/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>12933504
This game should be ashamed of itself, also oklahoma

>>12933504
>implying they need to be smart to scam
Not hard when your targets are retards on youtube, facebook, and anyone stupid enough to trust anything from a kickstart-type site.

Now we're really getting in the dōjin spirit.

>>12933504
>Super Smash Battles
Ah, so that's how they got around it. Amazing.
That flash game with Goku and Naruto is probably better than it, though.

キターーー(゜∀゜)ーーーー!!!!!

>>12933680
こりゃ明かんでしょ

>>12933680
oh jesus christ how horrible, that face looks so bad. What human being could create this and then not commit suicide out of shame.

>>12933703
The models are literally ripped from The Sims.

Make of that what you will.

>>12933703
The kind of sleazy dirtbag that would thieve money off of consumers of a product they don't actually own.

>>12933708
Are they really?
Source?

>>12933680
"Why"

>>12933712
Can't say that the users of kikestarte and co are smart people.

Did ZUN already shut this down?

>>12933730
Yeah, but it's still being made.

Did he design his characters in that CGI porn game that's big on /t/?

>>12933734
Exactly as you would expect from the likes of them. I bet they don't even do refunds.

>>12933738
They have to or else you can sue the shit out of them especially considering all the copyright laws they are breaking.

>>12933738
If you don't refund a kikestarter when you don't deliver the product, you get sued.
If he does deliver the product, he gets sued.
Its either give back the money or he gets sued.

these 3d models look awful

>>12933738
It started being made long before he asked for funding and it'll presumably continue being made long after.

Is there sex?

>>12933874
Maybe if you donate enough to the western doujin spirit

>>12933753
>If you don't refund a kikestarter when you don't deliver the product, you get sued
No. Kickstarters and other forms of crowdfunding are basically donations.

>>12933504
The west is super smart when it comes to scams

IndieGoGo is forcing them to receive the funds and commit copyright crimes with them. We have to help our Western brothers!

It was a shitty ripoff from the start.
I hope the author gets sued.

>>12934073

>>12933504

>>12933753
they can't force you to infringe on copyrights.

Is the Chinese equivalent ZUN approved?
http://www.modian.com/project/475.html?s=23

The character models remind me of this

http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ102767.html

>>12933700
>明かんでしょ
That's not the right kanji, Anon-kun.

With all the money he scanned he could at least have the decency of hiring someone who knows how to make models.

>>12934426
すみません おねがいします

>>12934892
I wonder how ZUN would have reacted if their shit actually looked at least decent? He might play it off and say he "actually said ok".

>>12933680
>bionicle writing

>>12934974
If I were ZUN right now I'd be more mad at the fact the game looks like shit than anything, specially since I can't say them that without looking like a douche to the western fanbase.

>>12934243
I think that still looks better.

These character models are honestly on another level of awful.

Just let the game come out and then pirate it, mod it, repackage it as something else and sell it again.

>>12935059
arent those models just sims 2 characters?

Compare this Chinese game and how it looks,
>>12934181
They're only asking for like $2k roughly.

to this >>12933504 steaming pile of crap for $20k

And you can see the true western quality.

As a game developer allow me to apologize for the shit that those game developers are making.

I wish we could crucify and burn them at the stake but unfortunately they're all protected by the [it's indie so it's fine] bullshit propaganda.

I think I'd rather just play the real Smash Brothers. Touhou Sky Arena has better models and that game is from 2011 and was made by guys who mostly just remix songs. The models look even worse than those old MMD Touhou models.

But smash isnt on pc!!!!

>>12933753
>If you don't refund a kikestarter when you don't deliver the product, you get sued.
No, that's not how it works. Honestly.
For as long as "try" or "tried" to get the product done. It's all fine and dandy.
You aren't purchasing anything when you pledge to kickstarter. You making a pledge.

I've been living under a rock for the last year. Can someone explain to me why they're getting so much hate for this project?

The models do look bad but if you care about indie games style shouldn't be more important than substance. Indie games will never look as polished as a professional games. Also, models can easily be changed but gameplay mechanics either work or they don't. If the game is fun plenty of talented artist will contribute better models. Conversely, if the gameplay is bad it doesn't matter how good it looks, nobody will care about it.

>>12936481
ZUN doesn't approve of games that need group funding/kickstarter type of stuff.
Creator lied about e-mailing ZUN for his approval and he wants his game on the WiiU (stupid)
And the models look like something from The Sims

>>12936481
Creator lacked respect, decorum, talent.

>>12936481
The game got advertised as DO YOU LIKE TOUHOU??? DO YOU LIKE SMASH???? HERE'S TOUHOU TOUHOU TOUHOU SMASH!

If you fuckup the Touhou part what's the point?

>>12936493
>Creator lied about e-mailing ZUN for his approval and he wants his game on the WiiU (stupid)

Is there proof of this or are you making assumptions. I kind of can relate to this creator in a way. Imagine if you had a game you wanted to make but wasn't sure on how to make a profit from it. You then try to get into contact with ZUN but the language barrier (and ZUN's apathy for westerners) gets in your way.

I've said this before but a lot of dreams are fueled by primitive things like: money, fame, praise and power. I don't think we should blame people for wanting those things--it's just human nature. Steam and kickstarter are the west's equivalent to Japan's doujin circle market. If there was more of a financial incentive for westerners I think we'd have just as much Touhou related contributions as Japan. A lot of people tend to forget that most of the Touhou doujinshi and games you've pirated are not free and are usually sold at cons.

With all of that said, if this developer did in fact ignore the fact that ZUN said he is against crowd funding then I'll grab a pickaxe and join the angry mob. I'm requesting links to your claims so I can read more about it. I don't care about supporting my fellow westerner and to be honest I am jealous of anybody who succeeds with their dreams, but I'm not going to give into group think before learning more.

>>12936505
>talent.
I've only seen a youtube video of the game, but from what they have so far I'm impressed. Unless you've actually tried to make a game you'd be surprised just how hard it is to get a character moving on a screen. I have over a decade of coding experience and some of my projects don't have half of what they have and I've been working on them for months.

Dear non-developers, games don't make themselves. Everything you see on a screen has to be coded. The collision detection, the game loop, allocating and de-allocating resources, testing for platform compatibility, organizing data structures, AI, path following algorithms, etc.... His game looks like shit but take my word for it when I say making a smash bros fighting engine is years worth of work even for experienced programmers. Engines are for wussies, so if they're using something like Unity I take that all back. Real devs build their engines from scratch.

>>12936607
>Engines are for wussies, so if they're using something like Unity I take that all back.
When the Indiegogo was still up, I remember it saying the base goal was so they could purchase the full versions of some engines. I know Unity was one of the engines they listed.

>>12936560
Haha, you think the lack of western fanmade content is due to a lack of a financial incentive? hahahahaha

>>12933504
>When did the western community get so smart, creating a scam like this?
Kickstarter scmming is huge for some years now. IIRC then notch with minecraft was the spark to get the rocket started.

>>12936560
>>/jp/thread/S12911068 here's your proof anon

>>12936634
>Haha, you think the lack of western fanmade content is due to a lack of a financial incentive? hahahahaha

Uh yeah? Why would I waste 2 years of my life creating a Touhou game when there's no profit involved? Even for developers who don't care about money. They will have to keep a full time job to support themselves while working on the game. That's less hours they can put into their indie projects. If you're trying to imply that capitalism is a myth then I have bad news for you. Most of the 2hu doujinshi you collect are sold and the same is true for the Touhou indie games.

I only know of one developer who truly does not care about money and that's Richard Stallman, but look what that did for him. His GNU OS never went any where and it took a business man like Mark Shuttleworth to finally make something that was kind of popular. (Well, not really. Ubuntu's market share is like 1% but it's better than 0).

>>12936560
I don't feel like bullet pointing things, but here's some material for you to look over.
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17884.0.html
>>12936676

It's a shittier version of Smash with Touhou slapped on it. People will buy literally anything that says Touhou. You could probably get rich by making some Kickstarter for a Touhou anime with a goal of 1 million. People would eat that shit up even more. In the end you just need to make 10 minutes of animation and keep all the money. Just say you spend it all on animation gear or something.

>>12936679
yes, but Japanese touhou doujin games do not use crowdfunding. Getting the money without the actual product being delivered yet while using the Touhou brand is not the proper way to do it.

>>12936694
>It's a shittier version of Smash with Touhou slapped on it. People will buy literally anything that says Touhou.
True but this can be said of most Touhou related games. Touhouvania wasn't 1/10 as good as Symphony of the Night but I'm still happy it exists.

>You could probably get rich by making some Kickstarter for a Touhou anime with a goal of 1 million.
If you did that you'd be speaking to ZUN's attorney. He has stated that crowd funding is not allowed. ZUN said he was going to write something about western license. Do any of you know if he ever got around to doing it?

>>12936716
I agree with you. I'm just saying that it's a shame that the west does not have a market similar to Japan's. Most western indie developers these days take the steam or kickstarter route. Xbox live also used to be really big too. What's wrong with steam in your opinion? Steam is not crowd funding; neither is the Wii Channel. If ZUN is against those outlets then I'm confused.

>>12936719
Koumajou Densetsu was also made by people who knew what they were doing and it was made with their own money.

>>12936679
Expect that's not true.
Most people at comiket don't make good profit and there's people like Warugaki who upload the stuff their going to sell online for free.

Same goes for various mangaka, as you said they have secondary jobs because the manga won't pay for shit and when the serie ends they pretty much end the career since very few people manage to make other series and still have success.

>>12936607
He uses unity.

>>12936719
>Symphony of the Night
>good

>>12936679
The lack of western Touhou content is purely due to a lack of will and skill. Even if there was money to be made most projects would still never leave prototype stage.

Plus doujin stuff barely makes money. There's far more lucrative stuff you can do in 2 years than a doujin game.

Also this >>12936745

>>12936745
Seriously, people don't just line up to buy your shit at comiket unless you are already a big name there. I doubt people rushed to buy thousands of copies of stuff like Touhou Fugyouseki or Meddlesome Magician.

>>12935204
Nope, 200k RMB is about 25k dollars. I know this is /jp/, but don't confuse yuan with yen.

>>12936798
Also, isn't it a Sony corporation rather than crowdfunding thing?

I'm not too sure about the details, though.

>>12936745
A profit is still a profit. At least with Japanese mangakas they always have in the back of their mind a chance of making it big. Very few mangakas will end up making Masashi Kishimoto money but many will try. Here's a thought experiment. What would happen if Masashi Kishimoto was born in America. Let's say we gave him the exact memories of the Masashi Kishimoto raised in Japan. Do you really think he would have made Naruto knowing that 1) there was 0% chance an America manga would become an anime or get featured in shonen jump, 2) there was no chance of making a profit, 3) there were no outlets like shonen jump to publish your story.

>>12936773
>The lack of western Touhou content is purely due to a lack of will and skill.
Maybe in terms of art. I'm not an artist so I know little about what the west is capable of. But when it comes to programming the east doesn't hold a candle to the west. I wrote a long rant about the history of programming languages, video game engines, operating systems and design patterns and realized it's silly to post it. We have SICP and they have nothing. Enough said.

>>12936742
I don't think ZUN is explicitly against Steam. But he did imply that he's not comfortable with Touhou doujin games being sold in places visited by many non-Touhou fans, a majority of which may never hear about Touhou.

>>12936679
>Why would I waste 2 years of my life creating a Touhou game when there's no profit involved?

Because you're a fan. Because there's something you want to share with other people. Because it's a great practice for future endeavors. Plenty of reasons.

>>12936813
>he's not comfortable with Touhou doujin games being sold in places visited by many non-Touhou fans
If ZUN is going around micromanaging were and were not his IP can be sold then I want no part in it. If his license isn't clear enough to explain all of these questions then he needs to rewrite it. Not allowing crowd funding is understandable but what you said sounds weird.

>>12936812
People do not create doujin stuff out of hope of making it big but out of their own love. Even big name doujin circles don't always guarantee profit.
That's why you can't compare mainstream commercial products with doujin products.

>>12936834
This is probably the kind of doujin community that ZUN wanted this entire time.

>>12936823
>Because you're a fan. Because there's something you want to share with other people. Because it's a great practice for future endeavors. Plenty of reasons.

What you said is true but is there something wrong with someone profiting off of a project they've worked hard on. If Bill Gates would have released the source code of the Windows OS I'm sure it would have benefited the world in various ways but I doubt he'd be half as rich. I bet if Micheal Jackson released all of his albums for free it would have benefited the world. Your altruism for the sake of altruism makes me cringe.

>>12936812
I'm talking about the programming skills of the typical touhou fan who are mostly people in their late teens or early 20s, not well paid turbonerd neckbeards in their late 30s who would never make a doujin game.

>>12936856
That's the different between commercial and doujinshi. If Bill Gates created Windows with the mindset of this being a doujinshi, then he should not mind the loss of profit. It's clear that he created Windows as a commercial product.

If you begin making stuffs that are called doujin to begin with, you're obviously not in it for the profit. It's simply the matter of your first choice, making a commercial or doujin product.

Because Touhou is not commercialized so if you're making a Touhou game with the commercial mindset, it's obviously not allowed as making a spin-off of any commercial franchise is not allowed (also note that commercial franchise doesn't even allowed doujin fan game, which is what a non-commercialize doujin franchise like Touhou allow)

>>12933680
Is that the fucking Bionicle alphabet?

>>12936856
Did you just hit the bong or something? These comparisons are ridiculous.

>>12936856
>is there something wrong with someone profiting off of a project they've worked hard on

No, but you've now officially gone completely off-topic.

This thread is about people who wanted to profit before they worked.

>>12936864
But we agree on the fact that western programmers are superior. Japan's only contribution was ruby? How much operating systems, game engines and browsers have they created? Even our 20 year old college programmers are superior due to the fact that we have better mentors like: Gerald Sussman, Dennis Ritchie, John Carmack, and Linus Torvalds. As a western developer I'm kind of offended that you would even mention them in the same sentence as us westerners. The Japanese can't code for shit. Their games look good because they have better textures but if you dig deep and look at their engines, they lack our physics, lighting and innovations.

The truth is, the east fails at software. Which is why the iPhone managed to take off. The smart phone market was Sony's for the taking, but do to their inability to understand software they gave it away to Apple.

>>12936897
I can't believe I took that bait. Good one.

>>12936834
Touhou is an independent game that got popular exclusively thanks to the doujin community, in part due to ZUN's liberal terms of use and support for the community. People see and appreciate this, and they support the game. He wants to preserve the existing doujin culture. It's why he places restrictions on selling doujin work through commercial channels, animated works, using distribution channels that are further reaching than ones used by the original works and so on.

The whole point of the Touhou project is the doujin community that shapes it. Separate Touhou from its community and it would just be an decent shoot em up game with delicious cake.

>That's also the part that surprised me the most, on how the derivative works span several different genres, with much will, ambition and potential within them, and a surprisingly small amount of erotic works (*laugh*). Touhou is ultimately a series of danmaku STGs, but I feel that within the doujin community lies a strange and wonderful world as well. This border between strangeness and normalcy, common sense and lack of it is quite reminiscent of the Gensokyo boundary itself.

>>12936932
Alright, that explained it for me. Thanks.

It's clear as day. Why must you make a doujin game with no profit involved? Because you're a fucking fan. You may put your stuff on sales and wait for people to appreciate/pay your work.
If you explicitly ask people to pay for your doujin game because you think you deserve it then you're no fan but a greedy bastard trying to exploit other people's franchise's popularity for your own profit.

>>12936952
>If you explicitly ask people to pay for your doujin game because you think you deserve it then you're no fan but a greedy bastard trying to exploit other people's franchise's popularity for your own profit.
I find your lack of nuance to be disturbing. Life is not black and white. There's a grey area in this conversation. The people who created Super Marisa World charges people to play their game. By your binary logic that would make them greedy bastards.

Alright, let's end this conversation and go back to the original topic. There seems to be two trains of thought here. Either you are a person who makes Touhou games because you're a fan OR you're a greedy prick who's leeching off the popularity of the franchise. I thought we were better than this but okay.

Touhou Smash Devs, pls leave.

Your game literally reminded me of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Q0_DgXHG0

>>12936993
>You may put your stuff on sales and wait for people to appreciate/pay your work.

>>12936607
Would you like me to suck your balls as well? Faggot.

>>12933504
>>12936932
I'm not sure it's a scam so much as FSS being convinced "Touhou was created by fans like us, therefore we own Touhou and ZUN is trying to steal it from us".

It gets really weird when they act like the entire doujin community is "The Man" and they're "standing up for the little guy", somehow not realising that the people they're attacking *are* the little guy.

>>12936932
This is also the reason why there will never be a touhou anime.

>>12937448
A lot of their explanations have been rehashed statements and a lot of their actions have been rude, and shady. Such as flexible funding.

i thought the game quality was bad, but I was still willing to support them; in hopes to make it better. But with how they've been weirdly acting and selectively responding to only certain things and somewhat dodging questions. Well, there goes my support, and many others.

There's a possibility it's not a scam and they're just retarded. But either way I hope it gets shut down.

I guess this is the difference between doujin and "indie".

Indie have no qualm regarding using kikestarter and other means to fund their shit, while doujin uses their own money.

In this way, something like Touhou is doujin while Little Witch Academy is indie.

>>12937470
>A lot of their explanations have been rehashed statements and a lot of their actions have been rude, and shady.

>Making money in such a fashion is inappropriate. Please cancel the crowdfunding.
>We're keeping up the crowdfunding because he didn't clarify whether by "cancel" he wanted us to give back the money. And if ZUN doesn't like it we'll see him in court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE

>>12937074
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/v/bro here

epic thread

>>12935204
this isn't funding for the game

>>12936834
he isn't micromanaging this because most people aren't stupid and have plenty of available avenues already

also
>For the commercial production of derivative material, or the mass circulation of derivative material outside of doujin shops, you must seek my permission.
>Selling doujin works in commercial channels is generally not allowed.
and 2011 added more detail
>Sale of software on the XBox 360 Indies channel
>Sale of software via the App Store, Android Market, etc. (for commercial
parties, please get in contact with me)
>Sale of works in channels that are further reaching than the distribution channels used by the original works. The original works are primarily sold in general doujin channels. So, please refrain from using download sales sites primarily oriented for overseas customers, etc.
the last one meaning "don't put it somewhere far-reaching where people with zero context will find it and assume it's the official thing"

>>12937448
basically this, they have no idea what doujin culture is yet act as though it should be criticized for totally invalid reasons

>>12937492
indie games don't literally use other IPs as their basis

>>12937925
Why do people feel like they need to announce which board they're from? It isn't necessary.

>>12938108
Is ZUN a saint who died on the cross for the doujin market or is this just yet another case of Japanese elitism. The doujin distribution channels that he speaks of are 100% Japanese. Japanese people have had a long history of isolationism and elitism. I'm not suggesting this is the case with ZUN I am merely adding to the topic.

>>12938141
He's a Shinto head priest.

>>12938138
Don't feed trolls you rookie at life you.

>>12938141
The only point here is, the _owner_ of the IP they're using categorically denies them permission to use it in the current circumstances and they flat out spat in his face.

There's no freedom-fighting to be discussed here. Simply thievery and deceit.

It's inspired by Project M so it's already better than modern Smash Bros.

>>12938141
And can you blame them? Look at all the shit that happens outside Japan.

>>12933504
>tfw I live in OK
Should I just kill the guy

>>12938599
If you do, I'll drive the getaway car.

If drama like this happens again chances are ZUN will end up banning westerners from making Touhou games.

>>12938729
Implying westerners can get any games done

>>12938599
Buy a HK VP9 and do it.

Bring at least two mags tho.

>>12938771
9mm? I would bring at least 6 mags.

They ragequit and are now rebranding as a non-Touhou project. Are you happy /jp/? You won.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCd5wlUiuCY

>>12938789
More mags never hurt but shot placement is king.

Centermass, neck and head should be priorities.

Or you can get an HK45 if you ain't poor I guess.

>>12938141
>Is ZUN a saint who died on the cross for the doujin market or is this just yet another case of Japanese elitism
Neither?
>The doujin distribution channels that he speaks of are 100% Japanese
Personal websites and forums are perfectly fine. So many circles just use their own websites that I'm not even sure what you're talking about, besides with physical distribution which can obviously be a problem in large countries.

>>12938729
stop being dumb

No matter ZUN or Touhou. How would Nintendo let this slide?
It's Smash ripped straight off. That Sony All Star game, shitty or not, at least made sure to be different.
But this is just smash. Same mechanics. Same controls. Even the same names for the mechanics.

>>12938807
Still gross as fuck. The next step here would be if they fail making that.

>>12938867
Nintendo can't own smash gameplay or else Capcom would be suing everyone for copying SF.

>>12938878
But Capcom did sue SnK multiple times.

>>12938867
That's a pretty good question that I never thought about. Nintendo is one of the most vicious companies when it comes to copyright.

The first battle has been won, but the war still goes on. Regardless of what they intend now, they're still taking advantage of Touhou; and will be dealt with properly. I want to show them what will happen when they cross Gensokyo. I want to show them what will happen when they treat the Wonderland as if it was their own.

Now that they've lost will some of you admit that some of your hatred for FSS was jealousy.

>>12938807
Now I can take it easy.

>>12938948
...no?

One day I hope to ask ZUN this question, and watch the weasel squirm.

>>12938807
Why is Mima on it?

>>12938973
What point would you be trying to make?

ZUN's guidelines aren't his guidelines for doujin. He doesn't have that power. What he has power over is what happens in 2hu.

>>12938807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXEPk3dzFg

>>12938946
I couldn't care less about that, just let the retards buy the game and ignore it.
The bad thing was the crowdfunding.

The more I get into that......... oh my god..... that is MESSED UP.... Zun is not giving much of an intelligent picture of himself, but YOU are, you thought exactly what I was thinking: Just use different characters! I am extremely happy you guys are still going strong!! Good luck!

I love Melee and Touhou but the two were never meant to mix.

also crowdfunding is bad, etc. etc.

>>12933625

>>12939099
oh sweet jesus christ

>>12938867
There have been other games that copied Smash's gameplay. I remember a Cartoon Network one, specifically.

>>12939099
>Le-GaiaOnline face.

>>12938973
I have no fucking idea why this was mentioned.

>>12939268
Just more ignorants that confuse zun's rules about touhou and doujin culture as a whole.

>>12938973
Underrated post

>>12938973
Well, is it? Was it ever released in doujin channels?

>>12939454
What does Cave Story have to do with ZUN policies about Touhou games?

>>12938807
Nice of them to provide a script for people who aren't children (though it was very colorful). It started off well but predictably pivoted to reasserting themselves, arguing against ZUN and the doujin community. "Doujin spirit" comes off sarcastic.

The dumbasses got scared off by the claim to IndieGogo too, which was irrelevant by the time it happened. It's like, it finally became real that they're making copyright-derivative work and it might not be compatible with their dreams of making it big (the heart of all of this).

>>12939482
Absolutely nothing. The joke is that they're is so incredibly dumb that they seriously think it is relevant somehow. Like that ZUN controls all doujin works through his spooky arbitrary guidelines and hidden cultural rules of not being a dick and trying to profit off of another's work.

>>12938807
those fucking youtube comments holy shit

>>12938807
Some comments say that FFS cancelled the crowdfunding and still got shot down.
I'm confused. Isn't the main problem the crowdfunding? If, for example, FFS wants to continue the game as Touhou SSB, shouldn't cancelling the crowdfunding be enough? Why is the game still cancelled after that? Is there still another problem that I'm not aware of? Enlight me please.

>>12939654
my guess is that ZUN was annoyed enough at their faggotry that he asked the whole thing be shut down. possibly from lack of cooperation, disregard for the copyright laws, and for whatever bad press the project had already generated.
this is only a guess because I refuse to read their script or watch the entire video. if you do care to get the one sided view you can read their script. I believe there was a link to a shrinemaiden thread somewhere in the comments that was not from FSS's pov.

>>12935090
KANCOLLE SMASH BATTLES.

>what's wrong with western trying to do doujins??
>profit
>but profit is good
>why no profit
There you have it. People talking about profit when they still don't even have a fucking game.

So, does FSS quit on their own or because ZUN asked them to quit?

>>12938807
Another great victory, just like with that Vampirish Night game.

>>12939670
Wasn't Kancolle also permits fan works except for fangames?

>>12939683
I don't care. I'll just make it without anyone's permission and wuss out like a bitch when someone files a copyright complaint.

>>12939683
I doubt Kadokawa will ever permit fangames. Because someone will be able to make a kancolle game with much better gameplay than the original.

>>12939621
I'm not going to read them.

>TSSB will STILL BE FULLY MADE and FINISHED as intended
>...and the most important point (or least, depending on your priority/perspective):
>TSSB will be RE-STYLIZE into ANIME style visual (following the overwhelmingly massive amount of suggestions from both fans and... critics?)

Posted on a Touhou fan page on facebook last week.
Apparently, ZUN did not force them to cancel the game and they can continue making the game if they want just with no crowdfunding. So, FSS just rage quit on their own. Then again, I'm one of those who can't stand watching their annoying video. Maybe, it's wrong but this is my current understanding of this incident.

>>12939692
>>TSSB will be RE-STYLIZE into ANIME style visual (following the overwhelmingly massive amount of suggestions from both fans and... critics?)
Re-stylized.
God, these morons can't even speak right.

>>12939692
The video in the end claims they were going to finish it without touhou characters but the characters featured were going to be OC heavily based on the already featured roster.
Since they are so fucking lazy, they will resemble touhou characters a bunch, and the drama will continue. Oh yeah.

Now can we let it die and have some tea?

Incident resolution is already completed.

>>12939692
>>TSSB will STILL BE FULLY MADE and FINISHED as intended

This is all I wanted to hear, I don't really care about the game itself, they could make whatever they want for all I care.

>>12939701
No, it's time for the extra stage.

>>12939711
yes, but that was last week. They decided to remove Touhou out of their game this week. The game still looks like alternate outfit Touhou though.

>>12939654
They're not getting the money they wanted. That's the problem.

>>12939737
I really don't care anymore, Touhou or not I only cared because of that crowdfunding thing.

Now I have no reason with bother with whatever some guys want to do. I don't care if secondaries who will buy anything Touhou will throw money at them or not.

good fucking riddance to these cunts

even though it probably isn't the last time we'll see them

hmm the only things I wonder about is how westerners should distribute their fanworks. Non-public spaces where there are only touhou fans sounds very unspecific. Comiket isn't touhou only and shops that sell doujins like Melonbooks are neither non public nor touhou fans only. I know that some cons offer spaces for people to sell their selfmade stuff, I even saw there once a touhou circle from japan selling CDs. So that should be okay then.
Selling digital copies is not okay, what about physical copies from your website? Or free digital download and set up an option for donations for those who want to.

>Non-public spaces where there are only touhou fans sounds very unspecific. Comiket isn't touhou only and shops that sell doujins like Melonbooks are neither non public nor touhou fans only.
It's not saying "sell in touhou fan only place" but "sell it in places where people know what touhou is". I'm sure guys who go to doujin shops or Comiket damn know what touhou is.

>Selling digital copies is not okay, what about physical copies from your website? Or free digital download and set up an option for donations for those who want to.
As long it stays uncommercial it's fine.
Here's how it works: selling it on your personal private website is mostly no prob, but NOT if it the website was using a commercial domain.

>>12936856
There's a slight difference anon. Microsoft owns the Windows OS. Micheal Jackson owned and created his own music.
You did not create Touhou.

Want to bet that they'll run another IGG campaign for their totally original Not-Touhou Smash game?

>>12940288
Now instead of paying 1k+ for your favorite waifu, you can pay 1k+ for your ORIGINAL CHARACTER!

>>12939621
>>12939621
Even though I really am a touhou fan, I never had any affection for Zun. To me he always has been an asocial nerd who spends his time in his little room making his own business without ever assuming the phenomenon that touhou has become, and showing the most explicit disrespect for the international touhou community. As a frequent user of both nicodouga and youtube, I am quite confident to say that there are more (probably even WAY more) touhou fans in the whole world excluding Japan than there are in Japan alone. So sorry, but don't come and tell me that the poor little scared child wants everything to stay "within the reglementations of Japan" because, guess what ? Touhou isn't japanese anymore, it's a worldwide phenomenon, and if Zun actually believes you can become famous worldwide and get a huge international fanbase WHILE staying in his confort zone and continue his little life as if those million people never existed then he'd better sell the whole thing, 'cause he doesn't deserve any of that success he has. This is disrespectful for his fans and insulting. I have never seen Zun promoting or offering support to people working on a fangame, or a fan-made anime, or anything that could make touhou something (even) better. But I learn here it's not the first time that he comes and ruins a project without reason. Here we see it again with that Touhou Smash project. I mean, look at that, look at the quality of the work that has been done, the time that has been invested. Zun doesn't even have the skill to do something a tenth as good as this quality-wise. But, no, he doesn't want it done, so he decides to just crush everything and put a year of work to waste.

>>12940999
It's been a while since I last felt to reply to someone with just a plain "lol".

>>12940999
Is this copypasta?

>>12940999
You really can't be that dumb, can you?

>>12940999
ZUN just wanted no crowdfunding. Cancelling that and Touhou Smash can be completed and sold with no incident. It's not ZUN's fault that FSS quit and remove Touhou from their game because their feeling is hurt or something.

>>12940999
Hello ShinesBright

>>12941008
>>12941009
>>12941016
>>12941037
Are y'all retarded?

>>12939621
>those fucking youtube comments holy shit

>>12941016
Americans, and especially Smash players, are the most self-entitled people on the planet.

>>12940999
gr8 b8 m8

>>12940999
FYI : ZUN doesn't give a shit. Losing fans is a not problem to him, as long he can continue making games to his liking.

>>12941046
Yeah, doesn't change the fact I still wanted to just replying by laughing.
I mean, come on, how do you even reply to that even when quoted?

>>12941046
should have greentext it, anon. You have a chance to finally use it properly.

>>12941090
I did. In the post you quoted.

>>12941046
You're the best troll we've had in years. Job well done.

So, TSA sent them an email and they quit because they are afraid of being accused of any copyright infringement and because they felt they are not trusted.

>>12933504
i like that they are trying to play up ZUNs expected Japanese xenophobia as if he's trying to destroy all western touhou fandom, however considering my art hasn't been taken down and so has this site and dumblr i kinda think this dev is full of shit

>>12941131
And because the Internet is being mean to them lol.

>>12941131
The potential Steam and Wii U releases are more profitable than an honest Touhou doujin, it's probably as simple as that.

>>12940999
ZUN encourages Western fans to pirate his works. So do a lot of doujin circles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExD9mnAsqjk (about 33 seconds in). Heck, the English-language threads on 2chan used to include "Touhou pirates" as one of the groups they invited to participate.

FSS makes Japanese fans pay for theirs.

Clearly ZUN is a xenophobic money-grabbing tyrant.

>>12938975
Because ZUN is evil for taking Mima away from the fans, duh.

>>12941377
Best.

>>12941377
>that pose
he really wants to draw lewds with her

魔理沙、参戦だぜ！

>>12942112
no good w

>>12942112

>南西Doujin Spirit

what a bunch of butthurt faggots

>>12938807
FUCK he is hard to understand

>>12942112
Please no

>>12942112
freckles, really?

>>12942112
>Deviantart.
Makes more sense now, it has a negative stigma about it for a reason.

>>12942136
I think Sims 2 with Touhou mods would still be a lot more fun to play, even with those terrible models that clip through everything like Ran and her tails.

>>12933680

WHAT THE FUCK HAVE THEY DONE TO MY CUTE BAKACIRNO!? ;_;

>>12940354
>you can pay 1k+ for your ORIGINAL CHARACTER!

Half the game will be Sonic OC since they have DeviantArt involved.

>>12934034

>2hu 3rd person shooter
>2hu DOTO

Fuck me, this looks fucking amazing. Would invest.

>FSS is no longer allowed to use TSA characters, at all. I can't make a Touhou game ever again.

Saijee's word. Then again, it is very likely just assumption on his part. Not like ZUN would ever get so mad, he outright ban someone from touching Touhou ever, right?

>>12942983
It's 100% certain that Saijee is just being an autistic fuck.

>>12942983
Who gives a shit, let it die.

>>12942983
Considering the amount of ZUN shit talking going on in their video comments...

>>12942986
>naming the new game Doujin Spirit
>still spreading misinformation


It doesn't die. It just transformed into some unpleasant abomination.

>>12942991
As long as it isn't directly related to Touhou, I don't give a shit.

Let those retards make whatever they want to make.

So instead of moving on and just making a game, they decided to be passive aggressive jackasses?

>>12942112
>Freckles

>>12942996
He cares more about the money than about Touhou, so he's still making the game - it's just not a Touhou game anymore.

What a bunch of autistic babies. There's no way any of these soy bros are out of high school.

>>12942983
Probably, they're just not allowed to sell Touhou products in the way that they want to, which to them means "we can't make a Touhou game". Because to them, "make a game" cannot be separated from "sell the game on Wii store and become indie-rich".

But, it's only natural, right? Who makes software for free because they love to?

>>12943087
It wouldn't be a problem if they made software for money to get rich. The problem is they wanted to use Touhou to give insta-fame to their project but Touhou is not their creation.

If they had made original characters, even if they were parodies of Touhou, it would have been fine.

The game looked like shit anyways.

>>12943098
Sure, the problem is that they confuse those two things. When presented with a choice which I think would be reasonable to someone making a fangame, they refused, threw their toys around, and acted like victims, because they couldn't just say that the non-negotiable part of this was profit.

Then people discussing it get trapped by the same thinking. "Well shouldn't someone be able to sell his fangame in the west?" when first you should ask "do you need to?" And even then, as far as I can tell, you can, just on a smaller scale and with more work.

>>12943141
We of course know they're just in it for the cash. They belittle the so-called "doujin spirit" primarily because they're incapable of grasping it. They're the likes of the "indie" crowd, as was mentioned earlier. Very different culture from the "doujin crowd". And they will never understand that one is not simply a linguistic translation of the other.

Sounds like the new plan for FSS might be to make a Touhou Smash to give away for free and the change the models and make a Not-Touhou Smash to sell on the Wii U and Steam.

>>12933708
glad I'm not the only who feels this way about the modeling

The hapless fucker is planning to continue this cursed thing as a Touhou game again.

>>12943305
>>12943776
Who cares anymore.

>>12943776
Well if he can keep to the guidelines then good. The alternative is he makes a commercial game where you can play as "Blarisa Mirisame" the Hedgehog, and that's possibly even more insulting to ZUN than what he was doing before.

>>12943477
Are you kidding? Anyone who's last exposure to 3D models wasn't 1998 can clearly tell that it's shit.

>>12943787
And this time, ZUN can't do anything about it, because it's now expressly parody.

Aren't the mmd models actually a million times better looking and made for complex animations? The models they're using looks like they're out of Food Fight

>>12934034
Similar-looking outfits in fast-paced fighting games is always a bad idea. What were they thinking?

>>12944394
FSS have said from the start that they can't use MMD models because they don't own them, and using things they don't own goes against their design philosophies.

>>12944434
Originally Reimu had an American Flag color scheme to show "Western Touhou Fanbase Pride". No, really.
People told FSS that was a dumb idea and that "the West" is not the same thing as "the US", so they responded by putting in *every* flag as a color scheme.

Don't worry about that grinding noise you're hearing, by the way, it's just your brain.

>>12944517
>we don't want to use quality assets that we didn't make!
>we don't even understand what quality is!
How

>>12936882
kek, it really is. Well snooped.

>>12944517
>Originally Reimu had an American Flag color scheme to show "Western Touhou Fanbase Pride".
It was also her ONLY color scheme.

>>12944434
>>12944545
>>12944558
>>>/v/

>>12944612
damn man, you got me

I got banned on MotK for calling this jackass out on his shit.

Why is the western 2hu fanbase so defensive of him? He's not making us look good at all.

>>12944798
Most of the western fanbase is a hugbox for idiots. /jp/ is probably one of the few places where people will tell you that the stuff you made is shit instead of praising everything.

>>12944798
Because if he's left to his own devices and no one spells things out to him, he'll never figure out what he's doing wrong, and will just keep damaging the community for years to come.
Most of MotK is raging pretty hard about this, but if he can't understand basic requests from ZUN then there's no way he can understand something that hurts his feelings (and he says the posts at MotK are *still* hurting his feelings).

damn, why is /jp/ so sad? They changed the name, gave back money to those that wanted it back, why do you hate a team for making a fucking game that you only care about because it apparently offends your daddy ZUN lol.

ZUN Doesnt care, he shot the project down, no touhou smash, no crowdfunding. As simple as that, whatever FSS wants to make is within their limits now that theyre remodeling the game so that it doesnt offend any Japs.

Except for the Doujin Spirit part, that was a bit funny. Lastly, I think that part of what they argued was correct, theyre not violating any existing "doujin" laws (because there isnt FUCKING ANY), they were violating ZUN's policies. Now that they're not, it's just whatever

>>12944798
Maybe because you're a fucking weeaboo :)))))))))))))))))?

>>12945417
I'm not sad nor do I care anymore.

>>12944798
There's a thread up that's like twenty pages of everyone at MotK bashing the shit out of this guys. You probably got banned because you flamed the shit out of him, thinking you were posting on 4chan as opposed to a forum that values "constructive posting."

>>12945424
Alright, it's not directed at you. It just feels a little sad that a lot of people REALLY care about what ZUN(might) thinks of them.

>>12945417
I actually hated the game because it looks like shit, but I didn't bother talking about it because anyone can do whatever he wants.

Then you guys decided that you couldn't wait for the money and decided you're way to mighty to respect the rules.

Now have fun, bump the thread all you want, the discussion is over. I couldn't care less. You're the sad one that still tries to raise the dust.

>>12945439
The guys were being fucking idiotic, and complete liars about it to boot.

What, you think people got mad at the actual (most definitely) piece of shit game that was being made?

>>12945439
Well, if you use licensed properties, you gotta respect the creator.

That's how it goes for western civilization.

>>12945417
You're so terribly misinformed saijee.

>>12944798
Since by all indications whatever posts you've made don't exist, you probably just registered and your posts didn't clear approval for being fucking stupid.

If you really think people in general are defensive of him, that only confirms you're an utter moron.

>>12945667
is that you shinesbright

>>12945970
second should be >>12945417

>>12945970
>Since by all indications whatever posts you've made don't exist, you probably just registered and your posts didn't clear approval for being fucking stupid.

That's because they deleted the post you goddamn idiot. I remember exactly what I posted: "Well, look at this disaster. Nice job making us gaijin look bad"

And then I got banned. For that one post. Incredible. My ban appeal hasn't been answered in literally a week, so I'm probably not coming back.

>>12946213
Most communities don't like it when you show up for the express purpose of making a single post that's a flame, and then leave.

>>12946249
No, I had already been posting there for several weeks.

Why are you defending this idiot so much? He screwed up so goddamn bad fucking ZUN himself got involved.

>>12945417
>Lastly
Is this nigger writing a speech for his high school English class?

Was this made in The Klub?
Jesus Christ, this looks like shit.

>>12946213
>That's because they deleted the post you goddamn idiot
No shit. Either your just registered and your post wasn't approved or you were already active and your post was deleted. You're an idiot either way; nobody is defending his stupid bullshit.

>>12946259
>No, I had already been posting there for several weeks.
Oh my god, is this Chagen? If this is Chagen I'm going to cry laughing. This explains everything.

Can we please get this message board cock sucker out of here?

Chagen is my favorite quaternary

>>12946352
It's obviously Saijee or at the very least one of his fanboys.

So paranoid he guessing people here go to his shitty forum.

>>12946392
Which forum? MotK? It must take a real fucking retard to get banned from there, seeing as how twelve-year children and Saijee himself have managed to succeed.

I've been reading the last 10 pages of the MotK thread and I can tell that reasoning with Saijee and his supporter is incredibly difficult.

It's like they don't even have common sense anymore.

Also, Saijee said that he will name the game "Nansei Doujin Spirit" because he wants the game's story to "teach" players about doujin culture. To Saijee, doujinshi is a secret society and he thinks it will benefit people to disclose its secret.

You have to give props to the guys at MotK for keeping the entire discussion "civilized" till now. It's very frustrating just reading alone.

>>12946894
>he wants the game's story to "teach" players about doujin culture
How big is his hubris, exactly? He should do like an Anon said in the /jp/ game-making thread and make a game to teach Japanese instead, because I doubt he's reliable when it comes to expose the doujinshi culture.

>he thinks it's a secret culture
It's a secret culture in the same say that gang bang isn't widely practiced : normies don't care.

i need to kill my self now

The mods are running out of patience, too. This is great.

>>12946436
>MotK? It must take a real fucking retard to get banned from there
Humm.... Not quite.

>>12946919
Haaa, he's mod in that shithole. That's why everyone suck his dick on danbooru.

>>12946920
Acting like you usually do on 4chan usually guarantees a ban.
Just remember you're not anon while on MotK, so things can get quite personal.

>>12946932
When you go 4chan, you can't go back. You become too frank for your own good.

Plus I always hated the "waaaah i am a mod so don't talk to me like that WAAAAAH".

>>12933504
goddamn oklahomans. nothing good ever comes out of oklahoma

>motk

Saijee Higuchi is asexual, a brony, a 2nd gen memer, and recognizes a Korean as the second coming of Jesus Christ.

>>12946928
He isn't. The yellow shit doesn't designate a mod. Try to hide your insecurities more.

>>12947005
>I am Asian, there I am Awesome
Never though I'd see racism on Facebook.
>Games Extreme
Yeah, because playing video games in your parent's basement is EXTREME.
>Real Men Watch My Little Pony
I don't think I need to comment on that, right?
>Touhou Cosplay
Cosplay is objectively shit.

>>12947167
>Never though I'd see racism on Facebook.
Facebook is the second most poular site on the Internet and for some reason you though racists would just avoid it?

>>12947226
I guess he thought that unlike here, on FB people use their real identity, so they would less prone to publicly post racist comments with their face and name under it, for all their friends and familiy to see.
But of course he's giving FB users way too much credit.

>>12947226
What >>12947781 said.
I'm personally less corrosive when I'm posting under my real name.

Can we just put this case into ED and call it a day already?

>>12946932
>>12947786
I've found that in my experience, not being anonymous doesn't make much of a difference when voicing my opinions, or at least not as much as I had initially thought.

It's something like what >>12946941 mentioned; you acclimate yourself to telling the truth, and in turn feel compelled to be honest about how you really see and feel about any given topic.

Of course, not going overboard with swearing and namecalling people left and right also makes a huge difference in making people not think you're just flaming, even more when you consider just how many words that are common vernacular here would be considered incredibly ``offensive'' in other places.

Whoa, with how stupid, selfish and clueless he's been, this Saijee clown is basically the game dev version of the (´・ω・`) autistlord from that denko story, isn't he
Man, no wonder reading this up feels so familiar!

>>12939621
These fucking retards jesus christ. FSS' shill army are biting the hand that feeds them.

Without ZUN this game and indiegogo campaign wouldn't have even existed in the first place.

And the accusations that ZUN is xenophobic are ridiculous. Complete SJW-tier bullshit.

>>12948337
To be fair, most Japanese are mildly xenophobic, it's just built into their culture.

>>12944798
It's secondaries being idiots as usual.

>>12946894
>he will name the game "Nansei Doujin Spirit" because he wants the game's story to "teach" players about doujin culture
Saijee please go into hiding until you know how to read a situation

So, about that no digital download thing.

http://www.melonbooks.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=IT0000177135

>>12948739
That's a CD, not a download.

>casualizing mechanics
>adding voices to characters
why

>>12948788
It's what his casual/secondary fans want.

Can I get a summary?
Why does any of this matter?

Did some dirty gaijin fuck up due to Jew influences again? I read a little and realized how pointless it all was.

So basically; some dude made a shitty Smash copy with Touhou characters and asked for kikefunding without asking for Zun's permission. Then Zun goes "fuck you, that isn't allowed stop your kike bullshit selling games before they're even made, also something about kikestarter making it too official of an outlet and junk".

Then SimsSmash's group goes "fine" and stops the campaign but refuses to give back the money. "fuk u zun since you didn't specifically state that we give back the money, only cancel the campaign, if you bitch we'll meet you in COURT. I have a friend who's in law school, I know what I'm doing." Then they realize they're in the wrong, so they go "nope we can't give back the money we promised that would be violating kikestarter's rules", "also look at this Chinese group doing the same thing fuck them ur a fucking xenophobic hypocrite u drunk little shit ill fite u", and "baaaw zun is a racist fuck that guy he doesn't own the doujin community he cant tell me what to do".

Is this accurate? Isn't Zun completely in the right in the first place due to the fact he owns Touhou Project?

>>12949021
- FSS reads the doujin guidelines, feels like it doesn't ban crowdfunding, crowdfunds on Indiegogo.
- General agreement among the Japanese doujin community, plus Shrinemaiden and most other Western followers, tell FSS they need to stop.
- FSS claims that he's not doing anything wrong.
- TSA formally notifies them that they are not allowed to crowdfund.
- FSS starts lawyering up, claiming that Indiegogo has some arcane provisions where because the campaign has completed various provisions automatically kick in and delays a bunch of shit.
- FSS eventually says they will refund the money "unless you don't want it refunded."
- Shrinemaiden counters that no, he has to refund the money, period. He is literally not allowed to keep any of the money raised through Indiegogo, end of story.
- FSS whines some more.
- Three days later, TSA gets fed up with nothing happening and sends Indiegogo a DMCA taking down the project.
- FSS claims that ZUN has "officially forbidden them from working on Touhou Smash because they sent a DMCA" even though the DMCA was clearly only targeted at the crowdfunding. claims that TSA has "banned him from working on the project" because they sent a "copyright notice."
- Everybody who isn't a FSS shit-eater calls him a drama-queen and fucking moron. His retarded fanbase whines a lot.

>>12949021
Add in ZUN telling them it is okay to develop the game as long as it isn't being crowdfunded/commercialized, but forcing the indiegogo campaign to shut down to make sure people are refunded and the devs interpreting this as ZUN no longer wants them to do anything with Touhou so they shit talk him and make a passive aggressive video about their butthurt stating that they will only continue it as a Touhou project if ZUN pardons them.
The devs are arrogant idiots.

Thanks! I'll do my best to represent!

I was thinking, that if I could manage to get a solid Kick-Starter funded then I might even be able to get the game to have fully voiced dialogs, like the way a lot of modern Touhou fan games are going. And if my fan game were to get well received enough, it'd put me in a rather interesting position of having a major influence on the pronunciation of names while said in English. Of course, since I'm aiming to make this more approachable to westerners, I'd focus on localizing the pronunciation than emulating the Japanese way (ex. Marisa would be said "Muh-re-sa" instead of "Mah-leesa"). Though the other plus of having full voice over would make it easier to have then localized into Japanese. Because all it would require is to replace all the *.wav's of the English RAW with Japanese DUBs.

I would very much like to try and distribute this Touhou fangame at an actual Comiket event

>>12949093
why does koa have fucking bunny ears for wings

>>12949050
>FSS claims that ZUN has "officially forbidden them from working on Touhou Smash because they sent a DMCA" even though the DMCA was clearly only targeted at the crowdfunding. claims that TSA has "banned him from working on the project" because they sent a "copyright notice."
Corrections/additions:
- When this started, a close friend of ZUN started tweeting with Saijee trying to explain what he was doing wrong. Said friend began following the threads on MotK.
- Saijee said he couldn't give back the money because he was under contractual obligations from Indiegogo.
- MotK said that's bullshit, you can't be contractually obligated to break the law. However, if Saijee wants to cut through this quickly he should ask ZUN to send Indiegogo a takedown notice so that everything gets reverted automatically. Saijee appeared to agree.
- Three days pass, and Saijee does nothing about Indiegogo.
- ZUN sends Indiegogo the takedown, presumably told by his friend that Saijee has agreed to it. Saijee's reaction is to start shouting that FSS are banned from having any association with Touhou ever again.
- MotK politely ask Saijee if he's retarded.
- ZUNfriend starts tweeting again saying he's seen FSS's latest video and he has no idea wtf they're on about, ZUN never said anything like that. He even draws up diagrams to explain it to Saijee.
- Saijee says no, he's right about this unless ZUN himself "admits he was lying about copyright by using a fake claim".

>>12949119
Wasn't there a part where he threatened to sue TSA and somehow stop anybody from making a Touhou fanwork ever again?

So basically

FSS
>TSA - We want to avoid rapelay (shoving 2hu into a non-doujin market, inviting stupid reaction from SJW). Doujin is supposed to be made with what you have at hand and not supposed to be commercial (like with crowdfunding, which basically guarantees cash)
>FSS - ZUN U DUM XENOPHOBIC FASDFASDFASDF
>TSA - N-no you can make your game, just don't do these two things we want to avoid pro-
>FSS - ARARDASFQWE%%@#%$

>>12949144
Also Saijee weeping that ZUN has "destroyed his dream" of making a Touhou game, complete with pictures of his avatar in orz position.

>>12949144
No, it wasn't like rapelay. SJWs had nothing to do with it.

>>12949119
Why couldn't Saijee take down the crowdfund himself? Just send a letter to Indiegogo:

"Hi, my project uses someone else's characters that they own the rights to. I thought I was given the okay to use them, but new events have come up and now I can't use them anymore. Please delist/cancel my project."

Is Indiegogo going to say no? When you tell them that your project is violating someone's copyright, are they going to say, "Suck it up, your problem?"

I don't get why he couldn't do that.

>>12949119
Saijee posted twice on MotK to say "I haven't read anything here, including the post above me; I've been too busy". Then a third post saying "I've read the thread and will be making a video which should answer your questions". Then a fourth saying "I didn't actually read the thread last time, I just wanted to get that weight off my shoulders. But this time a Youtube comment said I should read it."

>>12949169
He wouldn't because he wanted the money.

>>12949169
Because the dumb fuck was only in it for the money. He wanted to draw this shit out as long as possible hoping ZUN was a retard and wouldn't know how to file a claim on that shit.

>>12949163
It's an implied part of the rule.
Others have already mentioned the whole mistaking-with-official-2hu thing. Basically, Zun is saying he doesn't want a 2hu spinoff being released somewhere where real-2hu isn't even known because it's too out of context and misleading (and thus can lead to SJW etc..).

FSS mistook doujin for "western indie," which are absolutely not the same. It's not "doujin" if you go fucking sell it on the same shelf as cowadooty.

>>12949132
There's a Chinese doujin game that already shut themselves down because Saijee ranted about them "being exactly the same as Touhou Smash" in one of his videos and they didn't think their project could survive being associated with him.

>>12949144
What's funny is that they've accused ZUN of showing favoritism to CHINA, because Japan and China are both "the East" so it's not like they have any meaningful cultural differences or hate each other or anything. Oh wait.
http://bato.to/comic/_/comics/chuugoku-yome-nikki-r11166
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

...besides which, FSS are half-Japanese themselves. So they're basically accusing ZUN of only being racist against Japanese people.

>>12949199
That was a voting thing for getting 3 teams to make games on PS4. From what I gathered, they were just using Touhou to showcase their skills.

ZUN should just ban this chucklefuck from ever having anything to do with Touhou again.

>>12949066
It's even simpler than that.
I'll illustrate, in the same vein >>12949021 did:

''FSS: alrite we make gam now, give mony before gam develops
ZUN: Don't do that.
FSS: where doing it anyway lmao
ZUN: No crowdfunding for big money
FSS: FUK u if we can't make the BIG MONEY from comercialized game that mena we can't make it at all because ZUN hate DOUJIN SPRINT no mony no gam, thing is OVER''

As others have already said, then they started claiming that ZUN doesn't want them anywhere near his series, which people somehow are taking to mean that ZUN is xenophobic and hates westerners.

>>12949093
>And if my fan game were to get well received enough, it'd put me in a rather interesting position of having a major influence on the pronunciation of names while said in English.

That's fucking unreal.

>>12949093
>>12949119
Jesus christ, this guy is legitimately autistic.

We've been looking into this guy's history as a game dev; and I feel like the money was certainly a issue here. Especially how flexible funding has set it up in a way that he'll definitely get his money even if things go wrong. As a matter of fact, a previous project which dealt in flexible funding; but didn't make the total goal stated that the money was just a way of accelerating the project and that'd still be made regardless if it met it's goal or not.

The project was deleted off IGG; never finished, and deleted off any forums where it got promoted. Woop de doo.

>>12949093
Why does Cirno have breasts

>>12949632
For the same reason Flandre is significantly shorter than Remilia, Marisa is shorter than Rumia & Daiyousei and has freckles, among other glaring secondary faggotry I don't feel like pointing out.

>>12949119
>He even draws up diagrams to explain it to Saijee.

The diagram here.

https://twitter.com/Ruw/status/558857250417033216/photo/1

Doujin spirit? More like "Doujin spiFUCK YOU ZUN I STEAL YOUR SHIT AND WAVE MY DICK AT MY FANTARDS TO GET MONEY" amirite?

What an autistic jewcrab...

Seems like the guys at MotK have given up. They closed the thread and concluded that Saijee just won't listen because of his "firm belief".

>>12950340
It was going absolutely nowhere because Saijee was ignoring everything said to him that contradicted his "glorious vision". So it pretty much became a way for everyone to vent their frustration while Saijee continued to bask in the cockshower his YT fans gleefully threw at him.

Watch the thread reopen in a few days. I'm ready to put some money on it.

>>12947809
Is this case even ED worthy?

>>12950679
the world must know or his trisomy could become contageous

>>12950340
Given up because they passed literally 1000 posts in the thread (which seems to be the thread limit) and FSS still doesn't understand anything they're saying. FSS has essentially given up trying to get it back to a Touhou game even though everyone else knows that their shutdown claim is bullshit and being a Touhou game is fine, and that every failure they've had along the way was their own fault for being retarded.

Their only other reasoning seems to be that they want to release it for Steam and Wii U, despite Steam being nonsensical when they'd already be offering it for PC elsewhere, and because they want to "cater to the smash scene" even though nobody in the smash scene knows or cares.

>>12950801
Then i live to whoever want to ED this incident.

FSS are only interested in money. They prioritize the game being on the nintendo e-shop and steam over ZUN.

Don't support these talentless hacks.