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Will my shop sell foods I've cooked?

>>13280416
Yes but it will rot if rottable, lowering its price immensely.

>>13280434
Ah, that's what I figured, thanks.
Guess I'll sell directly to a shop.

Is there any way to lower my max MP temporarily? I'm tired of getting one-shotted by magic reaction every time I hold down a key bound to reading a book.

>>13282768
There's the training gift from Itzpalt the reduce magic by 1300.
You get it by talking to him in person at 4025 favor.
There's also getting magic and will lowered on purpose by a statdraining monster.

Go down to 10 speed in the ocean palace.
Rest.
Nearly an entire month flies by within a second.
Sure, it'll fuck you sideways if you need to pay taxes, but if you can ignore that, you can pass time extremely quickly.
Even with the +20% speed feat at solo (summon a pet) or the +speed from swimming when wet (drop the aqua thing for a moment)
I use this to clear my 400 item shop within a minute and then stock back up to level it up faster.
I also use it to reset Well-wishes

Experience in tactics/weapons/evasion/armour scale with level of the enemy, or a level 1 thing give as much per blow as a level 9000, just the number of blow change ?

About to setup an asura training room and want to be sure it's worthwhile.

Can I tell my pet to stop using certain spells? I just bagged a xeren electric tank, and it seems to love shooting me in the face with its lightning bolt.

>>13286277
AP trainer

>>13280434
None of my food has ever rotted in my shop

>>13283003
Does this mean you can go down there and spam stuff like Kumiromi's statue and Yacatect's gem stone?

>>13286277
Give it control magic, one of the slaves at the slave master has it.

Are there any reasons to get a god pet to a high level? I've been training up my exile to level 30, but then unlocked South Tyris and the buyable monster balls and caught myself a meshera gamma, which completely outclasses my exile in every way.

>>13287882
Sentimental reasons only.

>>13287882
Pets with low starting levels, such as god pets, have low training costs. It's not at all hard to get an Exile to the point where they stay at 400% potential in all stats/skills just off the gold they pickpocket from their kills. It's VERY hard to do the same with something like a meshera.

>>13287882
As
>>13287891

says, if you're going to raise a pet to max stats other than spirits, low-level pets will likely reach it faster due to the changes to training. It's still a lot of work though.

I want to evolve my little girl to a Valkyrie because she's a qt3.14. Does the cheer special action stack with the effects of boost? I know I can use the cheer s.a. myself but the stamina cost is nothing to sneeze at.

Also will a Miss Vampire continue throwing potions after being evolved from a White Princess?

>>13288090
Yes and yes.

>>13288104
Thanks anon.

>>13287887
>>13287891
>>13287987

Thanks for the tips, guys. I guess I'll have to continue leveling up my exile, however slow it's going to be.

I just beat zeome and moved to south tyris, is there a way to move my shop, home, museum, etc there as well? Seems annoying to have to move back and forth between continents

>>13288276
It's literally one cast of return and a few seconds of walking. Stop bitching about things that don't matter.

You can't move anything over, but you do get a house equivalent and can freely set up more shops and museums.

>>13287182
I don't know 100% but I don't see why not.
At 10 speed, you pass an entire day per turn.
At 90 speed it's still like 6 hours a pop

Thinking about it, with a top level shop, museum and castle, even if you lose all your fame from not paying taxes you should still make more money via salary than your bills are
So you could pass like 500 years in 30 minutes in the ocean palace and then reap the benefits of a gazillion items in the salary box.

Actually. What is the item limit of the salary box? Anyone know?

Hmm, I can actually get 11 constitution in less than 30 minutes irl

But why is Dex really hard to grind? I got lots of low level monsters attacking me along with some lucky shooting hamsters and quickling archers but I only got 1 cons 5 dex and 1 perception in nearly 1 hour? I always start stat grinding at superb and push it up again with potentials when it reaches bad

>>13288781
~200 items or so, afaik.

>>13290464
Stealing trees is nice.

Anyone knows what influence dungeon level spawns? I'm literally stuck at The Void because of that 2000 speed fox boss that I can't really beat and I can't find a dungeon at around lvl 200~ for me to awake and safely gain continuous AP

>>13290494
Is it not cheeseable with wishing for ehekathl + contingency so she mewmewmews the boss?

>>13290479
sStealing the entire inside of the cyber dome is even funnier

>>13290516
Isn't the cyber dome static though ?
I didn't tried to steal stuff, but that one wall i mined long ago is still gone.

>>13290512

I haven't found a single rod of wishing in my whole playthrough

>>13288781
>>13290478
Mine has 343 right now, and I recently took some things out. The cap may be 350, but Id have to wait a bit to see.

>>13290575
Sure it's static, but it's not like that really matters.

>>13290494
Umm, they changed the formula fairly recently. 1.40 I think?

If I remember correctly... It's now based on story progress, the highest DL dungeon you've been to, and the continent that the dungeon spawns on.

>>13290494
Are you saying the dungeons are higher or lower than 200? If they're lower just run the highest level one on the map then reset with Opatos statue, repeat until typical DL reaches 200. If they're too high there's nothing you can do.

I limit myself to level+20 concerning spell leveling now.
I can enjoy the game once more instead of having to spam spells every turn.

>>13291033

Doubt it would end at 350

>>13293925

My typical DLs are at 300-800 along with some 100-180s. The dungeon levels are trolling me real hard for skipping the entire 200-300 and I've been searching for days now in all continents. Guess I should just fuck my waifu and start over since I can't handle a lvl 300 awakened dungeon.

Why the topmost row can't be seen ? I tried all resolutions, windowed and fullscreen, but the topmost row is always blocked from sight.

>>13295935
1296X704 is what i use.
Just have a fullscreen blank notepad open behind to clearly see the boundaries.

Though, my monitor is 1360X768, so maybe you could do better, but you'd have to experiment with the config file.

>>13295946
Thanks, i got it by setting 1296x712, it gives the most visible topmost row

If i change it to 716 or 708, it loses visibility again

What is the best setting for 1080p ?

How do I have fun?

>>13297460
Grinding is its own goal and reward.

My hobby is grinding astral light pens so I can sell Pael's mom at Derphy ad infinitum

NoA confirmed to continue working on ELIN. Rejoice and hope is on our side in it's development.

mmmm

>>13301020
ELIN?

>>13301084
The successor game to ELONA.

>>13301102
This show only the female characters and Mani didn't get shanked. Right ?

>>13301115
Yep. Some fun stuff are going to go down in the new land.

>>13301121
I can't believe i'm saying it, or actually meaning it, but i hope we'll be able to autistically grind in elin too.

>>13301020

Wait. What. I can't find any news about this.

>>13301020
>>13301175
what I'm hearing is that development on Elin has been abandoned.

Can I do something with computer chips?

>>13305360
Offer them to Mani.
Decorate your lairs.

That's it as far as i know.

How can I get rid of these doors? They aren't disappearing by themselves and they aren't pretty either.

>>13306350
Close and bash.

>>13280434
Food does not rot in the shop

>>13306350
Use hunting quests or the arena for door spamming.

>>13306356
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Bash

Wiki mentions bashing doors resulting rearely in negative stat results, but that wiki page isn't very specific. Any more info on this?

>>13306350

>>13288288
I can have two shops?
Does that mean I need another shop keeper?

>>13306532
Yes and yes.

>>13306350
Can't you burn them down?

Otherwise just reset the town and learn your lesson.

>>13306449
Yes, he can close the doors by holding shift and pressing c. Then he can hit b to bash the doors to destroy them completely. This may or may not take several atempts and there is a risk that you'll 'hurt your muscle' which results in a strength loss. This doesn't have to be a permanent loss and is nothing really to worry about seeing as how you can just restore your strength by talking to a healer in town.

Travelling is trained per step, or by time spent travelling ?
As in, is it better to wander at 10 speed to train it ?

>>13308497
it's by per tile travelled.

>>13308508
Thanks.

What's the rule of thumb concerning gathering skills ?
Same level as the dungeon, half, a quarter, some fixed level can gather everything, something else ?

>doing some 160+ DL dungeons and going pretty smoothly through them
>get to the 3rd floor of a DL that was like 172
>two five head gods in a small room right at the stairs you enter from
>right back up the stairs and return

I'm not a coward am I?

>>13301020
I had never heard of this ELIN before.

>>13306350

Spawn some <> monster in there and let him chase you

>>13310513

It was announced back in 2012 (I believe) Noa hadn't announced tons on it but there was some pictures on their site, they even reached out to hire artists to work on it with them.

It was basically just going to be a better Elona, "Emo roguelike" they called it, which from what was shown I assume they meant gothic in design, because it was a bit darker/grim than Elona and less light hearted animu. It was planned as a "life long project".

...and then nothing became of it.

All shops seem to "upping" themselves, im just level 20 and didnt invest in any shop, but all shops are around level 10-12 now. What happens ?

>>13310458

What the fuck are you talking about?

>>13310995
Getting material successfully in dungeons, instead of garbage.

Daily reminder to always check any kind of weapons you pass by whether it's at good or even not at all. I got a shitton of living weapons at low level escort needed quests

>>13310505
I'd have done the same thing.

>>13310959
It was changed in an update.

>>13310903
I hope he gets somewhere with it.

Does an assigned shopkeeper gain charisma and negotiation skills when selling items? If not, what is the best way to train those?

>>13315580

Yeah. They train char/negotiation automatically when assigned at shops so keep them at max potential by potions and town trainers then take them out again if the % gets too low or the charisma is at bad/good whatever

>>13310505

Still better than getting sandwiched by 2 atlas and a stag god at that level

>>13315823
it's not a sandwich, it's a MANwich.

>>13301020
Source? I find this hard to believe since it never was more than an idea and it's been like 3 years since it was announced.

Lol, just found myself in prison after reading a return scroll. Guess it was cursed. Btw, its literally raining cure corruption potions from dungeon bosses...

>>13317154
I've never been in prison in 400+ hours of playtime.

I guess I'm just mega lucky

>>13317733
It's hardly luck, "should I read from the stack of two return scrolls or sixty?" With that plus the return spell I can't fathom how anybody could wind up in jail unintentionally.

>>13317746
It's a good source of toilets if you want to make a complete bathroom in your house

>>13318030
Only in Elona would someone go to jail just for the toilets.

>>13317733

But you always get cursed items even if your luck stat enables you to see 4 gold bells simultaneously in a mob right?

>>13318491
Only in Elona would someone go to jail to STEAL the toilet.

Just encountered my first hunting mission filled to the brim with xeren electric tanks.
Jesus fucking christ.

>>13319245
no? My luck stat is fairly high, and I don't get too many cursed/doomed items. most of what I see of them are what's on adventurers in towns. I spent a huge chunk of the little sister rewards on happy apples before I knew any better.

>>13320021
What are better rewards?

>>13320027
Personally i spend it all on statues of kumiromi, but that's probably not optimal.
I just can't be arsed to do the quests or feed the fairies, but love farming.

>>13320027
Cheeses and magic fruit
High level artifacts
statues

This is what happens when the boss of a dungeon is a great race of Yith.

>>13320119
Larna must be a lively town.
All those insane adventurers periodically visiting...

>>13320119
That's the only reason I have a Little witch in my party.
Not like she could keep up with that but it's still bettr than stealing 500 unicorn horns from Lumiest.

>>13320053
The only other particularly worthwhile rewards are the cheese and the magic fruit, and I'd even argue the magic fruit is mostly without much use.

I use all of mine and Kumiromi statues too. All the herbs.

>>13320276
spamming low-level healing spells on yourself gets rid of 1 sanity per casting.

>>13320328
>>13320053
You can have multiples of one statue?
Never knew that.

>>13320398
Yep. I've got one for Jure, Itzpalt, 0patos, Mani, and Lulwy.

>>13321305
Why do you need multiple statues of Opatos?

>>13321345
Mostly because I'm a massive faggot.

I have 20 pages worth of items in my shop lock-box. I hate myself.

I have 14 statues of kumiromi. I'm basically living off of herbed-up curarias.

I have a 'magic barrier' that drains my mana instead of my health whenever I take damage. I almost never die now.

Kumiromi Gemstones of Rejuvenation or Kumiromi Statues?
(from the Little Sisters quest)

>>13321586
>Kumiromi Statues
No reason not to get both if you're so inclined but I would prioritize getting the statues over the gemstones.

I use the gemstones for revival mainly instead of hurrying the growth process since I like to harvest all my plants at one time. I don't really have a problem with dead plants since my gardening is high and I typically bless the seed stacks before I begin farming. Having said that you'll still get a handful of dead plants so it might be beneficial to have a handful of gemstones but don't go crazy with it.

So my advice would be to get a handful of gemstones but get as many statues as you can. You want herb seeds the most because they will help in stat building. Between the statues, harvest quests, and fairy droppings you should be able to have a couple of farms dedicated to growing an herb food supply. Make sure to plant your seeds in the soil areas of your farms so when you harvest then you get the chance of automatically planting a free herb seed.

>>13321403
How do you get so many? Wishing for one every chance you get?

>>13322511
>>13320053
You can't wish for precious items anyway.

>>13322511
Little sister quest.

Farmers suck. Where are the fishermen masterrace here?

>>13323350
I always have a stock of rotten fishes on myself.
They're light and it raise a gathering skill consistently.

Farm produces are way too heavy on average, better to simply cook/sell them on the spot.

>>13323360
What's that about rotten fishes and a gathering skill?

>>13323483
For raising fishing.
Raising fishing for raising fishing is really boring, but getting thirty or so fishes every time you're out of food is cozy.

Before you know it, you're a master fisherman.

>>13321889
Statue farming is basically pointless if you have a little setup

Step 1: Get your salary higher than your tax (castle rank 1, shop rank 1, museum rank 1, money at hand as low as possible)
Step 2: Put a salary chest + taxtbox in maid mansion
Step 3: Have the Opatos special gift that lowers speed by over 1300

Optional Steps if your speed is over 1370 before swimming buff and (+20% speed because alone) buff
Optional 1: Either have a few super heavy items like altars at hand, something, anything that puts you at overweight (but not so much that you take damage)
Optional 2: Run your stamina into the ground to -100, but not recommended if you have kumiromi as active god
Optional 3: Equipment with minus speed

Step 4: Go to the Ocean Palace in Valm
Step 5: Lower speed to 10
Step 5: With 10 speed, you can press space bar once and slightly over 24 hours pass instantly.
Step 6: Return every 3 1/2 months to maid mansion via return spell to avoid massive karma loss
Step 6 Optional 1: never leave anything valuable behind on the ocean palace map when you leave

Optional Step 7: Get some well wishes every now and then since you'll be passing years in hours like this. Having a bunch of ranches with low breed power monsters that have high yield can also be useful.


I got 591 herb seeds before I stopped

>>13321479
That is a terrible feat for a wizard though.

>>13321479
>>13323618
100% of damage goes to mana instead of life?

>>13323624
Yes. The very same mana that wizards use to deal mage.
My routine as a wizard is not getting hit in the first place and alternatively, teleporting and healing. With spells.

>>13323618
>>13323624
>>13323671
It depends, actually. For a PC, spending MP to cast a heal spell will ALWAYS be more MP efficient than barrier spending MP to tank damage. BUT, barrier doesn't require an action.
If you take damage slowly, you don't spend too many actions healing and barrier sucks because you're burning MP faster than needed.
If you take damage quickly, barrier will noticeably increase the amount of actions you can take before you start having to spend actions on healing. And that can easily win fights.

>>13323678
Name me a scenario where I will take damage quickly because I cannot teleport away and heal and then magic dart, teleport, magic dart, teleport, etc anything to death

>>13323685
Awakened dungeon, threat adjacent to stairs. All teleports are blind, all enemies are active. Nowhere's safe.

>>13323711
teleport, magic map, wall creation

>>13323584
I don't have access to South Tyris yet so I can't use the Ocean Palace for your interesting time trick. Having said that I'm not connecting the dots between your time trick and getting more herb seeds. Where in your post do you tie your time trick to you getting 591 herb seeds?

Since there is a cooldown timer for using the Kumi statues to generate seeds the time trick you mention would actually come in handy to negate the cooldown letting you generate more seeds right? The effect is even more impressive with if you farmed more statues since you'll have more statues to draw seeds from?

>>13323824
I think he got the seeds as his salary.

>>13323824
>>13323834
Kumi's statue generates seeds. Including herb seeds. Using the ocean palace to make the cooldown expire in a few turns gives massive seeds/turn.

>>13323824
>>13323834
Kumiromi statue. Of course, additional statues expedite this process but not really necessary.

>>13323584
One or two dungeons and the statues are usable again, no need to go that far ( unless you do it for the ranch, then why not coax the most out of it yes ).
And besides, the number of plants withering is capped at 5% so 3~ statues per two farms is all that's needed to always have your fields full.

>>13323584
Why do you want herbs when potions of potential are so much more convenient and so easily available?

How can a real-time action RPG Elona+ game work? I couldn't sleep last night fantasizing about the possibilities and hurdles.

>>13323921
I would be interested in co-op netplay. Or just actual netplay for Elona somehow.

>>13323921
I don't think it would. A large part of why the game works is its roguelike nature.

>>13323917
Because they refuse to show up for me and this method involves extremely little rng

>>13323921
It's called real life
Sadly, it's NO FUTURE mode and can't be changed.

>>13323941
What about pausing the game? Like when selecting a spell or designating tactics and targets.

>>13323952
Real life doesn't have a lot of things Elona+ has.

>>13323952
Real life is a shit game though.

>>13323917
The herbs don't just raise stat potential. They also exercise stats the same way skills do. For instance mining helps to raise constitution the same way a Morgia does as well. So by eating herbs you actually can have a chance of raising a stat. By using a pot for fusion you can even combine herbs with other herbs to create a really potent meal that can raise stats.

>>13323987
Herbed food even trains speed and maybe luck.

Can you guys help me assess this ether ballista? I'm ok with the ether disease, but I'm not sure I can handle the massive DV hit or the weight crimping my style. The mods on it are also not very useful.

But all that damage...

I'm currently all in on firearms with Mani's shotgun.

>>13324105
I'm not a fan of gigantic damage ranges like 1d<lots> since you can get fucked by rolling shit 10 times in a row constantly

>>13324128
When you crit though...

>>13324105
It's shit. Get something with decent dice or decent modifiers, that has neither.

>>13324128
>>13324215
>>13324334
Okey doke, thanks. I just recruited Isca, so it's off to her.

>>13323842
it's been patched over a while ago. the cooldown on statues never goes below 120 hours while you're inside the underwater palace.

>>13323678
>>13323671
I usually focus on melee, and my evasion and Greater Evasion skills are ridiculous, so the barrier is pretty nice for those rare occasions when I do get hit.

>>13323685
When you have a ridiculous amount of cargo and you get stopped by a rogue boss and his troupe.

Does Noa have a blog I can follow? Or Twitter at least?

>>13324907
Really? I didn't know that
That's stupid.
Guess I'll get some 10000+ herb seeds before I update

>>13326170
just backspace+enter the truce grounds brah

inb4 cheating

>>13326178
That's more effort than doing the statue + seapalace thing tho

>>13321889
>>13323584
Thanks

>>13326349
Would definitely fuck a 178cm fairy

Do any of you care about your height/weight? Or are all of you three meter tall skelletons?

>>13328144
I've been trying to get my character to gain weight and get shorter recently but I'm stalled at about 30 kg and still over 2 m tall, it seems like every time I get the "gain weight" message after eating I soon decide to drink a potion and vomit from being bloated already, which causes me to lose weight. I just need to remember to not do that and I'll get up to something more reasonable.

>>13328144
It feels like a losing battle to try and fix mine.
I think i'm less dense than water at this point.

fuck yeah

>>13324105

I use an adamantium sniper rifle at 1d88 (-6) at 4.5s. Definitely better than that even if it doesn't have a damage bonus since I enjoy dealing 6 digit damages on bosses

>>13328204
>>13328254
Cursed potions of slow increases your weight. Throwing up decreases it.

Cursed/blessed milk increase/decrease your height respectively.

Blessed potion of slow decreases your age. Cursed potions of speed increase it.

>>13328888
It's funny that I almost never find blessed potions of slow. It's like the game knows it's the elixir of youth.
Also you got the milk effects reversed.

>>13328907
How rare are slow potions? Shouldn't a well invested magic vendor carry them occasionally? Making it blessed shouldn't be too hard. Just get bottles of water either through finding them or spending medals. Then go to the Truce Grounds and find the altar of the god you're worshiping and drop the bottles on said altar. That should bless the water and then you just mix the blessed water with anything you want to bless such as the potions of slow.

>>13328966
I mean that the game rarely gives me potions of slow that are blessed already. I wonder if the spawn rate of them is lower than the rest. Uncursed potions of slow are common.

>>13328346
Siva the Destruction isn't happy that you're bullying his friend. You should go and visit him to smooth things over.

>>13328966
>not having an altar in your house
It's like you want to get out of your house you unNEET.

Fuck, only found the first book of rachel. Four times.
I'm ready to go to South Tyris, do they drop there ?

I'm a gunner turned thief with a high enough stealth to crit everything I shoot with my sniper rifle as long as I'm careful. If they are bosses and are willing to close in, worshiping Kumiromi makes it possible to blast them to death with zeroshoots.
>>13328704 has the right idea how to use 1d[loadsadamage] weapons.
Also the fact that I wear a tonfa and a claw rather than a melee weapon gives me a nice boost on my minimum damage before marksman multiplier can kick in.

I'm still stuck with the Valkoinen Kuolema though.
Any tips how to get something to see invisibles?
Or should I just wear the sage's helm and stash the ### marksman miracle helm?

>>13329390
Sage's helm from small medals and lucky dagger from ehekatl are the sure and easy ways.

>>13329384
4th book from quest in lumiest + there's one in little sister's house

Is it just me or does my evolved Android take more money to go to the trainer than the unevolved one?

>>13328888
>Cursed potions of slow increases your weight
>Blessed potion of slow decreases your age

I can't believe I never knew this even though I have been playing the game for years
I just ignored potions of slow for the spell

Good to know though, now I won't be an old man anymore

>>13329922
Check if the INI changed, as apparently that's the only thing that matters now.

Is it worth going Kokou?

>>13331230
Probably depends on how good your pets are. If they're just dead weight most of the time, then probably. Personally, one or two of my pets could probably beat me in a straight duel, so I'd rather keep them around.

Can you go beyond the 2000 speed limit with Kokou and swimming?

>>13331254
Alright cool, guess I'm going kokou since my pets are mostly useless and require high maintenance to actually become useful.

>>13331287
Yes. 2000 only limits your inherent speed. Equipment, feats, skills, buffs can all bring you above 2000.

Same goes for all other stats and skills.

>>13331590
it'll be really hard to justify 400 speed loss (at 2000 speed +20%) unless the pet is ridiculously OP

I just got this weird potential buff to charisma and endurance couple of turns ago. I did not notice how I got them, and the message log does not tell me.

"Hint Grow Charisma: 1628 (12) Increases the growth rate Charisma by 25"

"Hint Grow Endurance: 1628 (10) Increases the growth rate Constitution by 5"

How did I get these? During my sleep? How often does this happen?

>>13332875
eat raw equipment that maintains that attribute

>>13332915
AAAAhhhh... So thats what happened. I did indeed accidentally eat some random candy shoes that I was going to sell.

Is there a way to get my pet to retaliate to anything that attacks it? I set it to 'onslaught' but it still ignores monsters that use swarm and elemental breaths.

>book of wishing in a rank 29 magic shop
Well, that was unexpected.
Only one charge, but still, you don't see that every day.

>>13331802
Not really. A pet that is even remotely near your own strength will vastly outweigh 400 speed at that point.

400 extra speed means a lot when you only have 100. When you have 2000, it's nowhere near as big. The only thing it matters against are inner gods and capped enemies from the void / awakened dungeons, but against those, 400 speed means a single extra turn over your opponent for every five turns. If you haven't been neglecting pets, they should easily be worth more than that.

Not that it matters. Play long enough and you'll get every feat you want from secret treasure of kumiromi.

>>13334064
The tradeoff is a bit more involved than that. There's basically two playstyles in the late-lategame, Riding or Solo.

Riding means you ride a speed= 2000 pet, you have additional pets to meatshield or DPS as needed, you take the Ether disease that gives PV for -speed, and you can freely get additional body parts up to max limit. The down side is that pets' Swimming doesn't kick in when they're being ridden and also can't get ether diseases, so your max unbuffed speed is capped at 2000 + 300 (soma) + 800 (speed) + Equipment.

Solo style means you get no pets (except utility pets that you call out temporarily then put away), you don't get body parts past 13, but you can max swimming and use the perma-wet jewel for an additional +1000 speed, abuse ether diseases for +510, and get the +400 Kokou bonus. Total speed = 2000 + 300 (Soma) + 800 (Speed) + 1000 (Swimming) + 510 (Ether) + 400 (Kokou) +Equipment.

tl;dr: soloing with right kind of grinding makes you almost twice as fast.

Interestingly enough, snails benefit more than other non-debug races in solo, due to body parts distribution.

>>13334401
as a practical consideration, riding style is much easier to do. getting your speed up to 2000 is a bitch. getting swimming up to 2000 is even more of a bitch. getting a speed 2000 pet is relatively easy, though.

>>13334420
It's really satisfying to be a literal god of war, though.
I mean, a strong and independant one, that don't no pet nu uh.

>>13334401
No, it's really not more involved than that. At 2k speed, 400 extra speed nets you an extra turn over a 2k speed opponent for every 5 turns. Your other speed bonuses don't matter; if you're at 4k speed from other things, then gain an additional 400, you will have two turns for every one turn of the enemy, with an additional (3rd) turn on every 5th "round".

A good pet is worth more than one turn for every five rounds.

And those are definitely not the only high-level playstyles. Literally the only part of the 2nd build that can't be done with a pet is kokou.

>>13333628
books of wish are always one charge. same with the rod.

>>13334631
>A good pet is worth more than one turn for every five rounds.

well, it depends on what the metric is.

are you more powerful with a few maxxed-out pets following you? sure. but they also get in the way of things. you have to micromanage them a bit. sometimes they kill things they're not supposed to. also, more gear to grind for, and bigger chance of getting cursed. finally, it's harder to grind yourself up. petmasters are generally less powerful than soloing players of the same playtime (much better metric than level).

playing solo is simpler and more streamlined. and you'll become powerful enough to kill anything, anyway, albeit slower.

>>13334813
>more gear to grind for, and bigger chance of getting cursed
That shouldn't be a problem at that point. I got piles of leftover precious weapons that I'm itching to use. I enjoy making up new playstyles for pets and building them around certain weapons.

You're right about petmasters being weaker though. Since I'm lazy and prefer to have my pets do everything, I have six pets that are over twice as powerful as I am. But that's the playstyle I prefer. Just a lazy NEET gathering materials in dungeons while my cute girl harem slaughters everything.
Melee pets, shooty pets, casting pets, buff pets, debuff pets, healing pets, tanking pets, material gathering pets, I built up my team so I don't have to do anything except just walk around and occasionally heal or shoot.

It's a good feel when you protected your original little girl for the majority of the beginning and now she's a Valkyrie killing Atlases while you run away.

Do a young lady picture exist? its kid of hard to get her clothes right from the sprite.

>>13334813
There are certainly other things to take into account when considering whether to go solo or not, but that was never what my response was to.

When simply comparing a good pet vs kokou, when we're talking about at/near stat/skill cap, the pet will win. 400 speed just can't compare to another capped/near-capped ally.

You're right in that you can do anything in the game with essentially any playstyle though, and people should really play whatever they get the most enjoyment from. I personally do two pets. Anything more just gets too tedious for me.

>>13334946
>When simply comparing a good pet vs kokou, when we're talking about at/near stat/skill cap, the pet will win.

the pet will win if you'd rather have more power at the cost of having to deal with pet AI. if you'd rather have the convenience (and also you have 2000 speed and swimming), kokou will win.

>>13328966

Debuff potions are rare. Maybe even rarer than potentials since I get potentials regularly and I see sleeping drugs/a poison/slow thrice in a blue moon

>>13334971
You keep adding conditionals that were never part of the original topic. Pure strength wise, the pet > kokou. That's it. That's all I said. That's all I've ever said. If you actually read my post, you should know I wasn't contesting that it's more work. Stop trying to argue something with me that I never said and was never part of the original discussion.

It's like arguing whether $5 or $6 is worth more, and then coming in and saying that it takes more effort to get the $6. Of course it does. Nobody contests it does. But that's not what was being discussed, so stop acting like it was.

>>13334933

>>13329390

Well I have a ring from my nigga Moyer with a resist paralysis, confusion, element resists and lets me see invis. If only it has a resist bleed (if there's even something like that) it'd be literally perfect.

That Valkoinen Kuolema has low dice, I think my d88 isn't even the max on an adamantium rifle since I didn't have the chance to savescum and test it. That 1d138 (-56) N97 Cannon from <Garziem> is the real deal even if that hit bonus is a little unattractive

Is there a way to make more cursed water?
I have a bottle but looks like I can't mix it with more water to create new bottles.

>>13335164
Use scrolls of curse. Drop your other items first.

>>13335214
Thanks, that worked just fine.

Another thing,
I was considering using a cursed flying scroll and then a blessed flying scroll on pic related to turn it to about 4.0s so that I can use it while riding with no penalty (two hand).
Good or bad idea?
I really want an axe I can use while riding but they are impossible to find for me.
I'm so tired of Mournblade.
For people who ride, what weapon do you use?

>>13335285
Save your scrolls. You'll find better stuff later.

>>13335115
An artifact ether shotgun can go up to 4d25+27.

Holy shit, I love the new android. Could I get two androids in my party at one time?

>>13335440
I'm pretty sure if you leave Mani and then follow him again, you'll get another Android.

I love the new androids too, although I kinda wish they still had boost.
With a 75% damage reduction, 500+ PV, Shield Tonfa, and the Barrier AP Trait, mine's an absolute beast. Perfect with the Winchester Premium/Arbalest as shotguns do more damage the closer you are to the enemy, making her into some sort of gunner tank.

>>13335508
Can't forget Wings of Vesda for additional missile attacks

>>13335508
I'll try that, thanks. I gave mine the Rail Gun and it shreds pretty much everything.

>>13334981
Do some ragnaroks in the second last level of Lesmia or what the main story was called. You'll get slow pots a lot.

>>13335075
Oh, thank you

>>13335115
Boom.

>>13334882
Tell me your secrets.

I'm mainly a solo player and despite this being my second attempt at this game I still can't seem to find success in keeping my pets on par with my character. I'm a total noob as far as pet management goes but I'm doing fine as a solo player. I started my character in the hopes that me and my little girl would always adventure together but around the time I got my castle my power far surpassed the power of my pet.

What should I do to help my Valk match my stats, skills, and just relative power? What would be a good training regimen/things to do list to accomplish this? Also, how do spells work with pets? Do they level up as well?

>>13336495
>What should I do to help my Valk match my stats, skills, and just relative power?
Make sure they have pickpocket, and let them get all the kills. If they're noticeably weaker than you and you have Knockout, run around in a dungeon just slapping all the bitches and letting her kill them for money. That should pretty quickly get her potentials maxed out every time you hit a town. Then it's just grindan.

>Also, how do spells work with pets? Do they level up as well?
Pets cast spells with a flat 95% success rate, and a spell level equal to their casting skill. So all that +casting gear that's useless to you is a godsend to a pet mage.

>>13336545
Thank you. I'll look into gene engineering pick pocket into my pets then. Looks like that will solve the potential problem for my pets.

Would feeding pets herbed food help any in their stat development? It certainly has for my character so I was wondering if pets get the same treatment. Also, how about skills. Should I use doujou to train my pet's skills or will the money pickpocketed be enough for the pets to train both their skills and stat potentials?

>>13336668
Herbs and herbed food typically lead to even crazier stat gains for pets than they do for you.

Are cursed blankets safe to rely on, or do they have a fail rate ?

>>13334981
Really? Going into low-level dungeons always makes me return with like 30 dyes, slows, sleeping etc.

>>13335285
I use the Kumiromi Scythe, but that's probably not the best choice.

>>13336545
>and a spell level equal to their casting skill.

Yes and no. NPCs (including pets) use Casting in place of spell levels, but the formula used to calculate spell power isn't the same.

For the PC, the spellpower calculation is EffectiveSpellLevel * 10 + 50, whereas for NPCs, it's Casting * 6 + 10.

When I'm trying to enter the Mage's guild area without being a member with incognito, the alarm still rings and the guards are aggressive towards me. What am I doing wrong? Do I have to have been a member previously for it to work? My karma is 14 currently, if that matters.

>>13337769
And yes, I am casting Incognito spell _before_ entering.

>>13337769
You need t cast incognito while inside.
But the guildmaster will still hunt your ass.
And if you save and load inside, you'll have to cast it again.

>>13337769
Try using Incognito only after descending the stairs, or once again once you're inside. But keep in mind the guild master will still be hostile.

>>13337417
Cool. I'll be sure to feed my pets the herb food I've been eating as well Thank you.

>>13337776
>>13337780
O-ok. It works now.

>>13337497
I believe they have a higher chance of losing charges, but they won't fail to protect.

Also note that if you have high fire/ice resistance, you're very unlikely to lose any charges at all.

>>13338508
Yeah, got no cold resistance whatsoever.
I'm going through those blankets relatively fast.

Do items in pets' inventories get destroyed by fire or cold damage? If so, do the blankets prevent it?

>>13338568
Yes and yes.

>>13335345
With a Shotgun you need to get up close for that 4d25+27 to work.
I prefer to stay at 4-6 cells away and let my tanks keep it that way.

>>13338638
zero shoot, baby. think of it as a close-combat weapon that always crits. out of stamina? teleport away and suck your pet's blood.

>>13336495

Why is your total AP gain so low but you have that high speed? Did you ranch quicklings instead?

>>13338951
The majority of my speed came from blessed Hermes Blood. There was a long period of time where I spent all the gold medals I stashed up on them due to my goal of beating Frisia. I figured one way to do this was to get my speed around her level so that's what I set out to do. The feat Kokou and random potions of upper speed have also helped in this endeavor. I no longer am actively raising my speed though and am now using all my medals on scrolls of growth.

I personally don't feel like my AP grain is slow at all. I've already spent 4000 points on various abilities and I have another 2000 to spend(Think this is the cap amount you can get before you have to go on a spending spree). Not sure what I can get though. I already have everything I want and I haven't reached Irva yet to...lol...add more speed using AP. Anyhow, maybe the reason why I don't feel like it's slow is because I'm doing dungeons lv 150 - 200 ? Almost all the enemies in these dungeons give me AP gains.

>>13339013
My bad. I can't raise my speed anymore with AP it seems. After 800 speed you can't raise it anymore with AP. Oh well. Don't really think I have anything to spend my points on now.

>>13339110
buy 100 skillpoints for 1500 AP.

It seems like a bad deal until you realize you can farm the Void with Meteor.

>>13339147
Good call. I'll probably do that then. Thanks anon.

>>13339147
Neat, but how do you get that much Meteor? Sleep a whole lot?

>>13339251
Invest in magic vendors and buy every scrolls of wonders you can get.
When you got a 500 or so stack, bless it, read it and enjoy having your spellbook cluttered with shit you don't want to use and despair to get rid of. Oh, and meteor too. And wish, if that's your thing ( and why wouldn't it be ).

>>13339263
What should I wish for if I have more wishes than I need?

>>13339282
Personally i waste them on scrolls of gain attribute ( for artifact fusion ) and flying ( because light armour best armour ).
Everything else can be obtained consistently enough in others ways.

That's not an answer though, you could dump them on levelling a skill like swimming. I dunno, wishes are kinda underwhelming tbh

I noticed that the god pets have 150 mana, which I suppose would give them a whole crapton of MP. Is it a good idea to train my android to be a magic user rather than a gunner? Is using magic as effective for pets as it is for the player?

>>13336668
Doujou currently isn't that amazing, so just use it as a temporary holding spot for pets if you need it.

The amount of money needed for a pet to train themselves depends on the starting level you got them at, so a pet you had since the beginning will be able to train on pennies the entire game.
Hence, giving her pickpocket will soon lead to maxed potentials in skills and attributes, making training a breeze.

If you want to speed things up, put a lot of money in a kittybank, throw it, and have your little girl pick up all the money. She'll max her potentials for sure next time you are in town.

Herbed food given to pets, with good potentials, will give stat gains in every attribute, including speed. Sometimes even multiple points in one attribute.

>>13339518
Without direct control over pet AI, it seems a bleak prospect.

>>13339518
I'd heavily recommend against that.
Magic using pets are somewhat underpowered when every enemy has crazy resistances.

You also can't change her class, so gunner will give her no bonuses to casting.

If you are going to train a magic pet, then start with a pet built for it, like the Exile

>>13339518
I'd also like to mention that the high mana/mp of godpets make them excellent recipients for the Barrier AP trait

>>13339590
I actually already gave my android tactical heal to make it even more bulkier. Would Barrier help even more on top of that when the MP is being used for healing?

>>13339637
Pet healing isn't all too great, but not bad to have.
I don't think you will ever have to worry about a pet running out of MP as a problem, and it won't use up the last 1/3 of MP which should always be enough for it to use heal. So it should help more on top of that, but actual health loss will be minimal.

>>13339664
Sounds great, I guess I'll be going for that next then. Could also probably give it Provoke too so that it can be the ultimate tank.

>>13339534
Thanks for the advice anon.

How much speed do blade kings have now that they are a part of the behicle race?

I want to make a minmaxed spellcaster. I know magic dart and crystal spear are my main offensive spells, but what else should I be doing? Golem race for no dim? Been forever since I played.

>>13343174

Get Nightmare/Elemental Scar if you go pure magic or specialize on an element.

Silence/slow/frailness for obvious reasons.

>>13343186
Last time I played a spellcaster I went magic dart for single target/lightning bolt, or whatever the lightning element line cast is called. Elemental scar was useful for increasing the lightning damage but I thought there wasn't a resistance for pure magic like dart?

General builds are also welcome. I've sunk probably 2000 hours into the game over various playthroughs but I'm still not very good at it since I never really looked into builds or what's popular past the a few wiki searches.

Are putitoros(and the other two similar foods) worth eating over herbs when at superb potential? Or is the gain buff useless unless you plan to actively train the stat after eating? Mostly wanting to min/max my eating without vomiting to eat more.

>>13343212
Assuming you have the herbs for it and can stay at superb potential, herbed herbs are the ideal food. If you don't have enough herbs to herb your herbs, or if your potentials are low, statgain+ foods are a good alternative.

>>13343174
Personally, i specialise in fire bolt and ball, with a magatama in my inventory.
Fun, and even fire dragons go down quick enough just with the bolt.

Obviously not minmaxing though, more of a roleplay thing.
Lightning bolt, with element scar, itzpalt feat and wet status from potion outdamage any spell.

>>13343274
What's a magatama? Just read the pastebin and it says that'll give me wet status as long as I'm holding it, but where can I get it?

So you're saying the spell build I picked just through sheer chance was actually the minmaxed one? Well neat. Guess I'm making a near clone of my old character.
I'm thinking fairy or golem. I was a fairy last time and it worked great, but dim was a big annoyance. If I'm golem I'll need to ride though and I imagine mana will be a problem. I'll also lose those resistances and since I can't wear heavy armor anyway the sturdyness will be wasted later on.

>>13343203
for minmaxing, you want Magic Storm and Meteor. These ramp up the best lategame.

Debuff: slow (most important) and silence (only useful rarely). the other debuffs don't matter much.

buffs: all buffs are good. put them all on at once before facing a big boss.

other: wall creation, cure of jure, healing rain, mist of darkness, dominate, holy light, resurrection (useful for getting free karma), wish.

best spell for training casting: Oracle.

>>13343299
Much appreciated. Magic storm is a ball spell right? I thought you couldn't reserve books for meteor either?

>>13343287
Magaqua give the wet status, magatama protects stuff you burn from turning to dust, enabling worry-free firebolt spamming.

Dim immunity can be approximated with high sound resistance.

For mana, high magic capacity could do the trick, but sometimes you really don't want or just plain can't rely on it.

>>13343309
Sound resistance fixes dim? I didn't know that, thank you. I've never really tried training magic capacity too much, don't like the idea of that sort of risk.

>>13343304
magic storm affects everything within 3 squares.

you get meteor from investing in six magic shops at your home and buying up every scroll of wonder you get.

oh, forgot to mention summon spirit. you get a dominatable spirit that scales to spell level.

>>13343319
I remember back when I first played I had a gun spirit that I put a lot of work into strengthening. She still wasn't too strong compared to other options. Are spirits actually pretty good or is it mostly a convenience thing if you want something temporary?

The 20% speed boost if you're alone feat they added is tempting. Glad they're still updating.

>>13343322
Spirits are pretty poor for their level.
It's easy to get a level 2000+ spirit under your control.
A pretty poor level 2000+ monster will completely destroy anything you point it at short of an inner god.

>>13343322
they changed the spell. now the spirits level up when the spell power increases. I have a level 1800 magic spirit with 2000 on all stats, so yeah.

>>13343326
>>13343327
You'd need silly high magic device for that though, wouldn't you?

Since fairies can equip only light weapons, is it better to go dual wield or weapon/shield? Or is two hand viable despite the light penalty?

>>13343329
You'd use the Dominate spell. Summon spirits, dominate spirits, dispose of spirits, repeat from top until summoned spirits are good enough.

>>13343334
Two-hand won't give much bonus, but won't cut cast chances either. DW is classic fairy tactics, but shield gives much needed durability.

>>13343299
Is magic storm really that good? The wiki says the formula is (1+Magic/25)d6 which would be only like 21d6 even at 500 magic.

>>13343345
Oh right, I always forget about the dominate spell. Can you reserve that one or is it scroll of wonder farming time?

>>13343334
>>13343345
You can also use two claws, no spellcast penalty.
Weapon/claw give no penalty either, but won't use the two-hand skill.

>bring a gene machine with me on my adventure
>can use it anytime to see the HP of my pets no matter where they are

cool, now if only I could see their MP too

>>13343345
considering Dominate Spirit caps out at 6666, it'd be good to train up Magic Device as well. With the Dominate spell even when it's capped out it can't reach that high, but it's doable with Magic Device since you can up it above 2k with equipment bonuses.

>>13343354
that's outdated info. see this:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells_%28Elona%2B%29/Technical

>>13343354
Magic Storm is really good. I don't have it leveled up as high as my other spells but I know it will be a beast when it catches up. The wiki is a nice source of information but there are some parts that need updating. My magic, storm as shown in the stat picture of my character I provided in my post >>13336495 , isn't stuck with a d6.

I've been trying to get a last shopkeeper of magic store for a total of 1 blackmarket, 1 maid, and the rest of magic stores, but I found a second blackmarket vendor. Should I go for the second blackmarket, or should I hold out for the magic store?

>>13343515
Do not underestimate the value of potentially unlimited amounts of blessed potions of restore body/mind.

>>13343538
I should definitely look into them. I didn't know that blessed restore potions could boost stats. Thank you for bringing it up. I keep learning new things about the game and my to do list keeps growing because of it.

>poison-immune gold bell boss
Even with this shuriken i found on the ground and element scar regen stopping, this is taking forever.
Next time i'll leave it alone.

After many hours, I've developed anorexia, and boy is it a pain in the ass. What are the best ways of dealing with it?

>>13343899
go to Noyel. rest and sleep. eat snow when hungry, it won't make you throw up since it's technically a potion. wait for it to wear off eventually.

I am coming back to this after a super long time so I have a few questions:

1) Is it worth updating from 1.39?

2) Why the fuck is that fire place (story quest dungeon) that damages you every step so hard? is there a trick to it?

3) what does the "#" next to skill level in the menu mean? I.e

Meditation 35.496 (44%) #
4) any tips for a newbie?

level 32 Jure Warmage
str 45
con 56
dex 43
per 50
ler 51
wil 57
mag 45
chr 37
22582 fame
93 speed
436 hp
361 mana

melee 4d6+27 x5.1 (156% hit)
dist 7d6+21 x 2.8 (102% hit)
prot 55% + 3d11 (137% evade)

leveling skils equally but currently:
tactics 28
two hand 25
heavy armor 32
med armor 29
evasion 24
sense quality 27
marksman 18

Literacy 34
Memorization 16
Faith 30
Meditation 35
Casting 28
Control magic 5
negotiation 38
perfomer 16
traveling 16

fire resist: strong ##

>>13343984
1: Yes.
2: Get Superb fire resistance. Strong won't cut it.
3: That skill is being boosted (or penalized) by some source. Likely your god or your equipment. The effective value is above the displayed value.
4: You should choose between heavy armor and medium armor pretty soon, as splitting your focus like that will lead to having a lower PV no matter what you're wearing.
Your speed seems pretty poor, you should consider picking up riding and getting a good horse. A 4.0-4.3 weight weapon suffers near zero riding penalty, so you can keep two-handing while mounted if you find a weapon with a good weight.

>playing this trash instead of KanColle
>2015

I'm surprised these shitty ass threads are still lingering around. This garbage is even worse than 2hu. Like, RPGMaker 2000 Sonic fanfiction game tier.

>>13344097

>>13344097
Are you referring to that KanColle strategy game? If you are that game is boring as fuck. Sad cause I think there are so many other good strategy games. I don't understand the 2hu fandom either but KanColle fucks are just as annoying. But hey, opinions right?

>>13343984
Get the gloves of vesda from the dragon's nest, it's an easy way to have enough fire resist that you won't even notice the auto-damage in the tower of fire.

>>13344097

Don't worry your Kancer Collection isn't even a game

>>13344097
Go play your call of doodys and farmville fag.

>>13344348
damn, that sombitch ruined me.

Went in thinking he was level 25, found out the hard way he is 40 in +.

>>13344533
I found that, by the time you get strong enough to tackle vesda, the fire dungeon will be pretty much a breeze. I just went on a bunch of random dungeons, got 2 or 3 pieces of ###+ fire resistance equipment from the chests, and was all set. The dungeon is really easy with fire resistance, since it means that a lot of the monsters' attacks will just bounce off of you.

>>13344580
What about the bosses?

I brought a platina bell with the bow of vinderre and he wrecked Quruiza while I played lich with Corgon using magic dart and teleport.

>>13343363
Are you using a stethoscope?

>>13344659
yeah, but it only shows hp, doesn't it? and only if you can see the pet

>>13344665
Yep, I just never gene engineered just for HP and my pets are leashed near me so I can essentially always see them.

I do it to check on AP though

I noticed that in some screenshots, the game prints out the damage that you dealt. How do I get this? Is it granted by an artifact like the super lure?

>>13344907
In the options.

Could I reliably survive Meteor with enough fire and magic resistance? If so, could it be a good idea to get a cthugha as my pet and have it wipe out everything with meteor?

What's the key to track a skill's level/potential on the screen again?

Also what are some similar keys I might not know about?

>>13345309
*, it's indicated topscreen.
In fact, any key that you might not know about should be there, at the appropriate screen.
For example, while e'x'amining items you can * them to nodrop status, which is handy.

My laptop doesn't have the star key that allows targeting, can I remap this somehow? I'm a wizard so it's a bit important.

>>13346018
I thought the 'l' key(lower case L) was the targeting button? Anyhow, if you need to remap keys you can always edit the config text file in your Elona folder.

>>13345044
gene engineer control magic to your pet, although it will be a torture to train it high enough

>>13346761
Oh I guess they both are. Thanks anon, you really helped me out.

I'm a fairy wizard, what should my default attack spell be? I'm thinking just magic dart/line because of low resistances but I'm not really educated.

>>13347476
Start with Magic Dart, transition to Crystal Spear when you can, then focus on Magic Storm as soon as that becomes doable.

>>13347563
So pure magic element then? Sounds good. Will I still need elemental scar?

I've just had two monsters join me permanently as allies. They popped up a dialog asking if they can join me. One happened off-screen, so I don't know the cause, the other was the dungeon boss, which joined after I killed him.

Was this added in one of the latest versions or was it in all along? What makes it happen?

>>13347568
You might want it available because it shuts down passive regeneration, which is absolutely priceless against bells, but it won't increase your damage output.

>>13347574
It's a E+ thing that's been around for a while. Certain semi-unique enemies will offer to join when they die.

>>13347592
Sounds good, thanks. Almost in the mages guild, just 10 more points and I can stop desperately clinging to each stock. I forgot how rough starting out as a mage could be.

>>13347592
Huh. I've been playing for months and never had it happen, I guess I just have shitty luck. Thanks for the info.

>>13347632
A couple of dungeon runs usually nets me more books of all kinds than I could use. Unless you rely on stores, spell stocks shouldn't be too much of a problem.

How do I bring up the tilesets while designing my shop? I know you have access to all the tiles you have in your house but they aren't showing up this time around.

Good early pets? I'd prefer something I can keep for awhile too. Little girl isn't pulling her weight anymore.

>>13347835
Have you been letting her train potential?

>>13347884
Not really, I didn't plan on keeping her for too long so I didn't really help her out much, let her drink from fountains too. I'll probably just get a bell or two.

>>13347895
No pet will be useful for long without having money to spend.

>>13347918
Well of course, just that I didn't plan on keeping the little girl too long so I didn't bother. Any pet I like more I'll devote resources to.

>>13347835
Convert to Mani if you can, his android pet is beastly and you can get favor with him pretty easily by hitting up the cyber dome every once in a while for guns.

>>13347692
You're playing E+, right? Read the fucking instructions it displays when you hit "design".

If you're playing base Elona then I don't remember (if it's even possible), that was years ago man.

>>13347835
Defender is pretty convenient for the auto-revive.

Why do I always pick fairy? It's always the same thing, you're doing perfectly fine, no signs of trouble, then boop one shooted with nothing you could have done.

I'm so salty

>>13348958
At least it hammers into you to always be cautious with your resources.
Useful when you shift to a less fragile race.

It took me a month, but I've resolved my anorexia. I also gained 2 levels and about 10 magic+5 will while spellcasting and waiting for my stamina to rise. If I didn't have Kumiromi's stamina recovery, I have a feeling I'd have been totally ruined.

And the best part? Quaffing snow trains both magic device and alchemy, so I gained 10+ levels of those.

>>13348988
I really only have 1 health to be cautious with. I'm too early in the game to have contingency or other things, so it's just a gamble.

>>13349447
get a ton of tough pets that can draw some fire away from you; god pets and bells in particular are really nice

>>13349447
Never be in range of anything that can hit you. You should outspeed anything you encounter so it's not like a Rock Thrower could go in and get a hit in before you can do anything about it. Plan your pathing around the exits and terrain, rely exclusively on pets to deal damage for the first several levels. I'm sure a lot of the deaths you've been suffering could have been prevented if you were paying attention.

>>13349525
I should probably invest in some new pets. I usually wait till higher levels to get anything of substance since I want to be able to raise them properly and want something permanent. What are some easy ways to get a rod of dominate or monster balls early on? I'll just use bells for a bit.

>>13349561
I am impatient with movement and need to stop holding the button down, but I'm more talking about mid combat "Dodge, dodge, dodge, dodge, one shot"

>>13349589
If you're taking THAT much damage in a single attack, you're in way over your head and what the fuck are you doing. Fairies aren't so fragile that they should be getting one-shotted regularly.

>>13349608
I guess I need to upgrade my armor then. I thought I was pretty ok for what I was doing. I'll work on it.

>>13349589
if you haven't done the gene machine quest, you could get the balls and snag a few bells with them in the puppy cave; you'll have to make it up later if you want to do gene engineering, though.

>>13349589
If you're being attacked that frequently then you're more or less asking to be killed. You should know which enemies hit hard enough to take you down in a hit and play accordingly. Don't go messing around in melee range against someone who probably has a two handed weapon. That's not a situation where there's "nothing you could have done".

Are you doing everything you can to boost your Constitution? Do you drink a blessed Restore Body and Restore Spirit potion every time you revive? Do you look for Claws made of a light enough material for a fairy to use? Do you have a cloth or paper Claymore? Constitution has a huge impact on your HP pool early on.

>>13349589
If you have a modest amount of gold maybe you can get some pets/helpers through the slave trader in Derphy. This should help you out until you're either strong enough to adventure by yourself or have the means to get stronger pets.

>>13349643
At the point in the game where bells are useful slaves it's pretty much impossible to monsterball them due to the HP requirement.

>>13349589
Get some small medals and go to miral and garok's workshop for easy rods of domination.

>>13349921
HP requirement? Are you talking about bringing their HP down to almost nothing? You can't guarantee a capture, but you can throw a poison and pray that they're critically wounded on your turn and that your monster ball hits, which can be done pretty much at the start of the game. Otherwise, if they die, then hey, you're a bit richer.

>>13349966
>throw a poison
At early-game speeds it always kills them before the player's next turn. I didn't start seeing them still alive on my next turn until I had speed over 200. Even then, you're relying on the minute chance that it lands them at that sliver of HP remaining and that your monsterball hits them at whatever range they're at. I stand by what I said before: by the time that works out for you, you won't need the bell anymore.

If you want a bell just get a rod of domination, they're basically free.

>>13349665
Melee and casters never give me trouble. It's always the gunners.

I drink blessed restores. Do claws not cause spell failure chance?

>>13349772
I never like using the slave trader. Just feels impersonal I guess. I want my pets to have personality, if that makes sense.

>>13349921
Oh right, I knew there was a way to reliably get them, just couldn't remember. Thanks anon.

I've got my small castle, so who should I be hiring as a shopkeeper in addition to my maid? Is the best policy just to have all magic vendors in hopes of beneficial potions/books, or is there a wiser strategy?

>>13350586
Some people like black market vendors, I like girls, but getting nothing save magic vendors is certainly a legitimate strategy.

>>13350597
Could take a while to fill it if the rng hate you though. Like me.

>>13350432
Claws do not impose a penalty on casting. Do you use spells that inflict status effects on your enemies? It's generally worthwhile to throw a Dark/Nerve Eye or some kind of poison at any particularly threatening enemy types to almost completely disable them provided that they aren't very resistant to it.

>>13347932

Just get the highest level pet that you can get and replace it everytime you get another 10 levels. Suits you quite well

I'm level 34 and I have no idea how pets work

Do I give them gold so they automatically train their skills?

Do I splice desirable traits from one pet to another using the gene machine? Is there a list of better pets to splice from?

I've played most of the game with a perma dead golden knight and I just don't know how to get the godly OP pets you smart people have.

>>13351881
There's two ways to petdom.
The first is to get one that is weak ( low INI, as in low starting stats and life/mana ) so that its potential get to 400% and stay there forever.
The second is dominating pet around your level each time the precedent begin to be weak.

Pet train potential by using gold they have in town.
They get gold in three ways : grabbing it from the ground, by selling ore they grabbed/you gave them in town and then using the gold, or by using the pickpocket skill to grab gold from eack of their kills and then spending said gold in town.
Letting your pet grab the dungeon reward from killing a boss is a popular way is giving them monies, as is breaking a kitty bank you previously dumped gold into.
Pickpocket is superior though, splice it into them as soon as possible.

Pets can be resurrected by speaking to a bartender in pubs. The guy in white or the maid.
Also the spell, but you're not there yet.

>>13351927
Speaking of INI, is that still fucked and requires fixing in Elosnack to get it working properly? My AP gain is abysmal.

>>13351937
yes. I still dont know if I changed mine right but i'm just hoping i'm close enough

>>13351881
Pets don't train their skills with gold. They train skills with usage. Pets spend gold when you visit towns to improve their potentials. If you never let your pets fight, giving them gold isn't going to help much. It shouldn't take much to get a pet strong enough to pull its weight at your level. Just give it some good gear, a strong weapon and try to let it score some kills every so often. If you want to speed that process up, let them pick up expensive ores or quest/dungeon reward money or throw a Kitty Bank at them. All of your pets should have Pickpocketing so they get gold passively by killing things and one of them should have Cooking.

>>13351989
>>13351927
Thank you

If only all threads were as pleasant as Elona general

>>13351937
I made my character in the current version and its working fine as far as i can tell.
But i started with the lowest stats i could on purpose just for that so probably not good data point...

Does the INI of a pet change after evolution?
I'm fixing the stat of an old save file with elosnack and I want to know if I need to use the base value or, for example. count the +50 life the cat princess get after evolution.

I thought you could put a Philosopher's Stone Mask at an enemy, rename its race to "Snail" and kill it in 2 hits. Fucking hell my brilliant autistic idea is ruined

woooh.

Miss vampire or witch?

>>13351927
Different anon here looking to keep some pets more permanently.
What is INI? So could I just catch a yeek and train it to be a killing machine with the same effect as eventually catching something higher level?

Should I just grind little sisters to get a bunch of kumi statues and feed them endless herbs?

Which healing spell should I grind up? Should I just change every time I get access to a new one or can I stick with one?

>>13353275
>Should I just change every time I get access to a new one
Yes, unless you're using loads of pets, in which case you should grind both the best heal you have AND healing rain.

>>13353303
Alright thanks. Any other spells I should grind up? Holy shield and feather look nice.

>>13353308
All the buff spells, slow, mist of silence.

>>13352425
what font ?

So I want to raise one of the potion throwing pumpkins. I know you can evolve them and make them throw pretty potent stuff, but I still feel like they might be a bit lacking after awhile.

How can I raise it so that it won't be a burden later into the game? Since I just want it to throw potions I guess stats that don't give it health won't matter. So should I just gene in burly pets and give it lots of gold to raise its throw potential?

How do I increase potential on spell levels?

>>13353578
sleep

>>13353336
Meiryo Ui

Has a few spacing issues around names sometimes but it works wonderfully otherwise.

>>13353400
Probably speed so it can chuck potions at everything that moves. I think the potion throwing lady might be more useful because of her evolutions