/jp/ - Otaku Culture

For the same reason other shitty countries keep voting for the same shitty politicians even after a curriculum of failures.

>>12852955
because elevens cant into acepting failures anymore except if they commit sudoku

the system has been rigged since 1947. hope that helps.

>>12852955
Hey, the United States went through pretty much the same thing with Bush's policies.

Democracy means that the most charismatic people rule. Charisma has little to do with how capable people are when it comes to running a country.

By letting the masses vote, you're basically making people that are entirely ignorant on everything that comes with running a country the judges of who should be running their country. Of course that doesn't work in the long term. Every democratic country is doomed to have failures like this.

>>12853000
>elevens
>cant into
>commit sudoku
Anyone else periodically have that realization how most of our speech would be incomprehensible to non-internet-savvy people?

Because Japan is a country with collective mindset. Democracy doesn't really work in countries where having a different opinion is shameful.

>>12853013
>Democracy means that the most charismatic people rule.

Good thing the United States is a Federal Constitutional Republic, and not a Democracy.

Japanese people are stupidly conservative and nationalistic to the point that they will keep voting in parties that promise to return Japan to the "golden days" (1930s) over the actual interests of the people in the country. In Japan, the countries glory comes before the people living in it. (sort like how since the 1980s in the west, the economy comes before the people)

Japan also has a massively aging population, think Babyboomer problems in the west x10. They also buy into the whole "return Japan back to how it was when I was a kid!" bullshit.

If you go on 2ch, you will see that basically the entire left has given up and is just watching the world burn, and the reactionary right go even more retarded and radical since they've just been a failure decade after decade.
Go watch that Ghibli documentary, madness and dreams or whatever it's called, Ghibli is basically filled with far-left Socialists and when it shows them discussing politics, it's basically them just sitting around the newspapers all with their hands in their faces going "Jesus fucking christ"

>>12853020
Yet people in this same place complain about "buzzwords" like "edgy" etc.

>>12853013
So a beta cuck nigger is charismatic?

>>12853047
well what else do you think moot has?

>>12853034
Because of the Japanese age problem, shouldn't it be much easier to move to Japan and get a job/wife? I've heard that it's hard to get a job there in most industries but it doesn't seem like it would be with the age problem, or at least not for long.

>>12853065
No, because they still hate foreigners and would die before importing 3rd worlders.

LDP might run the country into the ground, but atleast they're keeping out the koreans*.

*not really

>>12853065
The Japanese are not like most western countries when it comes to the hiring of foreigners, and they are xenophobic from years of isolation/EoJ rule.

He's still in power because of the lack of a credible alternative on the side of the Japanese left.
This is further compounded when you get a heavily aging conservative population that wants to or be ridden by Abe and his promises of the good times.
Japan is inevitably heading for a collapse similar to late 70s Britain, only then will change occur.

>>12853013
Polite reminder that even Greek Democracy ended up in a dictatorship/empire

>>12853123
>even

more like especially

>>>/pol/
>>>/int/

Does this mean my gaijin bucks will get me a higher quality japanese wife?

>>12853031
Quoting Wikipedia,

>Democracy is a form of government in which eligible citizens may participate equally – either directly by voting for the passing/rejecting of laws or running for office themselves, or indirectly through elected representatives. – in the proposal, development and establishment of the laws by which their society is run.

>A republic is a form of government in which power resides in the people,[1] and the government is ruled by elected leaders run according to law (from Latin: res publica), rather than inherited or appointed (such as through inheritance or divine mandate).

A republic is a democracy by its very definition. You are confusing with democracy as a general concept with direct democracy, where all eligible citizens vote directly for laws.

And you knew damn well what I meant even if your point of me supposedly using the wrong term had been valid.

>>12853080
underrated post

How is the Japanese left? Are they like the retarded current Western left wanting to flood the country with migrants and promote gay marriage/extreme feminism or somewhat more sensible (say like the pre-60s Western left)?

Because they believe their policies will change the long term and these are just some short term pain.

>>12853040
2014 buzzwords where cuck and shill, though

>>12852997
this

>>12853268
Fragmented to say the least. There's many parties representing the left and they struggle to actually agree with each other which prevents them mounting a successful opposition.
Far from being near the standards of current western left they're more often than not like retarded pre-60s left with strange policies relating to dismantling the army and isolationism, Japan is the only country with a 'still credible' communist party for example.
There are some good ideas like throwing cash at parents to try and get more babies and ideas about workers rights but they're a bit behind the curve.
Like with the right wing parties there's just not enough young people with fresh ideas on the left and everyone at the top is stuck in another era unable to find the exit.

>>12853390
The DPJ during its last period in office did manage to get through some reforms, it's not left, it's centrist however it was plagued by being ineffective for most of its time in power. Partially this could be attributed to winning an election and hitting the ground. The LDP have only been booted out of office twice.

>>12853268
The immigration thing is a fairly strange quirk with Japan, because it has such an enormous aging population unless it starts promoting its women to bear children, like the 30s then it'll need at least some immigration because otherwise the country will collapse, which is at odds with a country that really doesn't want to open its doors even a tiny bit.

>>12853065
>job
But they do import workers because of the aging population : if you have some kind of medical qualification and are fluent in moonspeak, you can probably find a job in a hospital there. But your day will probably consist in changing old people's diapers and giving them their meds and daily checkups.

If you think about getting a regular office worker job, you'd better have crazy credentials and be fluent in moon, and/or nepotism route.

>wife
How would the aging population translate in better chances for gaijins to marry a japanese woman ?

>>12853559
He's into granies.

>>12853005
It was even more rigged before 1945, and the two years in between were hardly enjoyable, if it is any condolence.

>>12853034
>the economy comes before the people
But it is the desires and independent financial abilities of the individual which enable stable growth of the economy, along with a large division of wealth amongst many players.

Its more like the needs of an empowered few come before the needs of the many, which is also the biggest issue in Japan and Korea, since the empowered few use their power through wealth and politics to... empower themselves further.

We need another, crazy bipolar world order to give those at the top something to fear.

>>12853138
To be fair, this thread has been more civil and sound than anything on those two boards. Also, this a Japanese Culture boards, and politics is nigh inseparable from culture.

Japanese people are notoriously right wing populists.

Just look at anime, whenever politics comes up, it always takes a right wing, conservative and ultra-nationalist bent.

Probably one of the most interesting political anime in recent years was Shin Sekai Yori, which blatantly deals with heavy themes of Fascism and Socialism and the show outright sides with the Fascists (Kami) against the Socialists (Robberfly) and you hear some of the outright most reactionary bullshit from the characters that you could easily put those words in the mouth of Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Riley.

Another anime that really stands out for it's ultra-right politics is Gasaraki.

>>12853592
"It" didn't even exist prior to 1945.

why is it more important for abe to allow nuclear weapons into japan then free trade

>>12853616
>politics is nigh inseparable from culture
They're actually mutually exclusive but /jp/ concerns itself with neither.

>>12853881
Because WMD's are deterrents from main land invasions.

I highly doubt the U.S would allow Japan to have nuclear weapons of their own, and if it does it would be under U.S surveillance/control for reasons that the current Japanese government wouldn't be able to raise an argument against.

>>12853874
What criminals, and failures.

>>12853881
Because golden days and good family values.

>>12853874
By "it," I thought you meant the people's interaction with the government. My mistake.

>>12853881
Japan is Murica's meatshield. Are you stupid enough to think its national politics serve the interests of the Japanese people?

>>12853909
I was referring to meaningful, heterogeneous political opposition but your interpretation still works.

what do you guys think about the possibility of relaxing the rules and extending tourism / working / student visas?
China - USA have recently done so, allowing 10 year visas.
and one of the rumblings within the econ world is that Japan could look into a deal like this for a very simple way to immediately inject life into the economy, even if only moderately.

could be exciting

>>12853989
They already offer a good 6 month tourist visa exemption for western Europe which I could see being extended to the US.
Work Visas are going to need to be relaxed at some point as the need for immigration becomes critical although that'd probably be after 2020.

Does this thread even belong here?

>>12854092
janny likes it because it makes weebs worried

>>12853873
That's a fairly simplistic reading of Shinsekai Yori, but you're not too far off the mark.

If anything, the contrast it presents is more like authoritarianism versus disorder, chaos and anarchy instead of capitalism versus socialism. Since it basically concludes that authoritarianism is the way to go when combating those dark forces it's still pretty reactionary.

Think about it: young, naive kids are initially horrified when they realize how dystopic their society is, but once confronted by the horrors of the world they realize that the authoritarian and draconian nature of the system is what keeps their civilization from disintegrating. That's right, viewers at home, your freedoms are overrated and if you don't wanna die you'd better vote LDP.

>>12853873
Yep.

The core contrast it presents is authoritarianism versus disorder, chaos and anarchy, seen both in external threats (the rats) and internal threats (deviants/subversive elements aka fiends/karma demons). Since it basically concludes that authoritarianism is the way to go when combating those dark forces it's pretty damn reactionary.

Think about it: young, naive kids are initially horrified when they realize how dystopic their society is, but once confronted by the horrors of the world they realize that the authoritarian and draconian nature of the system is what keeps their civilization from disintegrating. That's right, viewers at home, your freedoms are overrated and if you don't wanna die you'd better vote LDP.

>>12853390
>Fragmented to say the least. There's many parties representing the left and they struggle to actually agree with each other which prevents them mounting a successful opposition.

>tfw this things happen to my country.

Thanks t the left we've got 20 Berlusconi's years. Why left politicians are so retarded?

>>12852955
Because they let the DPJ have a chance and they sucked.

>>12853873
>Just look at anime

You mean look at that one anime you cherry-picked and ignore the rest?

God, you must hate freedom of expression. How can they allow that one anime be made, those right-wing bastards.

>>12853271
In the long run we are all dead.

>>12853881
Because nuclear weapons mean no one fuck with you.
>>12854101
What a bastard.

Janny will delete loli thread and such, but a political discussion is okay as long as it hurts weebs.

>>12856952
You seem butthurt. You very well know that no sane person visits /pol/

>>12856972
I'm always butthurt.

And I used to visit /pol/ before mod nuking it.

>>12856974

I know just the guy to give you advice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxYiVs4JKJU&list=FLaVKQc4h1ig_ngJiRxQbozA&index=11

>>12856984
Thanks but butthurt fuel me bro.

>lack of leftism is what is dragging Japan down.

Really? America is full of it right now and the country is pretty much just as shitty.

Why does this thread sound like a bunch of idiots that failed in life because they have a degree on history of feminism and can't get a job because "the white man" oppression.

>>12853881
I don't know... because they're surrounded by fucking China and North Korea?

>>12856996
Because that's how you caricature everyone left of right.

>>12853881
Japanese people mostly agree that agriculture should be protected and that poses a massive stumbling block to most free trade deals.

>>12857011
>Because that's how you caricature everyone left of right.

As opposed to everyone doing it even worse than me in this thread? Anyhow you didn't get to the point of my argument. How is leftism supposed to save Japan if it's fucking the rest of world in the butt?

>>12857024
It doesn't.

People just want to complain about strong-arm right because it's not working right now and ignore the fact the leftist Japan has been in rule once and they suck even harder.

>>12857024
>As opposed to everyone doing it even worse than me in this thread?
Most people aim it generically against Japan or other people who are to be found nowhere in this thread.

>How is leftism supposed to save Japan if it's fucking the rest of world in the butt?
よそはよそうちはうち

I like traditionalism and xenophobia as much as anyone else in /jp/, but often I speculate that the excessive deference paid to authority and tradition in Japan might be hamstringing their economy. Not that I'm an expert on Japanese society or anything.

>>12857024
"Leftism" isn't one monolithic concept. It's used to describe standpoints ranging from the multi-culti m-muh feelings authoritarian shit you're thinking of to Voltaire and Montesquieu-style individual liberty/representative democracy classical liberalism/leftism. Most people in this thread are using leftism/liberalism to mean anything other than LDP borderline totalitarian nationalism with a side helping of nostalgia for the good old days of imperialism.

>>12853873

this is a good thing

>>12857059
Complaining for the sake of complaining then since classical liberalism is pretty fucking dead.

Nowadays it's either state capitalist or state communist, and that's it.

>>12854725
[I'm quoting a hypothetical conversation that happens frequently amongst left-wing parties in wealthy nations]
>(1-kun) Okay dudes, let's build a platform that will help us win an election
>(2-chan) Um, excuse me? Did you forget to address the womyn in this room?!
>(1-kun) S-sorry, I meant nothing-
>(2-chan) Of course you didn't
>(3-kun) We need to start by declaring our intention to nationalize all ice cream parlours
>(4-kun) And first thing when we seize the means of ice cream production is to introduce quotas for hiring
>(5-kun) Quotas are inherently bourgeois, once we seize the means of production everything will fall into place
>(3-kun) I thought we banned maoists from our party
>(5-kun) Fuck you! I'm going to start my own Communist Party that will get 50 votes in the next election!
>(4-kun) That's racist! Leave it to the spoiled middle class white boy to start his own party rather than share his privilege
>(2-chan) This discussion has been taken over by men, the greenio party will install speaking rules that will allow me to go on ten minute tangents about rape culture
>(1-kun) Why god?
>(4-kun) Your g*d oppresses me, I'm leaving so I can distribute flyers on street corners

>>12857082
All political talk online is complaining for the sake of complaining, we have about as much chance of actually affecting Japanese politics IRL as we do of electing a 2D president.

if you're going to talk politics at least try to keep it relevant to japan so we can pretend the board's still labeled /jp/ - japan general

also all of you who are big on traditionalism should be saging this shitty thread

>>12857090
Then excuse me I guess, I'd rather waste time to discuss something I like to instead of complaining for the sake of complaining.

>>12857030
Then there's nothing to complain about.

Democracy these days is picking the less damaging poison. You can hate nationalism as much as you want but it's still a million times better than crazed feminists, white guilt and social security frenzy. At least in Japan they can still make jokes without begin called a rapist. In America these days this seems like a dream come true.

>>12857100
Can't even sage anymore dawg.

Moot or should I say, joot, killed it.

>>12857082
The point was that jumping down the throats of everyone calling leftism a potentially good thing for Japan because of how much you hate SJWs is silly, since that's not what leftism is referring to in this context. Here, leftism refers to any alternative to traditionalism.

>>12857113
I guess my point is that you should be at least realistic and consider the leftist/alternatives to LDP in Japan.

>>12857122
>consider the EXISTING leftist
Not quoting, just fixing.

>>12857112
You can still sage, just nobody can see it. The difference between a principled person and a worthless poser is that the first guy acts the same way when nobody is watching.

>>12857122
Last I checked the DPJ wasn't overrun with rabid tumblr feminists.

>>12857122
People have already pointed out that leftists in Japan have screwed the pooch in the past. That doesn't mean that everyone should abandon hope forever and surrender to the LDP.

Japan's problem, and to a lesser extent the Western World's problem? People live too long.

There are people not finding a job until after college, and retiring at 65, or 62 in places like France.

65-22 = 43 years of work. Too many people are living to be 80s and 90s now, effectively working for half or less of their lifetime. Not only that, they're drawing from pensions, not really adding tax revenue. Its just not feasible.

>>12857112
you put sage into the optional field instead of the email field, it's not that big a change

>>12857128
Sorry, I might confuse them with the Japanese communists.
>Last I checked the DPJ wasn't overrun with rabid tumblr feminists.
They do sound nice on the most parts, until I read this:

>Compliance with the three constitutional principles

>The Democratic Party proclaim to hold the values in the meaning of the constitution to "embody the fundamental principles of the Constitution": popular sovereignty, respect for fundamental human rights, and pacifism.[10]
>pacifism

>>12857136
It does mean there are two choices right now, and the lesser evil is the better choice.

>>12857147
Considering that non-aggression is literally written into the modern Japanese constitution, that's a fairly reasonable stance. In practice, it just means they disagree with the LDP desire to get around that and develop offensive military capabilities.

>>12857128
>The difference between a principled person and a worthless poser is that the first guy acts the same way when nobody is watching.
You had me there.

I guess I should start saging.

>>12857147
by pacifism they mean no current plans to invade korea

>>12857113
>leftism a potentially good thing for Japan because of how much you hate SJWs is silly, since that's not what leftism is referring to in this context

Why is it silly again? It's the truth. Everywhere they pass things like SJW appear you don't need to be a super genius to link those two things together. And the context doesn't really matter because you're talking abstract politics, things on paper that nobody will even bother making it a reality.

Leftism did good things in the past but nowadays it's not doing good for anybody but corporations (which they "fight against" on paper) and the government itself. This is a fact, like it or not.

>>12857158
No self-defense is never a reasonable stand, and unless pacifism's definition is changed, it means get beaten up and not fighting back.

>>12857147
>pacifism

Think of it as Buddhist pacifism. "Don't tread one me." if you would. It does allow for self-defense.

I have no complaints with the ideals, so long as they do not invade anyone again. I am willing to forgive what their ancestors did so long as the children do not repeat their mistakes.

>>12853065
>>12853139
>>12853473
>>12853989
No, no, NO! Fuck off, stay in your own fucking country. Japan does not want you. If you're such a fucking failboat at life that you need to leave your country and dont want to put the elbowgrease in to be a contributing part of it, move to another country that is part of the west. You are westerners. It doesnt matter how much you love Japanese things, you will never be Japanese and you will never be accepted. Its the same thing going the other way around, despite what left-wing media will have you believe. If they get flooded with foreign people, it will stop being the Japan we know and love.
If you really want to help, dont buy chinese or Korean goods, get your electronics and other bullshit from Japan.

>>12857176
>we want ur money but pls stay away

>>12857174
It's not like you can do anything to their ancestors in the first place, they are mostly dead.

And buddhist pacifism is different sect by sect, some of it means no self-defense.

>>12857186
Ain't that the maxim of the developed world?

Unless you like illegal immigration I guess.

>>12857170
>Everywhere they pass things like SJW appear
Except in Japan. The DPJ isn't exactly tumblr's public affairs arm and it's a classically liberal party. Don't insert your Western bogeymen into a context where they're not applicable.

>>12857186
>we love you so we want to breed you out of existance.

>>12857202
It's easy. Because they're not in power.

Give them 10 years of government and a new carbon copy of America is born. Which means no more eroge for you, nerd. Because those are instruments of torture of the patriarchy.

>>12857202
Aside from that pacifism claim they do sound cool in papers.

But how they do in the field?

>>12857202
>judging a political party based on bullshit they write on papers

No wonder America is failing so hard.

>>12857210
Americanized Japan would be good if they are based on Arizona instead of Jew York of California, but I doubt that will happen.

>>12857216
But anon, Ron Paul is going to bring us back to the gold standard!

Please stop bringing Murica into this.

Murica is fighting the leftist cancer too ya know?

>>12857210
That's a load of shit. Feminism/"social justice" as you conceive of it is a negligible force in Japanese politics. Also, it was in power most recently from 2009-2012 and your doomsday scenario didn't happen. Instead, it's the traditionalism fetishists in the LDP who are the ones trying to clamp down on eroge and the like since they got power back in 2012.

>>12857211
Recently they've had a hard time getting much of consequence done because of factional politics. However, they did manage to get some stuff done, like increased public funding for higher education and better health and safety regulations for workers.

>>12857216
They were in power extremely recently and we can see what they did with it, we don't need to take them at their word.

>>12857154
The DPJ is hardly evil. They got their asses kicked because the state apparatus they were trying to change was well-entrenched, their connections weren't great and a recession that really wasn't their fault blindsided them on the way in.

>>12857172
The policies of the DPJ do not renounce self-defense, half of Japan did not become completely retarded in 2009. It means non-aggression and the use of force only as a defensive last resort.

専守防衛 (defensive national policy) and 正当防衛 (legitimate self-defense) are both compatible with 平和主義 (doctrine of peace; pacifism) as generally understood by the Japanese so there's no need for the whole "if he's stomping your face in with a boot you can't fight back" argument.

>>12857209
Yeah, because /jp/ is just full of prolific breeders.

>>12857242
Yeah, but what about defensive military programs?

>>12857245
So DJP isn't evil but they are incompetent.

>>12857259
Yes, that's exactly what I said. Bravo.

>>12857245
>Yeah, because /jp/ is just full of prolific breeders.
Nice non-argument. I am not speaking solely of /jp/, but of any non-Japanese that comes to Japan. In my initial post I quoted many people that are pro opening the floodgates. What do you think will happen? what is occurring in Europe as we speak?

>>12857251
see >>12857245

>>12857266
I think Japan would rather go extinct than let what is happening to Western Europe happen there.

>>12857259
Just like Obama, right?

>>12857274
That's their stance on self-defense.

What about their military programs?

China is gearing up and sabre-rattling and planning/going to take over disputed islands, what they are planning to counter that?

>>12857280
Obama is a puppet, so yeah, he says what his party wants him to say, just look at the recent North Korean fiasco.

>>12857279
If they let what is happening in the west happen there, they will go extinct anyways. You wont win with mass immigration.

>>12857285
In fact, what is their stance on disputed islands, didn't see that on Wikipedia and I'm an EOP...

>>12857285
Jesus I wish someone would nuke those islands. Of all the fucking dumb things to fight over...

>>12857371
Anyone who nuke these islands would be fucking nuked back so I'd like to see people try.

>>12857371
>nerds don't know shit about military strategy, ballistics and nuke positioning

sasuga jaypee

>>12857385
To be fair, you can nuke these islands, just that it will be an act of provocation since they are so close to at least 3 countries.

>>12857394
You've got to be a fucking retard to nuke such vital strategic landscape.

Seriously anon, give up on politics and play more Touhou.

>>12857404
I'm saying it's possible, not that it's wise, anon.

Please don't bully....

>>12857385
I was caricaturing the fact that I wish those islands didn't exist. Of course it wouldn't do anything about the natural resources below.

Still looking at these fellows here I wish they rather get a life.

>>12857418
They are fighting for their goddamn territory, you go get a life, anon.

>>12857422
the battle for flag on rock will be immortalized in japanese history until end of days

>>12857431
Yeah, I remember a battle like that, it's called the Falklands War and it was pretty darn glorious and immortalized.

>>12857435
AFAIK that involved more than some guy putting a flag on the rock and calling it a day

also only british people care anyway

>>12857443
The end result of that conflict was exactly some dude putting a flag on the rock and that flag still flies high nowadays.

And I'm not british and I care.

>>12857449
that's like saying that WWII was fought so the soviets could plant a flag on the reichstag

germans put flags on it all the time and nobody cared

>And I'm not british and I care.
i think they have a pill for that these days

>>12857458
No, the raising of the flag symbols that the territory belongs to them.

That's a rather big message for such a simple act.

>>12857090
>electing a 2D president
>Implying american presidents aren't just media figureheads for the corporate lobby

>>12857467
Wore' ye quotin'

>>12857242
>Instead, it's the traditionalism fetishists in the LDP who are the ones trying to clamp down on eroge and the like since they got power back in 2012.
Not completely true; remember UNICEF campaigning fairly hard a few years back to ban loli/censor various types of porn because it was degrading towards women?

Both left and right are against eroge.

Left think it's degrading.
Right think it's shameful.

>people defending leftism
>people wanting to watch politically correct Gaki no Tsukai
>people wanting to play Kancolle without cloth damage and moe being replaced by strong wimmenz
>no more Rance
>no more Nasu

Fuck this thread to hell. If you love leftism so much just stay in America and keep this hellhole rotting with your shitty president. The western world has no salvation, at least spare Japan from this bullcrap.

>>12857550
>thinking "leftism" necessarily means SJWs
>thinking the Japanese left gives a shit about SJWs
Read the thread, you dipshit

>>12857550
>moe being replaced by strong wimmenz
That's not what moe means but I guess it doesn't really matter.

Anyway, the guys in this thread are advocating a centrist party, not the jap communist.

>>12857562
If you want to be clear, just say centrist, since the majority of DJP is conservative anyhow.

>>12857562
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-07/abe-wants-hate-speech-against-non-japanese-dealt-with-properly.html

SJW garbage, progressivism, infects every single aspect of a nation until it completely rots from the inside leaving a putrid husk behind.
Yes, ther IS a SJW movement in Japan.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-07/abe-wants-hate-speech-against-non-japanese-dealt-with-properly.html

>>12857562
America didn't gave a shit for SJW eight years ago either, neither did Europe. Things change due time.

Keep deluding yourself.

>>12857567
>centrist

Things like this does not exist anymore.

>>12857586
...Abe is from LDP, the current ruling right wingers tho.

>>12857586
Are you an idiot? Don't just google shit and post the first result without reading it.

>>12852955
>Nihon Kyosan To has been able to double their seats with tonnes of protest votes, but the LDP and their coalition of fascists and conservatives still control like 95% of the National Diet.
>Why are people still voting for these retards?

Old people have a tendency of voting conservatives. Guess what kind of people Japan have the most.

>>12857594
You say that as if it matters. Both the left and the right want mass immigration. The capitalist want cheap labor, and the leftists want a voter base to keep them in power. In the end it all falls on corporate interests over the interests of the people. Japan and the West are infected with this thought where every person is reduced to a unit of production. You are not allowed to criticize master's new plantation slaves, you will have to live with them, because this is no longer your country, it belongs to big buisness.

>>12857586
>On 24 February 2013, Zaitokukai organized an anti-Korean demonstration in a Korean neighborhood in Tsuruhashi district in Osaka City featuring a fourteen-year-old girl. Using a loudspeaker, the girl referred to the Korean residents as “piece of crap” and expressed her strong hatred towards them as well as her willingness to kill them all. Referring to the Nanking massacre, with the Japanese army killing an estimated 250,000 Chinese civilians in 1937, she said that her group would massacre the Koreans in the district if they did not leave Japan.

I-I'm not sure someone opposing this is a SJW.

>>12857588
>America didn't gave a shit for SJW eight years ago either, neither did Europe.
Yeah, everywhere is America and Europe.

>>12857624
Wow, lotsa guts for a 14yo girl.

>>12857621
>Both the left and the right want mass immigration.
What the fuck are you smoking? You do realize you're talking about the country with one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world?

>>12857621
If I have to choose, I have to go right though.

Left with their thought control is just too bad.

>>12857624
Question: Why dont Koreans go back to their own fucking country? Japan is for the Japanese, if they dont like it they can leave. You dont go into someone's house and expect them to treat you like they treat their own children and family.
Koreans, or any other ethnic group including my own, are not entitled to live in the land of the Japanese. They welcome us as guests and that is more than enough.

>>12857637
>You do realize you're talking about the country with one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world?
I was speaking of the western world in general, and what is soon to be Japan.
First they will ban hate speech, then they will start bringing in migrants.

>>12857650
That's some next level slippery slope fallacy. You say that as if Japan is politically and culturally equivalent to the West to the point where you can draw concrete one to one parallels.

As controversial as it sounds, unless the 14yo girl suddenly unsheathes her katana and go on a rampage, these speeches should be protected under freedom of expression.

>>12857641
Should have thought about that before you imported them as slave labor.

>>12857659
I was wondering about that, at which point it becomes a death threat? I mean might be pretty upset if people would flock on my yard and shout they want to kill me.

>>12857529
Some elements of the left believe its restriction infringes upon civil liberties. Some elements of the right believe enforcement of its illegal status would constitute an unacceptable expenditure of public funds.

Why do so may people conceive political parties as these simplistic, ideologically driven, homogenous entities that behave in any sort of consistent, monetarily unincentivized way?

>>12857659
Direct incitement to violence has been illegal even in the US for a long time. Same principle as shouting fire in a crowded theater: "freedom of speech" doesn't mean absolute freedom to say anything. In particular, slander/libel and directly inciting riots/violence are no good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

>>12857676
Okay that is not entirely correct, they weren't singling anyone out.

>>12857676
Yeah, it's very hard to distinguish, but unless they are armed, I shouldn't care really, still better arm yourself in case shit gets hot.

>>12857667
Its big companies doing it, against the will of the people.

>>12857676
Its not your yard, its the Japanese yard.

>>12857680
Sorry then, because the good elements aren't in power.

>>12857683
>If you Koreans don't fuck off, we'll kill you all
That's very obviously a threat against a specific group. If you walked into a school and said "If all you niggers don't get the fuck out, we'll kill you" you'd be justifiably arrested and prosecuted.

>>12857641
All asians are ugly, subhuman mongoloidic trash. You underestimate this culturally universal truth.

>>12857697
That is a problem though.

Unless the provoker is capable of actually doing these threats, they shouldn't be taken seriously.

>>12857697
Niggers were brought here against their will, and america is the homeland of the Natives. If a native said to get off his reservation or he'd kill you, he'd be justified.

>>12857706
I agree, but no matter how ugly they are, they deserve the right to group self-determination and the right to exist within their own country, and not be subject to the will of other groups within it.
I admire Japan, and I admire how shinto is practically an ethno-religion. I only wish Europeans had something like it.

>>12857715
Europeans had their own ethno-religions though, just not that practiced anymore, still their elements show up in different versions of Christianity.

>>12857692
I mean actual slave labor. As in, imported during the the time of Imperial Japan, as actual slaves.

>>12857708
The girl didn't say "I'll personally kill all the Koreans", she said "We [her group] will kill all the Koreans". Nevada-tan prospects aside, mob mentality is a very real thing. It's not difficult at all to get a mob on the warpath, there are countless examples of race riots being started by one firebrand all over the globe. It's like the school segregation analogy: if the speaker was a member of the local KKK chapter, it would be a very serious threat.

>>12857715
Don't nitpick the analogy, you get the point.

>>12857724
Then why didn't these koreans leave after WW2?

>>12857715
>they deserve the right to group self-determination and the right to exist within their own country
>their own country
Japan and the Japanese actually belong to America. They, as well as Korean, are only permitted to exist under the blessing of their western overlords. This "Japan is for the Japanese" slogan melts away in the presence of this world's true and eternally noble hegemon.

>>12857727
Dude, using your example, as much as the media wants to show how bad the KKK is, they haven't been active and armed for a long time.

Even if they show up and shout around, unless they are fucking armed, they ain't going to do shit but shout around.

>>12857749
I'm fine with America as long as NATO still protect "blue" interests in the Pacific and keep the Red out.

>>12857751
I should have specified the period more clearly. The Supreme Court case I posted about this stuff was from the Civil Rights era when lynchings and the like were relatively commonplace. Feel free to come up with an example that fits the present times, like Northern Ireland or some such shit.

Because Japan is a one-party state masquerading as a democracy.

The Western world is following exactly the same Keynesian monetary policy that Japan is, Japan is merely further along. Abe was directly advised by Paul Krugman a couple of weeks ago.

It's not like this thread belongs on this fucking board though.

>>12857732
Why didn't all the black people go back to Africa after they were freed?

>SJWs
>Degeneracy
>Privilege
>etc.
I-Is this political chuunibyou?!

>>12857778
Because Africa is an ocean away, whereas you could just hop from Korea to Japan.

>>12857762
There's no recent example that fits (someone says a "hate speech" then their group go on a rampage) because the most dangerous riots that happen in America did not depend on any specific organization, just poor, urban people finding any excuse to loot.

>>12857778
>>12857784
True, they are right next to each other.

And Japan is UNDER occupation to boot, why didn't they go back to their homeland? I suppose some did, but why not all?

>>12857784
Also because they had been living in America for years, were raised speaking English, didn't speak their native languages, had no connections to their roots and wouldn't go back even if they could.

What a lovely thread. Starts with Japanese economical troubles, ends in blaming Koreans. Very educational, in a way. Just like when the questions of organized crime or prostitution slavery are raised - Japanese never do it, it's all the Koreans.

Maybe Japs don't really exist, and they're all just Koreans in disguise?

>>12857788
>that happen in America
There's your problem. The whole world isn't the US.

>>12857799
Coreans and corean-supporter please

The only corean thing I like is their military.

>>12857800
Well, there are various fascists vs anti-fa confrontations in Europe, and the riots/uprising in Ukraine.

>>12857799
Because it's reasonable to expect a bunch of NEETs and social rejects to conduct an informed discussion on monetary policy.

>>12857799
Genetically, they essentially are.

Abe tanked the yen down to levels where Japanese manufacturers can compete on the global scale. The yen being weak is good for Japan and it's also good for us foreigners since Japanese goods are now cheap and accessible again.

I just bought a new Subaru that was 100% built in Japan. Thank you Abe for making my Subaru more affordable.

>>12857799
Koreans have their own first world country that rivals japan. There is no reason for them to reside in Japan permanently.

>>12857810
Any studies supporting this?

>>12857816
Which is nullified by the fact that imports are now bloody expensive.

>>12857819
Maybe the Japanese should have thought about that before they brought them over in chains.

>>12857809
Economics is fucking quantum mechanics anyway, don't pretend you understand it.

japan needs to pay apolo-juice, nida!!!!

>>12857827
So basically, koreans develop stockholm syndrome and decide to stay with their slave masters?

>>12857821
No. They are as different as Slavs and Western euros, although there are points that overlap.

It may look silly to you, but there is a similar problem with too many Poles in England, that is overlooked because there is a more pressing issue of too many non Europeans in England.

>>12857828
>Economics is fucking quantum mechanics anyway, don't pretend you understand it.
It doesn't take much to understand the basics of monetary/fiscal policy and the implications thereof.

>>12857833
Yes, slavs, french look different than anglos, I can't dispute this.

>>12857833
*Image is just paternal Y-dna distribution.
This isnt including the maternal aspect.

>>12857821
They're both spawned from the same sub-group of apes thousands of years ago and have developed under very similar environmental conditions for millennia. There is a resounding correlation between genetic similarly and population proximity.

>>12857833
Maybe there wouldn't be so many poles in Britain if native British were willing to work for once.

>>12857850
Of course, but they ain't the same.

>>12857857
Yeah, native brits don't like cleaning toilet, m8

>>12857857
They are willing to. The cost of hiring a plumber should have gone up naturally, instead of being artificially lowered by desperate Poles.
I have nothing against poles, but they have their own country and we are doing nothing but robbing it of its more industrious peoples.

>>12857826
They should import only the essentials and produce more commonly used goods locally. That is what propelled Japan into economic prosperity in the late Showa era.

This is the punishment the Brits must pay for their late intervention in WW2.

NOW THE POLES GOTTA CLEAN BRIT TOILETS!

>>12857170
Don't you dare speak like your country is the same as mine, just because communists hijacked Liberalism in your country of extremes doesn't mean it did in mine.

>>12857862
They "ain't the same" in just about the exact manner any two humans are chemically differentiable.

>>12857885
They don't look da same.

I'd get a german shepherd but not a chihuahua.

>>12857836
That may be true, you get the basics, but to be able to see the big picture.

Completely unrelated to the topic, I really liked this (yes it's a stupid comic, I'm too lazy to actually read stuff)
http://economixcomix.com/home/tpp/

>>12857833
I'd love to see the genetic distributions of two members of an identical group.

>>12857884
I'm curious which country is your.

Unless it's America, Czech, Finland or Switzerland (countries that lack gun control in SOME areas) then your country is already hijacked by commies.

>>12857833

>Muh Haplogroups!

Fuck off Jew.

Europeans are practically identical, the most abnormal are actually Finns due to their small East Asian admixture.

Japanese, Koreans and Chinese ethnicities are very closely related too.

>>12857909
They are europeans sure but french, italian and slavs do not look like anglos...

>>12857893
Then you'd be forced to concede that the arbitrary category of "Japanese" doesn't exist because no two members are genetically or physically identical. Your simplistic mental divisions are more a function of you being a stupid fucking ape than the quantum reality of the situation.

>>12857925
They ain't physically identical sure, but a german shepherd looks closer to its own breed than a chihauhau.

And we're all apes, bro, just different apes.

>>12857925
There are overlapping points, and the primary Ydna and Mtdna marker is not the whole of it. Consider each circle in that chart as an average Japanese male. Yes they all have the same NorthEast Oriental data, but the Japanese also have something that makes them unique.

>>12857868
Someone's gotta do it.

>>12857870
If businesses are able to lower costs by importing labour, they should be able to do so.

>>12857873
What propelled Japan into economic prosperity in the late Showa was a rash of speculation that caused two decades of stagnation.

>>>>12857624
"Unique" is chemically arbitrary, but I suppose it does have a nice air of significance to it.

Please see >>12857898 . Every modern "race" will be extinguished within a couple thousand years due to the inherent entropy of the whole fucking process. Barring the systematic intervention of sophisticated reproductive technologies, the "Japanese" will just be another transient ape derivative lost to randomness. Doubtful you'll even approach that level of technology with this >>12857949 kind of sectarian idiocy as wide spread as it appears to be.

>>12858005
Nah, you just gotta know who're your fucking.