/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>13136776

>>13136776
Take it easy.

>>13136795
>>13136776
I swear I've seen this art style before.

Reimu's a lot of things, and cool is one of them.

>>13136802
Would Reimu let you cuddle her while taking it easy or is that too much work?

>>13136864
No.

>>13136872
Reimu is a plane.

>>13136903

>>13136776
>>13136795
Straight cut bangs are cute

>>13136795
>>13136776

Wow, that's a really nice style. Cute.

>>13136910
Nyeeeooom.
If Reimu knew what airplanes were, she would totally make noises like them when she flies.

>>13136990
I wish I could fly.

>>13136903
>>13136903

A plane, as in, flat!

>>13136903
Preparing for takeoff.

>>13137048
She's not totally flat.

>>13137027
I wonder what it's like to be able to fly so effortlessly? She doesn't even need to flap wings or pump magic or something. Must be nice.

this miko is so soft

>>13136903
This is the best touhou for pretending to be a plane.

>>13137095
She only seems to do it when she goes into action, so I wonder if it is effortless.

>>13136875
Sweating cools you down. With two people rubbing each other, you'll get twice as cool!

lick

>>13137211
Well...it takes very little effort, at least.

>>13137226
You know full well it wouldn't work out like that.

>>13136776
She kicked ass in this issue's Forbidden Scrollery

>>13137273
Did he died or was there tea?

EOSD Reimu is my favorite.

>>13137273
>>13137305
She straight up murdered a human villager that thought he could get away with turning into a youkai.

http://hungry0bookworm.tumblr.com/post/112707342301/forbidden-scrollery-chapters-24-and-25-write-up

>>13138686
Please don't link to tumblr, "onegaishimasu".

>>13138709
Sometimes the OC is in places you don't like and then you have to go there and get it. Shit happens.

For a while the only person scanlating FS was on TVTropes.

>>13138722
Nah, I'd rather learn japanese than going to those places.

>>13138730
Is your pride so fucking thick important you'd quit the fandom rather than rely on websites you don't like for information? I hope you've never visited the Touhou wiki because the people who run that are what /jp/ would consider typical con trash.

みちろんもう分かるなら問題ない。

>>13138730
Is your pride so fucking important that you'd intentionally deprive yourself of content rather than rely on websites you don't like for information? I hope you've never visited the Touhou wiki because the people who run that are what /jp/ would consider typical con trash.

みちろんもう分かるなら問題ない。

>>13138722
But usually, you can just read the same on /jp/ a week earlier.

>>13138743
Frankly, people should be discouraged from reading the wiki, or at least informed that the translations have dubious quality and everything that isn't one shouldn't be relied on period. It sucks there's no other place to send newbies to.

>>13138815
/jp/ hasn't been first in translations for a long long time now.

Or raws, for that matter.

>>13138852
I know no other place that discusses the chapters right as they leak on futaba.

The main problem with making translations is getting raws. (And guess what, others aren't getting them either, just Clarste and he never shares.) That one time we've found them on some chinese site, someone made a scanlation almost immediately.

>>13138686
>chapters 24 and 25
>only does 24
I'm still thankful, though. Now I know why Reimu decided to just up and kill the youkai dude.

Anything on chapters 22 and 23?

Why doesn't she get enough donations? How does she get by?

>>13137252
Have you tried it? Letting down Reimu's hair and slowly stroking her tea-filled belly on the cool grass?

>>13138709
Grow the fuck up, "onegaishimasu" .

Would you consensually hug Reimu? Serious responses only PLEASE.

>>13136776
This Miko has a funny face.

>>13136776
2cool4skool

>>13138686
ZUN forgot that Byakuren is also a jinyou and thus she should be dead by now.

he just makes this shit up on the go not bothering to check if it creates plotholes.

>>13139234
>Why doesn't she get enough donations?
cause the youks like her and humans don't like youks.

yukari dropped 10 grands on her donation box once, marisa probably stole it as she's the only one that saw it.
>How does she get by?
fairies manga show that she has a huge garden in her backyard from which she gets food and sake ingredients, also a nearby river where she fishes, one fish was frozen by cirno and broken into bits just to piss Reimu off.

the money donation is a way for a normal person to display faith which is the shrine maiden's goal, and she uses the money solely to expand the shrine as shown in WaHH.

>>13137273
Where is the blood and gore?

>>13139767
Iie.

>>13138743
It's the internet m8, I can afford a bit of pride.

It goes in here.

>>13141246

>>13141257
I would love for Reimu to step on me and call me worthless.

>>13141257

>>13141282
>>13141279

>>13141284

>>13141198
Sorry, but you're wrong. Humans that become youkai are rather common in Gensokyo. Not only Byakuren, but also Alice, Ichirin, and all the undeads.

What seems to carry a mandatory death penalty in Gensokyo is not being a jinyou, but specifically being a human villager that tries to become one.

This means Marisa is on the clear if she ever decided to go full magician, because Marisa goes to lengths to not live as a villager: She lives in a forest full of monsters, studies magic, etc. But also that Reimu will have to execute Kosuzu if she goes too far in her readings.

This suddenly makes the presence of Mamizou there much more sinister. The Tanuki could be trying to push Kosuzu to youkaidom just to see what Reimu will do. This of course supposing ZUN even decided to take FS out of the current episodic format.

>>13141279
I don't think she's really the type.

>>13141358
Why so surprised.

>>13141715
x2

>>13141464
Yeah. The village is Gensokyo's reservoir of belief. If they start seeing their neighbors turning into youkai, that's a lot stronger example than some weird girl from the forest who already rides a broom and shoots magic. What if a bunch got together and demanded the right to youkai immortality?

I think this bit is definitely here to spell out the stakes for Kosuzu. But there's no way that ZUN/Reimu will have the heart to execute such a little cutie.

I didn't know Reimu owned a cap.

>>13141779
What's stopping her, exactly?

>>13141464
Except Byakuren was a villager that turned into a youkai too. Did you forget that's the reason she got sealed?

>>13141464
>but specifically being a human villager that tries to become one
Dracula fully became a jinyou, Reimu said "jinyous gon die".

>>13143481
Not a /Gensokyo/ villager. Aren't you paying attention?

>>13143497
Oh now you're just being desperate. Again, Byakuren was hated for her actions back then, meaning the stigma has always been there. Also the rule is jinyous, not "only specifically villagers and only the ones from gensokyo" because Reimu says jinyous disrupt the balance and cannot be allowed to exist.

>>13142346

As far as I can tell, she has no reason to become one. She just wants to read her books.

>>13138686
Die monster, you don't belong in this world.

Tiny chest miko LMAO

>>13143758
she's the only one with ZUN-drawn breasts alongside Raiko, also Reimu wears a bust-hiding sarashi so it's even bigger than it seems.

>>13143549
No, the "rule", as Reimu states it, is specifically villagers from Gensokyo.

>>13138686
It's not murder when he's not actually dead yet. You'll have to play ulil to finish the story.

NEKO MIKO REIMUUUUUUU
AI SHITERUUUUU

>>13143549
You don't get it. Gensokyo can't exist with only youkai inside, probably because eastern notions of balance that ZUN keeps alluding to.

So it not only needs humans, but it needs some "humanity" living inside the border. "Humanity" means humans living as humans, doing human things: growing food, having babies, dying from old age, and specifically "fearing youkai".

"villagers becoming youkai" is actually awesome to Gensokyo, as long as it happens outside their borders. But if this happens inside and goes unpunished, it leads to other humans thinking they can get away with stop belonging to humanity, and suddenly the balance implodes.

TIL Zounose was right all along.

>>13144490
>TIL Zounose was right all along.
Go away secondary.

>>13144509
Cry all you want, but deep in your heart you know it's true. :)

>>13144490
Human meat tastes awful though. We are of the same flavor as scavengers.

>>13144490
Claiming it's true doesn't make it true.
Zounose's bullshit has been proven false all over again. The fact that you claim it to be true proves that you're a newfag freshly escaped from MotK.

>>13136990
Nyeeeooom.

You guys are noisy.

>>13144628
>BULLET BEES ARE EATING YOUR FLESH

>>13144638
Who are you quoting?

>>13144611
Some Zounose stuff can take place in the future (Sakuya adding her leg to SDM's meat locket) but nothing there is explicitly untrue. Go ahead and try to contradict anything they wrote with official sources.

Protip: You can't

>>13144638
Reimu hates bees. Ever get stung in the armpit or...kneepit? It sucks. Like that boss.

>>13144490
What are they doing to Bucket-chan!?

>>13144490
>Gensokyo can't exist with only youkai inside
This has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
>But if this happens inside
What difference does it make if the jinyou or someone else says they're a jinyou, like how Byakuren is? It still gives humans the idea either way.

>>13144010
For the 3rd time, Byakuren also had the same stigma, obviously it refers to any jinyou unless Reimu goes and says ''no no, ONLY the ones from Gensokyo, the others are okay nowadays.

>>13144490
>>13144611
>>13144656
There's nothing true or untrue about it. It's just an extrapolation of canon rumours. It's a doujin, not canon. It can never BE canon. Why care?

>>13145090
Because the secondaries keep on repeating that "it's totally true, I swear on me mum, I never read the books but Zounose books' are daaaâaaark and edgy unlike the cute stuff so it must be true !!!".

>>13145099
I do like Zounose's works, and I enjoy the feeling of mystery and danger they contain. In my opinion, it simply isn't Gensokyo without at least a bit of that danger. But in the end it isn't true: it can't be true, just because Zounose wrote them, and not ZUN. If everyone simply remembers this then there is nothing to worry about.

>>13145118
I think you missed the part about secondaries believing Zounose's works to be canon.
It's okay if you're aware it's just bullshit, but you're the exception.

>>13145124
I think to a certain extent these "secondaries" are baiting you. And even if they're not, I expect they're sixteen-year-old girls who don't post on /jp/. They'll grow up and adopt a more moderate stance eventually, but you will breathe a lot easier when you realize they're not 'harming' Touhou.

And of course canon is delightfully ambiguous on the whole man-eating thing, which is what makes Zounose's works possible in the first place. They take the suggestions of hidden darkness and run with them.

>>13145124
Really? I don't think I've ever seen anyone claiming Zounose's books to be canon.
It's been argued that they're closer to what Gensokyo is really like than a lot of books, which is probably true. Is that what you mean?

>>13145139
>I don't think I've ever seen anyone claiming Zounose's books to be canon.
>>13144490
Not so much canon but saying ''he was right'', which is also wrong, extremely wrong.

>>13145139
>I don't think I've ever seen anyone claiming Zounose's books to be canon.
I suppose you don't often visit Danbooru then.

you nerds could at least post Reimu pictures while you argue.

>>13145145
Danbooru comments are like Youtube comments. Just don't acknowledge them.

Let's be clear, anyway: what exactly is it that people take to be canon from Zounose's books that isn't canon?

>>13145152
Gensokyo being grimdark.

>>13145152
You mean beside Sanae being cannibal, the tengus taking human tribute from the village, the kappas making canned food out of human, or even the youkai eating people?
Gee, I dunno. Maybe all of them.

>>13145156
That's not very specific.

>>13145160
>or even the youkai eating people?
But that is canon. It's just left extremely vague as to how many of them actively indulge in it. Last I remember it's the Scarlets and Rumia who're confirmed for doing it, Kisume who'd probably do it, Kogasa and the ex-human/demi-humans who are confirmed not to do it.

>Sanae being cannibal, the tengus taking human tribute from the village, the kappas making canned food out of human
I sure hope nobody actually believes these to be canon events. Those people are certainly wrong.

>>13145171
>But that is canon
Then question.
At the end of IN, it's said that "human exterminate youkais, and that youkai eat humans."
Yet, Mystia is saw again in PoFV, Keine is saw again in the Extra Stage, Marisa too, Tewi, Reisen, Eirin and Kaguya are also still alive.

So, if the part about human exterminating youkais is bullshit, why do you believe the part about youkais eating human to be real?

And last time I checked, Rumia tried to eat people. Emphasis on "tried". I wish I could use italics.

>>13145147
>not recursively filtering /secondar(y|ies)/i

>>13145185
That's a good point. It's stated somewhere in the literature that nobody gets exterminated and nobody gets eaten, only mockeries of these two events take place. But I don't think ZUN wants to commit to that or he'd stop writing stories about actually nasty youkai cropping up in his manga stories.

>Emphasis on "tried".
Besides that note about human villagers having impressive spiritual power, I'm not sure what exactly would be stopping her.

>>13145197
She can't see shit.

>>13145197
These are the exceptions.
Plus the one killed are apparently always outsiders. They're fair game if most suppositions are right. Emphasis on "suppositions".

>>13145248
Yes, the books say the outsiders who glitch into Gensokyo are the ones eaten unless they reach Reimu's shrine to which she'll help em out and integrate them into the human village, said survivors are said to be popular because of their modern knowledge.

>>13145160
Youkai eating people is simply canon. You can sperg all you want about it, but the older and newer written materials are explicit about this, not to mention the in-game dialogs. Nowadays, the eaten ones are outsiders.

>>13145143
I was totally baiting you there, picking a scene from their most disturbing doujinshi to date. Still, shit like that is closer to stuff that historically happened in places where people actually believed in the japanese equivalent of the Good Folk and followed old school religions (Zounose's Suwako is pretty much a greek or old semitic deity, always hungry for some sacrifice meat).

FS, and in a lesser degree, WaHH, have been showing a bit of that violence happening in-panel, first with Marisa destroying that animal youkai, this time with Reimu killing a humanoid one. This alone should dispel the idea that Gensokyo is a harmless place where youkai are just humans with funny hats or ears and conflicts are resolved with fireworks and everybody has tea afterwards.

>>13145147
Done. :)

>>13145185
"Exterminate" vs youkai can mean something like "banished" or "exorcised", so I think that even in the old times, sometimes youkai simply returned some time after their extermination. [Citation needed]

Then in the windows series, Reimu came with the idea of Danmaku, and then a lot of conflicts in Gensokyo changed from "casting deadly spells at each other" to "magical dodgeball". The youkai are going with it for exactly the same reason the humans are: It's just safer that way. During the entire windows series, no youkai is actually exterminated and no human hero is killed (the bad ends are all "and then Reimu returned to the shrine and sulked for some days").

>>13145329
>that Gensokyo is a harmless place
It is for the youkai that aren't nasty looking monsters, i.e: the ones that don't matter and should be destroyed cause they aren't cute girls.
>Reimu came with the idea of Danmaku
Spellcard rules you mean. Danmaku was already there.

>>13145318
Most of them return to the outside world, a few of them stay in.
The few captured by youkai are eaten after a few days, once the youkai are bored of them.

>>13145329
>Youkai eating people is simply canon
Your headcanon =/= touhou canon.

>I think that even in the old times, sometimes youkai simply returned some time after their extermination
You're mistaking "seal" and "extermination".

>This alone should dispel the idea that Gensokyo is a harmless place where youkai are just humans with funny hats or ears and conflicts are resolved with fireworks and everybody has tea afterwards
You mean the idea that it canonically happens in every game, even with villains trying to destroy Gensokyo?
People fighting with fireworks and having tea isn't some secondary headcanon, it is canon. Go play the game for once.

>>13145357
>Most of them return to the outside world, a few of them stay in.
>The few captured by youkai are eaten after a few days, once the youkai are bored of them.
Where did you get ''most'' and ''few'' from? And that thing about youkai getting bored of them? I cannot find that on the book.

>>13145340
>Spellcard rules you mean. Danmaku was already there.
You're right.

>>13145365
In Akyuu's book.
> If an outsider has the luck to reach the human village, they can be returned safely to the outside world if they go to the Hakurei Shrine.
> However, there are also rare cases where outsiders settle into Gensokyo.
>RARE CASES

Also
> Most outsiders that get caught by youkai either get eaten at once, or get eaten once the youkai lose interest in them.
Write that down, because I'm not returning to the wiki again. Leomodesto's shitty doodles are too much for me to bear.

>>13145194
>not filtering .*

>>13145388
I don't know where does it say ''few captured by youkai''. Hell it even says that the ones who reach the village are the lucky ones.

>>13144628
[pleasured moans]

>>13145396
Read your post again you nimcompoop.
>Most of them return to the outside world, a few of them stay in.
>Where did you get ''most'' and ''few'' from? And that thing about youkai getting bored of them? I cannot find that on the book.
I explained why "a few of them" stay in Gensokyo.

>>13145406
Read YOUR post again.
>>13145357
>The few captured by youkai
>The FEW

>>13145410
Read YOUR post again.
>>13145365
>>Most of them return to the outside world, a few of them stay in.
>>The few captured by youkai are eaten after a few days, once the youkai are bored of them.
>Where did you get ''most'' and ''few'' from? And that thing about youkai getting bored of them? I cannot find that on the book.
>>13145388
>> If an outsider has the luck to reach the human village, they can be returned safely to the outside world if they go to the Hakurei Shrine.
>> However, there are also rare cases where outsiders settle into Gensokyo.
>>RARE CASES
>Also
>> Most outsiders that get caught by youkai either get eaten at once, or get eaten once the youkai lose interest in them.
Dumb fool can't remember which "few" he's talking about.

>>13145418
>Dumb fool can't remember which "few" he's talking about.
Are you blind? Did you not notice ''>>The few captured by youkai are eaten after a few days, once the youkai are bored of them.'' in >>13145365? Do you think I can only talk about one ''few'' at a time?

>>13145425
So you want a clear definition of "a few days" then?
Maybe 4-5, I dunno. Until getting food for the outsider becomes a chore.
Geez, I don't know, I never kidnapped anyone, okay?

>>13145433
I want a clear definition of ''the few captured by youkai'' which you very well know you made up, since instead it's the very opposite as Akyuu says that the ones who survive are the lucky ones.

>>13145442
So according to you, "luck" only belongs to a minority. Interesting, that says a lot about you.

>>13145449
It wouldn't make sense to call someone lucky if what happened to them was something that happens to the mayority.

>>13145357
>headcanon
you keep using this word, I'm not sure if you know what it means.

More conflicts happen in Gensokyo than the ones shown in the games. There are other conflicts that, as seen in FS and WaHH, are resolved with old-time deadly magic. Why do you have a problem accepting that?

Spellcard rules just means that Reimu doesn't need to worry about the likes of Aya, Youmu or Remilia removing her head before she even realizes she's under attack, not to mention giving her any chance at all against people with truly broken abilities like Kaguya, Yuyuko or Flandre.

Spellcards incidentally save the lives of youkai that Mystia, Meiling or Kogasa, but the main point of them is to reduce shrine maiden mortality.

>>13145458
You don't know.
Maybe the youkai have a really horrible way of killing someone, and anything else might be considered lucky.
>mayority
What the fuck?

>>13145471
>More conflicts happen in Gensokyo than the ones shown in the games
Source where?
>the main point of them is to reduce shrine maiden mortality
No, their point is to reduce HUMAN mortality.
Read the book again.

>>13145483
He obviously mistyped "majority" anon, stop being autistic.

>>13145486
I'm not English. If you don't speak proper English, I won't understand.

>>13145483
>You don't know.
Now you're just scratching the bottom of the barrel, what other possibility can you gather from ''If an outsider has the luck to reach the human village''? Don't argue using your own mindless assumptions.

>>13145483
Not only do you not have any hint whatsoever about the ones being eaten by youkai being ''few'' but you also retardedly attempt to discard the obvious hint that it's not few at all.

>>13145492
>>13145498
I don't see you proving me wrong.
And except using childish insults to hide your anger at my superior reasoning skills, can you two debate, or should I just give up on wasting my time on you?

>>13145483
>>More conflicts happen in Gensokyo than the ones shown in the games
>Source where?
Really? I understand now that English is not your first tongue, but come on.

Protip: This was a conflict. It wasn't solved with fireworks. Guy didn't have tea with Reimu afterwards, because he was destroyed.

>>13145519
>implying mangas are canon
can you be more secondary than that

>>13145527
>implying they aren't.
Please tell me you're not serious.

>>13145527
>>13145543
Please do not imply in greentext on /jp/!!

>>13145557
Hi >>13145519. How are you coping with the fact that you're wrong?

>>13145559
Not that guy actually, just a bystander /jp/sie.

>>13145559
>wrong
This is a strange misspelling of "right". As for being right, it's a great feel.

So that you know, the only manga that's explicitly not canon is the Inabas one, with it being a joke series where ZUN just told the author the general plot and let her go wild.

Every other manga is by ZUN himself, making it as canon to Touhou as anything else he does with the series: Games, books, emails, etc.

Any fantasies that the written series exist in another canon / aren't canon relative to the games should have been dispelled by TH7.5, when Marisa says she needs to show something to Kourin. Try to keep up with the times!

>>13145506
>I don't see you proving me wrong.
You don't even have proof of your point whatsoever, meanwhile there's proof of the opposite, in the survivors being called lucky.
>And except using childish insults to hide your anger at my superior reasoning skills, can you two debate, or should I just give up on wasting my time on you?
Oh you're just joking, carry on then.

>>13145589
>implying Tasofro games are canon

>>13145604
>being this butthurt

>>13145519
he was a traitor, and a man, that will never happen to the characters people actually care about, look at byakuren, people just forgot she's a cowardly traitor too.

>>13145606
Tasofro games named "Touhou <number>" are canon, because ZUN writes the story. When they do Super Marisa Land or whatever, it's not canon. It's not even hard to understand.

But sure, go ahead and try to explain how they're not canon when their events are mentioned later in the written materials, and the characters they introduce appear in the main series afterwards.

What's the best Reimu theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvfC2iYjkNw

>>13145660
Does Reimu know how to play any instruments besides the sake bottle?

>>13145966
And by play the sake bottle I mean drink.

>>13145966
Learning an instrument would give her something to do. That would be nice.

>>13146022
Something to do? You mean work?

Completely different anon here. This argument about outsiders getting into Gensokyo is dumb, you're just nitpicking what each other are saying instead of just going back to the source.

Currently, the translation is "Most outsiders that get caught by youkai either [...]", "If an outsider has the luck to reach the human village, [...]", and "However, there are also rare cases where outsiders settle into Gensokyo". These three lines as is say basically nothing about what the typical case is, besides implying that reaching the human village is "lucky". One of the above anons was arguing that this implies most cases don't make it, and from english use of "luck" then that might be a pretty reasonable assumption, but japanese use of 運良く isn't about the actual probability or anything. It's about "fortune", or just the beneficial outcome; i.e. the outsiders are fortunate to be able to make it to the human village. "Luck" might not be the best term since it suggests something that happens against poor odds.

The next term 辿り着く can either just mean "finally arrive at" or contextually can also mean "managed to get there", implying hardship. If anything this is the most ambiguous part, but I would also say that just finding a safe place after being stranded is reason enough to use the term.

In other words, all that these passages describe are certain scenarios, rather than claiming what happens to typical outsiders. Moreover, a minor point, but the Gensokyo Chronicles are both meant as a safety guide for humans and as an ego-booster for youkai, and extremes are usually exaggerated. While violence certainly exists in Gensokyo, it isn't as though youkai instantly become super vicious monsters as soon as they find something unprotected by Gensokyo's rules.

>>13145329
Zounose is smuggest 2hus

>>13147399
Zounose is a hack that only secondaries and edgelords like.

>>13147407
>Zounose is a hack that only secondaries like
This is tautologically true for all creators of secondary work.

>>13147421
At least other creators of SECONDARY works aren't constantly complimented as "sticking close to canon".
Zounose is, despite his lack of cute girl having tea together in his grimdark end edgy stories.

>>13146388
Every argument is dumb because the wiki and translations are garbage. No one who knows better wants to rewrite the entire thing and everyone who's tried gets killed by democracy; the other side of the coin is those who take everything literally and can't understand context. It can't be helped.

>>13147454
>No one who knows better wants to rewrite the entire thing and everyone who's tried gets killed by democracy
I was ready to call bullshit on that, but then I remembered how I was called a nazi for trying to change things in One Yukkuri Place, so you may not be lying.
And if it's true, then it's really sad.

>>13147458
>ability to the extent of

>>13147466
What's the full story behind that?

>>13147476
A Japanese guy wanted to change "manipulation of" to that to clarify that a character is powerful enough to perform their stated ability, and not that the ability is the only literal thing they can do as stated.
That was a shitstorm.

>>13147497
That clearly wasn't a big enough shitstorm if that shit was still around for months.

>>13145340
I think this should be made into a banner.
>you thiink they'll always be there
>both moot
>and 4chan

>>13145660
All of touhou 1.

You guys are exhausting to listen to.

>>13147533
Just for you Anon.

>>13147580
Thank you.

>>13147580
Good morning, uddick.

>>13147454
>the wiki and translations are garbage
While there's some pretty poor translations, especially when dealing with older translations, it's still the best source the english fandom has since it's the only place where things are even attempted to be worked on. We can keep calling the wiki garbage because it isn't perfect, but that's a really piss-poor generalization. Literally every time I hear this people aren't willing to just go fix the problems they see.

>No one who knows better wants to rewrite the entire thing and everyone who's tried gets killed by democracy
It's a shitton of work. I fix things where I can, and usually it doesn't take much editing to better reflect the original text since the problematic areas are usually pretty small, rather than whole sections. I know I'm sitting on a bunch of articles that are in dire need of total purging. The aversion to large-scale changes you're talking about is usually when making modifications that affect a large number of pages, I find. Sometimes when people don't even bother trying I'll even do it for them and be fine.

>>13147476
>>13147497
He actually isn't japanese, contrary to what many people figured. He kept talking about native translations and his english was awkward so people assumed he was japanese, but he isn't. The shitstorm was for many different reasons and it just boiled over with the ability thing. He couldn't see anything besides his way, so he would stubbornly argue forever, make huge decisions and implement them without consensus (even when consensus was against him), all over the wiki with OCD speed and persistence; this made him super dangerous and remnants of his edits stayed around for ages after his privileges were disabled. He was nuts. The real troublesome part was that he was pretty knowledgeable and often raised good points, so it wasn't as if he was a shitposter that they could just ban.

>>13148730
Frankly, I just disagree with the way the wiki is run almost in entirety. Translations are just a symptom of deeper problems. I won't bother treating symptoms.

I'm not that anon who complained about democracy, but I can guess what he's talking about (wouldn't call it democracy, though). The reason the "ability to the extent of" guy was able to rampage freely was because he utilized the site's circlejerk to the fullest. Making an edit is meaningless, but make a talk page comment first, get a few regulars who have no useful skills but hang around the site as a hobby to say "uh huh, I guess, if you say so", and then you not only have a "consensus" to hide behind, you have an army of "senior editors" to defend it. They agreed on it, after all, and it made them feel useful.

>>13147445
>grimdark
You keep using this word, etc. I don't remember Zounose making a story with a depressing end. There are depressing stuffs happening, but people are still surprisingly light hearted there.

>>13147497
You mean the guy who wanted to change it to "ability to the extent of" or something? Because that's an awkward phrase that is technically more accurate but will not be understood by any native English speaker in the sense that he intended. Maybe "possesses power enough to manipulate X", or even more intuitively "capable of manipulating X".

>>13148730
>Literally every time I hear this people aren't willing to just go fix the problems they see.
The people who are able aren't willing, the people who are willing aren't able. Isn't that how it always goes?

>>13149658
I understand why people have an issue with 'circlejerky' sites like the wiki, but the only alternative is to set up one's own dictatorship. Because no one person fully represents the wishes of the community, this dictatorship will always have flaws in addition to its strong points. People will support it for doing a few things better than the wiki does, but at the same time people will criticize it for its owner's intransigence regarding certain areas of concern. And because the owner is not open to discussion, it becomes a dead end. If you want an example, consider that mega-autist nmlgc who rejected all external opinions to run the show how he wanted. Because of his autistic lack of compromise the few things he did achieve were drowned out by all the things he got wrong and refused to change. And so nobody benefits. Withdrawing from other people isn't the answer. All we can do is to believe in our communal ability to solve problems. I think it's worthwhile to try.

>>13149899
If someone calls a Touhou depiction 'grimdark' they just mean 'more depressing than my personal Gensokyo'.

>>13149913
>"capable of manipulating X".
Oh, oops, looks like they already went and changed it to this. Just shows you how out of the loop I've been and how long it's been since I did a wiki crawl.

>>13149899
>>13149922
Why do you pretend to be someone else? Are you that lonely?

>>13147695
Good evening Anon.

>>13150046
What are you talking about?

>>13149913
>Withdrawing from other people isn't the answer.
You should explain that to the wiki people. Not that it'll work, I tried. From the very start, back when they disallowed anonymous editing.

Did something happen to thcrap?

>>13150093
I'm not convinced that disallowing anonymous editing is a bad thing. It doesn't lock anon out, only people who refuse to step outside anon. I don't think it's optimal, but if it helps stop people from making guerrilla edits to pages I'm not against it.

It's not that thcrap ran into problems, thcrap is the problem.

>>13150110
>I'm not convinced that disallowing anonymous editing is a bad thing.
Even after what happened with the wiki?

First they disallowed anonymous editing.
Then they disregarded any outside opinion.
Then they disregarded any opinion of people who registered just to speak out an opinion.
Then they disallowed account creation entirely unless you fraternize with an admin.

Seriously what the fuck.

>thcrap is the problem
Let's see. It's run by insufferable jerks, like the wiki. It seemingly produces competent translations, unlike the wiki. I'd say they're much less of a problem, frankly, did I miss anything?

>>13150172
Yeah, that's raising the barriers to the point where it causes issues of its own.

Can't you just write to an admin and go "Hello, I'm such-and-such, I'd like to contribute to the wiki"? Do they only let big-shots or Japanese-literate people in or something?

>Let's see. It's run by insufferable jerks, like the wiki. It seemingly produces competent translations, unlike the wiki. I'd say they're much less of a problem, frankly, did I miss anything?
I agree with you in that the final product is what's most important, but thcrap is a clumsy, clumsy tool with questionable intentions behind it. There is really no reason for an end-user to "automatically" patch their translations.

As far as I know, the thcrap translations are more or less identical to the current state of the wiki translations. Am I wrong on this? I thought half the point was that they'd be the same.

>>13150189
>Can't you just write to an admin and go "Hello, I'm such-and-such, I'd like to contribute to the wiki"?
Dunno, I tried several weeks ago, still waiting for an answer.
Wouldn't be surprised if you have to suck some guy's cock. Danbooru's review system already work that way : you only get positive reviews if you suck a mod's dick.

>>13150207
That's just how human interaction works. Think about it from the opposite perspective: if you were running a wiki where decisions are made by consensus you'd want to keep the group small, because a large enough group will be incapable of agreeing on anything. Furthermore, you would want to keep out specific types who are interested in argument more than they are in agreement. I'm sure you're well aware of what a pain those people can be when trying to decide on something. That is, you should try and come across as someone who's interested in contributing, in building up a community resource, rather than someone who's interested in expressing their opinion or being right.

I'm not saying you have to suck any cocks, I'm just saying that if you want people to listen to you, confrontation isn't the best approach.

>>13150189
>Do they only let big-shots or Japanese-literate people in or something?
As bad as it sounds, it would actually be an improvement.

I'm sure they'll make you an account if you're being nice (or maybe not, considering >>13150207), but I can only imagine what happens when you tell them "I'd like an account to discuss on the wiki about how it's mismanaged".

>As far as I know, the thcrap translations are more or less identical to the current state of the wiki translations.
I don't know how it looks now, I only really check them out of pure curiosity when the games are still fresh, but in case of both DDC and ISC the trend was thcrap having a decent translation within a day, and the wiki struggling with errors (DDC) or with puthing out anything at all (ISC) for weeks.

>>13150236
>I'm not saying you have to suck any cocks, I'm just saying that if you want people to listen to you, confrontation isn't the best approach.
Bullshit.
There are only two approach :
>sucking the guy's dick and agree with everything he says because fuck thinking by yourself
>ramming your fist in his face.

>>13150243
>I'm sure they'll make you an account if you're being nice
You're wrong, by the way. But come on, keep assuming I treated them like shit.

>>13150250
>keep assuming I treated them like shit
I never did. Please reread my post to clear up the misunderstanding.

>>13150243
>As bad as it sounds, it would actually be an improvement.
The trouble is maintaining a balance between people who know what they're talking about and people who aren't autistic.

>>13150250
>There are only two approach :
>>sucking the guy's dick and agree with everything he says because fuck thinking by yourself
>>ramming your fist in his face.
Just to be clear, you're joking, right? There's ways to express differences of opinion without making yourself sound like an angry shithead.

I'm not saying you treated them like shit, I'm as inclined to offer you the benefit of the doubt here.

>>13149658
I can agree with this somewhat, as a casual editor. There are definitely members that don't seem to edit anything important but use their editing history as weight for opinions. But like >>13149913 says, an alternative would be difficult. The problem as it stands is largely because there aren't enough competent people willing to edit to really make the consensus meaningful. The cliqueyness stands out because only the people who do edit a lot become the de facto consensus.

>>13150093
>Did something happen to thcrap?
nmlgc ragequit and the project is now run by other non-programmers and will likely drive it into the ground without at least some competence behind it.

>>13150236
The main problem at this point is the continued halt on creating new accounts. It's more that you have to go to their IRC and ask, when there have been many examples of people asking and getting no answer because they're idling or something. That's an issue, and the staff seems content to keep it that way.

Please shake it eazzy....

Also,
>It seemingly produces competent translations, unlike the wiki
>in case of both DDC and ISC the trend was thcrap having a decent translation within a day, and the wiki struggling with errors (DDC) or with puthing out anything at all (ISC) for weeks.
There is little reason that the two groups can't work together, or even for thcrap translators to put the effort into translations and touhouwiki using these, and going back and forth. Obviously the reason thcrap translations are on their own wiki is partially because they aren't satisfied with touhouwiki's status and administration, but why there has to be any exclusion between them, especially now since nmlgc left, is beyond me.

>>13150282
Some things can't be changed from outside. If you're an editor, couldn't you vouch for someone you know? I wish I were competent enough to step in here. There's certain things that it's almost outrageous have gone unaddressed for so long. Are they just disinclined to take decisive action?

>>13150261
>Just to be clear, you're joking, right?
Of course I was. I know that stereotypes says that all /jp/ are asocial, arrogant, obnoxious waifufags, but that's just a stereotype.

>>13150282
>nmlgc ragequit
Why did he ragequitted? I love tales of people running away while crying.

>>13152098
>Why did he ragequitted
Why did he ragequit* dammit

I edited some translations on the wiki a few years ago and nobody stopped me.

>>13150046
Obviously he's Zounose himself, desperately samefagging to try and uphold the reputation of his own works that literally nobody else likes.

>>13150207
>Dunno, I tried several weeks ago, still waiting for an answer.
Are you seriously waiting weeks for a reply over IRC? Just ask the channel publicly if there's an admin available. If you don't get a reply ask them again.

>>13152120
No, I sent a mail.

>>13152129
>No, I sent a mail.
To Mamizou? You would probably have better luck in the IRC channel as there may be more than one admin available.

I never had to go through that shit because I made my account before the fence came down. Don't remember the password to my account, though. I'll guess some more after the lock lifts.

>>13152141
I haven't been in this discussion, what is an account needed for right now? I have access to mine.

>>13152141
>admin is named Mamizou
You know a community sucks when the admin and mods are all named after characters.
I still remember that faggot named "Sasuke Uchiha" who managed a small Naruto forum. He was a walking shame generator.

>>13153461
remijam
hong meiling.

>>13155023
Do you know what "admin" and "mod" mean?

What's this? A Reimu thread, derailed by arguments over canon? Poor Reimu. She just wanted a thread to herself, and it gets hijacked. She must be suffering.

Her suffering is delicious.

>>13155650
Why did you post a character that doesn't exist?

>>13155650
Yeah, how dare people discuss things?

>>13159632
goddammit ZUN/Twilight Frontier.

>>13159971
Reimu is skilled with her hands!

>>13159978
I'd have to test her hands myself.

>>13159632
Fuck off Tom.

Tha Hakurei god has had enough of Reimu's shit and suddenly strips her powers. How would she handle this?

>>13160613
Nothing. She pulls her sarashi and lands safely on her emergency funbags.

>>13160613
[x] ask yukari to peel your broken body off the forest floor

>>13160613
Whistle for Genjii.

Why is she nice in the games (comparatively) but in the manga she's Hakurei "Pulling the trigger on every youkai nigger" Reimu?

AKA Hakurei "Gensokyo's barrier against the youkai disease carrier" Reimu
AKA Hakurei "Going rambo on the youkai sambo" Reimu

>>13160852
>>13160808
>>13160631
I didn't necessarily mean while she was in the air.
She wakes up one morning and can't fly or seal stuff. What then?

>>13160996
She probably blames Yukari at first, but if that doesn't solve anything, she just throws her hands up at the next incident and ignores it. I don't think she'd run and hide in the village or anything. She's had minor indications of failure with faith/powers/etc before, and she just carried on as best she could.

>>13160872
No male/non-humanoid youkai in the games.

>>13160872
Yeah, I don't know if I like her as
Hakurei "Choke a youk" Reimu
Hakurei "Obake basher" Reimu
Hakurei "Youkai's squealing while I'm sealing" Reimu
Hakurei "One miko militia" Reimu

>>13161009

Yukari shakes her head and takes the next in line

Not like Reimu is actually important in the grand scheme - Gensokyo has existed for at least 1200 years and thus endured probably 100+ Hakurei shrine maidens dying/failing/becoming crippled in some way

Side Slit

>>13161316
I'm pretty sure Yukari would rather have long-lived useful shrine maidens, because it'd be a huge bother if they splattered all over Gensokyo every other month. Besides, you've gotta breed them after a while.

In fact that's one reason why the spellcard rules exist.

I don't understand.
Isn't the youkai forbidden from killing humans of gensokyou because of the devil deal?

>>13136776
This miko is spooky.

>>13160613
The Hakurei god barely exists, safe to say it has no input on Reimu's power and that it's just blood-related like Mima said, also Reimu gets naturally stronger as time goes, even more reason to believe the Hakurei god doesn't do shit.

>>13161775
>The Hakurei god barely exists
Nice opinion, secondary.

>>13161775
>Mima
Nice to know HRtP was just all Reimu, and everything else afterwards that had her using the yin yang orb was all her, and the Hakurei God is utterly useless especially since its the god of her family, and been giving her family blessings for generations.

>>13161775
The Hakurei God resides the the yin yang orb Reimu uses but she does not realise it.

>>13161989
The one that stops her from getting fat?

>>13162008
Now you see how this works. He needs to get nutrition from somewhere, and he's not getting any faith recently.

Why is Reimu such an asshole?

>>13141464
>This suddenly makes the presence of Mamizou there much more sinister. The Tanuki could be trying to push Kosuzu to youkaidom just to see what Reimu will do. This of course supposing ZUN even decided to take FS out of the current episodic format.

It is obvious that Mamizou is trying have kosuzu merge with one of her scrolls to turn her into a scroll tsukumogami that creates Youkai. Which exist in Japanese folklore, along the house tsukumogami that eat people.

>>13162149
Not getting any faith from inside Gensokyo, but what about the outside? Must be a tremendous amount of faith if it can make Reimu invincible on a whim.

I always imagined Reimu being a tsundere cat if she was an animal, but HM told us that she would be a white kitsune.

>>13162523
>Not getting any faith from inside Gensokyo, but what about the outside? Must be a tremendous amount of faith if it can make Reimu invincible on a whim.

The outside world part of the Hakurei Shrine is even worst.

>>13162534
Mankind ill-needs parasites such as youkai. The shrine existed to protect humans from youkai, not because Humanity ever needed them. Yukari's reasoning is warped, because she believes that Mankind needs to fear the night.

Well met and good riddance.

Finally, we will escape the prison of our delusions, and the Beautiful Night will embrace us all!

>>13162526
A kitsune is a fow with several tails. Reimu only has one. Learn your mythos you fucking newfag.

>>13162575
You are both wrong and ignorant. Kitsune is a common word for fox, not a mythological being like oni or tengu.

>>13162593
Where's your source?
Oh wait, you don't have any.

You can't decide what words mean, Anon. Grammar doesn't work that way, sorry to burst your bubbles.

>>13162633
狐 = Fox. Not mythological.
九尾の狐 = Nine tailed fox. Mythological.

Come now anon. This is required /jp/ membership knowledge.

>>13161834
Great counterargument.
>>13161842
Yes, there's absolutely nothing saying the hakurei god does jack fucking shit and the fact that it barely exists right now (being only able to express that it's angry which is only detectable by extremely sensitive people, so far only Byakuren), meanwhile Mima says Reimu's power comes from her blood.
>>13161989
That's not a god, it's just a spirit, pic related.

>>13162633
>Where's your source?
http://jisho.org/kanji/details/%E7%8B%90
Hope this helps