/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>12943731
First for cute little sisters

On average, how often do you get offspring on your ranches?

For some reason I'm not getting any past one in a year with a rabbit in the newest E+.

>>12944028
>a year with a rabbit
What is that, a new feature?

>>12944053
A year with a rabbit as my breeder.

I used to get more children with pets that had a lot less breeding power in a couple months in the last version I played.

>>12944063
oh, i get it...

farming rabbit tails? i heard that mining forest dungeons brings more luck.

how is elona+ coming along? japs seem to take years to do anything.

>>12944003
First for cute younger sisters

>>12944101
Updates were coming fast for a while though it's been a couple months now since the last one.

>>12944101
next update will include armor/scroll storing furniture, new races, and food that is automatically shared among pets in your party

wow I love having triple-digit sanity in 10 seconds

I wish all the gold I spent on treasure maps would pay off...

http://pastebin.com/T2RCwdh8

Here's the pastebin. 1.41fix is still the most recent version.

I gave my litte girl casting (for whhen she became a white witch) and my younger lady alchemy (because she throws potions around). did I do right or did i just waste my time?

>>12945887
I remember i chose him for the cute fairy (among the rest), but by the time i got enough faith for the god pet i as tired from a long day in the farm so i forgot to savescum for a female one.

oh ell, i guess the young lady and the littler girl (parent ev heart) should be enough for me. balanced party of 2/2. and the deathscyth is sorta cool (but why bind on a ranged combatant)

>>12945958
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Forbidden_meat

>>12945958
>younger lady
*young lady

>>12945993
oh, i know about it (cuase i kinda regretted for getting a fem char for my previous game) but the items are kinda hard to come by

and the story meat will still take a looong time as I haven't finished the 3 stooges at the north tyris arc

>>12945958
>I remember i chose him for the cute fairy (among the rest), but by the time i got enough faith for the god pet i as tired from a long day in the farm so i forgot to savescum for a female one.

dryas is such a cutie, best god heart ever spent

I plan to copy Rovid, Urcaguary, Amurdad, Arasiel, Garziem, Sinaha, Sophia, and Karavika for their weapons/sprites eventually, leaving only the female android and male cat and exile for me to raise on my own

too bad I'm 90 levels behind on Kumiromi feats and haven't gotten a wish in 100 hours

>>12944822
Seriously?
That's pretty dope if true

>>12945958
I'm pretty sure if you switch deities and go back to Kumiromi – building up faith again – you will get another new cute fairy
So you can still get a female one

Should be easy to do

I wish the midi music would work in Wine.

Running Linux is suffering.

>>12947225
I think any system that isn't XP is suffering
but its hard getting that on modern computers since those usually come with later win versions and installing it can be a drag

Can I make my pets ride other pets? I think of starting a bike gang

>>12944822
>new races
any playable ones?

>>12948318
>>12947143
Sorry, I remembered a bit wrong.

Planned updates for 1.42:
- An item has been added that will automatically return undead minions to their coffins and your inventory after you leave a map. The item itself can hold 15 coffins (with no weight gain) and will store coffins that cause you to be burdened. Coffined minions that are returned to your inventory will be redeployed if there is room in the new map.

- Feather, Holy Shield, Hero, Concentration, and Divine Wisdom will give 10% buffs no matter what the spell level. Spell level will from now on only affect the duration (the growth of which has also been nerfed).

- The four bookcase furniture can now store 100 books, the potion rack 60 potions, and the bread display 20 bread. However, these furniture can only be used in the home or maid mansion, like the freezer.

- Four high level zombie enemies have been added, along with an evolution.

- Added two more unique NPCs to Lost Irva, with precious items.

- Changed the card deck interface a bit

- A cooking/fusion item will be received at the Maid Mansion on the 10th and 20th of each month. This item will teleport all allies to the player and share a stat-boosting meal (includes Speed and Luck). The item on the tenth will have a quality that is the average of the ingredients used, while the item on the twentieth will be of a constant quality. Allies that are interrupted during the meal lose their chance to obtain the growth

- Pet trainers will now give a flat 2-3% boost across all skills and attributes (previously, this had been 1% to 100 random skl/atr). The cost of pet trainers now depends on the Pet's INIT and will never change.

- Added alcohol intolerance. Vomiting and swaying probability will now slowly decrease as a character drinks more in their lifetime. Total drinks can be seen in the journal.

>>12947686
You can tag team them.

>>12948457
>- Changed the card deck interface a bit
Are we getting monster card deck features or does this relate to blackjack?

>>12948603
It's referring to the monster card deck. No features, purely interface.

The card deck as it stands is more like an encyclopedia/bestiary. At best, he's probably just making it look a little more like one. I wouldn't read too much into it.

>>12948457
>Pet trainers will now give a flat 2-3% boost across all skills and attributes (previously, this had been 1% to 100 random skl/atr). The cost of pet trainers now depends on the Pet's INIT and will never change.
YES
FINALLY

>Added alcohol intolerance
This is also amazing

Next ver is sounding great. Also where were you niggers? These threads are like the only reason I still browse this shitty site

>>12948996
>>Added alcohol intolerance
>This is also amazing
How will it be "amazing"? The only reason to drink alcohol is to induce vomiting, which this update will make less viable, and it's not like vomiting was a time-dependent thing that you need to be able to do in battle (which is the only thing that would make the sway/dim reduction useful).

>>12949365
some enemies can throw alchohol at you

>>12948457
>The four bookcase furniture can now store 100 books, the potion rack 60 potions, and the bread display 20 bread.

wait, seriousy? I always thought those ware there just as, you know, decoration. can you rob them in shops as you do with safes and other containers?

>>12950739
No, they'll be like a freezer but for books and potions.

>>12948457
it would be nice if there would be a change that makes bonuses from level up feats be level-based rather than flat unchanging numbers

>>12949365
I don't really like getting anorexia just because some adventurer fuck with beer decides to visit my house

>>12949365
Because adventurers visiting my house and getting me drunk and vomiting everywhere isn't enjoyable. I don't need anorexia.
Neither is having all the deities at my house vomiting over everything.

whats the most effective way to get monster balls?
ive already done the one that gives you 6 free ones and lot of the enemies im fighting would be pretty useful as allies

>>12953456
Go to the monster ball store.
Duh.

>>12953456
i know of 3 ways
1.either the goods store or the general store- you can sometimes find monster balls in them; invest in those in order for a higher level balls
2. can be fused in pot of fusion, but materials can be hard to come by
3. once you reach south tyris, there is a shop in the underground casino that sells nothing but monster balls

alternatively, you can grind for gold coins and get rods of domination- this should be the easiest way for starting characters.

>>12953502
>gold coins
*gold medals

>>12953456
you know, some enemies can simply be bought from the slave trader in derphy (like the nurse, who has cooking if you want to gene engineer it to pets that actually kill things) you might want to check the wiki on that
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Slave_master

the only question is, do you have enough charisma?

What is the toughest challenge in Elona?
Are there any "expert" mods?

>>12953683
The toughest sane challenge is Inferno mode dungeons-only.

>>12953686
as a tourist snail

>>12953691
That's not a sane challenge, anon.

>>12953696
hey, you start with traveling

>>12953713
And a good chance to die before you can act in a random encounter.
I've had TS runs meet a death before I even hit Vernis because of random encounters.

Does anyone have the old default NPC spritesheet from before 1.41?

it took 15 fucking minutes to get to this nigger through the summonknight + holy rain spam

and he now he's unequipping my weapons every other fucking turn

it's like this stage was designed to be infuriating

it took 15 fucking minutes to get to this nigger through the summonknight + holy rain spam

and now he's unequipping my weapons every other turn

it's like this stage was designed to be infuriating

>>12955326
At least you're winning. Imagine what it'd be like to go all that way and find out you didn't have the stats to beat the boss.

>>12954160
you don't like the new one? Why not?

if you are looking for a certain sprite, you could find it in the original elona files and copy-paste the parts that you want

>>12948634
Time to convert.

I see the platinum costs of training and learning new skills have decreased a lot in the newest elona+. How does /jp/ feel about that?

>>12956974
convert from who?

I stopped playing because I got a ps3 for christmas.
will Lulwy sama have mercy when I come back?

>>12957064
Kumiromi.

I originally picked him because I thought he was a hot yandere girl.

>>12957120
Hopefully not. Enjoy your punishment- if you chose her, you probably will.

>>12957124
Well have fun than. but don't get suprised when you get tired much more often than you did till now- i hope you aren't prone to using special ammo and abilities. anyway, how far have you gotten in god gifts with him?

>>12957140
Got all up to the weapon, about to get the thorn in a month of in-game time.

>>12957207
nice. the scyth is an acceptable off-handed weapon and the bonuses are not to shabby.

i think you can pass on the thorn tough.

>>12955922
I'm at the point where I run into King in Yellow pretty frequently and I'm reminded of the (better-looking) old sprite and the stupid faggot from the jap thread who threw a shitfit about its use, just to spite Ano.

Though it is an Elona+ exclusive monster, apparently it's on the wiki page. Should've looked first.

>>12957390
>copyright issues
>on a freeware
i think ive been a pirate for too long because this looks idiotic to me

>>12956978
Training costs look the same as always to me, but I'm glad they cut the cost of learning new skills. It was just a god-awful grind to get all those PP.

>>12957212
The thorn is amazing for training healing/meditation though.

>>12957403
Freeware still has to deal with copyright, alas.

>>12957416
>The thorn is amazing for training healing/meditation though.

i rather go out in my best equipment than keep alts depending on the situation. if there was a shortcut key for changing outfits i might change this policy of mine, but untill than i'm not fond of equipment whose main purpose is hinderance [tough i might one day make a char with all gods 4th gifts (or as many of those one can equip) just for the gist of it(or give them all to the little girl so i could laugh at her)(alright that part was unnecessary)]

>>12948457
- AP gain to speed increased to 20 for the player and 30 for pets.

- Undead followers can be used to technically exceed the 15 pet limit. As in, these are not truly "pets," but obey the "15 followers at one time rule."

15 pets on standby + summon up to 15 undead = OK
15 pets following + attempt to summon undead = NG
15 undead following + attempt to recruit/call pet = NG

>>12957466
if you equip the - magic gift, don't you die instantly of over casting? same deal for trying to move while at -100 strength.

>>12957489
i equipped the magic gift. not only id it not send me to the negatives, my magic stats was still 2 digits, probably from my high itzpalt favor and magic bonuses from other equipments

>>12956978
Just makes the early game a little less painful without changing anything important.

muh artificial difficulty

>>12957723
>spoiler meme
ha ha

>>12956978
It's great, I honestly thought the vanilla costs were too high.

>>12958026
They really were. Choosing race and class such that you got the broadest possible range of starting skills shouldn't have been a good idea, but the stupidly high costs to learn new skills made it appealing.

Speaking of costs, what's everyone's opinion on the cart capacity upgrades? Worth it ever, or are the PP better spent on skills?

>>12958046
skills. bigger cart is useful for
1. traveling marchents, but the only benefit from that is more gold
2. after dealing with banadits, you might end up with more cargo than your normal cart could handle even if at first you didn't carry anything at all. for that, bigger cart will prevent your speed from droping to 10.
3. at certain point, training skills is so costly that it is better done with skill points rather than silver coins- at such a point, you might as well use the medals for cart.

>>12948457
>Feather, Holy Shield, Hero, Concentration, and Divine Wisdom will give 10% buffs no matter what the spell level. Spell level will from now on only affect the duration (the growth of which has also been nerfed).
I translated this wrong because I'm bad at Japanese

>Feather, Holy Shield, Hero, Concentration, and Divine Wisdom will give an additional bonus to their attributes (10% of the base stat). The minimum turn duration has been raised by 10 turns, but the growth of duration has been nerfed.

>>12958316
Neat.

I should really get to using some of those more often, but somehow I'm always inclined to just throw a few more spells/attacks instead of buffing for a turn.

We are talking about Elona right? The Elona where you go into town and play your instrument to try to get experience and money so you don't starve and get creamed by a guard throwing a rock at you right?

>>12958716
Yes.
Being a pianist is suffering.

>>12958745
>playing near guards
you had it coming

>>12958808
I swear they always wander over into my view! Even the villagers... so many rocks...

>>12958745
Once you get to lv30 and have a bunch of pets it becomes super sweet.

Money and medals everywhere.

Just swept the South Tyris Chaos Fort bosses.

Yerleswood is much harder than Siva, but wasn't nearly as difficult as the wiki article suggests. Just stack PV and be a healing faggot. It helps if you kill the mage idiot first and equip his magic stick to your ranged slot--now you have stupid-long buffs and at least 800 speed with Lityou, which is more than enough to run circles around optimus prime. Grind your Greater Evasion if it's shit.

But holy shit Aile the attendant put up a fight...the wiki article doesn't mention her shining wave spam, which adds up and is almost impossible to alleviate. I was going to go kill Fron right after her, but if she's even slightly stronger...

>>12958561
I always use Divine Wisdom and Concentration before I read spellbooks

I tend to buy them in bulk from the Mages Guild and read them all at once, so it helps things go smoothly

is it worth switching over from magic missile to crystal spear?

>>12959436
Only if magic storm's not an option.

>>12959436
As someone who actually made that very switch, I'd say yes

It's a huge pain at first, but it pays off in higher damage later on.
And the bolt part is very useful when you have a room full of monsters

Crystal Spear and Magic Storm should be your go-to damage dealers when using spells. Magic Dart is great for earlier in the game, but Crystal Spear is better for late game.
Monsters Everywhere > Magic Storm
One Monster/A Few > Crystal Spear

the little girl is too strong compared to the other starting pets. is there any way to balance things out?

>>12962611
she costs like 1000 gold from a slave trader, not like it's hard to get a little girl.

>>12962724
What if i don't want one?

For a melee-centric character using multiple weapons is there a clear choice between medium and heavy armor? The wiki gives almost no details regarding the special armor abilities. Is going heavy armor for the super armor ability worth it?

>>12962730
If you get tired of the little girl you're probably at the level where starting pet won't matter much.
Just get any pet you want instead and gene engineer it to your liking.

a bit late but
>>12953696
What about that /rlg challenge? I mean the Mutant race/any class/Inferno with only mutant pets except the starting one that you ditch for a mutant. Of course, no savescuming.

>>12962730
>not wanting a little girl
>>/out/

>>12962730
>not wanting a little girl
it's time to leave

>>12962926
if you are going heavy armor you can equip some very heavy equipment, like balistas and bardishes

>>12963075
i just feel bad for my later waifu
besides, whats wrong with not wanting the little girl? i still like lolis in general, im just somewhat tired of this one.

>>12962926
If you're going the multiwield route? How many weapons? Do you intend to go above 13 slots? Do you intend to abuse cursed flying scrolls to spike your armor's PV late-game?

With just what you told us so far, I'd say the decision mainly comes down to if you intend to use magic often. If so, go medium for +spellpower skill. If not, go heavy for crazy PV.

Does casting hard cap depending on penalties? For example if I were to make a priest with medium armor would I be unable to go past 92% success rate regardless of casting level?

>>12963974
Correct. Penalties are absolute. Only way to mitigate them is the warmage class ability.

>>12964636
Thanks anon

DUEL GLOVE WHEN

is there any benefit from rising relettionships with npcs, besides being able to astral pen them? do higher relation npcs less likely to notice you stealing, throw stones at you when preforming, or easier to trade with for their items in inventory or shop?

>>12965216
NEVER
USE PICKPOCKET

HAHAHAHA

ELONA QUIZ!

You have been teleporterd to an npc for a quest, but said npc is sleeping. what would you do?

1. pass the time by doing something else, like another ques, cooking some fruits, reading spell books in my inv etc
2. whistle him awake. time waits for no one, nor do I.
3. bash him awake. I don't have a whistle :(
4. check if he has worthwhile loot
5. start preforming. it will wake him up, train my performance and get me some gold! 3 birds, one piano.
6. give up on it, too much trouble
7. other:________

>>12965890
>2. whistle him awake. time waits for no one, nor do I.

>>12965890
Bash him awake, the only penalty is 1 karma which I'm about to earn back.

>>12966069
What if they fall asleep again while you're at the quest map?

>>12966080
>quest map
Bash him again, farming quests suck and it's not like karma is a non-renewable resource.

>>12965890

Bash the fucker, I don't have time for this shit.

>>12965890
Check it's stuff. Steal something heavy only to train pickpocket. If that didn't wake him and the quest board has plenty of other stuff to do, do those. If the board is empty and the quest I'm trying to do is everything else but performing do an ensemble. If it is performing bash him.

>>12965890
7.Summon monsters. you can sleep when you are dead, punk.

not quite what I wanted

>>12966593
lol

isn't it better to take such monsters to the ranch?

>>12966603
I'm more than 80 levels under that thing. My dominate spell is only lvl 92 and it's a bit late to run back and start investing in the pokeball shop.
Not to mention I get about 4 to 6 putits a month from a ranch and that's a lvl 1 critter. I doubt this lvl 150 thing would make babby anytime soon.

>>12966603
that must have like 0.1 breeding power.

>>12966684
we really need to have such stats in the wiki

Is there any reward or bonus for having the highest fame among the NPC adventurers in your game? I'm at 160k and bandits are getting to be a slight nuisance now.

>>12966992
other than a sense of pride? not much

i wish the elona+ people will do something with the town boards. it's such a tease to have a half finished feature in the game.

>>12965852
):
>>12965890
You could wait easily by pressing F3, it's a really good way to pass time when you need it

>>12966069
>>12966088
>>12965925
>not having wicked feat
it's like you don't even pickpocket

>>12967052
i like having positive karma
i do some foul crimes, from slavery and pedophilia to murder and cannibalism, but i like to pretend my char has some decency in him still.

is there a release date for next ver?

>>12966615
>>12966603
A monster put in a ranch will always breed another monster after 15-30 days, regardless of breeding level.
Only once though, after that, I recommend killing the second one, taking the monster out, leaving the map, and then bringing it back. This is how you get easy corpses that give resistances.

Not sure if any of the "god" monsters will breed themselves though and not just spit out a lower level creature.

>>12967376
>Not sure if any of the "god" monsters will breed themselves though and not just spit out a lower level creature.

why not, as long as its not a unique instance of the monster or a special one

Why are adjacent enemies' gauges being reduced randomly? What effect is causing this?

So I just recently found out that the Defender can use lay on hands on the player themselves to revive them if they die.
That's awesome

Post your stats.

>>12968544
I wish I knew why riding turns my character into a caucasian

Could somebody explain the benefit of using "disturbs your growth" equipment to not level up? I don't get why you wouldn't want more levels.

>>12969517
it's a vanilla thing. In vanilla, your level determined how strong enemies were, not your fame. It's completely useless if you're in elo+, aside from grinding your learning to extreme heights to get a ton of skill points per level.


It's not very efficient though.

>>12969517
I think it's for suppressing your level on your gene mutant so that they stay low level to minimize the number of slots they have (mutant gains slots per 3 levels) and get to Dr Gavela and get as many slots as allowed by before leveling like normal.

The reason is this is because Dr Gavela will not add more slots past a certain amount so by getting to him with low amount of slots you maximize the number of slots you have before you add even more through leveling.

>>12968544
sure why not.

I've been seeing some mimics in some dungeons recently. They act like immobile bells in that they take reduced damage and disappear after a little while. Have they been recently added?

>>12970508
They've been in Elona+ since the first few versions of it.

In fact they're an integral part of one of South Tyris's dungeons even.

my second farm already got 2 wandering monsters jumping on me. i never red any books there and i don't have any cursed/it attracts monsters equipment on me or my pets. what gives?

>>12970806
also, i now have there a noyel horse
wtf
ok the farm is near noyel but wtf
how did it get there

>>12970806
>>12971009
Farms spawn wandering monsters from time to time.

>>12971441
>random monsters will constantly come to your farm
...is that what the scarecrows are for? to scare them away?

I get that the shade imitates enemies, but it seems like 50% of the shades I meet have

- Draw Shadow
- Summon Monsters
- Shadow Step
- deal cut damage to attacker (enough to cause hemorrhaging even with anti-bleeding equipment
- suicide on low health

What enemy is this? I don't recall meeting anything this obnoxious.

>>12971527
You're encountering shadows now. Instead of mimicking random monsters the way shades do, they have a random list of traits which commonly include those you mentioned.

>>12971665
That's what I get for not reading the log. I'm usually too focused on not bleeding to death.

should a war break out between the gods of elona, who's army would you bet on?

>>12972017
Itzpalt
+ first god to discover Irva and manages to establish himself as the leader
+ teams up with Opatos and wins the first holy war in the 2nd era
- exiled from Irva by his own servants in the 3rd era

Opatos
+ favorite god of soldiers throughout history, probably a merciless war criminal
+ earthquaked the fuck out of other religions
- exiled from Irva by his own servants in the 3rd era

Lulwy
+ caused countless natural disasters and inflicted horrible suffering for amusement
- exiled from Irva by her own servants in the 3rd era
- fell in love with a mortal and was tricked by him into killing another god

Jure
+ sparked a mass revolt in the 3rd era, causing the defeat of Lulwy, Itzpalt, and Opatos at the hands of their own servants
+ christlike immortality; comes back to life in the 6th era
- seems to have a tendency to kill herself out of grief better not tell her what happened to her sister

Eyth
+ invincible; only god to emerge from the 6th era/2nd holy war completely unharmed
- did it by sleeping and doing absolutely nothing
- went back to sleep

Kumiromi
+ created an impenetrable sanctuary with Ehekatl during the 2nd holy war
- has no offensive capabilities whatsoever

Ehekatl
+ created an impenetrable sanctuary with Kumiromi during the 2nd holy war
- weak and deformed from birth

Mani
+ tricked a goddess into killing his master and took his spot
+ will probably break the eternal league of nefia and trigger the next holy war
- will probably be betrayed by his own machines if Jure kills herself again

>>12971523
If you're being serious then I'm fairly sure they're just decoration, I've never gotten rid of the million scarecrows that the farm starts with and I've fought a couple random monsters in it

>>12972668
source?

>>12973094
that was a joke, and i implied more scarecrows lower encounter rate

>>12974181
http://elonagather.wiki.fc2.com/

a lore site written by Noa and a few dedicated fans

>>12975159
tnx
>runes everywhere
should have known...

>>12968544
I don't see a reason why not.

>>12975647
why do names of skills appear under the clock?

>>12968544
I seem to be lacking in a few areas compared to some people.

>>12975836
Forgot to post stats

>>12975840
you're good, some just like to brag

playing other races when you're used to playing a fairy is suffering. elemental attacks devastate my anus. how to get resistances? just meat?

>>12975676
it's to keep track of the exp, press * in the skills screen over any skill and it'll display for you

does erb in food train potential for pets?

>>12975859
equipment

>tfw can't stop mining for acorns
help

>>12975859
>>12975925
Yeah, I just gear my characters up to the teeth with his resistance items so element dragons don't gib them, at higher levels weapons tend to have alot of fire/cold and lightning resistances which is nice

>>12976127
Anon, why isn't your gear +10? You're missing out on dozens of easy points of PV and DV.

>>12976102
I do that all the time though
Every so often you get a four leaf clover as a bonus!

>>12976127
>Nothing is blessed
What

>>12975859
there are other ways:
1. lower enemy res with spells/ potions
2. raise own res with spells/ potions
3. get high hp
4. various status ailments like silence and blind.
5. just kill the more problamatic ones before they can do anything.

>>12975859
some mutations also raise res. don't forget to unequip your fairy hat before drinking that evolution potion tough. (or before going to sleep in your happy bed if you are feeling lucky)

>>12959414
>I always use Divine Wisdom and Concentration before I read spellbooks
why concentration?

>>12976195
Presumably because it's reasonable to assume that perception and willpower might have a role in the roll to read a book, though the wiki implies that only literacy skill is a factor.

>>12976137
Not him but acidproof liquid isn't super common

I have several magic shops at rank 700 and for some reason I see it way less than potions of potential, flying scrolls, and wizard's harvest books

>>12976137
>>12976146
I have 9 different party members I'm working on gearing, the picture I put up being one of them, so getting 115 bottles of water, dozens of acid/fireproof liquids and the gold to do all of that would take a while, I'm working on their gear before my own anyway since they aren't as durable.

>>12976505
that's odd. I've got tons of acidproof but I keep running out of fireproof.

rng at its best, I guess.

Elona+ wasn't been updated in while, did something happen to development? I can't into moonrunes. Also does anyone know how to get the omake_remake mod running? I replaced the files on the regular Omake folder, as the readme seemed to imply, but it didn't work.

>>12977595
If you want fire/acidproof, just scum puppy cave. That shit can be found rather easily.

>>12966593
If you were expecting a god heart, the japanese wiki seems to say that not all god enemies drop god hearts and only Element Dragons, Atlas and Five Head Gods do.

http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?%BF%CA%B2%BD%C9%BD

What is this? Where can I play? What version shuld I play? Where's the download?

Alright lets show our hovels!

>>12978319
>Game crashed and I lost my save file because it would constantly ctd on startup
>Never took a screenie of my humble (shit) abode
>Nobody will ever know the time I took to getting my house looking like it did or what it looked like but me
>Started over out of sadness

Why do I live

>>12978258
This game is called Elona. it's a sandboxy rogue-like- rogue-like means its grid and turn based rpg, and sandboxy means you can do a lot of staff instead of following the main quest, like running a farm or nuking a city

full details here
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki

you can play this on a computer. i don't know how compatible this game is with iphones tough.

You should play the latest version, elona+ 1.41.

links should be in the wiki, but in case you having troubles

vanilla elona
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html

e+ 1.41 (links from the japanease site)
http://www1.axfc.net/u/3366902.zip
or
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rjtmd247d6c6uma/ZCkmq9DI6J

more info here
http://pastebin.com/T2RCwdh8
as
>>12945887
said.

tl;dr
just visit
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html
download the normal version, and if you like what you see, go to the pastebin.

>>12978319
>You sit on a throne. You relax as much as you like.
Badass.

What feats do you usually go for after getting the life, luck, speed, mana, natural leader feats? I'm thinking of getting that newish knockout feat to make capturing low levels less of a pain in the ass, but I don't know if the other activate skill feats are any good this late into the game.

>>12979466
Well, res gained by feats (poison and dark) are immune to sleep lose
also accountant and stamine

>>12978129
That's kinda bullshit, but the english wiki has people saying the same about the stag

>>12979466
The stamina feats are vital, in my opinion

And I quite regret taking the knockout feat, I never use it as it's much easier to just cast dominate
Once you have a steady supply of dominate spellbooks and it's at a decent level, knockout seems useless

You should get the sexy feats, because

>>12979466
poison and dark resistance are useful. poison resist is especially useful for fairies and other low lifes.

>>12979466
>>12979531
Knockout is good for helping your pets get AP.

>>12972668
I'm talking theoreticly, who's army should have the advantage over the others?

I just left the void; why did my greater evasion skill disappear?

>>12980638
visit the trainer in the mage guild in lumiest,
either you will be able to learn it again or you won't
whatever the case, this would be an important data for the 1.42 patch (but not for me, im just a fellow player)- or possibly 1.43

bugs are like that.

also, if you can lean it, do learn it- perhaps it will be back in the level you left it. a waste of 15 coins, but stil better than nothing

or just cheat and give it to yourself, if you know how to.

>>12980682
>Name (Offset) Value
>Player 0 Effective Greater Evasion (748) 0
>Player 0 Base Greater Evasion (3148) 147918087

Do I just need to change 0 to 147?

>>12980710
yes. if you don't know which 0 to change, look at the other skills.

...not that i know much at cheating, either.

I just found two living lightsabers on the same floor of a dungeon. I want to make them my main weapons, what should I pick for their level-ups?

>>12982071
I think magic damage and critical are popular.

Why can't a player lay eggs after drinking a love potion? I'm severely displeased by this.

>>12982146
a 100% pierce weapon is still affected by resistances?

How am I supposed to view my pet's stats? I know what level it is, but beyond that I have no idea how to find stuff out about it.

>>12983052
You can get your pet Investigated if you've got some extra cash just lying around.

>>12983052
Gene engineer something into it, doesn't matter what.

>>12983052
in every town there are stooges: identifier, trainer and informer. the informer tells you the pet stats, but he costs 1k (10k in vanilla elona) and it doesn't get cheaper with repetivive uses.

if only there was a spell that could do that...

Miss Vampire is actually really good if you get her early by inheriting evolution items. Did they change her AI recently or something? I read a while ago that her potions had a habit of fucking everyone up including you, but all she's been doing so far is gibbing monsters and spamming heal like a champ.

Tfw fairy
Tfw destined to be shit

>>12983823
3/10, Too obvious.

>>12983091
>>12983104
>>12983107
Thank you. Having to pay or do eugenics stuff just to see the stats of your pets is pretty weird, but I guess that's part of the charm.

i see the elemental hounds have a lot of control magic now, so they don't fry allies when they're pets. now nothing will stop my hound army.

>>12984169

>>12983864
Please explain

>>12984234
Well played, sir.

Fire dragon child is the cutest little fucker.

>>12984239
git gud

>>12984276
I have one in a monsterball at my house just so I never forget how cute and fluffy he seemed. Plus, the @ in his name makes him seem very modern.

I hope sweet homo jackienyusa gets her act together quickly.

>>12985856
You and me both.

I'm in love.

>eat perishable food
>rots as you eat it
>stat down

>>12986630
>eat random slab of meat
>it's from a shining hedgehog

fuck

Anyone happen to remember at what investment level exactly do scrolls of flying start showing up?

>>12986601
A... flame pet?

>>12984239
fairies are among the more apprecated player races due to res

>>12987805
Not to mention that with enough flying scrolls, the only thing they miss out on is good twohand and who gives a fuck when you have two or more hands full of lightsabers.

>>12987805
Fairies are mostly appreciated by rookies who read the wiki which told them that fairy pianists are the best in the late game, while in E+ it's almost the other way around. The resistance and DV bonus makes the early game easier, but they don't make up for the equipment penalty once you start gathering actually good equipment.

>>12987832
>>12987853
so to sum it up
game start: dv, res, and speed makes fairy a good child
mid game: high speed is obsolate due to ap being able to buy speed, need to rely on spirit cloth equipment rather than artifacts, number of pets is reached the cap of 15 for all races now
end game: scrolls of flying means artifacts equipment so the only real weakness of the fairies is no two hand, which is kinda bummer because fairy claymore could be cool

>>12987946
Pretty much, yeah. You do lose some PV due to not getting the weight bonus.
They shine at first, and they shine again if you either cram them full of inherited goodies or spend a ton, but the middle is hell.

>>12988024
but even without equipment, aren't pets enough?

>>12983767
Thanks. I guess I'll get her.

>>12987946
In the late game you have access to the artifact fusion system, and by then what was the fairies' main strength also becomes obsolete due to any race having access to it. It's not hard to get Superb resistance on everything if you stocked up scrolls of gain attribute during all the previous hours of gameplay. Equipment wise, as you say, you can use scrolls of flying to make artifacts usable, but getting anything under 1s weight is a real hassle and I can't see myself doing that with a full set. In my opinion fairy is good for games not intended to get too far or if you can inherit appropriate equipment but otherwise they gradually get outclassed and any strengths that would have justified its selection are lost.

>>12988174
>gain attribute
you mean, gain materials right? by the time you reach lost irva your traveling alone should have made all of your skills at least level 10, and at any rate you probably picked the crafting skills early for stuff like pot of fusion with tokens of friendship, carpentry for common quest rods etc

anyway, same can be said about any race- in the later game, you can buy whatever made this race special. easy start means fairies have better kickoff tough.

>>12988174
Late game Superb isn't good enough.

>>12988196
You need scrolls of gain attribute to use artifact fusion.

>>12988214
oh, I... didn't know that.

I want to play ElonaPlus, but don't know Japanese.

>>12988230
The wiki and english forum includes most of the stuff you need to know to get through the untranslated parts, otherwise you can use good old trial and error, you're not playing inferno or something silly like that are you?

>>12988239
Is it translated? I clicked the link on the wiki next to Elona+ and it redirected me to a japanese site.

>>12988246
there is a downlaod link that anyone can recognize, and the game itself asks you upon startup what languege would you like to play in (and even if it doesn't, you can go to the option menu and change the languege)

>>12988246
Use the dropbox link in the section english-labelled "download" section. The beginning of the game is translated. You will either get bored and quit or know enough about how the game works to not really need the translation before you reach the untranslated parts.

Thinking of making a Junko Enoshima character and decking out the interface top to bottom with Monokuma imagery and focusing on constantly causing trouble for the world. What setup should I use to start? I was thinking something like Yerles/Pianist because of the performance skills (Ultimate Fashionista), but I'm sure there's other ways I could get to where I want to be.

>>12988268
Whatever gives you the most charisma to get as many pets as possible, practice prostitution and do the quest that gives you a feat that basically says you don't give a shit about karma. You could try finding some Monokuma pixel art to replace pet sprites with.

Not sure what kind of weapon she'd use though.

>>12989011
>Not sure what kind of weapon she'd use though.
perhaps the slash joker (a throwing weapon) or the negative edge (an axe)? she could use whip and panty until she get either

Does it matter which pet I talk first when making a tag? Mostly since I'm not sure how it works and I want the lower level pet to keep up somehow.

>>12989479
yes
the pet you talk to will be the left of the tag
i have yet to coonfirm everything (for example, i know a pet in the tg will sometimes protect the other pet from fatal injuries but i lack details) but i know that if the left tag stops time, the pair can still move, and if the right invoked time stop than during the time stop the pair is stuck. i think it means the left in the tag decideds the movement of the tag.

>>12989502
I see, thanks anon (smiley face)

Is tag organisation generally a good idea?

Whose AI and speed does the stack use?

The only mention of it in the wiki changelog seems to be made with google translate and I can't make anything out of it.

>>12943731
>Playing on advancing mode cause I'm a pussy doing a thief build for the first time
>Scrub goblin thief of yacatecht, finally in thief guild by L14 but pickpocket is only at 22
>Fail a steal from the derphy informer
>Mash the arrow key to move the fugg out of there like a proper own fault
>Get double tapped 2 tiles from the map edge cause I'm a retard
>Crawl up
>Rubynus bulletproof jacket I was wearing , and the only respectable piece of equipment I own,is gone
>Karma: -100 from joining the thief guild then getting a better feel for pickpocketing
Life in a word, suffering

Well I guess I didn't want to do dungeons anyway.... So what's the inside track on pickpocket? I know the identify wizards and wizards of elea consistently have rings and amulets. Warriors of elea rarely have panties I heard that medusa/lich often have rings/speed rings. Right now my practical weight limit appears to be about 2s in the day on awake targets. At night it's about 7s. But I can't really get anywhere with it because generic NPC's have garbage and I can't piss off the static NPC's like citizens/shopkeeps too much cause once again, poor outlaw with no healer.
-cont-

>>12990100

I don't see any way derphy will be able to support me so is it time to pack up camp and go mash wait in the puppy cave until I get enough corpse buries to stop being an outlaw. As it stands, it looks like thief is more of a stock fighter that gets extra rings from certain monsters. All the wiki stuff constantly warns against disarming/stealing shields from things you're fighting because they'll stomp you with Two-hand/martial arts. AFAIK as I invest in shopkeeps their stats will rise and gear pool will be better too so yeah woo they have a servants rubynus composite helm of nerve (####) but I'll never be able to steal it in a reasonable amount of time even with waiting 17 nights for him to sleep during 7pm-7am for maxed chances. Then there's that afaik gloves are the only easy source of +pickpocket and it's extremely rare if even possible of an attribute for daggers/leg slots leaving very little ways to prop it up.

At that point it makes me wonder, why not just not be a thief and be a fighter prostitute? I'll get all the money and more than I'd need to buy such an item but I'll have been able to afford absurd levels of investment and enchanting in the process. Even better, I wouldn't have siphoned all that time and plat into pickpocket

Can you guys share tips and your experiences with thief runs?

>>12990100
>>12990105
Being a plain old pickpocket is not a good way to power in Elona. Or even financial stability. Being a plain old anything is a bad idea in Elona. Eventually every character needs to branch out. Either that or become full petmaster.

On the topic of pickpocketing, it's just not a good way of getting equipment besides rings and other low weight equipment. Pickpocketing is more for scrolls and potions and miscellaneous goodies that don't weigh much. Trying to steal kite shields or claymores is just looking for ways to get people to smash your face in.

Also, you probably know this by now from your experience with the rubyness jacket, but you should leave valuable stuff at home if you fear any retaliation from who you're stealing from.

Despite all your troubles, don't give up. The reason why you're not a fighter prostitute is because you decided to be a thief, a thief who pickpockets and even joined the thief's guild, not a prostitute. Your character is who you want it to be. If you want power and wealth more quickly for your character, prostitution is an option. However it comes at the cost of your character's, well, character.

Though I guess you could roleplay your goblin falling on such hard times he resorts to prostitution. He'd put on comically whorish makeup, get shopkeepers drunk to seduce them, then finally lets them do the deed to his small tight goblin anus as he tries to, but fails to hold back the tears from the pain.

Somber thoughts, I'm glad I started a Juere fighter/performer who stuck to honest work and became a famous ensemble performer. Her mom was a notorious whore though who left her many heirlooms to not have to resort to the life she did to support that.

I don't play a thief character but I do use pick pocket and and known that clowns, ninjas, sheepdogs, thief guild members, sheepdogs, and sage of eleas sometimes carry sox for exchanging for scroll of growths of jewels for artifact fusions. Spaghetti monsters always have light saber.

>>12990284
Can you remember any others with consistent valued goods?

>>12990244
How well is your cashflow as a fighter in the sort of early game? I have an actual prostitute at Level 22/135 Charisma and it's getting about 100,000k-200,000k a town in about 1.5 days. On top of that nearly all my purchases are free as I have my home adjacent to palmia so I have 3 magic shops and an inkeep to buy booze piles from and fuck back every gold coin I spend.

>>12990244
You should use a soul spindle and make a gene with that pet so you can fuck your own mom

>>12990300
Don't even remember as my current character is years old now as I remember and forget Elona when playing it, but much lower than what you're reporting as a prostitute.

Generally, I remember getting my gold from bells primarily. If you dungeoned a lot, they showed up a lot. Since Elona+ nerfed performing, gold was far less prominent from party time quests.

Midgame, I remember fishing a lot and cooking sushi as I had a lot of fishing gear. In combination with the machine lure, sushi became extremely easy to sell in the shop.

Being good at killing shit pays off more late game when you can just trivially clear a dungeon and get hundreds of thousands of gold from the boss at the end of it.

You also get the pride that comes from success without being a prostitute.

>>12990317
The notorious whore was the mother/character. You can't use the soul spindle on yourself.

>>12990300
I'm around that level and mostly just do dungeons, hunting and harvest quests with occasional food deliveries if i have it. Nowhere near as much unless i dump materials in carpentery and get loads of barrels/graves.
Also a guard with a summon monsters item has finally caused Palmia to burn and I'm just sitting here reading books

>>12990380
Just learned that the wiki is dicks and the thieves guild does regenerate. I've spent the last half hour robbing members naked, killing them, then stealing everything to sell to the fence. This might work out after all

>>12990348
You can have two moms in Elona though
A female can create a gene with a female NPC

>>12990395
Oh, the other mom. She was the number 1 adventurer of Tyris and carried my whore mom through dungeons and a bit of South Tyris.

There, I realized my whore mom was simply too weak for it and created a gene. At that time, the soul spindle wasn't out or we didn't know how to use it yet I think.

Anyone here familiar with making custom NPCs for Vanilla Elona?

The one I tried making ended up slightly wrong and wouldn't show up as a slave unless labeled as a horse, in which case she was worth 10g to buy and had no items or skills.

For those curious, I was making Sakuya

>>12991276
>Sakuya
>worth 10gp
>no skills
>a horse

sounds like everything went well.

it's kinda sad how it doesn't become night in your home, or rains, or snows, or anything really, it's a bit of a let down since I enjoy all of these things.

>>12990100
>>12990105
pickpocket is for lightwaight items like treasure maps. also, do pick up a teleportion means in case you need to make a sharp exit. also, if you drop something upon your death it might still be there next time you visit that map, and people tend to forget you ware a theif after you exit and renter a map

stealing for the sake of stealing a bad idea even when the conditions are ideal, but there are times when it is recomended: lightwiaight items that you will use yourself (like potions of potential) gamestones and ores you will give your pet (when they sell it for training they sell it as if it wasn't stolen) and 'i want it' items (as well as quests)

a good way of earning back karma is by giving potions of cure curruption to peal mom in noyel. you can get one for 10 medals in the workshop, and you get medals from bosses of random dangeons.
also, for a bit of cash one of the sisters in noyel can absolve you of sin, just so you know.

try getting 'secret treasure of the wicked' from the nuking quest in derphy if you plan on keeping you no good acts. it will drasticly reduce your karma loss in your thug life.

>>12991838
Cure corruption potions are a terrible way to spend your medals.

>>12991849
in general yes, but in a pinch its better than grinding the puppy cave hoping for free karma.

Which moongate locations are the best for cheesing gold and such? Going through the list at random is hard work.

Anyone have an idea of x pickpocket to y target perception to z bystander perception at 1/2/3/4/5 range with switches for the night bonus?

Not that it's not terribly exciting to spend 8 grand to learn that I can't steal anything over 0.1s from adventurers only at night or that my day limit is just over 4s on awake general citizenry but I'm not gonna be at -100 karma forever and from my prostitutes dabbling I hate having to make up all those -3 karma from being caught.

>>12991356
Immulsions come at the cost of performance. Check out some skyrim mods or something?

>>12991849
I'd rather spend 4 grand in bread over a week and a half of mashing wait in thep ubby cave while the local faggot patrol trains my evasion than like 1.8 million in cure corruption pots or lost medals. I dunno, maybe you fightdudes get loadamedals from your hitdudesing but I've never had surplus medals to fling around frivolously

>>12990300
Town bards have instrument, potentially a stratavarius though you need to kill them if they do not so that a new bard is rerolled at spawn. I notice caster type tends to have rings.

Then there are some somewhat more obvious ones like Yerles conbat (sic) plane having grenades (heck anything that has yerles usually has modern weapons).

Honestly, I mostly just steal to use (or trade in the case of sox) rather than to sell as I earn a lot more from raiding high level dungeons. Touch of sleep helps a lot for pickpocketing.

How am I supposed to learn guild-only skills without getting splatted now? Until I get a maid or can deal with the guildmaster, I mean.

How am I supposed to learn guild-only skills now without getting splatted? Until I can deal with the guildmaster, I mean.

>>12993348
if sneaking in with disguises isn't working, you can always use a blessed scroll of gain attribute as they will give you a skill you haven't learnt

>>12993348
i teleported near the trainer while my pets gave me precious turns with the guild master. i learned all the skills i wanted and used a scroll of escape. one of my pets even survived.

>>12993348
By teleporting until the guild leader is far and the trainer is close. Don't forget to disguise yourself though.

>>12992487
>performance
>elona
are you serious?

Surprisingly deep artifact name applied to an engagement ring, sadly it's nothing noteworthy.

I'm pretty sure scrolls of flying don't actually exist.

>>12993924
What version are you playing? How are you trying to get them?

>read a book of identify
>several creatures appear out of portal
>attampt to pickpocket one of the monsters
>fail, -5 karma
>nearby guards attack me

those guys seriusly have the wrong priorities.

>>12993924
Need to invest quite a bit in magic shops in E+ to start finding them, but they're definitely around. They're also rarer than vanilla elona.

>>12994013
My Palmia has constant monster attacks because some bumblefuck has summon monsters equipment
surprisingly its only been burnt down once
>>12994039
I read somewhere that they start turning up at about 100+ and even then its still rare

>>12994181
you should really try to get rid of that cursed equipment before palmia gets invaded by infinite splitting cubes.

>>12991861
>>12991838
I personally prefer the good karma treasure that raises it to 40 so that way you will always have an extra stock of karma and a higher karma reduces your taxes.

Karma is easy to get anyway, I store lost wallets and suitcases whenever I find them. Just hand them in when you need to.

>>12993924
I haven't seen another rod of wish ever since I switched to elona+

>>12994267
>trading small medals for karma
>annoying karma management for a meager 200k per month

>>12994293
karma management is like 50 times less annoying than potential management so idk what you're on

Do acorns train the same attributes as api nuts?

Dominate stray cats and turning them in to the dog cop for +10 karma (and trains luck).

I imported an older character and my INI is 655/77, this can't be right? I'm getting AP from pretty much nothing in south tyris. Is there a way to fix this?

>>12999339
You need to elosnack it. The offsets are mentioned somewhere on the wiki, search ini on it.

To determine what your values should actually be, make a new character with the same race and starting class as your current character to see its starting ini.

>>12999461
Thanks, that fixed it, offsets 640 and 792 were fucked up. Now to grind up all the AP I could've gotten before.

>>12999461
Ah thanks, I needed that value so I can elosnack my character without feeling like I cheated. I was able to compensate that by hitting the void against bells at very high levels but I can easy up on that now

>>12998282
Yes, both are candies.

>The Treasure Map turns to dust!

>>13002043
Identify first, dummy~

>>13002061
Even worse, I had cleared out a dungeon and picked it up while I was hoovering up all the loose crap to haul to D:1 to make some sell runs
I was touch of sleep then pickpocketing a goblin shaman
It woke up on the last one when I tried to jack a possible great weapon
Speed:30 face engage
Blanket ran out of charges
More came
My scroll of return got me out of there with only 3 hp left, no healing potions, and no buff potions left
I hadn't even read it on the overworld yet

Can precious items be damaged by acid and stuff?

>>13002043
the day will eventually come when you'll have a big stack of treasure maps that you can't be bothered to read. it's not worth worrying about.

>>13002414
they can be damaged but not broken

>>13002043
>>13002497
sooner than that, the day will come when treasure maps won't give you any equipment worth keeping.

>>13002606
The only reason I still bother with treasure maps is in case it gives me something I might use for a new gene at some point. My storage houses are pretty much dedicated to "just in case".

Do you guys listen to specific type of music while playing the game?

>>13002639
No, just whatever i'm listening to atm. it's more that i play to pass the time while listenin to fun music than listening to music to pass the time while i play

but if you are looking for ear candies, the bgm is swell enough, if repetitive.

>>13002655
I've got a whole bunch of extra added music but I forgot midi's don't work very well on my setup so I've just decided to listen to random music over the time.

Everyone here plays on Inferno, right?

No eaasy modu?

>>13002730
no easy modo on /jp/ as far as i know

but people who play on inferno are better off at
>>>/vg/93644995
where the focus is on the rough like nature of elona rather than on the sendboxy appeal

I play on advanced

(also, playing a lich feels less akward about coming back from the dead because liches are undead)

>>13002827
Advanced is odd because killing a mob makes them dislike you.

>>13002917
i meant normal

Is there any way to get every stat? And to be able to raise them all trough levels?

>>13002980
what are you talking about
you start with all stats

each stat gain exp as its associated skills gain exp (i.e used) and raise faster the higher potential it has.

str is trained by physical combat with most melee weapons (tactics also helps) and by going burdened while having the 'waight lifting' skill

dex is trainned with ranged weapons, some melee weapons and passively while wearing light armor

con is trained by moving around with madium and heavy armor. regenarting wounds also helps, as well as mining

you know what, just look at the wiki. also, the fourth god gifts are good for training (but don't equip them if you are out against a powerfull enemy)

>>13003004
I'm currently playing warlord and upon leveling up and upping certain skills, some are missing compared to my attempted play at hardcore farmer oh god

>>13002730
I crashed six times on Inferno and got sick of reversing the penalties, which I think was somehow making my file less stable.

I don't even come close to dying and I get rods of wish pretty regularly without save scumming.

>>13003008
You don't start with all skills. You CAN learn all skills. Go get learny at the trainer. If that trainer can't teach you anything new, go to another.

>>13003008
>warlord
...was there such a class in e+?

anyway, farmers got two things going for them:
1. grow lotsa food, which train stats, and cooked trains them more
2. get herbs, which both trains and raise stat potential

yeah, farms are good for any class

>>13003099
How many thousands of hours does it take before you have enough money for a farm?

So, I'm thinking about making a comic based on Elona adventures of a little loli or amazon grill or something of similar but I can't really decide on a class.

Main reason for comic is because in my opinion the amount of videogame adventure/based comics that are of decent quality and regular updates have died and crumbled and I feel like they're an important part of community.

Video games.

>>13003248
it isn't that hard, a farm costs less than a decent house

i spend my time getting silver medals, the gold just comes along naturally.

protip:
get nagotiation
id stuff en massa
some stuff sell for same price unidentified if you identified at least one of their type in the past (like monster remains such as skins and bones)- sell those before identifying en massa

>>13003252
you know, making a comic of your own adventures in elona is more interesting than whatever you can come up with.

for example, look at
>>12950739
where we see a lady rides a dinosaur while carrying a nuke acompanied by an angel and a catgirl.

so just play, and submit your adventures on the net. if you want, we can share our own adventures with you. for example, on my prev char - a claymore lich- i kinda enjoyed abusing mana burst even tough it wasn't cost efficiant. going down into a room full of hounds only to have every a single one of them dead by the next round was very satisfying. i also remember when, in the south tyris pyramid, i tried creating a wall over water, a door, and finnally random teleporting to get to the islands (which oddly enough, lended me on two of them) till i red i can dig the water tiles above the islands. funny, no?

>>13003312
I'm just wondering if I should go Lich or Golem or whatever because the main character (duh) is going to be one of the most drawn things understandably.

>>13003338
make it as self insert as possible, because its easier than creating a new personality

>>13003338
Eternal loli lich.

>>13003461
Great, now I got the image of a tiny lich with a pink hair-bow on the skull or hood stuck in my head.

>>13003099
You're forgetting that well-cooked fruits and vegetables with + modifiers can sell for massive amounts.

I wish there was a "It fucks the shit out of yiths [#####+]" enchant

>>13003803
Which one(s) are giving you trouble?
What's your mind resistance?

>>13003660
>massive amounts

>>13003886
You're not supposed to sell that stuff yourself, put it in your shop.

>>13004003
There's no benefit to selling non-equipment items in your shop.

>>13004090
First, increasing shop rank.

Second, your shopkeeper naturally has better negotiation than you if you pile your negotiation gear on him.

Third, gold gained is stored in the shop's safebox and is undisturbed by taxes as long as it's in there.

>>13003886
Anon, ~2000 per tile every few days is a massive amount of money.

>>13004109
>Second, your shopkeeper naturally has better negotiation than you if you pile your negotiation gear on him.
And you naturally have better negotiation than your shopkeeper if you wear the negotiation gear yourself.

>>13004090
>>13004109
Addendum, forgot the fourth thing.

Fourth, item rerolling, you can get rare potions, rare scrolls, and rare stuff in general from having the shop reroll stuff. If it's not something nice you can just throw it back on the shop floor.

Regarding food, you get extra herbs occasionally including the good ones.

>>13004114
Do you really put on a full suite of negotiation stuff every time you buy and sell stuff?

>>13004122
No, because my negotiation's good enough that I sell everything but potions of cure corruption at max price with just my skillstick.

>>13004114
I know, late game has warped my perception of money.

>>13004109
>First, increasing shop rank.
marginal benefit

>Second, your shopkeeper naturally has better negotiation than you if you pile your negotiation gear on him.
see >>13004130

>Third, gold gained is stored in the shop's safebox and is undisturbed by taxes as long as it's in there.
so like kitty banks?

>Fourth, item rerolling, you can get rare potions, rare scrolls, and rare stuff in general from having the shop reroll stuff.
if you think it justifies the time; I haven't had much luck

>>13004207
The item rerolling is pretty much the main reason why I sell everything in the shop.

I'm late game too and gold is effectively trivial to gain. I've gotten hermes blood and flying scrolls from the shop rerolling stuff so I throw unwanted stuff in there rather than just sell for gold directly. Cure corruption potions and superior material scrolls are somewhat common.

The shop rank thing is the secondary reason, having every single rank be 1 except for shop annoys me.

>>13002497
>>13002606
>>13002634
Really? My my furthest run I have a big pile of storage houses filled with skill/resist affix/maintains/material/randart sets and I'm always finding more pieces. Like one treasure map I got a glove that maintained like 6 attributes and filled in a hole I needed.

>>13002730
I have two runs on inferno. I trail blaze on adv though. If the plat grind in the beginning to unlock skills, the gold+investment grind in the mid-early game then the plat grind to barely keep your skills from sliding after wasn't such tedious shit I'd always rock inferno.

>>13004357
Why were you reading a spellbook at 14.6 % MP?

>>13004400
Because I was reading through a pile of like 40 spellbooks and I am eternally own fault. I try to take it slow so I don't read after a drain but sometimes they just slip through because I don't do some read, hands off for 5 seconds, repeat. Worst part was I wasn't normally having trouble with those. I think it may have been cursed.
-11/157hp!
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11

so not only does Karavika only use platinum song on herself, but she's now for some reason cooking breakfast instead of my little girl (and sucks at it to no one's surprise)

her weapon has killed my pets twice and her catchphrase is "tips please"

worst astral pen ever spent

>>13003248
I know it's been answered to death already but,

Not even 3 even at like level 10. You get a good 4-5ish thousand gold from doing any low level dungeon you can clear with a bent fork naked. From which you'll get more useless crap to cut down on dungeoneering costs on the next one. Animal parts will add anywhere from 1,000 for 10,000+ depending on your anatomy skill, kitchen knives in you ranged slot/weapon, randart +anatomy gear, space and if your god benefits it.

Very Low level jobs will consistently churn out 500-2,000ish gold and for yowyn gardening jobs you at least double the quota you'll get a pretty respectable chunk of dosh a town. Meaning about 3000-8000ish gold a town. Think about that. 10ish scores without blowing money on garbage and you've got it.

The biggest obstacle is your impulse buying of things you "need" and dying to fighting shit you shouldn't in too hard of areas because you skimped on gear enchants/aren't spending enough on potions/and not running before it's OHFUCKSHIT.

Stop spending, keep earning, and you'll have it very soon. If you can't handle that, drop everything else from your inventory, load up on pets, take some incog scrolls, and try to snag pickpocket from the thieves guild then occasionally steal kitty banks from noyel after teleporting all the dudes away from the general vendor room. Then put in however many sheckles it rates every morning whether you can "afford" it or not.

Once you have it keep up with the gardening jobs and reinvesting plat into cooking, gardening, and finding +cooking/+gardening gear for runaway sheckle flow. you can easily start getting 10,000+ per well cooked muskmelon.

It's only 45,000 gold pre-negotiation champ, make us proud.

>>13004003
Doesn't shop sales have a higher negotiation benefit cap?

>>13004899
>Doesn't shop sales have a higher negotiation benefit cap?
In theory, yes.
In practice, by the time you can get a pet's negotiation that high you don't give a flying fuck about money anymore.

>>13002730
nope I play advancing because I don't play elona to tryhard permadeath mode (there are better more balanced games for that anyway), I play it for the relaxed grindy roleplaying experience

It's worth mentioning that 100 negotiation is the max amount you need for full benefits buying and selling on your character and further negotiation only reduces the services from NPCs.

Also gold is still free training for your pets at with kitty banks or dojo so it's not completely worthless.

Finally, you can artificially inflate a shopkeeper's negotiation with artifact fusion so it is not entirely mandatory to get a Mra to be a millionaire. Though if you do get it, it shouldn't be a problem to transfer the item to it (and give it the proper slot for the item if needed)

>>13004448
Drop all your pets off at the doujou or discarded ranch. Take them out again in order. That should fix the breakfast problem you have.

>>13005159
>It's worth mentioning that 100 negotiation is the max amount you need for full benefits buying and selling on your character
for non-equipment items, that is.

I neglect my shop because it hasn't really benefited me (1 morgia and a speed upper in the amount of items that it's taken me to get to rank 3), and so I always sell off equipment myself, the expensive ones especially because they train my negotiation, even though I get jewed.

It's not worth restocking my shop after every dungeon trip just for an extra 100k when I get 1mil

>>13003886
my muskmellon whatevers sell for 23k or more each, and that's to vendors. It's even more in the shop.

>>13007268
300 gardening, 150 cooking, and maxed negotiation
This is pretty much my typical harvest. I'd say melons+10 are still rare.

It's good money early on but it's spare change later. I've retired three of my six farms after my dungeon profits started giving me magnitudes more than what my farms were making me.

I still grow, but mostly for herbs.

Anyone mind linking me the old Elona Hair + Sprite package?

I remember there being one that you had to screw around with in oldPCC that consisted of +100 hairs

>>13007389
Just a sliver of my garden, but here's what I get with 150 gardening, 55 cooking and 95 negotiation. Stat values are 183 learning and 140 charisma. This isn't counting any muskmelons, which as I said earlier are around 23k each and fairly common.

>>13008417
it might be worth mentioning I have the kumiscythe and 8k piety with kumiromi, I'm not sure how much that adds to my gardening stat.

>>13008417
it might be worth mentioning I have 200~luck, the kumiscythe and 8k piety with kumiromi, ( I'm not sure how much that adds to my gardening stat)

What is the 'Hemorrhage' status that you get from over bleeding?

>>13009437
It's bleeding, except even MORE damage over time. Caused by suffering the bleeding status effect while already at bleeding!.

>>13009468
Thanks for the info. does it have poison equivalent?

>>13009490
Yes and no.
Poison only has two "stages" whereas bleeding has three, but the damage will keep going up as you keep getting hit with poison attacks.

>>13003338
Well, nevermind about that idea.

Seems like I'm awful at this game.

Question, is acid damage poison damage?

Or is acid entirely unresistable?

Because the mothership quest is surprisingly deadly to me.

I have been making do with only normal poison resistance and having negates poison status which pretty much makes black hornets and the like entirely unnotable, but those ants man.

>>13010172
Only unresistable element is cut.

>>13010179
So you're saying acid damage is poison damage?

>>13010236
acid is not poison and is not resistable; >>13010179 is wrong

that quest is a clusterfuck; I used a portable altar, a stock of fat corpses in 4D pocket, and alternated between praying and mana bursting (the same "strategy" I used in cradle of chaos B7)

make sure that you're floating and don't attract the space zillas until the bugs are dead, since their gravity spell will negate your float

>>13009497
bleeding is also different in that it scales relative to your max HP

I lose 20k out of my 28k HP to a single hemorrhage if I decide to walk it off instead of heal

>>13008492
kumiromi scythe adds 23 levels if I recall correctly; your piety and luck have no effect

your harvest looks really good, but that could be because you either planted or harvested during the rain, which gives a pretty substantial bonus. I'm surprised you didn't mess up any dishes with 55 cooking

melon grand parfait +10 sells for around 40k on maxed negotiation, but for each plant you need to roll ~85% chance to not wilt, ~10% chance for melon ~50% chance for +10 and maybe 25% chance for parfait. not exactly a reliable source of income when a dungeon dive earns you six figures in less than the amount of time it takes to grow

>>13010652
>not exactly a reliable source of income
correction: an extremely reliable source of income, just not a major source later on

>>13010652
I thought piety/faith gives bonuses in certain skills based on your god?

I don't fail cooking very often, surprisingly.
My dungeon diving gold is around the same, if not a bit less. I'm still struggling with dl60-70 right now. 40-50s are reliably easy to clear, but above that things get a little dicey.

I do try to always only plant during the rain, and I bless my seeds.

>>13010720
gardening caps at around 140, and beyond that only affects your gathering success in dungeons

it probably has no effect given your current level

blessing seeds also has no effect; you can stop that

>>13010747
>gardening caps at around 140


really? Jeez, I've been pumping plat into it for no reason then.

Is there a way to turn off etherwind?

>>13011241
Yeah by using a shelter you casual babby
A few tips on that is that the etherwind only happens on months that are multiples of 3 (3,6,9,12)
and generally within the first 10 days so it's perfectly possible to just avoid it altogether or not spend a lot of time under it.

Adamantium is the strongest (and heaviest) weapon material, right? Or is there not much damage difference between adamantium and rubynus? Can't decide what to turn my first living weapon into.

Atlas hit too hard, how the fug do I deal with them?

>>13009770
Reinvest more of your gold into gear enchants, potions, and fucking out of hard areas before you blow all your shit on popcorn. Once you have gear on all your slots and +1/+2 you should be fine to grind low level dungeons/puppy cave which will let you get your combat skills to a meaningful level. Past that it's having consumables, reinvesting your dosh into meaningful boosts to your gear, and having swaps and shit for bolstering resists in a pinch. If you aren't going all-in on your pets park them periodically and spend a significant amount of time doing shit solo so you don't fall behind.

>>13011786
>If you aren't going all-in on your pets park them periodically and spend a significant amount of time doing shit solo so you don't fall behind.
Personally, I'd say that as soon as you can solo lv ~10 dungeons, ditch all pets except your mount.
And once you can AP train speed, ditch your mount too, unless it can ride you without cutting your speed.

>>13011690
blind them from range
get better armor

>>13011866
I'm a pansy so I like having one around for paralysis, blind, dim, and other shit until I have enough resist/immunity. More work but in a pinch lethal shit has two targets to plink away at.

>>13011786
pets can take care of themselves, as long as you give any gems you have to them.

How do you cure poison/bleeding, anyway? Normally one cast of any heal spell removes it, but recently my android got the shit poisoned out of her by a horde of black hornets and the status hung around for hundreds of turns. I cast healz on her a few times and then resorted to waiting it out and healing her at 50% health. Trained her Healing, I guess.

>>13012246
black hornets re VERY poisunous and can stack up the poison. i got a char with superb poison res and antibodie to poison that still quickly reach poison! levels when comforting those. they are horrible.

>>13011690
If you don't want to deal with them, you can always chuck potion of mutation or use rod of change creature.

Otherwise, use your preferred range attack and kite them while they are hit with slow or teleporting away from them.

>>13012254
>black hornets re VERY poisunous and can stack up the poison. i got a char with superb poison res and antibodie to poison that still quickly reach poison! levels when comforting those. they are horrible.
And the fucks come in swarms, so you never have just one to deal with. I'm firmly of the opinion that black hornets are one of the reasons every character needs Magic Storm.

>>13012246
>>13012254
>>13012333
Black hornets are 100% ignorable if you have negates poison.

Don't need any poison resistance. Just negate the actual effect as that's the real brunt of the damage.

Seriously, I try to put that shit on all my pets simply because of black hornets.

>>13012254
>>13012501
That's cool and all but it didn't answer the question.

>>13013263
you cure it just by healing

what you described happens when you get poisoned over and over by something much faster than you

>>13013346
stole the words out of my mouth