/jp/ - Otaku Culture

When they were announcing this announcement most of the replies wanted ciel instead of as+. I don't understand why they still expect ciel to sell worse than something like as+.

I'm upset that it's digital only, but I'm not sure what I expected honestly

>>13440267
Just saw the news, KT pulled through, kinda.

>>13440338
Because Ar is more a traditional JRPG, which has proven to be quite popular in the west, whereas Ciel is a dating sim VN communications game? which is wakarimasen, lol.

>more literal shit for lowlifes to eat up
Who am I quoting?

>>13440267
Why buy? Translation is still shit, unless they fixed that.

>>13441349
On a scale from FFVI to SAO, how bad was PS3 Ar no Surge's translation?

>>13440267
I wish Ar Tonelico got more new material. I know the plot ended at AT3 but the worldbuilding is so expansive and detailed that it's a waste.

so vita physical release in the US

>>13441839
>physical
I'm sorry, anon.

If 3rd Gens doesn't have Hymn Codes, then how does Ar Tonelico authenticate them? Can you download hymn crystals into them?

>>13440448
NISA is has a physical version for preorder which costs $55.

>>13442122
>If 3rd Gens doesn't have Hymn Codes
Do you have a citation for that? Because if I remember correctly, 3rd gens of Ar Tonelico do have Hymn Codes; maybe you're thinking of Infel Phira 3rd gens, which do not have Hymn Codes?

I'm not sure if you can arbitrarily download hymn crystals into reyvateils, but there are limits on which hymn codes are allowed to sing which songs. For example, only Shurelia can sing EXEC_SUSPEND/.

>>13442207
I hope that's not just a catalog mistake.

>>13442415
it's not a mistake, you can go on their website and preorder

Does anyone here have raws of the Ar nosurge manga? Its distribution on the Niconico manga site is slowly coming to an end so I'd like to archive them at least.

>>13441545
AT2 level with bunch of typos.
>>13440590
More like because translating ciel would take ten times more effort.

>>13442122
From wiki:

Generally speaking, Third Generation Reyvateils do not have a Hymn Code and thus cannot sing Extract-Type Hymns. They are however still connected to a Song Server and will be able to use Song Magic, making them as useful as other types of Reyvateils. There are exceptions to this however; occasionally, from an error arising from the Song Server, a Third Generation Reyvateil may be given a Hymn Code of another Reyvateil. The Church of Origin use a special Grathnode Crystal known as D Cellophane Grathnode Crystal on the Maiden of Origin. The D Cellophane Grathnode Crystal assign the Hymn Code of the Reyvateil who made the Grathnode Crystal. If a Third Generation Reyvateil has a Hymn Code, they can sing Extract-Type Hymns.

>>13442900
I see, if Aurica didn't accidentally register as Mir she wouldn't be able to sing Purger. Luca also got her bases covered. Total command strong.

Did we ever get any explanation why Luca was carrying D-cell around?

>>13443033
Luca is the Maiden of Mio. She received it naturally like all the other maidens.

>>13442900
That's interesting, because song magic is actually an Extract-Type Hymn called EXEC_HYMME/. I always thought that 3rd generations were assigned a hymn code so they could sing EXEC_HYMME/., but just a pleb level hymn code with no other permissions. Maybe a guest account? Still, it would seem like a gaping security hole, for example, that Sol Cluster or IPD reyvateils could take advantage of to trick Ar Tonelico into accepting their songs.

>>13443261
Ar Tonelico can't process New Testament, though, and IIRC IPDs cannot into central dialect. Infel Phira emulates AT but not vice versa.

Harvestasha's specialty is EXEC_FLIP/. Other than that it's identical to AT.

Have you preordered the Surge Concerto art book yet? It's just ￥2500 + shipping for international customers. http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4775809636

I've been trying to get into the relocalization forum all day without success, just 404 errors, not even the topic, the board too.

Any chance you could upload the patch yourself OP?

>>13443430
Check the ghost version of this thread there's a DL there.

>>13443522
The link says undub + rakifix

Is that the relocalization?

Why is it only on the ghost version anyway.

>>13443536
It's the retranslation. Even has the opening screen proclaiming as such.
As to the ghostposting I'm not going to spread a link around that was posted in another thread.

>>13443566
Thanks a lot m8, I've been searching for it all day.
I got the PS3 version of Ar no Surge and I wanted to play AT before playing it.

>>13443430
Anon please
>You need to register to access the subforum:

>>13444898
Not a bad thing. The AT community could use some new blood.

I don't know if this is the right place to ask but since some are discussing about AT, might as well ask.

Is there a torrent of a AT music collection? Specifically, I'm looking for the Krut Hymneth soundtrack. At least, I want to have a better quality of the Hymn concert sountracks. Just finishing At2 makes me want to look for the soundtracks.

>>13445233
>Is there a torrent of a AT music collection?
Literally 10 seconds in Nyaa, don't be lazy.

>Specifically, I'm looking for the Krut Hymneth soundtrack
I have all 3 songs in mp3 from that, I don't even remember where I got that from.

>>13445233
Musical Collection Anon here.

If anyone remembers me, yes, I'm still compiling the ultimate music pack of EXA_PICO series.
I just have a lot of shit coming for me this summer, so I slowed down.

But don't worry, I'll finish it, of course.

>>13445241
Both nyaa and baka torrents are incomplete, unfortunately.
I'm aiming for perfection.

>>13445241
Found it. Thanks. Quite large for my hdd since its in flac format. 3 seeds sadly.

>I have all 3 songs in mp3 from that, I don't even remember where I got that from.

If you don't mind, can you upload it?

>>13445493
By chances, are you the the one from the thread at /a/ last month?

>>13445691
Yeah, that would be me.

And you are, of course, that one anon, who were asking about Kruth Hymneth, right?
Everything will be done, don't worry.

I wish I had more freetime, though.

>>13445698
Just take your time anon, no need to rush.

Just the fact that doing it for us feels great. Godspeed for doing it since a collection is hard to upload.

I'm confused, what do they mean by 'Some of the dlc". Which DLC wasn't in the + version that you had to buy?

>>13440267
I really don't want to give NIS America money, but I want that physical copy.

>>13446737
Don't quote me on this as I'm just guessing, but I think it might be Shirotaka's Genometrics

>>13448283
I'm really hoping that isn't the one since I really don't want to pay $5 for one tiny portion of a game no matter how enjoyable it is.

>do lots of stuff in Ciel Offline
>game crashes
>haven't saved in a while
Fucking hell.

>>13448462
reminder to save often

>>13448302
According to Wikipedia, the Jap AnS+ includes all of the DLC, so I would think the Western release is the same unless NISA is some special kind of jew.

>>13452465
>unless NISA is some special kind of jew.
That is fucked up if they and KT try to pull a fast one.

Does AnS+ actually add anything over the PS3 version?

>>13452724
In Japanese version:
-New costumes.
-You can have bathtime chats with Sarly, Nelo, and Shurelia.
-You can select the positions for placing crystals by hand, using the touchscreen, if that's your kink.
-Included the DLC from the PS3 version:
=Bathtime chats with Kanon and Ney,
=Genometrics with Shirotaka.

>>13453083
Did they fix any bugs? Did the performance get improved at all?

>>13453083
>Sarly, Nelo
From playing the Jap version, I always thought they were Sally and Nero.

Official localizations include Sarly, Nelo, and Zill, even though Sally, Nero, and Jill make sense.
And I can never remember whether it is Nay or Ney. For that matter, the game itself isn't always consistent on all of the names.

>>13453137
I haven't any idea. I'm just going by Gust's web site http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/arnosurge/vita/

It's a shame that no one will ever be able to experience the original Ciel nosurge again. Especially since the online features are actually canonically part of the plot thanks to the Seven Dimension shenanigans.

>>13453138
>Nero
I guess that's understandable, but
>Sally
Her name is spelt out in the green terminal text in the introduction video

>>13453261
I'm about to buy the offline version.

Is there anything I should know? Should I be getting the online version or something?

>>13445691
>If you don't mind, can you upload it?

Try this
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6gttt00twgpazle

Reply again if it doesn't work.

>>13454023
no it's the same game just cheaper because no dlc needed

>>13454023
>>13454178
There are some changes, but at this point, there's no point in getting the online version.

You miss out on experiencing Ciel with all of the other players while it was being released, and you would have missed out on the thanksgiving event that happened recently. You also miss out on the full Ion dating experience, since the offline version cuts out some animations and interaction options and I hear online Ion starts out grumpy rather than cheerful.

Are the Surge game prequel to AT? Say I wanted to learn all about the series lore, where should I start?

>>13454893
Ciel Nosurge isn't a sequel nor a prequel, just the same universe. Ar Nosurge connects Ciel Norsurge and Ar Tonelico. So you should play Ar Tonelico 1 first.

>>13454901
Oh god a reply. Is the site back up?!

Any way to check if I'm missing any dates in Ciel nosurge? Trying to trigger marriage.My waifu is Mir, playing Ciel is hard on me...

>>13454325
>since the offline version cuts out some animations and interaction options
What? Where are you pulling this from?

About the other stuff, well, it's not that the offline version lacks things the original does. It's more metagame stuff. The community, being there while it was happening, just like MMOs. It's not that the game is any different.

But I'm still bothered by the first thing you said. I'll need some source on that. Why would they cut stuff.

>>13457075
>What? Where are you pulling this from?
From both the English and Jap wiki
http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/Ciel_nosurge:_Ushinawareta_Hoshi_e_Sasagu_Uta
http://ciel.wiki-wiki.jp/index.php?offline%2F%E5%A4%89%E6%9B%B4%E7%82%B9

>>13457088
Posted too early
>All the animations Ion had for transitioning between different actions were eliminated in replaced by either fade-to-black or chalk-style drawing slides. Similarly, her animations of walking around her room or putting on an apron when cooking were removed.

There's some other stuff.

>About the other stuff, well, it's not that the offline version lacks things the original does. It's more metagame stuff. The community, being there while it was happening, just like MMOs. It's not that the game is any different.
I'm not playing Ciel for the "game" (there's very little gameplay per se), I'm playing for the experience. And the experience playing the offline version now is vastly different from the experience playing the online version while it was being released. It's like the difference between playing an MMO that has a great community and an MMO that is dead, see? Same game, but it's different.

>>13457100
Welp.
>It's like the difference between playing an MMO that has a great community and an MMO that is dead, see? Same game, but it's different.
Yes, well, that's exactly what I said, man. But the difference is
>I'm playing for the experience
that the experience is single-player in this case. What's stopping you from not using the fast-forward function and trying to play it like the offline version?

At any rate, we're not even in disagreement. And moreso, I still don't even have a Vita. I'm just talking from the data I've gathered about the game.
You think if you put your mind into it you can't get something that's quite close to having played it since release day? Because that's what I'd like to get too.

>>13457159
It is a single-player game, kind of. Everywhere I've checked, Ciel nosurge is listed as a *social game* or *communication game*. Being able to communicate with other players was a core part of Ciel nosurge's design. I mean, you can imagine what it's like instead, but using the MMO analogy, imagine World of Warcraft rebalanced for single-player. You can still do all of the quests by yourself, but can you really say it's the same game?

It doesn't help that all of the other players playing with you is canon to the plot due to Seven Dimension shenanigans.

But you're right, you can play it single player and still experience the story.

>What's stopping you from not using the fast-forward function and trying to play it like the offline version?
The offline version was balanced for time-skipping. Harvesting times are doubled. You cannot set times for Ion to eat or sleep with you. Ion's world's time WILL get desynced from real time.

Also, I don't have a source, but I hear that online Ion started off grumpy and you had to gradually cheer her up, while offline Ion starts off cheerful right from the beginning, which greatly changes how you experience your relationship with Ion.

>>13441653

Well Arno and Ciel are set in the same universe, so why are you so disappointed?

Personally I loved how "meta" and different Arno was compared to AT1-3

Furthermore, as far as I know it's confirmed already that we'll get even more games set in the Exa Pico universe~

>>13452724
>>13453083

This is just my speculation, but I guess we'll finally be able to encounter the secret boss?

In the japanese PS3 Version you needed a Cielno savegame and those strange online features (which were removed in the western version) to unlock the boss,

and defeating it unlocked the costume feature for that specific playthrough.

And since we now get the costume feature as "new content" I'm wondering whether this implies they included the secret boss?

Did anyone here play the japanese version of Arno+ and could explain to me how they handled the costume feature? Was it unlocked from the very beginning and was the secret boss included?

>>13457814
Apparently the costumes were unlocked at the beginning and the secret boss was enabled without need of the online connect shit, for the Japanese Vita release.

So with Totori plus being on PS+ just now, what are the chances that we'll get the other 2 Arland games? Not sure if I should buy the other two, or wait.

Then again I've still got Ar plus on my backlog, since I haven't finished Ciel yet, so it'll be a while before I get to playing the Atelier games.

>>13457814

Bonus costumes are unlocked and selectable at the beginning of the game.

The other costumes are not unlocked and will require an unlock, which can be accomplished by defeating the secret boss OR beating the game in the Vita version.

Ciel nosurge save was never required for secret boss, just a network connection. The boss's HP was taken from Ciel nosurge so you didn't have to play Ciel to fight the boss.

That has been changed though and the boss now has a set HP pool that is independent of Ciel. It is possible that the localized version may include the boss as a result, but even if they don't, beating the game will give you full costume unlock anyways (set in system save, will activate for all games).

New content in Plus is basically 1 bonus outfit for each protag, and more talk-in-the-bath partner conversations.

>>13457075

> > since the offline version cuts out some animations and interaction options
>What? Where are you pulling this from?

They changed it in Offline that Ion does not transition between activities in real-time. In Online when, say, she was switching from Reading at her table to Changing (to get ready for bed/bath), she would get up, walk over to her bed area, draw the curtain, change, open the curtain, walk to the bath, etc.

In offline, a screen pops up saying she's "changing" then it slides off and she's done.

There are also small changes in some of the dialogues she gives, but none of it is a *major* game changer. Just slightly different.

>>13459405
Aight, thanks for the info. I guess I'll get 90% of the experience, even if not 100%.

>Gust completely abandoned Lilie style ateliers in order to make Arland ones
>Gust will never try to approach the heart of their players again and instead just keep making cute girls doing cute things atelier over and over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ASNA-n-uAk

>>13459733
You say this as if there weren't seven main-line Atelier games between Atelier Lilie and Atelier Rorona.

Or, do any games other than Atelier Lilie qualify as "Lilie style ateliers"?

>>13443379
>http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4775809636
is this on amiami/hlj or something? Ive never used amazon jp before..

I made a thing.
http://a.pomf.se/oonzmu.webm

I've always liked watching those singalongs on youtube, so I tried making my own when I realized nobody made these for Ar nosurge songs.
Comments on font choices are welcome, I can change them while I still have the project files.

>>13463760
>0:31
>the two images not aligned perfectly
This triggers me. Otherwise good stuff, though, you should try uploading it to youtube.

>>13463792
Yeah, there are only a few SC songs with lyrics on YT. As much as I love to read the lyrics, it's easier to do so and share in a video rather than in just text.

>>13444898
I'm the anon that asked that days ago.

There was no way to register, everything was 404 to me.

>>13463947
>http://a.pomf.se/oonzmu.webm

I really like it and can only recommend you to upload it to YT, too.

It's way easier to share that way and it'll get a lot more attention.

>>13462052
Well, after the Salburg trilogy there were a couple of games that tried to recapture the same charm marie, elie and lilie had of friendship and love.

I think the closest one was the Atelier violet, which was pretty good, but still not as good as Lilie though.

It feels as gust gave up completely on making ateliers like it after rorona

Anyone have a link to the Ciel Nosurge version of Class::EXSPHERE_NOSURGE;?

I'm waiting for somebody to dance the synthesis songs, and put them up on youtube.

Preferably live, but MMD could be interesting too.

>>13440267
>Plus is getting localized

>>13463670
On Gust's website it says it's Gust shop and Amazon only

I fucking hate Koei Tecmo.

>>13467317
ikr, they bought over Ar but not Ciel

>>13467317
Don't spit on the hands that feed you, anon.

The japanese have been a bit shaky with KT's acquirement of Gust, however.

>>13467610
They've only fed me poorly made scraps. I'd be better off learning to feed myself.

I'd be interested in hearing more about the Japanese view though.

http://social.gust.co.jp/newproject/

>>13467734
WHATS HAPPENING IN THREE DAYS?!

>>13467317
KT ain't that bad. Imagine if Atlus or NISA were on their place.

>>13467889
A NEW GAME

>>13467983
What about, what is the name again? Something that they announced years ago.

>>13468076
Chronos Materia, you mean? That had slightly different piano music.

>>13468087
Ah yes yes. Seems abandoned by gust.

Can someone explain why japanese are so obsessed with making games on handhelds which have no redeemable features besides the option to play in public? And if that was somewhat plausible they use it for games you DONT want to play in public at all costs.

>>13468369
But that isn't true, Ciel made good use of the Vita and wouldn't be the same on a home console.

>>13468369
If you are in a situation where you have to share your TV with a roommate or family, a handheld game device lets you play in more privacy. As long as you aren't also sharing your bed.

>>13468381
I know that Ciel used the camera on the Vita for scanning barcodes used in generating Sharls. Anything else?

>>13467734
>Shōjo X Gust
New Atelier.

>>13467934
KT have handled Gust's releases worse than NISA ever did. We all gave NISA shit for providing us buggy games with shoddy localisations, and then KT came along and kept giving us buggy games with shoddy localisations, except now they release half of them as digital-only too, and pull stupid shit like releasing Ar without Ciel.
It's a real sad fucking day when a series would be better off with NISA than with you.

>>13468460
It's been a while since I played Ayesha for the PS3, but I feel like these errors weren't even in the original? Did they add spelling mistakes and such shit to a port, or am I just not remembering it correctly?

>>13468883
I can't speak for the script, but I do know that the alignment issues are unique to the Plus version, which KT and Actill handled. It shits all over the journal aesthetic.

>>13468903
Actill seems to respect the source material a lot more than NISA did, but their QA just sucks so much. It's awful.

>>13468917
Their QA is non-existent. AnS's original release is a testament to that.

>>13468917
>>13468921
More likely their devs just ignore the fuck out of their QA. There's no way nobody could have noticed that, but it's entirely likely it got pointed out and the devs went "we'll fix it later" or the bug just got ignored entirely until everyone in the public started pointing it out.

>>13468453
I'm hoping for a new AT game aka Make Your Own Girl simulator.

>>13468369
Lower cost of developing the game. That's one of the appeals of the DS and 3DS due to its low resolution.

Handhelds have high sales figures in Japan.

Japanese homes are small and they don't necesarily want to have consoles lying around.

>>13468903
Same with Rorona Plus. There's a bunch of tutorial screens that are new in Plus and they have a few typos. Meanwhile the original NISA content is totally typo-free.

Every single TK localization of GUST games have had noticeable typos sprinkled throughout.

>>13467734
>Fail tier
Mobile game

>OK tier:
New entry in Atelier series
New entry in Surge Concerto
Original game

>Hype tier
New EXA_PICO IP
AT remake as a multimedia project
VR waifu game

>>13469828
Supporteil was pretty rad when it was still maintained, a game that expands on that would be based.

>>13470028
>Hype tier
Akira Tsuchiya in TOTAL COMMAND

>>13470131
Everyone in Gust already accepted EXA_PICO as Akira Tsuchiya's thing. It's a given that he'll be TOTAL COMMAND. It's KT that I'm worried about; they already screwed up once with Ar Nosurge release.

>>13468460
NISA is more like a shoddy rewrite.

>>13467734
>that beautiful GUST music
https://strawpoll.me/4337121

>>13470426
I'd rather have them explore other areas within the AT universe than make a straight up sequel/prequel. Something to do with the different races would be interesting.

>>13471026
Ironically, that would be difficult because AT's world is so fucking small. All three landmasses combined is probably as big as or smaller than Japan. There's like four capital cities combined, and each of those cities is about the same size as Middle-Of-Fucking-Nowhere, Texas. The entire living population is probably smaller than New York's.

>>13467734
SOON

http://gematsu.com/2015/05/gust-announces-yoru-no-nai-kuni-ps4-ps3-ps-viita

http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2015/05/gust-announces-yoru-no-nai-kuni-for-ps4.html

>>13474063

>>13474063
>>13474068
I think gust is on CH level at this point.

>>13474063
>>13474068
I want to belive that this will be a good game

>>13474074
This one is an ARPG, it has a chance of being good.

>>13474063
>>13474068
For a second, i thought that was Ion.

>>13474248
Yeah, I remember last attempt of GUST to make an ARPG.

>>13474063
>action RPG

R.I.P.

http://gematsu.com/2015/05/more-atelier-on-the-way-gust-teases

>>13474248
I'm not even talking about what it will be, but why gust doing the same thing like CH did. You know, pandering.

>>13474519
I'm sorry, are we pretending that AT3 doesn't exist?

>>13474519
From an outsider perspective, all the promo art for Ar nosurge probably looks like mindless pandering too.

I have faith in Gust. The only thing I'm disappointed in is it being crossplatform.

>>13474063
>>13474359
I'm not sure how to feel about this.

>>13474519
Gust have had a heap of fan service in the Ar tonelico games, and cute girls for decades.
They're still not like CH because they actually make good games and characters that have a modicum of depth beyond their basic moe archetype and one running gag each.

>>13474489
Well that's good to hear, though I kind of want them to slow down. Atelier Shallie probably came out like it did because they rushed it. Just take your time, Gust.

>>13474359
>ARP
Meh, I won't throw it under the bus yet, but has Gust ever made one? Or at least a good one?

>>13474943
>has Gust ever made one?
Yes.
>Or at least a good one?
No.

>>13474489

>>13475014
I have yet to play Shallie but while I do see it as a casualisation I can't really say I disagree with the move. I don't really feel like the time limits ever added that much to the games. The biggest impact they had was making you shift over to NG+ to get the things you missed the first time around, and that just results in you repeating a lot of content that there's really no need to.

>>13474959
I wouldn't count AT3 as an ARPG if that's what you're talking about. ARPG means stuff like Ys.

That said, >>13474359 screenshot looks like a MH/Toukiden clone.

>>13475037
>I wouldn't count AT3 as an ARPG if that's what you're talking about.
What do you call AT3 then? Or Star Ocean, or Tales? Because those are widely considered ARPGs.

So Akira Tsuchiya isn't involved in this? This makes me sad. When will I get a new game by Akira Tsuchiya?

>>13475026
That depends on your playstyle. For me, the time limit causes me to optimize every action I take in the game: limiting synthesis to minimum time cost, maximizing travel efficiency, etc.

>>13475305
Uh, what's stopping you from optimizing everything if there isn't a time limit? That's like saying all games should have a time limit to cater to speed runners/optimizers.

>>13475305
I did the same thing, but mostly because the time limits necessitate it. Without the time limits you can go at whatever pace you want to.
The only place I can really see the time limits adding to the games was adding some more pressure to the events of Totori and Ayesha. But I don't think it added enough to be crucial.

>>13475152
No Akiko Shikata either, hmm.

>>13475364
>Uh, what's stopping you from optimizing everything if there isn't a time limit?
What's stopping you from dodging obstacles in platformers if they don't hurt you? You do it precisely because it's necessary; it adds to the challenge. There's no meaning to it if the game doesn't differentiate between success and failure.

>>13474063
>>13474359
Yay, new IP

>>13475152
>>13475522
>No TOTAL COMMAND or Goddess
My interest is dying fast

>>13476407
>There's no meaning to it if the game doesn't differentiate between success and failure.
And yet 100 million people still find Minecraft fun, even though it makes zero distinction between success and failure.

Hint: Some people enjoy doing things even if those things aren't forced onto them.

>>13476407
>There's no meaning to it if the game doesn't differentiate between success and failure.
But one of the most fun parts of Metroid and metroidvanias is sequence breaking just because you can. Personal satisfaction in doing the best you can in a game is its own motivation. Hell, that's the entire basis of the speedrunning scene.

>>13477215
Sequence breaking is all about the game acknowledging your efforts - you do weird things, the game rewards you with new content that would otherwise be reserved for people having gone through the proper steps.

>>13476791
>And yet 100 million people still find Minecraft fun, even though it makes zero distinction between success and failure.
There is a reward for building stuff, which is the fact that the structure you worked on remains in the game world for you to see and interact with. Most players won't just travel around and poke every animal they come across, because the game does not reward that behavior in any way. Stuff like building leaves behind persistent changes acknowledging your efforts.

A similar motivation in Atelier games (and a good comparison for speedrunning) would be if the game kept count of how many days you spend, then storing that number as 'high score' at the end of the game. Even if the number has no influence on gameplay, it serves as acknowledgement from the game itself and can motivate players to play differently to modify that acknowledgement (that is, get a 'better score').

>>13477308
>A similar motivation in Atelier games (and a good comparison for speedrunning) would be if the game kept count of how many days you spend, then storing that number as 'high score' at the end of the game. Even if the number has no influence on gameplay, it serves as acknowledgement from the game itself and can motivate players to play differently to modify that acknowledgement (that is, get a 'better score').
Exactly, you don't need a time limit (which is what the majority of people agreed on about Shallie).

>>13477340
The thing is, they didn't really compensate with the lack of time. The game was piss easy and a bunch of tasks that you would do along the way doesn't really help matters.

>>13477308
You didn't address the speedrunning part. Which I suspect is because your idea of having a score, such as the number of days, aka a measure of how fast you completed the game, is what speedrunners record themselves.

Do you need a game to tell you to feel proud for beating it? Are you not satisfied by winning a race if it doesn't flash up with YOU'RE WINNER afterwards?

>>13477369
I hope you're not saying the other Atelier games are hard though, because they aren't. I don't think the Atelier games were ever about being difficult or challenging, they are about item crafting and exploration.

Again, you're free to challenge yourself by speedrunning the games or not using any attack items, etc., but I think removing the time limit is overall a good thing.

Instead, the right thing to do would be to add more complex crafting mechanics for more advanced players.

>>13477406
I thought they could potentially have challenge if I don't prepare enough, yes. This game was the easiest one entry, that was lacking.

>>13477379
>Which I suspect is because your idea of having a score, such as the number of days, aka a measure of how fast you completed the game, is what speedrunners record themselves.
The reason I didn't address it beyond what I said about keeping score is because speedrunning is a meta thing. It's not comparable unless you have a play-atelier-in-as-few-days-as-possible community like you have a speedrunning community. I'm sure speedrunning wouldn't be as popular as it is if it weren't for the communities allowing you to compare your results to other players and show off your skills.

>Do you need a game to tell you to feel proud for beating it? Are you not satisfied by winning a race if it doesn't flash up with YOU'RE WINNER afterwards?
No, but the game does have to acknowledge that I've beaten the game and that I've won the race. It doesn't have to be flashy.

Imagine if you're playing a racing game, and instead of the race ending after you clear the last lap it just continues as if nothing happened and all you can do is either continue racing aimlessly or manually pause and quit the game. Wouldn't that feel completely anticlimactic and purposeless? In a non-timed Atelier game it's even worse because, in racing game terms, it doesn't even keep track of your lap times.

>>13477489

Pretty sure removing the time limit wouldn't magically make the ending disappear.

>>13477489
>I'm sure speedrunning wouldn't be as popular as it is if it weren't for the communities allowing you to compare your results to other players and show off your skills.
That's partly wrong. A lot of people really do enjoy speedrunning for the sake of speedrunning. There are quite a few games that are only being speedrun by one or two people and the only competition is against that one person's previous records.

>the game does have to acknowledge that I've beaten the game and that I've won the race. It doesn't have to be flashy
> and instead of the race ending after you clear the last lap it just continues as if nothing happened and all you can do is either continue racing aimlessly or manually pause and quit the game
Like GTA? Like Minecraft? Neither of those games ever acknowledge anything. You drove a tank into a helicopter in GTA? Not even a trophy. Raced around the entire city in one minute flat? Nope, the game doesn't time it for you, absolutely nothing special happens. Built a 1:1000 scale replica of Ar Tonelico in Minecraft? No trophy, no acknowledgement. Built a 1:1 scale replica of Ar Tonelico in Minecraft? Still no trophy. Not even a tiny popup that says congratulations. Built all of this in survival mode instead of creative mode or using a world editor? Minecraft doesn't care, may as well be the same thing.

Optimizing in an Atelier game doesn't have to be about speed. It can be about constructing the best possible set of items to meet a particular challenge. Remember the Golden Pigs in Atelier Iris 1?

>>13477724
This sort of challenge would also be more viable without a time limit. Say you had 10 bonus bosses with a bunch of different strengths and weaknesses. With a time limit you don't have time to make the best equipment for each character to set up your party for each boss; you have to just try and make the best all-purpose equipment instead. Removing the time limit changes it to purely a matter of how well you can prepare yourself.

>>13475364
No point, you can just grind everything because no time limits. Iris and MK were good without time management, but ps3 Ateliers without time management would be just grind fest as Shallie demonstrated.

>>13479220
It sounds like you suffer from a lack of self-control. If grinding makes the game easy, then don't grind. If you can't not grind then I would get that fixed since a lack of self-control is a pretty serious problem unless you find someone who is willing to control for you.

>>13479512

Are there people seriously arguing that removal of time limits is a good thing? Time limits are fun because they force you to be creative, act quickly, and utilize your resources properly instead of just mindlessly making the best thing or amassing a million resources. It's why Pikmin 1 is way better than Pikmin 2. It's part of why Arland is way better than Dusk.

They removed the time limit for Atelier Shallie and in that game they constantly make you travel back and forth over the ocean. It felt pretty shitty, but they can get away with it without the time limits.

So Ion is self aware of her impureness.

>>13480543
Atelier teaches me how to efficiently create schedule, something which my uni class fails to do so eventhough it's the key result of the course.
That's really tell how good it is.

>>13481804
Will it be lewd or will it just be cute?

>>13481804
NO LOLI NO BUY
BOYCOTT THIS

>>13481833
Well there's the clockwork midget in the bottom-right. But she's ugly.

>>13481804
Yuri, check.

>>13481833
Are you blind?

>>13481804
Yuri? Meh
Show me some gameplay, if that is shit then no buy.

>>13481804
I'll pass.

Watching the Ciel Nosurge playthough made me realize that I'm really missing out. Ion seemed like a really fun character and damn that's some thorough interaction the game is presenting us with.

English translation never. ;_;

>>13482847
Its funny how they say can't find an audience for a simulator, yet these days, waifu simulators are all the rage. People love to claim indifference about it in the West, but they can't deny it piques many interests.

>>13482900
>waifu simulators are all the rage
I haven't heard of this being all the rage in the west. Can you point to any commercial successes?

>>13481804
I hope this is really gay.

>>13482847
It is really fun spending time with her.

Ion is waiting for you passed the language barrier, surely you can conquer moon to be with her?

>>13483641
Is it revealed in Ciel that she's from Earth?

>>13483700
I'm on chapter 10. They haven't said it outright yet, but there's so many hints it's not even a spoiler. Especially on the dates, Ion clearly knows about a lot of things that don't exist in Ra Ciela. Hell, even the first chapter when she raises the flowers, no one recognizes them.

>>13483757
>tfw EOP

>>13481804
More scans

>>>/vg/103268857
>>>/vg/103269072
>>>/vg/103269314
>>>/vg/103269489

Yuri confirmed.

>>>/vg/103269668
>>>/vg/103269919

>>13483806
Does it say it, or are you just assuming based of images?

>>13483812
Pictures and a thousand words, folded over, etc.

>>13483812
Did Gust ever say that Mimi wanted into Totori's pantsu?

>>13483812
No, and I doubt Gust will go all the way either.

>>13483806
>GUST's two big series
>Atelier
>Surge Concerto
>No mention of Ar Tonelico

>>13484097
Cause AT's over

http://social.gust.co.jp/yorukuni/

>>13483806
>>13483810
Who's the artist / character designer for this one?

Gust tends to invent new subgenre names for these things. I wonder what
ジャンル：美少女従魔PRG
is supposed to mean?

>>13484334
Go look at what CH listed as the genre for Moero Chronicle, JRPG companies just use that genre spot for fun these days.

>>13484334
Pretty girl demon servant RPG

http://social.gust.co.jp/yorukuni/

http://social.gust.co.jp/yorukuni/

>>13484120
;_;

>>13484364
>ジャンル：こすってつまんでパンツを穿かせるRPG
Well, at least it's accurate.

>>13484370
>>13484334
They didn't even hide it eh.

>>13481804
>top right
>talking directly to the camera
this some meta shit again?

>>13484526
No, probably a standard encouragement or pre-, post-boss speech.

>>13483810
Now what's that sadist lady from AnS doing there?

>>13483806
>The inhuman ones, that once existed---
>Mankind approaches its victory against the the leader of the ghosts, the night king.
>But before defeat, the king scatters his tainted blood, planting the seeds of evil around him.
>All that came in contact with the cursed blood transformed, becoming demons that would steal the night from mankind.

>Ever since then, humans have lived under the light of the sun, but have surrendered the darkness to the demons that twist and writhe in the night.
>And the land without sleep, the "Land Without Night" was born.
>Covered in the night king's blood, a young girl, cursed with vampirism, devotes her life in service of the land, and fights for a girl who was to become a sacrifice.

>The land without night, that doesn't exist on the map.
>There they live and fight, a story of love between two girls scattered in the hidden crevasses of history told by no one
>A story of true love, that is above all, tragic, and is beautiful as the moon----

>>13484733
Nice, explicit yuri.

>>13484733
So our heroine is a vampire?
How guaranteed is it that she's nothing like a normal vampire?

http://gematsu.com/2015/05/yoru-no-nai-kuni-first-screenshots-limited-editions-announced

Looks good.

>http://forums.ffshrine.org/f72/lossless-video-game-soundtrack-thread-v2-126974/379.html#post2957407
>22290 MB
mfw ;-;

>>13486881
>>13484097
I like how GUST continues to ignore the existence of AT. I guess Koei isn't a big fan of it.

Oh well, there's still hope for a new SC game in the future.

>>13486858
Not impressed with the monsters, will need to see gameplay.

>>13487046
Those aren't monsters, those are your demons/summons.

Look at the map and face buttons.

>>13487008
AT story is complete and doesn't need any sequels. Another game in Exa Pico universe is a right decision.

>>13487008
Doesn't Bamco own the AT name anyway?

>>13487114
That's what I'm talking about, it looks similar to Ni no Kuni and it doesn't impressive me. Could be more like VP, but as I said, I need to see footage.

Ruurei is one of the most badass characters I've seen in a video game.

>>13487196

True enough. I wouldn't mind seeing an enhanced remake or port or somesuch, Tweak the gameplay, add a few new things, better graphics etc. They seem happy enough to do it with the Atelier games, so why not AT?

>>13490073
They probably lost the source code to the PS2 games, or it's just not worth the effort to port it since the architecture is so different and it'd require rebuilding the engine.

>>13490161
>it's just not worth the effort to port it since the architecture is so different and it'd require rebuilding the engine.
Right, because it's harder to port a PS2 game to to the Vita (ignoring stuff like FFX or P4G) than it is to port a PS3 game like Rorona to both the Vita AND the 3DS, never mind that they had to completely redo the graphics for the 3DS and optimize Rorona for the sad excuse of graphics power of the 3DS.

It's probably because AT lacks the mass appeal Atelier has, sort of like comparing Animal Crossing or Mario to EVE Online.

>>13490161
>They probably lost the source code to the PS2 games
As long as they aren't completely retarded, that's impossible.

>>13494416
Are you sure? That's a very common occurence in the industry. Maybe not necesarily for PS2 games, but look at Final Fantasy 7 and SE's re-release of the PC port.

New features like Steam achievements are tacked on in a hackish manner, not as parts of the original game. Their improvements to the port were done the same way people mod old games for higher resolution, etc.

>>13494444
Bad quality of a remake doesn't mean they lost the source code. Or did they officially admit they did?
Either way, if you have a company that makes money by using computers, one of the most essential things is having lots of backups. Even more so if your product is digital.

>>13494444
>New features like Steam achievements are tacked on in a hackish manner, not as parts of the original game.
That has absolutely no connection to whether or not they lost the source code. In fact, that's a good indicator that they didn't lose the source code because if they did in fact lose their code, they would have had to remake the game from scratch, meaning that new features would be tightly integrated into the game.

>>13494533
I'd say a good indicator of them losing the source code is them releasing the exact same game binaries from over 7 years ago with new features like achievements and improved graphics options tacked on via hacks instead of properly integrated with the game.

>>13494634
>improved graphics options tacked on via hacks
That's not very likely. You can't just hack better graphics into a binary blob, you'd need a team of dozens of genius programmers to attempt such a feat.

>>13494860
This really depends on the game engine, but you don't need much more than a good reverse engineer or two to integrate the new code written by your average programmers into the existing binary for the same OS.
They could even sidestep the technical hurdles and simply publish AT1&2 on PSN as PS2 Classics -- and the recent release of ArNo would contribute to their sales.
I don't think the source code matters (much) in this case, it's that AT1&2 are almost entirely sprite-based and HD remake would require a team of dozens of artists to redraw everything. The new HD engine doesn't have to be written from scratch if they reuse parts of YnNK engine to cover PS3+PS4+Vita systems in one go.

So I crafted the Ar noreceive tube but haven't gotten the Robot recipe. Is there anything else I need to do?

>>13494416
http://www.vg247.com/2012/05/28/silent-hill-hd-collection-ported-from-incomplete-code/
It's actually not that uncommon, though the SH collection is the only example that comes to mind right now. Here's some more I scrounged up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Knight_Rayearth_%28video_game%29
>As written in the translation notes in the instruction manual of the North American version, some of the source code to the original Japanese version had been lost due to a hard drive crash. The missing code was completely rebuilt for the US version.

http://www.arcade-history.com/?n=bubble-bobble&page=detail&id=343
> In 1996, Taito announced that they lost the original source code program to Bubble Bobble following a reorganization - when it came to the recent ports and sequels, they had to work from program disassembly, playing the game and (mainly) the various home computer ports.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.computer.ultima-dragons/b9wF43xJxog
>Believe it or not: At the end of Serpent Isle (with add-on), the company forgot to archive the game. There is no source code. It's gone.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/139695-Gearbox-Homeworld-Cataclysm-Re-Release-Comes-Down-to-Finding-the-Source-Code
>"The [source] code," he said. We don't know where it exists." Developed by Barking Dog Studios, the source code for Cataclysm has been missing for years, with no one seeming to know if a complete copy even exists anymore.

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/06/25/kingdom-hearts-1-data-is-lost-square-had-to-recreate-everything-for-hd/
>Nomura: “Kingdom Hearts 1 was created a long, long time ago, so actually the original data was lost. So, we had to research and we had to dig out from the actual games available, and recreate everything for HD. We had to recreate graphics, and it was actually not that easy.”

>>13498349
Those games are all significantly older than AT. Poor data management in the far digital past isn't a new thing. Losing source code for a game as late as AT (2006) is a lot rarer.

>>13498349

Don't forget Rome: Total War. I think I recall reading they just recently found that, though.

How would you feel if Nelico stole you from Ion?

Gust has finally reach critical chest mass with this character.

>>13504179
>finally reach critical chest mass
I thought that was Renall

>>13504310
Renall's were modestly sized whereas this girl's breasts are a popping out.

>>13504416
Not much difference, actually. Girl in that pic's just seem bigger because she's shorter and wearing that corset that pushes them up and in. Renall was taller, and just wearing a random tanktop that didn't provide as much support.

>>13498300
I'm going to try remaking the Ar noreceive tube and hope that retriggers the event. Ciel nosurge's bugs are so painful.

>>13504810
It takes like 3 days after finishing the Ar noReceive tube before the robot recipe event happens.
Patience.

>>13504179
>>13504310
>>13504416

deka-mune to rival kanon's.

>>13504462
Goddamn someone needs correct her posture

She really will need that cane in a few years

>>13504462
Nnnnnnnah

>>13504179
Is a tittymonster

>>13506603
I think the pimp stride suits her.

How far do I need to go in Ciel to get the most out of the Sekai Link/crossover stuff?

I'm itching to play Ar nosurge, but is it better to finish Ciel? Or can I play both?

>>13511132
I have played Ar nosurge without playing ciel. You really want to know some basics but i think thats mostly it.

>>13511132
Isn't Ar a sequel to Ciel? It would be a bit silly choosing to play a sequel without playing the first game.

The characters seem to be recurring anyway, so you'd be missing out by not getting the characterization in Ciel.

>>13511293
Ar is a sequel that was released before the ending of Ciel was released. And the gameplay of Ciel takes place during the middle of phase 1 of Ar.

So things aren't quite that straightforward.

>>13511628
Ciel is not translated tho

>>13511132
I haven't played Ciel but got around to finishing Ar this week. From my perspective playing Ciel isn't a requirement to enjoy this game but you will be missing out on some background info about the characters and world. I was totally lost for the first 4-6h of the game but gradually pieced together most of the story though dialogue and character interactions.


On an unrelated note has anyone searched for Ulyliyha or Nei Yuuki as suggested at the end of the game?
For anyone who did is the Facebook account owner the winner of a contest or something. I'd be curious to know how many messages were received because of that.

>>13511849
>Ulyliyha
Wasn't she from not-earth though?

>>13511236
>>13511293
>>13511628

With or without Ciel nosurge. Both ways are completely valid experiences. TOTAL COMMAND knew not all the potential RPG fans would have bothered with Ciel.

>>13512239

Due to how the 7-dimensions work and the lack of any clarification from Ulwhatever herself, it's not really clear.

We do know that Ion's "Earth" isn't our Earth either. It's same time/place but parallel dimension so no, don't go trying to find Nei-chan.

"Your princess is in another castle."

>>13512292
I thought Ion's Earth IS our Earth, but Zill's general fuckery plus Zu-Fao Jen-Din means any attempt to get back here will 'miss' as dimensional coordinates are relative to the dimension you're leaving and all that

>>13512546
That would make sense if we connected to Exa_Pico before that all happened, but our earliest connection to their dimension is at the start of Ar noSurge, which is of course some 5000 years after the events in Ion's memories in Ciel.

The coordinate drift is what let us connect to Exa_Pico instead of someone from Ion's Earth.

>>13512569
>The coordinate drift is what let us connect to Exa_Pico instead of someone from Ion's Earth.

Please elaborate further, I really don't get it (I'm another Anon)

>>13514161
To make it easier, lets imagine the multiverse is just a 2-dimensional grid, with Ra Ciela originally being at 0,0.

When they bring Ion to their world, they dial a bunch of coordinates, in this case "3 up, 2 to the right from where we are now", with would bring Ion from an Earth at 3,2.

Then the 6th Dimensional Shift Bullshit happens and Ra Ciela gets moved left 1, ending up at 0,-1.

When they connected our Interdimend up at/before the start of Ar noSurge, and the camphor program up before Ciel noSurge, Sarly used the same coordinates they used to bring Ion, but because of the 6th dimensional shift moving Ra Ciela one to the left, the coordinates "3 up, 2 to the right from where we are now" now go to our Earth at 3,1 instead of Ion's Earth at 3,2.

The reason Ion gets sent back to her Earth after Ar instead of being sent to ours, is because she gets drawn back by the pull of her connection to her home dimension, instead of relying on relative coordinates to dial anywhere.

Of course it's a lot more complicated than that because you have 7 dimensions to work with, but it's the same principle.

>>13514227
Oh, and fun fact: If we'd sided with Nelo and done things her way, Ion would have been sent to us instead of being sent home, but Nelo would have also missed her own home by that same amount, and both would have been stuck in dimensions remarkably similar to their own. They would also still feel that "pull" towards their home dimensions but would now have no way of ever getting there, and it's also possible the "pull" would probably be worse considering how close to home they'd be.

So by stopping Nelo we actually saved her from making things worse for herself.

And fun fact 2: We actually get to see the coordinates the Ar noSurge Tube dials to connect to our world in the opening for Ar. They are:
>D-1 : 119.4547345 xt.
>D-2 : 22812.3665367 yt.
>D-3 : 2232.122434 zt.
>D-4 : 13772634728:9:26:9:0:0 tt.
>D-5 : 38493/f453d33/dew4g4w/g5gg121/4329_E it.
>D-6 : EEASFRFV$SDED$EDEGGTTEE$CVFRGGRDFR$SDSSD ct.
>D-7 : N/A

I like to imagine that the next Exa Pico game will be to try to rescue Ulyliyha from her near-endless captivity by a world of demons.

In other words, the game as player 2 would see it.

>>13514227

Thank you for explaining this for me

>>13514277
>D-7 : N/A
Why? What does it mean?

>>13514738
"We've run out of actually meaningless string of characters to place here."

>>13514738
Straight from the wiki (I have no idea if it's correct):
>Seventh Axis - World
>The seventh and final dimension known corresponds to the World itself, though its axis is not known yet. To put it simply, it comprises an entire world: its possibilities, space, time and Qualia are all contained within a point in the Seventh Axis, while the other points correspond to entirely different worlds from the Universe of EXA_PICO itself, of which there is no knowledge available.

The magic of science.

>>13515675
waifu2x looks like shit on this image

>>13514738
>>13515035
The Seventh dimension is every single possible world in EXA_PICO. Moving across the Seventh dimension means moving to a different world/continuity altogether, for example moving from the EXA_PICO multiverse to the Nasuverse.

It also means that our Earth exists in the EXA_PICO world.

>>13505070
Still nothing. I guess I'll go play Moero Chronicles for awhile...

>>13516016
>Akira Tsuchiya created the whole EXA_PICO universe for his RPGs
>Earth is part of EXA_PICO universe

So this whole song and dance is Tsuchiya's god complex in action, right?

I AM

>>13516609
BONE

>>13516516
Tsuchiya confirmed for being a Demonbane.

>>13516609
>>13516614

While I certainly appreciate lewd, I do hope there turns out to be more to the game than just panty shots and cleavage.

>>13516016
>>13516016
I wouldn't say it exists in their universe but our Earth is "connected" to it by their multiverse theory.

>>13518099
>tfw you have friends who, for whatever reason, won't follow you into the EXA_PICO fandom

So alone

What is it about this setting that inspires such isolation and fanaticism?

>>13514295
I need this.

>>13514227
>>13514277

Wait, so, technically, all the endings in the Nosurge games are actually happened because there are infinite Ra Ciela, Earths, possibilities, and choices made? eg: Normal ending actually happened alongside with the true one, it just happened on different universe with 'different' Ion on different save, and both of them connected by the player.

>>13521503

Yep, exactly. All you trophies hunters should pat yourselves on the back for what you did to Cas and Delta.

>>13522139
Really Cass was so generic they made whole last level of genometrics to 'prove' she's not. I cant say about Delta anything besides he's covert pervert. It almost makes sense in Shurelia ending

https://youtu.be/mh5vyvMGhqE

>>13523041
Goddamnit, Mangos, get out of here

>>13522565
What are you even on about? Casty was one of the more well developed characters in the game.

>>13521503
Doesn't Sarly explicitly say this when you craft the item you need to fight Ar's secret boss?

>>13523584
Generic does not mean undeveloped. I merely mean she has absolutely no outstanding features which would make her interesting, well maybe besides her looks.

>>13525265
Though Casty is undeveloped in one sense.

>>13526380
What would Ion look like with a chest size like hers?

>>13526380
That's her fault for incarnating herself while she was still in her growing phase.

Though Delta having an eternal loli wife is probably worth it.

>>13526380
>>13526380
Yes, she does have thin arms

She should start lifting

>>13526484

She would look like Nay.

>>13528572
Speaking of, she's cute.

>>13526380
Cas is perflat, just the way I love them.

Wow, Ciel is just tragedy piled upon broken ideals piled upon tragedy.

>>13534781
And then Ar piles on more tragedies upon broken dreams.

Most dystopia works aren't this bleak.

>>13529388

SLEEP WITH HER NOW.

>>13534825
>Most dystopia works aren't this bleak.
I think it's because most dystopias have a clearly evil entity ruling the world. Here, it's just a bunch of (too) well-meaning people and a few unfortunate coincidences, and everything breaks.

>>13534920
And Zill, don't forget her

>>13534923
If this was any other setting/series, they would have put a bullet in her head when they had the chance. Jesus fucking christ.

>>13534929
Shit, they should have done so anyway. If I'd been allowed more direct control over Earthes I would have fucking done it myself. The Ciel Translated videos aren't far enough in for me to know if Sarly's dad is really any bad and he's probably not if this series is anything to go by, but Zill seems to be the only totally irredeemably evil asshole on the entire Soreil.

>>13534923
I haven't gotten to Ar yet, but I wouldn't say she was irredeemably evil in Ciel. She simply lost all faith in the current humanity, and you can't really say she's wrong. Had her plan succeeded, there would undeniably have been peace.

>>13534956
I don't think Nelo is that far off. I mean she tried to commit genocide on TWO different human civilizations and got little more than a slap on the wrist for it, if even that.

Yes, it's true she's a tragic figure and got utterly screwed before any of the Ciel stuff even happened but still.

>>13534993
In Ciel, Nero wasn't trying to screw the Ra Cielans over out of pure spite, it just so happened the only way for her to get back involved doing so and she didn't care to avoid it (and I wouldn't either in her shoes). If there were a way for her to get back peaceably, I doubt Nero would have chosen to screw them over just because, especially if Ion were there to convince her.

>>13535030
And if it weren't for Renall's idiotic father, Nero would have tried a different way, so she was trying to change before shit hit the fan. But Jill? Nope, a bitch all the way through. I will never forgive her for all the hell she put Nay through.

>>13534956
I think taking someone's daughter hostage to force them to build what's effectively a doomsday device and threatening to kill said daughter in front of the father's eyes while killing him slower might qualify as evil, regardless of your other intentions.

Hi. I did a video for Class::EXSPHERE_NOSURGE; .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BywGBJDXQ0c

Seems like Ion doesn't know about the purest form of love.

>>13535898
Great job, but red text on a black background is unreadable.

>>13536178
I wish you'd actually say what's being said in these as well as making the comments about them, because all i see in there is an "ah" and a "no" and I can't read the rest of it yet

>>13537657
You wouldn't get it out of context if you haven't played the game anyway, and it's a biggish spoiler.

Also, sorry but reality check: If you can't read that, it'll be at least a year before you can play Ciel, and that's working your ass off. Keep at it though, there's only one path to literacy and it's hard.

Besides, the empress is a girl. So that doesn't count!

Ion kissed the empress as part of the succession ceremony.

>>13535898
You the same guy who did the Reincarnation webm?
Can't say I agree with the choices of BGs or filters but whatever.

>>13536178
Considering how much she enjoyed stepping on Kanon, I would disagree.

>>13540473
Nope, she only found out that she might have a bit of sadist side to her, not the same.

>>13537710
Yeah but she was old so it doesn't count

was this general always this active?

>>13540697
Ion is clearly well versed in the purest form of love.

>>13540827
Ion loves bitches and bitches love Ion

Ion loves bitches and bitches love Ion

>>13540827
Helping your friend cope with the fact she has no place in the world isn't the same.

is there a flag for getting Ion to go to the parts shop with you?

I asked her first thing in the morning and she still said "there's not enough time left today"

>>13542384
Try asking in the middle of the night.

>>13540827
The irony is strong. Truly the love that Ion feels for Kanon IS the purest form of love.

>>13541237
This scene was so hot I couldn't help myself and fap afterwards.

>Less than two months away until bath time with Nero

>>13541237
So if Nay services Ion's body is that selfcest?

>>13543586
How is bath time with the enemy explained?

>>13543973
I think you should be using spoiler tags, anon.

>>13544068
Doesn't need explaining, Cass probably tells her its better to take a bath now before she just so happens to get eaten up by the horrible new god like being, and she doesn't want her going in alone and feeling lonely so she forces Delta in.

As for Earthes is just because, you paid good money for this port and you will be getting your damn money's worth.

>>13544068
To be fair, Nelo is surprisingly amicable for being damn near the primary antagonist of the game. I mean at one point doesn't she get captured and they still just let her wander around and chat to her like nothing's happened?

>>13543586
Oddly enough I'm more interested in talking to Sarly and Shurelia. Sarly's insight on stuff that happens would be pretty interesting, especially her last few talk topics with Earthes.

And Shurelia just for more backstory and if she's aware or going to drop references to all the horrible shit that's just a few years or even months away from happening to Ar Ciel

>>13544948
>especially her last few talk topics with Earthes
Oh god, some of Nay and Kanon's last few topics with Earthes were heartbreaking. Now I have to endure three more sets of those? Maybe even four considering Shurelia's going to be saying goodbye forever to Delta too?

>>13544948
Certainly a good thing they got there before some bitchass Teru ruined everything for everyone.

No, I don't care about their reasons, they just made things worse

>>13544948
I wonder if they will explore Sarly putting Delta through the entire game as a controller. I know Taabo will always be Taabo, but still he took it surprisingly well, fast, and understanding. I hope they talk at least a bit about it.

>>13544988
I know man, I know. The one where even Nay got all upset and serious...

>>13545325
I love that picture

It's what the song was actually about too