/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Why?

Where's here?

By "here", do you mean /jp/? I stay here because it's better than the alternatives.

When?

I want to go to Gensokyo.

But here, do you mean this mortal coil, or what?

Give me one reason why I should leave?

Why not just stay here?

>>1292844
>>1292840
I think he means here of this world.

A lot of NEETs are NEETs because they can be, and they naturally enjoy the NEET lifestyle due to their predispositions.

Now some of these guys are depressed socially-withdrawn Hikki-types, but certainly not all, and most aren't suicidal in any way.

As for me, I am the former, I am simply lazy, and lack a clear path in life. I expect I'll be forced out of this one way or another, I'm already making efforts to end it and trying to finish my undergraduate education, but it's difficult to apply to stuff when you have so little motivation interest relative to your default routine. Some psychiatrists would say this is depression, and I could easily get it diagnosed as such if I were to say my personality interfered with my life and ability to function in society, but these factors are entirely subjective, and I don't much care for personality-altering drugs/medical treatments.

>>1292854
This.

Im not a NEET. I have a nice job, a career path even.

I stay in /jp/ because everything I love is here. Well, most of it anyway.

いいさ
いいさ

ゆっくりで、
いいさ～

It just happens I like stuff thats on /jp/. And plans for life are getting a job that can support me in my Technological and Weeaboo hobbys.

>>1292834
What's your guarantee that the next world is any good? For all we know it could be worse, or not there at all.

You can't take it easy if you are dead.

Hedonism

Consuming entertainment, fantasizing of a better life...
Living only to consume and fantasize is still better than not living at all.

>>1292856
Then that's easy. The reason I'm here is because I'm pretty darn curious. Even if my life hits rock bottom, I'll still be satisfied by knowing what happens.

I have a good job at Microsoft (well, contract work, but that's how it works here), and I go to school.

I come here because nobody understands me out there.

Of course, /jp/sies don't really understand be either, but it's easier to relate.

>>1292834
Because other people are boring or annoying. Social interaction is much like running two brick walls into each other, in my opinion, it's far too hard to get a message through to someone.

I tend to have an overactive sense of humor and it doesn't usually set well with other people. Boring people, if you ask me.

My only goal in this life is to grow wise and be happy. So far, everything has been going swell! What I have planned for the afterlife is another story entirely, but that's /x/.

I'm a NEET myself, for now I'm just taking it easy, enjoying things like Touhou, Anime and VNs.

I don't really care if I died tomorrow, but I'm not planning to go and throw myself to cars or something, too much work anyway.

>>1292888
And you wouldn't be able to enjoy VNs and Touhou.

>>1292892
These won't keep me entertained forever.

>>1292896
Since people keep coming out with new series of each, yes, it can.

>>1292896
Nothing can keep anyone entertained forever.

That's why most immortals go batshit insane. Out of boredom.


That said, VNs and Touhou are good for a couple decades at least.

>>1292896
Touhou maybe not, but VNs will. Technology is evolving, soon you'll have virtual reality VNs.

I'm a UC student, hold a paid internship, have a steady girlfriend, go to the gym regularly, and have a small, close-knit circle of friends. The NEET/Hikkikomori cliche is getting pretty old, guys.

Really though, I'm just here for Touhou.

>>1292902
That's why I don't want to be immortal. I can't stand insanity.

I go here because I'm interested in the stuff /jp/ talks about. Simple as that.

>>1292901
Not really, you will eventually get bored of the genres, it happened to me already with racing games. I loved those, I spent alot of my time playing them.. and now look at me, i can't stand playing that shit for 5 minutes.

>>1292908
>I'm a normalfag.
ಠ_ಠ

Did anyone else read that doujinshi where Mukou and Eirin are walking a devastated Earth far far in the future? Mukou was complaining about how sucky it would be to suffocate, die, revive, and repeat once the oxygen ran out.

>>1292909

Is that right?

>>1292914
>>1292920
Ouch. ;_;

>>1292902
>That's why most immortals go batshit insane. Out of boredom.

I don't personally know any living immortals, but I personally figured that was a fictional thing.

I mean, look at the elderly, they're incredibly rarely suicidal or bored unless they're in a hospital bed. And this is after they've had the experience of a hundred years.

Really, as an immortal you'd likely be good to go. All the experiences in the world, and you never have to worry about time or death. Not only that, but your memory would loosen after a few hundred years. You'd be able to go and experience it as new all over again.

Now, of course, if you didn't lose your memory, you'd be in great pain after a mere few days due to the ever-growing amount of electrons firing up in your brain.

>>1292924
Where is this from?

>>1292909
I'm not going to become insane. There are a lot of things, disembodied voices and dark images and things that want me to crack, but I won't. If I cracked, I wouldn't be able to have fun anymore.

I dont like other humans. Most of them are just boring, stupid, shitheads or all of it combinied.
I dont like sports, drinking like mad or taking drugs.

Why would I go outside just to meet people I dont like and do stuff I dont like?

>>1292932
I think it's also the fact the elderly can hardly do anything anymore and their bodies are crumbling around them which leads to boredom. I doubt you would see quite as many suicides from boredom and depression in the elderly if they still had healthy fit young bodies.

>>1292941
>drinking like mad
Your loss!

>>1292914
>>1292920
>>1292924
>>1292930

Shut up and just poar the tea, Jum.

>>1292916

I guess. I wouldn't call myself a NEET, but I tend to look down on most of the rest of society for having its head up its gaping collective ass.

>>1292932

Even people with Alzheimer's get bored.

And the truly old people aren't bored/suicidal, they're quite literally just 'in waiting'.
Waiting to die, of course.

and oh yeah, this goes in between >>1292914 and
>>1292920

>>1292932
Well, wouldn't all the memories of people you care about dying while you live on get to you? That and the mistakes of the previous generation being repeated by the next one.

I think it'd be the accumulated emotion from centuries of living that would eventually cause you to snap.

I'm still here because I'm afraid of death. And I'm worried I'll miss something interesting if I leave.

>>1292953
Go collect some more weapons point them all at you some way tie a rope to all tier triggers and shoot yourself.

>>1292903
Better read Ressentiment.

>>1292932
Old people realize they will die soon. It doesn't make them sad or bored or anything anymore, they realize that death is a fact of life. Being immortal is in a way killing off your own life, but instead of finally meeting death, you die slowly. Eons, sometimes. Eventually the only thing left alive would be your body, your soul and mind long gone, not out of boredom but out of want of death. Then you would die.

>>1292965
>Well, wouldn't all the memories of people you care about dying while you live on get to you? That and the mistakes of the previous generation being repeated by the next one.

You wouldn't remember them.
I think you're overestimating the human brain here.

After the first hundred years, You'd only have the faintest memories of not being immortal. That's if you're lucky.

>>1292956
>Waiting to die, of course.

No more waiting to die than you or I. Old age doesn't hit you like a terminal illness.

>No more waiting to die than you or I. Old age doesn't hit you like a terminal illness.

I AM waiting to die.
I just do stuff whilst waiting.
Old people don't bother doing stuff.

>>1292963
What is the source?

>>1292975
Right, I was under the assumption that your brain would change to adapt as well.

If what you say is true, then if you become immortal your soul really will die. In a sense anyway, from a certain point of view.

Right now I'm a NEET. I only leave the house about once a week. I spend most of my time listening to music. I'd prefer to have things stay this way, but eventually I know that I'll have to find some type of employment. I can't get the complete amount of privacy and seclusion I want living with my parents and I can't have the money to buy the things I want if I don't have a job. Thus I'm looking for ways to work from home. As for why I'm here, well, I like Touhou.

>>1292975
>After the first hundred years, You'd only have the faintest memories of not being immortal. That's if you're lucky.

And then you would meet new people and watch them die, again. It would be a neverending cycle of pain.

Im ugly so I better stay inside

>>1292963
name of this manga.

>>1292987
why can't more ugly people have this mindset

I never asked to be alive but now I don't want to be dead either.

>>1292834

I come to /jp because I like whats around this board. Sure a lot of ronery threads and hikki threads comes up from now and then.
From there, I can feel glad that I choose a different path.
I also feel glad that people rather choose to be an inactive part of society than being a criminal.
Sure, hikkis don't do anything other than keep themselves indoor and for each hikki, I imagine that there are people who stay outdoor most of the time, being the adventurer because they enjoy doing so.

Its like looking at the bad to see the good.

Being immortal would suck. After a while people will realize that you've been alive for more than 120 years. Then people would come after you and try to experiment.

>>1292980
the new Rozen Maiden manga.

>>1292986
>And then you would meet new people and watch them die, again. It would be a neverending cycle of pain.

Obviously, but it's not like it would weigh on you for infinity. People dying is just a part of life. If you can't handle it, then you're probably in the mood to kill yourself.

I just figured suicidal people wouldn't pursue immortality.

>>1292990
They got lucky and got real friends. Not just a bunch of bullies?

>>1292998
memefags go to /b/.

>>1293002
There actually is a new Rozen Maiden manga you know?

>>1292999
Isn't that a given?

I stay here because:
- Life and death are the same
- My few but very good, weird as hell and awesome friends.
- My sister wants take me away from this shitty country.
- I have someone that I love, she lives far away and sometimes she is tsundere as hell, she is too young and I am quite sure that her mother hates me , but ey I love her and maybe if I work hard enough I could have someone to love reciprocally for the first time in my life.
- Probably because I appreciate the good things in my life, my opportunities and gifts.

>>1293002
what

They say that to be enlightened is to be a little crazy. It would seem to me that if you live long enough you are certain to resolve the great matter and in effect go in that direction of self-sustaining bliss. You can find these crazy people in the streets or living in caves, we call them monks and bodhisattva, they sometimes become great prophets and found our world religions.

In the end we see that there are only superficial distinctions that distinguish the contented NEET from the saintly monk.

>>1292992
>I can feel glad that I choose a different path.

I have no regrets.
This is the only path.

Why am I so Tatsuhiro Satō in appearance?

Losers will always be losers.

The only thing that can fix a loser is Money, too bad they'll get scammed or lose their cash one way or another, so guys you better accept the fact that you'll suck at life no matter how times you get reborn, i already accepted the fact and i feel better.

>>1293016
Hey, I never thought of that.

Does that mean /jp/ is filled with enlightened buddhas?

>>1293031
It seems you've discovered our secret.

>>1293021

Fuck where was I when this was announced????

This is all because of the fucking split.

>>1293031
Well, we ARE religious after all...

>>1292677

>>1293016

The monks meditate with all that time. They CHOOSE by their own willingness to remove themselves from material possessions in order to train their mind. They still have to grow their own food and take care of their own homes.

Hikkis CHOOSE to be bounded in their room, for fear or boredom of the real world. Yet they do nothing but rot their minds and allow it to go into disuse, never challenging themselves, allowing others to care for them.

It is by choice, although one is probably forced onto them and the other is by willingness.

oh shi---

>>1293033

What's with these shitty students not paying attention to their lectures?

>>1293008

Yes, I assumed so.

Really,
>>1292993
Is one of the better arguments against immortality. Grief is a terrible argument, but being forced to deal with possible inconveniences for eternity is the one that makes me say no.
You'd have points of billions of years where you're waiting for the Universe to re-expand in immense pain. You'd be forced to deal with possible sentient beings capable of containing you for the years it took you to escape. There'd be instances of floating through space, constantly choking while you wait to hit something with air you could breathe.

The grief from watching friends die and boredom would really be the last things on your mind.

I know this Immortals are insane shit, well if you're immortal why not just wipe your memory and do everything over again and enjoy it. I mean you're immortal you could probably build a time machine or VR etc.... you'd never get bored because you can theres too much out there to get bored.

rapidshare of all translated chapters where?

>>1293044

Given enough time, all immortals will eventually be persuaded to do crime. Being in prison or being killed will mean little to you. Life would be all about booze, women and drugs.

Isn't that what heaven really is about? Eternal happiness? Doubt someone given the choice would live eternity reading books. Unless he is a bibliophile.

>>1293046
That's coming from a ASIAN guy with pimples and long hair? Irony.

>>1293043
Well you'd have to be an idiot not to use the power of time, most immortal would become some sort of a god to some civilization or something... With the help of technology you'd probably become god in a few billion years or even million.

>>1293046
at which chapter is i about dolls again?

>>1293043
>friends

Almost had me there.

>>1293051
Too much Spore.

On a related note, does anyone know any good jobs that would allow you to work from home? Employment time comes around eventually.

>>1293045

Most of the it are "second-hand" translations; from the original Japanese to Russian, then to English. See desuchan's /md/ for the rest of it (so far there only 5 chapters released by PEACH-PIT)

>>1292834
go to sleep Sato

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0&feature=related
thats what this thread needs

>>1293043

Yeah, but you'd get used to it like everything else. In the suspended reality of fiction, perpetual children can exist, like 1200 year old lolis who never grow up but never age either, despite having lived multiple life-times worth of experiences.

It's an interesting question, though. If you've lived 1200 years and experienced 12 centuries worth of technology and social progress, do you still bitch at the inconveniences of your aging hardware and the low-fps you get when using fraps? I'm torn in both directions to say yes you would, and no there's no way someone like that could still think the way we do today.

>>1293053
No just my feeling, i played spore for 4 or 5 hours then when i got the the galactic stage i quit and deleted the iso of the game... i doubt i'll play the game anytime soon it's too boring.

>>1293056
see >>1293052

>>1293051

That's my point however. Sure, life will be great for 5-10 billion years. But eventually, the planet you were on will be incapable of supporting you, losing it's gravity.

You'll be back to floating through space for a few hundred years, choking to death.

Even if you present the argument that you managed to obtain a way to travel through space, you'd have to with the universe compressing eventually.

When it compresses, you'll be in incredible pain for trillions and trillions of years while you wait for the next big bang.

>>1293056
This first chapter was actually done by some kind Anon, though. Straight JP -> EN, just a day after the scans showed up. Pity he didn't do the rest.

>>1293064
You underestimate technology a great deal... by the time the universe implodes i'd lead my civilization to another one or just create another one or travel trough time.

Why do you guys think so IN BOX? I mean you have billions of year to develop and discover everything! You're god, you create everything you do everything... and thinking that emotions or stuff like that will matter is idiotic by the time of 3000 years you'd be in complete control of every emotion you have, take for example the vulcans who suppers emotions for logic thats what an advanced civilization probably does. You seem to forget that the human brain is nothing more then an advanced machine that can be manipulated just as any machine today. Removing or adding information is no big deal...

>>1293064
You get used to pain.

>>1293065
No be quiet blyad Russian translators are awesome

>>1293075
2012... its all over faggots.

I'm already at the point where NEETdom is starting to drive me nuts. It took me 3 years to reach this point, but it's different for everyone. When I think about anime/videogames is all "gee, I've seen/played everything in existence."

I became one at age 21, because I was unsure of the path in life I was taking back then. Strangely, I was blessed with parents who would never throw me out of their home. Probably because their own childhoods were so shitty. I don't feel any guilt for leeching, though, because I know I will eventually make it all up to them.

Though think about it: is there anything wrong with fucking up for a few years? Hell no, every person has the right to dick around for 3-5 years. If you do it right, then you can probably live a long and healthy life. Messing up or taking it easy for a few years is nothing.

The other day, a /jp/ Anon posted how he was going back to school to finish his GED. I applaud his actions, as school-related fuck ups are the easiest thing in the world to correct. Shit, get your undergrad done by age 30, and you'll still be far ahead than most people. Hell, age 40! Lordy knows there's people in their 40's trying to do it right now at your local college/university.

Me? I must move on; there is nothing more I can learn from this NEET lifestyle. I'll be back at school in January. I don't like leaving things unfinished, anyways.

>>1293075

Why do you assume there are other universes? And that you can travel to them?
If you can at all, even as an immortal, you'd still be stuck as a mere three-dimensional person. Incapable of living in a four dimensional universe, or whatever one you find.

You can hop galaxies, sure, but eventually you'll be caught in the cycle.

>>1293076

I'd highly doubt that.
We're talking about being reduced to not existing, but still existing at the same time.
This is not pain in the mere physical sense.

>>1293055

>>1293081
What do you plan to do after school?

>>1293081
/jp/ - Zun's Blog

>>1293085
Well mostly scientific theorys that suggest that every universe is a bubble that forms expands and blows up and from the ashes of that a new time/space bumble forms and a new universe is born. And again i mention time travel. Since scientist do say it might be possible but you'd need too much energy, well you have the time to gather that energy when you're immortal. Again you are thinking too much IN BOX...

>>1293087
Make money.

It really sucks having no money. That's the one major downside of being a NEET.

>>1293099
My blog is also your blog!

>>1293112
No shit you want to make money.

Any idea what you plan or want to go into after school?

>>1292834
i dream of becoming an economist, but getting a job as one is near impossible if you have no contacts, here in my country being an engineer means becoming your average salaryman.

I hit NEET status just after high school. Didn't really feel like going to college, so I didn't. Didn't feel like getting a job, so I didn't.

God bless my parents, but sometimes I wonder if I should be doing something with my time. The issue, I think, is that I'm lazy and I have family who will support my laziness.

I'm not really a fan of medication, but sometimes I wonder if some kind of anti-depressant would make me more motivated to go out and do something. Not that I really want to, of course. I'm not unhappy, I'm just stupid and lazy.

>>1293111

I'll be simple here. The time travel that would be possible is not the same time travel you are imagining. What you are imagining is multidimensional traveling.

You are a mere three-dimensional creature and always will be, therefore multidimensional traveling is and always will be beyond your, and our grasp.

If you want to place false hope in something, you should look to travel FORWARD, which in theory may be possible.

It would still be a herculean task, you'd have to devote trillions of years of immortality to gathering the resources required, an unending cycle of burden. The very reason I would choose not to.

>>1293111
>every universe is a bubble that forms expands and blows up
No, no, no, not at all.
As long as a universe continues to expand, all that happens is entropy runs it's course and we're left essentially nothing. There's a possibility of a Big Rip occurring, but that doesn't create new universes, just destroys everything ever in the current one.
You're thinking of the Big Crunch, which requires a contracting universe. Considering our universe is expanding and accelerating that rate of expansion, it's not likely to happen.

Time travel is almost certainly not possible.

/jp/ - Freeform Roleplaying/Personal Issues

>>1293121
Medication won't work against lazyness, trust me, i tried.

23/Male, I'm an anti-social type. Due to my family history, it was rather difficult to make friends. Plus my family was generating little income which barely could support the whole family. my father deceased 10 years ago and money support has become very fragile after this incident. i ended up not taking up university and went straight to getting a job.

So..i just spend a lot of time on the net and find things to do. currently working full-time and swing trading stocks for extra income. i regret taking this path but there's nothing much i can do about it.

>>1293144
What type of job do you have?

>>1293117

Yeah. Well, I've decided on majoring in environmental engineering, as studying its required subjects are revelent to my interests. Also, having a goal like that actually motivates me. I'll see what life brings me as I come close to finishing this goal.

>>1293121
>>depressed
>>Not that I really want to
>>I'm just stupid

Been there, done that! I think the turning point was a year ago when I manned up, and made myself an appointment with a psychologist. I was pretty much a new man after 3 visits, as I just needed someone to talk to.

I know that things do not work the same for everyone, though.

>>1292834

we are all waiting for full power activation of the LHC, (near the end of this month ), and die falling in a frozen lake of another dimension , filled with gorgeous women and monsters with silly hats.

No need to go outside . Outside gets to you.

>>1293157

I work as the Head Maid at the Scarlet Devil Mansion. My job includes: Cooking, cleaning, and taking care of my Mistress, her sister, and a friend of the Mistress who lives with us. As the Head Maid, my job also includes keeping the other maids in line, as well as our useless door guard.

I am physically fit. I'm also well-endowed and quite beautiful. For exercise, I play danmaku with the local shrine maiden and shoo off pesky magicians who try to steal from our library.

I am single, but I'm not looking for any kind of relationship. I have a very demanding job, with more things to do in a typical day then what I have time for, so I do not have time to seek out a companion. I am married to my job, so to speak.

>>1293134
>>1293132
For all we know these are just theorys and i too am just speculating here. But saying that immortality is hell and boring is foolish. Too much can happen... hell we might even discover that god exist or the after life i find it unlikely but i see a possibility in everything. My main point is immortality would be awesome.

>>1293177

>>1293189
>these are just theorys and i too am just speculating here
The difference being what I posted was a legitimate scientific theory with actual theoretical and observable basis, whereas what you're posting is a load of shit you incorrectly call a theory.

Just because it's speculation, doesn't make it wrong.

>>1293189
>these are just theorys and i too am just speculating here
The difference being what I posted was a legitimate scientific theory with actual theoretical and observable basis, whereas what you're posting is a load of shit you incorrectly call a theory.

Just because it's speculation, doesn't make it a theory.

>>1293189

Of course they are theories, but the end result is true. No matter which theory you pick, you're in for some serious pain. Merely following existing trends, you're in for pain.

And what's more, by being immortal you will never be able to escape that pain, as you forever immortal as a three dimensional being. This limits the only escape routes you have.

>>1293205
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.or/wiki/Oscillatory_universe
etc...
As far as i can see the oscillatory universe theory is the bubbles i spoke about, and the different bubbles are the different universes.

>>1293211
Unlike all the theories i've been writing and shit the easiest way to do thinks is simply Copy/Paste/Delete information from the brain...
One can simply shut off every kind of emotion.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4187803

>>1293219
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillatory_universe
>ending with a big crunch.
Again, our universe is expanding and that rate of expansion is accelerating. There's no reason to assume we're heading toward a Big Crunch.

I've no issues with Bubble Theory, but keep in mind these bubbles are disparate entities. There's no way to get from one to the other.

>>1293219

The theory of a multiverse is mostly just scientific fantasy, but as I said. You are immortal as a three dimensional being.

Odds are not good that you would end up in a universe capable of supporting you. You'd have to suffer until you got lucky.

I myself, follow the big bounce, as it seems the most humane. But you'd have to deal with crunches. Here you'd have an opportunity to escape the issue, as with the universe compressing, energy will approach infinity. With infinite energy you could begin acceleration until time stops. Of course, you could do nothing but sit there in ether as you are stuck as a three dimensional being. If only you weren't immortal here, huh?

>One can simply shut off every kind of emotion.

This is mostly bull, but if you're going to do this, why be immortal?

because there is no difference

Combination Scientific Theory/ life lamenting thread?

>>1293236
>There's no way to get from one to the other.
Yet to be proven but I agree.

>Again, our universe is expanding and that rate of expansion is accelerating. There's no reason to assume we're heading toward a Big Crunch.

I do not think we had enough time to study it,i mean look
>Only about 4% of the total energy density in the universe (as inferred from gravitational effects) can be seen directly. About 22% is thought to be composed of dark matter. The remaining 74% is thought to consist of dark energy, an even stranger component, distributed diffusely in space

We have yet to see proof for this, except the seen part... we have no idea what dark matter can/could effect the expansion rate or the universe. Imagine a infinitely dense energy something in a part of the universe that could pull us towards it since we know gravity isnt the strongest force between matter and indeed gravity isnt enough to stop or revere the expansion on the universe but some other force could something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_interaction could.

Being an immortal would suck.

>>1293268

Just so you realize, unending expansion is just as bad, if not worse, right?

As the universe expands, the amount of usable energy will constantly decrease.

That means no planets with oxygen, and no energy to make any oxygen with.

Hope ya like choking.

>>1293241
Well looking at this thread it's full of bull, but the OP didn't define immortality why would you have to the 3D? ...

>>1293291

I am the one who proposed the idea

I would think the mere mention of how a brain would work in this hypothetical immortality case would clue you in to the limitations.

I want to be immortal but with the ability to kill myself if I ever want to.

>>1293293
This kind of kills the debate, but yeah best option ever.

>>1293289
>As the universe expands, the amount of usable energy will constantly decrease.
That happens with any given universe as time increases. Welcome to entropy.

>>1293306

That's the point

Why be immortal if you have to deal with that?

At least with the bounce, you only have to suffer until the next expansion.

>>1293310
The wording made it sound like the expansion of the universe was the causation, not entropy.

>>1293313

Hit up the /jp/ archive, It's a reply to a post Croatia deleted.

He was arguing that there would be no crunch, and the universe would simply keep expanding.
With the implication that it was for some reason a good thing.

>>1293318
There's some science behind the non-collapse theory, at least.

Can't imagine what eons upon eons of pain would do to the mind though....

>>1293318
Well technically if you where a hyper advanced civilization you could just make an structure to contain a part of the universe... something like the proposal to build a sphere around the sun to harvest all the energy except more advanced, and since energy is constant it only changes forms you could recycle it forever.

>>1293329
No.

Entropy.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>1293327
>There's some science behind the non-collapse theory, at least.

As I stated, I follow the big bounce merely because it seems the most humanitarian.
The idea of a universe that will reach a point that it cannot contain life at all scares my fragile little mind.

>>1293333
Yes, i have. While one form of energy may be transformed to another, the total energy remains the same whatever you do, so it's possible to just live in a special sphere forever.

>>1293333
>>1293339

T'would only work if you could prevent all energy from leaving the sphere.

>WHICH IS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE DUE TO ENTROPY.<

>>1293339
No, it isn't.

Every process creates entropy. You can't get that entropy back as energy.

THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

>>1293329

I'll try to explain this so it's simple enough for you to understand.

Okay, great, you can harvest energy.
Now you need an infrastructure to use that energy.
But wait, the universe is expanding, and your infrastructure has to grow as well!
The universe will expand forever though, so you won't be able to harvest enough energy to meet expansion demands. To put it blunty, the more the universe expands, the less energy you'll be able to utilize, until you can utilize none.

>>1293354
>>1293359
Yeah and theres nothing faster then the speed of light, sure... except well tachyons. You'd think if you have the power to build a sphere that can contain a part of space you'd have technology to counteract entropy as well...

>>1293388
You are misunderstanding what i'm saying here. Not the whole universe only a very small part or it, there no need to use the whole... nor is there the enough resources in the whole universe to do that.

>>1293378

Multivac , tell me how to reverse Entropy

>>1293399

The point is, you're delving into techniques that are beyond human ability.
You will not have enough resources to maintain even the smallest area indefinitely.

>>1293408
Give me immortality and you'll have the answer. But then again you'd have to be immortal to hear the answer. Just give it to your self.

We need to KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. We realized that Newtonian physics dont work very well in quantum physics and i'm sure the quantum physics laws wont apply to something else will find. Dont be a faggot like that 19th century guy that say we have discovered everything...

Yes, i'm changing the subject because what i'm talking about here is a perpetuum mobile and by 21st century technological knowledge it cant exist.

>>1293378
Settle down, Multivac.

>>1293427
>You will not have enough resources to maintain even the smallest area indefinitely.

By the laws of physics it's impossible to do that and I agree with you, because i'm a faggot and i like to speculate.

>>1293438
>Give me immortality and you'll have the answer.

It's just as likely you won't.
You have a limited timeframe here, is what everyone is trying to explain, and a limited memory as well.

>>1293500
I'd take the chance.

>>1293515

Okay, Enjoy wasting the initial first 10 billion years of your immortality and risking eternal suffering if you fail.

There is no retries like with the big bounce. Once the universe is inhospitable, it'll only get worse. For eternity.

>>1293390
>except well tachyons.

Tachyons do not and cannot exist fgt.

>>1293524
look here
>>1293416
>>1293490

>>1293390
If you're going to argue with some laws of physics, the Laws of Thermodynamics are some /very bad ones/ to try and take on.

We can't reverse entropy. The End.

>>1293526
Prove me wrong...

>>1293532

If they do exist they immediately cease to exist.

lol lightspeed

>>1292834
I can't discuss about VNs in my real life without looking like some weirdo.

>>1293527

That changes no point of the argument. It still leads to inhospitality in which you will be too overcome by pain to think.

>>1293535
You didnt prove me wrong, you just said the existed for a short period of time, thats like saying theres no http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununbium because it only exist at best for 8 seconds...

>>1293532
Burden of proof lies on you.

>>1293542

They IMMEDIATELY cease to exist.
As in, 0 time.
ZERO. NADA. ERGO THEY NEVER EXISTED AT ALL.

>>1293547
Well nobody has proven that the do exist but no one has proved that they dont... so it's kind of like god.

>>1293550
Except God doesn't exist.

Your point?

>>1293550

Yes.
It's NOT SCIENCE, so GET THE FUCK OUT.

And as >>1293545 says, the Burden of Proof lies with YOU, not I.

>>1293553
He's to ridiculous to exist, tachyons on the other hand are a bit more plausible but I do agree with you it's just a exotic theory.

it depends on the definition of "god".We, humans,
are gods in a way,too.

>>1293561

And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"

Thread just came full circle

>>1293562

Yeah, you know, a paradox-in-a-box is way more likely to exist than any other impossible artifact.

>>1293561

He prrrrobably meant God as in the OMNIPOTENT KAMI-SAMA

>>1293564
Fuck no, i hate the omnipotent shit as much as anyone that has a brain, the term omnipotence in it self is a big paradox.

>>1293568

And saying an object that, by existing, causes itself to not exist, is NOT a paradox?

>>1293568

Don't worry Croatia, You're just missing the joke.

Read more books.

>>1293572
I never said it aint a paradox. They could probably exist with different laws in FTL, but not inside normal space. Thats the point.

>>1293579

Ergo, they don't exist as far as physics is concerned.
And ergo, you admit entropy cannot be halted as far as physics is concerned.
Ergo, being immortal would SUCK LION BALLS.

For an immortal being, the past, future and present are the same thing.

Time nolonger matters, there are no future days or past days only existance.

>>1293588

Yeah, that point was kind of covered.
What's being discussed is what happens to an immortal during the end of existence.

We have limits.
We cannot see what lays beyond the speed of light. We cannot surpass the density of black matter. We cannot make existing metals lighter.
That doesn't mean that there is something with higher limits than humanity has reached. They might all just be moving around faster than the speed of light.

>>1293590
Depends, would we assume that with immortallity also comes the abillity to remember/learn everything?

Eternity wouldn't be such a pain in the ass if you've achieved true enlightenment from billions of years of expirience... probably

>>1293597

Nope, Point was covered. If you remembered everything, you'd be in too much pain to make immortality worth it.

You have a human memory.
Things start to get fuzzy after the first hundred years, and after a thousand you won't remember it at all.

>>1293588
Yeah, none of us are immortal.

>>1293604
Speak for yourself, insect!

So can I has everyone's immortality?

>>1293628

I could give you my life-giving juice, if you know what I mean.

>>1293590
Which is kinda weird, because we're assuming you will somehow still exist(and be immortal) after your body is crushed into netronium, desintegrated into atoms, or if the atoms themselves fell apart from the space expansion, everything stopps due to entropy, or you somehow end up in another universe where laws of physics are different and the matter as we know it doesn't exist.

And then we wonder how would that feel.

Doesn't that pretty much depends on how your immortality is set up? We haven't even decided if you are still thinking with your brain (neurons, synapses and the stuff) or some energy field interacting through it.
Most of the discussion seems to assume there'd be an immortal soul, that would somehow be impervious to all attacks (eg. getting crushed with the universe), but still able to think and suffer.