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>>13359428
I choose to gap in a construction company and introduce insurance.

I would pick Kaguya because she's the NEET with the FEET.

>>13359428
Either:
1) Slap them both in the face and tell them to get over it, if it doesn't work then get a Oni and have Yukari move the boundary between "slow" and "fast", have the Oni slap them in the face at Flash speed till it get into their heads
2) Have Yukari make a pocket dimension where they can duke it out
Bonus point, close the exit after they are both in, leave closed for a billion years or so

I ask Yukari to gap Mokou out of Gensokyo and into my bed!

>>13359473
>>13359586
Neither Reimu or Yukari are interested in your suggestions. They're both very tired and Reimu has already chosen a course of action, someone is going to be gapped out of Gensokyo and if you won't help she might lose her patience and have Yukari send you first.

>>13359630
You're already in Gensokyo. Do you want to leave together? Mokou would probably hate you for it.

>>13359634
Do you realize how wrong is to separate Moko and Kaguya? one would probably become insane without the other. I can't choose because kicking one is gonna have the same results on both.

Mokou stays as long as she wears a China dress.

>>13359701
Their relationship has changed. It's more or less where they started out - now they have nothing but venomous hatred for each other and it's getting on Reimu's nerves.

>>13359719
Then I gather the dragonballs to rip the marysue status off Reimu and take it for myself. at this point, I proceed in slapping on the head Mokou and Kaguya until they stop being dickheads.
then I have sex with both at the same time. because I can

>>13359428
I'm gonna open Yukari's gap if you know what i mean.

>>13359749
You're going to need to elaborate.

>>13359768
I'm gonna jam it in!!

>>13359743
Reimu really isn't a Mary Sue. If she were she'd be a better Miko. But she's not a very good Miko because she's lazy and violent.

>>13359428
You know, as much as I like Mokou better than Kaguya, I think Gensokyo would be losing more if Kaguya were to disappear. She is the head of a big household and many of the members of that household rely on her presence to keep them together. Mokou on the other hand is somewhat of a lone wolf. She relies on no one and no one relies on her. If she were to disappear then nothing would change.

On top of that, Mokou would probably able to handle being alone on the outside better than Kaguya could. Mokou has lived like that all her life. It is business as usual for her, as opposed to Kaguya who is royalty and has never had to live like that before. Sure, she has an eternity to adapt but it is going to be tough shit for her until then.

But yes, Gensokyo would lose less with Mokou being gone.

Neither of them are stupid enough to let their battles cause that much collateral damage. Even if this did happen Mokou would get booted out no questions asked because Kaguya is an important figure of Eientei, one of the major factions in Gensokyo and removing her would piss Eiren right the fuck off.

>>13359883
You lost me.

Mokou and Kaguya rely on each other to keep on living/their sanity intact.

If either of them leaves, the other would leave to follow them.

>>13360416
>If she were to disappear then nothing would change.

A lot more people would be eaten by Youkai in the Bamboo Forest of the Lost.

Also Mokou was royalty once too. The fact that she acclimated to living in the woods like a dirty hobo is just another demonstration of her superiority over Kaguya, who can't function outside of her Eintei security blanket.

>>13360591
Reimu will just have to find someone to pick up the slack in the bamboo forest. Even she would have to agree that the less of two evils was chosen since the last thing she would want to do is make a major faction of the land mad by banishing their leader.

And exactly as you say, Mokou is better fit to be a lone hobo somewhere than Kaguya, which is why it should be her that goes.

>>13359428
I'd tell Kaguya to gtfo cause' Mokou is the best.

Logically though, Reimu wouldn't ask me and just banish Mokou if it ever got to that point. I'd imagine fucking with Eirin is a big no-no. And I'm sure sooner or later when Kaguya gets too bored, Eirin would find a way to convince Yukari to gap Mokou back.

>>13359428
Well it seems like Mokou has the most capacity for collateral damage and is propably the one who picks the fights.

But i'm a massive Mokou fag so Kaguya can fly to the moon

>>13360765
Kaguya would have an easier time finding herself in a modern society, going by her origins. There's also the fact that she's at least decent at public relations and organising events, and maybe even slightly tech-savvy to boot.

I say let Kaguya grace the outside world with her smarts and looks, and let Mokou grace my penis with those sweaty tits of hers.

>>13359428
Kaguya:
- helped Eirin to create the Hourai Elixir, possibly the strongest magic in Touhouverse.
- banished from her home because that.
- forced to live on Earth like a shitty peasant daughter for some years.
- has disgusting human noblemen falling all over her beauty.
- because simply telling them to GTFO is not on the table, sends them on a hopeless quest instead.
- gets rescued by Eirin
- both hide in Gensokyo, want literally nothing else but to be left alone.
- beloved in her house-hood and genuinely lovely to be around. Could behave like an useless spoiled princess but choses to be active in Eientei affairs instead.

Mokou:
- daughter of one of the said disgusting human noblemen.
- somehow takes daddy's rejection so seriously that she decides to murder Kaguya for that. (WTH, girl, have you heard about "consent"?)
- once Kaguya is rescued decides to mess with her legacy instead
- ends murdering a honest and innocent man.
- drinks the Hourai Elixir out of a mix of despite and nihilism
- goes crazy with immortality: Spends literally three centuries murdering human and youkai alike
- wants to kill Kaguya to this day.
- lives literally as a homeless hobo that causes forest fires and lies about it afterward. Only known friend is Keine.

And yet, somehow, if you pooled 2hu fans, most would say Mokou is the good one.

>>13363853
I pick Mokou!

>>13363853
>Only known friend is Keine.
I pick Mokou!

>>13363853
Pretty much this. Kaguya is vastly superior so she gets to stay in Gensokyo and Mokou, who is just a whiny brat, can fuck off. I have always thought it would be much better if ZUN had never even created Mokou to begin with, anyway, but since that's now impossible, at least taking her out of Gensokyo would be fine.

>>13363853
>most would say Mokou is the good one.
Because she's the most heroic figure of the two.
she's deeply flawed, but tries to make up for it. its easier to sympathize with her than a snobbish princess who's beloved in her household despite personality quirks.
also Mokou have the protagonist trademark, something to not understimate. symbols often say more than words, specially to subconscious

>>13363853
>>13364109
based kaguya samefag!

>>13364109
>Kaguya is vastly superior

>>13364109
>>13363853
I'm really looking forward to beat Kaguya using Mokou in ULiL
...OH WAIT!

>>13364117
What protagonist trademark? Kaguya had a whole tale written about her, if anything she is more of a protagonist than Mokou.

>>13364128
Nicholas Cage is honorary 2hu

>>13363853
She isn't the good one, she's the awesome one.
Kaguya is boring (and a huge troll with her quest, but that's not the point), is happy banished with the love of her life (don't deny it), subordinates/people who follow her every whim, most likely a lot of bunny bodyguards, is a Hikki and does practically nothing all day.
Mokou meanwhile taught herself how to summon flames from within, doesn't get close to people since she doesn't want to hurt them when they realize their mortality / doesn't want to get hurt herself because most of them are going to die soon, nevertheless helps people out of the never ending maze that is the bamboo forest (which is at least something compared to Kaguya's slacking) and at least has the moral sanity to regret the whole Hourai affair.

>>13364120
>>13364128
Fuck off.

>>13364167
How about nope?

>>13364183
Why not?

>>13364167
naa bitch

>>13364167
nah...

>>13364209
Just because.

>>13364166
Mokou is just a pessimistic retard that doesn't know how to enjoy immortality, even a little bit. It's not like she ever did anything with her immortal life apart from hating Kaguya and being an angsty idiot. A lot of other Touhou characters, even some that were once human, have lived for a long time yet all of them have always found something interesting to do. Mokou sounds like the boring one to me. I would prefer a refined, carefree princess that likes to tell stories to her visitors. She is not a slacker, if anything she has expressed the desire to help humans since she feels as a part of Gensokyo's society now. And the part about her subordinating people doesn't sound right, she has never been depicted that way.

>>13364339
I don't think you'd enjoy immortality either if all your friends around you would die. Kaguya has the immortal Eirin by her site, so she's never alone. Mokou on the other hand... And she did more to humanity already than Kaguya could ever do because she guides lost humans out of the bamboo forest which prevents them from getting eaten. I wouldn't say she's angsty or pessimistic either, she's just very shy.
Maybe she has expressed the desire to do so, but the only one in her household to actually help the folk is Eirin with her hospital.
And she may never have been depicted that way, but since she's so-to-speak the head of the household, Eirin is devout to her and Reisen has some shady relation to Eirin but still follows her orders (sometimes) they're her subs. It's true however that the part with the army of bodyguards is crap in retroperspective since Kaguya struck up a deal with the earth rabbits who follow Tewi.

>>13364406
or wait, shy is a bad choice for a word.
careful is better.

Gensokyo is Mokou's ancestral home
Kaguya is a refugee free-loader who helped smuggle in more Lunarians, and then committed a terrorist incident

BACK TO THE MOON, I SAY!

>>13364406
>Kaguya could ever do because she guides lost humans out of the bamboo forest which prevents them from getting eaten.
Mokou needs to keep doing this for 200 more years for her "good to humanity" score to become positive. Or did you miss the "300 years murdering humans and youkai alike" part?

>>13364439
She has all the time in the world to rack up karma points.

Not that she'll ever get the chance to cash them in.

>>13364439
Nope, I didn't.
Did you miss the part about Kaguya ordering Eirin to create a potion, well aware that it was the biggest taboo there is on the moon, being exiled and then when she already was pardoned killing off the emissaries send out to get her along with Eirin? (granted, Eirin killed the emissaries the first time, but Kaguya didn't do anything to stop the betrayal.)


Sure, Mokou killed lots of people, but assuming she saves a human every second day, that's still a bit more than 180 people a year which by now should've more than evened out the score.

>>13363853
>And yet, somehow, if you pooled 2hu fans, most would say Mokou is the good one.

Define good. Are we talking good as in a good person or good as in "better"?

Fights between Mokoufags and Kaguyafags reminds me of the rivalry between Mokou and Kaguya themselves, which is to say... "childish".

>>13364406
Mokou took the elixir so she could take revenge, she learnt how to fight so that she could relieve her anger on innocent youkai and humans for years and even now that she helps humans, she does it out of feeling guilty of all the stupid stuff she did. So many of her actions are driven by negative and sometimes, hardly justifiable feelings that it makes it so hard to like her even a bit. She still holds a grudge against Kaguya, even after 1000 years, for not wanting to marry a person she had never met. If she was a bit more mature and tolerant, she could have even befriended her and have an immortal buddy but nope. She still chooses to be so negative and just saving people doesn't automatically make her a great, likeable person.

>>13363998
go back to bed, Keine.

>>13364579
in both senses.

>>13364596
At least she admits that she fucked up a few hundred years ago.
Kaguya didn't. Sure, she -now- wants to support the people of the realm she was exiled to for being a selfish bitch, she grew to love the planet, but she never admitted she was wrong.
That's the reason I dislike her, she's all like "fk it, I'mma start anew, screw what I did wrong".
As much as I love Mokou, I'm with you that her motive back then and her hatred for Kaguya since she didn't want to marry Mokou's dad is quite the BS, but I'll say it again, Kaguya also acted on sheer idiocity, selfishness and stupidity back on the moon, so they're even.

>>13359917
But then why does she have the ability to literally leave reality and become untouchable?

Also, if you were to get Mokou to leave nobody would have a guide to the bamboo forest. If you were to have Kaguya leave her entourage would certainly follow. That means Gensokyo would lose the greatest doctor in existance.

>>13364622
Kaguya was exiled because they assumed immortality was impure.

She wasn't selfish. The Lunarians just thought she was impure. They even wanted her back, see IN character profiles.

>>13364652
Yeah, but if there was no guide through the forest, countless humans would be eaten by Youkai, think about it that way.
If there's no humans alive, Eirin would have nobody to cure.

>>13364658
They have the ability to send delivery rabbits all over to deliver medicine. Also Reisen.

No Moko-tan required.

>>13364662
Screw it, I'd still vote for Mokou to stay :v

>>13364672
I think it's too difficult a decision.

Plus I think Eirin and/or Kaguya would just tear Yukari a new one if she even tried to fuck with them. Power over eternity is bullshit OP.

>>13359428
They need to fuck and be over with it.

>>13364692
still not as OP as the ability to manipulate anything though.

Then again, even with her power Kaguya wouldn't be able to take a dump without Eirin holding her hand. たすけて、えい-りん！

Maybe it would be nice if at the end of Mokou's story in ULiL we see her casually talking about the events of what just happened with Kaguya and then, after they are finished, they get ready for a "friendly" fight to death. Too bad, it's never happening.

>>13364622
Kaguya didn't "fuck up". She and Eirin created something that could make humans into something superior to gods. On doing that they seemingly violated the laws of their country, but even if this makes Kaguya and Eirin into "criminals", making a potion isn't "immoral". For actual immoral behavior, refer to "Mokou's entire life up to about a few years ago".

What Mokou actually has going for her is "appearance". Look at this shit: Long white hair, intense expression, hands on pockets, torn shirt. Her power is "control of fire" and when she needs to power-up she gets a Phoenix aura. For Kanako's sake, this is straight from a chuunibyou's notebook and that's the entire cause for her popularity: Some people decide to ignore her entire whinny history and think she's Gensokyo's dangerous delinquent. (see: Yumiya and Mitsumoto)

>>13364788
She did fuck up by violating the rules.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
And yes, it COULD make humans into something superior to gods, but the only samples were used for herself, Eirin and later accidentally for Mokou.

And her appearance has got nothing to do with the fact that you can't accept that your dear Kaguya isn't flawless. At least I can admit that Mokou messed up.

How cool do you think Mokou's dad was for her to lose her shit to this degree just because her dad got rused by a hot chick?

>>13364788
Looks like an angry hobo that doesn't have enough money for a new shirt, wearing clown pants. This ridiculous design is an insult to the legendary phoenix. A nice long red and white elegant frilly dress would have been way more appropriate.

>>13364812
She's a loner and often portrayed as a tomboy, a dress wouldn't fit her personality.

>>13364810
Actually, it was Mokou's dad trying to ruse a hot chick.

>>13364821
And her personality and appearance don't fit the grace of a phoenix. It's a shame that the idea of the phoenix was wasted on her

>>13364830
yeah, whatever. She's Touhou's Phoenix, deal with it.

>>13364805
Did you see the part where I say that Kaguya and Eirin were "criminals"? Because that's exactly what they were. They broke the law of their land, but breaking the law isn't always correlate to acting immorally.

Of course Kaguya and Eirin aren't flawless. For example, they're not using her magical powers to solve world's hunger or coming with a cure for cancer that normal humans doctors can use. They chose instead to waste their huge potential in that endless pageant at the aptly called House of Eternity.

So, in the end, the situation is:
1) Kaguya is guilty of not doing as much good as possible.
2) Mokou is guilty of countless murders.

Yeah, things look really bright for Mokou.

>>13364931
I rather see it as
1) Kaguya is guilty for -up to now- not doing anything good even though she could, all good that comes from Eientei is Eirin
2) Mokou screwing up badly and is on the rocky road to redemption.

>>13364953
Still, on a wider scale Kaguya is doing more as a figurehead holding Eientei with together with her presence than Mokou is doing in general. Eirin and the rest of Eientei would probably fuck off if their princess goes missing either to look for her or to find new homes and you can bet that Eirin will be one of the ones that goes off to look for Kaguya, leaving Gensokyo without a capable doctor.

I like Mokou better. She has a more interesting backstory in my opinion, but even I have to admit that Gensokyo would be poorer for losing Kaguya over Mokou.

>>13365008
Still, it's BS that Mokou takes the short straw just because it so happens that Eirin, for whatever unclear reason is so devoted to Kaguya. If Eirin was independent, no one would bat an eye if Kaguya would go amiss.

>>13364652
It's like how John Wayne or Clint Eastwood are never in any real danger in their films, but you wouldn't call them Gary Stus. They can still lose, mess up, get angry, and have human failings even if in the end their prowess is absolute.

are posts being randomly deleted from threads by accident somehow

>>13365017
Isn't having friends in high places a wonderful thing?

Kaguya is best immortal girl.

>>13364166
>>13364406
I knew mokou fags were stupid, but not this much.

>>13364788
>straight from a chuunibyou's notebook and that's the entire cause for her popularity
That's exactly it.

>>13366460
Then again, Mokoufags are in general not nearly as insufferable as most Kaguyafags.

Now with Reisen in 15, I would say both are flawed as fuck and I'd follow Reisen.

Mokou is taller than Kaguya and therefore better.

>>13364591
Reminds me of argument about religion in Miko thread long time ago, which looked like it were Byakuren and Miko themeselves arguing, IMO.

>>13371314
I'm that dude who argues for spirituality and it's not like that at all.

The other dude refuses to accept any kind of religion as anything but political ploy.

>>13364591
And destroys everything in the vicinity?

>>13371333
>The other dude refuses to accept any kind of religion as anything but political ploy

I wonder who's behind that

>>13371376
Except Miko accepts the Tao.

She just thinks Buddhism is a religion for plebs because it's entirely based on the idea of accepting suffering.

>>13371393

Based as fuck Miko

>>13371393
Buddhism is the faith for quitters. It teaches that life sucks and that it is always going to suck to some degree no matter how many times you reincarnate so you might as well stop being part of this world and join the cosmic hivemind where you will never have to suffer again.

I like it. I can relate to it.

>>13372567
Maybe Mokou and Kaguya need to find a religion to end this forever.

Except then one of them becomes a Taoist and the other becomes a Buddhist.

>>13364720
Really?
I always find this BS. Wasn't it Kaguya who aided EIRIN in her route, broke the eternal night spell by herself and did most of the work in both making the Hourai Elixir and hiding them from the moon people? Atleast if I remember Akyuu correctly.

>>13374242
Pretty much. The whole useless Kaguya meme was basically created by IOSYS from whole cloth.

>>13375283
And yet there are so many people who believe it.

Mokou is superior in every way.

>>13374242
>Wasn't it Kaguya who aided EIRIN in her route
Yes, but this was mainly because Eirin was fooling around too much and slipped up.
>broke the eternal night spell by herself
Yes? It isn't as if anyone else would until the protags were beaten.
>did most of the work in both making the Hourai Elixir
No, Eirin just needed Kaguya's power as a sort of sample to create it.
>and hiding them from the moon people
No, this was basically entirely Eirin. It was Kaguya's ability keeping Eientei locked in history, but that pretty much relied on nobody uncovering Eientei in the first place. It turns out that hiding Eientei's history was largely unnecessary anyways.

>>13376985
Hm, then I certainly misunderstood how the part about "locking eientei in place" worked, fair points.

Still, I don't think Kaguya should be seen as helpless as the fanon often makes her seem.