/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Is Snatcher a VN? I'm playing that.

Any suggestions on what to listen to when the shitty vn loop music gets annoying? I usually shut it off after an hour or two and just play random progressive house mash-ups that don't have lyrics. Anyone have any other ideas? Nothing with lyrics please.

>>12836787
Why would you play something with that art?

>>12836815
It's Doukyuusei 2 you goddamn savage. Begone from these sacred grounds.

Going for the vintage, eh OP? Good man.

>>12836793
Kind of, it was called an adventure game back then, IIRC. And a pretty good one at that.

>>12836787
hey, I know that game, it almost made Elf go bankrupt, fuck that game.

>>12836898
Except that's wrong, nerd.
下級生 isn't the same thing as 同級生.

>>12836885
Don't they still use the ADV moniker under the long-ass genres they "define" as a description of games?

>>12836906
That's 下級生2, dork. Not 下級生.

>>12836912
They still do, pretty sure I spot an ADV in modern games here and there.

Yukinojo or Masaru?

>>12836913
Well of course it was.
I didn't want him to get the wrong idea.

>>12836931
Don't forget to also go for the tsundere bacouple ending.

Never played any of the Dokyuusei or Kakyuusei games.
Which ones would you recommend?

>>12837064
All of them. No, seriously.

Doukyuusei 1 ties a bit with Doukyuusei 2 in a couple of things. Kakyuusei has some very small cameos from previous ELF games. Kakyuusei 2 is actually quite enjoyable if you pretend that Nanase is the main heroine.

Perhaps the only problem you will have is that you make a comparison between Shiori Fujisaki (Tokimeki Memorial) and MIzuho Yuuki (Kakyuusei 1), but do not let that stop you.

>>12836923
Picked my interest, but I haven't got to reading them. Masaru appears to be more interesting.

>>12837080
But perhaps I should elaborate.

The Doukyuusei series are called Nanpa in China for a good reason. The MCs of those games can and may try to woo as many girls as possible in a small frame of time, ranging from 1 to 2 weeks. The difference between them is that in Doukyuusei 2 going after one girl will affect the ending or route for other girls later on (you can end up knocking up one girl).

The Kakyuusei series are longer games, spanning the length of a year, where the MC can try to chase one girl. Giggolo play is possible, but the other girls will find out.

>>12837064
All 4 of them are pretty great to be honest.
Even Kakyuusei 2 with it's issue, which can be avoided by ignoring Tamaki, really.
One heroine from Doukyuusei returns in Doukyuusei 2, and being the oldest of the four its art probably has the most rough edges to it.
Doukyuusei takes place mostly over summer break and Doukyuusei 2 over winter break.
Both Kakyuuseis take place more or less over the course of a year and generally take a good bit longer than either Doukyuusei to finish a playthrough.

>>12837099
On that note I can't help but urge anyone playing them for the first time not to use a guide.
It sort of cheapens to experience I feel, as you have much more agency and ability to explore the game. Sure, you might get a bad end or not even the girl you wanted, but it's not like that stopped our predecessors. They kept going and kept trying until they got the good end they desired.

>>12837127
They may need some help with contacting Sakurako in Doukyuusei 2 at first though. If you are gonna play that game, remember to look for the window.

And don't forget, your little sister is important.

Is this a whole lot of fandisc bait or what?
Regardless I'm hype.

>>12837186
I don't know why but I hate this art style so much.

>>12837186
It is Minatosoft, after all. What were you expecting?

>>12837186
It's most likely going to get as many fan discs as it can based off popularity, Majikoi A series is almost finished after all

>>12837080
>>12837099
That Doukyuusei art on vndb.
I guess I'll try out Kakyuusei first.
Thanks.

>>12837285
Please don't bully Misa.
It's not her fault she's in one of the worst looking CGs in the game.

>>12837344
I wish I could defend the CG, but I can't.

And speaking about the CG, I hope you aren't going in expecting hardcore smut. ELF prefered to flat out remove the vaginas and dicks than use pixels back then.

With all this Kakyuusei talk, I am obligated to post this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1bSviX4MeQ

http://www.getchu.com/granking/201410.html
How come nobody here posted about 恋春アドレセンス yet it managed to get the 2nd place?

>>12837513
Moege with bloody panty shots.

>>12837518
And from looking at the rest of the nominees, Overflow got a spot too. I feel that I should not take these "rankings" very seriously.

>>12837530
Yeah, the only rankings on Getchu I'd really take into consideration is the sales ranking, and that's more because we have no other really concrete sales information source anymore.

>>12836787
Translation of this game when ?

>>12837556
The translator said he will do it as soon as she is done with her nap.

http://forums.novelnews.net/showthread.php?t=35386

The last time someone tried to translate it was back in 2008.

>>12837513
>>12837518
I thought it was pretty funny but nothing exceptional. I played it for the seiyuu, stayed for Kyuu-chan.

>>12837548
http://www.getchu.com/pc/salesranking201410.html
http://www.getchu.com/pc/salesranking201411.html
If you look here you would understand the reason.

>>12837186
I'd place a safe bet on at least two fandiscs. For a mid cost game, they're certainly throwing a lot of money at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=863GVZbzAlU

>>12837753
Can't wait for the trial, reading Owalive made me remember why I love Jackson so much

>>12836865
>>12836865
I still can't see the point playing something with that horrible art except the writing is really a masterpiece.

>>12837931
I haven't played it, but it doesn't even look that bad to me. A lot of newer eroge has terrible art but nobody complains because it has a layer of shiny coloring to hide all the flaws and trick retards into thinking it's good.

>>12837938
> A lot of newer eroge has terrible art but nobody complains because it has a layer of shiny coloring to hide all the flaws and trick retards into thinking it's good.

For example? I don't think any newer eroge has art worse than >>12836873 or >>12836787

>>12837938
>A lot of newer eroge has terrible art but nobody complains because it has a layer of shiny coloring
That's funny considering that old eroge art like the one posted here shades everything like it was either a piece of metal or plastic, to cover hideous anatomy and blob-like forms.

>>12837945
Can't think of anything specific at the moment except Koiharu Adolescence and Himawari, both had terrible art. Off-model CGs and sprites everywhere.

>>12837960
That's them dealing with the hardware limitations. PC98 was limited to to a small range of colors. I admit they could've handled it better like with YU-NO for example, but it's hardly the worst art that would put me off playing a game indefinitely.

Is 紙上 devoid of sound effects? People fall/hit things, cars are said to be passing etc. but I hear nothing. In fact I don't remember a single sound effect being played since I started playing. Is this a bug or a feature?

>>12837967
Let's be real here, the art of those game might be not the best thing ever but it's definitely better looking than shitty 1990s art.

>>12837344
I'm sorry. I can play Higurashi no problem, but this.. this is too much. The OP's one is not that bad, but this pic is raping my eye. Too bad because they're seems pretty cool game.

>>12838315
That's because they're from two different games and that one is one of if not the worst CG in the game.

>>12838315
Kana Imouto had worse CG, and yet it remains one of the most loved games.

A pity that D.O. hasn't made anything of remarkable since then.

Is there any kind of online ressource that storages interviews and the like with eroge developers, both old and new?

I've been reading something like this with STG devs and this is pretty damn interesting.

Should I buy eden with Plus Mosaic?
>paying for porn

>>12838426
Only http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/.. Most of them are somewhat short, but you can find reviews for almost any game that came out in the last 30 years.

>>12837945
You think those are bad art? What the hell?

>>12838437
He is simply unaware of what passed for art and the limitations of those times.

ELF's CG work and coloring was top notch amongst eroge makers.

>>12838446
Bloody serious though, there was very little in the way of tools for artists, and those that were were quite expensive. So everything was mouse drawn.

This is an example from the then very popular Can Can Bunny series.

>>12837186
Is the game targeted at AGK fans or what?

Speaking of older elf games does anyone here have the DMM version of 同級生?

>>12838471
>同級生
If that girlcelly dude doesn't have it already available on Nyaa then you won't find it anywhere besides PD or Share.

>>12838469
Well, MC looks like Tatsumi and the silver god of death is Esdeath, so, yeah.
Still no not-Mine, so that's disappointing.

>>12838475
I've been looking for it on share for awhile but I really haven't found anything and if I do find something it never finishes because that's the nature of share.

I'm just asking if anyone here has a cracked version and if they can share it if possible.

>>12838464
Scanners existed since the mid eighteen hundreds you know, well almost.
The reason why abort like >>12838446 were common was because the industry wasn't big enough to attract any good artist. I mean, that 天使たちの午後 ～転校生～ is from 1995. 1995. That's when Eva came out. It's not like people had yet to discover how to draw anime or something.
There is pretty much no excuse for how bad the art was back then.

>>12838482
How much did a scanner cost at the time? Back when I was a kid, an uncle of mine made a few scan pictures of him and his family, and they were rather rough black and white pictures, and he was "borrowing" the scanner of a large bank to do it.

I do not think those were cheap.

>>12838426
This had some interesting stuff.
http://amatsukami.jp/eroge/

>>12838471
>>12838478
This one?
http://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/pcgame/-/detail/=/cid=elf_0010/

Because I might be buying it later this week if DMM will accept my filthy gaijin money.

>>12838645
I tried with 3 different credit cards and I was denied. This was 3 years ago. Things may have improved, but I doubt it.

>>12838669
They do have an English site now albeit fed through Google Translate, so I can't imagine they'd do that and still limit purchasing options too severely.

What are some good PC-98 VN OST Tracks?
I like this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDAE61E0hJ8

>>12838681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xZcDzT92s

Kizuato, definitely. MIDI or actual piano, Tameiki is good regardless.

The ending songs for it were awesome too.

>>12838645
Yep pretty sure that's the one, I have the original version but it runs way way to fast on my machine its pretty unplayable when I press to go up once quickly and he jets to the top of the screen.

>>12838476
You didn't even mention !Aniki

>>12837753
The OP really seems to favor the older sister over the Esdeath clone.

>>12836801
Please respond.

>>12838722
Don't you have personal preferences? Just open youtube and open whatever you want.

>>12838718
Well, it's a nee-san game, so blood related rules.

>>12838774
True but she had less appearances than some of the "non-heroines", seems kind of odd considering Esdeath's popularity.

>>12838722
I like solo piano stuff or jazz depending on the scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1jIPh0AfUA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV92jrqCOLY

>>12836801
>>12838722
Learn to speedread moonrunes.

Anyone know where can I find アトラク=ナクア soundtrack? Some anon pointed out this game in the previous thread and after playing it I'm charmed.

>>12838718
>Esdeath clone

How had I not noticed this yet? She really is the same.

>>12838840
How did you not notice it instantly? The only excuse is that you haven't seen AgK before

>>12838852
I saw it every week, but I hadn't paid much attention to the character designs for Anekouji yet. All I knew was that there's a white-haired heroine.

She looks so cute~

>>12838852
Unlike Esdeath, I don't want her to die a painful death, it's an improvement.

>>12838852
She looks like the prototypical 2d Nazi girl, AgK didn't invent that.

>>12838871
There really isn't anything "wrong" with her considering the setting of Agk and her upbringing. I don't see why you want to see her die painfully unless she killed a character you liked

>>12838873
>She looks like the prototypical 2d Nazi girl, AgK didn't invent that.

Nobody is saying Agk invented that anon. Both of the characters have pretty much the exact same design outside some colours and hair length on top of being written by the same person, so drawing parallels between them is natural

>>12838883
>I don't see why you want to see her die painfully
She's a cunt, who leads an army of psychos who kill innocent people for the heck of it, but it's ok 'because it's part of the setting' and she doesn't give a shit, not to mention her sadistic torturing tendencies. Also has some of the shallowest and most obsessive love feelings ever, I've seen yanderes who had better reasons to want to fuck the MC with five minutes of interaction.
In general, she's just a terrible character overall but at least she's getting killed soon.

>>12838892
I refer you to these two posts
https://archive.moe/a/thread/118467451/#118476464
https://archive.moe/a/thread/118467451/#q118476503

Regardless this discussion belongs on /a/, not on /jp/

ぼくの一人戦争
あかべぇそふとつぅ

鯨神のティアスティラ
Whirlpool

真・恋姫†英雄譚
BaseSon

>>12839248

戦国†恋姫X ～乙女絢爛☆戦国絵巻～
BaseSon

>>12839248
>>12839255
That BaseSon guy must be creaming himself by now.

真・恋姫†夢想-革命-　【蜀伝】
真・恋姫†夢想-革命-　【魏伝】
真・恋姫†夢想-革命-　【呉伝】
BaseSon

>Detected possible malicious code in image file.
What the fuck?
http://i.imgur.com/th448ke.jpg

シルヴァリオ ヴェンデッタ
light

相州戦神館學園 万仙陣
light

恋想リレーション
Lump of Sugar

>>12839271

トラベリングスターズ -Traveling Stars-
HOOKSOFT

夢と色でできている
feng

>>12839271
no Korie Riko :(

>>12839281

>>12839284

クロノクロック
Purple software

花の野に咲くうたかたの
あっぷりけ

>>12839277
>Hooksoft + pointy ears

Does anyone else shove pocky up their ass while playing VNs?

Everything tastes the same.

>>12839392
Go to see a doctor.

>>12839239
so much hype for this, that bathroom scene in the scan was the turning point and just purely mind blowing. Looseboy is finally back.

>>12839251
They are all going to be captureable, right?

>>12839248>>12839251
Really glad they are going back to 18+. Would be horrible if their all-ages plan worked.

>>12839404
Can you spoil me? I try not to get my hopes up.

>>12839277
What's wrong with their faces?

>>12839449
This brown-haired in particular...

>>12838706
just set the speed to normal

>>12839468
Even then it still runs too fast for my computer and it runs forced fullscreen, which I hate.

whats the difference between the original and windows versions of doukyusei anyway?

>>12839418
The MC is not really a good guy. while pretending he is at the start of the game when in fact he is a true fucked up asshole who enjoyed watching his old girlfriend being violated by other guys and he joined them too, his old brother renji seems to be the true mc. The narration is third person but turned into renji point of view while trying to save the main heroine from his brother and he referred to himself as ぼくand you know, the title is ぼくの一人戦争.

>>12839483
For the DMM versions of them, Voices and maybe some script changes.

>>12839506
Shit, thanks. I guess I'll download the trial.

>>12839506
I forgot to spoiler sorry, The post is SPOILER for ぼくの一人戦争 trail.

>>12839506
So heroine had sex with bunch of dudes before protag? What a slut, dropped.

>>12839523
More like she was a victim of abusive relationship.

Just imagine the bad ends in ぼくの一人戦争.

>>12839523
>>12839533
+ it was his OLD girlfriend, so not this heroine.

Tokyo NECRO first teaser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiwt5nRweEI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
ITS HAPPENING

>>12839536
So that old girlfriend isn't black haired main heroine?

>>12839538
>ITS HAPPENING
We totally needed another shimokura game, right.

>>12839545
Yes, she is his previous one before moving from Tokyo.

>>12839506
Now I'm interested, thanks.

>>12839549
Don't worry, I'm sure Haganeya Jin will finally finish writing Dogura Q and the proper Demonbane 2 he's always wanted to make after this is released.

>>12839568
Please at this point I'd take anyone besides Shimokura. He's running Nitroplus into the ground.

>>12839582
So would I but it's been 4 or 5 years since they've said anything at all about Dogura Q so it's likely long since dead.

>>12839251
Wow like that sui couple image(kazuto has a face). hopefully they treat kazuto better and give him a sprite/ different cloth in different route during the new game.

Any not terrible moege december?

>>12839612
Yeah since this is 15th anniversary project (by Shmokura again lol) it looks like Dogura Q or Demonbane 2 will be out for their 20th anniversary at best.

http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/game/tokyonecro/
What's up with these signboards?
One is promoting lesbians and gays and another one is promoting their new mascot Super Pussico?

>>12840599
Also if this is their attempt at writing in Russian language then they've failed hard here.

>>12839517
You can delete and repost you know. It doesn't help to point out it's a spoiler after you've spoiled it for people. Thanks.

>>12840637
I don't think content of trial is something that should be considered as "spoiler"

>>12840617
Was first one supposed to be "пуховики"? Cannot figure how its related to optics and cams.

>>12840647
Yeah, I've checked that again and if you change N for П it actually works somewhat:
ПУХОВИКИ
ОПТИКА
ФОТОАППАРАТА?

Excuse me /jp/, I'm still new in terms of reading untranslated porn games so forgive my ignorance. Just wanted to ask where do you guys download old eroge which doesn't have working torrent on Nyaa? I'm trying to find working link for かみぱに！but i still can't find it. Thanks in advance.

>>12840599
Fukami isn't even actually writing it.
So now it's really just Shimokura and Oosaki, same as Gekkou no Carnevale.

>>12840748
http://www.anime-sharing.com/forum/hentai-games-38/japanese-%5B080328%5D%5Bclochette%5Dkamipani-|%E3%81%8B%E3%81%BF%E3%81%B1%E3%81%AB%EF%BC%81-239494/

bitshare and uploadable links still work. I just searched [080328] かみぱに！rar in google and found it.

Are you guys ready for a Yu-No remake on Xbox One?

>>12839256
I already did it.

>>12841062
I'll wait for the inevitable pc port. Honestly all I ask from the remake is a more expanded last chapter.

>>12841085
But elf is dead, who will port it back?

>>12841062
I don't like the art at all.

>>12839612
Dogura Q might be dead.
But in 2015 Narahara will break out of prison and bestow upon us a new masterpiece.

>>12841062
Not really, I'm that one guy who didn't like it.

>>12841161
5pb, like they've been doing with every remake.

>>12840970
Gekkou was supervised by Haganeya and directed by Namaniku though.
I hope this one won't turn out a PP2 disaster where Urobuchi was also credited just as 原案 while it was written by a different writer.

>>12841062
Isn't that the Ar tonelico illustrator? It all comes full circle.

Is ユニオリズム・カルテット on Share fake? Seems like I'm downloading some AV with the provided hash.

Is there any company that you went ahead and read all of their titles? If yes, what did you think of the experience.

>>12839476
There are two versions of Doukyuusei1 I've found: one the works too fast and one without voices. You can still play fast version, just using right mouse button on the map (but you have to visit each place at least once). Also you can use D3D Windower to run it in window mode.

Finished 蒼の彼方のフォーリズム.
I urge everyone who convinced themselves not to play it to reconsider. It's one of this years highlights.

How do you think the anime will be adapted?
Misaki root would make the most sense but there's not a lot of character interation in that route.
I bet it's going to be a modified Asuka root.

>>12841770
I don't even want to think about it; anime adaptations of eroge always end up sucking balls for some reason.

>>12841803
Yeah, but they did announce the anime before this time.
Maybe it wont be just an advertisement for the VN.

>>12841803
I think the issue is that people expect them to be just as good as the VN. I don't think I was reaally disappointed with most VN adaptations because I just watched to see some good scenes from the VN animated.

>>12841770
Yosuga no sora was all right.

What's the chance for Tsuyokiss Next getting a fandisk? I'm around 10 hours into it and loved everything so far except Neko. I hope I'm not the only faggot here who loved fandisc for my favorite moege, I need more Cherry.

>>12842041
its not impossible since game has a normal ending where mc doesn't end with anyone, but to be honest I dont think there'll be one. The side characters are not good enough to be heroines, and I doubt they'll make a game just for after stories. But its candysoft so everything is possible, I cant really understand them at all.

I read new division today, Mitori's route was absolutely lovely, really liked how the romance was handled. Hishia's was pretty great too.

>>12841326
Yeah, it seems. Maybe to make the chinese to upload their copy.

I hope somebody upload it before the 31, I don't want to wait 3 weeks to 2dj.

We should drive people with their edgy shit away just like we do with EOPs. This thread should be moege only.

>>12842675
2dj always release when someone else puts up their own copy. Here's an idea how to troll them into releasing early. Go to https://search.2djgame.net:83/index.html and find the file you want, make a similar-sized fake archive, post it on Freenet's jp.eroge board and hope they won't bother downloading it to check if it's legit.

I need someone to explain Umineko to me.

>>12842733
You read it for reasons you weren't supposed to and the author spent 4 games explaining you why and blatantly insulting you.

>>12842738
So did the witches really exist or not?

What do you guys think of Shimokura? I've been planning on reading some nitro+ games and judging by EGS and 2ch people seem to like him, but I've seen some westerners shit talk him a lot.

>>12842819
See? You missed the point of the story, it doesn't matter at all whether they existed or not and everything could have been magic.

>>12842830
he writes like a 12 year old instead of some pulp writer

I should have been enjoying my holiday with reading Chaos;Child right now, but no. 5pb decided to release it on the most dead console in Japan. Didn't they learn anything from steins;gate and chaos;head?

>>12840640
>I don't think content of trial is something that should be considered as "spoiler"
It's called a "twist" because it's presented in a way that's enjoyable because it's a surprise. Some of us prefer not to have a multi-month gap partway into a game, we play the trial just before it comes out.

Finally getting around to reading Clover Day's after getting through quite a bit of my backlog the past week or so.
It's not as outrageous as other Alcot titles, but I can't help but audibly laugh whenever Anri makes this face, I kind of regret not reading this sooner.

I finally got over the boredom the Yumiko route was inspiring me and just finished the whole thing. Small sum-up or my reactions for each ending, routes played in following order:

Amane:
Good End: "*sob* tear-jerkingly cliché but still beautiful and... painful at the same time *sob*"
Bad End: "Noooooo..."

Makina:
Good: "Yeeeeeeeee... er- wait a sec... What?! I don't mind the cliché "and they lived happily everafter" but the little extra at the end was uncalled for. So much for making Makina have the 2 jobs she wanted + having a seriously untrained frail teenager on such a serious job sounds like a terrible lack of sense coming from a serious organization."
Bad: "WHAT. THE. ACTUAL. FUCK?! They truly went heavy-handed on the shock aspect and that pretty much backfired, it seems."

Michiru:
Good: "Not bad but I really could have done without the ridiculous comedy at the end. Heck, shit should have stopped after [/spoiler]Michiru went back to her old self and had smothered the other girl.[/spoiler]"
Bad: "... Heck... I truly feel bad now... It is a good bad end, I gotta admit."

Sachi:
Good: "Heck! Now THAT's what I call a Good End! Totally love Sachi's smile and playful demeanor on the last panel!"
Bad: "... The shock aspect is here and my mind cannot fully register it... Looks like they did some good job here too... Poor Sachi ;_; Poor Yuuji too..."

Yumiko:
Good: "Meh... A little too conventional for my taste. At least, Amane's GE had some prolonged impact by making you follow the whole lives of the pair but here, it is the usual family thingy. I don't quite buy the father redemption aspect too"
Bad end: "... Wait... Is that supposed to be a BE..? I truly thought it was the GE when I saw it. And it's actually more convincing that the real good end."

>>12839239
Can someone re upload the trial for this? Official site seems to be down.

>>12843530
AkabeeSoft and all of its subsidiary brands block foreign access, so that might be why.

>>12843530
It"s not down though, these are the mirrors on the site:
http://dl.redistribution.cc:8008/contents/2014/12/akabeesoft2/bokusen_trial_v1_00.zip
http://holyseal.homeip.net:8000/mirror4/akabeesoft2/bokusen/20141211akb/bokusen_trial_v1_00.zip
http://suezou.dyndns.org/dl2014/akabeesoft/bokusen/bokusen_trial_v1_00.zip
http://office-mk.ddo.jp/mirror2/bokusen_trial_v1_00.zip

>>12843530
>>12843539
That's why it's best to always download trials from getchu.

>>12843539
>>12843548
>>12843549
Thanks anons for the speedy replies, I'll keep that in mind for next time. Excited to read this since I haven't picked up a Akabeisoft title since Gsenjou.

>>12838471
> DMM version of 同級生
That's the best version.
The original Windows port is garbage--they re-wrote so many scenes and really fucked up the characters. I don't know what they were thinking with that. The censored console ports are better than that. Or the original DOS version.

But the newer DMM "original text version" is fine. No voice, but trust me it's not worth playing the first Windows port just for the voices.

>>12838645
>>12838680
>>12838669
Yeah they stopped blocking foreign cards once they added the English pages.

>>12843575
This is the "original text" version:
http://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/pcgame/-/detail/=/cid=elf_0010/

This is the re-written version, the older Windows port:
http://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/pcgame/-/detail/=/cid=elf_0010/

>>12843600
>same URL twice
Original text version:
http://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/pcgame/-/detail/=/cid=elf_0001/

>>12841062
What's up with 5pb? Are they trying to make me buy Xbox or what? Well anyway C;C and Yu-No aren't enough yet.

Does Cartagra get less mediocre after the trial?

Just finished ChuSinGura 46+1 Bushi no Kodou.

I liked it, especially how they wrapped everything up nicely at the end...though there's still a shit ton of plotholes throughout the series.

Hopefully Inre can move on to a brand new franchise next year though.

http://yu-no.jp

>>12844532
>http://yu-no.jp
MAGES? Did ELF sell the rights for it to these people? They must really be hurting if they are now selling franchises.

Well, people did boycott them for some time.

>>12844271
Someone upload the HCG on sadpanda please.
I don't want to download a 9gb game.

>>12844611
Just leave it downloading while you sleep silly.

>>12844580
To be fair it was essentially a dead IP, especially with Kanno dead.
And coupled with their most recent bout of hemorrhaging staff I can't exactly blame them.

>>12844580
Elf would fill YUNO with NTR if they were to remake it nowadays

>>12844911
YU-NO already kinda does have NTR in it.

>>12842830
I think he has some really interesting ideas, but lacks the means to execute them in a meaningful way. He's an ideas man, not a writer.

>>12842830
Axanael was cool, he needs to write a light comedies, not edgy shit.

hehe

>>12845123

what game is that?

>>12844611
Just buy it.

>>12845234
lmao

http://www.astronauts.co.jp/sirius/verethragna/index.html

Card games, serious business.

>>12844659
umemoto is also dead. I wonder if anyone at all of the original staff will have any input whatsoever.

>>12844911
kill yourself already, moebuta

Started 機械仕掛けのイヴ today.

Can someone clear up how the route system works?

I'm currently building up the company and at certain points select choices that give + points to a certain character. Do I enter roots based on that?
Will I have to restart the game from the beginning after I finish one route?

And yes, I've seen and am using the guide from the official site.

>>12846248
Use this: http://homepage3.nifty.com/nontaku_2/gamemuseum/machina/machina.htm and you can do all routes in one playthrough.

>>12846396
perfect, thanks.

>>12844580
I think we already knew they were hurting when all but 3 of their staff left.

Hopefully the Yu-no bux will help them finally finish the Maro serious. Been waiting forever for the last 2 games.

>>12846510
*Maro series

>>12846510
Wait, just who of the original staff is left?

>>12841179
5pb or nitro+?

>>12846537
I don't know what >>12841179 is thinking, but 5pb games are rarely ported to the PC. You can maybe hope Elf secretly arranged to port it to PC years from now, but with Elf's name nowhere to be seen it's practically a snowball's chance in hell. They're already beginning the cycle of not mentioning the fact it's console exclusive for as long as possible, eventually they'll be praising how essential the XBONE or whatever's tech is for this game.

Playing otome riron.

Magokoro wo komete ou-QUAQUAQUAQUAQUAQUAQUAQUAQUAQUA

Finished 媚肉の香り ～ネトリネトラレヤリヤラレ～. I thought it would be filled with shittons of NTR but instead got actual drama. Great characters that do change but I must say I didn't really like most of them.
Best use of ero I've ever seen on something that's not an all-out nukige, with really detailed animations. I also see why anon said this was his favorite eroge, map movement and all these flags make it feel so real.

Just wanted to ask why is this Sayori guy(?) who draws Nekopara is so popular? I don't really pay that much attention to artist but i still can't how Nekopara art is spectacular

>>12846966
The art is subpar. Everyone hypes it up because the artist is female.

>>12847012
>Everyone hypes it up because the artist is female.

That's the most autistic thing I heard in a while. Is that the only reason? Goddamn.

>>12847034
People liked the nekopara doujins.

>>12846966
sayori's coloring is nice, and is essentially the only reason age's games that had Miyata Sou as a main artist had even passable art.

>>12847012
Uh, probably the majority of eroge artists are female.

>>12847076
Uhhhhh, no.

>>12846966
Personally I just love her artstyle.
Also, she's a bro. She learned Japanese via eroge and her favorite character is Rance.

>>12847091
A lot of them are. You're just not aware.

>>12847012
>>12847034
The artist herself drew herself (2D Version of herself) in questionable positions and situations on pixiv at some point in the past, so the artist herself is popular. The artwork itself isn't anything remarkable but it's not offensive to the eyes and generally doesn't have many flaws.

She can draw some rather nice looking pictures when she wants to, "fappablility" of said pictures is questionable

>>12846966
Her eromanga is pretty good so I imagine the ero scenes in that game will be as well, however the sprites really emphasize the sameface factor.

Dengeki online has an interview with the YU-NO remake producer 浅田誠.
http://dengekionline.com/elem/000/000/984/984492/

>我々のスタンスとしては、シナリオに関しては9割5分触らないという感じです。ただ、表現や言い回しが古かったり、倫理的に問題があるような部分は修正させてもらっています。この倫理表現については本当に申し訳ないのですが、変えないと発売できないという部分でもありますので……。ただ、シナリオに何かを追加するようなことはなく、『YU-NO』を現代に蘇らせるというプロジェクトです。

Get ready for disappointment.

>>12847101
Several are, but they're hardly the majority.

>>12846534
Who knows. I guess whichever ones don't work for Silky'sPlus now and aren't freelance like the Maro artist. I hope at least the writer stayed.

>>12847098
Wait, she is a gaijin?

>>12847091
Uhhhhh, yes.

>>12847113
Yes, she came from mainland China and married some nihonjin to get citizenship.

>>12847108
They'll probably have to touch some of the incest a bit and Yu-no has stuff which needs to be fixed in general.
And since they have to get rid of sex from the beginning, some changes are obviously necessary.

>>12847109
Most of the famous ones are.

The wait for 帝都飛天大作戦 shall be eternal

>>12847108
>シナリオに何かを追加するようなことはなく
Honestly that's disappointing me more than anything.
Yu-No had a lot of content that were removed because they didn't have enough time to incorporate them so it would have been nice to see them

>>12847123
Some of them are. There are hundreds of artists in the industry, just because there are three of four well-known female eroge artists doesn't mean the majority of them are female. Not to mention it's a publicity stunt for some artists. Stop pulling facts out of your ass.

>>12847124
Honestly our best bet is probably for someone here to upload it, since the Chinese don't care and Girlcelly's sources apparently didn't buy it.

>>12847098
wow, she's just like me!

>>12847108
fucking aseda cuntboy, why couldn't he just make STGs? ikeda must be rolling in his grave.

>>12847124
Moogy had it preordered. You can beg him for dl link if you are desperate.

>>12847117
ugh. that is some bullshit, 5pb.

>>12847132
It's a lot more than just three or four.

>>12847108
Famitsu too.

http://www.famitsu.com/news/201412/29068836.html

>>12847117
There are only three important sex scenes in the novel, I think these will be kept in the all ages version

>>12847134
Except she's a girl! Amazing, right!

>>12847124
Yes.

I wonder about the wait for Chiru Chiru Michiru Part 2. Part 1 had to be uploaded by someone here first.

New Silky's Plus.

Artist: Ichikawa Saasha
Writer: Ashizuri Misaki

Same as Jokei Kazoku 3 and Ai Shimai 4.

Hey /jp/! Could you tell your "friend" to fuck off from /vg/ thread? I'm kinda sick getting told that Dies Irae and Muramase are the best kamige ever. We know that and i don't need it to be repeated every time.

>>12847211
I've got a better idea, you should just invite Habluka-kun to your thread for some counter-opinions on these games.

>>12847211
>>12847247
If this is not retarded shitposting, I don't know what is.

>>12847211
That thread is a piece of shit, deal with it.

>>12847128
Honestly, with how old the game is I'd find it kind of unlikely that any traces of said content even really exists anymore, and it's not like they can call up Kanno on their Ghost Phone and ask him about it.

>>12847206
A pure vanilla game (at least that's what it looks like) from this artist would be nice.

>>12847309
>at least that's what it looks like
There's a male with a face in what it looks like a romantic/sex scene.

>>12847108
No, seriously, what's with this recent trend of digging up old classics and shitting all over them? First those console fucks butcher TT2, now this.

LEAVE EROGE ALONE!!!!!

>>12847109
>>12847132
>>12847091
Did you know the majority of the circles at Comiket are lead by women? No, I'm not pulling facts out of my ass like you are. Page 10.
http://www.comiket.co.jp/info-a/C77/C77CMKSymposiumPresentation.pdf

>>12839308
Another Anna clone

>>12847206
Awesome. Though I can't help but associate Ichikawa's art with hardcore sex and NTR.

>>12847319
Every vanilla game should be like that.

>>12847368
That's common knowledge and it's not surprising since Comiket originally started out targeted towards fujoshi. It doesn't have shit to do with commercial eroge.

>>12847368
It is all badly drawn yaoi smut isn't it?

>>12847574
Some yaoi is not bad, but probably.

>>12847199
>I wonder about the wait for Chiru Chiru Michiru Part 2.

I paid for it the other day, but I chose SAL shipping. If someone else doesn't upload it by the time it reaches me (seems likely considering yeah, it took a month until someone here uploaded it Part I) I'll upload it.

>>12847854
Thanks, I would be very thankful for that.

Finished the silverio vendetta trial, solid enough, really liked the music and the setting (and lack of anything resembling a high school) seems promising. Made me want to read the whole game when it comes out.
Now to ama ama kanojos.

>>12847861
Now that chiruchiru has come up, this might be a good time to ask.
I haven't played part I yet because I imagine it's mostly like those gag shorts in the main series (Yumiko becoming a cat etc), which were rather dull. Is it anything like that?

>>12847091
Youta, Hamashima Shigeo, Nanao Naru, Inugami Akira, Carnelian, AKIRA, Yamamoto Kazue, YUKIMI, Saeki Hokuto, Hinou Itaru, Korie Riko, Mitha, Chomoyama, Mitsumi Misato, Ume Aoki, Kadoi Aya, Alpha, Aoi Nanase, Nishimata Aoi, Vanilla...

>>12848008
I never said there were no female eroge artists, just that they aren't the majority. It's also dubious how many are confirmed female, some male artists take up female names.
I really can't believe all the white-knighting on /jp/ out of all places.

>>12848065
Just admit you know nothing about the industry and move on.
>white-knighting
Using terms incorrectly isn't making you look any smarter, either.

>>12848109
Why are you so eager to prove women make up the majority of eroge artists when it's obviously false looking at the industry as a whole, not just several isolated cases.
It's ridiculous how many people put mediocre female artists, Sayori in particular, on a pedestal simply because they're female. I thought we could at least get away from that sort of cancer in these threads, guess I was wrong.

>>12848158
>simply because they're female.
People can't like her for any other reasons beyond being female.

>>12848158
I never even said Sayori was good. It's just ridiculous for you to insist that the only reason she's popular is because she's a woman when many, if not most eroge artists are also women. Like, what even goes through your head to lead you to that conclusion?

>>12847549
>It doesn't have shit to do with commercial eroge.
You serious? This isn't the 90's anymore.

>>12848172
>>12848195
She even draws BDSM art of her 2d self to appeal to the otaku who buy into her act that she's one of the guys who likes eroge and hardcore porn just like me! If she never revealed her gender she wouldn't be as popular, she'd just be another run of the mill eroge artist.

>most eroge artists are also women
Nice wishful thinking on your part.

>>12848239
>Actually, it's about ethics in eroge production.

>>12848275
hi herkz

>>12848158
Really? Most of the ones I named I'm not even big fans of. However, Youta, Hamashigeo, Carnelian, AKIRA, Saeki Hokuto, and Aoi Nanase are good.

>>12848239
>She even draws BDSM art of her 2d self

Link? :^)

Do any of you go through the text before the lines are spoken? I feel like this is one of the reasons I've been reading slowly, but to me it's like a very important part of the experience. It'd feel strange to stop the character from talking suddenly.

It's taken a while due to real life, but I finally managed to finish Supreme Candy.

In the end, it's probably not worth playing unless you feel compelled to read everything Sca-ji has written. Even Jako's route fell kind of flat for me. It has its moments, but it goes completely of the rails and not entirely in a good way. All the routes besides Jako's and Yuuri's are garbage and utterly pointless to the main plot, so it's best to just ctrl through them.

Can anyone comment on how Himanatsu compares? I'm sure it doesn't get as crazy, but if it's better as a moege I might give it a shot at some point.

>>12848439
I've never played it but I really liked the track HOOVER GIRL off the sound track.

I liked Sayori long before I knew she was a grill, what do I win?

Mind you that was just because she was a less awful artist than Sou Miyata so I didn't have to stab my eyes out looking at age official illustrations every once in a while and who the fuck isn't


I have this terrifying feeling 5pb might actually make money whoring out disgusting remakes of highly regarded old games and thus isn't liable to fuck off any time soon.

Is Yume Miru Kusuri any good?

>>12848619
Babbies first VN, at least before Katawa Shoujo took that spot.

Its not terrible.

>>12848439
What, is supreme candy a moege? I didn't play because I thought it was a real deal game, if its a moege I guess I'll try it.

>>12848619
It got a "best game" from getchu when it came out. Take that however you will.

But then again, so did overflow's latest nukige.

>>12848639
It's basically a moege aside from Jako's route and some scenes in Yuuri and Hanei's routes. I, uh, can't really recommend it as such, though, because the SoL parts suck and there are tons of much better moege out there.

>>12848439
Himanatsu is probably better as a game, but because they primarily got Asta and the other writer I don't remember the name of to do the main routes, it didn't really feel like a Makura game. Sad to hear that you didn't like Supreme Candy though.

A game filled with large chested women, and the once girl with a small chest? It's a man.

This breaks my immersion.

>>12848781
>男の娘
Picked the fuck up.

What's the best harem ending you've experienced?

>>12848793
Magical Charming's was pretty nice, but I'm probably only choosing it because it's the latest one I've seen.

>>12848793
I can't really pick one because most have been pretty bad and just seem like an excuse to have a multiperson H scene.

>>12848715
It wasn't all bad. It did have a certain old-school charm that I liked, and I really enjoyed some of the scenes Sca-ji wrote. It just felt very... disorganized, and Jako's route might as well have been a completely different game. But I guess it can't be helped. At least Sakura no Uta shouldn't suffer from that issue since Sca-ji is doing most of the writing himself.

Are there any games with a newhalf character?

>>12848851
I'm pretty sure Jako's route wasn't actually written by scaji, but yeah, it was kind of all over the place.

>>12848866
He confirmed on Twitter a while back that he wrote Yuuri and Jako's routes over the span of like two months so they ended up being kind of rough.

It's pretty obvious which parts he wrote anyway, since his style is markedly different from the other Makura writers.

>>12848793
The one from Ryouki. The MC just doesn't give a shit about the corrupt nobles and scum bags surrounding him. All he wants is his big sister back.

>>12848851
I'm still convinced that Shuri's route only exists because Karory drew a girl with a silly bow and someone got the idea to just put her into the game somewhere. Outside of her route, she didn't have any voiced lines and showed up maybe twice in passing.

I've been reading Baldr Sky lately (with a lot of help from atlas of course) and I was just wondering, why does Lain keep referring to Kou as "Chewy"? It just seems like her calling him by some cute nickname all the time kind of messes up the tone of some scenes. Hoping someone can shed some light.

>>12849001
>>>hongfire

>>12849001
>Chewy
heh, that's pretty funny.

>>12848991
Seems like a sensible explanation. Because yeah, that route had nothing to do with anything. It's almost like it was meant to be a "hidden" route or something, but you have to finish it to unlock Jako's, so...

>>12849001
It's 中尉.
Not a cute nickname.

What are some VN companies that have not sold themselves out into anime adaptations? Akabeisoft2 is the only one that springs to mind.

>>12849108
Akabeisoft has ero anime adaptions. Koikishi and the upcoming LovelyxCation ero anime.

What is the most pretentious / hardest to read visual novel of 2014?

>>12849265
All VNs are easy to read if you know Japanese. Concept of "hard to read" stuff is made up by EOPs, who can't get their ATLAS to translate it.

>>12849265

Hello Lady, Senshinkan, or Teito Hiten would be my three guesses. I wouldn't really call any of them "pretentious" in the sense of what that word actually means though.

>>12848793
Does the ending of IM2 count as one? Though it always confused me how relatively unfazed everyone was there about that whole THE BABY business.

>>12849192
I don't think the guy you responded to would count these minor throwaway ero-anime as selling out, would surprise me if the did.

>>12849293
Yeah, Senshinkan and Teito Hiten are the two I'd pick out by virtue of being both by Light and Liar-soft. None of those have been particularly preachy or pretentious though.

Rather late to the party starting with the Ley Line series. How's the chuuni in it? I don't mind over the top FSN tier levels. Also I've heard the first game kinda ends in a cliffhanger.

>>12848793
Bunnyblack2 has best harem end. He got thousands of kids from many hundreds of wifes.

>>12849270
I'm describing a certain type of visual novel calm down bro.

>>12849327
Not very chuuni at all, it's just your standard mystery story with magic.

>>12841062

>>12850496
>>12841062
This might be just my inner tinfoil speaking but I can't help but think they did this remake project in response to the translation a few months back.

>>12850496
Fuck nayseries, the art already makes it better than the original. I wish I hadn't played it yet.

>>12850496
Fuck naysayers, the art already makes it better than the original. I wish I hadn't played it yet.

>>12850500
>a few months back.

The translation came out over 3 years ago.

If Dies Irae, Muramasa and Asairo were so good how come they don't even place in top 3 of Getchu award or 2 chan choice? Checkmate Moogy!

>>12850923
Senshinkan, Moogy's favorite game of year, is top 1 on sales chart for its month. Stop being fucking retarded.

>>12850930
No, it's not.

>>12850923
I'm still mad about Japs shitting on Asairo for the dumbest reasons and I'm not even Moogy.

>>12850941
What's the point of such blatant shitposting? Everyone can just open http://www.getchu.com/granking/201402.html and see that you are lying in a very dumb way.

>>12850942
What? Japs hates Asairo?

>>12850951
They only like things that are really easy to read and they couldn't fuck waka, so of course they were pissed.

>>12850951
"Muh no routes!".

>>12850951
Asairo is quite overrated here anyway. Yeah, it's good but calling it kamige or masterpiece is exaggerating.

>>12850967
You could say the same for every kamige out there

>>12850967
I bet you don't even accept Moogy as our lord and savior.

>>12850969
Like? I mean why western audience who learn Japanese as secondary languange praise Asairo much more than Japanese native do ? Doesn't make sense.

>>12850967
For me it was a kamige. Just like Subahibi, Baldr sky and so on. And why do you think it's overrated? Probably only three people in this thread think it's one.
>>12850977
I think he meant that you could apply that logic to any other game that gets constantly praised.

>>12850977
That's pretty stupid as an argument, or do you think you are somehow inferior to japanese readers or something?
Asairo is liked fondly in japan by certain circle anyways, it was just downvoted to death because Shumon/Propeller downright mislead the buyers hinting to several routes and more ero

>>12850982
Shut up Habluka

>>12850977
The Japanese didn't like the fact that it didn't have routes and that they weren't informed about it beforehand. In fact, they were kind of tricked into thinking at least some of the main cast would be h-able. The genre twist also came kind of late and some people were bound to be pissed about it.
Back when I first read about Asairo being praised by a lonely anon here I knew what I was getting into and fully enjoyed it, as did many other people thereafter.
The language barrier wasn't even that high with Asairo honestly.
Not the guy you're replying to by the way.

>>12850988
But I like Masada and Shimokura.

>>12850988
What? Is this some kind of new meme?

>>12850986
How is Asairo "downvoted"? Please, stop pulling facts out of your ass.

>>12850989
I don't know about it being a kamige. I liked it but it's not that amazing as /jp/ said. Only above average.

>>12850998
>How is Asairo "downvoted"? Please, stop pulling facts out of your ass.
How about looking at egs?

And your sole opinion isn't the indicator to what is or isn't a kamige

Is FSN a kamige?

>>12850998
Many people started downvoting after they discovered the game had only one route. Just take a look at the oldest EGS reviews and you'll see people giving lower grades just because of that.

Is Asairo a feels-ge?

>>12851001
How? I only see 6 votes that give Asairo 0 . That's pretty normal coming from game with 861 total votes. It's not only me, even Japan didn't think Asairo is a kamige.

>>12851015
How about reading the reviews rather than looking at the 0s, you know japanese, right?

>>12851018
Yeah. there are some people who complain about there are only 3 H-scenes and 1 routes or "i buy it without thinking because it's propeller" but most of them complain about MC being annoying.

>>12851041
The majority of older reviews complain about the game having only one route. Stop cherrypicking.

>>12851041
Most people, even those who gave 80~ complain about the lack of ero and how it negatively influenced the score.
Instead, people who found the MC annoying are mostly give-up people. If they actually understood that a character can be kind of annoying while being well written and bothered finishing the game they would have been plentifully rewarded.

>>12851050
>>12851054
samefag

>>12851064
Don't forget to call us Moogy too.

Talking about overrated kamige, I reread Subahibi recently and it's really full of faults.
The pacing can be really horrible, Sca-ji is repetitive to a fault saying the same thing 3-4 times every dialogues, the first and second half of the game are so disconnected it doesn't even feel like they belong in the same game, though that come from most of the first half of the game being lifted directly from Tsui no Sora.

I really liked the game when I did it first time through but second time and it really doesn't go above the 80's

>>12846396
I kinda messed up the 好感度 for every character (thought the choices in random events don't matter) because I started before I saw that guide.

Pic related are the rates I currently have at the part where you chose root (before the ship battle).

As I understand you need 60 for every character to get the endings right?

Should I just restart?

>>12851256
>As I understand you need 60 for every character to get the endings right?
No, as long as you fulfilled other criterias, you will enter route of heroine with highest 好感度 if she has the route.

>>12851256
You don't need it to be that high but don't forget to make the special dildo for Juri and shit

>>12851266
>>12851271
So based on that picture I'll now enter 樹里 root and will after have to start from the beginning to get the 好感度 for other girls right?

>>12851283
Link I've posted above explains routes system in great detail, check other prerequisites listed there.

>>12851076
>Sca-ji is repetitive to a fault saying the same thing 3-4 times every dialogues
And yet people don't seem to perceive what's he saying and why he does that. Maybe it should require even more recursion or him shoving sense-data through your throat. Oh, except the main theme is just about not doing that!

>>12851283
Just use any memory editor program like Cheat Engine or Artmoney and edit it to needed value.

Speaking of kamige, what is your favorite eroge that you acknowledge as kamige /jp/? I want to hear some opinion.

>>12851332
Stop with that kamige shit. It's going to turn out to be "Dies Irae , Muramasa , Asairo is the best eroge ever circlejerking" I'm tired seeing those names discussed .They are not even that good, just because they are a bit harder to read than most eroge and not your usual "dating high school girl " people are bragging about how good they are . Honestly, I'm sick of that.

>>12851332
Dies Irae, KKK, Itsusora, Muramasa, Oretsuba, Amatsukaze, Asairo.

>>12851402
I think it makes sense to class something as, at the very least, more interesting as a piece of literature/media if it stands out from other works in the same medium. Not that Dies Irae and such necessarily do, but a lot of moege tend to be very similar.

You can still get kamige moege, kamige chuunige etc though right? a moege could stand out from other moege for example.

>>12851402
>>12851419
LOL.

I guess you're right.

>>12851332
That question reminds me of this thread:
>>/jp/thread/S11889085#p11889277

>>12851422
The thing is people here to tend shove up to everyone that those games are objectively kamige.

>>12851455
You can like and talk about whatever game you want you know.
What is a kamige for you?

>>12851455
Not really. It's been a while since people talked about Muramasa here and last time they did I remember it was a guy annoyed with the ending calling it edgy discussing with other people.

>>12851455
So it's ok as long as you shove up to everyone that some other game you like is a kamige instead?

>>12851322
Cheat engine works great. Would never come to my mind to use it.
Thanks.

>>12851332
Majikoi, Taiyou no Promia, Tasogare no Sinsemilla, Damekoi, Akagoei: Tumibukaki Syuumaturon, Ayakasibito

>>12851455
It's pretty foolish to insist that anything is purely subjective or objective, and I think that for the objective portion of judging eroge, the 'edgy' stuff like Muramasa and Dies Irae probably win out. This is why you often get people who act completely autistic about it and try to perceive eroge as if they're fucking connoisseurs - the subjective parts just aren't much of a factor.

This isn't to say that the subjective aspects can't be far more important to a particular person however.

>>12851493
* much of a factor to them

>>12851332
My personal favorite would be:
Natsu no Ame
Hatsusaku ( I don't understand why /jp/ hates it)
Sengoku Rance ( my first eroge that hook me to this medium)
Little Buster

Sorry for being moebuta and not liking chuunige /jp/.

>>12851506
>Hatsusaku ( I don't understand why /jp/ hates it)
For having shitty, inconsequential routes, inconsistent and sometimes downright bad art, some terrible voice acting and a convulted 'story' for what it was worth.
That's why I hate it, at least. Basically the same faults little busters has but more prominent to the point the negatives far outweigh the positives.

>>12851493
Because Dies Irae and Muramasa are indeed objectively better than most eroge. That's a fact that acknowledged by most people who played them properly.

>>12851076
I've said it before, but Subahibi is one of my favorite eroge, and even I don't really get why it's as popular as it is.

>>12851521
Let me guess. Your favorite eroge probably somewhere along Asairo and Dies Irae line, correct ?

>>12851550
why are Asairo and Dies Irae even lumped together?

>>12851538
1. I said that they were objectively better.
2. Because what? I didn't ask any questions?

>>12851332
My favorites (not sure if I would call all of them kamige): Ikusa Megami Zero, Forest, Sona-Nyl, Inganock, Albatross.

>>12851557
>>12851556
>>12851493
See? This is what i'm talking about. Fuck your Muramasa and Dies Irae. They are not "OBJECTIVELY" better than anything, stop shoving that word without knowing what it really means.

>>12845123
>>12845123

anyone know what game is this from?

>>12851592
I think you don't understand what I was getting at here:
>>12851493

Objectively better /= better overall.

Objectively better + subjectively better = better overall.

Simple right? There are definitely objective aspects to judging anything, but how important they are in the final result is entirely dependent on who is judging, and the thing being judged. Face the fact that a lot of moege are shittily written/drawn etc. and DI etc. are well written/drawn etc. It doesn't mean they are overall better, but in most cases, they win in the objective aspect. Yet, if you only judge things based on that you are more often than not a fucking autistic self-appointed critic. Stop acting like you are being persecuted by /jp/, it's fucking pathetic and just shows you are uncomfortable with your preference.

>>12851647
There are more properly executed moege than plotge, though.

>>12851676
Sure there are, but the question here is whether a properly executed, standard moege is as objectively good as the same but for a plotge.
I'd argue what you say is true mainly either because there are so many more attempts at moege, or plotge are just generally harder to pull off.

>>12851647
You can't be serious...

Not this shit again.

I've enjoyed both chuunige and school life moege, guess I don't belong in this thread.

>>12851700
Just let the retards whine, they'll get tired one of these days.

>>12851700
>>12851705
In case people can't be bothered to read the walls of text above - they are affirming peoples' free will and choice for both moege, plotge and chuunige.
That's all.

>>12851695
Why not? If this isn't the case then why is there such a thing as a guilty pleasure?
With a guilty pleasure, you know it is 'objectively' bad, but 'subjectively' you like it, and that is a personal thing not true for everyone. If this isn't a very real example of what I have been saying then I will retract my assertions.

I'm a moe-buta and thought DI was complete garbage. It's about as laser focused on a certain audience as something like LxC. I understand why people think highly of Muramasa, well written story with a perfect ending and interesting themes in general. It's easy to appreciate. But something like DI? Completely unrelatable, wacky themes about transcendental concepts and a writer who is so far up his own ass that there is some kind of unnecessary flowery analogy in every line.

I guess I'm mostly confused how /jp/ can read this shit while being all "wow, what a wordsmith this guy is!" while being completely oblivious to the chuuni trashiness of it all.

>>12851738
>the chuuni trashiness of it all.
But that's why I like it, looks cool, sounds cool and reads cool, why shouldn't I like it?

>>12851738
I'm not even a moebuta but I agree 100% with what you just said.

Change one word and you get this:

>>12851738
>the moe trashiness of it all.
But that's why I like it, looks cute, sounds cute and reads cute, why shouldn't I like it?

Anyone notice a theme here?

>>12851738
You are my hero.

>>12851758
yeah, that people are getting frighteningly incompetent when it comes to quoting the correct posts these days.

>>12851738
>The only eroge that rated 10 by Moogy
>garbage

You're trying too hard Habluka.

>>12851778
Wow... Just wow...
I don't even know what to say to that. I think you should probably go read what you just said. Twice. I have a feeling you missed the point entirely.

>>12851758
That people like things they like? Yeah. One would think a language barrier would at least block retards who can't even comprehend this.

What moege would you guys consider to be kamige then?

>>12851785
Nah, >>12851778 meant that >>12851758 wanted to quote >>12851750 but because he is a retarded faggot, he quoted >>12851738 instead.

>>12851810
WLO

>>12851811
I literally copied and pasted the post and changed a few words, which surprisingly was the entire point of >>12851758. It isn't incorrect quotation so much as being too lazy to remove a quotation from a copy and paste, so sue me.

>>12851810
I loved most of hoshiori this year, it's probably my favorite pure love game at the moment.

>>12851823
Hoshiori and Haretaka are my picks for the year.

>>12851813
So it really was Habluka all along

>>12851810
Mashifoni
Clover Day's

>>12851810
It's not a moege if it's a kamige.

>>12851950
And if it is a moege it is always kusoge.

Why the fuck is everyone out to get each other in here?

This is about the last place people can discuss untranslated VNs on the English internet, yet people are like hyenas.

It's like you don't even care about the VNs themselves, just what others say about them.

>>12852099
Too many people from /a/ and /vg/ learned Japanese and started posting here.
It's obvious from the posting styles and people saying shit like "moebuta" and "kamige" with any degree of seriousness.

>>12852241
>talking about posters being hostile
>being hostile towards posters who choose to use certain words

>>12852253
Who are you even quoting?

>>12852241
People complained about Muramasa, MuvLuv and whatever else was it being overrated since forever. I remember multiple sarcastic threads about Muramasa being the epitome of literature back in 2010.
The only thing that has changed is the vocabulary. Instead of name calling people it was scenarioge vs moege shitflinging.

>>12852099
I know, it's pretty sad. It's the natural course (curse?) of communities that get larger, though so it was to be expected. I just try to ignore the noise since there still seem to be a few decent posters around.