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>>13161547
>advocating cheating

>>13161572
Wot?

>>13161618
i don't think even he knows why he wrote that

>>13161547
Reroll your metal wings with a sup material scroll you fags.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Wing_of_Vesda
It's time for : It provides an interlocking shooting mechanism. [#####]

>>13162074
Oooh
What does this do?

>>13162131
Not a clue. Supposedly a chance for a super shot as an extra attack or something when it procs.

>>13162131
>>13162201
Every so often, it follows up a standard attack with a shot from the metal wing, which for me is hitting for ~21k damage compared to my normal attacks hitting for ~2.8k damage.

>>13161618
You stop dying by playing the game and learning what to do, not by being told what everything is. It's especially bad in a game like this.

>>13162525
I wish you could tell that to The evening Wolf... He got squashed again... twice... by the same red treasure ball machine...

because of its niche (animu+roguelike) it's going to attract a particular set of crowd. Types that have had no experience with roguelikes in general and don't even know what a "tileset" is.

It has an obvious learning curve, but for people like me who came from playing ToME and shit, it's a welcomed change, and I easily picked it up

It's more of a learning curve to the entire genre itself than just elona.

Why are some of my stats normal, even though my status is normal, I dont have any curses, mutations or corruptions and none of equipment lowers them (I tried dropping all equipment).

Why are some of my attributes red in the lower portion of the screen, even though my status is normal, I dont have any curses, mutations or corruptions and none of equipment lowers them (I tried dropping all equipment).

EDIT:
Message actually makes sense now.

>>13163872
It took me a while to figure this out but drink potions of restore body/spirit and your stats should return to normal.

>>13163884
Unless you're specifically stockpiling them you should drink all your uncursed, non-sulfur/molotov potions in order to train alchemy.

What are the best things to breed on a ranch? I've just been doing putits mostly to farm charisma and eggs for picnic baskets, are there any creatures that really stand out as great things to ranch?

>>13163884
That worked, thanks.

>>13163349
I'm into roguelikes and I got into Elona because it's a roguelike.

Elona is obtuse as fuck and nothing makes sense unless you alt-tab back and forth with the wiki. The learning curve is actually easy. It's just full of trivia things like "pick axe" having no relationship to mining whatsoever.

Finally remembered to update the alt monster girl spritesheet for 1.42.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/95trhuo9q1lbqup/character.bmp

Made a few replacements. Quiriza or whatever her name is, mermaid, and Seiryuu with PAD Seiryuu. Is a Seiryuu monster even in the game yet actually?

>>13164847
Yes.

>>13163951
Rabbits for a chance of a rabbit tail (1+ luck). Potentially trolls and mandrakes for meat buns and mandrake salad. The other missing food augmenter is putits which you got and panties which you can craft. Other good mentions is metamorphose (energy crystal of matrix) and cupids (happy bed). Not sure about bards though (Stradivarius).

Things I can confirm won't work is stray cats (it only makes cats), town child (old villager), Big Daddies (shades), Shades (it breeds whatever it permanently mimics).

One thing I can currently researching is breeding winged snail which produces pure shades which hasn't changed yet.

>>13165330
don't breed rabbits, the tails are very rare and there are much better ways of raising luck

>>13165330
What good is there in breeding shades?

>>13165506
Shades tend to mimic a wide variety of enemies which might be rare as well but I have no idea on how to figure what the shade in pens are imitating, nor do I figured how to exploit this yet.

Note that shades imitating breeding restricted enemies will produce the alternative enemy (ie, shades imitating stray cats producing regular cats) so that can't be bypassed sadly.

I think I found Elishe's room...
:a what a fucke?!

The last time I played was October 2013. Seems a lot of new stuff was added.

tfw leftover muskmelon grand parfaits rot because the rank 100-150 vendors in Palmia had no more gold.

>>13166416
You don't have a cooler and/or 4 dimension pocket spell?

>>13166435
I do, I just didn't care.

For some reason I can't capture a putit with a level 5 monster ball. I get it's health down to 1 hp with poison, but it still says I need to weaken it. I can't do that without killing it completely, what the fuck.

>Fighting Ultima in the void, floor 80.

>>13166558
Same thing happened to me.
My best guess is that it just has too little HP to bring it under a certain percentage for the ball to work. You just have to wait till you get enough casting/literacy for the dominate spell. Joining the mage's guild for an unlimited supply of dominate books after you succesfully read your first is a plus .
It feels like a waste to use a dominate rod when they are so rare.

>>13166558
Health needs to be lower. I caught a bunch of mons for the ambitious sci quest earlier today.

>>13166416
>>13166452
Can always store 15 in a freezer at your home!

>>13166558
Knockout is a "wasted" feat but it sure is convenient when you want to use monster balls.

>>13167039
also useful for farming ap on pets and ether diseases on the ether porcupines

What's the ratio of player level to target level I need to successfully dominate a creature? These yerles conbat planes resist no matter what I do.

Anyone tried to stripmine higher level towers and forts? I wonder how much medals you can grab from the safes.

Also I wish we could mine some redstone. I want something to auto-bash my stolen fruit trees on my farms.

>>13167138
you need a quest reward item from mia...some sort of heart, if the enemy mob is a higher level than you. otherwise you cant dominate them.

on the other hand, if theyre a lower level than you then you might just have bad luck, the rods are kinda hit and miss. i think magic device helps the success rate, but i dont know by how much

Whats the best way to grind luck?

Rabbit breeding? or Mining forest tiles for clovers?

Nonstop until you delete >>13161001 Jangolins!

>>13168015
Doing both and asking for Happy Apples from the scientist at the cyberdome. Forrest are way faster than a bunny ranch. Hell even the random rabbits from harvest quests are more numerous!

>>13168164
nice, thanks. I hate to waste a ranch on bunnies, time to go a huntin'

Do artifact fusion items like Glia crystal stack? Like if I made 5 Glia crystals would they stack the fire resist #### effect?

I just got this from a 500 yen machine

Thoughts? Is this better than the Winchester Premium? If so thank goodness I did Luwly and Ehekatl

>>13168816
It is indeed better than the Winchester Premium.
Congratulations.

Is there an item or something that keeps you from being able to get tired?

I havent slept in weeks and havent even gotten tired but I dont drink coffee

Always was unsure of what to use for the dual wield build, and I'd rather not lose speed (Even if it is 5%) for three hands, so which of these three should I use?

I'm around level 30 and I have a bunch of pets that I've been leveling up that have very bad potential across the board on their stat pages (using doujou/insight lens)

What is a good way to get those up to Good or Superb? I've been leaving them at the doujou for a while and spent already over a mil on "Special train allys" with 0 effect on their stat potentials. screenshot related

Is the doujou bugged? They havent gained any levels or potential gains

Should I just spam pickpocket kitty banks and let them train themselves? Shits weird.

>>13169354

>>13169339
The swords, so you're only using one weapon skill.

>>13169354
Gene engineer pickpocket onto them, and spam picnic baskets.

>>13169354
Doujyou is, IIRC, a terrible place to train pets at. I personally throw kitty banks at mine to do it, since being at speed 10 via Burden! + VERY Tired gets the process done instantly. A little costly, but it's a fast way to get things done.

>>13169361
Nice I'll try that.

>>13169380
Great, I have a few banks I've saved up in storage I can use for this.

Also, for my platina bell pet should I give it Luwly's Wind bow? or keep him on machine gun / repeater bow? Will he be negatively effected by the Ether properties of the bow?

generally, what's a good pet type to give that wind bow to?

>>13169394
Ah, my bad, I thought you meant skill (As in Medium Armor, fishing, etc) potential.
For stat potential, the fastest way is just to bless potions of potential and 'G'ive it to your pets.
As for the bell pet, it depends. If you want it to be the solo killing machine, feel free to overload its speed with the Wind Bow. If not, just simply give the bell a good machine gun/repeater if you want to use it or for some reason, another pet would benefit more from it. And I do believe that ether does not effect pets, as I have had an ether pope robe on my fox brother for at least an in-game year with no negative effects, as far as I have noticed.

>>13169423
awesome, thanks.

>>13168816
You have gotten the one of the most sought after enchantments in the game on a good weapon type, congrats.

It is however lacking in terms of other enchantments. That does make it actually a pretty good base for jewel tear enchantment, but that's real end game stuff you're still probably hundreds of hours away from if you're even asking about stuff here.

>>13163951
little sister

>>13165330
breeding panties?

Cooking every corpse I find is making me ridiculously rich.
I made something like 5 million gold in 2 real time days and I'm not even that highlevel

>>13170380
Cooking is THE money maker skill. If you can provide raw materials for it you'll end up swimming in dosh in no time.

>>13170911
This. Supplementing cooking with anatomy and gardening will have you set for a while.

>>13170124
No, crafting panties. Although breeding would sound funny as hell if not that it would potentially fit in the environment of Elona.

>>13170117
Doesn't attempting to breed little sisters results in younger sisters?

let's talk about Younger Sisters, and by extension, the Roran race.

Younger Sisters are born (spawned?) fully formed, with outward appearance of a 12-year-old, when certain magic items are used ("Diaries"). They come fully clothed, and with a set of fake memories - they regard the activator of said item as their non-blood-related brother/sister, loves and trusts them unconditionally - so much so that, with some coaxing, they make willing suicide bombers (c.f. Elona Shooter). Unopened Diaries are, therefore, in great demand by slave traffickers as well as Yerles labs, where they are ideal donors for organ transplants and subjects for various experiments.

>>13171118
They are angels left in Irva when the hikki God Eyth receded from the world.

>>13171118
It is likely that Rorans are the results of genetic experimentation in a previous Era. Evidence follows:

As a member of the Roran race, Younger Sisters are naturally attractive. Perhaps 'naturally' is is the wrong word - their facial features and natural body mannerisms have a significant, measurable superstimulus effect on human subjects, eliciting feelings of protectiveness and warmth, much more than female human children of the same age.

All Younger Sisters have the same facial features, build, hair and eye color. Individual specimens have combined variance of less than 0.5% when freshly spawned. Subsequent living conditions and experiences will lead to variations, but surprisingly little even then.

Younger Sisters are biologically very similar to humans, to the point where organ transplants are possible. Their blood type is always the same as the person opening their Diary, and it is theorized that this was one of the primary motivations for the development of this race.

>>13171166
>Younger Sisters are biologically very similar to humans, to the point where organ transplants are possible.
What the fuck am I reading
I'll make sure to never play that game

>>13171166
Little Sisters come with an eclectic selection of skills at spawn, of varying usefulness.

- they can sing with reasonable proficiency.
- they can cook (not well, except for a knack for making chocolates).
- they seem naturally proficient with most weapons. small knives are preferred (due to their size and build), though they can be surprisingly proficient with firearms even with little training.
- as mentioned before, they cause superstimulus reactions of protectiveness and warmth. Even more usefully, even monsters are affected to a lesser degree, enough to cause momentary hesitation (against well-equipped Rorans, this is often fatal).

>>13171118
Bless those Roran younger sisters. I got to make sure I rub mine today.

Actually, what do I do with millions and millions of gold?
First time playing Elona+

>>13171204
Breeding of Younger Sisters is not only successful, it is a major component of the local economy in North and South Tyris. Quirks in Roran biology means they can become 'pregnant' with almost any partner imaginable, male of female, human or non.

Technically, 'pregnant' is not the right term, as the baby takes no genetic material from the 'father'. Instead, when Rorans reach sexual climax, they have a small chance (similar to pregnancy chance for humans) of conceiving, using an almost-exact copy of their own DNA.

The children of Younger Sisters are invariably female. Strangely enough, they are not themselves Younger Sisters, but a related Roran specimen known colloquially as Little Girls. Primary differences are hair and eye color (blonde hair and blue eyes vs green hair with brown eyes), and a small variance (~5%) in facial features.

Little Girl babies exit the uterus at comparable weight to human babies, but grow at almost visible speeds. They reach physical and mental maturity within 6 months, with the outward appearance of a human female of roughly 16.

Little girls lack the imprinting mechanism of Younger Sisters. Nevertheless, they are a great favorite with slave traders due to the quick turnaround time. Their larger, stronger build, as well as better availability, makes them better cannon fodder than Younger Sisters.

>>13171204
>though they can be surprisingly proficient with firearms even with little training.
Bless be.

>>13171254
Mostly investment. Partly enchanting gear and buying from invested shops. Somewhat loading up kitty banks and breaking them for a pet to pickup. A couple evolution hearts/material kits from souvenir vendors. And a small castle.

I tried playing Elona.
The tutorial guy made me eat human food. Then my character removed his clothes, puked everywhere, and died.

>>13171663
>human food
What else are you going to eat, dog food?

>>13171666
I meant human meat. The meat made from mutilating a human body.

>>13171663
Even the tutorial is out to get you
No really, the guy is a cunt who killed a beggar in his cave-home, made some random dick-ass (you) kill his pet putit, and then eat his corpse.

How do I fix this? I have a magic vendor at rank 63 in Palmia but she still isn't selling pots of potential.

>>13171821
Rank 63 is still pretty low.

I fucking killed a bard and he spontaneously combusted. Should I be worried.

>>13171821
>>13171975
They started showing up around rank 80 for me.

>>13171821
I have a rank 403 magic vendor at home, she occasionally have a potential potion in her inventory.
My viagras come from Alchemy, me searching EVERY material spot that exists and having 6 waifus with every skill that can produce materials from kills like mining or fishing.
It's still not enough to have all my pets maxed out but I'm Always on Superb potential.

Work on Alchemy, pal. Even if it's only for potential potions it's worth it!

>>13172017
Guess who else died in that screenshot of yours!

>>13172083
>having 6 waifus with every skill that can produce materials from kills
For me, this is my main source of materials.

>>13172094
Yeah but... Even if I told her like a hundred times already she still doesn't want to pocket the yelling madmen. I have to do that on my own.

>>13172083
Thanks I'll do just that.

>>13172090
Our old friend Wolf is at it again.

>>13166416
could just drop them in a store.

>>13167039
Do you have to lower their health? Or can you just use knockout and capture them.

>>13172994
Knockout lowers their health, silly.

Using the houseboard in my home, I changed the map icon, but it just displays a white square with "p" and a number in it.

Why? How can I change the icon back?

>>13173805
Please help...

>>13173863
Just go back and change it to 0, which is the original icon. I did the same thing to my pet and it took me a while to figure out.

>>13173889
Thank you.

>>13173455
Specifically, knockout lowers their health down to a minimum of them staying alive allowing you to use as much force without killing them especially against lower level monsters. It is not a requirement to capture but makes it much easier.

Since the Wiki is lacking intel I must ask you guys here.
How does Cheer work in plus? I can see that there is no contingency in it, but does the Charisma still matter? Why won't genesplicing raise my littler girl's charisma? No other stats got raised and the Juere Berserker had like 80 more than my girl. Can pet charisma only be raised by enseble and food?

When an ally dies, does it ever lose any of it's stats or equipment?

If not, is relationship damage the only effect?

I'm curious on if anyone plays this outside of overdose mode and their level.
I tried playing this without and hol-ee shit, talk about shit MMORPG rates.
I couldn't stomach that. A half hour run of puppy cave and almost nothing increased/ no levels gained.

>>13176193
it doesn't revolve entirely about combat. The majority of exp earned comes from non-combat skills, you mainly go through dungeons for the loot.

>>13176193
I dont play overdose. this is on/off over a year or more and across a ton of versions.

Dungeons aren't an especially good source of exp, I just run them for plat/medals and gold. I also have 10 pets that are (mostly) on par with my level, they have a lot higher stats than I do though.

>>13171118
>>13171166
>>13171204
>>13171259
What the fuck am I reading? Why is it so fun?

>>13176113
anyone?

>>13176819
No to all three.

>>13175225
Is the Juere Berserker the same/lower level than your little girl?
Then that's the reason.
Try gene engineering the Juere Berserker to a higher level than your little girl and it should work.

>>13176193
>I'm curious on if anyone plays this outside of overdose mode
A majority of people

In vanilla elona, having a lower level was actually beneficial. In elona+, not so much, but it's not really something I pay attention to. Skills and attributes are more important. Maybe you have shitty potential?
That's what you should focus on.

>>13176193
Not doing overdose myself as it feels like EZ mode. Even then I have a golem that is 60% on his way to being able to steal the Noyel well strength wise. It boils down to keeping your potential high. (My 5 armed 3 body bell of termination is still stronger than me though...)

tfw the Performer skill is finally starting to pay off.

>>13177071
yeah, I just got to the point where I'm gaining 1k tickets per quest, it's pretty rewarding.

>>13177175
What's your performer level, what's your speed, how many pets with what level of performer?

>take a party time quest
>find a nice spot to perform
>as i start jamming, my little girl suddenly screams
>"i'm giving birth!"
>a powerful alien bursts out of the girl's chest and splatters several guests in blood
>alien rampages through the crowd and gleefully slaughters everyone
>finish my performance
>no one left alive to give me points
>mfw

>>13177220
Not stealing everything.

>>13175225
You can teach them performer and use ensemble. Dunno if shopkeeping raises negotiation

>>13176193
I play advancing which is this game's normal mode I think. I didn't really gain a lot of progress when I first started playing either. Had to go through a lot of trial and error to see what worked and had to do some research on the elona wiki to see how to do things but it was fun.

The character I now have didn't rush doing the puppy cave. Instead my start was just doing enough hunting and delivery quests to earn me enough platinum to buy the gardening, weight lifting, and cooking skills. I then did a whole lot of harvest quests in Yowyn. The harvest quests gave me fair bit of gold, seeds to generate a food supply, and most importantly it trained my stats. After using the gold I made to get better equipment and having more hp through stat upgrades I then decided to start the scavenging the puppy caves.

I played 73 hours of Elona in the last week

Help

When I use the interact function to talk to my pet, what does the "equal basis 0" under the impress level mean?

>>13177864
Job: Go to the local unemployment office and get accepted for a job anywhere that will accept you Reward: Gold ($) Karma+1
Job: Remain employed for at least one week Reward: Gold ($) Karma+1

>>13177864
You have 168 hours in a week, stop slacking.

>>13177899
>Ehekatl hugs you,"Don't die! Promise you don't die!"

>>13171821
Rank 63 is too low.

i have her at rank 115 and I have only seen like two ever.

If you get one just elosnack dupe it and get your values back up to normal

>>13178014
Mine started rarely showing up around 80 and after 100 I'd get 1 every 3 restocks or so, so with my two I got at least 1 a week.

>>13172017
honestly i would just cast return and shit.

npcs repop

>>13178014
Hope you're not throwing all your eggs in one basket. The goal, at the minimum, is to invest in every magic vendor you see, not just one, until their rank is at least 100. By the time I get to the point where my potentials need help I should have around 6 or more potions of potential from visiting my invested magic vendors in each town and home. Also, later potential solutions are making potions of potential via alchemy or crafting picnic baskets to consume.

>>13178057
That's very good advice, I have also been working on the magic vendor below my house, shes at roughly 90~ and Ive also been working on getting blackmarket vendor up past 200

Im grinding the crap out of alchemy for that

I need to branch out more, thanks for the heads up

>>13178072
Or if you are nuts like me, you can have up to 3 of them in your home. That way you aren't really putting all of your eggs in one basket but carrying multiple baskets close by.

>>13178057
To add to this you should also make sure to bless your stack of potions of potential. But yes this is good advice to keep your potentials at their highest levels.

>>13178148
>>13178158
great ideas, thanks

>>13177895
I'm not actually unemployed, that's the problem
I write for a living so I basically can do both at the same time

>>13177899
Dude, I played 110 hours of Ragnarok Online in 5 days once. I am never doing that again. I was so close to death that time.

Any tips for grinding materials (Like Casino Chips, Leather, Water drops)?

I've been going to the Maid Mansion in ST for the easy material collections that appear in the basement from time to time, but going into dungeons is just tiresome, and not sure if it's just me, but higher level dungeons give better/more materials, which results in it taking longer. I'm hoping that it isn't the only way to farm materials reliably...

>>13178380
You're clearly playing elona+, so genengineer all the collection skills onto all your pets, let them kill everything, and talk to them every so often to grab their harvests.

>>13178396
Thought it wouldn't be as fast, but I'll try it out in the Puppy Cave I suppose, thanks.

Getting started on this via Elona+, any tips for starting out as a warmage?

>>13178457
Find a strong weapon and get a tonfa shield at the earliest convienence. Spellcasters are hard to startout with because of the whole having to read books to keep spell stock up bs.

After a while, any character will have a decent stock of all their spells if they regularly invest in magic shops and buy out their books on each visit

and like normal elona, you'll ideally want to read the books in a place with a bunch of guards around to handle any monsters that might come out. I once had a level 40 snake and giraffe come out from it and I was only level 29 at the time

Good choices are bardaches, high level katanas, etc. you'll probably want to go with the weapon that you have the highest level / proficiency in

I've tried staves and personally I think they're usless unless they have an obscene amount of magic capacity or some shit.

>>13178490
>After a while, any character will have a decent stock of all their spells if they regularly invest in magic shops and buy out their books on each visit
Joining the mage's guild ASAP is still highly recommended

I've been maining magic dart as my primary attack spell. I have some 50000 spellstock of it right now and it's level 118 because of ridiculous money gains from cooking

reminder to daily-pickpocket-check-inventory on nobles. they have a chance to carry shena's panties which is arguably one of the best ranged weapons in the game

like one of the many bonuses is that having it equipped blocks etherwind so you dont have to main vindale cloak if you have a better cloak.

>>13178580
Ether disease doesn't matter anyways as long as you don't run around in the etherwind, you'll be drowning in cure corruption potions before you know it.

>>13178580
and you can throw in a godly/special bullet arrows or bolts for extra stats.

>>13178593
that's true, they're really not hard to come by at all. instead of wasting a wish on vindales, it's better to get a happy bed or wish for a guild-exclusive skill like greater evasion

Is there a way to use my own title or choose between what's available? Not really a fan of "roll until I get something that I like."
Very picky and all...personally I'd rather use no title.

>>13178612
Elosnack.

>>13177877
Guys?

>>13178617
Thanks PB.

>>13177877
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Relationship

scroll to pet impress

>>13178635
>http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Relationship
I did read it before, and I read it now again. I still don't get it.

I understand the impress value, but what is the "equal basis" thing below it?

>>13178633
no problem

>>13178649
well, what I gather from it is that it never changes, I haven't seen it change personally and I abuse the heck out of some of my pets (especially younger catsister, whos eva isnt high enough yet and even though she has full rubynous armor she gets wiped by a monkey flair)

I wouldn't worry about it.

There are still a bunch of things in elona+ thats not fully implemented...

https://archive.moe/jp/thread/11990973/#q12009270
here's an old post like yours, someone correct me if im wrong but I dont think that ever got fully implemented

>>13178662
Ok, thanks.

>Vlcsnap-321831.png

Dont make me start.

>>13178688
It's literally the only good cartoon left on CN

the later episodes are too try-hard though, I'll give you that

>>13178691
T-thats not the problem here!

>>13178707
is it VLC then?

I've always used it for formats that MPC cant handle

I mean its bad... but not THAT bad.

>>13178691

Regular Show ain't bad.

>>13178718
I recently checked vlc again. It still has increased video brightness for whaterver retarded reason...

Go ahead, compare static screenshots to any other player.

>>13178719
I dont mind regular show, but it lacks the charm of the 90's shows and stuff. It's hard to put a finger on, but theres something about the quirky randomness of adventure time that reminds me of shows like catdog, angry beavers, ren and stimpy, etc

>>13178726
Yeah I had the same problem, i ended up forcing on nvidia control panel to handle all video brightness and used a contrast colour chart to adjust it right

since then, it's worked for everything from silverlight (neftlix, etc) to mpc

so whats the best mount?

I have a kaneda bike from spamming pirates

Im looking at giraffe, would it be worth spamming summon monster rod and get a high level one and evolve it? The bike's been alright but I gotta go faster

>>13178804
Yerles conbat plane.

>>13178804
Don't know what's the best but I can say that I once had a tiger called <Lityou> that joined me after I defeated him/her. Was one of the best mounts I ever had.

>>13176193
Honestly, I tried to play it in overdose but it was just too fast and uncontrollable. I kept seeing skill level ups I don't care about and the skills I wanted to level were constantly at 10-30 potential. I only got to 2k fame but the plat rewards were the same as with advancing.

>>13176854
The 2 Juere berserkers I used were 5 levels and 2 levels higher than my little girl. the first gave her 130-140 str, con dex, the second one only touched con.

>>13179464
Minsc and boo are looking pretty gangsta there.

>>13177698
Teach me! How does an Eulderna get 548 base speed without spending any AP?

>>13179650
Kill the bosses in dungeons. Hope that medals drop. Repeat until you have a lot and exchange them at Garok's workshop for hermes potions. Bless the stack of hermes potions and consume them. Also, search for medals in towns and other places. Potions of upperspeed are nice. You can find them sometimes when dungeon crawling.

Since I'm level 58 I have a decent range of dungeon danger lvs I can go into and I go into any dungeon with a danger level equal to my level or lower. Lower dungeon lvs are nice because they are fast clears and whether or not the boss drops medals is not dependent on dungeon danger lv.

Having said all that speed is nice but you should also spend medals on scrolls of growth and bless the stack. Having 400% potential in all your skills is nice.

>>13179695
Would consuming raw equipment with *it maintains speed* work with hermes blood and speed upper?

>>13179706
Not sure since I've never tried. Something to experiment with. Although my gut feeling says it doesn't work with potions but instead works off of skills. So like consume the raw equipment and then work on swimming and hopefully you'll see a speed increase? Again, I don't know.

>>13178490
Wouldn't it be less risky to read spell books in the wilderness while staying near the edge of the map? There's a chance the guards might not be able to handle higher level monsters.

What's Elona about?
I'm a totaly murderhobo, I don't care for skills that don't involved shoving a pointy object in someone's face. Can I enjoy that game anyway?

>>13179763
I used to do that too. I stopped caring after literacy got to 80+. It was a good way to run away.

>>13179764
Elona+ is more of a sandbox than just mindless killing. You have to be equally good with everyday tasks like farming and cooking to get the most out of it. It is possible you could enjoy the late game, but you have to reach that point. The road is long and perilous but rewarding as well.

how useful is riding?

>>13179764
>>13179772
this.
Elona is more of a life simulator than a straight rouguelike.

>>13179826
Very useful early game, especially when you start with a slow PC like a golem or a dwarf. You do have to take in account that while riding your hit will suffer, especially when dual wielding or using a heavy weapon.
At mid game it's still useful but you need to gear your mount.
Not sure about late game but I got to the point where I'm actually faster on my feet. I stopped riding when I got to the point where it was a bother that my ride kept dying under me. It was a lvl 45-ish giraffe with around 300 PV and 2000-ish HP. At that time I was around lvl 50, golem with 178 life.

Note that riding a pet will get you the speed bonus you give your pets with the cheer special action.

I do no know what happened. I recently upgraded from v1.41fix to 1.42fix2. All my pets gain insane amounts of cash from their pickpocket skills respectively. After 2 100-ish dungeons and a quick lvl 6 one I checked my black angel's pocket and she had 150k with her.
I'm not complaining but the change is rather visible.

>>13179706
I get 1 speed per like 4 raw +5 speed shoes

>>13180101
How do you check their gold?

>>13180149
Ctrl + I, target them and select inventory.

>>13180149
It shows up in their inventory, right next to their DV/PV.

Stripmined 1 floor of a lvl 36 fort, found 6 safes with about 20k gold, 4 rubies 12 micas, 3 emeralds, a diamond and a medal. My mining went from 115 to 124.
I guess it's slower than actually clearing a dungeon, but I had to try!

>>13180101
the recent update made pickpocketing on pets more viable and you get better amounts of gold on kill now from it. Pet training is also a ton cheaper now. All in all, welcome changes.

>>13180245
Now I just have to find out what to do with the excess Potions of Potential. All my pets have Superb potential on stats except I guess speed that I'm currently grinding up with AP.
Do they sell well?

>>13176193
you have to keep your potential up

most of my skills don't gain a single point unless I'm at 150% potential or more

What is the most effective way to get adventurers to soul mate so I can farm those stupid new years gifts?

>>13180310
friendship tokens and gifts

>>13180321
Any way that doesn't involve having 100+ million gold?

>>13180340
>buying from souvenir vendors
general stores sell gifts at reasonable prices after you've invested a few million

love potions work too

>>13180271
Just stockpile them I guess.

>>13180340
you can make the friendship tokens pretty easily, If you've been hoarding material boxes.

>Head to a merchant to sell or buy shit.
>They fall asleep on you the second you step up to them.
>KILL THEM EVERYTIME FOR THEIR INSOLENCE.

and yeah I know I can bash them or whistle/ in b4 "hoo r u qwoting"

>>13180447
Even worse is when you talk to them too much and they get pissed.
>x glances at you and steps back.
It annoys me every time

>>13180399
I open them all the time
And using small medals for that seems kinda idiotic.

I tried hoarding chests for lucky day for once.

All these godly items.

Holy shit, is there anyway to get rings or necklaces out of pets? I want to equip my pets with good stuff but maybe I want it back someday.

>>13180857
Any engagement jewelry is gone for good, don't give them that.

>>13180321
And chocolates, you can make three per year.

Merchant visited my house and saw this ring in there for 1000 gold. Wtf! Already came with speed and used sup mat scroll to make it into this godlike ring. Pretty happy.

i just found a diary or something and it spawned a lvl 1 Younger Sister as my new ally.
is she worth keeping? the wiki is pretty vague about her pros and cons.

>>13181138
Do you like younger sisters?
If so, go ahead.
She evolves into yandere sister, if that's your thing.

Are there any special pets that I can use for being a party medic? My current pet party is Lazy Older Sister, M-Girl, Nine-Tailed Fox Brother, Cat Princess, and Witch. I was looking at the AP guy for his 'Tactical Healing', but I'm not sure how often it would activate...And to those of you who would say 'Why don't you switch to plat bell party': Been there, done that, got bored of it.

how do weaken Bells enough to capture them? poisons instakill them and they vanish long before i can physically hurt them.

>>13181376
Rod of domination/Domination spell.
However, if you don't have either, poison is the only way to deal with them. And it's almost pure luck at that point. Alternatively, if you have 'Time stop ammo', you can use that to try and whittle down the bell's HP.

>>13180589
empty material boxes can be used
you're right that it's not a good idea to use medals early/mid game, but they're not as valuable later

>>13180857
engagement jewelery have such high base prices that they're probably better off being traded or sold than given to your dog

>>13181138
99% of pets are viable with enough mind-numbing training
<H-sister> is better

>>13181360
give a fast-hitting pet the Holy Lance and teach them Tactical Heal
Ouroboros and Chaos Shaman come to mind for a native Healing Rain (which I'm not sure stacks with Tactical Heal)
my Dryas uses Tactical Heal, but it's rare. Unfortunately, you're going to have to be the main healer if you don't want a pet holocaust.

>>13181418
I'm not even close to seeing Chaos Shaman or Ouroboros, so I think I'll just go along with the fast-hit pet option. Thanks.

>>13181418
I'd rather use engagement jewelry on adv while we're out dungeoning then steal them back later. Plus you need a good deal for getting yacatecht gifts. Better engagement garbage than your decorative rings/amulets

Any ill effects to passing entire years in the ocean palace (since 1 turn = 1 hour there, so one R is 50 hours) for god summoning and Noyel well wishes?
I could go in there and pass a month before I have to eat something.

>>13181709
Taxes will fuck your karma to hell.
Aside from that, not that I can think of.

How are my stats getting drained even though I have "maintains [stat]" for everything? Something knocked all of them down by about 20 points and when I drank the restore body/spirit potions they didn't come back all the way. My strength is currently 11 points lower than it was half an hour ago (I haven't changed equipment, no new mutations, it wasn't boosted by any hexes, etc). What's going on, and how can I avoid it in the future?

>>13181762
Did you die in any form, including deaths that don't inflict the death penalty such as in the arena, or have you gone over sixteen months without dying?

>>13181762
you just got disaster'd

should've gotten the sage's helm

>>13181772
Lucky dagger does the same thing. The point is, what's the good of "maintains ..." when certain enemies can permanently drop my stats whenever they want?

>>13181809
So all the OTHER enemies can't drop your stats whenever they want.

Also, it's not permanent. No way to permanently drop all stats 20 points off a single trigger.

>>13181920
It is permanent in the sense that restore body/spirit potions don't work, the only way to get them back is to train them up like normal.

>>13181762
Did you try using blessed restore body/spirit potions? I've gotten different results using those versions.

>>13181977
It sure as hell is NOT.
The Elo+ devs aren't retards.
Bless your potions, man. I'd bet money that the "stat loss" you're experiencing is just that you don't have the boost from blessed potions anymore. Or hell, maybe the delta is due to you transferring from soma to blessed restores.

>>13181981
Hmm... I forgot that the blessed restore potion effect doesn't show up in the enchants list, it seems probable that I've been operating under their effect near-constantly without knowing it, so when disaster cancelles it I didn't recognize that as the cause.

So what's to be done after every main dungeon (so far) has been cleared, every being who would oppose me lying dead inside their fortress, their grisly remains reduced to a museum piece?
I've taken to starting what is now either the most eye-candied heavy mithril or most brutal pop band in Tyris, but what now? Train myself and my allies for months of heavy grinding and murder the gods as well for their sweet 376-stone loot?

>>13183301
Assign keys.

What is the maximum amount of hands do you recommend for a mutant?

What a sap.

>>13183301
0. get to the point where you can casually kill inner gods.
1. grind Summon Spirit up to lvl 651.
2. gather 20 sandbags.
3. get Wish up high enough, and with enough stock, for 20 consecutive castings.
4. ...you'll also need Casting up real high so you can actually cast OK.
5. take a Party quest. slaughter everybody with Meteor. summon a god, kill it, sandbag the inner god. repeat 20 times.
6. wait till almost timeout.
7. summon lvl 6666 Spirits until you hit the pop cap.
8. Potion Rain a few love potions to satisfy everybody. much easier than Perform.
9. (optional) recover your sandbags while dodging 20 enraged gods.
10. exit the quest with enough tickets to buy 100 happy apples in one go. it'll weighs a ton. use 4 dimentional pocket.

according to the japanese message board, in the next version soloing characters will get +20% to speed. i wonder if riding is allowed?

>>13184077
You're riding a pet. My gut feeling says no.

>>13184077
that's a feat, not an always.

>>13181727
Carry your delivery chest and a tax box? Does that work?

>>13184055
You're the sap if it's valuable enough to pay for an expensive as fuck mirror. Rarely a cursed item will be very good or have a desireable noncombat attribute but be cursed.Please tell me you stole it back right after trading

>>13184790
Carrying a tax box should work fine, but I'm fairly certain delivery chests only function at home.

>>13184809
Wings in general have stupidly high cost multipliers. The game badly overvalues floating.

>>13184790
If that would work you didn't have to ask. It would have been discovered years ago.

>>13184818
>delivery chests only function at home
This. Also freezers.
I would so love to have my golden knight carry those burdens of me as well...

>>13181028
Dang, that's pretty sweet
Never seen that enchantment on a ring before, only necklaces

>>13181360
Defender
I consider her Lay On Hands ability to be essential, it can revive the player from death too. Vital for inferno runs and useful for the occasional pet that gets gibbed for whatever reason.

She comes with healing spells too plus I gave mine the holy lance. I also have a Valkyrie that I gave healing spells via AP training

I didn't think I had anyone answer the question of how many hands should I have.

Second question is is the inner god weapons worth it? I find Ragnarok to be a bit of a pain to deal with not due to the spawns but because it creates Etherwind.

>>13185452
If you can get the inner god weapons, you don't need the inner god weapons. They're the equivalent of the "reward for beating the post-game dungeon" weapons in RPGs.
Just do whatever you did to kill the inner god to any enemies you fight, and you'll win. Nothing else in the game really stands up to an inner god.

>>13184071
Bloody hell that sounds awesome. I actually have cast Wish with that character and grinding spells is easy, so my only concerns are actually getting Wish (and Meteor) stock and grinding whichever skill it takes to Potion Rain competently. But I will do it.

>>13185452
>is is the inner god weapons worth it?
Gotta catch 'em all.

I'm currently waiting for an adventurer to show up to my house so I can reverse-launder all these cure corruption and oracle into fenceable goods and blitz through the thieves guild quests. Two questions: how much value do the last few levels require, and is there a better way to turn these ultra-high monetary, ultra-low practical value goods into stolen goods?

>>13185491
Won't Void enemies eventually become more powerful than inner gods after a few hundred floors?

>>13184071
I over 80 hours I haven't found a single wish book

>>13185967
Are you running triple-digit level dungeons or doing harvest time in yowyn?

>>13186018
I've only done a handful of 100+ dungeons because I don't really have a plan of what I'm doing
I'm playing a caster and while I was able to handle the floor 7 boss of the south tyris main dungeon boss, I end up getting my ass handed to me quite a bit in 100+ dungeons.

>>13185961
No, the special abilities and life/mana modifiers the inner gods have place them above a level 6666 small fry.

>>13185452
You savescumming/elosnackin boyo?

>>13185892
I'm at like rank 17 or something and it's still only like 50k stolen goods for a couple ranks. Enough that I get it in 2-3 weeks emptying out the thieves guild of their paintings, dressers n shit.

Trade them to dudes in the iwantit jobs. Talk to the informer every time you stop at town and check for adv's

>>13186842
Yeah the mutant is a save scum character. The one that I generally don't is my first character, golem warmage that punches things.

What is the reason for arms though?

>>13187177
Ops I want to revise that, why arms instead of body?

>>13187177
Ops I want to revise the question, why arms instead of body?

(also I used Dr Gavela before reaching lvl 3)

>>13187189
If you can get them from gavela or something?

Gloves give some good to-hit bonuses.Like 20 for each rubynus glove. Something you'll sorely need for your latter weapons.

>>13186842
Hey, it's okay to savescum if elona plays dirty too!

>>13187476
>Not being an inferno mode mutant that leads an army of mutants that are stripped and abandoned if they die
Est Sularus oth Mithas

>>13180701
Is it worth to do that? Does lucky day apply after you open it and not when the chest gets spawned in?

So the preaching skill often crashes the game.
This is a know old bug according to the changelog in elona wiki:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29
(ctrl+f preaching, version 1.23)

Should I just not use the skill or is there a fix?

>>13187978
dont use preaching
- Anywhere you can get hit
- when you're hungry or near starving
- or around anything that'll make you take damage or get interrupted


Those are the triggers for it to crash, otherwise it's fine.

>>13188219
Oh, thank you. Propably wouldn't have figured this out, since seemed better to just never use it.

>>13188338
Why do you want to use it? Blackjack is a much more efficient use of your time for grinding faith.

1.43 is out.

>>13187697
Underrated post

Eating this ring gave me a "Charisma deteriorates" message. Why is that?

>>13191314
Funky rounding causes low negative stat bonus enhancement values to provide positive bonuses instead of negative.

>>13191321
And also the other way around?

>>13191346
No, only goes one way.
I forget the exact details, but what causes it is that certain ranges of enhancement values give certain +stat bonuses, and the shallow end of the negatives falls into the +1 range.

>>13191399
So nothing you described, according to how you described it, would explain why eating a +stat item would provide -stat effect.

>>13191461
No, stat growth/loss from eating is based off the enhancement value, not the stat bonus/malus.

Is elona+ translated?

>>13191748
I used to think this question was somewhat rare, now I've seen it enough to know otherwise.
It is translated in North Tyris /almost/ completely however you will start encountering more and more translation errors/missing dialogue/placeholders in South Tyris.But by then it's pretty straight forward and you know what to do. Or you can just look online for what to do. Either one.

T-rex vs kaneda bike

thoughts?

>>13190718
I only recently started elona+, how long does it usually take until we english people can update to the new version without suddenly getting moonrunes?

>>13191762
Are there any older versions of elona+ that're fully translated? Much of the fun of elona is in the silly dialogue itself. The game is pretty much grind grind *lol so randum* otherwise.

>>13191545
You mean as long as the item itself confer stat bonus, I'll train them by eating?

>>13191956
You don't. There's been some light translation done by some guy who is in contact with Ano, but very little has really been done.

I think that chick(?) from the wiki was trying to get in touch with Ano to work on translations, but judging by her comments, that didn't come to anything. So who knows if we'll ever get everything in English.

>>13192068
That isn't what I meant at all.
Let me rephrase that.
If I update to 1.43, while playing english mode, will I suddenly get moonrunes everywhere or will only the new additions have everything untranslated?

>>13192139
That sounds entirely different from your original question, heh.

You won't encounter moonrunes at all. You'll get a lot of "Sorry this is untranslated sentence." and other copy/pasted phrases. And, yes, it's only on new content. Nothing that was in English becomes not-in-English as you upgrade.

>>13192195
Do we have some kind of anon that translates the changelogs? google TL is not helping a whole lot.
I see some new uniques, and a whole lot of stuff I can't quite make sense of, probably pet related

Is this some new enemy type?

also
>>13192321
this

>>13192321
The chick I was talking about from the wiki has been doing changelog translations for the last several versions.

Newest one (for 1.43) is here: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:15475

>>13192436
Those ranch changes sound pretty kewl.

Can't wait to breed little girls that can't stop their breasts from overflowing with milk.

>>13192436
>Riding skill experience gain is now focused on turns spent riding rather than physical attacks while riding.

My wizard can finally mount! I'm so happy I almost googled up a reddit reaction face. almost.

Ohh. Directive won't work on escorted NPCs anymore. It brings up a list of the party instead.
The command flag still works the same as usual though.

I can't make out when and how displacable NPCs respawn
Trying to farm town childs from the smoke and pipe in south tyris for that one side quest and I can't get them to respawn
I already tried to catch the children in Noyel but they can't be caught at all.

>>13181028
I think 1.43 fixed that. Extra ranged attack shouldn't be on rings.
If you upgraded your game check if it got removed. If it's still on it, I'd say you got yourself some pretty rare curiousity there.

Awesome, a random fairy mob in a hunting quest dropped a secret experience of kumiromi.

>>13187697
BTW, I do not believe that anyone is playing Elona+ on No Future, or Inferno, since

>The -30 karma penalty is incurred by killing the following animals:

Cats: Cat, Stray Cat, Silver Cat, Twintail
Dogs: Dog, Sheepdog, Silver wolf, , Padangu, Poppy, Dog Cop, Pascal

I tried No Future and everything else is manageable, except for the above rule. When you explorer a dungeon and suddenly there's a room full of dogs (which still remain hostile btw)... HAVE FUN! Also since they randomly appear where ever, you have to take every round slowly, so that you dont accidentally kill them.

If you take a hunting quest, above animals can appear in those as well, like in normal mode and the karma penalty still applies, even though they NEED to be killed to complete the quest.

So theoretically and tediously it can be done, but it would not be fun. Never take hunting quests. When you go to a dungeon which needs to be cleared to bottom floor always have a lot of money and way to have incognito for indulgence + lots of lost suitcases and wallets...

>>13193455
None of those are particularly threatening enemies, Anon. Just walk away. Or teleport them away. Or if you gotta kill them, change creature or mutate them.
You're seriously incompetent if you can't handle a few enemies with a giant "NO KILL" label.

>>13193461
If your pets kill them, you still lose the Karma if I remember correctly. So no pets either :)

>>13193466
It takes one action to tell all your pets to stop killing things, so again, that's a non-issue as well unless you're cripplingly incompetent.

>>13193517
You don't quite comprehend what not killing them means. Do you use any kind of ranged weapons?

If yes, then you need to manually target your weapon every. single. time. there is a forbidden animal on the screen. You also cannot use anything which leaves effects on the ground (like fire), since they might kill themselves.

>It takes one action to tell all your pets to stop killing things, so again, that's a non-issue as well unless you're cripplingly incompetent.
Yeah, sure. Have fun doing that every time there is a forbidden animal on screen. Very practical and manageable.

>>13193583
You don't quite comprehend what not being a spaz who can't keep his fingers off the 'f' key is.
You don't quite comprehend how targeting works either, if you think you have to manually target everything forever or some blackhole of illogic will suck in your shots towards the dog.

>Yeah, sure. Have fun doing that every time there is a forbidden animal on screen. Very practical and manageable.
Oh noooo, I'll have to hit two keys if I see a dog! Two keystrokes, however will I survive?

>>13193681
Alright, grandmaster of Elona. Show me your No Future character!

>>13193455
I don't recall any problems with that showing up.

>>13194007
you need some potions of potential, my nignog.

you been working on shops?

>>13194007
Can't you summon monsters to let them deal with dogs

>>13194214
Since dogs are hostile I dont think monster attack them. They only attack cats.

>>13194182
My income is just coming online. Rank is rising but it's a WIP

>>13192396
was it a bread?

>>13194246
What about spirits?
What about Necromobs?

Will Elosnack work with the latest Elona+ update? Being 1.43?
Apparently I've read something on older versions eating big chunks of your sava data or some shit.

>>13194624
my save file is gigantic

>>13194624
That's just Elosnack 1.0

Don't ever use it on any version.

The latest version of elosnack should work fine- the update to elona from 1.42fix2->1.43 is minimal

of course, always backup to make sure.

Monster girl sprite sheet updated for 1.43
puush / gEFiO

updating the pastebin shortly.

kokou
finally, you can believe in only your power

>>13171118

Please. Yerles would never preform such unethical experiments on children!

Unless they were Juere children.

>>13176193

There was once an anon in /rl/ general who played in hardcore mode, and got to level 70 or something. The man was insane.

>>13196117
It's not really so much "insane" as it is careful.
If you play conservatively, know how to detect and avoid monster closets and bomb rock rooms, accurately identify if you can take a boss, and don't fall victim to one of the common "I wasn't paying attention" deaths, Inferno's pretty smooth sailing.
I mean, hell, I've got a level 80 character who's only died thrice, once when I botched a pickpocket attempt on a potion of potential carried by Lulwy, once when I kamikazed a dungeon boss to get rid of sickness and walked in to fight a level 467 Atlas naked, and once when I pretty much fell asleep holding the 'f' key and a Great Race of Yith insanitylocked me while Lityou ate my face. All of which wouldn't have happened if I was being halfway careful.

>>13196159
There's no permadeath?

>>13196251
Not in all game modes, no.

>>13196095
but they're not children. They're monsters summoned by magic. Would you have qualms dissecting a Putit?

>>13196875
I'd like to pint out a previous post.
>>13171166
>As a member of the Roran race, Younger Sisters are naturally attractive, eliciting feelings of protectiveness and warmth, much more than female human children of the same age.

>>13196984
so they're monsters that exploit a weakness in the human psyche, much like the Yiths.

>>13196875
W-what did you just call my younger sister?!
A m-monster?!
I'll have you know that my younger sister is a proud member of the Roran race! Only filthy Juere savages can confuse a Putit monster with a Roran!

>>13196992
Yes, yes they are. In a much more symbiotic way. Still they do exploit your weaknesses towards them.

Is Kumiromi a decent god to worship after I collected the rewards from all of the gods, inclusive summon+talk to special reward?
I want her primarily for the stamina bonus, really.

>>13197788
Yes, his stamina bonus is very useful if you do things that use stamina.

This treasure map is very descriptive.

>>13197980
it's more descriptive than you think

A nice piece of furniture.

>>13197980
I've gotten this one before. it took a while but it's got a few clues. Mainly look at the mountains.

>>13197788
>I want her primarily for the stamina bonus, really.
>I want her
>her
oh boy 'ere we go again.

>>13197898
I am constantly out of stamina. To the point where 1/4 of my playing time is R'ing for stamina.

Quick question, since stuff like performing or pickpocket uses turns, but both are stamina actions, does stamina recover during the turns spent like that?

>>13198744
I blame it on the fucking name, okay
And the tiny shape
I actually know Kumiromi is male but when I don't pay attention "her" just comes out naturally.

>>13198769
No, the description's somewhat misleading. Kumiromi means you recover an extra point of stamina per action. That is, per thing you do that takes at least one turn. So if you hit the "skip 1 turn" key fifty times, that's fifty extra stamina recovered. If you hit the "skip 50 turns" key, that's just one extra stamina recovered, since that's one action.

And last I checked, it doesn't trigger for anything that consumes stamina. It's still great for keeping stamina up, but it won't let you infinitely spam perform.

>>13198769
I haven't paid much attention, but I think it's only when you end a controlled turn.

At least I'm losing stamina while performing, and I sometimes have to tap 5 for about 10 turns between party times.

Also, moving in the world map also renews only 1 stamina per tile.

>>13198846
updated my journal

>>13198769
No but it will vastly increase the amount of cooking/pickpocket/fishing/performing/whoring you can do per day

Considering I cook like 50 corpses a day, I need a ton of stamina

>>13198769
the "drain blood" special action drains stamina

it's extremely useful and makes kumi far less vital

you can also drain your pets blood for their stamina, when you aren't in a dungeon

I was told by a friend that he uses the Ruekuen(or Rueken?) faces for one of the graphical mods.

Meanwhile I am failing at trying to find it, is that actually a thing or is that something you have to compile yourself?

Can allies or NPCs/etc get Ether disease?

>>13200358
Allies no. NPCs, unless story related like Pael's mom, don't get ether disease.

>>13200374
So using pets to get rid of those "attacks you with ether disease" monsters is a relatively solid strategy?

>>13200381
Yes

>>13199363
Drains more than it cots? by how much and how hard is the curve to get it useful?

>>13200381
Early on you can magic dart/rod of magic missile it ezpz

>>13199363
That still forces me to get into melee with my wizard character and that's not very much of a good idea

>>13200514
You get like 4 or 5 stamina per use

Hahaha. I read a very difficult spell book and 2 eulderna summon knights appeared (along with some lesser monsters). Now Vernis is a bloody battleground. The townspeople seem uncapable of killing the summon knights.

Is there a timer when the monsters disappear, or will I have to carefully help the townspeople?

>>13202474
In Vernis? You're fucked up if Whom dwell in vanity joins the battle.

>>13202483
I think he already took a couple of blows. Hahahahahah! HIhahahha haiaihdas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is_Jj024Kq4

>>13202498
RIP Vernis. Soon the Euldernas will be the least of its problems. I hope you hadn't invested in the local shops.

>>13202136
But it should be anon. Why aren't you investing plat into evasion, greater evasion, and your armor skill? Why aren't you surrounding yourself in 8 weaklings and falling asleep on wait while they train you up one walnut bread and coffee at a time? Whizzyman Jameson is only a vulnerable as you let him be.

>>13202660
I enjoy being solo, okay
I only want my pets to be my perform slaves
And I only want god pets, and gods as pets, as my pets

>>13202686
I'm not talking about pets.. I'm talking about go find 8 yeeks and let them pound on you for an in-game week.

Is it possible to get Kumiromi level of stamina regen out of troll blood or the regeneration spell? I really don't want to worship him with every single character I make. It makes them the same-shit.

How good can a pet survive if I deck it out in full diamond/adamantine for amazing PV? Or will it need resists no matter what

>Parked a save for a couple weeks
>Come back
>I'm in derphy by the slave master
>Figure I'm here to get skills for the younger sisters
>They already have them all, that's weird
>Return to palmia then realize I have a little sister I wanted to train
>Dump like 400,000 gold into her
>Like an in-game month later wonder why she's still at lvl 1
>Default skills
>Now have to go skill fishing then dump another 400,000k into her

>>13202924
And it turns out the little sister I just gave like 8 slots is a mutant species. This day is tumbling down so hard

>>13202770
You know you can just convert to a different god once you've got all of Kumiromi's rewards right?

>>13202820
PV is good but you'll need resists eventually.

>>13202924
>>13202952
About to get into gene engineering, any tips/advice? I want to avoid giving my pets extra arms and stuff. This is just to add skills they don't have.

>>13203039
I know. That was not the question.

>>13203060
Uh... Get rich? It'll tell you if the donator will donate a limb. (I)nteract and label your actual pets a precious ally so you don't merge them into something useful.

Little girls have traveler and shit. The rogue wizard has cooking for your wife. Fallen soldiers have control magic for god knows why. Just look at the skill set of the slave trader guy. If you started with one, a dog has swimming, eye of mind, a bear has eye of mind, a cat and vampire bat have greater evasion. Once you get in the late teens+ you'll rarely get a useful non-slave trader pet. You can plop these in a ranch so you can poop out a greater evasion etc as needed. Between those and something with a full slot set on a ranch you'll get all 13.

If you want nonstandard 13's you can catch mutants/big sisters and use those.

And read the wiki articles.

>>13203101
Once you get in the late teens+ you'll rarely get a useful non-slave trader pet from reading a scroll of ally*

Scrolls of ally are way too random. I found it easier to just go out the the wild, a dungeon or summon up a few monsters and cast dominate on the desired ones. Of course, you have to be a guild mage with a literacy good enough to read the domination books you ordered for. Trying to recharge the books will be close to impossible first but it will work out soon enough. No need to waste millions on them later on.

>>13203060
Anything that's a standard humanoid NEVER gives extra body parts.

>>13203151
curse the scrolls, i got a plat bell from one
but i'm not sure if it helps, the wiki says nothing on cursed scrolls of ally

I have an item called "a little ball"

Description reads "This ball give's you unique powersc"
"It is precious."

What does this item do?

>>13203498
It's still faster and more efficient for me to just summon monsters and dominate the one I want than reading 100 ally scrolls. Not to mention when you're already in South Tyris and higher level, it's easier to look for your desired monster that way(or to invest in the monster-ball shop and go dungeon diving).

>>13203544
It's for the quest in the Cyber dome. The ball is used to capture Little Sisters that spawn after you defeat a Big Daddy. The quest makes it possible to get Any Artifact that you already once had, like a Lost Godly weapon or happy apples.
You can get any number of balls from the scientist in the dome as long as you can carry them, so it's nothing precious.

>>13193681
Holy shit man you're a big fucking faggot, all he said from the beginning was that playing this mode was tedious as fuck to be done properly, not difficult. I'll say I agree with his point as well.

>Oh noooo, I'll have to hit two keys if I see a dog! Two keystrokes, however will I survive?
And that's not diffcult at all, nobody ever said it was. It's just unnecesarily tedious. I swear I've seen some retards in here but you really are up there when it comes to understanding a basic-as-fuck post.

>>13203544
>>13203608
While on the subject, is there a limit to how many times you can do the quest in Elona+?
Says something about a cap of 10.

>>13203806
No, the little sister cost per item as a reward increases by one per reward. The first takes one sister, the second takes two more, the third three more. Etc. The number requires caps at ten, you can complete the quest as many times as you want if you find enough sisters.

What exactly is the DD Cemetary key for?

>>13204029
If you have the key in your inventory It returns all undead from deployed coffins of necromancy back into their coffin states when you leave the map automatically. Coffins of necromancy are created using a pot for fusion item.

>>13203307
I thought it was just slave trader pets. Can you elaborate? Would a silver eyed witch not give parts to a putit?

Fortune cookie:
The game could not choose valid fortunes as your saved game is corrupted

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Fortune_cookie

Apparently that is a false message purposefully put into the game the get players nervous. THIS IS HORRIBLE GAME DESIGN! YOU DONT DO THAT!

In Metal Gear Solid when fighting spycho mantis, you cannot be fooled for long that your tv is not working. This on the other hand could be a completely valid message.

>>13204632
I remember getting a cookie that said that. Considering Elona is a roguelike that doesn't take itself too seriously I don't think such a message is out of place. The game also has a habit of trolling players such as the don't read me book. Stuff like this and others kinda tipped me off that the fortune cookie was probably a joke like some of the other false fortune cookies. As for horrible game design I disagree but hey if you don't like it make your own game or play something else.

>>13204632
Good ol' fortune cookies. A magnificent art much neglected in modern gaming
>A cockatrice corpse is guaranteed to be untainted!
>A chameleon imitating a mail daemon often delivers scrolls of fire.
>A glowing potion is too hot to drink.
>A staff may recharge if you drop it for awhile.
>Always attack a floating eye from behind!
>They say that you should call your armor `rustproof'.
>Tired? Try a scroll of charging on yourself.
>You can get a genuine Amulet of Yendor by doing the following: --More--
>You swallowed the fortune!
>Segmentation fault (core dumped).

>>13204632
>This on the other hand could be a completely valid message.
You must be retarded.

Elona is full of shit like that and there's no way *save* corruption would affect that.

Please don't tell me you're stupid enough to think a list of random fortune strings is somehow generated for each save game instead of all of them coming from the same prewritten list.

Info is kind of lacking on the NPCs recruitable for homes, such as skills/sprites used, etc.
Anyone got the details on what sprites are used by maids or is it the same 'random' batch as adventurers?

How bad is sickness exactly? Does it reduce current or base stats?

>>13205200
Anon, programming is black magic to most people, they don't even think about how A might interact with B and just accept whatever they're told.

>>13206232
>>13205200
>>13204694

I'm a professional game programmer btw. Thanks for calling me a retard.

Regards:
>>13204632

>>13206305
pics or it didn't happen

>>13206305
Well, congratulations. That just makes you all the more retarded.

>>13206305
So you're part of the reason we have stuff like Call of Duty

>>13205915
One of the biggest effects is that it wrecks your mana regen (maybe HP and stamina regen too? I never noticed) so if you're casting a lot, you soon won't be.

>>13206939
N-no!