/jp/ - Otaku Culture

LOOK AT HOW SMOOTH AND ROUND THEY ARE

Not when they are the size of multiple basketballs no.

big fat blonde tats

You've won the bet.

>>1372177
>>1372186

>>1372190
that's the best kind though

ah this is the most obvious troll I've ever seen

Yeah, this is disgusting.

only on figures.

sometimes.

It's an evolutionary trait to like big tits, it's the instinct to find a fertile mate.

So if you don't like big tits, you're mentally and evolutionarily deficient.

>>1372203
>>1372195
>>1372187
>I don't like women

>>1372200
>sometimes

>>1372213
>It's an evolutionary trait
actually it's entirely socially conditioned

large breasts have no bearing on how much milk a woman can provide, and there is very little to associate large breasts with a wast -> hip ratio, which is evolutionary and does express fertility to a limited extent (having an ideal waist to hip ratio could be anything from flat-chest to giant bazooka tits)

>>1372213
Evolution is a dead concept concerning humans, we pretty much don't have any need for it with our technology.

>>1372213
>>you're mentally and evolutionarily deficient.

welcome to 4chan, /jp/, newfag etc etc etc

Japan loves big tits

Their women have small tits

and believe me when I say this

It is the dream of all asian male or lesbian to one day marry a tall western woman

>>1372228
ignore my point just so you don't have to admit to being gay/retarded

>>1372235
I will say this, when a japanese girl has BIG natural tits, they are fucking amazing. Always. I don't care if they're fat or what either, their skin is always so smooth and nice.

>>1372239
I reject your point of view by proving your "evolutionary" instinct is useless.
If it's useless, not having it is fine and non retarded.

>>1372215
I do hate women. Remember, you're on /jp/ - Just Pedos.

>>1372250
>i love dudes

Evolution matters not for 2D.

>>1372249

That's definitely true. It does appear that nonSouthEast-Asian females have smoother skin and less body hair (inb4UNSHAVENlol)

>>1372186

What have you done to my Kooh?

>>1372262
well I forgot about that, usually asians seem to have really icky unshaven pubic hair. But most of the ones I'm thinking of don't show it off anyway.

>>1372268
upgrade to be very pretty and feminine

>>1372227

Social conditioning can be applied to evolution, being more appealing to the opposite sex results in increased chance of mating, producing offspring, etc.

>>1372186

Those aren't round.

>>1372269
But aside from pubic hair, they have much less and thinner bodyhair everywhere else

>>1372276
Actually, small tits used to be all the rage a while ago.
Big tits are only a fantasm for manchildren who want to remember sucking their mother's breasts.

>>1372301
small tits are for people who want to pretend they're fucking a little boy.

>>1372301
Use the google. Breast size and fertility are evolutionarily related; estrogen, which creates breasts, = fertility.
Big breasts = more estrogen = more fertile = higher chance of successful conception and presumably birth.

>>1372317
Little boys were all the rage back in ancient greece, my point stands.

>>1372317
If you're going to argue for huge boobs, could you at least have started with a real picture? It's not like anyone with boobs like that exists.

This reminds me of one of the women in my sign language class. She has absolutely enormous breasts, and when the teacher was signing to us to show how simple commands (sit, stand, jump) can just be signed through really intuitive motions, she refused to jump. So the teacher insisted, and she put an arm over her breasts to keep them from smacking her in the face when she jumped.

Explain how that's efficient evolution.

>>1372333
read >>1372327 faggot

humans evolved to have families. The men went out and killed things and protected the woman, while the woman was a care taker and meant to be fertile for giving birth.

>>1372327
Actually, not necessarily true. The size of breasts is also determined by genes, so pump anybody full of estrogen, and their breasts will stop growing after a certain point, man or woman.

>>1372333
refer to
>>1372327

It's not "efficient" evolution, it's that breasts flopping in face isn't that bad versus finding a mate that is more likely to conceive.

Big tits are for closet fat fetishists.

>>1372347
>>1372352
And what happens when the women actually have to get up and do something? Large breasts get in the way. Like it or not, pre-historic women did more than just sit around letting babies suckle all day.

>>1372177
>>1372268
Are you kidding, look at the size of those fucking things. LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THOSE FUCKING THINGS.
Jesus christ motherfucker, step back. They're fucking football tumors.

>>1372352
But if people like small breasts, then you'll be more likely to conceive while having small breasts.
I don't think anyone is going to find Lolo Ferrari hot.

>>1372366
YOU'RE NOT MORE LIKELY TO CONCEIVE WITH LARGE BREASTS, STOP ROYALLY FUCKING BIOLOGY IN THE ASS WITH A STRAP-ON.

>>1372375
I would, but I think you're missing the point of my post.

>>1372366
i think he's talking about how low estrogen levels affect ovulation so it's not that you wouldn't want to do it with them, it's something like that the lack of estrogen doesn't send a signal to the ovaries to produce an egg. so literally, can't conceive versus having sex. if you had sex with someone that had small breasts because of low estrogen levels, you would not produce offspring and continue in the gene pool.

>>1372361
More children + mild discomfort once an a while > less children just so a girl can feel good about herself when she jumps.

>>1372390
Actually, if memory serves, ovulation isn't based on estrogen, but a different hormone.

>>1372387
See >>1372375

>>1372387
Do you really need more children? The child mortality rate is rather low in developed countries. One or two is fine enough.

>>1372396
You're more likely to attract mates you retard.

It's like a peacock's feathers. The opposite gender sees those and think "HMMMM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MATE."

http://parenting.ivillage.com/ttc/ttcsigns/0,,midwife_3q3g,00.html

so no idea if this counts as a reputable source, but /jp/'s random "actually, ..."s aren't either. this doesn't have anything about breast size though

>>1372405
do you really want to suck dick you fat fuckin faggot.

>>1372425
But since most people don't like xbox breasts, you aren't more likely to attract mates.
So, no.

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/11791

I'd call this plausible.

>>1372425
True, but we're wondering why men would originally start to like big breasts as well.

>>1372441
/jp/ and other weeaboo affiliated sites do not count as "most people" as the people that think like you (I ONLY LIKE FLAT CHESTED GIRLS HAR HAR) are a minority

>>1372228
You know nothing about evolutionary theory.

>>1372177
That stuff is pig disgusting.

>>1372436
I can make completely baseless statements, too.

Enjoy fapping to healthy futanari, faggot.

>>1372452
why can't you just be satisfied with big soft things?

>>1372454
No, he's right about "most people" concerning breasts that are as large as the ones in the first couple images in this thread. Most men prefer decently large, firm breasts. Breasts larger than a person's head are significantly less popular.

>>1372466
I was honestly headed to /s/ from the main, but the pic from >>1372186 showed up in the recent images. Now I'm stuck here.

>>1372465
I WILL FAGGOT THEY BETTER HAVE BIG BREASTS

>>1372479
Don't forget cocks. You like huge cocks, don't you?

D is upper limit.

>>1372477
that's because 3D is pig realistic

2D is nice and idealized. Massive tits the size of a beachball won't be veiny or saggy.

>>1372463
Are you trying to say that such instincts still are meaningful ?
Or that modifications of our own body happen rather than us finding technical solutions ?

Aha! I posted a couple links but found a study backing everything up:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2004/05/14/100208.php

>>1372489
Look at the OP's picture. They clearly sag under the weight.

>>1372486
ONLY ON FUTA SOMETIMES

IM NOT GAY

>>1372483
Evolution is the change in allelic frequencies in response to selection over time. Selection still exists for humans, especially in the third world, so claiming that evolution has magically ceased to apply on human beings is quite retarded.

>>1372498
2D sag is hot realism

3D sag is pig disgusting

>>1372478
Who actually visits the main page of 4chan anymore? Oh, newfags, that's right.

>>1372501
Third world doesn't count as human, my point stands.

>>1372507
small, perky breasts > sagging breasts

2D or 3D.

>>1372496
Big breasts are based on genes, number one, and number two, I'm not going to trust anything that talks about science when it uses words for women such as "chick" and "babe".

>>1372512
if you honestly believe that you're retarded

Saito obviously doesn't go to /jp/, although you think he would with his love of tsunderes.

>>1372530
Trolls? On 4chan?

UNPOSSIBLE

>>1372530
He's pretty much right though, I'd bet most people here haven't seen front page in months.

>>1372526
big breasts > small breasts


you just want to pretend they're boys.

>>1372543
You just haven't gotten over your oedipus.
Small Breasts > Big Breasts.

I'm willing to suspend my love of DFC for Celes Chere.

>>1372541
Accidentally went to the FP, clicked on a board then said "WTF" when I saw a TOS.

>>1372530
Honestly. The front page of 4chan is an affront to all that is 4chan, and people that aren't newfags hate it so much they type the address of their board into their browser, or use frames. I'm of the former.

So, heya newfag.

No breasts* > Big breasts > Small breasts

*Only works if no pubic hair and age <12

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls.

>>1372512
Right. Because everyone can safely bookmark /b/ on every computer.

>>1372557
I've been coming here since before /z/ you stupid shit. Your cries of newfaggotry based on one simple behavior are retarded. Rather than citing any lack of knowledge that a legitimate newfag would have, you go for something completely arbitrary.

fag

The front page was better when it was just Dan's retarded pictures or MOOT DIED LOL

>>1372572
But herein lies the fun: knowing that I WIN.

>>1372575
I've been here since 2000 so shut up, newfag.

I like both flat and healthy.
But I prefer flat.

>>1372543
Boys have small breasts?

>>1372564
What? Which board, I gotta see this.

>>1372575
Only newfags bring out the "I've been here since *" argument. Newfag.

>>1372593
4chan has only been around since 2003.

>>1372573
Newfags would have to rely on bookmarks. True 4channers can type the URL to their board from memory.

>>1372607
That's what you think, newfag.

Wow, this thread didn't take long to degenerate to newfag shit.

>>1372610
Right but I'm not a real 4channer so it doesn't count

itt we make up rules to prove newfaggotry

HERE ILL DO IT ONLY NEWFAGS CALL PEOPLE NEWFAGS INCLUDING ME

I love breasts of all sizes, but its easier to love larger ones.

>>1372622
I think the last link posted pretty much said "raep" so this will have to die violently. In a fire.

PLEASE POST BIG TITS INSTEAD OF ARGUING OVER STUPID SHIT

>>1372639
>>1372639

>>1372639
How about loli instead?

>>1372659
no i dont WANT LOLI

I WANT HUMONGO TITTIES WHY DO YOU THINK I MOVED TO AMERICA

>>1372676
America invented the loli.

what i dont like about loli is that most of the time they're drawn to be "cute" instead of hot or sexy. Because most people that like loli think cute is sexy, when it's not. And they're the same ones that want to fuck their little sister.

>>1372685
I don't have a sister.

>>1372685
On a scale of 1 to 10, how arousing do you find this image?

>>1372676
>>1372685
Loli is superior, and yes, if I had a little sister, I'd probably want to fap to her. Cute is the fap material here. "Sexy" is stupid, and most normalfags use it to mean "I'd fuck her without ever learning her name, then forget her the next day." That's no fun, that's just stupid.

>>1372692
i don't think you don't not have a sister.

enjoy being alone.

>>1372659
/g/ is spammed with those evil things

MORE DEVELOPED WOMEN!
IN 2D/3D!

>>1372697
Oh god the triple negative, it hurts.

>>1372700
Fappability? 'Bout a 2/3. Cute, I-would-cuddle-the-fuck-out-of-her? 8/9.

>>1372708
Fuck you, gb2/s/ or /e/.

>>1372700
0

>>1372724
I take it you prefer men?

>>1372724
Obviously gay.

>>1372700
So cute. I'd slide her panties to the side, sit her on my lap and fuck her without stripping her any further.

>>1372700
maybe like a four.

not disgusted by it, it just isn't that hot by itself.

>>1372701
i think you're rather deluded and butthurt just because people use sexy to describe someone who they would like to fuck.

This is the ideal size. Anything bigger is just gross.

Generally though, when I say I like big breasts, I mean I like them big with respect to the rest of the girl's body. If a girl has this big, broad manchest then naturally she is going to have BIG TITZ to go along with it; that doesn't make it attractive.

Also, I think we can all agree that sticky-outy-ness is by far the most important dimension of the breasts. Pancake tits = gross.

>>1372738
NO

>>1372750
what if they were one centimeter larger?

YOU CANT JUST BE LIKE "THIS IS THE IDEAL SIZE, BUT THE INSTANT THEY GET A LTTLE BIT BIGGER, IT'S HORRIBLY NASTY" because that's stupid, there's gotta be a build up and a fall off to it, not an immediate drop off where THIS IS THE ONLY SIZE THAT IS APPRECIABLE NIGGER SHTI

>>1372750
I like flat as a pancake breasts.

>>1372750
I like washboard chests on my females. That's because I like my females at 9 years of age.

http://75.66.34.132/l/

>>1372748
The people who use sexy regularly are generally normalfaggots. Normalfags lead wasted lives, doing pointless tasks so they can buy the pointless items to keep up with their neighbours in pointless competition to achieve a pointless social standing in a pointless effort to win pointless recognition from pointless people. What's the point in living as a slave to the expectations of those around you? Of course, not everyone who uses the term sexy is normal, but most abnormal people use it quite rarely.

I like big tits. I also like small tits. I like everything. I like all of you too.

>>1372781
"Cute" is a much superior term. And almost all girls will appreciate being called "cute", this is not necessarily true with "sexy". Tell a loli she's "sexy" and she'll look at you funny.

>>1372765
I think he refers to a rapid decline on one size after a peak at that size, giving the appearance of a valley on a graph of size against likability; rather than meaning to imply that there is a discontinuity in such a graph.
For a better idea of what I mean, please refer to "A graph of how the attractiveness of a Japanese female varies with age", and view the area of rapid decline that occurs right after the "sweet spot".

>>1372765
Actually, it's funny that you would say that. I noticed that after I submitted it and just thought to myself "nobody is going to care enough to say something about that."

>>1372802
This is 4chan, we'll do or say anything to sound like retards. Including betting our sister she can't fit our dick in her mouth.

>>1372806
I have the more general one, but same concept.

>>1372781
So it's only pointless becuase they're normal and accepted by society?

I hate people like you. They're not living as slaves. They just grew up and developed like most people. They're not some horrible pointless soul just because they don't spend their lives wasting away in a basement fapping to loli and buying figurines.

You say their lives are pointless, as if yours isn't? It's more than likely that you and most people who like vehemently like loli are the types to live at home till you're 30 or be very unsuccessful or waste all your income on stupid jap shit or SOMETHING fucking stupid that generally people like you do.

Claiming someone's life is pointless, is in itself pointless. They do what they want, and you do what you want, but somehow they're worse off than you because they live simple lives that aren't mocked by society as a whole.

You're kind of a really gay dude.

>>1372770
>>1372780
By "pancake tits" I don't mean flat chest. I mean breasts that have circumference but no depth. Kind of like, you know, pancakes.

>>1372820
Why is there a slight bump around 24/30 ?

>>1372824
everyone that draws yukari makes her tits amazing. I want be suffocated by them.

>>1372826

Milf Modulus

>>1372826
That's the age that women get off their "OH GOD HORMONES" fling of bitchiness, but before they go into the "look like old whores" area. My own personal opinion.

>>1372826
have you ever met a teenager? they are way worse in every way than a 20-something.

Not that 20-something is anything special

>>1372825
They're worthless because they're unsuccessfull, mostly aren't millionnaires and don't live in a castle.

>>1372817
that "rapid decline" and that rapid assent right after two are rather disheartening.

>>1372835
nah, I don't usually see teenagers, I guess you're right.

>>1372826
Whoever originally made this image was a disgusting pervert, so it might not be accepted by all. It's hard to tell at such low levels of attractiveness, but I find it just drops and drops upon passing the Sweet Spot.

>>1372847
>assent.
You're kidding me?

>>1372847
Babies are ugly. Small children are more attractive.

>>1372847
I think it should hit the ascent around 4/5, personally. Before that, girls are too much just an extension of their parents. At about 6 they start getting SOME independence, as they spend time at school, and it peaks at 9-11, where they are pretty much their own person, no longer dependent upon their parents' guidance. Unfortunately this is RIGHT before they turn into ugly sluts, so you gotta hit the sweet spot quickly. That's why most pedos work up relationships with girls from when they're younger, so they can see that sweet spot coming.

>>1372852
plz forgiv ym bda spelin mistak i ma sry

>>1372861
it's okay, you're forgiven.
I can see you're already making some progress.

>>1372867
why are you so butthurt over something so stupid

>>1372877
Dunno, I just felt like being an ass and pointing that out, I don't really care.

Besides loli, I also like flat-chested teenagers/adults.
This girl for example, she's past 20.
Sadly, I know I'll never find any 3D girls who look like her. They do not exist.

Right before boobs and pubes

that's the sweet spot

4+. puberty is ಠ_ಠ

graph is pretty accurate imo, though I'd like to see a flat line after 12

The only time I really like flatchest or small perky breasts is if the girl has a MASSIVE ass. I mean I like giant tits with a big ass, but the perky tits are cute with the combination.

>>1372901
Nah, see, a huge ass on a girl with small tits just looks completely weird to me. Small breasts are only acceptable on a skinny girl.

Sure they do! Don't let things get you down anon.

>>1372916
I like it because of the contrast.

>>1372916

I also like girls that are flat all around.

>>1372781
>Normalfags lead wasted lives

Yeah you sure are accomplishing a lot by spending all your time on 4chan and Touhou.

>>1372956
The idea is that both are equally wasteful, so I might as well be wasting it an enjoyable way. Normalfags actually believe that they are accomplishing something, which is just odd.

I like them all.

>>1372825
Can I get a existentialist high five up in here

>>1372966
>The idea is that both are equally wasteful

They are the ones making your internet run, they are the ones producing your food while you are unemployed and wasting all your time on 4chan while your parents slave away day after day always believing that someday you will gain independence. People like you make me sick, your parents should have had a abortion, your a waste of sperm.

>>1372981
>your a waste of sperm.
At least I can spell, retard. You're the waste of sperm here, if after all the schooling you received you still can't tell the difference between the most basic of homonyms.

>>1372966
What of the Normalfags that have professions that actually accomplish something?
WHAT NOW!?

>>1372981
Really, nowadays, with technology, you only need a handful of people to keep everything up and running. Most workers just do paper-pushing and other menial tasks.

Fat titties are disgusting.

as for me, i am an ass man

>>1372966
You're so fucking deluded it's insane.

You're generalizing the thoughts of basically EVERYONE that doesn't live on /jp/ and touhou. Of course they're accomplishing something. They're going out and working out an existence. They're getting jobs, being productive to society, doing what they want (which according to you is just a lie because they don't buy figurines or some bullshit), getting married, having kids, etc.

But no, that's all terrible. If only we had a utopia where everyone was a basement dwelling virgin! SURELYthat will accomplish much more than the legions of normal people that pollute the world.

God you are gay as fuck

>>1372991
Not much of a normalfag then, are they? For someone to make a difference in society means that they've worked hard and are at least somewhat intelligent.

>>1372991
not >>1372966
but the idea is that it is impossible to accomplish anything in your life. Becoming king of the world is meaningless. If there is no way to accomplish anything, then the people who attempt to do so are just deluding themselves. They could be doing stuff actually enjoyable, as opposed to slaving at a job they hate to buy material goods, or contributing to society, or whatever they think 'accomplishing something' is.

>>1372981
1. You have no proof that we're all living in our parents basements.
2. Even if that was the situation, our parents would be leading inauthentic lives

>>1373009
>SURELYthat will accomplish much more than the legions of normal people that pollute the world.
You aren't reading. as >>1372966 , BOTH are equally wasteful. Basement dweller do not accomplish more than normals, normals do not accomplish more than basement dwellers; they simply tell themselves they are.

My dear, dear Anonymous. This thread is getting worse with every post. I order you to stop.

>>1373000
Oh man, you have so little real world experience

Enjoy your delusions

>>1373002

But all titties are made mostly out of fat.

>>1373030
And what category would the scientists, engineers, etc. fall into?

>>1373003
Well in my country its extremely normal to get a 5 year degree even if you com from shity family with low income.

>>1373034
Normals. You're missing the point. Whatever you think of as progress only has value because other people say it has value.

So tell me, when your life is over and you have built your empire, what of it? If you had to suffer to build it and never had a moments peace, was it still better than living a peaceful life that definitely amounted to nothing? You will die and you can't take your possessions with you, if you believe you go anywhere. Your empire will not last because everything will eventually turn to dust. Why do you think it is noble to suffer?

>>1373034
I'm not sure if they are normal.

>In 2005 roughly 35% of Americans worked in the professional/professional support or managerial field and 27% had a college degree.

Yeah, they are the minority. Not normal at all.

Idiots, can you stop letting yourselves be trolled so we can get back to talking about how wonderful flat chested little girls are?

>>1373045
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism

Stop being such an incredible faggot.

>you only need a handful of people to keep everything up and running.

Good, why don't you keep everything up and running? while the rest of us fap to hentai, good deal right? Typical selfish spoiled NEET.

As a masochist, I take pleasure in having no pleasure.
This thread is sucking, kill it.

>>1373053
What's your point?

>>1373045
What are you, 14 years old? This isn't some startling revelation.

>>1373055
I meant the smart people, obviously. I am too stupid. Derp.

>>1373053
Shut up, Sartre is shit.

>>1373045
>peaceful life that definitely amounted to nothing

Someone had to suffer and toil to give you your peaceful life.

>>1373017
So by you what all the Doctors, Architects Researchers and every fucking Engineer and so on does is meaningless?
...

>>1373064
>Sartre is shit.
behold, the internet!

/jp/ - Tits/Existentialism

>>1373063
Unlike most of human society, science and engineering are based on the idea that each of us is capable of evaluating evidence and thinking on our own. Each of us can do experiments, work out the reasoning, and determine the truth for ourselves.In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.

>>1373065
Are you sure? Are you sure that is not simply a result of the capitalist society we live in?

>>1373063
You're not stupid. Nobody here is. If you're unsuccessful it means you made poor choices or didn't work hard enough.

>>1373061
That you can find meaning in your life? ಠ_ಠ

>>1373064
So because you read one book by Sartre in your English Lit class you now think Existentialism sucks?
Hurm.

>>1373009
I don't call anyone with a job a normalfag. I refer to people who have a job, go out to nightclubs and copy everyone else in the vague hope they might be able to have sex with some ugly cumdumpster, then spend the next day bragging to their workfriends about how they scored with a hot chick, and devoting their whole existence to fitting in with people's expectations, and being too concerned with people's image of themselves to do the things they truly want. People who work 100 hour weeks so they can buy a huge house which they probably won't even have time to go home to most days. People who will refuse to educate themselves for fear of looking geeky. People who will watch drivel on TV and listen to crap, generic music so that they won't look odd when people discuss these things. People who go on social networking sites and friend with 100 people they don't even know in real life just so that they can keep score with similarly empty-hearted people they don't even care for, but cling to out of loneliness and a desire not to be seen as friendless.
Read/watch Death of a Salesman for an insight into just how hollow normalfaggotry is. Even if it was written by a commie, it makes some good insights into human nature, even if the author mistook them as flaws of capitalism, and not just the stupidity of the mass ranks of humanity. People will accept any chains if the people around them have them too.
A starving man would be happier if you gave him half a loaf of bread, and his neighbors each a quarter, than if you him and everyone on his street a whole loaf of bread. People slave away at pointless jobs so they can buy pointless things so they can feel superior.

>>1373078
Fine explain how to get electricity, water, food, and entertainment without causing yourself or anyone else to work. Your computer just appeared by magic right?

>>1373046
In Americans
Americans sucks in that if you didn't know

>>1373083
Not really, I just happen to have philosophy in my studies.
I just like trolling culture.

>>1373079
Nah, I legitimately have a lower IQ than average. Like 90 or so.

>>1373089
Hit the nail right on the head.

>>1373009
Plenty of people have jobs, go to university etc. on /jp/.

But the thing is with normalfags, they won't accept you as part of their fold unless you do all the stuff >>1373089 mentioned.

It really isn't as simple as being a 'productive member of society', you can do that and still not be a normalfag because of the asinine standards society has towards dating and things like that.

>>1373098
You lie.

>>1373094
Fair enough.

This mustache should be enough to convince everyone that Existentialism is fucking wonderful.

>>1373094

More like trolling couture.

>>1373089
I dunno, working 100 hour weeks is pretty respectable by my book.
I always have respect for people who work towards goals.

>>1373104
Then Marxism should be fucking awesome, given Marx's beard.

>>1373094
u type liek a 12 yr olds

>>1373098
IQ is just a number it is meaningless...

>>1373116
Mustaches > Beards

Yeah, I went there.

>>1373114
It most certainly isn't.

>>1373114
Says the person with a low IQ.

IQ shouldn't be followed by the letter, but it is a good guideline.

>>1373110
tank u, i didnt hop to typ so wel becauz im only 11

God I hate you existentialism faggots, have fun writing poems while you bag my groceries.

>>1373075
Yes. I do not believe in progress. Just out of curiousity, could you define what you think of as progress, or whatever else gives an engineer purpose, and why it's so great?

>>1373092
Who said anything about a totally sedentary life? I'm talking about slaving away to buy material shit for whatever stupid contrived reason. It'd be foolish to think one could live without meeting their physical needs through their own power. I am not a basement dweller. I am a senior in uni. My plan is to get a job so that I can feed myself. If it pays enough for me to retire early, I will. Why would I want to work harder for more money? I do not have the foolish thought that buying things will make me happy. I also do not have the foolish through that any work I do will contribute to whatever the fuck people think 'progress' is. And I am not talking about some meaningless paper-pushing job, even if I literally was the king of the earth, it would still be meaningless

>>1373118
You've got it all thought out, haven't you ?

>>1373126
>I do not believe in progress
HAHA
OH WOW

>>1373127
8/10

So soon? We just met.

>>1373127
Have fun feeling intelligent while filing my tax reports.

>>1373132
I don't. Mind defining your idea of progress so you can try to convince me that it's so great?

>>1373119
A truly intelligent person would not let a number decide their lives. A truly intelligent person would realize that there is no true test to determine intelligence.

>>1373119
Actually, I don't believe in this intellectual quotient stuff.
It is; after all, an exam where you are tested to see if your logic is the same as that of the test's creators.
It is an arbitrary measure in my opinion.

>>1373130
Yep.

Why do I like Japan? This guy's hair.

>>1373142
A truly intelligent person recognizes a strong correlation.

>>1373080
Every one qualified member hels.
Even one more helps, it thinnis out the workload and it raises the probability of a breakthru.

>>1372557
You mean you dont have this?

>>1373155
>Futaba
ಠ_ಠ

>>1373142
However, a truly intelligent person would also recognize the trend and understand that consistent results would show a certain aptitude for whatever is being tested.

Did you not get accepted into a gifted program when you were a kid? Cry more.

>>1373157

>>1373138
I will make 5 times more than you by filing tax reports. Enjoy your spending hours working just to keep your apartment, Hope existentialism was worth it.

>>1373142
A truly intelligent person would score highly in such tests anyway, and realise that whilst intelligence cannot be measured absolutely by a single variable or by tests, very good approximations are made as to it by IQ testing. I wouldn't say with any confidence that a man with an IQ of 130 was better than one of 125, but I can almost certainly say he is more worthwhile than a man with an IQ of 75.

>>1373150
If it's an arbitrary measure then all the strong correlations (and there are more, not just the ones I listed) are one big coincidence, and the probability of it being a big coincidence is so infantessimaly small we can effectively discount it.

>>1373139
Why don't you just take the common social definition and tell me why that doesn't work?

>>1373166
I don't think you already are a millionnaire, I make more money keeping my money in banks than you do working.

>>1373150
Something being arbitrary doesn't mean it's useless.

>>1373176
However, it's less indicative.
Mensa really is a club for idiots with an overinflated sense of importance.

>>1373166
I probably won't earn as much as you filing tax reports, but I'll certainly enjoy myself working with the VLHC when it gets built, should everything proceed according to plan with my studies.

>>1373171
I already did in >>1373045

So why is it so great? You "accomplished" something... and then you die. Don't you think it would be better to have enjoyed your life?

>>1373189
That post has nothing to do with progress.

Here, let me help you out. Over time, lifespans increase.

>>1373189
But if you've had pleasure accomplishing something ?
Why do you think doing nothing is the only way to have pleasure ?

>>1373168
>>1373169
They thought Einstein was retarded because he started talking at 3 and dropped out of Highschool when he was 15.

>>1373189
>Don't you think it would be better to have enjoyed your life?

You don't understand, your enjoyment comes from the suffering of others.

>>1373198
Einstein is an outlier. That doesn't affect the strong correlation.

>>1373197
I didn't. Like I said, expecting you to literally do nothing would just be foolish because you couldn't meet your basic physical needs.

I am not saying people to be sedentary.
I am saying that they should enjoy their lives.

If a man works as a carpenter and enjoys his work, enjoys creating furniture or whatever, then that's great.
If another man works as a carpenter, is successful and makes a lot of money, but hates the actual work and is only doing it for the money, then he is a fool who is wasting his life.

>>1373198
Except Einstein had a fucking high IQ....

Anyway, I accept I'm not a genius, my IQ is mid 130s - I could never make it big as a scientist, instead I've chosen to do something I really enjoy (History).

As should everyone, without belittling each other.

post tits or gtfo

this is why we can't have nice things

>>1373198
If IQ testing had been around when he was young, they would have realised otherwise. Einsteins IQ has been estimated at about 130, 140. The reason for him being perceived as such at an early age was the fact that he was poor at expressing himself. Exactly the problem we will have if we ignore IQ tests and instead rely on whatever touchy-feely magic you have in your own imaginary worlds.

>>1373207
That just enhances the enjoyment. Mwa ha ha.

Hey dumass if it whasen't for progress you wouldn't be typing on that fancy computer of yours true this fancy internet of ours.

>>1373214
You don't have to have an iq of 150 to be a scientist, that kind of mentality is stupid.

>>1373226

Existentialism is just an excuse to rationalize failures and preserve the ego.

Many students do this, they spend the night before an exam partying, if they ace the test its "FUCK YEAH IMA FREAKIN GENIUS", if they fail they its "O I would have aced it if I studied, I did pretty good compared to the other people who didn't study, ima freaking genius"

>>1373226
>dumass

Right. what's your point? If I had this mindset in a period without computers, I'd be reading books all the time. If progress didn't even create a written language, I'd be telling/listening to stories with people or going hunting. Using the computer is just how I've chosen to occupy myself in this society. If I never had it in the first place I obviously wouldn't complain about it's absence.

>>1373214
>Except Einstein had a fucking high IQ....

Einstein never took a IQ test....

>>1373230
You dont, but could I have ever made it big? No.

I'm happy. I don't need to be famous. Fucktards who think they need to be rich and famous are the ones bringing society down. Those people and celebrities of course.

>>1373242
>I do not believe in progress
>If progress didn't even create a written language
wat

What about idiot savants? who score around 60-70 on iq tests?

>>1373244
Who cares? He was the greatest lateral thinker of our time. It's obvious he would have scored 180+

Hooray! We've hit the auto-sage limit!

>>1373269
We did 63 posts ago.

>>1373260
a) they usually excel at menial tasks, not tasks that require lateral thinking.

b) we are discussing general trends.

>>1373257
should I have put quotes around progress? "Progress" created skyscrapers. "Progress" created computers. "Progress" creates lots of things. None of which I believe have any meaning, and I do not believe that there is any kind of ultimate goal that could be reached by "progress". That's what I meant by not believing in progress.

>>1373244
Typical Athens blowing shit out of his ass as usual...

>>1373260
IQ is a statistical distribution. Learn the definition of an outlier.

>>1373257
He just divided by 0

>>1373119
Oh my god, 25% of the population of the United States are retards.

>>1373279
So you don't believe that progress has meaning. How about you just fucking say that, rather than "I don't believe in progress."?

>>1373260
They rarely achieve anything useful in any science owing to the fact that their minds are crippled. They are at best capable of number crunching for an audience, and it is difficult to get most to even do a job in unimaginative finance branches.

If IQ tests are absolute then how come someone iq jumps after taking the test 50 times?

>>1373288
Only 25% you say? I'd say at least 95%, and I'm not sure about all of the 5% that remain. The average person is incredibly retarded.

>>1373318
>If IQ tests are absolute
No one in this thread has said this, and the answer to the second part of your question is pretty fucking obvious.

>>1373296
Because, from my understanding, progress as society sees it is working towards some goal over hundreds or thousands of generations. I do not believe that the goal exists, and the result of attempting to achieve this goal is stuff like computers and probably even a written language. Since I do not believe in the supposed outcome of progress, I do not believe in progress. But, whatever, I'll say 'progress has no meaning' from now on in this thread.

And could someone give me a fucking definition of progress for me to work from? None of this 'go by what you already know' shit.

>>1373327
so that means IQ tests tests how well you take IQ tests. Therefore it is meaningless.

>>1373279
Progress creates more than that, for one medicine if you didn't know.

>>1373260
That's not an idiot.

That's mentally retarded.

>>1373279
Why don't people like you just fucking kill yourselves? I hate people like you.

"I don't like X THING WHICH IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT TO HUMANITY AND PROBABLY WHY IM ALIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE."

God, just die already

>>1373318
No-one is saying IQ tests are absolute, only that they are phenomenally accurate under ordinary circumstances. You will improve slightly by doing many of them as you adapt to become better at the problem, but they are a hell of a lot better than other methods such as interviews. Did you know that a sample of people's judgments of a persons suitability for a job based on being shown a video of an interview correlated almost perfectly with the views of another group being shown a 1 second clip of a video, and very poorly with actual performance. Such crass techniques tend to be based more on a person's appearance than their intelligence and capability.

Amazing how everybody that posts on 4chan claims to have 120+ IQ.

>>1373328
>Because, from my understanding, progress as society sees it is working towards some goal over hundreds or thousands of generations.
Haha, oh wow.

>I do not believe that the goal exists
Considering a goal is an idea rather than a thing, how can an idea not exist?

>fucking definition of progress
You could try getting out a dictionary!

>>1373318
God you are fucking stupid.

>>1373379
Dude, blink was pretty fucking awesome.

"having a high IQ is merely a measure of one's ability to do well at IQ tests"

>>1373365
Your IQ mustn't be pretty high then. Number of doctors per person is a measure of the number of doctors per person. Therefore it is meaningless in approximating the life expectancy of someone in that country. lolol look at Cuba!

>>1373381
Name something that is incredibly important to humanity that is not incredibly important to humanity because they have created a dependence upon it. Things like architecture, a written language, computers, cars, etc fall into that category, by the way. Medicine is a pretty good answer though.

>>1373412
And medicine depends on things like computer to improve oh god how are you this fucking stupid

Nice one, op! Hope to see you soon.

>>1373407
Which happens to have a strong correlation to a large number of other things.

Anything else?

>>1373279
Do you believe anything has any meaning at all, or are you just some Nihilist?

>>1373406
Giving someone a score based on their ability to fill in blanks to common phrases and naming animals does not = intelligence.

>>1373426
Theres a correlation between shark attacks and ice cream too. Correlation != Causation.

>>1373412
>>1373412
YOU ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED.

MAN HAS CREATED A DEPENDANCE ON ALL OF THOSE THINGS, INCLUDING MEDICINE FOR A REASON: THEY MAKE LIFE EASIER.

WHY ARE YOU FUCKING SAYING THESE THINGS? THEY'RE STUPID. JUST FUCKING KILL YOURSELF. YOU HATE PROGRESS AND YOU HATE THINGS THAT COME FROM PROGRESS, SO WHY ARE YOU FUCKING USING COMPUTERS? WHY ARE YOU USING A WRITTEN LANGUAGE? YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM BECAUSE THEY CAME FROM PROGRESS.

YOU ARE SO INCOMPREHENSIBLY RETARDED I CANNOT BELIEVE IT. HOW DO YO UMANAGE TO FUNCTION?

JESUS CHRIST

>>1373438
>fill in blanks to common phrases
>naming animals
Someone hasn't actually taken an IQ test.

>>1373438
You seem to have confused IQ tests with general knowledge tests. They are two VERY different things. You might as well try and claim that IQ tests ask you who won the latest pop contest.

>>1373393
The point was so that I would know what you thought of progress. Since you suggusted the dictionary I'm sure this will be fine.

developmental activity in science, technology, etc., esp. with reference to the commercial opportunities created thereby or to the promotion of the material well-being of the public through the goods, techniques, or facilities created.

>Considering a goal is an idea rather than a thing, how can an idea not exist?
Should I have said unattainable? Would that have been better?

>>Because, from my understanding, progress as society sees it is working towards some goal over hundreds or thousands of generations.
>Haha, oh wow.
if you take a generation to be 30 years, 100 generations would be 3000 years. I'm sure civilization has been around at least that long. For thousands, that is in the future. You have society trying to reach this goal that is unattainable goal. Do you think they plan to just stop after a few thousand years and redirect themselves if they haven't reached this goal by then?

>>1373438
if someone does good on an IQ test, it is INCREDIBLY likely that they are what most people would consider smart or intelligent.

And saying "oh what if he took it 50 times" is not a valid point.

>>1373447
Did I ever say it was causation?

We're talking about a very strong correlation here, meaning we can use it to usefully generalize. I never said "A high IQ causes people to earn more money," but "In general, people with a high IQ will earn more money."

>>1373459
>>1373459
>>1373279
>>1373242
you are THE definition of a "pseudo intellectual"

Your points are useless, this argument is meaningless, and I'm led to believe your just some "EMO DARK XX" faggot because only that type of person would talk bad about progress.

"Yeah all these things that make life easy? They're terrible."

fuck you

>>1373429
Enjoying life. To me, the meaning of life is to enjoy life, not to build a better society or anything like that.

>>1373454
The point is that the people who decided to build all these things were fools. They strived for progress when they should have been actually enjoying their lives. Why wouldn't I take advantage of my current situation?

Tell me, is your life really easier with all these 'modern conveniences'? It's certainly more complicated and indirect. Instead of farming, gathering, or hunting to feed yourself, you do desk work. Why is being so indirect easier?


By the way, I find it extremely humorous that I'm telling people they should go out and enjoy their lives, and getting flamed for it.

>>1373456
Actually I have, maybe if you had taken an IQ test as a child you would have remembered bullshit like name an animal for ever letter of the alphabet, rearrange these words to make new words, and filling in blanks to sentences.

>>1373459
Let's start here.
>Should I have said unattainable? Would that have been better?
The goal of progress is unattainable.
Then here:
>Since I do not believe in the supposed outcome of progress, I do not believe in progress.
The goal of progress is unattainable, therefore progress is unattainable.
Finally, here:
>Medicine is a pretty good answer though.
Progress has shown itself to be obtainable in creating things that make our lives quantifiably better.

You're an idiot.

>>1373488
>They strived for progress when they should have been actually enjoying their lives.
I cannot believe people are honestly this stupid.

>>1373490
I don't think we were ever talking about IQ tests for children.

>>1373490
Those weren't IQ tests. Those would have been tests to probe language development specifically. IQ tests are designed NOT to test what is "common knowledge" such as common phrases. At most you'll get a sentence with multiple choices for a blank where only one of the choices will give a correctly constructed sentence; to test that you have an intuitive grasp of language, not memorizing facts by rote.

>>1373526
Between knowing what you're talking about and posting delicious loli, you are officially my favorite person Anonymous.

>>1373500
I am saying that any serious attempt to work for progress results in a unenjoyable life. I do not believe that even medicine is critical to human life, and just about everything else that I've mentioned is just worthless. I'm sure there are several other examples of things resulting from progress that even I can't complain about. But trying to work for this goal is foolish because it is completely unattainable, no matter how hard everyone works, and no matter how long they work (again, over multiple generations).

I am simply basing this on my belief that a life that is not enjoyed is wasted.

>>1373488
You haven't said to enjoy your life until just now. You said stupid bullshit about how a convenience such as transportation and buildings that don't collapse are bad.

Life 2000 years ago was SHIT. THATS WHY WE DONT LIVE LIKE THAT ANYMORE YOU STUPID fAGGOT.

We didn't have indoor plumming. People died from the smallest wounds just because of infection. If you broke a leg it was likely you'd be crippled for the rest of your life. Working a farm is HARD FUCKING WORK if you have no machinery to help. Entire villages could be destroyed by something as simple as a small fire from a bolt of lightning because they did not have people who's job it was to prevent such things.

I'm convinced you're retarded.

>>1373516
No but I am using them to point out how unintelligent it is to judge someones intelligence on such a obviously biased test. Adult tests are even more biased.

>>1373488
You don't think some people might actually find, oooh I don't know, thinking for themselves enjoyable? What do you find a fun life? Watching TV, playing VNs all day long? Those of us who have brains actually enjoy putting them to use; people don't go into research just to make ends meet. We love what we do.

>>1373535
Oh christ, I should have just called you fucking stupid psuedo-intellectual and left it at that.

Your beliefs are so transparently stupid that it hurts to read them.

>>1373526
Go to your a kindergarten guidance counselor and ask them about IQ testing. Look at some of the questions before spewing bullshit.

>>1373533
I'm afraid that I will have to leave now though, as it is 2 in the morning here and I am so very tired.
Hopefully I'll still be able to post in the morning though.

>>1373554
>Those of us who have brains actually enjoy putting them to use; people don't go into research just to make ends meet. We love what we do.
This. So much this.

It may be fucking painful and not enjoyable to do 40 hours of homework a week, but I do it so I can do something I love: fucking engineering, god damn.

>>1373537
Actually, I said it in my very first post, in >>1373017

>>1373554
Mentioned that as well in my analogy about the carpenter who enjoys his work.

I am not complaining about the results of progress as much as the foolishness of working towards the goal behind progress. I consider most of the them useless, but again, if they're there I'm going to take advantage of them. I am saying that people should try to enjoy their fucking lives instead of trying to amount to something.

>>1373585
THIS JUST IN

PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF ENJOYMENT AS YOU

MORE AT 11

BUT FIRST, SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK MENIAL JOBS THEY DON'T ENJOY BECAUSE THEY FUCKING HAVE TO TO MAKE A LIVING

LATER, WE LEARN THAT PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY ENJOY IN THE PRESENT CAN POTENTIALLY CAUSE THEM TO DO THINGS THEY DON'T ENJOY IN THE FUTURE

BACK TO YOU TIM