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>>13388736
grind moar.

>>13388736
Grind moar. Also, Zeome is one of the few spellcasters who has no ranged attack, so teleport away and hope you can overcome his healing.

why am i getiing raped in dungeons half my level

>>13388832
You are dressing provocatively.

What should I be putting on priority for my gold?

I have a lot of it and an Estate right now... more housing room?

level 34

>>13388856
You should upgrade to a castle when you can. Get as many magic vendors as possible for your home and invest in them. Try to get their shop lv to 100 to start with. Useful potions such as potentials are available on magic vendors.

After that use your gold to invest in every vendor in every city that you think is worthwhile. Once that's done get a shop and a museum opened up if you don't have them already. Both should help in gold generation. If you need more storage room get a storage or dungeon.

Lastly, start getting farms and ranches going. You'll want farms for vegetables, fruits, and herbs. The ranches will give you eggs and milk. By having both you should have 3/4 of the things required for large picnic baskets which help in maintaining stat potentials. The farms should also give you a steady food supply and your herb farms should help in stat development.

>>13388905
thanks

for house NPC's are General goods vendors worth hiring?

What is the difference between "General Goods" vendor and "General Store" vendor

What should my NPC make up look like?

Currently have a maid, wizard, barkeep.

Current pets @ level 34 =

level 22 little girl
level 22 little girl
level 19 Defender god pet
level 21 older dog sister (using a gun)
level 17 Jure Swordsman
level 10 Rogue Warrior

What should I be doing with pets they seem to die very easily.

>>13388905
Also I hear scrolls of ingcognito don't work on guild leaders anymore.

I am a mage guild member how the fuck do I get fighter guild and thief guild skills now?

>>13388935
Sounds like they've got shit equipment. Go harden their armor at least.

>>13388935
Have you tried giving them greater evasion skill?

>>13388954
Don't necessarily have to be married to any guild in the game. If you really want a skill from another guild just ask to join the particular guild you want and do the quest for them to join. When you want to go back to the mage guild just redo the join quest for the mages guild.

It's a hassle I know but the option is always there for it.

>>13388935
I currently have a maid, a wizard, and 3 magic vendors for my castle. I'm holding out for more magic vendors but if RNG keeps screwing me over I'll just fill my remaining spots with blackmarket vendors. My reasoning for the blackmarket vendor is that if I invest well into them they'll have a nice list of equipment and I'll have a better crack at finding a living weapon off of them. Also, there lists may generate decent gear for pets as well.

As for pets. If you want to make them stronger start gene engineering creatures into them to raise their levels and give them necessary skills. An important skill to give them is pickpocket.

Generally, what's good for your character is probably going to be good for them. So give them good equipment and also feed them blessed potions of potentials as well to keep all their stat potentials in the superb range. Your pet's pickpocket skill should let them loot enough gold so that when they're at town they'll go to a trainer to train up skill potentials. To help in this you could also just let them loot the gold that drops off of the bosses in the dungeons you clear if you don't need it.

>>13389038
Cool thanks

so Goods Vendor/General Store Vendor aren't worth having?

>>13389038
Pet training also raise stat potential, so you should keep your potions of potential for yourself.
Each training raise a flat 2%stat/3%skill potential.
Training cost is determined by INI and never go up, so if you plan to have a pet forever get it weak.

Soon enough, it shall be stuck at 400% potential for everything.

>>13389055
Cool. Was always wondering if the trainer also did that but wasn't sure so I just fed my pets those potions for awhile. The more potions for me the better.

>>13389046
I would prioritize getting as many magic vendors as you can but if you feel like you have enough get whatever you want to fill the remaining spots. I went with blackmarket vendors but I suppose people will go for others based on their own reasons that range from role playing to convenience.

I'm fine with just three but that may be because I've invested in all the magic vendors of North Tyris and South Tyris. I have a large pool of magic vendors to draw from if I'm shopping for something in particular.

>>13389046
Goods vendors sell scrolls, wonder being regular, and rods of fire walls, for combining with all the salt solution you get from the magic vendors.
Also they sell furniture, handy if you're not rank 1 yet or just want to pretty things up without leaving your home.

Would you mind posting your character screens?

>>13389167
No bully.
This is like my real first character after a few trial and error runs.

Yesterday my vampire girl decapitated that Siva faggot.
How cool is that?
All my little girls survived too.
The only casualties were the silver bell that was killed instantly and the yellow fire dragon that went down at the very end.

>>13389276

Wow your stats are so high despite such a low level and speed

>>13389296
I don't want to be much faster than my pets so I keep my speed around their level.

>>13388856

Invest in Magic vendors in towns you pass by the most as well as your own Magic vendors. Always look out for potion of potentials, flying scrolls and books of wishing since those are the things you'll need for a looooong time.

>>13389315

Can't they handle awakened dungeons yet so they'll drown in AP?

>>13389338
Yes they can survive up to level 150 awakened dungeon but I just started doing them.
This is a very old character (I have backup from 2009) so all the INI value were fucked up for a long time until I actually fixed everything in elosnack.
Now they get a bunch of AP (except my pro-jet. I wish I could teach her BakuretuKen).

>>13389371
How did you know what to change your pets' INI to?

>>13389393
I looked at some screen of characters similar to mine. There is a formula too on the wiki.

>>13388736
http://pastebin.com/T2RCwdh8

let's talk about Younger Sisters, and by extension, the Roran race.

Younger Sisters are born (spawned?) fully formed, with outward appearance of a 12-year-old, when certain magic items are used ("Diaries"). They come fully clothed, and with a set of fake memories - they regard the activator of said item as their non-blood-related brother/sister, and loves and trusts them unconditionally. This is to such an extent that, with some coaxing, they make willing suicide bombers (c.f. Elona Shooter). Unopened Diaries are, therefore, in great demand by slave traffickers as well as Yerles medical/research labs, where Rorans are ideal donors for organ transplants and subjects for various experiments.

It is likely that Rorans are the results of genetic experimentation in a previous Era. As a member of the Roran race, Younger Sisters are naturally attractive. Perhaps 'naturally' is is the wrong word - their facial features and natural body mannerisms have a significant, measurable superstimulus effect on human subjects, eliciting feelings of protectiveness and affection, much more than female human children of the same age.

>>13389968
All Younger Sisters have the same facial features, build, hair and eye color. Individual specimens have deviation of less than 0.05% when freshly spawned. Subsequent living conditions and experiences will lead to greater variation, but surprisingly little even then.

Younger Sisters are biologically very similar to humans, to the point where organ transplants are possible, except for their strange reproductive system (more on this subject below). Their blood type is always the same as the person opening their Diary. It is theorized that this was one of the primary motivations for the development of this race.


Little Sisters come with an eclectic selection of skills at spawn, of varying usefulness.

- they can sing with reasonable proficiency.
- they can cook - not well, except for a knack for making chocolates.
- they are naturally proficient with many weapons, as a from of genetic memory. Small knives are preferred due to their size and build, though they can be surprisingly proficient with firearms.
- they cause superstimulus reactions of protectiveness and affection. Even monsters are affected to a lesser degree, enough to sometimes cause momentary hesitation (this is often fatal).

>>13389971
Breeding of Younger Sisters is possible, and a major component of the local economy in North and South Tyris. Quirks in Roran biology means they can become 'pregnant' with almost any partner imaginable, male of female, human or non.

Technically, 'pregnant' is not the right term, as the baby takes no genetic material from the 'father'. Instead, when Rorans reach sexual climax, they have a small chance (comparable to per-encounter pregnancy chance for humans) of conceiving, using an almost-exact copy of their own DNA.

The children of Younger Sisters are invariably female. Strangely enough, they are not themselves Younger Sisters, but a related Roran specimen known colloquially as Little Girls. Primary differences are hair and eye color (blonde hair and blue eyes vs green hair with brown eyes), and a small variance (~2%) in facial features.

Little Girl babies exit the uterus at comparable weight to human babies, but grow at almost visible speeds. They reach physical and mental maturity within 6 months, with the outward appearance of a human female of roughly 16.

Little girls lack the 'brother' imprinting mechanism of Younger Sisters. Nevertheless, they are a great favorite with slave traders and the Yerles military due to the quick turnaround time. They are larger and stronger than Sisters, making them suitable as cannon fodder, menial labour, or even emergency food source.

How are my stats coming along? I've been eating a lot of herbed herbs. I do need better gear though.

My end goal is to kill the gods. I've been grinding up the summon spirit spell to help with that but despite it being level 40 the spirits are still only level 19, this might take awhile.

I need to raise spell potentials. How do I make my character sleep more?

Reminder that NoA will release ELIN in the fall.

>>13390326
What is ELIN?

>>13390218
Stats are coming along well. Good job.

>>13389167
Been working on my pet. After investing in the guy that sells monster balls in South Tyris and capturing monsters from my Panic quests leveling my little girl has been pretty easy. In fact, she's now higher level than my character. I'm pleased that she now has hp to survive the dungeons I go to but her stats and skills are pretty bad for her level. Going to have to let her get some more gold so she can go see a trainer.

>>13390218
>herbed herbs
Does it even matter what food you imbue with herbs?
I always interpreted the wiki description of it of doing so will replace the original food's stat growth to a fixed 1000 points.

Or you just herb herbs because you have 3000 stomafilias in your 4th D pocket?

>>13390894
I don't think it replaces the original food. If you look you can see that sometimes you'll gain stats before "It tasted like seventh heaven!" (or whatever other description it gives the food) and sometimes after. I can't remember which but I know one is way more common and gives a bunch of stats. So I think that means that the less common one is the one from the original food while the other is from the herbing.

Usually I'll herb grand parfaits when I'm hungry at home and then herb a stomafilia or two, as well as maybe a curaria for use in dungeons or on the road since they don't go bad.

On that note, if I have equipment that lets me digest rotten food, will I get the same stat bonus from them as I would if they weren't rotten? Or does it just prevent me from vomiting and maybe losing stats?

>>13390855
She looks like you have skipped a lot of levels instead of leveling her step by step.
My valk is only 77 and I DID skip a lot but her stats are higher than that. (pic related)
The upside is that her low INI will make her a rich whore with 400% potential in anything so the stats will come soon enough. and so will the skill levels. You can't do that so easily with a spiral king or whatever.

Also, last time I tried Panic quest mobs weren't catchable. Was that changed?

>>13389232
>vigorous moan
what a slut

>>13390930
Not that anon, but question about skipping levels. Do you mean it's better to level a pet with several gene engineers increasing in level rather than one big one?

Say I have a level 5 pet, it would be better to level it with a 10, then a 15, then a 20 rather than just a 20?

>>13390930
Yeah the panic quest mobs are now catchable. Don't know when it changed though. I'm currently playing Elona+ version 1.43. I did indeed skip a lot of levels with gene engineering lv 150 monsters into her. She was only lv 50ish I think before I started just bulking her up with those monsters. She has some catch up to do but it shouldn't be too bad.

>>13390941
Yes. The stat gains she can have are capped at 10 and in max 2 stats.
If you level her from 10-20 with 1 jump she can gain only 10 stats in 2.
If you level her with a lvl 12, 14, 16, 18 and then 20 pet that all have a higher stat or two than the original pet, it will gain 5 times as much.

>>13390952
Ah ok, much appreciated. I've been meaning to tinker with a monster that has evolutions, so that's useful information.

The craftable golems look kind of neat. Might give them a go.

>>13390963
Yeah I also thought they look something I'd like to have with my wizard.
Never tried them but they look neat.
I'm a fire@dragon child fan.

>>13390994
I was also thinking of getting fire@dragon child. How is it? Having multiple evolutions is pretty neat and they have really damn high life.

Any other low level pets you can recommend? I love my Destroy Boar and Suzaku but I wouldn't mind getting something I can raise from the ground up.

>>13390998
It's the Only dragon that has no anoying breath attack.
Having multiple evolutions means they cost a lot to starters, but it's worth it anyway.
I have to say, mine grew onto me.
It's really mediocre at low levels and at no evolutions. After the second evo it suddely became my main DD/tanker with the claymore. and when it got the megid flame special action I fell in love with it. Let me just say this: for a wizard who's main spell are lightning bolts an pet with a full screen Elemental scar-like ability is a godsend.

About other pets. I'm a really boring pet owner and I also prefer to have 3-4 stronger ones over a small army. Currently I have the dragon, a little witch, the defender and the golden knight which will be replaced as soon as I get an altar in my place. I already feel it's a crowd and tagged them up so they use up less space.
I'm also not fond of bells or catsisters or basically anything that has less life than me. And I'm yet to be convinced of employing a potion thrower.

>>13391030
That's fine, I like having a project. It's better than just doing dungeon after dungeon waiting for potions of potential and what not. Goals are fun.
My main spells are magic dart and magic storm so I probably won't get as much mileage out of it, but the huge life is definitely tempting. Plus if I understand right it will get AP from nearly every kill, right?

I prefer a smaller group as well. I'm only using two right now, and up until about 3 hours ago I was only using my Destroy Boar (can't recommend them highly enough).

As far as potion throwers go, why don't you like them? I've been thinking of evolving a hunger demon into a halloween head. I had one on a previous character and loved him, but his speed and squishyness made me need to replace him. The squishyness can be fixed with the info you gave me about gene engineering, but I don't know what to do about the speed. I don't think gene engineering increases it.

>>13391060
AP will increase speed. don't worry about such stuff.

I generally don't like potion throwers because I had 2 and both failed me. A white lady who kept throwing acid and molotovs to anywhere but the targets (burning down Vernis and he who dwells in vanity thanks to some random adventurer with cursed stuff), and a vamp who I gave another chance, made her a ranged thrower with AP. She didn't move much but threw her panties all over the place. She was a lot more accurate with her potions but I still didn't fancy her and so she's living with my million other old pets at the discarded ranch.

And about the destroy boar. No wonder you love it. It comes with a million point in stats and a very nice set of abilities. It's just really really hard to have it grow. I find it's more for people who just replace their allies as soon as they get bored with it. I'm the "my waifu fo eval" type. My opinion.

>>13391177
I know AP will come but it's a bit slow if they are. I guess I can give him a try either way. I don't remember him ever throwing molotovs or acid, but I might be wrong.

Natural shadow step plus the charge attack is amazing. I have him equipped with both the smash and shield tonfas, so with his huge martial arts and strength he hits like a truck when he charges. He's saved me a few times by one shotting a priority target. Shame he's hard to grow though because he's my favorite pet in the game. I like his sprite, I like his shtick, and I'm pretty attached. Could I just throw a kitty bank with a few million in it at him to allow him to develop? Not sure if that would help enough. I don't want to replace him.

1.44 is out, get to updating the sprite pack you lazy fucks.

>>13391195
If only child boars had the evolution the were SUPPOSED TO have.

The problem is not really the stats or the skills. He has quite a lot of those already. It's the AP. So its awesome as it is now but be prepared to have it tagged up with some weak pet to gain some AP for it to keep up with you. Even if you only get speed upgrades.

I'm not saying you should change it. Not at all. I DO know they are awesome. I'm saying that it has it's own cons as well.

I once had a metal zilla. It's quite a chore to make it gain some AP for some tactical martial arts.

>>13391264
What do you mean tagged up with some weak pet to gain some AP? You mentioned tagging earlier, I just assumed you meant leashing or something but it seems I was wrong.

Just killed an element dragon and he got the last hit with his charge attack. I think that was the first time I saw him gain AP. Once I get into awakened dungeons will it be less of a problem?
I'm really surprised child boars don't evolve as well. I would get one from the get go for sure.

>>13390326
stop spreading misinformation.
Source it or stop posting it.

>>13391284
I meant tag team. [i]nteract with your pet, and select a tag team partner for it. The team will now have both the pets in 1 cell, with the speed of the slowest member. This makes AP gain a little easier and frees up some much needed room to shoot my lightning bolts without accidentally oneshotting my allies on a rainy day.
Also the team will have the movement of the pet you first interacted with. I used this to have my black cat lead when it had the diablo and shena's panty. When time stopped he could move.

>>13391256
woohoo! googling for the changelog translation right now.

>>13391310
Oh really? So I could tag team my boar with my future potion thrower since he started as a hunger demon and the boar will gain AP because of the loss in speed? What happens if the boar shadow steps? Will both teleport? That sounds really useful. Thanks anon! Any other pet tips you can give me? You seem really knowledgeable.

>>13391256
"1.44 is out" would have sufficed, asshole.

Refresh the pastebin, it'll be there.
otherwise puush / hta5x

>>13391334
That spritepack is shit, the one I have is more complete and I got it 4 versions ago. Nevermind, I updated my one myself.

The changelog on the wiki isn't updated. What's new?

>>13391331
It's not a magic charm but some little help. It will still need to kill a demigod for some measly AP but it's at least not a god.
If the boar is the team leader the movement the team does is what the boar would solo. I'm not sure about skills like shadow step but theoretically it should work.
Also if both members of the team would be able to gain AP from a kill the both WILL, regardless which of the two did the final blow.
I usually tagteam my allies just to maximize AP gain. Not sure if it's 100% for both or just a 50-50 but AP is distributed now equally for me.
My main DDs the Little girl with the Opatos hammer and my Black angel with the railgun used to hog all the AP.

>>13391402
Make sense. I take it both can take damage individually?
So any initially high level pet will have these problems with AP? That's a real shame. I guess I should work on some evolutions. I guess that's more fun anyway. I just don't really know how to make them as strong as high level ones. Do I feed them herbed food? Or do I just fill them with gold? I know I should teach them pickpocket.

>>13391446
Do both. The gold they use will raise the potentials and the herbs will actually increase stats as well as slightly develop and maintain stat potentials.

>>13391446
It's sorta like riding only no one is on top of the other. Both can take damage.
High level pets should have problems getting AP. They are friggen high level pets with a ton of nice abilities.
Feed them herbed food if you have it but I found if you gave them a few hundred thousands from dungeon drops and have them use it to train up even an occasional curaria will do. I never really saw more a stat being raised by more than 1 with food.
Also the further you get in the game, the easier it will become to train your party. Even the piggy will start to train eventually, it only needs a bit more time.
You could teach them alchemy, and other crafting skills. Have them kill, talk to them to take the mats they got with the skills, and use the mats to craft potential pots and whatnot.

>>13391030
About pets with evolutions, does evolving fuck with their INI at all and therefore their training costs?

>>13391587
Nope. That's the beauty of it.
The INI will stay the same no matter how much you evolve it.

>>13391594
Ah, good. I'm training up my allies alongside me so they'll all have super low train costs.
Guess I'll have to share some pics someday and contribute or something.

How does sleeping with your pet work? Do I want to reach my limit first or my pets limit or both at the same time?

>>13391572
>>13391580
Sounds good, thanks. Now I need to find some other main-stays for my party. I'll probably keep 3 pets around tops though.

I'm starting to think I won't be able to maintain the boar though. I don't have enough herbs that I can entirely feed myself with them, let alone a pet too. How many Kumi statues do you have?

>No wish in 3 years
>A stroke of fortune passes you by

O-ok

>>13388736
>bring a golden knight
>he dims zeome
>gave him a melee weapon that deals mind damage too
>zeome gets confused
>his mana is absorbed and he magic reactions himself to death

fight ended so fast, I couldn't even believe it

>>13392008
The chance of getting a wish is 1/(previous fountain wish prompts+1). The fountain wish prompt counter decreases by 1 every year of the in-game calendar, to a minimum value of zero.

>>13392112
I know, that's why I'm surprised after not getting one for 3 years. I can't remember exactly how many wishes I've gotten but it wasn't that many. Oh well. Guess I'll need to keep trying for feats. I'll be able to read/cast wish soon anyway.

So awhile ago someone posted that he had a level 1200 spirit from the summon spirit spell. How long did it take you to get the spell there and what level is it? Turns out they don't even gain one level per spell level, and spell level 1200 is ridiculous enough as is.

>>13392459
Don't forget to have 1500 points in enchance spells, and to use the magic armour action before casting.

>>13392488
Enhance spells? Like the mag-abyss gives? I've been meaning to ask, does that stack with say, the insanity staff? I was happy to find out the spirits scaled off spell power rather than just spell level, but when my spirits ended up lower level than the spell even with my decent magic stat, I was a little upset.

>>13392567
In latest E+ version, it stacks additively up to 1500 ( check with object of heart ), or 2,5x spellpower.

>>13392612
Oh ok I see, thanks anon. I flying scrolled the insanity staff until I could use it, guess now I need to find the mag-abyss and a few other pieces.

>big daddy helps you kill the dungeon boss

>>13392684
>proceed to betray him once rested
psssh...nothin personnel...dad...

Wow, i knew that putting rotten food into the 4D pocket reset their freshness, but just saw it also makes it sellable again...

It's going to make these fishing sessions less bothersome, as there's no need to hurry with the cooking.

Wouldn't eating little sister corpses be preferable to turning them in after a while? Wouldn't that be the easiest way to increase both life and mana at once?

>>13392871
No, since killing a Little Sister irreversibly decreases Big Daddy spawn rate.

>>13392891
I wasn't aware of that.

>>13392713
I did, and he one shot me. His gun invoked two ball spells and I died. I got what I deserved.

>>13392871
You'd think so but they'll show up less too after you kill them. So the first few would be more efficient but you'd pay the price pretty fast.

>>13393041
daddies' levels seem to scale with the dungeon you find them in, if you're hunting for daddies maybe go to a lower level dungeon or even the puppy cave if they spawn there

>>13393283
Ya, the dungeon was in the 190s, and with me only 68 at the time I knew I was probably going to die. Still, I finally got my fifth Kumi statue so I can probably start getting the consumables from little sisters, it was too tempting.

I usually just let the daddies come to me. If I'm dungeon diving I'll see a few and they aren't usually that big a threat. I'm a fairy so as long as they can't one shot me they aren't going to be able to hit me twice in a row while I heal up.

>>13388954
You can still do it by being strong enough to not get one shot. and rods of teleportation (on yourself or the boss to keep you safe) while you talk to the npc. You still need incognito though.

>>13391643
Only one haha. I'm that guy who never knew that unlike other artifacts kumi statues and gemstones can be hoarded. I ate like 12 Happy apples instead.
I feed my cute fairy regurarly with the "not steak" meat I cook. I still have a fully maintained herb farm. It would be nice though to grow them outside the field too.

So here's an idea. If you go down the Kumi god reward line you get a fairy. So you get the fairy and then jump ship to another deity and then abandon said deity to go back to Kumi. Would you be able to do the god quest line again and get another fairy? If you can welcome to an army of seed shitting fairies.

>>13393801
No, you can not get another fairy that way.
You can breed them but it's gonna take a while.
The Offspring will be a little bit taller than the original.

>>13390952

>higher stat or two than the original pet

Does it even matter if the original pet should have a lower stat than the bait pet? My pet gains 10 in 2 or 3 stats (mostly 3) even if the bait pet I'm using have shit stats.

>>13393694
I just found out myself. I'm loving my herb farm.
I find it so tedious to feed my fairy, and half the time she doesn't produce a seed anyway. I find she only produces one if I feed her bread, which I don't want to carry with me since I want to eat parfaits. I think I actually used mine as gene engineer fodder eventually because she wasn't doing her job. I never liked using god pets anyway.

>>13393609
Speed spell and rod of teleportation, or just be faster in general. Alternatively holy shield/feather to ensure you aren't one shot, then rod of teleportation.

>>13394455
That's a great question, and it's easy to test. Last time I did so the stats didn't even nudge.

Test done(1.44) with a merc wizard, a missionary of darkness and an elite yerles.

The missionary got bumped up to 22 with the yerles. It resulted in the missionary getting dex, perception and a 3rd stat (I can't remember and the log already scrolled too much.)
I merged it in the wizard, and the wizard only got the perception which was the only stat higher than his.

Conclusion: you need at least 2 levels and higher stats for your waifu to grow.

>>13395375
Anatomy is what you need. I believe you already have cooking. Fairies LOVE meat! The same is true with geese.
Basically All I'm doing is pick up all the meat, cook them and if it's not steak or similar I feed it to the fairy. And probably because he gets a lot of kills with a sniper rifle and some range change his speed got qiuite high thanks to AP. With high speed he can get hungry quite fast.

Also I use all the bread to make puff puff bread instead. Thanks to my party gathering me loadsa mats I have a storage room full with panties, spears and lightsabers.

>>13389167
Me and my pet. Most of my herbed food has gone to her, so she's quite beastly. Doing at a minimum 20k per hit now (fists + attribute).

Honestly I need to go back to focusing on myself. I'm holding her back as far as awakened dungeons go at this point.

>>13395652
I never understood the point of giving your pet herbed food over yourself. If you have enough for both of you sure but if it's only one why not yourself?

>>13395652
Thank you. You made me remember the reason I restarted my wizard. I wanted to focus on only one pet. I was already employing 4.

>>13395607
I don't think I tried feeding her much meat. I might give that a go if I feel like getting another one, but I still found it super tedious to feed her all the time. Especially considering I didn't want to raise her to the point that she could dungeon with me so she only really came out while I was mucking about in town or at home. I wish you could just fill her inventory with food and have her eat it when she was hungry.

>>13395829
Pets gain more from food, and also level up skills easier than the PC does. In other words, I figure that the quickest way to being able to take on the strongest enemies is to boost a pet over myself.

Unfortunately, that strategy hurts me in awakened dungeons. Everything is aggressive to you the moment you enter, and since she can't keep the attention of everything, I can get overwhelmed pretty quickly. I can still do ~lvl350-400 awakened dungeons, but it's a pain and can be ruined very quickly. I essentially wall myself in and let her kill everything before coming out. Anything that can break walls potentially ruins my day though.

On the plus side, I (well, she) can kill some of the non-inner gods (mostly thanks to nether-aspected attribute damage and its insane healing). If the AI wasn't retarded about keeping up Super Armor, I think she could probably handle them all.

>>13396128
What happens if you spend some AP for her to forget casting spells? Will she still do her diming skill and element fisting thingie or will she forget everything and only attack?

What should I raise my gardening skill to before I start attempting to grow herbs?

>>13396244
Mmm, I haven't tried. Regardless, I think you misunderstood what I meant. Super Armor prevents you from taking more than 20% of your max health, at least from normal attacks (doesn't seem to work against special attacks - not sure about elemental). She lets it drop though, so some of the gods (looking at you Opatos) can get lucky and 1-shot her.

>>13396296
30 ish should be fine enough.
Or alternatively only grow veggies and fruit until you get the kumi sickle.

>>13396328
Yeah... I was thinking she's awkward about it and casts it like every 3 turns

I thought I found the perfect staff for my mage...

>>13396355
...then I turned the page.
Is there a way to remove that one line?

>>13396362
RNG hates you.

>>13396355
>>13396362
I hate when that shit happens, I tend to use the artifacts with negatives for trading/selling fodder.
Currently trying to get my entire party miracle artifact adamantium Gear.

>>13396398
The worst thing is, the game counts that as a positive enchantment.
I guess it's going to collect dust somewhere in my basement. Or hell, I might even make it raw and eat it.

Turns out I need to make the npc fellow relationship to do artifact fusion. What's the easiest way to do that? I've never raised a non-pet's relationship. I'm trying to keep my stores refreshed for gifts but so far no luck.

>>13396554
whore yourself to the NPC

>>13396566
Oh ok, that works. Thanks anon.

>>13396576
Just watch out they can attack you while insane.
Keep your pets away, or have them defend mode.

>>13396602
Sounds good, and I can raise it all the way to fellow like that? I thought it maxed at 100 like talking does.

>>13396603
Beats me. I know it works in some extent because I used to test that on my magic shop keeper.
I never really had to do this and I didn't even start South Tyris to be at that part.
I feel I'm twice ready for it though.

>>13396566
>>13396602
I don't get the option to do so. She doesn't even have an impress number so I don't know how I'm supposed to raise it to fellow.

>>13396672
How about some sneaky love potions in some food?
Magic vendors sell them. I use to buy them just to throw at my pets that may drop an egg.

>>13396672
I used gifts.
You'll need at least a decent one (not cheap) to go from friend to fellow. Or maybe a bunch of cheap gifts is enough, not sure.

>>13396720
The wiki says it'll turn her hostile.

>>13396722
I was thinking gifts but I can't seem to get any. I have 10 scrolls of gain attribute saved up and I really want to use them.

What's the pet with the lowest INI but with cArmor/cMetal? I know I could get an android, but is there anything better?

So I read you can trade sox for scrolls of growth somewhere? Is that true?

>>13396785
Bells are metal but I doubt you'd want that for a tanker.
The next best metal race is the android.
at lvl 15 you can find living armors (cArmor) or that maid robo from the maid mansion.
I guess the android your best bet.

>>13396753
Isn't there a vendor in Larna that sells gifts?
>>13397005
Look up the quest Mission from knight level 150 on the Elona wiki.That quest explains how you can trade sox for scrolls of growth. You'll need to have access to Irva.

>>13397172
Thanks anon. So I can only get the scrolls once? Still, two scrolls of growth is hard to complain about.

>>13397255
Just start the quest line and don't kill the guy. You can then exchange panties for scrolls as many times as you like. Alternatively, you can complete the quest and wait a couple of in game months for the guy to respawn and continue trading panties for scrolls of growth.

>>13397273
I meant sox sorry

Anyone figured out how to use those "shift core" things?
And I still can't find a juice machine. I suppose some random vendor should have it right?

>>13397295
It's furniture.
The Embassy and General stores should sell some.

Do magic shops ever sell speed uppers or scrolls of gain attribute?

>>13397781
My magical shops are at an investment level of 200. In my 200 hours of gameplay I have seen neither on my shops. I'm tempted to say they don't carry them or the rarity and RNG of it all really heats me.

Are the fishing junk items still absolutely useless?

I've been struggling to level my magic storm up to where my magic dart is. Should I be waiting for it to get up to a decent potential or just holding down the button, rest till full mana, repeat? Even if it gets to low potential?

>>13398305
How easily can you get stock for Magic Storm? If you're past the point where you need to worry about stock, then just hold the button until the rate gets too slow to be worth your time. If you still care about stock, keep potential high.

>>13398316
I mean I can just order it from the guild but the spell consumes so much stock it seems inefficient. I guess I should really just bite the bullet and do it though, it'll never catch up at this rate and I need it for awakened dungeons, what with how they swarm.
Thanks anon.

Is there a reliable way to grind magic, aside casting oracle repeatedly ?
The repeating pattern these days is that every attribute get to bad while magic is still great.

>>13398305
>>13398316
Still at it. It's gained 20 levels. I've just loaded my cart up until I had 10 speed so I can recover mana on the world map while restocking shops and what not. On the bright side I have a million herbs now and a good amount of potential potions. Still, this is taking forever.

I wish there was a way to increase spell potential outside of sleeping

>>13397781
I think they do but only rarely.

Newfag here, is anyone willing to spoonfeed me on how to get a translated version of elona+?

>>13399199
No such thing.

>>13399204
Then I guess its finally time to learn moon

>>13399199

http://pastebin.com/T2RCwdh8

All you need to know to download the game and some useful tips to get you started is in that link.

I noticed that chat filter is like Mia the cat freak talking. I wonder if she's just swearing and her words are getting filtered.

Does meteor damage increase if it levels? The way it's made out it seems like it does the same damage.

>>13399548
The wiki is all kinds of outdated on this stuff. Meteor absolutely scales up with level, faster than any other spell. In fact it starts to overflow at ~1000 depending on spell multiplier, resists, etc.

>>13399680
Of course, you'll need to do some serious mag-res / fire-res artifact crafting to counteract the self-damage, since control magic doesn't work for it.

>>13399680
>>13399688
I'm a fairy so I'm not too worried about resists. I also have contingency to 80% just in case. I've been grinding out hundreds of scrolls of wonder. So should I just unload a few hundred casts and then head into the void once it's leveled? What level do you think would be good?

>>13399712
Whatever level gets you AP, and no further. Note that void monster levels are bumped up every 50 levels.

>>13399771
The trouble with the void is that it's fun. I keep going deeper underground.

>>13396355

That Mag-Abyss hat does the same or maybe even better since the magnitude of the enchance spells is vague. Enchance spells on equips don't stack btw so the best enchance spell equip you could get is the staff found in one of the bosses at South Tyris

>>13395566

>at least 2 levels

1 level above is enough in what I'm currently doing. I'm using 1.42fix btw

So I just found a crimson bow with a "Invokes Gravity Sphere ####+" in the blackmarket. It's like I got a portable space zilla

Are there any instances where miracle/godly weapons have 2 or even 3 invokes? I haven't seen one yet except for uniques like Lulwy's bow and Railgun

>>13399680
Well, the spell descriptor in-game doesn't display the damage unfortunately.

I'm working on adding all the technical info for spells to the wiki at the moment. I just added Meteor info due to your comment.

Page, for reference: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells_%28Elona%2B%29/Technical

>>13399199
The game is in english for gods sake. Where people get these rumours that we are playing in moonrunes ?

>>13400771

I think he wants the game to be completely translated

>>13400457
I love you, no homo.

>>13400457
Using lvl 225 Meteor with Magic 770, with all magic amping gear removed, I get 177100 damage vs a low level target (sheep).

I don't think your equation is correct. I did use the secret treasure of Itzpalt, though.

>>13399457
Curse words are rude and get censored in chat

>>13400162
I thought they stack up to 2.5x?

>>13400457
Thanks for the good work. Any chance of you turning up the equation for the level of summoned spirits?

>>13401070
Huh? It works out exactly, actually.

(225 * 10 + 50) * 770 / 10
(2300) * 77
177100

It's working out for my numbers as well. Regardless, I literally pulled it straight out of the source. If you find it not working out, then it's being affected by something (enemy is wet, has resistances, etc.)

>>13401309
I can't tell at a quick glance, sorry. It seems to be based off of SpellPower/3 + 2 though, but it obviously doesn't use that raw.

I'll look at it more thoroughly a bit later and see what I can figure out.

>>13401388
Much appreciated anon.

>>13401397
Alright anon, here is what I have for you.

For a condensed formula, their level is: ((SpellPower/25 + SpellPower * SpellPower/10000 + PCLevel)/2)/3 + 2

This is done in two calculations though. The first is

SpellPower = (SpellPower/25 + SpellPower * SpellPower/10000 + PCLevel)/2

and the second is

Spirit Level = SpellPower/3 + 2

The only reason that's important is that decimals might get truncated after the first part, I'm not really sure. Anyways, it seemed to hold out from the little bit of testing I did, so I think that's the right formula.

>>13401551
Elona does nothing but integer math, so decimals are truncated with every single operation.

>>13401551
That's really nice of you anon, thanks for the help!

Actually that reminds me, I've been meaning to ask. I only come to this board for this general but I know a lot of you guys speak both english and japanese. I'm surprised /jp/ has never offered to better the translation for Elona+, even just an unofficial translation patch. With all the work done, like sprite sheets and digging up stuff like this, it seems like the natural progression.

>>13401598
You're welcome.

If someone ever hacks Elona so that we can inject text, then I'd be happy to work on the translations. I've done some stuff already that's posted to the wiki (elona main story, a few cutscenes of E+, a few quests), but I don't work on it often since it kind of sucks to read it on a webpage.

That aside, enabling cutscenes might not be easy even if someone decided to take a look at it. The triggers don't seem to exist when using the English settings (or so it seems to me). You can run Elona through the HSP compiler and make modifications to the Japanese cs script and see the changes, but even if you add the cutscenes to the English cs script they don't trigger.

I suspect that normal text though (for quests at least, perhaps not segmented text like some of the things that appear in the log) could be replaced with a DLL hook is someone knew what they were doing.

So if I artifact fusion a level 0 living weapon up to the max, when it levels up it'll be able to go past the limit, right? If I level it up before hand I take it I'll lose out on fusion potential?

>>13402081
Correct.

>>13401679
Couldn't some folks from /jp/ try to contact the elona+ team and offer to smooth out the english translation though? I'm sure it would save them quite a bit of time and effort.
Hell, the majority of the content is already translated on the wiki, assumedly by people like you, so really the only difficult bit would be communicating with the elona+ team.

>>13402205
Appreciated. Just crafted a living lightsaber. I think I'll turn it into a resistance stick for my pets.

>>13401238
you can disable filter chat

Holy shit what do you mean i cant drop any more items in my museum ? How am i gonna fill all that empty space ? And my museum is just level 46 ffs, how will i get it to level 1 with no space for moar figurines ?

>>13401679
Is Elona's text hardcoded or obtained from a file that's read when it starts up? If there's a file, then people could open it up using SQL or whatever the file is formatted as and change things directly that way.

I just got the ability Over-ray. It sounds fun, I'm scared to use it though since the last ability I used without information was mana burst. The wiki doesn't have too much info on it.

Can someone tell me what it does? I know it's something with pets and the gauge.

>>13402793
Named npcs are worth more points to your museum. Like <Shena the Draw> <Vesta the fire dragon> etc. Most things with a name surrounded by <name>. Chess pieces aren't and I don't think the cards of random boss creatures either.

>>13402793
I had the same problem, start by removing low level monsters cards, only Named monsters/NPCs should have card space from my experience.
Figurines everything else.

Barrier won't cause overflow healing to heal my mana, will it? Say, contingency?

>>13403406
Correct. HP healing never converts to MP healing.

>>13403416
Damn, I was hoping that would finally be a use for mana burst.

>>13403502
it could be useful for training magic capacity

>>13403502
Mana burst kills things real dead, it's great.

>>13403581
I haven't bothered to level it too much so it would be a bit risky. I'm leveling it a bit as I catch magic storm up to magic dart. Most I've gotten to was -1200 mana though, but that's not using a heal.

>>13403592
I only used it once and it killed me real dead. If I have full mana it shouldn't be a problem though right? I have 8.6k mana, does that mean it would do a flat 8.6k to everything in the area? Or does it take defenses into account?

Pastebin says I can change jobs? Any idea how? I want the pickpocket skill and the 100% critical damage so I can cheese enemies with shadow step.

>>13403826
find a business card and use it, I literally just found one 5 minutes ago or so while running around in the puppy cave

>>13403826
There is an item called 'Business Card' that will change your class and class feat if you type in a class that already exists. Need to use lowercase letters for this to work though.

How do I get custom NPCs in my game? I made a couple of high-level ones to make my dungeon runs a little more interesting, saved them as ___.npc files, and put them in the /user folder, but none have showed up so far.

>>13403875
>>13403877
Thanks, guess I'll have to rummage around puppy cave now.

>>13402401
>>13401679
>Couldn't some folks from /jp/ try to contact the elona+ team

They tried last year. Never got a response afaik.

>>13402850
They're all hardcoded into the .exe itself. There are a few things in a separate file that can be freely modified, but it's just the town-specific text you can get by talking to citizens. Everything that matters is in the exe.

>>13402401
I tried mid/last last year. I got in contact with the guy who had done some of the Elona+ English translations, got a file with a few things to translate and told that he would give Ano my info to contact me, and then nothing.

>>13403990
>>13404141
Ah, well that's a real shame. Odd that they wouldn't want the help.
Actually, how popular is Elona over there? I'm sure it's a niche game anywhere, but I'm sure it's at least a little more popular there. Still surprised another team picked it up and continues to work on it.

So when the wikis says artifact fusion will give me +10 to stats, do they mean all stats or a stat? Do I get to choose the stat or is it random?

>>13400162
I didn't start the main quest yet, and I'm too low level for master liches to spawn. That staff would have lasted for a long while, if only...

>>13405612
Only ever found one jewel with +stat and it was +11 CON.
Every jewel comes with predetermined enchantment and you can't change it because it's generated with the chest that drops with the boss.
You need to get lucky to find something really useful.

Probably one of the best items I've found. Been carrying this with me for a while now.

>>13406700
Hohohohoho, gaze and wallow in envy !
That feel when all my best stuff was found in 30- danger level dungeons, and everything from 100+ is shit.

>>13406726
Proximity assist weapon? That's one I haven't seen before. Nice pair, of gauntlets though! My cloak smirks.

>>13406162

Do enchancements go beyond #####+? For example I found 4 jewels with pickpocket ### and attach them in a single item. Do they stack?

So in order to get the hidden NPCs from Struggle Against Insanity, do I need to wish for "====隠しキャラ====" BEFORE I complete the quest, or after I get the Insane book?

>>13406700
>>13406726
>>13406753
you have a lot to learn, young jedi.

(not pictured: the Fire resistance is actually ~12 stars).

>>13406764
yes, they stack just fine. you can check with the objet of heart.

>>13406881
Not gonna sift through that moon, I'll just invoke maximum indifference magic.

>>13406881
english version.

With all these equips posted I have to say, I don't know what makes a good piece. I always just look for resistances and stats. There are very few skills bonuses I actually see as useful.

If it has any craft, including gene engineering or fishing I see that as useless since I can just equip a set for that specific to it beforehand.
If it has any weapon skill I see it as pointless because I'm a mage. This includes casting since the only spell I would ever need it for is wish.

Stuff like light armor, meditation, healing, evasion those are pretty useful though. Still, I have a hard time finding things with the skills I actually see as useful in combat.

>>13407349
items with +skills are only worth it with two or more stars in noncombat skills (you can put on a full set for gardening/fishing/crafting etc). For combat, you want

1. resistances
2. immunity to status effects
3. specials like +spellpower, float, see invisible, protection from mutation, protection from aliens

+skill gear for combat doesn't make much difference.

>>13407651
also, in act 3 you get access to artifact fusion, so before that you'll want to look out for high PV randarts that have almost no enchantments. Those make the best base for fusion, especially the godly ones.

>>13407651
Oh ok, so I guess I've been doing something right. Thanks anon.

>>13407671
Ok so enchantments already on the gear do add to the power limit. That's that question answered. I just got enough gifts to complete the fusion quest, now I'm grinding for nefia cores and materials to fuse some armor.
I guess I should also start investing in my black market then. Get some stupid high PV godly items to fuse.

>>13406881
>english version will never be this good
le sad lizard.jpg

This fag refuses to die
I have no items that can inflict poison

wat do

>>13408153
Switch to a weapon with a special that inflicts bleeding, pop your gauge.

>>13408161
Got none

>>13408172
Muck around in the dungeon until something drops one, then. Two bells going head to head is likely to keep both busy for a very long time.

>>13408183
Nevermind that, <insert hot pun>

>>13407930
I don't speak jap, what's different about it? Better skill explanations?

>>13408153
Use gauge release. If well timed it can kill even boss bells. Get them to about half health then do it before they recover. Anything that can slow him down or speed you up is good too.

>>13408192
Oh or that, that's good too.

Why does my pet keep fucking attacking me

>>13408664
What kind of pet is it?
Equipment?

>>13408664
Did you let your pet die over and over again to the point where it hates you?

>>13408997
Destroy boar. Does the fury buff make them attack allies? I thought it died at first but it doesn't seem to attack me normally when it has the buff.
Nothing on its equipment says it would do that.

>>13409211
No it's at soul mate. It does seem to only do it at low health though. Once when I was training control magic and once right after a shade-bomb rock killed me. Two deaths in a row was not fun.

>>13409250
Run Wildry makes them use a special version of swarm that attacks EVERYTHING in melee range, be it friend, neutral, or foe.

>>13409866
I see, so run wildry is what they're using when they get the little flame above their head and it says "x is engulfed in fury!"?

>>13409877
Correct.

Destroy Boars are still great pets, and Run Wildry is a pretty powerful buff, but they can and will kill you if you're not careful.

>>13409979
Well now that I know I doubt it'll happen again. Like I said it only happened twice. Once was when I was at about 100 health since I was training magic capacity at the same time, and once was when I was just recovering from a death and low health.

Still, I was furious with the thing. Almost sold him to the wife collector.

Can someone tell me how the <Fetter of earth> or the <Tempest collar> are considered training items?

>>13410269
Less speed mean faster training of healing, meditation, weight training, your current armour skill, riding if riding or ridden, getting sleepy faster, refreshing items with cooldown faster, getting your ranch/farms full, and so on.

Tempest collar reduce the likelyhood you evade blows, which is good for training defensive skills.

>>13410269
Fetter of Earth might help in the gathering of AP if speed is still part of the formula. I would think it's main use though would be to pass time faster. The Tempest collar trains Evasion and Greater Evasion since those skills I think are trained when you actually don't evade. I suppose since you're getting hit they might incidentally train healing as well.

>>13410313
>>13410319
Not that anon but you can just fill your cart to max.

Alright guys, take a good long look at me. Look at that playtime. Can someone think of any reason that I'm still only barely able to clear lvl 75 dungeons? I can't even get past the second floor of Rehmido, for gods' sake.

>>13410464
I broke it.

>>13410464
>>13410469
Because your stats are really terrible, especially your speed. I don't mean that as an insult, I'm trying to be constructive. Is this your first time playing elona? If so, it happens. Pretty similar thing happened to me my first time, with similar play time.

First tell us how experienced you are with the game, and how knowledgeable you consider yourself, then I'll try to lend some advice and tips.

>>13410469
You have enough AP to raise your base speed by 140.
Go do that, and continue to do that until you hit 500.

That should be your only goal until reached.

>>13410516
I'm pretty sure I've read damn near every wiki article. I know how the magic system works, magic dart never misses except for a miscast (extremely valuable when dealing with hordes of vampire bats, fuck those guys.) I have Barrier, every beneficial mutation, and high resists. I stockpile potions of potential and scrolls of wonder for blessing. I choose not to use my pets, except for those occasions when I need to bring him out to deal with some annoying beasts.

I believe myself to be pretty experienced, and I've been lurking in these threads since 1.34, so I don't imagine there's much I don't yet know.

I profess that I almost never spend my platinum, unless it's to increase my cart.
I usually spend most of my time clearing 40-60 lvl dungeons.

>>13410543
I'm the type of guy that waits until 2000AP so I can mass spend them all.

>>13410647
What exactly is killing you in higher level dungeons? If it's just unkillable bosses then whatever, it happens. Sometimes a monster turned boss that can heal is practically unkillable at certain times. If it's a specific enemy then learn to counter that enemy. Personally I hate bomb rocks, can't stand those fuckers, so I leveled contingency and always carry a rod of change creature. In fact always carry a rod of change creature. Actually, carry 5, or more. I think I have ten on me right now. They're basically cheating.

It's possible you're spreading yourself too thin, what kind of character are you going for? Especially considering you don't want to spend plat, which you really should. Also just go spend the AP, you'll be glad you did. You don't have to every time you can, but don't intentionally wait.

>>13410669
>>13410669
I am to Spiral Kings, GRoY and Shub-Niggers as you are to bomb rocks. Everytime I see one, I shining wave that fucker before he even gets a chance to insanify me.

At this point I'm basically roleplaying. Melee-based with an affinity for magic. I enjoy my mental image of myself shadow-stepping dungeons and generally being a badass. As for what's killing me, it generally comes down to bad luck. The only boss I've ever really had trouble with was a mimic. Fuck that meteor-surviving guy.

I forgot to mention that I didn't really LEARN the value of blessed potions of potential until a dozen levels ago.

>>13410767
I don't really know what to tell you then anon. I don't think you're all that weak for your level, other than speed, more for your play time, but I guess that's fine. I mean it sounds like this is your first time playing so whatever, take your time. I didn't beat dog god after 900 hours of play on my first character, and I'd say that's a pretty normal story.

What kind of bad luck are you talking about? Give me some specific examples. We talking teleport trap into a room of cluster bombs and your 90 magic device teleport rod fails to be used?

>>13410782
Well the last time I died was due to a horde of vampire bats. Negative stamina and hemorrhaging can really put you in a corner when you're not paying attention. And it was the boss floor, so I couldn't just leave. But after I died, I came back and sent them to hell.

I usually die when I get hit when I get hit with a bunch of debuffs and attacked by a swarm of higher level enemies. I've really tried to micromanage my debuffs by keeping holy veil up at all times and vanquishing the hexes that make it through, but sometimes it's just not enough.

>>13410833
I've always played a ranged character so I don't know what to tell you about the bats, but you said you had some magic, why not just use magic dart to take care of that sort of thing? Or maybe keep a whip around for distance attack. Getting some pets does help too. Usually you want at least one. Of course you can get by without, but one pet, sometimes two, can speed up your progress because they allow you to do more.

>>13410849
When I went back to slay them I used magic dart. I mainly stopped using pets because I began outleveling them. Luckily a lvl65 <murder knight> joined my party, so I gave him some goodies, and stowed him away so I could call on him when need be.

Incidentally, I was only able to beat Zeome because I got desperate and used a scroll of ally. That lvl 40 electric sheep saved my life.

>>13410878
It sounds like it's just a matter of being careful and thoughtful in dungeons. Do you understand how food works? I feel like with that much play time even eating decent food would raise your stats a bit higher than that.

>>13410464
Your equipment is fine. As a character nearing lv 60 your stats, ideally, should all be in the 100 range. For the most part, you're good there except with a few stats lagging behind. As what others have pointed out, your speed is not where it should be. You need to really start working on it right now.

Since you're planning on not using riding to better your speed please use your AP to get speed and look into spending your medals on Hermes Blood. Bless the stack before consuming as well.

>>13410894
Speaking of food, what is the best food to eat? Herbed herbs? Anything more specific?

>>13410979
It should be noted that he shouldn't use the hermes blood until he reaches max speed attainable with AP, as that's pretty wasteful.

>>13410999
I guess technically the best food would be the rare herb that helps your main stat herbed in the fusion pot. That isn't really practical though since with decent speed even a full herb garden won't produce rare herbs fast enough for more than one meal of that every few days. I usually herb a curaria or two before going into a dungeon, then herb a grand parfait to eat before leaving home.

Short answer: Herb whatever food grows the stat you currently need to raise. Don't herb rare herbs unless you have extra herb seeds and you're just reseting your shop with a full cart to produce them fast enough.

I love this game.

I'm having a lot of trouble with awakened dungeons. The monster's strength isn't really what gets me, it's that they all immediately make a B-line for you. A lot of the time I just teleport around until I see the stairs and rush for the boss. Any advice?

>>13411595
I do too buddy, but I also hate it.

>>13411615
Create Wall is your best friend.

>>13411630
Ya I've been exploiting that quite a bit. Still, I'm running out of mana really quickly because I need to keep fighting tanky monsters.

What kind of stats do I need in order to kill one of the gods? Inner god optional

Is it possible to import custom NPCs into elona+, or was that feature taken out? I took the npc_template.txt file, copied and renamed it to npc_template.npc, but haven't encountered the NPC at all in the game.

>>13411783
You can also make custom adventurers using Elosnack.

>>13411636
Level up. Levelling gives more health and mana, and in E+ there's no downside.

list of ways to get uber overlevelled pets:

1. High level summon spirit
2. Alien kids
3. Astral Light Pen on high level, non-god uniques (eg snail rider)
Have I missed anything?

>>13411961
Oh, also adventurer abuse - get fame up really high, kill adventurers whenever you see them, the replacements will have huge levels. Then you can do the standard things to make them join your party.

1)What should I be doing with pets?

I am level 33 and everything I have is garbage off of the slave merchant, the little girl you start with, and a god pet defender

they die VERY easily and don't do much except for the older dog sister who rapes assholes with a gun.


2) should I be blessing my trade skill tools? does it do anything?

When should I be spending my mats to power level trade skills?

>>13412034
1. Get the Dominate spell. Catch powerful monsters. The wiki is handy for figuring out what you want to catch.

2. Don't take the crafting stuff too seriously, it's pretty useless lategame.

>>13412067
Except for more potions of potential ( can't have too much ! ).


And living panties.

>>13412034
You should be gene engineering pickpocket into your pets and letting them pickpocket or pick up gold from enemies that you kill such as the boss at the end of a dungeon. Then, bring your pets to town and let them blow their entire gold stash at the trainer. This will raise skill and stat potentials. Lastly, feed your pet herbs to raise their stats.

As for when to spend your mats to power level your trade skill...spend whenever you feel you have enough really. It really doesn't matter when you do it.

>>13412069
Well-invested magic shops and blackmarkets are the better way for those.

Just fought my first five-headed god.
I understand why you guys dread to encounter more than one at once now.

>>13412067
>>13412074
Alright thanks

Here are my stats I am wandering around aimlessly and still quite new. What should I be doing?

I also hear people talking about "herbing" a lot. What is that? I usually just eat putit cooking tool food.

buildings:

Estate
Ranch 1: fire crab (I have no idea why I did this, I thought I could boost fire resist more than once with their food bonus)

Ranch 2: putits for charisma

Farm 1: Veg
Farm 2: Fruit

Museum level 62

>>13412133
How do you have the Ivy Spine so early with your character? Doesn't it drop off of a named npc in Irva? Did your character inherit the whip from a previous character?

>>13412133
Use a pot of fusion, it's the 'herb in' recipe. Basically, you use up a curaria, stomafillia, and some other herb to spice up a food item and boost its stat gain dramatically.

If you want fire resistance, toughen yourself up and kill Vesda, his gloves give tons of fire resistance. But it might be a good idea to put on some equips that give fire resistance to begin with before fighting him.

>>13412157
Nope.

I think something killed it and I found it. Does do much good considering I get sourrounded and die so easily even with a few hits in a level 16 dungeon. I 1-2 shot everything though.

holy shit

>>13412157
It has a rare chance to drop off a couple of plant enemies but I can't remember which ones offhand

>>13412133
If you haven't already, start investing in the magic vendors you see in all the towns and in your home. Invest to at least rank 100 and start looking for potions of potential on them. That should solve your stat potential problem you might be having.

How long does Cheer last?

what the fuck does it even do?

>>13412239
Yeah, that happens if you stay on a particular floor for a while to grind.

What god pet should I be going for after Defender (jure?)

Black angel (luwyl), Exile (Itzipat) or Golden Knight (opatos) I assume?

What's the best way to train weapon skills? What are the best ways to train STR and DEX?

>>13412307
It lasts for around 70+ turns and it buffs all your pets in sight with hero and Speed.
The strength and duration is based on your charisma.

>>13412365
Depends on whether or not you want an Archer that can cast slow, speed, boost and uses insult,a ranged caster that can blind, leach life back with nether arrow and cast 2 or 3 bolts in the same turn, or a straight up tanker that can dim her targets and carry really heavy stuff like an altar withouth any weightlifting and really high strength.

>>13412079
I found that a well invested magic shop row will only produce like 1-2 potions per restock.
Alchemy is really easy to boost with gear and one can just level it by stealing the right skill textbook and read it outside home or shelters on rainy or snowy days. The mats are also rather easy to get if you have a (few)nice pet(s).
They can find me enough mats for me to just skip looking for pots at the shop.
If only you could craft wonder scrolls...

>I found that a well invested magic shop row will only produce like 1-2 potions per restock.

that's why you have six in your house.

>>13413054
Except you can't have more than two.

>>13413054
No I don't. For some odd reason I can't get more than 2 in my castle.

>>13412133

Don't listen to these Kumiromi-sluts

Just do fishing and you'll end up in a similar number of stats with higher perception than these Kumiromi-sluts

>>13413166
How would fishing help that much?

>>13413173
It wouldn't.
Even the best Whale sushi won't train 1/10th of a herbed food for dexterity, perception and learning. Not to mention the other stats.
I guess he was either trolling or just stated an alternative food source.

>>13413091
>>13413149
I have four magic shops and two general goods shops. The general goods store is good because they stock scrolls of wonder.

It's all about humping the RNG.

Since when do Silver Cats sing this when drunk?
I had to google it but when I found out what it was...

>>13413620
>not knowing dragostea din tei by heart
NUMA NUMA EI!

Still, its pretty strange how they got popular in Japan

Can we talk about coffins of necromancy?
I've been trying to grind up summon spirits in order to hunt the inner gods. I realized coffins might be a good option as well, since they scale off alchemy and anatomy.

What are your opinions on them? I noticed they got a lot more support since I last played with the DD cemetery key, and even the necroforce ability.

>>13413994
They're slow as shit.

>>13414037
I've noticed. I've started taking a coffin or two to dungeons to try them out, and if you summon them in an enclosed room, they're pretty much staying there. They're decent in Nefia's though since everything comes to you. I also used the suicide bomb to finish off a healing boss once, and that was pretty satisfying.

Still, their speed is pretty crippling.

So for guilds what is better in the long run?

Reserving books looks like the clear winner but how good is the fence?

>>13415193
I want to say reserving books is useful to everyone since everyone can benefit from the easily cast buffs, but I have no idea how effective high level pickpocket is.

Fighter guild a shit

Downloaded 1.44, and ran around for a few hours... ... How... How do I make juice? I've been looking at places that >>13397656 mentioned, but I can't find any juicer at all.

Uwaaa

Welp, now that I've hit 250 awakened dungeons my old pets aren't lasting at all. I figure I need to either replace them or go solo.

I'm thinking of raising some low level pets from scratch. I want to use the crafted golem, the halloween head potion thrower, and something else.

I'm already level 111, is there any point in starting from low level stuff now? Do I just feed them every time they're hungry and throw kitty banks at them until they're at 400% potential? I'm pretty clueless on how to raise good pets. Also which are the best body parts to add?

Newbie here, checked the wiki but I am still confused:
1) What NPC for riding? Horse -> Kaneda Bike -> Tyrannosaurus? Give 20 body parts as penalty is ignored?

2) What items should I be hoarding? Currently keeping:

High level scrolls/books (specifically ally, change mat, enchant weap/armor, faith, flying, gain attrib, gain mat, growth, wonder)
Empty Baskets (for large picknic baskets)
Rods (to power level Itzipalt)
Ore (to power level other gods and fusion pot for pet training)
Thieves tools, pokeballs, Blue Drags, engagement jewlery,
Potions of (potential, cure corruption, Fresh water (to bless), evolution, high level healers, Restore body/spirit (blessed),
Blankets/resist gear/trade skill gear/ acid proof liquid/firproof liquid
Cards/Figures/Statues/furniture
Raw: Boots (is there anything else worth making raw or is it not worth the 1500 turn buff?).
BGM disks (any for the 76 needed for the Juke Box)

3) Is it possible to fuck up your character with levels/fame/gene engineering/low skills, etc? What should I be avoiding and setting as goals.

4) for gene engineering can I fuse low level pets into high level ones without penalty assuming it doesn't give an additional body part over limit?
I fused a level 1 Fire Crab into my God pet (defender) to give it swimming and it stayed level 20, so I assume that's fine and didn't lower anything?

5) What is the best way to level the following skills?

Pickpocket
Trade skills (specifically what materials should I be saving outside of generators). I seen a trade skill guide for skill ups a while ago
but I can't find it again)

6) What Should I be aiming for and what scales better: PV, DV, or both? What is the "best" armor class? medium for okay spell casting of buffs and use scrolls of flying on gear?

7) What should I be blessing? Potions of potential/evolution, equip, tools, and what?

This will be long, sorry.

>>13415644
ive only found one after i invested in a general shop, just invest50

>>13415747
8) the only way to create holy water is to drop water on your gods altar right? Can I drop a stack of 50 water and get 50 holy water? or only 1 at a time. The last time I tried it only gave me one.

9) what should my goal on buildings be? Currently level 35 and:

3 farms (1 veg, 1 fruit, 1 herb/gem/magic)

2 Ranches (1 putit, 1 empty) - any suggestions?

3 storage houses

1 museuem

Estate

10) what is the optimal place to place My Home? I currently have it just north of Vernis

11) optimal wishes? I haven't seen one in weeks of playing after blowing all mine (mostly on skills stupidly). I already have A happy bed at etherwork level.

12) do you whip your pets to all not drink out of wells, pick up food? Do you leash them all except range or what?

13) should I be seeking secret treasure of saint/wicked? or just use neither as the both are double edged swords?

14) I hear you can have multiple levels to a house. I already have 1 staircase so should I be saving to add another level or two?

15) I have all skills trained. Should I be blowing all platinum coins on skill training? Should I be increasing the size of my cart even if just to pick up bandit ambush shit and more travelers food?

16) I dropped my cooler on death as a newbie. Only way to get another is little sister quests? If I get it back again I should just keep it next to my freezer to store high stat food that is rottable?
Is there any other way to store perishable food other than freezer/cooler?

17) What should I be spending Small Medals on? only thing worth it void lisence + herme's blood (blessed)?

18) Pet micromangement is a pain in the ass. What is the optimal stance on pets? 1-3 high leveled pets + mount? as many as you can field? solo?

Just soloed Siva. That Shiba Inu has got to be the hardest thing I've fought so far. Tons of teleporting around, zero shooting, and magic darting but I managed to chip him to death. Yerleswood you're next on my death list!

>>13415747
1) I don't use riding but of my very limited knowledge on the matter I would think horse -> kaneda bike -> tyrannosaurus would be a good progression of things. I do remember though that there are certain pets like pascal and the lityou which are good mounts as well.
2) Not a bad list you have. I would add scrolls of gain attribute. Don't use them, you'll need them for artifact fusion.
3) You can create "setbacks" for your character but I don't think you can truly fuck them over. Sometimes your fame may outpace your character's power which will lead to random encounters on the map, such as pirate/bandit encounters, being to strong for you. Just fail a couple of quests to lose fame if that happens. As for goals, invest in every magic vendor you see, set up herb farms asap, farm medals, farm AP, get gear with good resists, and access South Tyris as soon as you can.
4) If you fuse lower level pets into your base pet stats and skills won't lower. If the pet has a body part your base doesn't have then your base pet will get that part.
5) Best way to level any skill is to just use it. Look up the skill on the wiki and see how to use it.
6) Ideally you'll want both to be high but that probably won't happen since higher PV equipment usually has lower DV and vice versa. Heavy gear tends towards high PV while light gear tends towards high DV. In general I see melee oriented players choosing heavy gear, fighter/mage types going medium, and pure wizards going with light due to casting rates being affected by heavier armor. Feel free to buck this trend though if you can make it work.
7) Bless everything. Why not? Sure maybe some things won't be affected but I'm lazy player. It's easy to get bottles of blessed water later so blessing is pretty easy to do.
8) Yes, drop water on your god's alter to bless. It should bless the entire stack if they haven't been blessed yet.
9) Castle, Unlimited Farms Works!, a handful of ranches, everything else is optional and up to you.

>>13415747
>>13415750
>Newbie
I'm pretty sure you have most of stuff figured out for you.

Also staircases for your house is deadly. Make sure you have both upstairs and downstairs, otherwise you'd be hanging yourself or maybe just returning away. If by house levels you mean floors and not ranking, you automatically get a new level once you settled down either upstairs or downstairs..

>finally able to read a book of wishing
Yay !
>it appears in the reservation list
Whaaaat ?
>"Sorry but it's unavailable :DDDDD"
Yah cheeky wanker.


What a rollercoaster of emotions.

>>13416036
Mmmh, upon reload wishing disappeared from the list. Good.

>>13415747
10) Wherever you want. Everyone can argue why they placed their castle where they did. It's not something to worry over.
11) Astral Pen, Miromi(creates the secret experience that will grant you a feat once used), look at the wishing section of the wiki for ideas.
12) I don't whip but I do leash
13) I have neither but I can see their use. Your call.
14) Your call
15) Blessed Scrolls of Growth are the way to go if you want to have all your skills at high potential. Plat can help train 1 or 3 skills you use the most though. I've never done cargo selling but I do know it can be profitable for a character starting out. Don't know whether you should or shouldn't increase cart size due to never selling cargo. All I did was dungeon dive and complete quests for the majority of my gold needs.
16) If you cast you can use the 4th dimensional pocket spell to store food which acts like a cooler.
17) Yes to what you have and also scrolls of growth.
18) Don't know. I'm mainly a solo player but getting into pet management myself.

Why are space horned owls sprite so rapeable.

Royal Putit healer, y/n?

>>13413191
What about herbed whale?

>>13416036
How much literacy do you have?

>>13416759
86, along with 95 divine knowledge and 2x~enchance spells.
I savescummed twenty seconds though, so it's far from comfortable.

>>13416931
Ok thanks. Just good to know it's possible at that level. I've been holding on to a few till I knew I could, guess I should get reading.

Shame my wish is only at 40% cast chance though. Would be pretty high but I leveled it off a few failures through scrolls of wonder. Does the drop in cast chance from leveling it have a cap?

>>13416941
The formula is on the wiki on the technical spells page linked further up. Look under casting rate.

It doesn't have a cap (difficulty continues to increase to spell level 2k), but casting outpaces it.

>>13413191

Bet you can't get 300+ stats in a 200 hr char without relying on Kumiromi

>>13417377
Not him, but what's your method for stat gain then? I already have 6 Kumi statues, I figure doing both methods will pay off well.

>>13415747

>Is it possible to fuck up your character with levels/fame/gene engineering/low skills, etc?

You can fuck up dungeon levels and there's no going back if you fuck it up. Stick to 2x-3x your level even if you are strong enough to handle dungeons 4x-5x of your own level. You'll be really fucked when you try to farm even a single awakened dungeon for jewels which you need for artifact fusions. Awakened dungeons means all monsters inside will be equal to the dungeon's level except the boss which is a little higher and all monsters will be going after you immediately.

This is important, I fucked up my original char because of this

>>13417439
Dungeon Levels... wait what?

I just reset using the statue unless you are talking about some other kind of dungeon?

I can still easily die in a dungeon half my level (especially to elemental hounds that spawn 20+ to a room and AOE instagib me).

>>13417475
Those hounds are pretty annoying during early levels. I just use bolts to kill bunches real quick or teleport and ambush them in a chokepoint like a real roguelike scumbag.

>>13417489
Yeah I do but that doesn't stop them from butchering my 5 pets in 1 turn or getting shitty teleport.

What dungeons should I be careful of fucking up? are they on the other continent?

>>13417475

Dungeon levels that spawn takes into account the deepest level of dungeon you cleared. You can't reset that with anything.

>>13417552

highest level*

>>13417475
What he's referring to is the Dungeon Danger Level or just Dungeon Level. You see the Dungeon Level when you're standing over a dungeon. The norm for people that have gotten their resist gear built up and potential problems solved is to do dungeons their lv or up to twice their lv. Anything, above that will probably require lots of cautious play and a bit of luck. Still doable though.

Now if you end up lucking out and clearing a dungeon more than twice your lv you might be happy with yourself but be forewarned that your future dungeons that appear on the map will be much harder.

If you end up getting your dungeon scaled to a level where you deem them too hard all is not lost. If you were relying on dungeons bosses for exp you'll have to shift your attention to doing panic quests. To build up your skills you can just go to the Void and grind them up. By doing a combination of the two you should eventually be able to do the dungeons that you may have felt were too hard. It's a hassle but let that be a lesson to not push your luck and to keep your dungeon levels at a comfortable range.

>>13417552
Jesus christ clearing dungeons more than your level.

Like I said I get a run for my money some times on half my level. What is the biggest predictor of success? personal stats/skills? I think I relied heavily on my pets and am personally weak both skill wise and stat wise.

It doesn't help I am starving out on attribute potential (bad-low good) and haven't seen may potions of potential.

For holy water, the only recipe of relevance is the altar recipe right? are people getting base waters via the salt + rod fusion? they are hard to come by.

>>13417576
Invest in magic vendors and goods vendors, for salts and rods respectively.

At 100~rank i see them every three visits more or less.

Do you have to kill every monster on a ranch when you change breeders before they start putting out more kids?

>>13417576
Seems like you've hit maybe 2 of the most common hurdles facing new players. Not enough resists and problems keeping your stat potentials high. Stat potential problems are solved, as you've mentioned already, by potions of potential. They start showing up on magic vendors at shop rank 50 but you really want their shop ranks to be at least lv 100 for them to show up consistently. So what I suggest is that you invest in each town's magic vendor. Also, if you have a house hire some magic vendors and invest in them. By doing this you'll have more people to draw from in getting potions of potentials thus upping your chance of finding them. Now investing takes money so do what it takes to earn it and save it up.

Once you have like 9 potions of potentials bless the stack. To bless them you need holy water. Get a bottle of water from finding it in dungeons, filling empty bottles with water from wells (may take a couple of tries), or use 3 medals (you can earn them from killing dungeon bosses) to get bottles of water from Garrok. Take your bottle of water to the truce grounds, find the altar of the god you worship, and drop the bottles of water on the altar. This will bless your water. Use the blessed water to bless the stack of 9 potions of potential and drink the potions of potential to get all your stats to superb.

For resists hunt for gear in dungeons you dive into or scavenge them from the puppy caves. Try to work on getting fire and cold resist up first. Then do the main quest. The main quest will take you into dungeons that will have you clear named bosses that will drop you gear that will help you out in resists. Alternatively, you can also see about earning favor with the gods as some of their gear rewards have resists.

>>13417377
Sorry mate, I'm not going to start a new character and play with it for 200 hours only to prove that fishing is not boosting stats the way herbs do.
That's something an idiot would do.

>>13417680
>>13417571
Cool thanks.

for building a resist set do you keep full sets of 1 resist or just enough to get to some arbitrary point?

or do you actually roll resist on your every day artifact gear?

>>13417722
Eventually most people will scrape up a full set that covers all resists (All resists superb or higher) The static artifacts you get from named boss drops and named NPCs can help you if RNG fails to provide. Some players are also fortunate to find living weapons which, after they gain enough exp from killing things to lv, a player can assign special properties to them such as resists of a certain type. Sometimes players just fill these living weapons with resists which pretty much turns them into "resist sticks".

>>13417722
I have a stack of elemental resist gear and a stack of immunity and whatnot gear back home.
It's nice to be able to find something there when I lack it.

Can someone upload a decent gene file? I lost mine, but don't wanna start from scratch

>>13417571

You can do a level 500-600 dungeon when you're level ~90 and get wrecked by Siva immediately in The Void. Yeah it's still not a dead end situation since you can still grind your skills through tons of scrolls of growth but that's it, you can't jewel farm.

did they add a new continent after south tyris yet? Its not like I ever killed the dog at chaos fort: Destruction, but I want some new content

>>13413166
I'll stick to my farms since they've been so good to me. Not all the farms I have are herb farms but I have enough to make herbing sustainable for myself.

>>13418022
The land of Irva is open to adventurers that clear South Tyris's story arc.

>>13417985

True, I wouldn't go too deep into the void. In fact, I would just keep going back to lv 1 and going as deep as I'd feel comfortable with all the while grinding skills out. What is jewel farming?

is there a monstergirl spritesheet for 1.44?

What is more rewarding in the end game?

magic

melee

ranged

or all of the above?

>>13418104
mutant with 4-6 hands going in melee
Just make sure to grow some arms as well, to equip hit rating gloves

>>13418134
wouldn't that mean I would have a heavy speed penalty? past 11 or 12 limbs whatver?

>>13417751
I haven't seen a single living weapon yet, where do they generally appear?

>>13418140
The damage is sick though, and once you learn shadowstep you can just kill most of stuff in one turn without even having to walk up to them.
You can also ride, but I think that further decreases accuracy and thats not really good for multi-wielding

>>13418104
I'd say guns. Lots of guns.
Even though I'm a magic man...

>>13418147
According to the rumors anywhere where you can find miracle equipment.
I was only able to craft my living panties and spear on a lucky day.

>>13418158
I wonder how a living panty would talk.

>>13418147

You can find living weapons and eternal force weapons even at level 60 blackmarkets. Make sure to look at every single <> weapon you see. It won't take long for you to find one or three of them since what's really hard to find are weapons with good invokes

I just wished for my first Astral light pen.

What the hell should I be blowing it on or nothing worth it at level 36?

What the hell do the "Secret" rows under Profile in my pets and my status sheet mean?

>>13418388
ひ
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>>13418393
Oh my.

>>13418087
yes. Pastebin. It's always in the pastebin.

>>13410516
>>13410543
>>13410979
So I did what you guys said and spent my AP on speed. I'm already seeing a dramatic increase in my dungeon clearing ability.

I really love this game.

>>13417552
>>13417571
Oh hey, I've been thousands of hours into the game over multiple characters and I didn't even know that. Guess that's why I always go through stints of "Why do I keep fucking dying"

>>13417576
Don't stress too much about it. You'll almost always start a character similar to where you are. You're new so it'll be a lot rockier of course, but it's how the game is designed. You'll hit several stages of rapid growth though and eventually be fine.

On my current character for example, when I was low level I was in your exact boat with dungeon level (I spent an early wish on a happy bed so potentials weren't that bad). Now I'm doing level 430 dungeons at level 100. You seem to have done your research, your first character will always be slower and weaker but just have fun. Like I said, you hit several periods of "oh shit I'm so much stronger now, what happened?" don't fret too much.

>>13418031
How the fuck do you even have that many herb farms? I have 7 Kumi statues and I can barely fill one farm.

>>13418569
Don't forget to plant and gather during rain, to minimise dead plants and maximise regrowth.
Also, don't destroy dead herb plants, you can revive them with gems of rejuvenation.
In fact, you should get some now. ( though personally i stopped at 8 statues because of house decoration, which isn't a good reason ).

>>13418336

Recruit {Mia} the <faggot> and sell her to Derphy for more Tru-bull.

>>13418600
Alright, I laughed. Fuck you.

>>13418594
I thought planting during the rain only helped for the first instance of growth? I'll start planting during rain, thanks. I only snip dead plants if there's more than 4 in my farm since I know the gem can't keep up with it. Can I get more than one gem with separate cooldowns?

I saw your screenshot after you killed Siva and wondered how you were the same level as me with an extra 50 in every stat. Herb farms are stronk. So how many of those are full herb farms?

>>13418104

If only uniques could be duplicated, I'd like to see a multi hand char with tons of that 1d150 spear doing a power charge and critting with a Vesda

>>13418649
>I thought planting during the rain only helped for the first instance of growth?

That's true, and it can also be overcome with high enough gardening skill (~60-61 for herbs I think). You can never lower the wither chance below 5% per update.

Gathering during rain is the one that can't be overcome by gardening skill. At a minimum 10% of plants won't regrow. With herbs, if you harvest during a time other than rain/heavy rain, it's ~13.3%. Seems like a small difference, but 3.3% adds up over time.

>>13418791
My gardening is 143, so I don't need to bother planting during the rain? I'll start harvesting during the rain though, thanks.
Still, I don't know how it added up that much for you. That's so many farms. Do you keep the cute fairy around? I hate constantly feeding the thing so I got rid of it. Thinking of getting another. Do you grind harvest times?

am i doing good ?

>>13418814
Sorry, I'm not the poster you were originally responded to. I'm just clarifying regarding the effect of rain.

Yes, at your gardening level, you get no benefit from planting in the rain, only harvesting. The difficulty check for normal ticks only checks for rain on the first tick (planting). The difficulty value of the plant is doubled on the first tick if you plant it when it's not raining. However, the difficulty value for herb seeds is only 30. Doubling it is 60. The two checks to see if it withers are if your gardening skill is less than a random number between 1-60 (the difficulty value) and a static 5% chance. In other words, at 61 gardening, you can plant herbs outside of rain without penalty (so long as you do it on farm land).

I personally have 12 Kumiromi statues and haven't managed to fill up two farms, though it's growing (slowly). No god pet for me.

>>13418659
You mean they can't be? I was considering getting extra nightmare knives for a Sakuya-based ally from the little sister quest, not sure if that'll work or not.

Anyone got the evolved form of Older Dog sister (Anubis)?
I noticed mine has 4 legs and the speed penalty but I don't remember if this is normal or if I accidentally an horse on her a lot of time ago.

>>13418900
I take it cooking also has that "Minimum chance of failing" problem also? I'm at 73 and using a blessed barbecue and my foods are still charred occasionally.

>>13419489
Short version: Yes, RNG can bone you regardless of your cooking skill level.

Long version:
I looked into how cooking works a few days ago but haven't posted any of it to the wiki yet, as there's some factor in play that I haven't been able to figure out.

First things first, cooked foods come in 9 tiers. 1 is the worst, 9 is the best (steak, etc.).

This is determined by a variable that we'll call CookingFactor. It's first calculated like this:

CookingFactor = Cooking + 7 + rnd(UnknownFactor)/50

As you might guess, UnknownFactor is the thing I can't figure out what it is. I only know that it's a property of the item being cooked. rnd(x) generates a number between 0 and x-1, btw.

Alright, so now, there's a check to see if CookingFactor is greater than Cooking/5 + 7. If so, then CookingFactor is reduced to that value.

Now we have the fun part.

CookingFactor = rnd(CookingFactor)

If CF is still greater than 3, we make the above roll again. The game is a bit nice to you if you got a roll of less than 3. If your cooking skill is 5 or higher and CF is < 3, then CF has a 25% chance to be set to 3. If CF is < 3 and cooking skill is 10 or higher, then there's a 33% chance CF is set to 3. Those rolls are NOT exclusive. If your cooking is 10 or higher, you get both recovery rolls.

CF is then increased by UknownFactor/100. Again, no idea what it is. Whatever CF is at this point is the quality level of the food you cooked.

At 2000 cooking, CF is capped at 407 in the first calculation. I think that comes out to roughly a 94% chance for the highest tier of food at that point.

Sorry if that explanation is confusing.

>>13419657
Oops, I should say that obviously CF gets capped at a min of 1 and a max of 9 at the end, though I guess it should have been fairly obvious.

Also, more info on cooking that I posted to the wiki as a comment:

NPCs (inc pets) gain 15x nutrition from food than the PC. Only exception is herbed food (not herbs, but herbed food), where they get 10x the effect.

There's some stuff regarding rotten foods that I won't bore anyone with.

Food of quality rank less than 3 has its nutrition halved. 3 and higher used the following formula:

Nutrition = Nutrition * (50 + QualityLevel *20)/100. Or in plain terms, a 2.3x boost for the "best" cooked item over its base form.

It's not that you get a boost to nutrition for eating food when you are "hungry" or lower, it's that you get a penalty to nutrition if you eat before then. Specifically,

If (Fullness >= 5000)
Nfactor = (Fullness - 5000) / 25
Nutrition = Nutrition * 100 / (100 + Nfactor)

That's pretty much everything interesting I found regarding food. Other than wiki values for the nutrition of base foods is significantly off, but I didn't write all the numbers down.

>>13418861
A few tips.
Claws or tonfas do give some defense, can carry enchantments but won't fuck with your spell casting chance.
Also you can have any weapon or shield in your shoot slot. I have a whip there that adds ### to spellpower.
Congrats for the mag-abyss. Me jelly.

>>13419696
So, in order to get the most value of food item, one should wait at least for "hungry" status?

>>13419090
I have one on my Discarded Ranch. She only has 1 pair of legs and her 60 life shows I didn't ask the scientist in Kapul to reset her slots. You probably Gene engineered some 4 legged critter in it.

Found a godly pair of shoes made of glass. Gave it to my fire@dragon.
It has 'it provides a proximity assist weapon. [###]' on it. It's really nice when it triggers. Does almost triple damage.
But how does it work? I assume it's physical damage, but based on what? Does the ### influence the damage done or the chance of the invoke? Also, on what type of gear can it be found? The wiki only gave me the saber tonfa when I tried to look it up... Which is actually pretty nice considering I train that pet to be the fist of the north star.

>>13419843
Yes. The effect from Herbed food is unaffected though. Only the normal nutrition is affected, not that gained by having the herb effect.

>>13419943
For Proximity Assist, damage is based off the enchant strength, tactics skill, and base attack damage. Enchant strength also affects proc rate.

Should only generate on shoes, cloaks, and ranged weapons (excluding static artifacts).

>>13419985
That was fast. thanks
>ranged weapons
Does that mean that If I'm lucky I might get a pair of panties with that on it? Would it work for melee hits or is it different for ranged weapons?
Also can one chose it as a level up for a living panty? Sadly my panties didn't taste enough blood yet so I can't quite tell...

Okay... That Dragon of mine just two shotted Zeome.
Got down to lvl 45, 1st turn cheer, second turn, Attribution shield, 3rd turn Divine wisdom 4th turn Holy shield, 5th turn feather... wait it died?
I wasn't even done with buffing... oh come on...

>>13418569
I have 19 farms dedicated to herb farming the rest are fruit and vegetable farms. Here's what I have: 10 Kumi statues, 1 cute fairy,1 rejuvenation gem and 348 in my gardening skill. I plan on getting more Kumi statues in the future and maybe more rejuvenation gems if possible. As for what I'm doing: Tap each Kumistatue for seeds. (Some may give me herb seeds others may not but still a nice way to get seeds) After that they'll all be on cooldown. I then take my cute fairy with me and we hit Noyel. I do every single harvest quest I can find which are impossible for me to fail given my speed, gardening skill, and strength. Some of the completed harvest quests will give me 2 herbs each. Like just recently I got 6 herb seeds form doing all the harvest quests in Noyel. I got about 5 earlier from my Kumi statues. So up to 11. I then head to other towns for harvest quests while wrecking the shit out of dungeons along the way. Some towns have harvest quests which I do and if I'm lucky I'll get more herb seeds. All this adventuring around makes my fairy hungry. When I feed her she has a chance to drop an herb seed. Also, after adventuring around for a bit the statue cooldowns expire so I go to them and begin another collection. So after all this I'll have like 20 or more herb seeds. This doesn't take me too long. So I then bless my stack of herb seeds and then go out to my farm. I only plant my seeds in the brown dirt areas of my farms. By doing this I get the most out of my herb seeds. When they're ready to farm I harvest my herbs and due to high gardening skill and planting on the dirt chances are very high that a free herb plant will be grown in its place. Also, I never nip dead plants. I use Kumi's rejuvenation stone on them. I then loop through this entire process again and again and now I have all these herb farms. I also have a ranch where I'm trying to confirm whether or not you can breed more cute fairies.

>>13420237
Sorry for my harvesting quests I meant Yowyn

>>13420237
How often do you have to find a hunger to be able to consume all the herbed herbs in 1 go?
And with 19 farms when do you even do anything else?

Can you get ether disease from drinking out of fountains?

I randomly got it in a dungeon and didn't eat a corpse with it. I also have an etherwork bed I sleep on at home, can I get it from sleeping?

alright I have 2 farms producing more veg and fruit than I could ever use because of my Juere metabolism.


do you guys just pull shit, cook until stamina is gone, sell it, and let the excess rot for skill ups?

or should I be giving my pets sacks of cooked food so they eat too?

>>13418900
Thanks for the info anon. So is the gardening useless to me past 60? I don't really grow veg or herbs because I don't like grinding harvest times. Maybe it helps with artifact quality from seeds?

12 is quite a bit, I was thinking of just getting one more and then going for fruit/cheese. Do you recommend getting more than the 7 I plan to get? I want most of my meals to be herbed.

>>13420491
It doesn't really matter what you do with them.
Personally I just sell them cooked. They grow outside my herb field. It's good way of boosting cooking and gardening when they are still low.

If you give them to your party give them only one and only when they can eat it. Else it will only rot in their inventory.
I generally found that giving a herbed food or even curaria/stomafilia is about 20 times better though than giving them regular food. Those train speed as well. I really don't give them regular food anymore.

>>13420320
I don't consume all my herbs in one go. I just infuse my herbs and eat whenever my character falls into the hungry state. To save on herbs whenever I'm sleepy I just let my pet make me breakfast. As for getting other things done I have plenty of time for everything else when I'm waiting on cooldowns to refresh and towns to restock with harvest quests. During that downtime I'm usually dungeon diving for medals, gold, and skill/spell training. The other farms I have are fruit and vegetable farms and with my ranches producing a steady stream of eggs I have 3/4 of the ingredients to create large picnic baskets which I also use side by side with herbing because large picnic baskets help in maintaining my stat potentials. With my herb farms allowing me to herb infuse stuff, ranches and other farms contributing to large picnic baskets, and pet cooking me breakfast I have a constant stream of stuff helping me in boosting my stats.

>>13419841
Thanks anon, but i guess dual wielding anything fucks casting chance no ? I tried dualwielding a claw with the staff and it nets me a -5% casting

mag-abyss just dropped from a normal mob iirc

>>13420601
I'm still at the part when I eat breakfast and then 1 blessed stomafilia around noon. That usually last for midnight.
What herbs do you infuse with other herbs? Rare ones or Curaria/stomafilia? Or just any food you find?

>>13420625
Wearing that staff plus a claw/tonfa counts as weapon as shield, but you don't suffer the same penalty as you would with an actual shield. And wearing another staff in the shott slot doesn't even counts as melee.
Liches drop it at a 0.25% chance. I literarly killed thousands by now and nothing...

>>13420664
>Weapon AND shield.
My typotitis is strong today.

Do you care about how good your stats are for your level, or for your playtime? I've gone through crazy fast leveling now that I'm doing awakened dungeons and my stats can't keep up. I know there's no downside to leveling, but it feels weird.

So is there a general guide for what materials are the best to use for for certain kinds of equipment?
Like Adamantium Plate Armor, Rubynus Claws, that sort of thing?
Also, how much do cursed scrolls of flying increase item weight in Elona+?

>>13420576
Alright thank you.

Do you just pull some veg, go to your home, cook them, rest for stamina (shift R), and repeat? I am still using a cooking tool (or the vernis food processor) so when can I expect to get BBQ's?

What do you do for picnic baskets. empty baskets are uncommon in wildnerness is there an easier way to get them? only way to get large baskets is 3 empty -> 1 large fusion right?


1) I hear stat gains from food are partially wasted unless you are Hungry status (does it have to be black or red hunger?)

2) Is this the same
for sleeping? E.G I am wasting bed rest by sleeping at black sleepy level and should be sleeping at red sleepy?

3) Do you just herb Grand parfaits/steaks or ONLY herbed herbs?

Also I almost have enough to buy a small castle from salary + kitty bank.

Easiest way to do this would be pick up kitty bank/salary, run to embassy, dismiss pets, pray they have a small castle deed, smash bank?

If I get robbed I am going to shit my pants.

Also is there a limit to the amount of items/pages in the salary chest?

>>13420376
Ether disease builds up slowly in the background, just like corruption in ADOM

>>13420826
>Also is there a limit to the amount of items/pages in the salary chest?
From what I've read in earlier threads it's either "No limit" or "The limit is hueg like x bawx"

>>13420044
Yeah, it's REALLY easy to be overleveled for Zeome and just make a mockery of the fight.

Not so much for the South Tyris final boss, that one generally takes some effort to beat even if you are way overleveled.

>>13420664
I infuse herbs into other herbs. I don't really pay attention to specific herb combinations. I do this for as long as my supply of different herbs allows me to then I infuse my herbs into my vegetable and fruit creations. Ex: herbed infused Grand Parfait +10.

>>13420957
I am almost certain that infusing an herb with herbs then using that herb just results in normal herbed status.

I really don't think herbed stacks, is what I'm saying.

>>13420994
I can confirm that you are correct. Using herbed herbs for Herb In just wastes herbs.

>>13420994
I just infuse my herbs into other herbs because I like how sometimes 2 stats will raise at the same time. I don't know why that's so satisfying for me but it is. It has the side benefit of also making sure I have a filling meal.

>>13421082
Oh, I must have misunderstood then. I thought you meant you herbed a herb, then used the herbed herb to herb an herb.

You see where the confusion came from.

Ya I usually herb curaria because it gives a bit 100 across the board, then I believe the herbed effect gives 1000, so it's just a 10% increase. When I can eat as I'm fusing I'll herb parfaits for more magic though. I just don't want them to rot if I need to go dungeon.

>>13421007
Well that's good to know. Thanks anon.

>>13421082
Like this.

What's better for feats?

Kokou
Apprentice Quarter Master
Short Distance runner
apprentice ascetic
vampiric ability
agile
stone defense / dodge
magical gene
gentle face

>>13421125
Really depends on your playstyle. Are you more of a wizard, melee, ranged? Do you like having pets at all? I would say magical gene would be good regardless since you can get barrier so it basically turns into extra life.

I'm having a hard time deciding between cheer and Kokou right now myself.

>>13421093
Ah, I see. Yes, I only infuse my herb into another herb once. Then I eat it. Then later when I'm hungry I'll infuse another herb into another herb and eat it. When I start running short on herbs then I just infuse the remaining herbs into parfaits and other foods. Sorry for the confusion.

>>13421175
Nah it was my bad. So do you infuse into rare herbs? How many Kumi statues do you have that you can do that? I usually treasure every rare herb I get, even with my 7 statues.

Why do people use custom music packs for this game? I think the music is charming...

>>13421125
Stone defense/dodge is junk. All skill increasing feats are junk.

Kokou is great if you don't use pets. Agile (bonus speed) is nice to have in the early game (before Zeome) but it loses its luster later. Runner feats (bonus stamina) I really like, but again, they'll lose their luster later. Cant speak to quartermaster, vampire. Prioritize the life-boosting feat over magical gene. And gentle face is okay, but if you're a wizard or use ranged weapons, it's not going to be so great.

>>13421206
I agree, but then some people want their RPGs to be srs bsns, and things can't be serious unless you have a full orchestra.

>>13421206
Its a matter of preference although I too like the default music.

>>13421224

I'm still fairly new to this game, did Noa intend for people to customize Elona's music and sprites? If not, don't you think that's kind of rude to do?

>>13421125
Kokou is a godsend if you don't use pets, useless if you do.
Quartermaster is pretty lousy, but still better than the skill+ feats.
Distance Runner is pretty good, but only if you use stamina in battle. Mages don't need it.
Vampiric is same as Distance Runner, but only if you have pets.
Agile is good.
Stone Defence and Dodge are crap. Such small amounts of PV/DV only matter for a few levels.
Magical Gene is good if you're having MP issues, or use Magic Burst. Worse than useless otherwise.
Gentle Face is mandatory for a stabby warrior type, pretty much useless otherwise.

>>13421232
He made it a simple process that anybody can do. That's a sure sign that customization was intended.

>>13421182
>>13420237

>>13421238
>Stamina is useless for mages

Absorb mana and refilling rods of mana mid-fight is incredibly useful.

How the hell do you guys organize all your storage houses?

mine seem to turn into dumping grounds for every kind of misc shit ever. I am already at 3 houses full of shit and I need a better way to organize it all.

Finally hit 800 speed through AP, that means it's time right? Time for shoes? I'm going to eat the fuck out of these shoes.

>>13421252
Oh it's you. Sometimes I think we're the only two people in this thread.

>>13421391
You get more speed gain through herbed food, but shoes make an excellent substitute. You'll also want to start manually tracking speed potential and rationing your speed uppers.

>>13421411
Herbed food gives more? I've only gained maybe 2 points through herbed food. Oh well, I can save up herbs while I go through these 5 pages of shoes.
I have 20ish speed uppers saved up, how do I manually track the potential?

>>13421391
Really? I was kinda under the impression there were a lot more thread posters and a lot of lurkers as well. At any rate, I'm more surprised at how long this thread has gone. I would of thought the post limit would have been achieved by now, thread closed, and a new thread started. GJ with your speed btw and holy fuck that's a lot of raw shoes lol.