/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Do I need to place each item in a different tile in the shop in order from them to be sold? Or can I drop everything in a single pile?

>>13499573
Nope, single tile is fine.
Personally use a new pile every time I enter my shop. Makes it easy to keep track of items that can't be sold and what not.

>>13499587
How do you design your shop? Or did you leave it with the default appearance?

>>13499610
I only started the pile thing a bit ago, so it's still just a giant box. I did put a cute little office for my shop keeper in the corner though. Added a little door and a chair with the register and safe. Even a potted plant.

>>13499624
Won't the girl just sell the chair and the potted plant?

So once you have enough kumi statues and what not, you still don't eat the little sisters right? Killing them reduces the chance of a big daddy showing up?

>>13499700
Nah, they don't sell furniture.

Is there a way to protect myself from whatever invisible asshole mob is throwing high potions or cursed whatever that lowers all my stats?

losing my blessed restore buffs is fucking annoying.

>>13499774
If you can't see invisible and aren't willing to pinpoint their location, then it's better to leave the area.

>>13499774
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Lucky_Dagger
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Sage%27s_Helm

Or you can throw a potion to the ground and hope that the invisible creature passes through the puddle. This causes them to get wet which reveals where and what they are.

>>13499774

You should have a ranged weapon/magic regardless of your class right? Use the * button in your numpad to guess. Well even if you don't have one, you should still have a pet unless you're solo'ing.

>>13499718
Yes, killing big daddy harms the number of little sisters that show up.

It caps after you kill 10, at which point their chance to spawn is <3%. Base is 6.6%.

Code snippet:

var_1501 = limit(15 + var_64(810) * 2, 15, 35)
if ( var_127(7) == 1 ) {
if ( rnd(var_1501) == 0 ) {
flt
var_929 = limit(var_64(22), 30, 300)
var_1266 = 1
characreate -1, 318, -3, 0
}
}

var_127(7) == 1 checks to see if you're in a valid area (dungeon). var_64(810) is how many little sister's you've killed. 318 is the internal ID for Big Daddy. The rest should be self-explanatory.

>>13499991
Err, killing little sisters harms to the chance of big daddies showing up lol

Sorry for the typo.

>>13499991
I guess the decrease isn't as bad as I thought. Wouldn't eating little sisters be viable, then?

Just did a level 760 awakened dungeon (it was really pushing it. I got lucky). I don't know if I dodged a single hit, and I have 1456 DV with buffs. Is it just the silly high level monsters or does DV drop off eventually?

I don't know how much more I can grind holy shield.

>>13500097
DV and evasion is considered to have dropped off considerably by late South Tyris and most definitely by Lost Irva.

If you're doing a fucking level 760 awakened dungeon it's pretty much worthless already. Enemy hit chances are now so huge they pretty much cannot miss ever.

>>13500105
Maybe they should buff DV in some update?

>>13500105
Well shit. Fairy drops off pretty hard then I guess, the resists are still nice though.

Oh well. I can almost beat the inner gods now. Hell I might be able to now but I want Frisia's tail first.
Soon I can kill Mani and finally be done with this game.

I'm almost free anons. I'm almost free.

>>13500111
Make sure to post pictures and tell of your strategy then. Also interested in what crazy stuff happens in these fights.

>>13500180
I was planning on it. I wasn't about to plot and grind for hundreds of hours, well, thousands over several characters, and then not attention whore about it.

Honestly though, I'm expecting one of us to completely wreck the other. I think it'll be decently one sided. I've never been good at telling when I'm ready for a fight since you're almost always fighting something with way more stats than you.

It's not Deus Ex Manina's stats or health that scare me. It's the skill levels and the fact that he's using an inner god weapon. Considering this was my entire goal I really shouldn't have picked fairy. I might pick up barrier specifically to make sure I don't get one shot.

do rotten fish give full favor with ehkeltal or only fresh?

>>13500193
rotten is ok

>>13500188
Also interested in seeing you kill Mani. Me and my little girl will be cheering you on.

Can Preaching convert your own pets?

Why is fishing so damn monotonous.

>>13500215
Thank you for believing in me. I'll make you proud.

Seriously though, how is your speed so high? You have almost double my base speed. How? I get silly amounts of medals from wizards harvest but they aren't enough to make a dent in that much. I'm also investing hundreds of skill points into swimming to raise it. You must have some secret.

>>13500238
To imitate real life. Did you set auto turn speed to fastest?

>>13500219
Yep

>>13500242
All I do is just rush dungeon bosses for medals and turn it in for hermes potions, drink potions of speed upper, eat raw shoes when I can, and have the feat kokou. I started my gathering of medals, little sisters for Kumi statues, and farms as soon as I could which accounts for why I'm where I am now. I don't really level much myself because I'm at the moment tending a lot to my farms and boss rushing.

No doubt it takes awhile to get enough medals but that's just how it is. I'm also doing the same thing for my pet. AP farming her speed and going to have to start setting her up for hermes potions. It's going to suck having to do the farming all over again though.

You might be amazed with my speed but I'm amazed with your spells and their levels. I would love to have my magic storm up to your level but that too takes time I imagine. Anyhow, grats with your character and looking forward to how powerful you get.

I'm a lich. Why do I need to eat? and Even if I do, where does all the food go? Am I not "just" a floating skeleton in fancy robes?
Don't get me wrong, I love to eat herbed herbs, I love it being forced to grind cooking to a level where it nets me 200k/dungeon to sell all the steaks. It's just weird...

>>13499555
murder most foul!

>>13500215
Oh! Her stats are coming along quite nicely! Soon enough she will take all your kills and you will be forced to send her home for a while.

>>13500500
Yeah I know what you mean. It's kinda frightening how fast pets come to power. I may need to do exactly what you said in the future with shelving her while I catch up. Maybe train a different pet too during that time.

>>13500538
It's possible to train several pets at once with having only one of them out and the rest in town.
I plan on raising a potion thrower and a defender next to my dragon and maybe one more and have them out if I need more firepower or for party time quests. I really don't want to repeat having a small army next to me, but use only one pet and it's going to train ridiculously fast.

Currently my dragon has overcome me on my newer character and there's no indication of him stopping to do that.

>>13500580
I might want to give a defender a go as well for next pet to train. Grats on your dragon btw. I may want to take up a dragon too. They look like they have tons of health.

>>13500580
I must add the last gene I added to that pet was a lvl 41 Red Dragon that I had to bump up with some random mob I dominated in Lesimas for it to yield stats

>>13500605
They do, I made him my martial artist so he can have 2 shields or tonfas. It was hard to change his best resist to nether but he's rather strong now. Currently soloing level 230+ groups in the pet arena and gaining enough gold from pickpoket to train 3-4 times per match.

Does anyone have a list of furniture that can store items?

currently have a potion rack and a bookcase are there any others?

>>13500002
It's more than a 50% total decrease, which is pretty harsh. You'd also be nerfing yourself if they ever add anything else that's worth spending all your little sisters on. Still up to you obviously, but I'd think about it before I decided to do it.

The little sister corpses fall off as well. I've got the details written down somewhere. I think it's on my USB stick at work (on lunch atm). I'll post the exact details when I get back in ~5 hours.

>>13500659
Freezer and show case of bread.

Is it possible to find Living claws?

>>13500930
Claws are considered as armor and shield (no cast penalty though). These can not become living because these are not weapons.

>>13500215

>>13500215

How is your hit multiplier (27.9) for your sniper so high but your hit rate is so low? Like you lack 180-200% more to match that 27.9

>>13501296
Don't know anon. If I had to guess maybe it's due to my weapon? The Valkoinen Kuolema has a hit penalty.

So I'm testing out Barrier as a 100% spell caster. Never shot my ranged weapon and only killed snails and putits by accident with melee. So an empty mana bar means I'm pretty screwed.

At 30,000 health and 80,000 mp, I'll say it's still a bit risky. You drain your mana pretty quickly in high level awakened dungeons, but you're also completely invincible for quite some time. I'd definitely recommend trying it out. You'll want to get your magic device up for more mana from rods though.

I feel like it would be garbage early on, but once you hit a certain point it definitely takes the edge off having a low health pool.

Just for anyone thinking of trying it.

>>13500285
That's a lot of dungeons. I spend a lot of time just grinding my spell levels and what not but I didn't realize it was that big a difference.

I'm kind of cheating on the spell levels. Once a potential is high enough I just hold the button down either with my finger, or recently my wallet, while reading berserk or cooking food. Just rotate like that.

>>13502507
I should add that my marksman is outpacing my firearm because I'm spending AP points on skill bonus and shoving all my points into marksman.

>>13502584
I would not blame you for holding down the key or using something to hold down the key considering how huge your mana bar is.

>>13502584
Little update on barrier.
Ok nevermind, it's amazing. I still feel like early on it would be a liability, but once you get enough MP it's incredible.

I'm in a level 850ish awakened right now. Something I wouldn't be able to dream of doing before I got barrier. It makes you so incredibly tanky. This is also one of the most ridiculous floors I've been on in any dungeon, regardless of level. There's a good 2 rooms entirely full of poison hounds (my lowest resistance). Endless skeletons and shine ogres too. I'm convinced I either got every room to be one of those swarmy rooms, or there are a bunch of summoner mobs hiding out of view.

Regardless of that though barrier is letting me keep going. It's a struggle and I've had to make myself a little home base here to recover mana, but it's making it possible. I definitely recommend any mages who haven't tried it, or maybe did early and decided they didn't like it, to try it once they get enough mana to have excess by the end of the floor. It's great.

>>13503129
Nice, thanks for the update on barrier. It's good to have some information on how it handles later on in the game. So once you have mana to burn it becomes a useful trait to have. I'll make note of that.

>>13503159
No problem.
It does still have drawbacks, but they're pretty easy to mitigate. When I first got it I got really over confident and let my MP drain too far. Some liching to recover mana is helpful. I'd also recommend devoting most of your skill points to magic devise for rods of mana. I've put my last 1000 or so toward swimming, and although it's a nice speed boost I think they would have been better put to magic device. Oh well.

I just can't wait to see how tanky this makes me once I get Frisia's tail. Just 140 levels to go now. Though maybe I could beat her instead of using an astral light pen? Either way I can't cast wish again for a bit, might as well wait.

>>13503225
Yeah I'll probably look into raising magic device as well. For now I have a technique that's like a cheap man's version of a mana rod. What I do is sandbag an enemy and use Itzpalt's special ability of absorb magic. When my sp runs dry I just use the drain blood ability/feat to restore sp and do absorb magic until my mana is full.

>>13503280
Not a bad idea. I keep forgetting to raise my favor with him, only at about half max. I'll do that now, thanks for reminding me.

Actually, on that topic: Does regeneration regenerate mana? I mean, it does health and stamina right? The spell description isn't very detailed.

>>13503293
Don't know never really tried using regeneration for mana.

>>13503293
No it doesn't. IIRC it only touches health and stamina. Which is sad because originally that's why I even started leveling it.

>>13503443
Ah well. I mean Stamina can be converted to mana I guess. Refilling rods of mana or quick using them. Still, would have been nice.

>>13503460
True

Is it possible to convert an originally melee ally into one that only uses ranged even at close range?
For example once i had an android, gave her 2 claws and Mani's shotgun. She kept closing in then went for a punching game.

Currently I'm working on a potion thrower miss vamp who I wish to only throw her panties. I don't really want to mess around with "Proper Distance +1" but I can't see any option on the wiki to tell her to use only throwing. What I'm looking for is some type of "seal melee" option. Is there none?

>>13503482
Maybe the increased frequency of ranged battle style?

I find myself needing insight scopes. Maybe 2 or 3, but more would be good.
I've only found them in dungeons, and only 2 in the hundreds of dungeons I've done. Are there any easier ways to get them?

>>13503621
Well invested general vendors can sometimes carry them. All in all the insight lens are rare items. Alternatives to the lens are to use the informer npc in town or to use the gene machine. After you fuse a creature to your pet you should see the stat sheet.

>>13503670
Alright thanks, I'll go invest at some general stores.
I need them to look at hostile monsters, so the usual pet routes won't work.

Any recommended or interesting pet evolutions that don't involve god hearts? I'm staring down a baby fire dragon right now, and I'm considering capturing it because they're so few and far between.

>>13503505
It seems to work. I might need to give her 1 rank into "Shoot, damn you! Don't run around like a decapitated chicken!"

>>13503692
The baby fire dragon is a good choice. Tons of health after evolutions and put the effort to train them. I know some other anons that really liked the destroy boar. Nice stats and some good abilities make it an excellent melee attacker.

>>13503692
I always wanted to try out the young lady, the penguin or an archer yeek.
I once saw a guy raising a hermit crab in /rlg/ and it wreckt shit.
Those 2 golems you can make with a pot of fusion seem quite nice as well.

>>13503766
That's me in regards to the Destroy Boar.
Honestly though, I do hesitate to recommend it now that I know more about pets. You're going to have much better luck raising one from very low levels. If you could evolve a young boar from puppy cave, that would be a different story.

Destroy Boar is amazing as a temporary pet though. Just with the AP system and all that, since you get it so late it's not really permanent pet material. Its main strengths are that it comes with crazy stats, shadow step, and charge. You can add all those to another pet that has other abilities too. Also if you're a mage with magic storm or have a mage pet, it's going to interrupt the boar's charge constantly.

I wish I could recommend some starter pets but I've never raised one from the start, at least not properly.

>>13503818
The golems are pretty neat. I like the idea of crafting them too. I just think it's a bit odd that you need to already be established before you can craft them. I mean obviously you can make them catch up to you, but it seems counter intuitive.

>>13503830
>If you could evolve a young boar from puppy cave
I was looking for you! Good news! since 1.44 you CAN!

>>13503948
Oh fuck really? What abilities and stats does it gain? That's really good news. Any other new evolutions to speak of?

I actually have yet to update to 1.44. I probably should though to continue the main story a bit. I'll do that next chance I get.

I'll make sure to get one on my next character, who will definitely be a pet master. Hopefully that will be a long ways off though.

>>13503962
Can't find the detailed change log. And the page with the evolutions hasn't been updated since a while ago, but when I upgraded to 1.44 I read that log. You know the one is usually in the comment section on the wiki. That's where I saw it. The child boar got an evolution.

>>13504027
Ahh there we go. Found it.
elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:15961
>Other than the above, the child boar can be evolved into a wild boar, and then further into a big pig.

Has anyone made a murder knight work well as an ally?

I need some rods of wishing. Since I can't get them from farming or wizard's harvest anymore, I have no idea where to start looking. Just high level dungeons?

>>13504213
Ah thanks. Seems like a relatively big patch. I'm still so surprised Elona+ gets a decent amount of updates. Glad though.

Does charge attack effect spells as well?

>>13504428
Yes, for your attack spells like magic dart.

>>13504483
Including meteor?

>Non-bobblehead sprite sheet (Check /rlg/ on /vg/ for most recent version).

Well, where's it?

What do you guys stock your shops with?

does cooked food rot?

>>13504695
I stock my shop with a lot of the magical item drops from dungeon bosses.

>>13504496
I can't tell with meteor. Either the first few targets are affected by charge or none of them are.

>>13504761
Ah well. What about with special actions? Say, over-ray? Mana burst?

>>13504695
Cooked food can rot. It just takes longer compared to uncooked food.

>>13504764
No, doesn't work.

>>13504784
Damn, there goes that. Oh well. Guess I can still charge up then magic storm.

>>13504788
Charge does work on magic storm but it will only apply to your first use of it. Just keep that mind if you regularly spam magic storm. Basically, charge is a great for delivering killing blows. So if you stack magic equip and charge your first spell cast after all of that will hurt a lot.

>>13504695
As long as you leave it on the floor of your shop it shouldn't rot.

>Can no longer get rod of wishing from wizard harvest
>Spam wizard harvest
>Get 20 treasure maps
>Get rod of wishing from digs

Heh

>>13504969
I'm thinking it'll also be useful for liching, and enemies that heal as quickly as you damage them. I'm sure I can find some interesting uses for it beyond that too.
Getting hit interrupts it right? Has to be a clean 10 turns?

Does spellcasting actually scale nowadays? I'm so accustomed to being a gunner that when I see people mentioning going wizard, I think there must be some clever trick. Or is this an endgame thing, where you need 300 levels in casting for it to be comparable to a weapon?

>>13505222
Yes, see >>13503129
Spell casting is strong as fuck.

>>13505222
I'm a gunner that spell casts. I did both right out of the gates but anyone at any point can pick up spell casting. The only trick is getting the necessary skills such as literacy, casting, meditation, memorization, etc, leveling up your spells, and maybe joining the mages guild so you can reserve spell books.

earlygamefag here, what's barrier? Is it an AP skill?
Wiki isn't helping, sadly.

>>13505825
Yes, it's an AP skill. You can read more about it if you put AP in the search engine of the wiki. Should be the first link that shows up and just scroll down to Feats available for AP. Barrier is listed there.

>>13505870
Thanks anon!

>>13500889
Sorry, I completely forgot I was supposed to post this. Alright, so here's the details on little sister corpses.

When eating a corpse, this check is done. I'll use Life in the example here, but the same check is true for mana.

rnd(BaseLife * BaseLife + 1) < 2000)

(rnd is a random number between 0 and the number in parenthesis-1)

If that check passes, you gain a point of Life (and then the check is done again for mana). You can see how the chance of a life/mana up drops hard as your base values increase.

For the skills, it's a flat 1-10% increase to all of their potential (random for each stat).

modgrowth var_242, cnt, rnd(10) + 1

Where var_242 is the eater, cnt is the current value of the loop (looping through skill IDs), and rnd(10) + 1 means a random number between 0-9 +1.

>>13506293
Do you have a source code link? I'd really love to look around.

>>13506504
You'll have to use a decompiler.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:13166

Run that on the exe and you should get three files. Start.ax, scene2.hsp, and scene3.hsp. Scene 2 is the English cutscene file (only has the prologue scene), Scene 3 is the Japanese cutscene file, and Start.ax is the game's code. Run the decompiler again on Start.ax and you should get a Start.hsp file.

The start.hsp is the decompiled source, so have fun exploring~

>>13506598
What's it written in?

>>13506626
HSP. Hot Soup Processor. If you have a background in other programming languages, it shouldn't be too hard to understand.

>>13506598
How can you be alive without renaming the variables?

>>13506598
Oh and thank you~

>>13506760
Because I only look at specific snippets at a time, and write down what each part of what I'm looking at is when I'm going through it. It gets much easier as you go along.

For complicated stuff, I do re-name the variables as I go through it. See:

http://pastebin.com/TRhmSjFi

For stuff I've been through before or isn't too complicated, it's not necessary:

http://pastebin.com/EEC6shXH

(Note that those pastebins are set to C++ only for highlighting)

>>13499555
Whenever they kill the boss I really do want to kill those fuckers, because they make me feel like a pansy next to them.

I never end up going through with it though, because obviously if one of those guys can take on alone what I need a couple allies to fight, they're probably doing a good job of protecting those girls anyways.

>>13509012
You should at least give it a try anon. A death isn't a huge deal in the long run but a bit of extra life/mana/seeds is a pretty great thing to have. Keep in mind that their biggest strength is their tankyness. They are extremely slow and often don't hit all that hard.

First use pickpocket on them to see what kind of weapon they have. look up the lowest-damage range of that weapon and stay in that area. You can also pickpocket their bullet if you're feeling confident enough for that. You usually only have to worry too much if they have a really good gun, like one that invokes a ball spell or something. Those always suck.

>>13509025
Nah, I mean it's more of a matter of "I think I can leave the girl with him" rather than me shitting my pants.

I can thrash one pretty hard by myself, moreso when there's backup, but it's somewhat ungrateful to kill someone that just beat the dungeon boss for me, I think, and that like I said, they must be doing a good job.

I really do hope absorb magic get better as I gain favor with the old Itz... I just converted from Ehekatl and this skill is rubbish. I guess I am to blame...

>>13509181
All the god skills are rubbish when you've just converted. Except Lulwy's Trick, that one's always OP.

>>13509181
I'm on Itz right now. I got all his rewards, as well as all the other rewards from the other gods, and have stayed with him because the only other god that interests me is Kumi for his stamina perk. Don't really know if I'll convert to Kumi or not though.

Anyhow, Itz's absorb magic is a decent ability. Since it's tied to stamina, as far as uses go, you'll need to actually be quite leveled to get the most of it(leveling is one way to increase your max stamina). The amount of mana gained is nice for emergencies. Such as gaining enough at one time to cast an emergency Jure Healing or Teleport.

>>13509407
I went with Kitty because the extra luck and the random spell costs that tend to be less than the usual. I started to run out of SP because I got to the point where i could switch from magic arrow to crystal spear and then magic ball. I figured it's now or never. The elemental resists are also nice.

But currently I get around 600-1000 mana back from rods, around 200-300 from scrolls and lol 30 from Itzie-bitzy. My first thought was to ditch the old perv but I figured I give him a chance.

My stamina is 175 right now and I can drain the blood of my 10000 kg pet dragon.

>>13509407
>>13509485
For some long term numbers I'll give you this:

My magic device is at 315. Rods recover around 8k for me.
My favor is at 14000, his ability recovers about 1k.

It's definitely not bad. I like to use it on floors of awakened dungeons where "Nefia was released!" keeps interrupting my rest to recover mana while walled in or between floors. It also saves quite a bit of tedium with managing drawing and filling charges. Lulwy or Ehekatl might be the better choice at this point though. Still, his favor is stupid easy to raise. I'd even say easier than the ore gods.

>>13509485
Haven't maxed out my favor with Itz but currently my absorb magic is 18d61 so I pull in somewhere between 18 to 1098 mana.

>>13509521
Its Itzpalt I went for first then Kumi.
Rods are THE most common reward you get from every town quest when you're too weak to do dungeons. On my previous char, Char I went for Lulu, I had 7 or 8 pages of rods in a storage when It said I can't store anymore. After I found out townguards love sushi and booze for their bows and was done with Lulwy, the rods were enough to gain all 3 presents. I didn't farm for rods or had high carpentry, just quests.

Rate me /jp/
I want to put more ribbons in her hair but the sprite might be too cluttered if I add too many details! Decisions.

>>13509642
9/10. Cute character but -1 due to ghost. Ghosts are scary.

>>13509702
Well she IS a ghost, but a really, really cute one. You should try out mana khemia sometime anon, that's where she's from.

>>13509715
8/10
-1 for not being original.

>>13509715
I'm sure she is a ghost and I'm going on a limb and going to say she's a terrible cook. Being a ghost and being cute are two strikes at being a good cook if anime games have taught me anything.

>>13509727
Y-you too

>>13509733
I honestly don't remember that detail, maybe anon, maybe.

>>13509642
Go forth Pamela Ibis! Show the world, the Elona world at least, that cute ghosts can cook!

>>13509842
I can't cook YET, but soon. I have all the time in the world after all.

>mfw I encounter a Mega Mole boss in a Tower floor that has no walls

>>13509932
>The boss is a bomb rock

10 more levels.
10 more levels and Frisia's tail is mine. I might even have enough flying scrolls for Buster Book before long.

Then I will be complete.

I kinda wish certain weapon types would get buffs.
Specifically Blunt and Staves.
Blunt could use SOME pen% because it would make sense honestly.
Staves could use... something? Goddamn, such a shitty weapon type.

>>13510064
forgot to add, don't mean any artifacts in particular, just the general weapon type, mostly the generic types.

>>13510064
I believe staves were originally meant for defense.
Whips are probably staves only because Ano couldn't put it somewhere else.
I would like to see more types of base blunt weapons though. IfI could I would dual wield a kitchen knife and a frying pan.

>>13510083
>I would dual wield a kitchen knife and a frying pan
That sounds like a great idea
Perfect for my pet that cooks

>>13510083
they're not really very defensive though, are they? And basically the weakest weapon type right now.

I just like using different stuff depending on the character i'm playing from time to time, for roleplaying purposes mostly, but would be nice if some things were a bit more up to snuff. If it were up to me I'd always go martial arts or dual wielding daggers.

IT IS TIME

>>13510865
Good luck anon.

I may have overgrinded for this

>>13510873
Thank you. I'll need it for that 80% contingency mewmewmew

Time to shove gifts down her throat

>>13510895
Woops

>>13510883
Sweet. Looks like you'll beat her.

Right, now to actually try and kill her. I'll send the pet version home so even if I die I can get frisia's tail, which was the main goal. Still, I have an inner god here. Might as well try.

Wish me luck anons.

new player here. Do you guys have a recommended order of purchase for properties, and where to place them?

I was thinking farm first inbetween Pamina and Vernis, and a home property near the embassy.

Damn teleport prevention. I might be fucked here.

Welp. It was the teleport prevention that got me. I might have stood a chance if not for that.

I wonder if she'll still be hostile when I go back to get my stuff?

>>13510922
My order was shop first because I wanted to make extra gold off of the loot I found in dungeons I didn't need. I then set up a few farms. The extra gold generated from my shop and gold generated from dungeon diving I used to buy a small castle. Anons have put their castles all over the place so go ahead and put your castle where you want it. Near the embassy is fine. You'll want your house/castle so you can start setting up magic vendors in it. After your house you can then set up a museum and a store house...then it's just creating a lot of farms if you're interested in getting herbs.

Oh well, mission accomplished!
Equipping this won't be easy though, especially on a fairy. Good thing I spent hours and hours grinding for over 50 flying scrolls!

I'm keeping her in my pet tab too. I mean why not.

>>13510942
I hope she's not hostile. How did she manage to stop you from teleporting? Does she use mist of silence or is it some crazy ability?

I actually did my math wrong. I had more than twice as many flying scrolls as I needed. This means come november I'll summon izzy and get his buster book.

Also
>that mana increase

It's going to be hard getting to the cap on spell power multiplication though. I wish I knew exactly how much the claw multiplies it by. The wiki just says it gives 600 points, not how much it multiplies by.

>>13510998
She was hostile, but I was fast enough. Thank goodness.
I think she just has an aura that stops it or something. Same thing as in awakened dungeons that sometimes just don't let you. This means that if I want to beat her I'll need a lot more speed to let me keep my distance. I know that if I can manage to stay out of melee range I'll have her beat.

>>13510918
You can give gifts to hostile enemies?

>>13511080
Yep, its main purpose is to be able to use astral light pen on them

Hey I started as a Juere and the slower digestion racial feat is starting to annoy me. Is there some way of changing my race availible in game? I'd probably change my guy into an Elea.

That said I figure I could just edit my save to change that one detail through Elosnack, but I don't really want to set myself up to start cheating, and I'm not sure if changing the race by itself would do anything regarding the feat.

>>13511019
Good job anon. Alright, so your level is 602 with stats around 400 with your core/class stats around 600. Buffed stats around 500 with core/class stats around 800. Main spells are magic storm, every buff you can think of, contingency, and cure of Jua? Any others? Can't use teleportation against Ehetatl. Any other notes about the fight that we should be aware of?

Seriously all of this stuff needs to go in the pastebin or wiki so that other players can gauge what they need or have to be like to kill a god. It would be pretty cool to have like a memorial wall of sorts of players that killed a god. I'm pretty excited to see a person document their fight with a god. I haven't really found any good documentation on god fights in awhile aside from you and the Barbatos(?) guy from last thread.

Again, grats anon.

>>13511102
Do you need to use incognito beforehand? Are they even fooled by it?

>>13511131
Thanks Kai.
To kill the base god it actually would have taken a lot less. She barely scratched me and it only took a few magic storms to bring her down.
I gave her another test run (cast return before engaging since I didn't intend to last). Seems it is an aura that doesn't let you teleport. When I was about 4 spaces away I could teleport but once she got closer I couldn't.

I'll make sure to document when I kill izzy, and when I re-challenge the inner gods. My problem right now is getting enough wishes to do that. Just a few hundred more speed and I think I could take her.

>>13511138
Nope, and no idea.
Best part is gift spamming doesn't even take up a turn. You can give them 1000 gifts and they won't be able to attack while you do so. Keep in mind they'll still be hostile even at soulmate. Another thing to note is that you can't see when relationship level goes up with hostiles. So if you're say, copying an inner god for one of their stupid broken weapons and don't want to get minced, it's worth it to expend a few extra gifts juuuuuust to make sure.

>>13511174
Cool, thanks for the info anon. Will look forward to your future fights.

>>13511131
Oh, I forgot to answer your spell question.

I use magic dart and magic storm for offense. I use dart instead of bolt because if I'm keeping them out of range of storm, then it's a battle of attrition and dart has better damage per mana than bolt on single targets. That's definitely the reason and totally not because I was to lazy to grind up crystal spear, I promise, definitely.

I use slow as my debuff but I haven't taken the time to level it too much. It has definitely lagged behind but it still finds use when I'm fighting a level 900 atlas or something. It's really good and I should put the effort in to level it. Short teleport, cure of jua, then everything else is buffs. Holy light as well but that isn't on my bar. I also have summon spirits around level 300. They aren't useful in combat (though I might try dominating some) but they make level grinding extremely fast. I can literally gain 7 levels in 30 seconds with them that high. Also wizard's harvest, but that's a given.

>>13511106
Don't think there is a way to change your race later in the game. Elosnack seems like the only way for you at this current time. How are you in the game? If you're not that far maybe rerolling your character is in order. If you're against hacking your character and you're further along in the game maybe making a gene might be a good idea?

>>13511283
Alright I'll definitely take note of all of this. Thanks anon.

>>13511106
Never mind, that didn't even take a minute to figure out, I feel kinda bad for asking about it in the first place.

But, regarding snack, I don't wanna use that again, but if there's anyone here that programs, I don't that much, but I'd like to confirm whether or not the information regarding things exclusive to Elona+ like say, AP and AP feats, are stored after the values that vanilla elona would use.

What I'm trying to say is, the value governing AP would also be in the file that has the values for gold and platinum coins, and the values regarding whether or not someone has the AP feats would be in the file containing the info for which character has which feats, but all the information regarding things exclusive to Elona+ would be after all the values that would be present in both elona and elona+ right?

I'm in a hurry of sorts. I might retype this post later to make more sense.

>>13511304
I am pretty deep in South Tyris right now, and I'd likely end up quitting if I attempted to start over and remake this character. I think of my use of Elosnack as a necessary evil of sorts.

>>13511362
I'm curious though, why does the Juere slower digestion racial feat bother you? Is it because you're not able to eat as much herbed food? If the problem is trying to consume as much herbed food as possible what you can do is go to the puppy caves and let a hungry ghost nibble on you. That should make you hungry fast so you can then goggle stuff down quicker.

>>13511383
err gobble lol

>>13509715
and all the arland ateliers as well

>>13511383
how about creating a custom NPC with the metal race (for high speed) and the touch of hunger action?

I've finally managed to create a level 2 mutant with 15 hand slots by playing with version upgrades and using wonder body formers. Is there any melee weapon class that is significantly better than the others (ignoring weight because I'm going to use flying scrolls)? I'm leaning towards longswords because of the Grandel's remote blow and the pierce on katanas and lightsabres, but I've never made a melee character so I'm fairly clueless.

>>13511400
Certainly would be good against speedier characters. Would be bad against a character just starting out though. One second he sees the monster then the next his character just turns into a puddle of blood with a message saying you starved to death. New players would be so confused lol.

Frisia's tail day 1:
I am slowly starving to death waiting for my mana bar to fill up. I have consumed 20 herbed herbs and have had to start into eating artifact seeds. Corpses on the ground couldn't possibly sustain me.
I have gained 70 levels of meditation in 5 dungeon levels with no signs of stopping.

Please send food. SOS.

>>13511704
Going hungry sucks but look on the bright side. Your barrier is now even better with all that extra mana! Just don't turn into a fairy lich now. Worried that starvation will waste you away until you become just bones!

>>13511823
Barrier is making some ridiculous things possible. The dungeon I was in was level 1200. That's just silly. The boss was a real challenge but it got done.

Now i need to farm up a bunch more herbs though. I'll start keeping a bunch of curaria in my 4d pocket. I honestly went down to 1 artifact seed that dungeon. I thought I was going to have to bail.

>>13511397
Yeah, I just thought her mana khemia design was the one that stood out the most and the cutest, but personal preference.

>>13511383
It's nice sometimes, but I have so many damn eggs from having five ranches, and I might make another one because I really like eggs. They never rot on me. Basically there's a lot of good food that goes to waste because I don't have space to cram it in, and that translates to lower stats, which is unacceptable.

Worst comes to worst I had enough sense to make a backup of my character pre-elosnack, so I can just use that if hunger starts being an issue.

>>13511856
Aren't the dungeons you get dependent upon the highest level of dungeon you've cleared? Hopefully you didn't screw yourself over by beating a dungeon that's too tough.

>>13511962
Nah, I did a 1300 or so dungeon awhile ago to see how the loot was. It wasn't awakened but it still made most dungeons show up at 1000+ on my map. Besides, the awakened one was mostly a challenge because of the boss, a glare tiger. I mean I'll only get stronger from here (and once my meditation catches up I'll starve a bit less) so I doubt it'll be an issue.

>>13509642
Hey, that's pretty neat 10/10. What program are you using for sprite editing? I've done a little bit in gimp but its mostly just recoloring, patching and pasting the default sprite parts together.

I just took down a level 92 dungeon with my level 66 character. I don't think levels are a good measure of strength because they aren't exactly stats, but still when I picked up this game back in middle school I wouldn't have ever imagined doing such a thing, let alone getting to level 50.

Elona is about exponential growth. You start out weak as piss, a snail could beat you. As you play you hit a bunch of growth periods where you get a silly amount stronger.

Also knowledge and preparedness. Gotta learn those.

>>13512181
Was meant for
>>13512165

>>13512189
I haven't checked the formulas for how stats and skill factor exactly influence a character's actions, but Elona actually hasn't struck me as a game with significant exponential growth.

I was going to say that I thought the stat growths didn't heavily influence individual things, like how Strength has less of an effect on melee damage than tactics, but, I think I have some math to do to see how quickly a character grows.

>>13512367
It's not about how quickly your stats go up. It's about what opportunities and resources become available, and more readily available to you. Herbed food is a good example of this, as are potions of potential.

>>13512367
I can tell you stats do have an influence on damage. I'm a gunner and my damage multiplier is 28.5 currently. Some of that has come from my dexterity. What's telling that stats matter though is my melee multiplier of 20.4. From the outset of the game I have not actively trained any melee oriented skill yet it's that high partly because of my high strength(341)

Can I become a prostitute in this game?

>>13512550
You can. You first give your mark some crim ale to loosen them up a bit then you ask them if they want some tail for the night. You can make a lot of money doing it as well if you're that kind of person. Just be careful, some of your clients may make you sick, an actual status ailment in the game but that's where blessed healing potions come into play.

>>13511019
>The wiki just says it gives 600 points, not how much it multiplies by.

600 points is 0.6x multiplier. It caps at 1500 points total for 1.5x additional (for a 2.5x total). Magic Equip increases total by an additional 20%, for 3.0x total.

>>13511704
>I have gained 70 levels of meditation in 5 dungeon levels with no signs of stopping.

Meditation level is capped by your current magic, and meditation is one of the few skill in which the amount of experience gained scales as it levels. Same with Regeneration and Constitution (temporary buffs apply, of course). Assuming you were capped before, you now have an additional 691 possible levels of meditation to gain. Have fun!

>>13511019
>>13511704
With those meditation levels, I'm guessing your magic also went up some.

How much damage would you do with a charged overray if you managed to get pets with an accumulative magic of your magic times 10?

Actually can overray be charged?

>>13512643
Specifically, the amount of xp gained every time you get a mana tick is 5 + Meditation. Same is true for Regeneration (5 + Regeneration). That ensures it keeps leveling quickly all the way to 2000. In fact, at level 800, every single mana gain is giving you Meditation xp equivalent to the amount that herbed food gives to attributes.

Is there a way to get a BBQ without a wish? Levelling cooking is going painfully slow so I want to put a BBQ at my farm so I don't have to transport veggies and fruits back and forth.

>>13513465
Yes. pickpoket it in a party time quest after to teleported all the NPCs away from there.
The hero and speed buffs can help you to successfully steal it. I think lvl 15 pickpoket should be enough but the higher the better. Also a glove that adds to the skill helps as well.

>>13510019

>the boss is hard gay

Riding still has it's uses. I'm still not swimming in wishes to get Oppaitos to party @ home.

>>13513465
I've seen it relatively often at shops, even without investing, so try checking those out maybe. It may be possible to find it in the shops in the tax office also.

>>13502507

I don't think it's due to your weapon since my rifle has (-56) hit penalty but I'm still at 656% hit rate and 25.2 hit multiplier. My Marks/Firearm is at 270/326 and our dex/per aren't that different. Just what did you do?

>find really good equip
>"it prevents you from teleporting"
can we make this a negative status already?

>>13513797
My very first non artifact staff that had #####+ spell power and alien prevention had that too... It was the only one line on page 2.

>>13512643
>>13512716
Oh, thanks! That's actually really helpful. No wonder it started leveling so quickly. The info on the claw is also really useful.

Lucky I kept a few hundred skill points around instead of just investing them straight off into magic device, needing a lot of them to keep meditation at 100% potential.

>>13512680
I've been grinding my summon spirit spell since day 1. Soon (gotta grind dominate first) I'll be dominating a few magic spirits to try out a stupidly strong over-ray. I think my spirits are around level 800 right now. I need to find another insight lens to be sure.

I don't think over-ray can be charged. An anon told me a bit earlier in the thread that special actions couldn't be charged.

>>13513797

Are you at a phase in the game where wasting a single turn for unequipping is a big loss to you? Jesus christ

>>13513869
Get the fuck out of here anon. One turn can be the difference between life and death.

>>13513869
it's really annoying to have to do that honestly

>>13513861
I wonder how good the party quest will be if you meteor All the NPCs and repopulate it with your spirits. I guess you could buy 3-4 happy apples, or magic fruits in one go.

>>13513877
Wait wait wait

That's how that works? Well hot damn, thanks anon. I'll give that a try. I doubt my perform is high enough to make it work though. I'll work on trying that out.

>>13513879
Get ready that lvl 800 spirits are REALLY hard to please!
The idea is not mine btw. I stole it from here as well.

>>13513898
How high do you think my performer needs to be to make it work? It should be noted that I don't really have any pets for ensemble. I have some back at the dojo but I think their perform is maybe 3.

>>13513910
No bloody Idea, Some anon on /rlg/ was testing it in wizard mode. he had max perform, with 12 pets that had max as well, and a room full of max spell level spirits. He got enough tickets to buy 11 apples.
Oh and I meant to say hero cheese in >>13513877
not apples. Apples are the top wares that guys sells.

>>13513927
Oh shit, that's ridiculous.

Definitely going to give it a shot. I'll try it out tonight, thanks for the tip anon, I'll keep you updated.

>>13513938
It makes me feel accomplished that I could tell something new about the game to someone with a character like yours.

>>13513910
0. Because you can just use Alchemical Rain and a single love potion to completely satisfy your spirits. And you will get even more tickets if you leave unique NPCs alive, they will multiply your points.

I just got a 14 day long etherwind that started at around 1 am at jun 1st.
Whatever... I got 56 scrolls of wonder out of it.

>>13513957
If this works out then you'll be the one that let me close the power gap with the inner gods. Thanks anon.

>>13514109
I had no idea that worked. Guess I'll stock up some love potions. I'll try it first chance I get. Glad to know I don't need to invest a few hundred skill points into performer.

>>13514149
56 scrolls of wonder from your shops? I usually only get like 6 or 7 tops from mine each time I check. How many shops do you have and what level are they?

>>13513872
You shouldn't be getting into situations where you only have one turn to act before you die, Anon.

>>13513796
Don't know what I did to have a lower hit rate then anon. My gear is also mostly static artifact stuff and aside from my gun I don't think anything is bringing my hit rate down. My current hit percentage is 485% with a damage multiplier of 28.5.

>>13513796
Going by previous pictures, Kai's firearm is 277 to your 326. It's possible your hit percentage is higher because your firearm skill is higher. On the other hand, Kai's marksman is 301 to your 270. Kai's damage multiplier might be higher because he has a higher marksman skill. He's like a flip of you. Hit's less but hits harder.

>>13514407
Remember I had 14 days to buy those scrolls. I have 2 magic shops and 3 goods merchants. I wish it was more magic shops but RNGesus hates me.
The shops are around rank 150 each, one magic shop is at 250. I bought 3 to 5 scrolls from them in every 3rd day and they mostly sold them, I guess I was lucky, they usually sell 1 scroll if they even sell some.

>>13514804
Kai, what does that staff do that makes it better than the shield tonfa or the Al'ud? Spellpower?

>>13514981
The staff is a living weapon/resist stick that I'm using to fill holes in my resist. It's currently only level 9 and I'm trying to level it.

Things to do on a lucky day:
-Open all the bejeweled chests and treasure balls I took home from dungeon diving; check
-Craft all the gear I have saved my materials up for; check
-Use up all the 100 and 500 yen coins for gacha gachas and open those balls as well; check
-Use up all the casino chips that have been piling up since like forever; check
-Harvest all my artifact plants;check
-bring down Wizard's harvest for it to have less than 20 stock left, just so it can get back potential until the next lucky day
-read all the Treasure maps after they got blessed

What am I missing? I sure it's something very trivial I'm just not seeing it!

>>13515006
Oh I see, of course you're a gunner! Silly me! I have a pantie for that and I automatically assumed Everyone else has the shoot slot open for that.

>>13514109
I'm preparing to try this out and I'll post results. I want an insight lens before I try and a few love potions.

Just to make sure before I try. If I get the points from someone in a party time quest, then I kill them, do I keep their points? I could just keep summoning a few rounds of spirits, killing them, and repeating.

>>13515257
You do not. Dead NPCs deduct whatever points they gave you.

>>13515060
I don't think you're missing anything. I'm just amazed you got all that done in your lucky day. Not that I doubt you but I'm just amused at imagining looking at this adventurer running around like crazy doing all those things. I guess I'm a bit lazy on my lucky days.

>>13515060
Open the containers in your shop strongbox.

>>13515270
Ah ok, Not too big a deal I guess. So I should just kill the no named npcs, summon a bunch of spirits, love potion them all, and make sure to get the special npcs before time's up? Sounds good. Give it two or three hours and I'll post results. Having the hardest time getting an insight lens to determine my exact spirit level.

>>13515275
It didn't take that long.
Most of the crafting stuff and the casino is only 1 turn. and if you open all the containers in your inventory, and let the stuff fall on the ground without checking them it won't take long. I gave up on blackjack though... to much time consumed, so little rewards.
Considering on growing the Artifact seeds back home to shave off some time as well. I only have 3 kumi statues and had like 40 artifact plants. All of the godly gear, man!

There is a hobo living in one of my old Storages at Vernis!

Figured I collect all the altars in NT since my partner can now carry them. Then I checked in the storage I haven't been for gods know how long. He's still in there. Probably came when I messed up reading something when I was about as high level as an ant. I gave him a sleeping bag and an old furniture altar I used to make me remember the real ones.

Maybe one day I let him rent a real room.

>>13515573
Wow, North Tyris must be going through an adventuring recession if mercenaries are having a hard time finding work and a place to live. At least you were kind enough to provide a roof over his head. Are the monsters in your land being culled at a very fast rate?

Alrighty, let's give this a try. I got tired of looking for an insight lens so let's just assume they're around 800.

>>13515880
Not as many as I was hoping for, but still not too shabby. This basically let's you convert love potions into almost a full speed upper.

One thing to note is that I sealed myself in a wall because a lot of the spirits became hostile after using alchemic rain. Quite a few npcs died, not sure which or from what but I'm assuming the spirits killed them. I got 4 named npcs, at least that I could see. I killed most of the extra npcs for maximum spirits and managed to get most of them with one rain.

So ya, I'll definitely be doing this in the future. Shame about the karma hit though. Guess those 15k resurrection stocks are good for something.

>>13515904
7k tickets for one quest. If Palmia is the same as ever you should get 2 hero cheeses from a visit. Or in your case I might go for more mana for your barrier.

>>13515904
Pretty cool anon. Looks like another viable way to increase speed later on. I'll probably be using this for my pet...but that's a long ways off but still nice to know I have another option for speed increases.

>>13512181
Was Elona always like that, or is it more of an Elona+ thing?

>>13515960
It was present in Elona, but a number of the really big growth periods weren't until after the main quest, so it felt like postgame content instead of main-game content. + also added a couple new ones.

Ok I figured out a good method. Since the high level spirits get drunk and kill each other/special npcs, it's best to wait until there's 30 or so minutes left in the party to summon the spirits. This results in more bonus npcs/spirits being alive by the end, meaning more points.

2 or so npcs still died that round. Next time I'll try sealing them in a room and giving them their own love potion then summoning the spirits later and using a different one on them.

>>13515946
I'm thinking of using at least half on speed uppers. Gotta get faster to fight those gods.

>>13515957
I'll keep reporting in about this but as it stands I would recommend adding love potions to the list of items to stockpile every time you see them. Since most people already stockpile scrolls of wonder, it won't be hard to grind spirits up high enough to at least get a portion of what I'm getting, so long as you equip spell power gear. It should be noted that I'm a fairy so I can't use the magic armor special action. If I could my spirits would be even stronger, and give more tickets.

>>13516053
I remember back in vanilla when I was performing to earn money. I got something like 50k gold and about 30-40 tickets. Oh and the randarts that people kept flinging at me. I had looted the kill kill piano and the Al'ud like 20 times each!
Now all I care about are the tickets.

I see this and I'm like "...?"
and 3 seconds later I'm like OH. You stupid fuckers, I hate you so much.
I wish the eng ver didn't suck ;_;

>>13516341
What did it do?

>>13516349
It's supposed to be "Shh..." which comes from "Shi" which in this case is an onomatopeia, but was literally turned into "c" instead.

This pet has died to wells more time than anything else I've ever had, and I'm just lv 10

>>13516472
>I can't stop dying to wells

>>13516472
>>13516492

>>13516472
give the fucker some cheap wings already shit they're like maybe 1k

>>13516509
It's a bear, it has no back slot ;_;

I need an astral light pen asap. I already have the one from the main story, and I don't have any easy methods of getting a wish right now.

Any suggestions?

Ok So I've been figuring out the best method for this and I think I have it.

First go around killing groups of unnamed npcs. Once you find two or so <npcs> close together make them a little room with create wall, make sure to leave plenty of room. Now go find more <npcs> while killing any groups that don't have them. Spare karma impact groups if you want.

Once you find more <npcs> displace them back to the little room you made and put them inside, then seal them in. Do this until you have all of them in the room. Either use an alchemic rain + love potion in the room, or perform to get their points. Now exit and re-seal the room.

Depending on your speed wait until about 20 to 10 minutes are left in the quest, I wait till about 14 with my speed and I still have to rest a few times. Going to try 10 minutes next time. So once you're at the right time left summon as many spirits as it will let you and use an alchemic rain love potion. Optionally you can create a very large room for them to make sure to hit as many as possible.

Whole thing takes about 5 or so minutes, maybe a bit more. These are the results with my spirits.

been playing for hours and just had a unique fallen angel ask to join me (level 43).

Is she worth using this is the first unique I have seen in like 200 hours.

>>13516800
The one from a few thread ago planned to summon gods with wish, for the unique npc bonus.
In fact, he planned to kill them and sandbag the inner gods, but i think it'd require a little too much time, and a too big supply of sandbags.

You could probably double or so your tickets with just one god.
But well, it require wands or bery high casting, so it may still be quite the hassle.

>>13516800
Oh shit, ok big problem. Do not under any circumstances use 2 love potions on the spirits. Don't think "Oh I'll get that last little group, I have plenty of love potions"

2 makes them hostile, then in a few turns they disappear and you get nothing.

>>13516836
Oh that's a good idea. If you have spare wishes anyway. I'm at the point where I can kill the gods but I still don't have spare wishes. I have no idea how people get surplus wishes.

I have nearly 400 casting and I still only have a 20% chance to cast level 25 wish.

I am potential potion starved.

Is it possible to fuck yourself over with stat gains by grinding skills at less than 400% attribute potential for overly long periods of time?

>>13516053
Just out of curisoity.

What items DO you stock pile other than wonder? I am still a newbie.

Right now I am doing:

Seeds (magic, artifact, herb, strange)
Scrolls (growth, flying, mana, wonder, supmat)
Potions (potential, water, love, evo)
Rods (wish, mana?)
Shoes, Hermes, Speed uppers
Empty Baskets, monster balls, lenses, medals, favor items
Herbs
Hard to read books
astral pens
capsule/soda
kitty banks
ores (for pot of fusion pet training)
Blessed body/spirit
salt solution/rod of firewall/wood pieces
For selling in shop:
Bones/Hearts/etc
useless scrolls (oracle, name)
steaks that have shit status effects (undead)
Mage guild books
lockpicks
rotten stat food to reprocess with 4d pocket
BGM disks (until jukebox)
raw potential training with +attribute


Bejeweled chest (open on lucky day)
Treasure map (bless and read on lucky day)

Are gain material scrolls worth buying, what about enchant weapon/armor? Scrolls of ally? rod of change creature?

I am not at the point I can use artifact fusion but what should I be keeping for that?

What am I missing?

>>13516830
Just let her join or you will never get her again

>>13517024
You actually stockpile more than I do.

Other than what's on your list I have:
Gain attribute scrolls, this one is important
Sox, this one is extremely important
Nefia cores, you probably aren't there yet
All types of material change scrolls

and I think that's it. Again, other than the ones you have listed.

I buy gain material scrolls because dungeons at my level give 1mil each so they're a drop in the bucket for some potential nice items. If you're on a fresh-ish character I wouldn't advise it. They aren't amazing but they're a good purchase once you have your shops all invested.
I never kept scrolls of ally, didn't see the point. Then again I never used pets too much either, and if I did I preferred to catch them.

Rods of change creature are one of the most broken items in the game. Keep at least 4+ on you in higher level dungeons. Hell, as soon as bomb rocks start showing up you should take a few. So yes, stockpile change creature rods.

What race are you? If you're a fairy you don't need to worry about keeping materials for fusion too much, just keep troll genes for nether. If you're something else then try not to dip into any of the materials you need 100 of for the fusion items too much.

Also you don't need to stockpile baskets. Just get 2 or 3. The empty picnic basket gets refunded when you eat the picnic item. Plus you get them free at maid house.

>>13517024
I basically stockpile little else but little sisters, potentials, herbs, and wonder scrolls and evolution hearts, and sometimes if I need to gene engineer someone up to a higher level, I start piling ally scrolls.

Though I guess if you count spell stocks, I burn through a lot of different spells, mostly buffs and hexes, so I do end up stockpiling those a lot.

>>13516536
drink from the wells in towns; I like to go to palmia because the fountains are right next to each other

if they get dry, then destroy the fountains with fire/ice bolt (keep in mind that fire bolt sets fires in town too unless it's raining) and come back in a week or so

>>13517024
I plant the seeds, all the seeds.
I stockpile growth, uncurse, wonder. I don't stockpile mana scrolls because Rods of mana work exponentially better. Also you can bless plain old change mat scrolls to get bootleg sup mats out of them.
Potions of pot, love, evo can be made with alchemy, and I run out slower than the mats piling up. I do get every bottle of water I can grab. I also stockpile acid and fire proof pots.
Shoes, hermes blood, speed upper, and ALL the gear that maintains speed I can inferior mat to raw.
I don't stockpile herbs. They get used up by me or my dragon. Stomafilias and curarias just pile up by themselves.
Books of all the spells I frequently use. All of them on 1 charge and in the 4th dimensional pocket so they take less space. That means dominate, magic ball/arrow, buffs, curses and heals.
I haven't got any astral light pens yet from drop, and I haven't wished for one yet.
I don't need the kaneda bike, but I do like to bring the capsules with me that I never use.

>playing E+ for the first time
>go do shena's quest with my trusty pet girl
>open the door into the main room
>a robber throws a fucking boulder at me and does over three times my max HP in damage

Holy shit, what the heck is that?

>>13518524
cool thanks.

Why plant all your seed? do you mean veggies/fruit too or just artifact/magic/gem?

wouldn't that be like 500 farms

>>13518524
Cont:
Kitty banks: I have 3 never used them. I usually run around with 500k-2 mill. If I have more It's easy to spend them. If I need more I dive dungeons.
Ores: only until I can use it up to make better gems.
Bones/Hearts/etc, useless scrolls, every cooked meat will get sold by the first NPC that has the cash for them.
Lock picks yes.
Rotten statfood: I don't do that. I'm basically swimming in herbs even though I have no fairy and only have 3 Kumi statues.
BGM disks: I don't play with music on. It only has 2 settings: very loud that overshadows game sounds or mute.
>raw potential training with +attribute
What do you mean by that?

Gain mat scrolls can be nice for early game, Ally is so random it's useless. Change creatures can be made with carpentry.
I stockpile raw materials for crafting, curse scrolls, cursed water, Resist and status immunity gear, crafting and fate boost gear; Magic, Constitution and Will maintaining and/or giving gear that can be "raw'd", Lost properties, gifts, Armor and weapons that look nice but I will never use them.

I picked up a level 30 monster ball from beating up slimes and stuff in the sewers. I have a farm and I'm gonna be aiming for a shop next, is there a pet I should aim for?

>>13518568
All of them. I have 3 farms.
I plant magic, herb, unknown seeds on dirt.
I plant veggie, fruit, gem, seeds on all the other tiles.
I plant artifact seeds home. Or at least I plan on doing that.

I plant the fruit and veggie seeds because you never know what you will need them for soma, nektar, mandrake salads, etc.
And because they do regrow outside the dirt, harvesting them trains gardening which train knowledge. We all know how great the knowledge stat is.

>>13518531
Don't worry. That's just how Elona says hi to new players. You'll get better in time.

>>13518588
You could try and catch a thief guild member (lvl 26) for your shop. It will be hard with a PoKéball, since you need to false swipe it before you throw the ball.
Master Thieves are lvl 35, and the slave master will only sell them when you're lvl 60, but they are better vendors.

This might be nice too: If you didn't yet pick up casting and literacy, Join the mage's guild or incognito/teleport rod your way in to the special book seller, and reserve books of domination. You can only reserve spell books there that you have PREVIOUSLY SUCCESSFULLY READ!
You can just dominate monsters you're unsure of with that.
Even if that spell is too much now, you will find that utility spells like buffs, heals, etc can be pretty useful for fighters as well. If you're a mage though it's mandatory and I shouldn't write a novel like this.

>>13518588
Most of the god pets are nice. You can get them through earning favor with the gods. Other pets you can aim for are pets that are low level which gain lots of AP. If you do go with a low level pet try to snag one with a good evolution or evolutions and pay attention to abilities that they have.

If you're new to pets and don't really want to think too much you can't really go wrong most of the god pets.

>>13518588
If you're aiming for a pet for your shop you will ideally want a pet with high negotiation and high charisma. The shop section of the elona wiki should have a list of some recommended shop pets.

>>13518642
Alrigth thanks. I'm focusing on guns, but since my Negotiation is pretty good I figure I shouldn't need to join the fighters guild. I'll nab casting at some point and swing by the mages guild then since I have literacy already.

If I incognito into the thief guild for a pet though won't the guild leader still try and chase me around? I was in there earlier to learn pickpocket and had to keep teleporting him away.

>>13518681
If he wear no gear that prevents teleporting you can try to zap him away with a teleport rod, It's not easy but it's doable. If you have dominate on a good level it's basicly 3 turns. Go down, cast incognito before everyone comes to rape you, target and dominate a member, walk out.

>>13518593
Why would one plant artiact seeds in their house and not on dirt?

>>13518773
Because those plant never grow back and my gardening is already 81. That skill caps at 60-ish.
I also plan to plant them home because that's where all my <To do when there is a lucky day> stuff is. It cuts time.

>>13518773
>>13518798
I wonder if you can plant it in the shop. Saves legwork when tossing junk.

If I want to train magic device and gather snow in Noyel, would it train me if I throw it on myself instead of quaffing them?

>>13519014
That's something I didn't think about. Good idea.
Still, since lucky day seem to be the right time to harvest them, and since all my other stuff are at my castle, I will still do it there if it doesn't wither away faster than outside the dirt in my farm.

okay... I forgot to ID all the godlys and miracles I left home when I opened the treasure balls and crafted vindale cloaks, pope robes, panties and spears. I was like, What's this bag of stuff on the ground? Oh hellllo there!

>>13516866
no? very few things in elona are permanent. Alternatives to potential potions are sleeping in good beds (if no happy bed, sleep in the kings bed in palmia!), herbs (to a small degree), picnic baskets, guild trainers that visit your house, drinking out of the noyel well, sleeping at night w/ a pet that has cooking, etc.

Potential potions are not the only way to raise it.

>>13519350
I bought the maid house because after finishing the quest(maybe before as well) I get a picnic basket there daily.

>play game for a few hours
>hit level 6
>still die on the easiest of hunt quests
>not really anything to do but errands for people
I feel like I'm missing something.

>>13519713
Unless you go full combat or find a lucky equip most starting enemies will mince you from stats alone. The kobolds are annoying only because they have a very high CON and STR for a melee at that level. Level your skills, buy the ones you're missing, and you'll slowly see stuff beyond Puppy Cave.

>>13519713
You start out weaker than a little girl or a snail and end up slaying gods. Be patient anon, learn and practice, you'll have your time.

>>13519713

I just started a new game on this version. I'm glad about the reduced skill prices, I remember taking forever to get a bunch of skills at the start.

>>13519920
Getting stronger just takes so long.
Is there a way to speed up leveling?
Little girls keep one-shotting me but I'm getting the hang of things.

>>13519713
I have 220 hours into the game and I still miss lots of things. This shit never ends but it gets extremely fun as you go and build on your knowledge.

I have seen people with 600+ hours learning new things.

>>13515060

No it's not trivial. You're actually missing the most important part of lucky days; far more important and reliable than crafting and opening gachas.

>>13519984
>asshole guard blocking the door to the inn so I can't leave
>dig through the wall
There must be a better way.

So seeing this thread made me want to go back to Elona, upgraded from 1.40 to 1.44, got a few question, I got a few shift cores and 6 wonder body formers at my feet when I reloaded my save, what are those for ?

And what's a good way to get great gear ?

>>13513875

If you're getting annoyed by that then how exactly are you not getting annoyed at grinding skills and spells?

If you use alchemical rain on a horde of bomb rocks will they all get wet?

>>13520041
Please tell me!

>>13519937
Here's a neat little trick: if you have enough plat go and learn gardening in Yowyn, make enough plat from harvest quests to learn weight lifting. The heavier fruits tend to be on the edges of the map, and melons are heavier than cherries.
Keep gardening and enjoy watching your STR, Con, ler and will Skyrocket just by pulling out plants and carry the weight back to the box. It might not be the most exiting time in your life but think about it as a gym that pays you for the workout. oh and quaff a blessed potion of restore body and spirit for a year-long buff on your stats.

>>13520210
Is it a good idea to run around burdened, I just got a kitchen as a quest reward.
Also what the fuck does maintains mean?
I made another new character and this time I'm totally sticking with it.

>>13520064
Wonder body formers were given to people who lost some body parts on their pets or themselves when upgrading versions. Shift cores are in for testing. They supposed to help you configure your character's look and profile while under some buffs, like lulwy's trick or fury. I have no idea how they work though. I even might be completely wrong.

Abuse Lucky day like I do at >>13515060
I will make you rich and swimming in godlys

>>13520239

If you don't have a maintain on a stat and you just recently drank a blessed restore body/spirit, that enchanted stat will go down real quick and you don't want that since you'll waste tons of potions to get your stat enchanted again.

Ideally, you'll want your equips that will maintain every single one of your stat (including Luck) but it's up to you.

>>13520239
There are monsters that will curse your stats (they are less than the original if they are red)
A healer or potions of restore body/spirit can fix that, but "Maintains [stat]" will prevent this temporary stat loss. It won't prevent permanent ones like from wells or when you barf up a lot.
btw if you eat raw gear that maintains a stat it will buff you with a stat growth buff for 2000 turns. Pic related

I'm saving up for a small castle, what's the best way of making money? Should I invest in traders? I've been doing "Before it's too late" quests and trading so far but it's still pretty slow.

I assume hands are the best slot to savescum for as a mutant?
I lost my 3d6 claymore somehow and I'm sad.

>crime to use scrolls of return while on a quest
Why?
Worth it anyway, easy 30k.

>>13520385
Depends on where you're at in the game and what you're willing to do/can do. Common gold making methods are cargo selling, gardening or fishing/cooking/selling food, dungeon diving, questing, and prostitution.

I earned enough for my castle by dungeon diving and questing myself(All quests except the deliver item or whatever quests). It will take time no matter your approach so just save up and enjoy the journey.

>>13518798
For planting artifact seeds on non-field tiles without the rain bonus, you need 121 gardening for minimum wither chance.

I forgot I did this

>>13521053
Thanks for the tip! Good to know there' still room to improve on gardening!

>>13521282
>lvl 621 godslayer with frisia's tail and 200000+ SP for barrier.
Do you even need any of those?

>>13521521
I'm not a godslayer till I kill an inner god, anon! Just a bit more speed and I'm sure I can.

I mostly use it for money in my shop. Harvesting them on a lucky day usually nets me a nice little bonus, and since I spend long period of time not doing dungeons or anything in order to farm scrolls of wonder and the like, as well as herbed herbs, this is a way to keep myself self sufficient with profits.

That said, I only even look at the godly ones when I drop them in the shop. It just takes so damn long to look at each and every one of them, usually for no gains Just wish there was a tiny chance to get a speed ring.

>>13521552
There are gains looking at them all individually.
I keep the non-godlies that maintain speed to eat them once I hit the 800 spd cap you can get from AP. I don't think I will consume any boots or hermes blood until I get a buff with at least the strength of 40+. And that a lot of artifacts considering I can get anything in increments of 5. Hell I don't even know if it's possible to know what you get until you eat it.

>>13521594
Hermes Blood ignores potential, so it doesn't give a damn about +statgrowth buffs.
Shoes are so abundant that I see no reason to stockpile them. Just basic tailoring and jeweling is enough to keep you fed with shoes pretty much indefinitely in dungeons.

>>13521594
I guess I should probably start looking at them again. Who knows, maybe I'll find something nice.

>>13521606
damn... no matter. Now I know what to get rid of when my basement gets full.

Are there any neat uses for custom pets? I tried making one into my pet, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem like you can do that.

Are there any neat uses for custom NPCs? I tried making one into my pet, but unfortunately, it doesn't seem like you can do that, at least, not with a monster ball/domination.

>>13521767
I tried using them to repopulate lonely towns after many deaths and gameplay time but I suck at making them honestly

>>13521726
I once found a custom Larnneire Bloomer in a moongate and selected it with that stone thingie.
After that she kept on spawning as a neutral mob and I could buy her/them from the slave master in Derpy. I guess you're not talking about those.

>>13516800
Back to this topic.
Did you try to have as many pets with as high perform and charisma with you to ensemble with as possible? I forgot to put away the secondary pet I'm working on and my 10 spd snail after a harvest quest, and with 3 pets out I got twice as many tickets as I'm used to get.
It's not thread necromancy when it's in the same thread!

>>13521953
Necro as much as you want anon. This is a really potent way to get stats and with enough thought we can make it easier to do for people not as far into their characters.

I didn't try that because I haven't done much to raise pets on this character. I'm far enough in my quest that I highly doubt I'll start too. I think the effects depend on how the point system actually works.

Let's say there's a quota for entertainment on each npc and once that quota is met you get their points. If there is nothing beyond that then I think the love potion thing is the most efficient. If there are bonuses for going over the quota then the perform way is easily better, but that's just speculation on how I think it works.

On the other hand I do miss maybe 10% of the spirits with the love potion, since I literally can't fit enough on screen to get them all. I can't use a second one either because: >>13516845
I guess I could spread half the spirits to one side of the party and the other to the other side, that would let me get them all, but use 3 potions instead of 2.

Here's a thought, speaking of necromancy: How do you think necro coffins would work with this? Considering they are not considered allied npcs.

>>13522064
I guess those would work the same way. Alchemy and Anatomy are just harder to train, especially if one spends their skillpoints on more needed stuff. Coffins can get tedious to find especially if you want an unlimited suply on them. and I don't think the sprite limit is only the summoning spells speciality.
On the flip side the stack won't deplete after each Perform quest and there's that key thing that will help you with collecting your summoned undead and store your coffins.

I will check into it but that does sound viable. I don't quite know necromancy but if the level it summons depends on the bones used and not your skills it can be quite viable.

>>13522128
Well it's true that alchemy and anatomy are harder to raise, but there's gear that increases alchemy level. There isn't gear that increases summon spirit level, aside from spell power I suppose.

I know you can only have 10 necro units out at a time, I think it's 10 at least, but that's still not bad. Just do that in addition to the normal party time and with high enough necros you could probably get maybe 1000-2000 tickets. I have a bunch since I was tinkering with them awhile ago, I'll try summoning some during one of the quests and see if the point star appears over their head. If it does I'll give it a go summoning them alone and see how many tickets I get.

The necro level depends on your skill levels. The type of unit depends on the item level. The level is defined by the price, so bell parts will almost always get you dead eyes blood dragon, for example.

I really hope they add more to necromancy. I'll totally make a necromancy character if they make it viable.

>>13522153
Congrats! You just made me abandon my AP farm in order to nick some coffins and try out the putit skins from my ranch. Those cost about 6k.
Be reporting after the before and after the test.
I even might start to stockpile Anatomy boosting gear!
Off to the little sisters and steal their kitchen knives!

>>13522212
Welp, hope it's worth it. Thanks for testing it out. I was about to head to palmia but then I got a lucky day and I've been opening treasure balls for a good 15 minutes.

I thought you couldn't get rods of wishing from gardening anymore?

I just harvested my artifact/magic farm and I got this. It was on a lucky day mind you.

The coffins sure are heavy as hell! I'm glad this key works as a container as well...
>>13522223
No worries. Dabbling in necromancy sorta justifies playing as a lich.
Now if only my chaos and nether spells would be a bit stronger...

Also, lets face it. AP farming was not the most riveting activity to do... If only I had your spirits and magic ball. I could tag with that pet and just Farm 10k AP in one go.
Come to think of it. Would that even work? If yes, would it be easy to catch a pianist mob, AP farm it, spend those AP on skill points then just spend the skill points on perform?

>>13522283
rumors. just rumors, mate
and just read a blessed scroll of uncurse

>>13522293
That would be a pretty neat passive for liches actually. If they did buff necromancy I would love to see liches get something to do with it as well.

I'm not sure what you mean about AP farming. My spirits aren't strong enough to give me AP when I kill them, and I don't really use them for much in dungeons. Only time I've used them is when I -really- needed to block myself off from a big swarm of mega moles. Not sure where the pianist mob factors in either. Man, is this spell good for even more than I thought? Do tell.

>>13522316
Have you ever tried to tag team up with some noob pet? That's how I farm AP now. I go in the void, tag my dragon and this young lady and watch the girl get AP from every kill of the dragon.
I kinda thought that if the tagteam is you plus the newbie it will get AP from your kills. Never tested tagteam with the PC though, only with two pets.

>>13522348
I've actually never tag teamed anything. I don't even really know how. Is it that little tag organization thing in the interact screen? Like I said I haven't really dabbled with pets much.

So the idea would be to team up with something weak, then mass kill my spirits to get lots of AP? That's a pretty good idea.

>>13520057
teleport other, or teleport self?

>>13522376
That's the gist of it.
Please if you can, try to dominate some random rat or putit in the wilds and do a test. I sorta want to know.
Oh and I said to dominate some pianist monster because they already come with a respectable performer and charisma. It also saves you the trouble to find some other pet with perform to gene splice the skill in the original one.

>>13522405
Sure thing, I'll head to the puppy cave once I run out of love potions, should just be 10 minutes.

So walk me through actually tagging with it, I straight up don't know the controls to do that.

You use tag organization to do tagging. I don't think you can tag a pet to the PC however. Tagging only seems to work between pets.

Putit skins that cost 5200 gold produce a cat zombie. I guess the base cost is what matters. after I robbed the pyramid I shall hunt some lvl 200 dungeon. That's my highest atm.

You interact with yourself. sounds daft but trust me on this. select the pet you want to drag around with you. Your speed will become the speed of the pet unless it has higher than yours which I doubt.
If you can not one shot your spirits I'd try weakening them until they can get oneshotted, then summon your putit, press i, press 5, magic ball em, and check if it nets him AP.
If the AP goes to the pet that obviously didn't do the kill it should be the same symbol only in piss yellow.

I feel like I'm doing dual wielding wrong.
I don't have the dual wield skill or any good weapons anyway.

>>13522463
nvm. I found a lvl 270 fort!

>>13522463
Ah I see it now. About the tagging thing. Thank you anon.

>>13522486
OH gods darnit! RNGesus hates me! THIS was the first thing that I found in that fort

Ok so I was pretty much right on the money about the spirit being level 800. Its stats are pretty damn impressive. It also has nearly 900 casting. I'll be catching a few of these in order to over-ray the inner gods with. Killing Deus Ex Manina with a spirit bomb will make me tingle all over.

One thing to note is that the INI is actually low, like, really low. My level 100ish destroy boar way back when had almost twice as much if I remember right. I bet these things could farm AP pretty easily.

Just a reminder to cast summon spirits whenever it's at 400 potential folks! It'll pay off!

>>13522463
Well that's good to know. I think I have a few high selling putit skins in my necromancy pile I'll be getting rid of then.

Got myself a snail. I wanted a yeek because they're cute but I couldn't find one. I did however find an insight lens on the very first tile in puppy cave, so thanks anon, I've been looking everywhere for one of these.

I'll test out a few spirit kills and report back.

Unfortunately the snail did not gain any AP. Maybe it would have if I would have? If there's anything else you want me to test out I'd be more than happy to. I love theorycrafting like this.

>>13522499
Good luck anon. Find those stairs quick.

>>13522547
Hmm... Okay I shall test that myself as well with the void. My best guess is that pets get less or no AP when tagged with the PC.
It works with pets though, I tagged up my dragon with my new potion thrower and restarted the void. The dragon got nothing but skill increases, but the young lady is 2 steps away from 500 speed. Took a while for me to figure out to ride my snail to speed "them" up.

>>13522588
Good luck!

You wouldn't happen to know the equation behind dominate would you? I can't find it on the wiki but I know I've seen it before. I just want to know what spell level/magic device level I'd need in order to dominate some of my spirits. I really hope it's not 800

>>13522599
No sorry. I'm not the source code guy. I'm just a plain old user who's been playing elona long before /jp/ was split out from /a/... I'm not good with remembering exact dates, but I do remember events.

>>13522609
You ever peak in on the /vg/ generals back in the day? I started playing a few years back when they attempted to separate from /rlg/. Those were good times.

>>13522614
yeah... I sometimes visited those threads in /v/ and later /vg/ but there was just too much dwarf fortress in them for me... and it doesn't help that I was busy with life and took a long break from playing elona.
The times when people actually cared to talk about elona were quite informative though. I loved that.

>>13522655
I never talked about it while it was fotm on /v/. I do try to bring it up when I can, but it's a hard game to recommend because there are just so many aspects and what not to it. I mean have you ever tried to describe it to someone and why you like it so much? It's hard man.

It's a really fun game to talk about though. After all these years people are still coming up with new strategies and figuring out weird exploitable mechanics. I love it.

Okay... 5 levels in a lvl 270 fort and I found 4 monster parts that are worth mentioning. Times likes these makes me wonder, what if real necromancers worship Yacatect?
the yeek was the lvl 343 floorboss. Will continue later, maybe tomorrow.

>>13522662
It's a sandbox game after all. The 3d graphics and the surround sound was never it's appeal. If it weren't this niche I'd call it a modern day classic. Most people I met were taking a glance at it and disregarded it as a coffee-break game.

>>13522485
I am now dual wielding with 6 dexterity.
What's the best way to fix that?

>>13522673
I agree entirely. Though I will say that Elona has plenty of design flaws, still, some can lend to the game's charm.

I've met one person offline that has played it. I met him maybe 2 weeks ago and I nearly scared him off with how shocked I was when he mumbled "Hey is that Elona?" while peering over my shoulder.

>>13522517
a shame insight lenses only last one use

>>13522693
Can't fix what we don't know is wrong. What do you think your dexterity should be? Also, it already seems you've identified some problems and natural fixes such as getting the dual wield skill and better weapons. If your problem is hitting things the dual wield skill will help there.

>>13522693
Getting dual wield will help you in increasing dexterity if your problem is raising that stat.

>>13522854
I probably shouldn't ask stupid questions.
I decided to try and grind in puppy cave without my pet then managed to die to a hunger demon.
I need something to hit that won't die or harm me.

Does attacking sandbagged monsters increase spell level?

>>13523370
Not anymore.

>>13522547
how does one "reflect magic"?

I don't know why I wasn't spamming meteor to clear dungeons before. For some reason I thought it wouldn't do enough damage.

All the worlds AP is mine.

>>13524069
I'm pretty sure it's the "Does magic damage to magic attacker" trait on equipment.

>>13522693
Dual wielding means you have at least 2 weapons equipped.
Claws are shields and counted as armor.
If you dualwield keep in mind the weight of your weapons. Your main hand weapon shouldn't be a heavy claymore, and your off hand weapon(s) should be light weapons.
Also every offhand weapon gets a -20% increasing hit penalty.
The wiki explains this better, but know that Clyamore+claw+claw is considered as sword and shield style.

>>13525153
I didn't actually answer your question did I?
Get the dual wield skill, grind skills that are dexterity based like short sword, throwing, bow/xbow, light armor, jeweler, pick pocket, etc.

Wear a light weapon or normal weight weapon on main hand, light weapon in the second, claws in the rest to boost damage and hit. You do not actually hit with claws. The game considers them as shields, and they add extra damage and hit to all your other weapons, even ranged.

Take up fishing, eat fish and start establish your own garden of herbs.

Where's a good place to put my shop? I'm thinking somewhere between vernis and palmia because that's where I plan to place my house, but if there's anywhere else that's convenient I'm all ears.

Finally found enough parts to make 10 coffins of necromancy. I have no Alchemical Rain so love potions are a no go right now.
The cats are what I made from ranched putit skins and those seem to like my performance.

It's not that impressive, probably because my performance and Charisma is lacking.
I had to even put the Dead-eyes back to its coffin because it threw rocks at me!

I can get that reward even without spirits.

>>13525474

Just place it beside your house. Whenever you come back from cleaning up tons of dungeons using a return spell, you could just drop your items there immediately.

I'm starting to feel the difference.
Also it seems that not just the level of anatomy and alchemy but the quality of the monster part is what seem to influence the level of the undead.
I made a lvl 51 cat from a putit skin that costs 5600-ish gold, and made a lvl 128 dead eyes from the yeek archer skin that was the lvl 343 boss shown here >>13522665

>>13525529
I have it next to my house. that's where I usually return after a few dungeons and a full inventory. If you want it out of your sight you can place it next to larna, the border or the little sister mansion. It makes no difference where it is, so place it somewhere convenient.

If I switch gods do I keep the feat the god I left gave me?

How does dungeon level work again? I remember a while ago in an old version, I got lucky and beat a really high level dungeon, and had to see 600+ ones fill the continent. Any danger in that sort of situation happening from beating a high leveled one?


Also, how difficult/annoying is it to find/eat corpses for resists? I played a fairy who had great resists all around, so I never really bothered looking for them (or checking equipment).

>>13525670
You keep the feet, but opatos' def feat will only work if you have high favor with that god. You lose the special ability if you had one like lulwy's trick or Absorb Magic.

>>13525678
I only have a mild understanding in dungeon levels generation. I seem to recall that the progress of your story, and the highest dungeon cleared seem to be in the equation.

Just feed your pets with the resist food. after 2-3 nights of sleep you'll lose it anyway if you eat them. Just keep the #####+ resist gear you find, Who knows one day you might need it.

how come I never see message about higher level people dying to gods/high level enemies?

I am ~250 hr's in the the game and only newbies to hounds and public performers

>>13525892
Higher level people can already guess if they are able to beat something or need to get the fuck away. We also have more HP and defense not to get one shotted easily.

>>13525892
A few days back I saw who I think is one of the anon of this thread dying a few time to an inner god

Plus high level means you usually can reliably escape or survive long enough and hit hard enough that getting mob'd cease to be a problem.

The only deaths I got recently were when I decided to try a new tier of dungeons and got fucked over by five headed gods, had to die to them twice to get back a stack of small medal that I forgot to stash away.

>>13525903
What was their name?

>>13525920
I don't remember, I just remember them dying to God inside Ehekatl, is there a log for death messages ?

>>13525923
Well as far as I know I'm the only anon currently challenging the gods. I might be wrong though. I did die to God Inside Ehekatl but only once. It would be neat if it was me though, bit of a coincidence.

>>13525892
A combination of things. Mostly that there are probably a lot less high level folks and that it's harder for us to die. One shot protection is a major goal of a lot of people, and they get it by that point. Knowledge and more educated guesses on power gaps as well.

For example, the last two times I died weren't to the broken dungeons, it was 1) when I forgot to get myself to bloated before putting my wallet on the cast button of a spell I wanted to grind and left to take a shower. Starved to death in my own bed, how sad, and 2) when I forgot to buff myself before testing out stuff with my summoned spirits. They cut through me like butter without my holy shield.

>>13525534
And that's with just one summon? I'll test some of this out in a few hours. I'll love potion as many as I can summon as check results. Mine are around level 200 and have been there for awhile so it shouldn't be to unreasonable for people to get them there as a method for this. Turn it into an endgame thing rather than a "God I just want to play another game but fuck you Mani you have to die" obsession thing.

do you guys keep spare weapons around to grind weapon skills for stats?

>>13525943
Aside from the saratama, no.
The mechanical binder and an high-level mob is all you need to grind any weapon type.

What's a good way to raise the charisma of a pet to serve as a shopkeeper ? Cause I've yet to see something that gives good charisma in gene engineering

>>13525474
I stuck mine beside the tyris border because I can access it more conveniently whenever I get out of a dungeon in north or south tyris.

As far as I know, just put it at a return target and you can access it in a timely manner. Hell you could stick it up near larna if you want.

>>13525943
I get most of my weapon training done in the arena.

can I get more god pets than my faith allows by parking them in the dojo?

I have all my non used ones in the dojo and prayed but it wouldn't give me mani's android.

faith: 45

2 god pets in party:
defender, golden knight

dojo'ed pets:
exile
cat

I am assuming this means no. What about discarded ranch?

How DOES one train faith anyway? Scrolls of faith = small medals only?

also does preaching level it quickly? I haven't used it yet.

You know it's pretty sad seeing the same guy dying over and over and over again every time you get the death messages.

>>13525678

All you need to know is that the highest dungeon level you have beaten is the one that influences dungeon level the greatest.

The continent you're currently on also influence it (Lost Irva as the highest and North Tyris as the lowest) but only by an irrelevant amount.

>>13525967
I don't even have any weapon skills, except for the occasional bumping into some putit behind a corner.
>>13526047
With Faith 45 you can have 4 god pets, if you can temporary boost that faith to 80+ with pious gear like the unknown shell you can have all 8 them.
Not sure if ranched godpets will count towards the limit. never tried to breed them. The discarded ranch work almost like the dojo, there's just no NPC there to train the pets.
You have the right idea about training faith. Sleeping in a good bed also helps. You don't need to, just wear pious gear when you [p]ray. The limit only counts when you receive the ally not when they are in your party.

W-what

I'm doing it! Nothing can stop me!

>>13526315
that's it? really?

Updated the monster girl sprite sheet again.

puu sh / hVkbq.bmp

>>13526315
>>13526318
That's a bit disappointing. Talk to it and check the level though, since that's all that matters for the party time quests, right?

>>13526318
Alright I have a second to test this out on my end.
They are all about level 250, some are a tiny bit lower. I also loved potioned all the <npcs> but I accidentally killed one, so actual numbers will be a tiny bit higher. This is as many as you can summon at once. Let's give it a go.

>>13526548
Weeeelp
I mean it's not terrible I guess. You can probably get them to this level with a bit of alchemy gear. Just sort of not great.

Keep in mind this is without any of the other NPCs, just my coffins and the <npcs>.

>>13526554
It's a help for me right now because my summon spirit potential is down and I just can't find a way to force sleepiness. Would cursed coffee work?

>>13526583
Also why talk? just press * and look at it.
Just like I did on the pic >>13526318

>>13526459
Whoops, overlooked something.

puu sh / hVnwW.bmp

>>13526594
Thanks mate. I'm getting tired of looking at the same old sprites all the time. Going back to these is a welcome change.

Shit I just realized i'm still on 1.36R. We ever get any translated changelogs?

>Magic 142
>Still no over-ray

I'm not bringing back my allies until I figure out how to get this ability.

>>13527776
It's possible it also needs casting.

I know I had it while I still had my chaos shaman, but late into his lifetime. I think that's about when I started awakened dungeons, meaning it probably requires decently high stats. I wouldn't be surprised if it required 200ish magic.

>>13527801
200 magic it is then.

Just in case though, I pumped a couple skillpoints into casting to put me at 100.

While I'm here I'm consistently getting relatively large amounts of money for me, like I tend to easily have a million or two in my inventory now and I'm not sure how I should spend it. I already snatch up wonder scrolls and potions of potential whenever I see them.

>>13527836
I'm having this problem as well. Aside from investment and select purchases there isn't much to spend gold on that would seriously put a dent in your gold total. I've been letting my pet loot all the gold I find as of late so that's at least something. I can rest assured she can now pay for her trainer for quite a long time.

>>13527836
Treasure maps at souvenir vendors, assloads of gamble chests for XP, spamming investment in shops to get larger inventories, stockpiling anything even theoretically useful.

>>13527862
My pet's pickpocketing is ridiculously high.

Every time she walks into town she has easily has enough cash to pay the trainer 3 or 4 times. I actually stopped taking her along right now just because I was afraid she would vastly outgrow my character.

Oh, well shit.

There was a crossbow I was about to offer to lulwy because gotta go fast. That was about two hours ago and I ended up not offering that specific crossbow, partially because it was tagged godly.

Well, it appears on the Use menu. It's alive apparently. I have an idea of what to do with a living weapon, but does anyone have any advice on not fucking up the development of one?

>>13527875
Speaking of outgrowing a character my pet's damage multiplier has finally overtaken my damage multiplier on my main weapon form of choice. I'm proud of her. She's come a long ways from the days where she would run to me crying that Kobolds were bullying her in the Puppy Caves to being able to tank an Atlas while I burst him down with spells or my gun.

I just recently beat South Tyris and I'm happy that my character is finally starting to age normally again. I plan on getting started on awakened dungeons but I fear for my pet. She's survived so far due to sheer hit points, high PV, and me healing her but she lacks resists. How do you high level people who run around with multiple pets keep your pets resists high? I'm having problems perfecting my own main character's resists and have just begun looking into building a gear set for her that has resists. I'm guessing artifact fusion will solve this problem?

>>13527959
I've been trying to raise my little girl as a heavy tanker, but she can't really keep up with me. I'm still pretty early-mid game though. Should I just let her get her shit punched in for a while or what?

Also i'm a good 8 versions behind, should I just bang my little girl and start over with a gene or what

>>13527969
If I were in your position I would hook her up with a couple gems to sell through the pot of fusion.

>>13527978
Well, for my angel, I sort of had that problem of er being lacking in use.

What I did exactly was first I gene engineered practically every skill onto her. The most important one was probably pickpocketing, in the long run. After that I kept giving her stuff to sell so she could trainer all her stat and skill potentials.

As I mentioned here >>13527875 she has a shitton of money to work with now and none of it comes from my pocket, and she also outspeeds and outdamages me.

>>13527908
resist sticks or godslayers are both acceptable.

Read over the wiki because there's a mistranslation that's still in the game.

Savescum just in case, honestly.

>>13527959
Artifact fusion will absolutely fix your problem. These are my resist boots, they don't let me die.
Also level attribution shield for yourself. Once you start awakened dungeons you'll want to keep going higher and higher level, you will need it, trust me.
You'll also be able to craft some great gear for her and yourself once you start awakeneds. She'll do fine.

>>13527813
When you finally do get it, let us know. I'm curious myself and people have asked in the past.

>>13527836
Just put your extra in a kitty bank now and then. Once you start getting silly amounts from dungeons it isn't a bad idea to buy a bunch of 1.25mil potions of potential from the larna vendor. Helps you maintain 400% potentials.

Treasure maps might also be a good idea, but if you're buying every scroll of wonder your wizard harvest is probably high enough that you have quite a few of those already.

>>13527969
These are the three things I've done to get my little girl to where she is now.

1) Let my pet loot the gold from dungeon bosses so that she can for her trainer. Pickpocketing can do the same if you gene engineer the skill into her but I started getting serious about making her a adventuring buddy later in the game so I let her loot my dungeon bosses to jump start her funds for training.

2) While in town let her visit her trainer. Just rest up, read magic books, go fishing, etc. She'll make multiple visits to her trainer and afterawhile she'll have 400% potential in both stats and skills.

3) I personally feed my pet only one thing. Blessed or unblessed Curarias. Interestingly with just this she can get 1-3 stat ups from doing just that which is crazy considering I have to use the herb in recipe to regularly get that. I use Curarias because it looks like they train every stat and you usually get a lot of them when you go to farm your herbs.

As for pet levels once you get to South Tyris there is an NPC that sells high level monster balls. You can then use the monster balls to capture high level creatures to gene engineer into your pets to level them up. I captured panic quest monsters to supercharge her levels but this caused a big discrepancy in stats vs her level. This isn't bad if your stats are already in the 100s but when you're lv 155 with only double digit stats this is a bit unsettling. Through the above dieting I explained above I was able to get her stats to where they are today.

>>13528032
Pretty sweet boots you got there. Looks like I should get started on setting myself up with artifact fusion as soon as possible then. My pet will definitely benefit and I could definitely benefit with finally getting some good boots on my character. Seriously, my boots are laughably bad.

If I superior material scroll this ring into dawn cloth it won't lose the artifact fusions, right? 5 Mana would be way more useful than 3 life right now.

>>13528124
Have you been saving up your scrolls of gain attribute? I'm a fairy so I didn't need that many, but with all the extras I still have I'm sure I could get superb resists in every element, and you've been playing as long as I have.

Now that you have 2000 speed (still baffled and impressed) you can also spend your medals on a garroks hammer to make those into an artifact if you so choose.

Artifact fusion is a game changer. In the interest of showing off, this one is my baby. The addition of barrier hasn't made it less useful either, considering I'm going to hit 1/3rd mana eventually.

>>13528162
Yeah I've been throwing all the gain attribute scrolls I've found along the way into my 4th dimensional pocket. I'll look into getting the hammer then but that's a ways off for me at the moment. Since I've been channeling all my medals into Hermes Blood I've been missing out on Scrolls of Growth. I need to start rebuilding a stockpile of them to use again.

If I get a fountain wish, can I wish for a rod of wish?

>>13528258
I don't think you can wish for a rod of wish. At least the last time I tried a long time ago it didn't work. Things may of changed though. I know an anon earlier got a rod of wishing through harvesting a magical plant and they can sometimes be found in dungeons.

>>13526148
It keeps happening. I wish I could help him somehow.

>>13528474
Try hitting tab and typing in what you want to say to him. Maybe he'll see it. Although it seems he's just doing random stuff and wandering into and out of places with little heed to danger. He'll learn sooner or later what he can and can't get away with.

I'm looking for a Mra to use as a shopkeeper, where should I look in South Tyris ? And when I end up finding one can I just zap it with a wand of domination and get it ?

>>13528581
MRA is a lv 174 monster so a decently high level dungeon should have it. If your magic device is good enough and you have the wand you should be able to get it.

What do I have to fuse onto my pets to get them pickpocket?

>>13528644
The wiki makes it out to be that the skills or parts gained through fusion depends on the recipient. My pet is a little girl and while I don't know exactly which creature gave her pickpocketing I know that it came from the slave trader in Derphy.

>>13528704
Hmm. I'll mess around with it then and see if I can't figure out what to put on the older sister I picked up.

I tried a robber earlier but that just gave her tactics and negotiation.

>>13528791
try another robber, you have a limit of two skills at a time you can add. I'm not sure what I used either but nearly every one of my pets have pickpocketing too from derphy, I think that's what I used. Otherwise get them everything else then throw a gain attribute skill at them?

>>13528474
>Not helping Myoe as well

Have a heart anon.