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also I fucking suck at making threads

>>13584051
I'm glad you did, I didn't want to be the one.

>>13584074
Putting you are waifu in the OP is worth it

Should I be worried about what bait I use when fishing if my level is low?
Also, to answer the anon from last thread, I can sell stolen goods to any npc for the same ammount and the log says it counts towards the thief guild's quota, so it's either broken or buggy.

Wow, the Smash Tonfa is pretty good. It actually makes up for the damage I lose from Two Hand, and I have Two Hand at almost level 200.

>>13584049
Gee, Thanks for breaking my almost 200 win streak at the arena last night, Nyaruko!

>>13584199

How does travelling work? Do I get the experience upon entering a town after walking a certain distance on the world map? Does time play a factor in it?

>>13584347
Fairly sure it's just distance, and you get nothing at all if it's not far enough.

>>13584151
Use low level bait when your fishing skill is low, use high level bait when your fishing skill is high.

>>13584347
300 or more miles, time doesn't matter.

>>13584151
I usually buy 10 baits, use them up then go with the next tier until I reach the last one.
Unless you're fishing for likes on Ehekatl-book. In that case just use water flee until you're done.

>>13584566
My max faith just can't keep up with all this fish

>>13584587
Look for gear that makes you pious. I suggest taking down hermit crabs for the unknown shell.

So, how well does Two Hand stack up to other stuff in terms of damage? I'm starting to wonder if it's the weakest option.

>>13584174
Thank you for letting me know this existed.
If I get multiple items with chance of extra attack as a warrior will they all stack?
Because I intended to.

>>13584632
From what I hear it isn't that great.
I just drank my first set of potential potions and this is what I am looking like right now.
I am holding a lot of claws on top of those four weapons, I should drop one for another weapon soon.

>>13584650

They stack in a weird way. For example, I play as a Claymore, so I only get bonus attacks with extra equipment. With the Gemini, I get a chance of an extra melee attack. With the Gemini and Twin Edge, it gives me a chance to attack up to 4 times, even with only one weapon.

>>13584625
I did, but fish are so easy to get it's still ridiculously easy to cap

>>13584684
Can't decide who is easier to please. The kitty or that bitch Itz. Who knows what he's doing with all the rods...

>>13584663

Yeah, might be true. I have all this strength, but I feel like maybe I'm still not strong enough. I need to hit harder.

>>13584708
My hit chance has never really been an issue.
With eye of mind being my top skill just behind tactics I was able to clear the beast fort with ease a few levels ago.
level 100 enemies give me some trouble sometimes but anything below that is pretty easy for me.

>>13584700
well I don't have to go through the trouble of buying / finding the rods, I just afk fish, so imo it's the kitty.

>>13584737
Whenever I decide to level carpentry I end up making 100+ rods.

>>13584737
Yeah but making a bunch of rods and buying them from 3 goods vendors in my home made Itz max out in just half game day and in like 10 minutes real time.
I guess with a super lure Ehekatl would be the fastest though.

>>13584741
When ever I decide to fill back my charges that I use for my Mana rod I could buy about two and a half pages of rods.

>>13584708
Well that was easier than I thought it was going to be.
My scythe skill is shit so hopefully I can get another good short sword.

>>13584728

Yeah, now I feel a bit sad. Multiplier is lower, but that's only because my Martial Arts is only at 32.

>>13584783
Opatos is pretty quick too, since he takes junk stones.

>>13585071
That takes a lot of planning ahead, though; junk stones are common for an in-game item but their farming potential is a lot lower than plant offerings, fish, or manufacturable items. I start hoarding offerable, nonperishable items on day 1, and I'd almost say that stone offerings are the most annoying because you have to save up for both jure and opatos.

>>13585122
Actually Opatos and Jure are quicker than Ehekatl.
You just strip mine the tunnel in larna or Lesimas. Or if you want them intact, any cave type dungeon works.

Hell, I did Opatos and Jure together and it took half of the first level in Larna to gain enough gems.

>>13584632
2hand is good early game for the extra accuracy, because you can't hit shit early game. It used to be very good later game because it didn't fuck with spells, but tonfas obsoleted it.

>>13585240

I guess my only option now is to find a way to get Jure's huge ass sword. Too bad I have no chance in hell of killing her now.

>>13585240
If you think about it, it does fuck with casting chance.
Optimally you want the heaviest weapon for more damage which can bring your total equipment weight over 15s. So you will most likely be rocking medium armor.

>>13585264
Medium casting penalty isn't that bad for a melee character.
Besides all my gear is pretty light and I am at 24.6 equip weight with dual wielding.

>>13585264

I've been able to make it with light armor, but then again I've been using the Claymore, which is light for a 2h weapon. That'll definitely change when I get Housenka or Grandel though.

>tfw constant ayylmao infestation
I'll never be pure again.

Apparently making yourself blind by potion of blindness stops animations from playing out. Pretty handy for nuking spirits with meteor without waiting a minute for everything to die. Is there another way to do this without having to save up blindness potions?

>>13585474
>Not equipping both you and all your pets with prevents aliens equipment.

>>13585679

Speaking of that, it's hard to find nice equipment. Most artifacts are great, but I always have trouble finding stuff that makes you immune to blind and sleep. On the other hand, I'm drowning in magic and fire resist stuff.

>>13585724
I mostly just look for DV, hit chance, damage, and resistances.
Aliens are a minor nuisance.

>>13585679
Wasting equipment slots on something that can be trivially solved by a stack of potions is bad play, anon. By the time death means anything, poison won't kill you.

>>13585767

That's true, I mostly just keep around some sulfuric for aliens. Still, I'm decked out in artifacts, only exceptions are my back, girdle, shoes and ammo. I have no use for the Wing of Vesda since I already have fire resist, none of the girdles give blind or sleep immunity and shoes because Seven League Boots.

>>13585474
just quaff some damn sulfuric acid or poison or dye

>>13585817
Then I have to give some to my pet, then I have to dismount, then I have to chase down my mount to give her some, then I have to mount again.
I'll take the aliens.

>>13585823
just throw em man

>>13585823
shift+G, numberpad 5 to give things to your pet

>>13585823
shift+g, numberpad 5 to give things to your mount

>>13585626
hit yourself with chaos dart until you get blinded

They really made choosing later weapons difficult. I finally get the Dragon Slayer, it does more damage than what I have now but I still don't know if I want to use it for anything besides gods and dragons.

Is there something that determines how much gold a pet requires to get training?
I have two pets, but one gets significantly more trainer visits out of the same amount of gold and I don't see what the difference is.

>>13586813
Oops, I'm stupid and missed the little bit about it on the wiki's Ally page. 500 gp/level.

Man, why did this armor have to have this one specific flaw? I really want the sleep negation but the idea of losing even a bit of damage hurts.

How do I curse food or potions? I want to curse some forbidden meat for reasons, but I can't figure it out. I dropped all my equips except a curse scroll and the meat, yet no cursing took place.

>>13586924
Do you have the objet of heart? It might not be that big of a penalty.

>>13586931
If you took the feat that protects you from curses ("exorcism", I think) it might be very difficult.

>>13586943

I think I left it at home. I checked myself, it seems like a penalty of 1 which isn't so bad. I just remembered that my shoes negate sleep, but they aren't my seven league boots. So I guess now the choice is boots and new back, or keep things the same.

>>13586960
...or just find another piece of equip that improves two-hand by the same amount, should be relatively easy.

>>13586965

My girdle already increases it by more, that's not really the issue now. I don't really need the sleep negation unless I'm using seven league boots, but I'm at the point where I travel quickly without them, and I haven't found a pair that are miracle or godly yet.

>>13586989
seven league boots have a +15 bonus to speed hidden in them too. Just something to keep in mind.

>>13586994

Yeah, that's pretty nice. The shoes have huge Nether resist though, which I'm lacking in. I wonder if that's actually important though.

>>13587027
"Little" resist is still a 50% reduction in damage.
Basically, even a tiny bit of resist makes an incredible difference. So filling in holes in resistances can really pay off.

>>13587045

Well, that's good then. The only things I don't have any resist in so far are nerve and poison, and I'm not as worried about them currently.

>>13587055
Don't get poison resist, get the effect that negates poison instead.

>>13587090

Well, I'm wearing the War Suit right now, so I don't need to worry about that. Paralysis resist is nice too, since that's the scariest part of nerve damage.

>>13586813
If you're on 1.42 or later version, their training cost depends on ini. For ini A/B formula is something like (Ax8 + Bx10)/2.

So I'm new at this game and have blown seven hours on this in a single setting, without backing up saves or anything. Now I'm basically dead at the keyboard, but I wanted to get just a little more done before going to sleep.

I just accidentally picked up my storage house full of all of my not-furniture shit. I don't seem to have one in my inventory and I'm broke. Did I just fuck myself over completely or will that stuff be saved in a new storage house? Or does it magically appear in my home or something?

Yes, I know it asked for a confirmation. I did not mean to accept, I hit things without thinking.

>>13587437
Ah, that would explain it. My new guy has pretty high INI.

>>13587476
If by storage house you mean those from the deed titled "storage house," I'm afraid you're solidly fucked. All storage houses are separate, plonking down a new deed will just give you a fresh one.

>>13587499

Yes. Yes I do.

Well I feel completely retarded now. Wish this automatically kept backups of saves for me so I could've loaded the previous one after alt f4'n out of that. Good thing I'm only 20, so it's not like I had anything really important to lose besides a few unique cards and figures for the museum I was getting ready to open.

>>13587476
How do you "pick up" a storage house? Don't you need a deed of removal deed?

>>13587550
The deed of removal deed doesn't actually remove plots, it moves your house to the location you use it at. Go figure.
You can remove plots by pressing 'g' while over them on the world map.

>>13587550

It doesn't need a removal deed, but it should. Hit 0 or g. Looks like removal deeds are only to move your house.

>>13587541
If you alt-f4'd before the game saved again, you should still be ok as the game resumes the last save. But remember: then you savescum, god kills a kittygirl.

>>13587712
Good, bunnygirls are where it's at.

Is there any way to reset the "empty world tile" that is left when you remove a placed building back to its original tile? I made NT really ugly by putting down some ill-conceived buildings and tearing them up later and I want to pretend that it never happened.

>>13587842
I think they should go away when the random dungeons reset. If you've earned the Statue of Opatos, using it forces that to happen.

When I cast speed my speed goes down.
Also where the hell is this?

>>13588617
One square east one south from the jail.

>>13588631
Oh that makes sense.
I didn't think a building wouldn't show up so I was just looking for an empty space beneath a mountain surrounded by forests.

>>13588617
You are riding. When you cast speed your pet's speed goes up and your riding skill can't keep up with it.

>>13585811
You can never have enough fire resist. I have Superb resistance and I still take around 65k damage from Cthugha in awakened dungeons

>>13586931
Keep your cursed bottles of water. Don't bless that shit.

>>13588705
When I cast speed on my pet with 50 less speed than my mount while mounted my speed doesn't increase either.
Is it because the speed really gets that high?
I only have 35 riding skill I guess.
Wiki says pets need more strength to be ridden well.

>>13584151

start using grasshoppers at level 30, 100 for ladybugs, 160/180 for dragonflies, 250/300 for beetles

>>13588640
those little yellow circles that are lighter than the rest of the grass/etc are buildings, for future reference.

>>13588864
I use beetles after fishing 30 with the lucky dagger. I do get junk half the time but the the other half is genuine fish with a few whales mixed in.

Why the hell are small medals really hard to grind or am I just doing something wrong? I just rush tons of dungeons that's it along with some medals from Wizard's Harvest. I can only get 600+ medals in a 350 hr gameplay and yet I saw that certain anon with a char named Kai (?) at 1400+ speed at 180hr+ gameplay? What the fuck? That's 4500 medals for 600 speed disregarding nearly irrelevant factors like bottle of speed uppers and eating shoes etc.

>>13588901
You can trade AP for speed you know.

>>13588906

That's already taking into account the 800 speed cap that you can gain from AP (800+600~=1400+speed)

>>13588887

I assumed the anon wants to maximize his gains and not waste money.

>>13586931

Drop all of your items too except for the meat and use a cursed scroll of uncurse, not a curse scroll. And like that other anon said, keep your cursed bottle of waters in a rack.

>>13585779

>wasting enchantment slot to be a permavirgin
>wasting

>>13588901
He was rushing the bosses, forsaking everything else.
Doing dungeons by exploring/killing/grabbing everything is way more time-consuming.

What should I be using my energy crystal on?

So what's stopping me from hitting the meshera plant for an hour to train skills?

>>13589047
nothing really, except your plummeting potential

>>13587712
>But remember: then you savescum, god kills a kittygirl.

I don't want to be the reason a catgirl dies... But it doesn't matter I guess. It saved right after I did it. When I load up I'm standing there and the building is gone. So if I do savescum I'll be throwing away seven hours of work, which I don't think would still count as savescumming.

Gonna backup my current file, replace it with the old, and see the damages of what I trashed.

>>13589107

Figure and card of mad scientist and Icolle the biologist, as well as an Unknown Shell are the big things. Acceptable losses, maybe I'll find the scientist as a dungeon boss and not have to waste wishes on those items. How many times have you guys seen him spawn as one?

>>13589159
Mad scientist spawns once per playthrought, but also may appear as a boss in the void. Icolle - just go back and kill him, no problems. Unknown shell also may drop again, tho it's drop rate a bit lowish.

>>13589218

Yeah, just got another Unknown Shell. Not quite as good as the first, but still nice. So the big issue now is the scientist. I'll get it eventually though, one way or another. Thanks though, the wiki made it sound like he could show up as a low level dungeon boss or something, it doesn't specify showing in the void.

Still going to spam a few of the lowest levels I can find. My pets and I are doing horrible with stuff our level, so maybe I can get better gear and train combat skills or something while l find books to get into the mages guild so I can stop being the world's worst wizard.

>>13588901
Idk what you're doing wrong anon. I'm a little over 200 hours in and have gotten well over a 1000 medals, and I don't boss-rush through dungeons.

Man, at this point I feel like any enemy can end up with any equipment. I just got the Ether Dagger from a clown.

Anyone have experience with the Black Cat pet? How's the licking feature?

>>13588864
Oh man that's really fucking steep, thanks anon.

>>13589813
In my (very limited/noobish) experience the Black Cat was alright, nothing too special, it survived pretty well for me due to sheer dodging. However, its licking ability did not really seem to impact my loot.

Well, I'm not sure exactly what to do now that I've finished as much of the main quest as I can. Guess I'll grind for AP.

>>13589813
An excellent thief pet and her abilities can be useful. Touch of insanity is quite nice.
The licking feature is more of a bonus, nothing really special. My blackcat tends to get a majority of the killshots though, so I get a lot of licked items.

>fully evolve fire dragon
>give it 620% evasion, higher than mine
>give it tons of gold
>still dies frequently
Granted we are doing dungeons over twice our level but still.
Feels like it levels too slowly but if I let it get into fights it can't kill anything.
Making it wear the negative edge as a weapon.

>>13590031
>doing dungeons over twice our level
That may have something to do with it.
That said, how are its resists?

What's the best way to get AP? I'm at the point where even level 240 dungeons only give about 100, and I have to fight stuff like five head gods to get any.

How many pets do you guys have?
I'm up to like 5 now because I can't bring myself to ditch any of them.

>Attend Festival of Jure
>Start preaching the good name of Yacatect
>Crash after a couple of seconds

I am both amused and disappointed.

>>13590131

4 at the moment. I'll have more in a few levels, but I like leaving a free slot or two for unique mob encounters, since they can be your pet too. Though the mad scientist is shit and can't seem to not die. Only my horse is worse.

At least my little girl and dragon child can fight.

>>13590131

14. I don't even use any of them since I have the feat that increases speed when alone.

>>13590141
Are you me?

>>13590131
I tag force my allies of 6 into a more manageable 3.

>>13590252
What, you mean like riding?

>>13590179

I might be.

Go do your laundry already.

>>13590291
No, it puts two characters into the same spot, they basically alternate turns taking hits/attacking.
It generally also makes them less likely to die.

>>13590316
Oh wow, I had no idea you could buddy them up like this. This is great.
What does the Tag Force wide ability do, then?

I noticed that corpses from ranches have +'s next to them, what determines how high that number is?

>>13590334
You can also tag force YOURSELF with a pet if you want to. Would be a good alternative to a leash.

(As far as I know) You can only tag force up to two.

>>13590377
I can't find a single thing about this feature on the wiki, which is rather surprising. So you'll have to forgive me if I end up asking you silly questions.
Whose speed does it use? Does it use a specific one (left/right), the lower speed, or just alternate between the two?

So what's the City Chart for anyway? Does it ever become useful or is it incomplete?

Where can I get a lot of kitty banks?

>>13590389
I'm not particularly sure. I generally keep my comrades in the same range of power/speed.

>>13590389
They both act at once, at the slower of the two's speed values. It doesn't half their speed or alternate in any way.

>>13590473
I see. Best to keep them at similar speeds, then.

>>13590040
Kind of shit, don't know how to fix that though.
Am I not supposed to be doing dungeons over twice my level?
I can kill everything fine.

>>13590834
Try feeding it specific corpses. Hopefully you have the Anatomy skill.
Under the "Corpse-specific" section here, you can see which corpses have a chance of giving your pet PERMANENT resistance to an element, up to Normal: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Food/Technical

>>13590947
I noticed dark koalas give dark resist but those things really fuck me up.
Because of the lack of dark resist.
My anatomy is currently at 30.

>>13590131
I only have my starter little girl, and she just sits in my house like a lazy fucking neet. Making me and go out and do dungeons just to feed and house her. GET A JOB.

Should I not drink potions of potential if all my stats are at superb?
What about if all of them but one are?

>>13591030

You keep her in your house? I don't know how to do that. They either stay with that dude you can get to call them or in the Doujyou.

>>13591066
At your house board, select "Allies in your home" and then pick whoever you want to have stay.

>>13591051
superb is anything above 200, so as long as you aren't at the cap, it should be fine.

remember that potential decay is proportional (-0.1x) while potential gain is flat (+20), so superb tends to drop rather quickly

Is there an easier way to get socks? I'm still short by 10.

>>13591117
high rank armory stores sell them

it's less headache-inducing to just dungeon dive and check the clowns and thief guild members you run across

pickpocket or dominate

>>13590416
Unleash ebon and pickpocket the one in noyel after all the townspeople run away, or, if you don't mind cheating a little, use backspace+enter on the cat dungeon under yowyn to reset it

>>13591219

Oh, I just kill those guys. My pickpocketing sucks and I can't dominate without a rod.

>>13589813
I've never seen the "lick" ability activate in E+ even when I set out specifically to make it happen.

>>13591272
Well you know what you must do anon, you must pickpocket dead trees in the wilderness until you're good at it.

Where should I try to find Disguise Kits and/or Scrolls of Incognito? I've searched everywhere for a werewolf, but they aren't there

Harsh pair of gloves to find at level 20

>>13591926
They're so ugly that noone wants to be near you anymore. In more ways than one.

Every time I get a random wish from a well i'm never prepared for it even though that's the only reason I drink out of every well I come across.

Fucking hell I need to make a checklist of "Things to wish for and things i've already wished for"

>>13591970
seven league boots
happy bed
secret experience of kumiromi
astral light pen

>>13591990

In that order? I've only had one wish so far and I used it on the bed, but since I started doing cargo runs I'm beginning to think the boots would be more useful.

>>13591990
Already got them so now I have no idea. I guess more kumiromis if nothing else.

>>13592000
I've always used my first wish on the boots because they're lighter than the bed and escort missions are good money starting out, but it's really up to you; more potential gains from a better bed always helps. You can always get more wishes by destroying fountains and coming back later anyway.

>>13592021
>because they're lighter than the bed

Wait, do you carry yours with you? I left mine at home and just return anytime I desperately need sleep. I die too much to risk losing it.

Thanks for the reminder I can destroy fountains, all of mine are empty. Except the holy one now, that probably has one sip.

>>13592035
I usually bring it with me, but if it takes up too much of my character's carrying limit early on, I go with an eastern bed/sleep sheep until I boost my strength/weight lifting more.

>>13591970
I use the ones in static locations like towns to wish for gods, so I can come back and invite them to my house once I get their favor up.

>>13591990
Is secret experience of kumiromi even worth after it got changed to only give one use?

>>13592151
What do you mean?

I got an Unknown Shell with "negates the effect of poison" randomly on it. If I have this, can I ignore poison resistance? Does this just prevent the damage over time effect, or are there attacks that do poison damage that aren't nullified?

>>13592390
You can pretty much ignore poison resistance, yeah.
"negates poison" makes you immune to the status effect, but provides no protection from poison attacks. But poison attacks are weak as shit and rare too, the status effect is the only threatening thing.

>>13592402
Nice. By the way, I'm playing a spellcaster, so should I spend my medals to get the Sage's Helm instead of the Lucky Dagger for seeing invisible enemies? It also has negate Confusion effect, which seems really important for a magic user.

>>13592405
Might just be my luck but I find confusion resist on a lot of things, but yes confusion is bad news for spellcasters.

>>13592405
Yes, definitely. Confusion is "cure it or die" for casters.

>>13592035
I wasted my first wish on the boots on a character without fucking feet because I am a genius and got my second wish 100 hours later.
I just used scrolls of change material on it until it became a dawncloth happy bed.
If I had bothered to savescum I could have gone for cloth but my strength/weightlifting is really good at this point.

>>13592402
Heals negate poison well enough.
As a melee character the only status that can slow me down at all is blindness.
Shadow step+kumi OP.

>>13592442
Heals also require you to CONSTANTLY burn turns to do so if you're fighting something with a poison attack.

>>13590131
6 atm, but goldbell almost always in defence mode to prevent ap wasting (she still gets 0 even from lvl 100+ rogue boss encounters)
>>13590368
Rubbing before slaying gives extra +, even more with big brush.
>>13590389
They use the lowest speed, but their movements are decided by the left pet (the one you interacted with to set tag), so it's better to put timestoping/shadowsteping one to the left.

Are there any detriments to learning a lot of skills? Does it make getting exp for each one harder? Just got a scroll of gain attribute and I'm wondering if I should bless it or not.

>>13590131
10-15 depending on number of little sisters.

I only use 1 for combat. I tried 2 pets out at once but it felt annoying.

>>13592497
You should learn all skills, but you should NOT use a scroll of gain attribute for it.

>>13592442

Sleep is pretty bad too.

Alright, I'm going to start the path of the Godslayer. Not going to use offensive magic. How good does my equipment need to be? I'm mostly using artifacts, but I don't know if those will be good enough extremely late in the game.

>>13592433
How much does a dawncloth happy bed weigh?

>>13592718
I have a spirit cloth one and it's 12.4s, but I believe there's some room for variance? Unsure on that one

>>13592433
You can't make furniture out of cloth.

>>13592738
I just used a blessed change material scroll and got a zylonwork happy bed, weight is 15.5s. Think that's good enough for now?

>>13592718
The weight of a generic happy bed is 31.
The dawn cloth weight multiplier is .45.
You tell me.

source: the wiki

>>13592747
probably yeah, I wouldn't burn myself out trying to get a better one unless you want to savescum

According to the wiki, one of the changes in elona+ is "A character's resistance to elements affects your damage done with elemental spells."

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells#Spellcasting_changes

Does that mean if you increase your fire resistance, your fire based spells will do more damage? And if so, does that apply to magic resistance and magic dart/crystal spear?

>>13592166
Well, it's one feat per wish, if you've got the 5 levels.
Doesn't seem all that much compared to potions of evolution.

>>13590131
2. atm
I started with replacing my little girl with a fire@dragon, then bought another one for no reason, got the defender and the golden knight.
around level 40 I gene engineered the dragon to lvl 41 step by step to gett the most stats and left the rest of the crew home.
It beat Zeome with ease. I grinded some AP for him, gave him Tactical Martial Arts, Tactical Attack and 500+ speed.
After that and a little gearing for Nether resist he could survive a lot, I thought he would be ore of a tanker but he easily over damaged me and my silly little lvl 150 magic arrows.
I was having only him with me till around lvl 70-ish, but when I saw he over comes me with ease and the ability to just spend less than 5000 gold to train I started to train up a potion/panty thrower miss vampire, She has no nether invoke weapon yet so she's quite fragile but in 1v1 arena battles she can stunlock mostly everything for her panty has darkness bolt invoke and nerve damage as well.

TLDR: Two. A dragon and a young lady.

>>13593076
The difference is that I can buy a handful of potions of evolution every month from the magic vendor in my house, to the point that I don't anymore because I have all the positive mutations maxed out. You can't buy feats.

Does the strange feast random event do anything other than make you bloated?

>>13593211
nice dubs

>>13593211
It takes up a significant amount of clock time. Three hours or more if I remember correctly.

What's the best way to grind favor with Lulwy? Bows seem way harder to come by than any of the other Gods preferred offerings. Ores/Fish/Staves/Vegetables are super easy, and guns too thanks to the Cyberdome vendors.

>>13593240
"I want it" quests that send you to guards.
Get a shit ton of good food, booze or whatever you want that's light but expensive and trade the guard that has the item you were sent for. Take his bow then trade again and he will get another random bow. Even if he starts out with a stone throwing weapon after 1 trade he will have a bow. The limit is only your preparations for it. When I did it I took like 50+ cooked fruits/veggies from my farm and traded until they lasted.

>>13593240
There is no non-exploity way that I know of to farm bows, you should probably start gathering them in anticipation from the very beginning of your game.

Is it bad that I find her name amusing?

>What you say?
Fuck my life. See you in the two months, I guess.

>>13593408

The names can be pretty goofy. I got a dude named Waghard.

>>13593075
I've not been able to find anything in the code indicating that the resistance = more damage thing is true, and testing doesn't appear to bear it out either.

>>13593606
Thanks anon.

is there a downside to just going between towns and killing bandits for free loot until you're heavy as fuck and more and more bandits come until you drain all the money off traders in one side of the world, then just do it on the other until the first resets? seems like piss easy infinite cash early on.

>>13593624
It takes a lot of in-game time.
If you're okay with that, or if you actually want time to progress (for shops to refresh their stock, farms and ranches to fill up or to do the thieves' guild quest), then just go ahead and do it.
It's just one way to earn money early game until you're ready to do dungeons.

>>13590031
Gene eng that dragon to get 12 slots, gear him with +10 equipment, give him resist and status immunity stuff.
I have my dragon as a martial artist with nether invoke from the skill "Attribute" He literally can not die even when I Throw rotten tomatoes and use rampage.

Pic is his MA damage. He has the smash tonfa and a rubynus claw with ##### Lightning resist equipped. He's lvl 93 and if I wouldn't try to solo awakened lvl 200+ dungeons he'd be level 120+ by now.

An adventurer decided to crash at my home uninvited, got drunk, and ended up killing my poor magic vendor. In a fit of rage, I took revenge for my shopkeeper and blasted him to bits with my magic missile. He ended up dropping a potion of speed upper though, so it wasn't too bad.

>>13594056
That's why I have guest's chair in safe corner. Even if some retarded halloween child go full touhou with molotovs, my items and shopkeepers are safe. Worst possibility is some drunkard trying to stab Ehekatl, better safe than sorry.

>>13594056
The shopkeeper comes back after a while

>>13594056
Now that adventurer will be hunting you forever...

>>13593408
>>13593451
Yeah lol, the name generator totally slays me with how you know they're not meant to sound intentionally vulgar, but sometimes I swear its being done on purpose.

>>13593703
Is it wrong that I imagine two pimps going full on ghetto on each other from reading that image?

>>13593240
Basically you just hoard bows and give them to her. After that what I started doing was offering her big daddy corpses during panic quests in palmia.

heh...

>>13594787

I wish I could beat that bastard. He just screws me up, 2,000 speed is too much for me to handle.

>>13594815
I just wanted to dominate a curased coffin for my defender who's lvl 67 at the moment. I took the wrong turn and though why not...
After I saw it drops a god heart I got curious and wiki'd it. 2000 speed is massive!

>>13594830
and I swear the RNGesus is mocking me...

>>13594830

Yeah, I'm really starting to doubt my character. Even with all this stuff, I don't hit very hard.

>>13594853
I'm just Liching stuff from safe distance while my dragon is dual-wielding shields and siping back HP with Martial arts. He still outdamages me, simply because he can hit 4 times in a turn and each of these hits has nether invoke, and because pet's Tactical MA is OP.
Did you know that Body Blow and Bakuretuken works as an invoke after a regular MA attack when a pet uses it? I call hax on that.

>>13594895

Yeah, I wonder if I should have gone Martial Arts. But I don't want to give up my big sword. I can hit 1-4 times for 2000-6000 damage, but all these bosses reduce the damage to somewhere around 1000-2000 and I hate it.

>>13594917
It's not that great for the PC. You can not sink simple gold in training like a pet can, and you can't just gene eng a massive dragon in yourself to gain levels and +10 str, dex and con in one go.
You can however react to different situations where a simple pet AI can't. That's why I went caster to do whatever is needed, whenever it's needed.

Still if you fancy playing defensive, go ahead and try MA. I do believe it's in the game for people who got fed up by countless deaths from public performers in the puppy cave and equipped 2 shields...
It's not the best for damage though.

>>13594992

Well, my damage already sucks. And I have my Tactics at 274, so it could be worth it. I'm not even going to bother with magic at this point.

>>13590131
I've used these guys since level 30ish and It's such a nightmare keeping their stats and gear at an equal level with each other but we've done pretty well for my first character that I level past 10. I can clear dungeons below god level mobs areas without much difficulty.

>>13595004
You might even do more damage with that sword and the smash tonfa. Or receive less damage with the shield tonfa. I wouldn't ditch the sword though, only 2 hand.
Also The gemini is an awesome gun but it's optimal range is almost at melee range. I'd go with a machine gun, laser gun or a sniper rifle if you want no damage magic. Ideally a throwing weapon like a living pair of panties that you crafted on a lucky day would suit you the best though.

>>13595083

I'm using Gemini purely for the extra melee attack, my Marksman level is only 30. I do have a living shuriken though. Also, would a huge weapon like that and a Tonfa be bad? It seems like you shouldn't use a massive weapon with a shield, but I'm not sure.

>>13595051
>Gwen the indecent
O-oh my.

Do mutant pets gain equipment slots like PC's?

My current pet is getting fairly close to being able to take on some of the inner gods. I'm thinking about retiring her afterwards and getting a little sister pet that I can have wield all the inner god weapons simultaneously...

Let's Ragnarok!

>>13595162
Yes they do. No idea about little sisters but the regular Space balls do gain slots. Think the sisters should work the same way.
Pic is a Mutant I have with me that I caught on my way home. I'll gene eng it into my shopkeeper Mra for additional slots.

>>13595103
I personally like Tubman best though I picked her up last and pretty much speed leveled her with gene engineer. I'm thinking of restarting though and going with only 2 party members in my second play through since I've beaten everything in the main story that you can access so far. Having a hard time deciding between keeping the defender, Gwen and little girl.

>>13595095
I don't know why but I keep mixing that up with the Griffon.
I had that, gave it to a Rogue archer. I later changed it's sprite to the /rlg/ Rogue Archer sprite and renamed it to Mr Chen.

So, what's the best way to farm Hero Cheese? Music Tickets seem more consistent than finding Big Daddies, but 35,000 tickets is a steep price.

>>13595901
Tickets are the way to do it.
Leveling your summon spirit spell and summoning high level spirits to perform to on party time quest will drastically increase the music ticket gain.
A few threads ago we had a guy with lvl 800 spirits. He killed every non named NPC in the party, replaced them with spirits, Alchemical rained them with a love potion and gained 12k tickets for 1 quests. He also got hit with a -50 karma penalty for killing tourists and kids.
You might also drag around your private undead groupies with Necromancy coffins and a DD cemetery key.

Also, this might be trivial but do use Ensemble.

>>13595982

Oh, that's certainly an interesting solution. Not something I can do though, since my magic is in the gutter and I actually don't know alchemy.

>>13593703
I already engineered him to full slots an extra one actually because I can't count but what do you mean by the skill attribute?
I am wearing the smash tonfa myself and don't want to let it go.

So, what's the point in the god equipment that reduces your stats? I heard something about them being good for training stats but I don't know how true that really is.

>>13596930

opatos's can be used to grind ap but I haven't tried out actual grinding with them

Day 2 of raising my exile in the hopes of being on par with my little girl/valkyrie. Up to this point I've gene engineered almost all of the skills into her and in the process have boosted her levels significantly. Did this through dominating and gene engineering monsters in dungeons I go to and gene engineering creatures from the slave master in Derphy. Her stats aren't where they're supposed to be for her level but that's fine. Same thing happened while I was raising my little girl but they're now fine. Her stat problem should vanish once I begin feeding her Curarias. I have 1500 Curarias waiting for her but I'll probably need more. My only lament is her speed. Going to have to do some AP farming for her. Luckily tagging my character to her and me killing things for her should help get the process going.

>>13596962
How long would it take to feed her 1500?

>>13596953

Oh, the Opatos bit is interesting. I could really use that since getting AP has been a real drag lately.

>>13595051
Did this game srsly rip off artwork from Aspereta/Illutia? I recognize that shield.

>>13597023
That looks like a custom sprite sheet, not vanilla.

>srsly
At least type like you aren't a nigger.

>>13597036
>>13597023
They're all default sprites, and the shield design is pretty simple so I wouldn't call it a rip off since there isn't any stylistic choice to rip off. It's just 2 curvy squares really.

>>13596930
The point of the god items is so you can train specific stats, aside from opatos's speed penalty, which is for AP gain.

Kumi's gives a huge penalty to healing and mana regen, so you have a lot of "ticks" to regen to full health/mana every time. Since it trains on every tick, this means every time you rest while on low health/low mana, you get a lot more individual ticks since you're healing a lot less per tick.

Jure's makes you do a lot less damage, so you can bash things to train riding and tactics and whatnot without killing enemies outright.


Etc, etc.

Does that clear things up?

>>13597090

I kinda get it. It's just that I was using the Sasumata, but my Tactics gain wasn't really any faster than just going around and killing stuff normally. I had a bunch of hits that gave no experience at all even with a potential of 400%.

>>13596953
>>13597002
Does fetter of earth actually work for AP gain anymore? Now that AP gain is partially based off of INI speed and not your effective speed.

>>13596962
Not long really with time manipulations. My valkyrie, Yuki, would go through stacks of 1000 Curarias in mere minutes. If you lower your speed temporarily through various means such as burdening yourself with cargo you can advance time quickly by resting. Specifically, I lowered my speed down to 10 and as time flew my character, Kai, and Yuki would get hungry and would end up eating tons of herbs.

Kai and Yuki were both able to get a crap ton of stats through this method. This method is also a fantastic way of making your character sleepy because of all the time that passes by resting, as odd as that sounds. By causing your character to be sleepy often you can increase your spell potentials really fast which is awesome if you're a spellcaster.

>>13597288
Do you still have to manually feed pets or has that changed?

>>13596990
Whoops, >>13597288
was meant for >>13596990

>>13597314
I think you can give food to pets now and when they're hungry they'll go into their inventory and eat whatever you gave them. I could be wrong though. I personally don't give my pets food so they can hold it in their inventory. All I do is just drop food on the ground when I see their bar become blue. I also tend to do this a lot since I employ the time manipulation method, >>13597288, a lot. All I do is rest and watch as my pet flutters about the herb stack that disappears quickly despite being a big stack.

>>13597345
I should clarify, the reason why I don't just give herbs to my ally to hold is because I usually retrieve my herbs from the 4th dimensional pocket and just drop it so my ally can eat it. No real reason to have her hold it because she just consumes it all very fast through time manipulation.

>>13597345
>>13597376

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. For some reason I thought you meant resting on the overworld to make time move faster.

>>13597345
I can't seem to get my ally to eat food in their inventory. Oh well, no big loss there. Will just continue to drop food on the ground for them to eat despite that being unsanitary.

>>13593703
How do you actually get a pet to learn and actually use the special action attribute?
I gave it two of my old claws that both have dark resist on them.

So I hit Lost Irva, and now I'm working on figuring out the artifact fusion quest. How do you get Thalia's relationship up to fellow? Love potions don't seem to work, she won't take aphrodisiac food or chocolates, friendship tokens only raise if you're already a friend. Do you really have to go through 50 or so sex sessions to get this bitch on your good girl list?

>>13597547
Special action attribute through AP. Specifically, the tactical martial arts option.

>>13597570
Anon from a prior thread said they chuck love potions at people until they're at friend level then use friendship tokens to get to the level they need.

>>13597570
Gifts. As the things you can buy at stores.

>>13597570
>>13597603
Giving them gifts (the furniture) also works.

>>13597603
Apparently he needs about 100 more AP.
How good is continuous attacks for someone that uses 6 weapons?
I have 1250 AP and was thinking of saving for one of those feats, though I'm not sure which one.

>>13597570
You do have to heat up her forge before she'll do anything for you. Yes, that's a foreplay analogy. Give her a good dicking anon.

>>13597636
I have no experience with a mutant or pet character with 6 arms so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. I have fought a hand of the god monster that did use that action and I wasn't really impressed by it to say the least. Did really poor damage. I don't know if that's truly indicative of how powerful that skill is though. They say the skill is based on dexterity so maybe if you have high dex it will be good? No idea.

>>13597636
>>13597659
Well the problem is that PV has both a percentage and an absolute reduction to damage, and when you make a bunch of small hits that absolute reduction is being applied to every hit instead of just one.
If their PV gives them a protection of 67% + 6d10 then five attacks get a total reduction of 67% + 30d10.

>>13597570
Love potions actually are quite effective in scoring relationship points with her. All you really need to do is throw them at her one at a time with each visit so that way she'll reset from being hostile toward you the next time.
I just showered her with gifts and love potions (literally) all in one sitting and had her in the palm of my hand without even having to screw her or anything.

If you have pets it might be safe to put them on defense just in case.

>>13597636
Continuous Attacks is pretty terrible, the only redeeming feature is that you can execute it from a distance.

I wish it just told you the multiplier instead of using hashes.

Does skill experience gained eventually reach a cap? I'm at 300 Tactics, and only gaining 0.002% experience a hit at 300-400% potential, I wonder if eventually even that much potential won't keep me from going below 0.001.

>level 66
>enter level 145 dungeon
>first enemy is element dragon
>barely kill it
>fourth enemy is a stag god

>>13598190
Careful with what dungeon level you enter. You're at that weird level where you can easily do dungeons up to twice your level and want to push the envelope. Don't.

Unless you have awesome stats and skills for your level to back up pushing the envelope you're going to run head first into having your dungeons locked into a danger level that makes them miserable to go through. That dungeon you went through is a warning. Be glad you got to experience it before you did something with the dungeon danger levels that you can't easily fix.

>>13598262
>godmooks
>killing dungeon runs
The godmooks aren't there to threaten you, they're to remind you that you have tools that aren't murder.

>>13598262

I think at his level I went through dungeons triple my level. It was kinda neat, but damn it leveled me up fast. I went up to 90 in the blink of an eye.

>Go and slay 3 thousand hedgehog!
W-WHAT?
>monster literally named "thousand hedgehog"

>>13598162
I'm working on releasing a google docs spreadsheet with all the ways to gain exp for particular skills, a calculator for how much effective xp it translates to based on skill level, etc.

To answer your question, yes and no. The level penalty continuously increases. When it gets to the point that you wouldn't even receive 1 effective EXP (.001) from an action, there's a 1/(SkillLevel/10) chance that the game will take pity on you and give you 1 exp. That 1exp can be further increased by the LER bonus to a maximum of 5 exp (.005), which is still incredibly punishing.

What is the attraction of 7 league boots over dia-athlon or alternatives?

stats are shit except travel?

>>13599191
Hidden +11 speed bonus is good early on.

>>13599191
In vanilla Gaining speed was next to impossible especially early on. Getting at least one wish was not. When you play a character that has 70 speed for 300+ hours you'll want EVERY extra speed you can get.
I guess this hunger for more speed has been carried over to elona plus.
Also 7lb is just the base of an item. it can still be an artfact with zillion good or bad enchants.
The Dal-i-thalion is a fixed artifact that has very little room to be better.

>>13597815
each hash is up to 5 points. If you've got #, thats +1-+5, if you've got ##, it's at least +6, up to +10.

>>13589047

It's way too low level and it actually retaliates by summoning monsters

>>13590131

Zero. I think I'm too strong already to bother with pets.

>>13593624

Seems inefficient than getting 1M per dungeon

>>13596962

How did you get a gazillion of small medals for hermes potions at only 330 hours of playing time? You get 0-3 small medals per dungeon right?

>>13597636
Fire dragon has superb#### fire resistance and superb####+ chaos resistance and is punching with fire.
This disturbs me.

Tried getting into Elona a long time ago but it always went south in the end anything you guys would recommend for starting out that isnt coverd in the pastebin???

Do pets utilize mining somehow, aside from training constitution?

I wanna make a big warrior guy. Should I go with Golem Warrior, and if so, what kind of weapon should I go for?

>>13599776
Having a strong pet or two (in particular, the god pets are really good) can go a long way. The unknown shell is easy to find early on and bumps up your faith significantly.

>>13599966
Dwarves are probably better warriors than golems.
Or you could be cool and play a mutant.

>>13600005
how do I into mutant? I don't get the extra bodyparts thing

>>13600006
Savescum hands.
Wear claws and two medium/light weapons.
Get +dual wield items.
The early levels are painful as hell though until you can get a decent weapon.

>>13600028
what should my bodyparts be exactly? Can I start with Farmer or is it not worth it?

>>13600057
You will want a neck and probably arms for twin edge and gloves of vesda.
A ring can be pretty handy for steel dragon/pride/aurora but I don't think you really need more than one ring slot.
Other than that just more hands unless something really stands out.
Farmer should be fine because of the early bonuses butt you will want to switch to warrior at some point for their class bonus.
Also don't forget to abuse ether disease!

How much shop level do magic vendors need to sell scrolls of gain attribute?
I just made a huge amount of resist items.

>>13600109
thanks, and one last thing: what stats should I look for on equips?

>>13600229
Hit rate will help a lot early on but otherwise just standard stuff.
Resistances, blind/fear immunity is really useful, DV, +damage will affect every weapon you wield, +extra attack applies to each weapon and multiple sources of it can activate from other sources activating.
High eye of mind can help you hit things you would otherwise miss because crits are on a separate hit table.
I've been wearing Rankis in my first hand forever because the time stop can be absolutely invaluable and I'm thinking about spending my medals on a diablo to pick up as my 7th weapon just for the extra time stop chance.
Swarm+time stop can be very powerful and time stop lets you kill some things you really should not be able to.

>>13599696
For pets with innate resistances, the hashmarks don't include their innates. That's "superb + ####" fire resistance, and "none + ####+" chaos resistance.

>>13600318
Makes sense.
I gave him another chaos resist item so he is doing chaos damage now.

I love you Ehekatl!

>>13598190
>>level 66
>>enter level 145 dungeon

Holy shit, I'm a level 23 wizard and trying not to even go into a level 17 because all my pets die by the end of a level 11. Even I have a bit of a problem at the end of those since I'm still not in the guild so most of my spells are gained from dreams.

>>13600513
There's a rather noticable point where you suddenly go from "shit, better stay below my level" to "hahaha I'm king of the world time to go thrice my leve-STAG GOD FUCK FUCK FUCK"

>>13600517

That's good to hear, this whole time I've been thinking that I'm the worst player ever at this game.

At least I haven't died in a while I guess. But I am the retard that destroyed a full storage house the other day, so there's that.

I am starting to deeply regret using the saint treasure.
Big daddys are everywhere and fucking foreign traders keep having speed rings.
If I get the sinner one do they cancel each other out?

>>13600517

I feel glad, I haven't had to worry about anything besides getting enough AP for 800 speed. God damn, the only things that give them are super strong Panic quests and level 400 dungeons, and the level 400 dungeons scare me, it sucks. I just want to start my speed grinding.

>>13600534
yeah

>>13600534
I think it just replaces one with the other. You can't remove both.

>>13599659
Not him, but if you're really efficient with your runs (get to the stairs asap with teleport, kill dungeon boss, get out, move on to next dungeon) you could really rack up the medals quickly. Add onto that eating shoes, and you could probably do it if you have no life

>>13600968
>I think it just replaces one with the other.

Nope.
They negate eachother.

>>13600985
Oh really? Neat.

>>13600973

Speaking of no life, I want to get my Tactics to 2,000. I wonder what the best way to do that would be.

Is this guy supposed to be much easier than the other two? He went down like a chump.

>>13601160
He has bad AI, and if you're faster than him he wastes a LOT of turns.

>>13601168

It's not even that, he hits like a pussy too. I guess elemental resistances really trivialize him, since Yerleswood did 4,500 damage to me and I got lucky to run away, and Siva just straight up killed me.

>>13601052
Mechanical binder would probably help.

I meant to eat a curaria. Hold me please.

>>13601322
>all my potions of cure corruption in storage
>buy a potion of potential
>YOU ARE ADDICTED TO POTION
>YOU DRINK A POTION OF POTENTIAL
Thankfully it boosted the stat I use the most.

>>13601280

Yeah, definitely looks like it. Gonna feel a bit bad for doing the god abandonment thing though.

Do you get a message in your chat window when a big daddy spawns on a level you enter?

>>13601618
You do not. You may hear the ambient noises, but they're not immediate.

>>13601618
Ambient noise like >>13601627 said.
Stuff like the little girl's chatter (she calls the Big Daddy "Bubbles") and descriptive stuff like "You hear footsteps of something you do NOT want to anger."
It's also often accompanied by a great deal of enemy death messages as the Big Daddy destroys any enemies near it.

>>13601643
Thanks. Can they spawn at just about any DL, or are they more frequent past a certain DL?

>>13599659
I should probably address the hours portion of your question first. Kai is my second character and all the knowledge and experience of my first character, along with knowledge gathered from benevolent anons, wiki, and the elona forums, was put into the creation of Kai. Knowledge of what to do and how to do it has shaved hours off my game time. I'm convinced that if any veteran player had to make a new character today their new character would probably reach the power of their former character in a fraction of the time simply because they know what they're doing.

Now for medals, I see that other anons have pretty much given you the gist of what I did. I will now give more details. This will probably be lengthy since I want to explain my character's unorthodox beginning and progression but it should dovetail nicely into how I farm medals and why I can do them so fast. Hopefully it might help out some people getting into the game as well.

When I started my adventure I had 2 goals in mind. 1) Reach South Tyris ASAP to take on the quest to get a Kumi statue so I can begin turning in little sisters to get copies of said statue. 2) Get Speed to 2000. I rolled an Eulderna Gunner and started scavenging the first floor of the puppy caves for things to sell as well as magic books since I'm a caster as well. After getting enough gold to get geared up I then did escort and hunting quests for the platinum. I used said plat to buy skills I didn't have such as gardening, cooking, weight lifting, etc. I then took up harvesting quests in Yowyn and I did not care whether I succeeded at the harvesting quests as all I cared about was raising stats through those quests at the time. After I got stronger I then used the wiki to track down the spots of medals you can find in various towns and areas. Most people would use these initial medals for the shield tonfa, sage helmet, tax box, or Diablo. Understandable purchases but I wanted the void license instead.

>>13601652
I've seen them often enough even in low DL dungeons, I think they just have a certain chance to show up per floor.

Do potions of speed upper just randomly spawn in dungeons now like potions of cure corruption? Just picked one up off the floor.

Can anyone help me with progressing in the cradle of chaos? I'm unable to progress past the 7th floor after beating the boss there despite having done the quests from Erystia with Marka the Bear and Regulas the Altered. The update notes on the wiki says you should be able to reach the 10th floor but I've gone to Larna and talked to Gavala and the portal blocking me is still there.

>>13601672
(cont) The void would become my go to place to train and get loot. While doing all of this I began doing the main quest and getting the books required to join the mage guild.

While in the void I would train my skills, spells, and level up. I would use wishing wells to wish for potions of evolution and secret experience for feats.

After cobbling up a resist suit and getting enough power through level and skills I was able to finish the main quest. I went to South Tyris got my Kumi statue and set about creating my farms. Up to this point I have not touched a single dungeon meaning my dungeon levels were incredibly low yet my character was incredibly powerful in comparison. I set out to abuse this situation as much as possible.

I purposely kept dungeon levels as low as I could and bee lined to bosses that I would one shot or at least kill very fast. I would ignore monsters and loot, race to the stairs, and kill the boss. Dungeon clearing took seconds and I would cross back and forth from North Tyris and South Tyris clearing dungeons.

Dungeon levels did not influence whether a boss would drop medals or how much. A level 1 dungeon had a boss that had an equal amount chance to drop 3 medals as a boss found in a lv 50 dungeon. Dungeon level also didn't hamper my search much for big daddies to kill. Gold I can get through selling food and doing quests. As for raw power my eventual herb farms took care care of that. Skills and spells were handled by going to the void. Due to all of this I didn't really have an incentive to increase the dungeon levels and I milked my situation as much as I could. It wasn't until I got access to Irva that I began clearing higher level dungeons. Most of my speed has come from hermes potions, speed uppers, kokou, raw shoes, and herbs. A tiny bit from AP and I wish I utilized it more back then but I didn't know the AP rewards that well back then.

>>13601618
If you're playing in japanese, yes

>>13601881
Goddamn anon, I never thought I'd hear about some strategy like this.

Well played

>>13601881

How many hours in did you reach the void?

>>13602299
You can look up a list of small medals on the ground, theres about 80 or so in the main towns you can just run through and grab for a void license.

>>13602386

Well, I was more asking for an idea of where your level was at the time and for a better idea of just how much you rushed diving in there.

>>13602299
I wouldn't necessarily say I was rushing the void since I was doing quests for gold and plat to get skills. The medal farming to get the license happened as I was doing the quests though. For instance escort quests would take me to various cities and when I reached a new location I would check the wiki and see where all the medals were in that particular city. I'd also travel around when I exhausted a city of quests and in the travels I'd venture out to other places like the truce grounds and get medals there for example.

Can't really give you an exact time when I gained access to the void but I think it happened when I was nearing learning all of the non guild exclusive skills. One could rush the void if they want though. It's just simply following the list on the wiki of all the medal locations.

Since both high magic resist and holy veil help you to resist hexes, how do the two interact with one another? Does the game do separate rolls, are they both taken into account in a check, or does one simply replace the other?

>>13601741
Yes. They're actually more common in my experience than cure corruption.

What's the best way to get past high defenses with a weapon? Piercing attacks don't happen enough for me to enjoy their benefits. It's making these bosses painful.

>>13601799
Did you do all that deep sea castle stuff?

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Quest_%28Elona%2B%29

So do potion racks actually show up in stores or do I have to join the thieves guild so I can learn to pickpocket and steal one for myself?

>>13602636
Well I normally get through high defenses through having an obscene damage multiplier. Anyhow, have you looked into getting yourself a lightsaber or making one? Those weapons have 100% piercing. If you can craft lightsabers you might want to look into crafting one until you get a living lightsaber for more awesomeness.

>>13602740

I've been thinking about getting one. The only problem is the Ether disease, man I hate that. My damage multiplier is okay for my level, it's at 42.0x right now, but even with the Grandel I feel like my damage is reduced way too much. Against certain monsters, my damage drops from more than 3,000-7000 to around 700-1400, with the magic attack doing another 700. I feel like I'm only winning because of Jure Prayer and because I'm build like a god damn brick.

>>13602639
>http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Quest_%28Elona%2B%29
yeah that was the first of the 3 quests I did. I've done everything I can think of and it's still locked. Maybe my game bugged during one of the updates. Might be time to play a herb-roided new character.

>>13602759
Not sure how to get more damage out of a weapon to overcome high defense aside from high damage multiplier and pierce. If weapons don't work I usually fall back on magic or special actions. Have you been taking advantage of shining wave? It deals magic damage but is based on your strength and tactics. Should be able to bypass something with high PV and low magic resist.

>>13602811

Shining Wave damage gets reduced too. I do 10,000 damage with it normally, but it goes down to 3,000 on certain enemies. Maybe if I get a good Vindale Cloak, I'll look into a lightsaber. Maybe try to weigh it down with cursed flying scrolls since a decent chunk of my multiplier comes from Two Hand.

>>13602759
What monsters?

>>13602996

Mostly high level stuff, around level 200-400, or any boss like Siva. I demolish anything around my level.

>>13601881
>A level 1 dungeon had a boss that had an equal amount chance to drop 3 medals as a boss found in a lv 50 dungeon.

In case anyone is wondering, small medal chance from dungeons is based on fame. The number of medals (1-3) is completely random if you pass the check though.

My shopkeeper is fucking useless.

>>13603109
Well cat girls are easily distracted. Maybe the customers are taking advantage of her with fox tails and catnip. That or she's stealing from the register and you need to have a serious talk with her. On a serious note, maybe your cat girl didn't sell your items for gold but instead traded the items for their items? Check your safe to see if items were placed in it.

>>13603134
>On a serious note, maybe your cat girl didn't sell your items for gold but instead traded the items for their items? Check your safe to see if items were placed in it.
Yeah, that's the next line of text, that I cropped out. Still irritating, though, the only things I had for sale weren't of item types that I have any use for so now I have to go pull them out and drop them.

Is there a way to reroll your sprite appearance without "uploading" a new one? I'd like a different look, but I don't want to have to fudge with 3rd party applications if possible.

Werewolf and the detective shit, how does it work?
I have yet to see a town person transform or explode into a werewolf or however it works.

>>13603087
>small medal chance from dungeons is based on fame
In what way?

>>13599777
When they are over fellow relationship they will start gaining random materials from kills. You can take those by talking to your pet.
With these mats it's really easy to have enough for tons of potential potions and gear I craft on lucky days.

>>13603254
Exact code snippet:

if ( rnd(var_57(34, 0) + 1) > rnd(100000) ) {
flt
itemcreate -1, 622, var_57(1, 0), var_57(2, 0), limit(rnd(3) + 1, 1, 3)
}

In English:

If a random roll between your 0 and your fame is greater than a random roll between 0 and 100000, then generate small medals with count of a random number between 0-2 + 1 (so 1-3).

>>13603210
press p in your character screen

>>13603479
Thanks anon for your work in diving into the code and sharing your findings with us over these past threads. I also think you said something about updating certain parts of the wiki. Thank you for that as well.

>>13603577
You're welcome anon (or Kai I suppose).

The wiki unfortunately has quite a bit of outdated information, so it's difficult to correct everything. I do try to correct things that are wrong when I see them though.

The spreadsheet I'm working on now (mentioned in >>13598896) will probably be the last big thing I work on. I've only been through the CHR, LER, WIL, and MAG skills so far, but it's a massive look at how experience gains for skills and attributes work, how much exp doing various actions grants to their respective skills, etc. Probably still a week or so more of work to do before I'm done though.

What level should I stop performing for the little girl swarm? My CHR is at about 100 and my performer is 50

>>13603644
Yeah that wiki is a mess, I appreciate it trying to keep vanilla and E+ separate but I wonder if its even worth the trouble at this point.

>>13603690
With your charisma and performance as it is now you should have no problems doing party quests. Should get on those to get those tickets. Good luck anon.

>>13603690
And don't forget to use ensemble (shift-W). It's 10 times more effective than playing alone.

For AP traits, does either brave or obstinate really outclass the other? Barrier is already a natural pick, but I'm torn on what else to get.

>>13603750
I don't have pets.
Well I have one, but she stays at home and doesn't have performer anyway.

I'll... I'll get around to it, I swear.

>>13603755

I know how that feels. I have an assload of pets, but I don't use any of them. I keep the older sister at home.

>>13603750
Ensemble makes party time too easy. I went from barely finishing the easiest ones to getting showered with music tickets in difficult parties as soon as I got it.

>>13603768
I have the Stradivarius. I still try to solo easier party quests but I fail at it hard.
If I ensemble for summoned Spell level 50+ spirits I can get around 3000 to 8000 points with only 1 pet and the hardest quest I found was asking for 600 points top.
>Ensemble makes party time too easy.

>>13603909

Man, that's crazy. I get about 500-2000 points depending on how lucky I am, but I don't have either of those. Those bards don't want to get that Stradivarius, so I've been using an ocarina.

>>13603927
Honestly. I find this still bad.
I was playing with a different character (golem gunner/thief) that had 6 pets. He had 100-ish charisma instead of my 222, 500+ speed instead of my 1027(AP grind, speed buff, no burden) and 40-ish perform instead of my 65. I was getting somewhere around 500 to 1000 tickets with him, but mostly 800-900.
I didn't summon spirits to parties with him, and I had no Necromancy groupies with me. I didn't even know that would work.
I have a strong suspicion that the number of pets and their perform/charisma has to do a lot in it.

How noticeable is the crit attribute? Wondering which one to put on my shotgun wielding pet.

>>13604058
Oops, forgot image.

>>13603962
Specifically, it's their performance (capped for each pet relative to your performance skill). I've got the details written down around here somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look for it.

Anyways, there is a total cap on ensemble (an additional +250 Performance skill), but that's so high that it literally only matters for high level summoned spirits.

>>13604083
Should I dominate some pianist pets to just summon them for parties? I'm thinking about demolishing my ranches. Damn things can't keep up with me.
I should have some free pet slots but I like to keep 5 or more empty rooms in case I come across a big daddy or a stray cat.

>>13603177
I really need to give my shopkeeper some gold so she can get more than 15/15 negotiation/charisma.
I just got the fairy that kumi gave me to run the shop and I swear I can vendor stuff for more than she sells it.

Can spells crit?

>>13604649
No.

>>13604063
Reasonably noticeable, and a one-hash marksman boost really isn't much to write home about either. Go with the neck guard.

>>13604605
Don't be afraid to replace shopkeepers frequently with better NPCs. It's a million times easier than training your shopkeeper. I'm about 2/3 the way on suggested wiki progression and the difference between low stats and high is gigantic.

>roll stats
Fuck this crap

>>13605260
Those 2 missing points in learning are really going to matter down the line, I'm sure.

>>13605299
I'm actually starting to think that the new best practice is to roll LOW for starting stats to tank your INI, so you can get AP easier.

>>13605338
A bit late on that mate, but good notion. all you really need to watch is your starting HP/MP and speed. Low vit,mag helps. Starting as predator won't... probably

>>13603754

I'm not sure how Obstinate works, but Brave is very, very risky. It doesn't start kicking in until you reach about half health, but once it kicks in, it kicks in hard. At 2000/7500 HP, my damage went from 4,000-8000 a hit to 5,000-10,000 a hit. At 700/7500 HP, it went up to 7,000-16,000 a hit.

>>13606051
There's a difference between bravery and madness. I wonder when it will be renamed to berserk.

>>13606248

You know what's mad? How much damage it lets you crap out. Holy hot damn.

>>13606260
Talk about glass cannon.

My wife revealed her yandere side today!

>>13606260
A viable play style, I like it, but bravery is not about cutting yourself.

>>13606260
Does it affect spell damage?

>>13606550

It does, my spell damage is shit though. One thing I noticed is that from what I can notice, damage doesn't go up gradually. There's different multipliers that activate depending on how much HP you have. I might be wrong though.

>>13606260
I just hit 1500 AP.
Think I should get that first then?

Why the hell are things evading my attacks and how can I hit them?

it this dependant 100% on hit rating?

Currently at 7d6+38 x6.6 (hit 159%) as a level 50 jackoff-of-all-trades. Marksman 47, eye of mind 36.

>>13607027

It depends not only on your hit rate, but on their evade rate.

>>13606640
What about spell HEALS?
Will that super boost healing rain in a pinch?

>>13607280

You just want me to throw more chestnuts at myself, don't you? Anyways, no it doesn't. Doesn't work on Prayer of Jure either. It only increases your damage.

>>13607027
Melee/Mageing myself, leveling mostly buffs which in turn levels me up so much more than actually fighting monsters does...and that's just from the support magic.

>>13606381
My pets have never given me chocolate. Do you have to check for it on your anniversary or on Feb 14 (I always check both)?

>>13597288
>>13596962
Do you guys keep them on eat ground food mode all the time?

My pets are stupid enough to eat undeads and harm their stats all the time.

Also why feed curariras? I thought they don't have stat gains?

>>13607619
Curaria totally have stat gains. Each one is worth ~1/8 of an (Herb) food.
Hand one to one of your pets and see what happens.

>>13607662
Herbed food is some crazy shit. I gave a herbed morgia + grand parfait to my pet and her life bar dropped to like 10% i'm assuming because she leveled up that hard. Was only level 10 at the time.

>>13607718

That's nuts. Maybe I should give that a shot, I feel like I've hit a brick wall since I can't beat Siva. My gardening is garbage though, and I'm so fast that the gardening quests take forever.

>>13607619
Dropping food on the ground is the way I feed my pets. If there is a better way I'd be interested in knowing it. I tried giving my pets food and I see it in their inventory but they never eat it. Anyhow, I usually keep my pets leashed so that they're usually within eye sight. If I see them start eating something I usually push them aside, drop a Curaria, and stand on the food I don't want them to eat so they'll go for the Curaria instead. Most of the time the change in their bar from red to blue is enough to alert me that they're hungry though. I suppose you could use the taming whip if you have a horrible problem with your ally/pet eating food you don't want them to eat as well.

>>13607738
What you need to do is temporarily lower your speed. When you reach your quota in the quest mount a very slow pet. I monster balled a snail which I mount for those quests.

>>13607838
I just wish I could tell them to stop picking up food but keep picking up gold/ores off the ground.

I guess once they get better at pickpocketing it wont matter. I just have no idea how much they're even stealing currently.

>>13607372
From the wiki:

Chocolate: In Elona+ (as of version 1.15) if your pet is female, at Soul Mate relationship or better, and you talk to her on the in-game day February 14, selecting this option will cause her to give you a chocolate. As of Elona+ version 1.21 pets of all sexes are capable of giving chocolate.

>>13607858

That does seem like a good idea. Now I just need to get my Gardening up. My stats aren't terrible but man, there's not much to do between where I'm at, beating Siva and then beating the gods.

>>13607864
The first option on the tamers' whip does exactly that

>>13598455
heh

How do weapon weights work? I got myself a Grandel. Not sure what I was expecting, but now my hit rate is in the poop, and I know the weapon weight/claymore weapon type has something to do with it. I also use shield tonfa and a gun.

>>13608437
Is it a different weapon type than what you were previously using? Weapon proficiency affects accuracy obviously.

>>13608437

I don't think weapon weight matters at all for accuracy except with Dual Wield or Two hand. I'm using the Grandel also and my hit rate is around 656%. Then again, I also have Two Hand pretty high up.

>>13608473
There's about a 10 level difference between my short sword (Black Monkshood) and long sword. Maybe that's doing it? It shows up as a 5% difference on my character sheet, I just feel like Elona is full of hidden mechanics and it wouldn't be the first time I'm caught with my pants down.

>>13608554
Is there a penalty for using a claw in one of my slots instead of wielding a "heavy weapon" two handed?

>>13608618

It's not really a penalty. It's more like since you don't have your other hand free, you don't get the Two Hand boost, if you even have Two Hand as a skill. My accuracy drops down to 429% if I use a claw with Grandel because I'm not taking advantage of Two Hand. On the plus side though, you get more stats and resistances and whatnot on the slot you use.

What's the best way to raise Constitution besides food? I've got 164 life but my Con is kinda pathetic, it makes it seem a bit wasted.

>>13609012
have enemies beat the shit out of you. Raise healing and armor skills at the same time.

>>13609012
Go mining. I usually stripmine forests for clovers.

>>13609052

I think I tried that, but I kept evading everything. Or maybe that was when I tried to get better with shields. I think I put on a lance and a shield, but ended up not getting any shield points.

>>13609059

Might be a good idea, but I don't know how fast it is. At the very least, I can mine like a crazy bastard since I used Houzanha a lot.

>>13609012
Eat a special steamed meat bun and:
Strip-mine forests (for additional luck);
Dual wield shields and let the monsters hit you;
Dual wield paper staves and attack some meatwall enemy forever

>>13609012
I overcast untill i'm near dead, and just Rest. Seems to keep my CON fairly high since I was training magic capacity anyway.

I'd imagine those god gifts the fuck your evasion and the spear that does no damage would help a lot.

>>13609144

I actually do have the Sasumata, I just don't know how it works. I always do 0 damage on every hit, but some hits give experience while others don't. It's weird.

>>13609180
I could be wrong on this but I think just using it at all trains the stat, while using it effectively trains the skill. So doing no damage likely wont train your Polearm.

That's just how i've come to understand some of the mechanics here. I'd wait until someone who knows what they're talking about chimes in before you go off and make a specialized arena just to use it.

>>13609240

Yeah, I'll probably wait a bit before then. I still need to get that 2,000 speed anyways, just 1,150 to go.

>>13600973

That's what I do and I already have 600 million+ gold to play with for potion of potentials and I only have 1600+ medals. I could get three of my stats to 4 digits anytime I want if only my skills aren't holding me back but raising speed is just really hard.

Getting another 1200 speed (or 1100 speed if you include irrelevant factors like speed uppers etc.) via medals would really take ages unless I missed an update?

>>13603768
>>13603750

What's the points cap for party quests without using spirits? Is it 13000+-14000+ points?

>>13604058
>>13604063

You should look for another amulets/pendants with a #####+ increased crit rate. They're kinda common when you're always hanging around at Noyel. Bonus points if they're Godly

>>13601672
>>13601672
>>13601881

Thanks for answering Kai but I'm doing exactly as what you're doing in the gathering small medals part but my medal count is still really bad.

I put up a preliminary version of the spreadsheet I was talking about in >>13598896.

If anyone wants to play around with it and throw some feedback at me, the post about it on the wiki with details/etc. is here: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:16301

Note that you'll have to make a copy of the document to play with any of the calculators, obviously.

>>13611622
This is pretty fantastic, great work.

>>13609012
I know I've risen my Con too stupidly high for my level since I'm so addicted to strip mining and eating lots of bread but anyway... The most efficient ways I can think of to train con up until its potential drops too rapidly would include:

1. Equipping both Green God Thorn (try overcasting/self-inflicted damage) and Sasumata god jewels (and yes it dose train the polearm skill) for endlessly training the skills attributed to Con.

2. Always make sure to bring lots of bread, corpse (preferably hamburger/steak) and potential potions wherever you are so that potential never suffers as you raise it the stat higher.

3. And possibly the best place to be to accomplice all this in one fell swoop would be the puppy cave as you can endlessly strip mine the constantly resetting maps over and over again and use enemies as makeshift elona vanilla sandbags (try walling them in).

Other methods I'm not too certain but wouldn't hurt to try would be to wear really heavy armor and equipment with low DV maybe so that some enemies could make a scratch, and having a shield in one arm (if your using the god jewel) and another in your shoot slot. Also if your alchemy is high enough and if you carry a kit with you, the materials gather-able within the puppy cave might be enough to make potential potions as I've heard low level dungeons are best for gathering materials, though I'm not entirely certain.

>>13611622
Does throwing potions not give alchemy experience?

>>13611847
Just tested it, it does. It falls under the 40exp one I have listed. I'll update the sheet.

Thanks. If you notice anything else missing, let me know.

>>13602761
So I think my game broke updating from 1.42 to 1.45. I've tried everything I can think of including talking to all quest related NPCs including the ones for the 3 parts before you can supposedly progress, including Marka, the deep sea princess and the guy at the North Tyris Border. Is anyone else unable to get past floor 7 of the Cradle of Chaos?

>>13611987
Tried resetting the maps the NPCs are on and the quest areas themselves?

Backup your save first.

>>13611987

I have that issue too. Not sure what it is considering the only update I did was from 1.44 to 1.45.

>>13611989
Reset the map but it didn't open the floor. The wiki says resetting a map doesn't reset quests so I'm assuming the something broke the quest since >>13611995 has the same problem as I do.

You have to go talk to Gavela in Melugas at some point before the stuff added in the last 1-2 patches. Have you guys done that yet?

>>13612177

Well, I talked to him, and nothing happened. Still can't get past it. Hell, I updated to 1.45 before I could even reach South Tyris. I'm not sure what I missed.

>>13612177
So I did some digging in the update logs for 1.42-1.45 and there seem to be 2 quests for Erystia that aren't listed in the main quest page. One is on the dock map given by a guy on the second floor and the other one is on the blimp. Both quests send you to specific maps to fight enemies and a boss. They aren't easy quests so I'm having a bit of trouble with them but I think this might be what I need to do to progress past the cradle of chaos floor I'm stuck on.

>>13612323
Update: That was what I was missing. Completed both quests and talked to Gavala and it seems I can advance the story now. Probably will get annihilated by the 10th floor boss though considering the 7th floor I had to go upstairs after every 3 spirit kills.

>>13612323

Which dock are you referring to? I found the blimp quest easily, but I'm not sure what the dock is. Still, I feel like I overtrained myself since I wasn't in much danger.

>>13612385
Oh sorry I was vague. I meant the dock in the North end of Lost Irva where the astronauts and androids are. I just read off what the guy said on the wiki. My character is only level 89 and I didn't really put much into grinding stats via herbs I mostly played dungeons which is probably why you didn't have trouble with the quests. Pic is of my stats which came mostly from playing without herbs

>>13612406

I actually haven't used herbed food much. I've just focused way too much on getting my strength and speed up as well as Tactics obsession.

>>13612417
The majority of my success comes from my party of an Older Dog sister, Defender, Valkyrie and Gwen all evolved and around the same level as me. Their stats aren't great but they're all equipped fully with artifact and godly level equipment. The dog sister is probably stronger than me at this point just because bows have better penetration than the Valkoinen Kuolema (sniper rifle from music tickets)

>>13612447

I've gone entirely solo. I put most of my platinum coins into Tactics. It's at 353 right now, but it's getting to the point where even at 300% potential I only get 0.001 point of experience for a hit.