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It's back up and my E6 quest still says 30 times E6. I have a bad feeling about this.

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She now also drops from E7-10 I think. I bet the drop rate will be abysmal.

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　　上記エリアで「春日山城」を合戦報酬に追加いたしました。
　　※先のエリアに行くほど、春日山城の獲得率は高くなっております。　
　・合戦の通信中にゲームが進んでしまう不具合を修正

So what's the point of the quest now? Why would anyone go through 30 times E6 when they could be farming E7?

>>12831312
I'll research a bit into the maps I guess

For all we know E8 could be easier than E7

>>12831318
It's either E7 or 8, 9 has a pretty big difficulty jump if I remember correctly and E10 is E10.

>>12831324
8 and 9 are hilariously bad from my memory with the bears

The biggest problem currently is finding a way to take little damage while clearing to guarantee the drop from the maps

So what did they change?

>>12831331
I'll see how well my E6 strategy works in E7 for now and post it if it does.

>>12831340
Nevermind, water.

I fucking hate Baba.

The quest reward should be a mute button and a bag for her face.

The real winners are the exploiters who dodged the ban on 2ch

Definitely should have took a shot

>>12831307
So that's it huh. Without perfect victory this is going to be a pain in the ass, I'm already having shit tier luck with E3 prereg girl that I don't expect to get the poster girl.

I regret neglecting mountains after finishing them now, any way to improve their chance of getting bells? with that abysmal luck.

All my healing girls just get wrecked by bears in E7. I don't think it's possible to do this without some casualties.

>>12831560
Why couldn't they put her in E6 as well, fucking devs.

>>12831557
"I have over 300 bells, that should be way more than enough for a first event so I'll focus on plains and lake for more build stones now."

I regret it so much, I could've had over 500 if I just kept at it and not neglected the 20 repairs quest too. 2-7 girl has over 100 luck and is a mountain, she's the only good one I think.

>>12831560
Stop feeding the Foxjew already.
Max level holo castles + the right Holo equipment = you still get wrecked.

What do you want more?

>>12831560
E7 and E8 is ground heavy from what I remember while E9 is air heavy. Maybe that would work?

>>12831574
E9 has those yellow fork faggots though and they are ridiculous, and it only has those fat fliers so Marugame can't carry you through it. Maybe using some of the many silver/orange swords will work for E7/8.

So the game is gonna die, because this is maximum bullshit
Sad, really

>>12831726
This latest maneuver isn't exactly what people were asking for, but at the very least we have a chance to get the poster girl (and the others too? I'm not sure if I understood that correctly). I don't care about perfect map clearing or even clearing all the maps at all if I can get the castles without doing that, so it's a matter of seeing if others think the same or otherwise.

Why couldn't they just change the quest to something less absurd?

>>12831736
First of all, the drop rate is probably so bad that you'll exhaust all your res before getting her and it's only for the poster girl.
Secondly, that still doesn't solve the issue of E-10 being borderline pay2win and there being an E-10 reward

I had already given up on getting pirate girl because lacking holos but I suppose this really drove home that the devs are too blockheaded to fix an obvious mess.

>>12831736
But if your castles get too damaged, good bye 100% drop. I can see this burning the bells fast and if she has a low chance then we're fucked.

It doesn't even matter since I just failed to clear E-5 because of those fucking bears and elephants. I'm clearly a kuso tono.

If you guys aren't below dirtier methods, cheat engine works

You can clear E10 without using cash shop items with a grand total of 4 holos, the rest being silver, pink and orange. There might even be an easier way to do it, it's still early. It's hard, but you guys sure love to exaggerate.

The only truly fucked up parts are the quest and possibly the drop rate of poster girl.

>>12831771
And who are those holos?

>>12831776
I am guessing Odawara, Nagoya, Marugame, Sendai?

>>12831776
Nagoya, idol, Odawara, Marugame. You can even replace Nagoya and Odawara.

>>12831789
And who do I replace idol and Odawara with?

>>12831828
You could try based on this guy's video.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25184701

His equipment isn't too absurd aside from a +15 range horse but I think that can be replaced with a +10 one. The castle requirements are fairly easy as well, seems fairly plausible.

>>12831828
Idol can't be replaced in that tactic, Odawara can be replaced by Fukuoka., but you don't have to use that specific tactic. If you can clear E9 you can clear E10.

The first 9 waves of E10 are easier than E9, but E10 tricks you into thinking you should place a lot of ranged units early by throwing a bunch of low health flies at you. Doing this will make you lose to the boss. If you only place a few ranged early and focus on a melee defense you will have enough ranged power left to use in the last wave to take down the boss even if you have a low health main castle like Takiyama.

I'd say Tottori is the only true mandatory unit for E10 because only bat-chan can beat her in E10 boss DPS. Look for an E10 video to see boss pathing and place ranged units accordingly.

>>12831849
No, that's wrong actually

You need holos because of their toughness. Fukuoka with double +60def guns will barely survive unlike odawara

>>12831849
>>12831845
I'll try it later, thanks for the tips.

Here's hopes to me dodging the hammer

>>12831895
Time to grind anon. Report back with those affinity growths.

>>12831899
I'll get both to 25 and let you know. I feel like like total scum for using such crap in a game honestly

But well if the devs are being jerks with such a first event.. Let's just hope I dodge the hammer

>>12831911
I don't blame you, the devs are huge faggots.

I think I just go for pre-reg girl. Tried crafting for Marugame but getting Nijo and Fukuyama instead.

Meanwhile Criminal Girls is having their open Beta, I guess I'm gonna go release some steam there.

>>12831984
Jesus, at least you can get some holos. And Bat chang is pretty great, I'm sure she'd be useful in E10.

>>12831984
Criminal Girls dev spotted

>>12831899
Here's pirate at 25

Tech 6>12

Beasts 4>7
Sea(food) 11>22
Flying bastards 4>7

Final yield(?)
tech 30
Beast 16
Sea 55
Flying scumbags 16

Working on sasugayama next

>>12831994
Tech 26>52

Nature 1>2
Divine 6>11

Final yield(?)
Tech 104

Nature 4
Divine 26

>>12832071
Skill is good but the affinities aren't that impressive.

Some streamer is recording E10 poster girl drops using his own data and that of his viewers, and so far she's dropped 10 out of 300 times. You might as well just do the quest.

>>12832105
Jesus fuck, really devs? you're too kind.

Meanwhile, I'm giving up on getting a prereg girl copy, 155 runs and only one so far.

>>12832105
So average of 30 drops? I am going to double that and make it 60 since it doesn't seem possible to perfect E7 or above yet. That is a bit better the quest I say.

>>12832120
>That is a bit better the quest I say.
Not so fast, you're forgetting that most of the people in this thread have a luck stat that's in the negatives.

>>12832111
It doesn't cost anything to deploy low cost healers, calm down

Take it easy and slow. I'm getting 3 myself and maybe 2(?) sasugas

>>12831789
I want to see the supposed setup for this because I have those but see no way to clear it

>>12832152
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25201415

>>12832160
Yeah sure just let me get this idol out of constr-

Nope. Not able to

>>12831845
One +50 def gate on Taki
+25 and +50 human on Gassantoda
Two +15 range horses on Kochi
+25 and +50 animal on Odani
+12 and +10 speed guns on Odawara
+15 range and +5 speed on Tottori
+9 range / +4 def and +10 range on Mito
Also Odani required and she's another 5 hour timer

Yeah, totally not absurd. Hey, wait a second

Requesting updated bingo

>>12832160
Def blade / +50 def tool on Idol
Gatling Gun / +10 speed gun on Odawara
+15 range horse on Tottori
+50 animal on Nagoya
Flying sword on Taki
Two +8 speed guns on Utoko
+15 range horse / +8 speed bow on Sakurao
+50 human on Marugame

No Inabayama here, missing a gatling gun / one +15 range horse, flying sword

fuck
my
life

>>12832174
>>12832182
The equipment they use isn't required, they just have no reason to use worse equipment than they have. That said, Tottori does need some range. Double 10 might be enough.

>>12832187
Pretty sure it actually is required. I tried one of those video setups in earlier maps and tried with worse equip than what was shown and got my ass kicked

30 times 7779 later, a metric ton of crap and nothing useful

Have Nagoya, Sendai. Odani, Magugame and Rai-chan (and Nijo), but didn't see a single +10 or +15 horse. Using 7/7/7/9 for the 90% of the time for equipment crafting. Cannot help thinking that Im doing something wrong.

>>12832202
I got both of my horses with all10 so maybe try that?

60 times 7779, two useless as shit holo guns, one +15 range horse

>>12832229
Didn't even got a +15 in my 200 craft campaign before the event

Have enough holo guns to fill 2 pages, but only 1 speed gun

90 times 7779, way too many UAS holo guns, one +60 def gun, one +15 range horse, one gatling gun

I am so fucking close to seeing a pattern in time based crafting
Something like, the seed actually repeats the base result (pool, rarity) after X,X seconds after the result screen
it's something like 5 or 6 seconds

Still not sure what to do about clearing E-8 since all the setups I see have 1 or more girls I don't have and those are all holos or very specific castles that aren't easily replaced

>>12832111
So I took a break and got her exactly on the next one, thanks /jp/. I wish it'd work for holos as well.

>>12832348
I've been complaining about no Takamatsu for literally weeks and nothing

57103 kuroda gave me a spare yanagi. I probably shouldn't have used her 3-5 stone for her I guess

Come on nakachang, protect my smile(and event hopes)

My feels when I got two five hour crafts right next to each other Christmas. Thanks based RNG

>>12832446
Sucks for us who weren't able to get them all holos in 3 weeks huh

>>12832446
I decided to try that recipe with Kiyomasa and it gave me a 35 min castle, so I decided to try again anyway and go all out but with Kuroda.

Naka-chan out of nowhere, thank you very much dear Anon.

>>12832470
I have no Sendai, no Shuri, no Odani, no Takamatsu(and her I'll never get), no Fukuyama, no Naeki, no Nijo, No Sawayama, no Sakamotoshiro
I'm lvl 86

Any hopes of devs nerfing the event? since people are still complaining from what I've seen on twitter.

>>12832524
They had several options, and while they didn't go infinite retard (buying girls for money) they did go full retard (super slim drop chance on E-7 to E-10) so it's pretty much a guarantee they will be ultra retarded forever

All these 50 minute timers with all 8 standard
I could probably do E-8 if I got Sendai or Shuri or Odani but nope

Holo horse - 7 animal, 7 nature 3 crit

WHY THE FUCK

and right after, holo gun with 3 human 3 bird 8 AA 9 attack

STOP THIS

>>12832683
>>12832686
Troll crafts are the worst, getting up your hopes then crushing them.

2ch retards are being blatantly stupid and spreading around exploits

>>12832720
Exploits as in actual hacks, or just specific setups?

>>12832720
Exploits like what?

Also, good job, I can't fault them at all, considering the faggot devs refuse to acknowledge the event is retarded

FUCKING S HOLO HORSE
AND IT'S 10 BIRD SCROLL

INFINITE FUCK YOU

Yes I'm fucking mad and shouting at my monitor

>>12832725
>>12832726
http://wc2014.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameswf/1419506289/

No comments. I'm pretty sure they're unaware of the failsafe checks in place too

Pretty sure the game is completely doomed at this point, unless the devs suddenly get their heads out of their asses and actually make the event only moderately difficult. Like cutting the enemy attack power literally in half

>>12832758
Japs are stubborn like that, they'll sink along with their p2w ship.

>>12832777
Makes me wonder if I should even bother playing normally and not using CE

>>12832732
What failsafe checks? I doubt there are actually any. The game only sends data at wave end so if you reset values to normal before that, it would look fine.

I finally get my second 5 hour timer and it's a fucking duplicate Odawara
I don't have Shuri or Odani

What the FUCK

>>12832786
Do it if you think you're good at it. Just don't make a fuss/show like those dumb attention-seeking nips and get us all in trouble

>>12832795
Test things properly and notice some interesting points first before going big. Use a healing girl first to simulate things, or a cover if you want.

And no, german castle assassin, don't speedhack the kancolle process. It's the 1-1 speedlevel classic but speedhacking is too easily detectable, even with the limitations of flash

>>12832805
I'd trade but I only have a single Odani which I got when I was below level 20

Anyone willing to link these cheat engine tricks?
I'm full Kamikaze mode right now.

>>12832856
I can't seem to figure out how to edit range or speed

RIP Tonos, it was nice playing with you.

>>12832866
I blame the retarded devs

Might as well just cheat engine my way to Kasuga as well, I don't really care anymore.

These discussions would fare better in a more obscure forum, not a goddamn 4chan thread. Use your damn heads, I know it's exciting and a first-fucking experience for many of you, but control yourselves

>>12832902
It's not so much exciting as we're resigned to leaving the game soon so might as well cheat
Because really, I am not staying with a P2W game

>>12832902
Like, which one?
No, really, tell me. Because I'm Interested into being where things actually happen, but my newcomer ignorance always keeps me at bay.

>>12832902
I don't see the problem of talking about cheating or whatever, there was that in the Kancolle thread too. Also why does it matter if it's on some forum or 4chan? I would understand if it was some more advanced hacking like stealing people's accounts, but for cheating at some solo game it's not a big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqm-kmA_LJ0

>>12832902
Yeah, everyone knows "goddamn 4chan" is just a regular bastion of online morality.

>>12833044
Hammer time

>>12833044
This is absolutely terrifying

>>12833057
Now imagine that with Marugame

>>12833044
If there haven't been any bans yet after this, it's the last sign the devs give no shit

100 castle crafts and all I got was a single holo which I already had.

>>12833154
So nothing new in unlucky land.

>>12833158
Going to try again on New years and if I get nothing out of that I think it's over for me.

>>12833154
What recipe are you attempting? Or are you just going balls to the walls with quad 10? 5/7/10/3 Kuroda gave me Naka-chan on my second attempt (although my first was with Kiyomasa), so try that combination. I've also heard that 4/6/6/3 is supposed to be good, but I haven't gotten too many good results from that, if I recall correctly.

>>12833167
I used a bunch of different ones 8/8/8/8, 4/6/6/3, 5/7/10/3, and like five 4/3/6/1s for Nagoya. I threw in an all 10 for my 100th craft and got a 20min timer

>>12833167
> second attempt
Wanna share that luck, onii-san?

>>12833184
Level/Builder used? Kuroda seems to hate straight quads like 8/8/8/8 or 10/10/10/10, I think I've never gotten anything past 30 or 50 minutes out of that; on the other hand, more "specific" recipes seem to work better, but I say that while having barely made attempts with Kuroda to begin with, since he sucks all of my gold away. If you have the resources to spare, try to focus on Kuroda, maybe keep a lucky castle as your secretary just in case that'll help appease RNG-tan.

Also, 4361 is a Nagoya recipe then?

>>12833193
All if it as long as I can have some 10k of gold in exchange because farming it is such a chore, compared to metal and stone

>>12833203
I'm a level 68 Tono, used the base builder for the 8/8/8/8 and Kuroda for 5/7/10/3. 4/6/6/3 I used both.

I got the Nagoya recipe off the jp wiki and used Kuroda on it.

Is that anon who cheated his way to Kasu yesterday still here?

Maybe I should have made shiropro under a different DMM account because now my kancolle account is totally gonna get boned too

I suppose this was the only way I'd ever stop kancolle though

>>12833403
Cheat Anon is that you

>>12833449
There are a whole bunch of cheaters abound
No, that's me aka >>12833364 aka german assassin
I was kinda done with kancolle anyway but still a shitty way to go

There's just so many people cheating though, there will hardly be anyone left if they ban everyone.

>>12833470
Look at how retarded they are
If they can even detect cheating, they'll just ban everyone
Or not ban anyone and roll back the entire game to before event time and fix the system but hahahaha no way

>>12833470
Watch them fuck up banning people and end up banning people that didn't cheat.

i say we all cheat and push them into thinking how stupid the devs really are. coz they either have to ban most of the player base or fix their stupidity in game design

dead thread
dead game

T-there's still hope! Right?

>>12833630
Hope died when everyone started cheating

So, any news from the Japanese side of things? Has everyone jumped on the cheat machine?

>>12833836
A few people
Most just left

The game is pretty much dead

>>12833672
Seriously, I was still playing despite the ridiculous event/quest and the "spend money to win" tweets, but as soon as I saw the thread this morning with everyone saying "fuck it, I'm just gonna cheat" I instantly lost all motivation to even play anymore.

I guess it's better than wasting any more of my life on this shit, I let it suck away most of the past month. And I even almost ignored it because of how it was initially only open to pre-reg; just happened to catch sight of the last post in the thread one day saying it was open to everyone and there I go, playing another fucking browser game.

dead game kon!

How do you fuck up so badly, these devs are unbelievable

>>12833898
All they had to do was put poster girl as E10 reward like a normal kancolle event.
Funny how a single retarded quest ruined everything.

>>12833905
E-10 was still way too hard
If e-4 to e-10 were 20% easier than they are now, nobody would have been so mad

If it were actually possible to have even had the slightest possible chance assuming everything crits/procs and defense procs 100% of the time, to clear E10 without godcastles, I wouldn't have given up hope.
I really liked this game, it had a lot of promise. If they'd added more castle types, more enemy types, and just built on the base formula to make it more interesting, it would have been godlike.
Instead literally "Use the cash shop if you want to win!"

How do you make a game with so many cute girls and then just soil it.

Didn't the game take a long time to launch too?

It scheduled to be open sometime in the summer then delayed, and they had CBT in September if I recall correctly saying it would be open "soon". After the CBT closed I think the twitter was dead for a month, then it just came alive one day saying it would be opening for pre-registered users in a week.

I guess those delays should have been a sign the Devs were incompetent.

Good riddance, Shiropro. You can't possibly make a comeback after this. It was a fun month and, boy oh boy I will miss some designs, like Odawara, but the devs went full retard and just cannot understand how this shit works.

I've never seen a game crumble so fast. GG Event.

I'm glad I still haven't got too far in the game yet. Still only lvl 30, and 2 holo castles so far.

Well, I guess I won't be missing this game too much.

>>12833966
>If they'd added more castle types
I think they are too stuck at the idea of weapon at that period of time, hence they can only do basic weapons such as sword, spear, gun and bow.

They could've used more interesting mechanics like support castles (castles that doesn't do jack shit except provide bonus), glaive castles (not sure what kind of weapon does this IRL, sword whip maybe?), splash tower (maybe catapult kind of tower), etc2.

But nope, they decided to stick with the very basic. How boring. And now they just straight up fucked everyone in the game. This game really sucks.

A fucking real shame really, I kinda liked some of the castles art.

What if they don't ban people?
It'll be hilarious

Anyone here play Kanpani girls? I decided to look into other DMM games and see how they are doing. On their twitter and it seems like they're getting more voices, so I'm guessing they are doing well enough to hire VAs to do more voices.

>>12834455
What's the game about? How is gameplay and pay2win?

been playing kanpani since it went live. gameplay is very casual and relaxed and not p2w. i log in here and there and difficulty is not hard at all

>>12834514
Sounds a little too casual for me
I prefer huge timesinks

>>12834455
Played it, I'm not liking it due to level limits and how grindy it is if you want your 3 star units to go farther than world 3. You just need to pray that the RNG gave you a black letter with a 5 star in it.

And the crystal system with limited ways to obtain them annoys me.

I'm pretty sure the devs will be forced to reduced the difficulty sooner or later

Every new release is getting blasted to hell and back. This game is pretty popular too mind you. It has 6 times more followers than the monhun/olet/kanpani games

How the first event that introduces new players got so stupid I have no idea. It's the 50 times e10 thing that infuriates most players

I mean honestly, if sasuga dropped from e10 in one clear, I'm pretty sure many of us would just use the free crystal/smoke to just clear it once and ride off into the sunset. Many of us may even be inclined to buy 1-2 in the cash shop too

50 times is just way too greedy and makes no sense. I mean I'm scum, I'd definitely buy a 200/300 yen item to clear the event if need be, but 50 times to "complete" the event makes no sense

I'm staying till the end of the event at least

>>12834536
watch them stay stubborn and fuck it up even worse

>>12834536
And also, for players with less gear who get stuck at e7/8, the free starter/gift smoke signals would power them up to e10 easily, and one more smoke signal would just clear it for them

That's a lot of possible revenue. 50 times just shuns many players and makes no sense, really. People will just give up and whine(currently happening), instead of just nonchalantly buying 1-2 smokes for a few hundred yen and support the game while clearing the event

It's about respecting players and not making up to be lambs for the slaughter

they could follow kancolle's rng-based battle like maybe have the waves come out randomly (random map even) and then ease up on that stupid quest. but whatever, im just gonna play it casually till it dies out whenever that may be

>>12834536
I'll probably stay a while too, not sure how long. I'll probably end up playing more casually like only going on to do dailies or something. Same thing happened when I played OLET and eventually I just stopped playing.

I'm cheating my way to Kasugayama
I either clear E-10 46 more times without dropping her or drop her and stop doing it
If I get banned, I won't care much
If I don't, lol

I'd design the event to be easily clearable by high-level players, drop rare castles in e10 to motivate the craziest neets to buy cash items to farm it

I'd give out crystals and smokes mid-event/gifts like in kancolle to help out newer players in progression, which would further motivate them to "clear" the event through 1-2 cash purchases

I mean seriously, e10 single-clear is very, very possible for almost everyone.

>>12834605
>I mean seriously, e10 single-clear is very, very possible for almost everyone.

Not even close dude
If you don't have a bunch of good holos, you will simply not be able to tank all the damage

>>12834613
This is one of the biggest issue I guess. In Kancolle as long as you know what ships to bring, it doesn't matter if they are holo are not, they can still do the job.

And surprisingly some of them performs much more better than the holo. Looking at you Musashi.

>>12834605
>e10 single-clear is very, very possible for almost everyone.
Except it isn't.
I can't even make it to E-10, I have 0 holos at level 72. My silvers get crushed by the sheer numbers.

>>12834635
0 holos at 72? What in the hell are you doing

Have you actually been crafting

>>12834638
I've been crafting everyday since pre-reg. I've tried nearly every single recipe.
No sendai,rai or hat loli either.

>>12834650
How many stones left do you have, gold/normal

I'm pretty damn sure you're undercrafting

>>12834656
No special stones left.
I can't be bothered with the maps anymore.
20 normal stones give or take. Believe me I haven't been under crafting.
I don't expect much anyway, I'm still stuck in LSC hell.

>>12834664
3-5 ups your gold/iron/stone by 300 a run, drops a stone that creates yanagi

4-10 increases your rice(by a little) along with wood by a fair margin. Drops a gold stone that crafts (??)

1-5 is fairly basic, so grind it

Once you get a gold stone, craft. Save your normal stones for equipment crafting. Keep grinding only maps that drop stones

Senko twitter sure is silent

>>12834678
well, there isnt much to say other than they're fucked. they sure fucked it up real good for a first event

>>12834677
I know what the stones do.
I didn't get to 72 doing nothing.

>>12834686
Then bust your ass for more holos

My first holo was shuri at 40, then came a huge chain of holos and even dupes

>>12834697
no point in busting his ass crafting in a game that's dying or dead soon

>>12834455
I do. the worst thing about it is how rare are all of the 3-5 star girls are, you'll cry yourself to sleep if you want a certain girl. Even the paid draws won't guarantee you one rare. Though it's possible to get by with 2* until you get something better.

>>12834697
Stop pretending like luck is something you can force,
I hammered over 400 stones into crafting holos and I have no Sendai, no Shuri, no Odani, no Sawayama, fuck I got 24 dupes from 1:30 and have yet to get Oshi from that pool.
No Takamatsu or Nojima either despite endless 6 hour lake searches
You cannot justify this bullshit event difficulty

>>12834708
amen to that. i also have retarded luck. lv 63 here, been crafting 20+ a day and still not a single holo, no takamatsu or sendai for that matter. fml OTL

>>12834708
>>12834724
Glad to know I'm not the only one getting fucked by RNG. Again.

Kasugayama dropped on 9th clear of E-10
I obviously won't bother clearing this shit 41 more times
Now lets see if they ban hundreds of people

time to sleep and dream of a world where ShiroPro didn't die

If / when they ban all the people who cheated there will be barely anyone left

>>12834829
assuming more than ~80% of the player base know how to cheat and did it

>>12834834
80% of the player base that hasn't left due to pay2win, dev idiocy, cheating, ridiculous events or lack of feedback

on a side note, does anyone know banning details like when you get banned, is it only from that one game or the whole of dmm, and if it is only account or ip ban?

>>12834840
IP ban would be pointless
Friend on twitter said (banned from kancolle) he can still play other games
Some guy on 2ch said you can't play kancolle if you get banned
I'll know when they start to hand out bans to people with Kasugayama

>>12834840
I imagine it'd ban you just from that game. Since you get the "your ID was suspended blah blah" on the game page only.

Just for comparison, I've never heard of such cheating in Kancolle.

That means I'm ignorant, and Kancolle could be tricked too, or shiropro developers did a crappy job?

>>12834843
do let me know when those stupid devs start swinging that ban hammer. im tempted to cheat shiropro due to dev derping out, but not sure if id be denied access to kancolle (hated some money) with my main

>>12834858
You can theoretically speedhack in kancolle but thats really just playing the game faster
ShiroPro is just really shoddy programming

>>12834858
i have respect for games like kancolle that dont tell players to 'fuck themselves' and happily spent some money unlike you-know-what

>>12834866
i heard that speedhacking is easily detectable, well for flash at least. correct me if im wrong

>>12834873
Yeah, it's easy to detect, that's why nobody does it in kancolle

Waiting for any news from kusofox before I jump on the cheating ship as well.

>>12834910
i wouldnt expect anything from them other than 'that's all you're gonna get, deal with it' speech at this point. no difficulty scaling whatsoever, basically an FU to the new players for having no holo girls & equips; crafting useful eq is also another pain in the ass

>>12834724
I got 2 holos + Sendai and I'm level 30. Damn, compared to you, I guess I'm pretty lucky huh

>>12834936
It's not just FU to the new players. It's FU for everyone.

>>12834965
I remember when I was a low lvl and could actually craft holos

>>12834968
a bigger FU to the new peeps, not so much to the holo players.
it's funny cause they choose xmas season to hold their first ever event only to give out huge FUs to everyone as gifts

>>12834991
I remember Kancolle's Christmas Arpeggio event, lightyears away from this.

>>12834976
How the hell do you guys get to level 90+ anyway? Are you just grinding 3-3 nonstop? I've been playing this for almost a month and I could only get to level 30ish.

>>12835000
That event was chaotic, but chaotic fun and doable for newbie. That was my first ever fully cleared event and I was about admiral level 50. Shiropro event, on the other hand....

Actually, do they ever state that this event is beginner-friendly? If not, that could be just a small part of the reason why this happens.

>>12835007
By doing 4-10, 5-5, 5-10.

>>12835011
... Those maps are farmable?

>>12835015
Perfectly farmable and easy compared to this event anyway lel.

>>12835016
If the devs mend their way and make this game decent, I'll try to get to those maps.

>>12835016
And the setups I mostly used. Would need a couple of good range and speed equip though.

Well seeing most of you guys are jumping on the cheating ship, I assume nobody is interested in a guide to farm E10?

>>12835051
Well I haven't yet, mind sharing?
though I don't have Odawara.

>>12835051
I would be interested if you have a legitimate and working guide.

I am the same person who translated the E6 clearing guide so the work is not my own.

The picture I posted is a modified version based on that person's preference. Feel free to switch around anything as you try out the compositions.

The original version is this on nico: sm25206725

It should be fairly obvious what is used to replace what. The hard requirement seems to be Sendai, Nagoya, Marugame so compared to most setups, this isn't that bad.

I will translate his post if you guys are still not clear on what to do. Video is usually better anyway because it is difficult to explain the timing on skill usage with words.

>>12835031
Thanks anon, I'll save this just in case

>>12835051
Nope, sorry no tottori at all

Level 95 here, just saying

>>12835096
I wonder who I could replace Naka chang with, just slap a 50 def horse on Utoko or something.
But first I need to get my ass over E9, haven't attempted it again since my first blind run.

>>12835096
Looks like I'm lucky enough to have all the requirements for this strategy, but I don't know if I should even care with how things are right now.

>>12835176
That's some weirdass luck there, I think I got at least 3 just yesterday from doing 8/8/8/8 and variations like 8/6/7/8 with first builder

>>12835202
Well I don't really do those recipes much either, have to 57103 for nakachang or sendai

8888 just gives me the 5 hour holos that I have. Mountain expedition is being silly obviously

>>12835204
>8888 just gives me the 5 hour holos that I have
Oh yeah, wanna trade?
I haven't had a 5 hour timer in ages, not even a dupe.

>>12835208
I'll trade you a spare marugame if you want

2 spare takamatsus, 3 rais, 2 hats 1 yanagi too

>>12835212
Just Odawara and Shuri would be fine

Still no news from kusofox today.

>>12835228
Nevermind, no good news
https://twitter.com/ShiroPro_STAFF/status/548422544353538048

If they're going to suggest more cash shop items...

>>12835246
It was never the cash shop items in the first place

5-10 dollars spent is pretty much nothing unless you're some damn kid without a credit card

It's the damn 50x E10 quest that rustles people to hell and back

Let's be honest here, if E10 final was the end of it, and subsequent runs dropped silvers/golds I'm pretty sure only the most whiny and entitled would go wild on this

I've been here on the patch day, not one complained or whined and it was all "well we've got 3 weeks to grind/bruteforce to e10"

It was only when we all knew the stupid quest that the game started going downhill. It was 2nd, right behind kancolle for 4 whole days mind you

I've seen OLE being mentioned a couple of times, can I ask what happened with that one? Are the devs of that one the same as ShiroPro?

>>12835360
I don't know about the devs but it also had an unreasonable first event where you needed 99 lvl girls to finish it. And levels there are much stricter than here or kancolle, you get shit accuracy and other debuffs for being lower level than the mobs.
Also, you needed to "capture" the girls which is like crafting here because rares can't be dropped. So good luck getting all of the event girls in a couple of weeks if you are underleveled and have shit crafting luck.
Well I pretty much stopped playing after it. From the tweets about decreasing followers, it doesn't look like it's faring well.

>>12835417
Jesus Christ, what's with these devs and unreasonable first events? Do they take the top ten players who max everything within a few weeks of the game being out as the standard upon which they build these events, or are they just so plain impatient to get some money from the cash shops that they completely fail to showcase the slightest hint of business attitude?

Silver mountain from expedition, oh god yes tott

>eyebrows

I hate this fucking game

>>12835426
After messing around with CE for a bit, I feel like this is how they playtest their events. Japanese devs are usually the complete opposite of western devs, they're stubborn as fuck and won't give in to any of their player base's demands whereas western games get ruined because they listen to the players too much.

I wish more companies took the middle-ground approach.

>>12835434
Are you actually implying that giving out an impossible without paying chain quest reward, as a drop is "not giving in to demands"?

It's a shit solution, but they caved.
Stupidly.

>>12835443
Difficult, unreasonable yes

Impossible, no

Problem right now is actually time.

If they leave this as permanent content then everything is cool. There are already few ways to clear E6 and E10 with fairly reduced costs and reasonable gear/castle requirement. Given enough time(2~3 more months?) Quite a few people can clear it.

But finishing the quest in 2 weeks? I really don't feel like spending that much effort on a browser game.

So no bannings yet?

I'm amused.
This thread shifted from "Burn the fucking devs" to "Praise da haxxorx, fuck da game" and finally "It's hard but doable".

And the devs actually changed nothing.

Am I experiencing Destiny level damage control here? Are we being overrun by marketeers?

>>12835683
Different people have different opinions you melodramatic little shit

>>12835690
Right.
And each group with a different taste wake up and post within the same timeframe.

Right.
Guess there ain't no marketeers, and simply some wikia butthurt.

>>12835701
You really think they would spend money on marketeers.

The reason for the attitude change is fairly simple. At the start everybody thought clearing E10 was something that requires all holo castles and revive crystal with the backup shop item. I was one of them, I barely got passed E10 with Nagoya lived at 200 hp.

Then most people saw the quest and said fuck this, I was one of them too and ignored the game for a few days.

Now there are some videos and guides out that shows that farming E6 and E10 is not only possible, but doable with somewhat acceptable costs.

I still don't know where this cheaters thing come from though. Is like playing a fps and turn on instant kill, what's the point?

>Kancolle still the maximum bullshitter of high difficulty event maps
>praised ad infinitum

>Shiropro, despite being easy as shit when it finally trying to be challenging
>game dead lul better cheat tho

Really?

You guys sound like 2channers making online petitions to mobage when im@s events didn't get them enough SR cards.

>>12835716
Well, the system has a large hole in it, and they are exploiting it on spite.
So far many have done it just to boast on forums and say "FU" to the devs.

On the other hand, such hole shouldn't even exist to begin with, in a game with a real money shop.

If the cheaters are left untouched, not only they'll lose any kind of revenue from the shop, but more easily no one should want to play in an uneven field.

It isn't a question of fun, just a question of exploiting idiots.
Are we playing a Kancolle level game, or are we playing on Kongregate to compare our e-penises with points and ranks?!

>>12835756
I haven't played enough Kancolle to dispute on their difficult, but I can definitely say that this event is a disaster, the cheaters are fucking retarded though.

This event would have been great as a future world, maybe world 7 or something. But I imagine most people thought their first event would be something simply so that everybody can pass through, with maybe something extra for the higher level people. It is Christmas after all.

But nope, not only are the maps incredibly difficult, but you have to waste massive amount of resources and time to get the final reward.

>>12835762
Spiting devs by doing something this is pretty childish. I mean if they do it to show that their programming is retarded, sure. But for this? Come on.

>>12835716
Those videos to farm E-10 with 'somewhat acceptable costs' still require enough holos and holo equip that hardly anyone can do it. And that will never change.
Doing it 50 times will also never change being absolutely retarded.
Getting trolled by drop rates is also another factor.

Thing is, the devs made an event beatable only with pretty much end-game costs in a game intended to be played in the long term. If someone's able to beat this event, how are they going to balance it with the introduction of subsequent worlds? Are World 6 and beyond going to be E-10 over and over again? They put too high a ceiling right at the start, as if they were expecting to cash in on this once and then leave it altogether, because otherwise they'd have to make holos commons and create a higher tier of castles.

Honestly this is just unbalanced as fuck when you think that the game's barely a couple of months old at this point.

>>12835789
Less than a couple. It turned a month old on December 20. So the event went live two days after it turned a month old. It just reinforces the point you made tho.

>>12835789
It opened to everyone on 2014/11/15

>>12835789
And then there'd the bell requirements for the quest. If this quest was in the second event it wouldn't have been nearly as retarded, but right now only very few people had the bells to be able to do 50 times E10 even using one of the more "efficient" strategies.

If this event taught me anything it's that I'm not stopping my mountain expeditions ever.

>>12835801
Was it the 15th? Not the 20th?
Man my memory sucks.
well 5 days make not that much of a difference

>>12835811
That's the date on jp wiki.

Must have exhausted about 70 cornerstones these couple of days and not a single holo, a merry fuck you.

At this point I'm just cheating all day and seeing if I can get away with it
If I can, wow lol

Got mine, 57103 kuroda

Must be the karma for helping some dude above get his yesterday

Now, on to tottori

>>12835891
Get what you want and keep low after that, don't be silly

>>12835918
I can't imagine they won't ban the people cheating so I'm just doing whatever I want for now

>>12835923
You may sneak past if it's not blatant and if you know what you're doing. You're just being silly, but whatever

>>12835928
well infinite HP and infinite skill charge is what I use

I wish we could use the gold stone for equipment.

Guys, why is Sentai cute as fug and why is this event forcing me to remodel her?

>>12835987
She loses dat hnggg.

>>12835987
I know what you mean. I'm trying to get another one so I can keep her in her orange version, she's pretty good for a cheap unit too.

Comparing Kancolle's difficulty to Shiropro's difficult is stupid.

Kancolle gradually increased it's difficulty, through several months giving time for players to build up rare equipment. Not like Shiropro's first event going full blown hardmode requiring both rare equipment and holos .

I joined Kancolle 1 month before the fabled fall 2013 event, the so called hardest event, and I still managed to clear it. And guess what? I didn't need any holos to clear it.

Kancolle's first event had virtually no compass trolling, reasonable enemies and rewards
There was no pay2win bullshit either

>>12836042
Comparing KC's difficulty with Shiropro's is stupid for the exact reason you cleared the fall 2013 event. All levels, equipment and stats do in Kancolle is tip the RNG odds in your favour a little, unlike in Shiropro where it has a real impact on how the battle is going to go.

You shouldn't have expected to clear E10 without any holos or good equipment even if it was more reasonable than it is now.

>>12836042
I was worried from the very start how they were going to balance events due to how it's not so RNG-dependent like Kancolle. In Kancolle it's pretty simple for them to set up an event map that can be beaten X% of the time with a typical fleet. Then everyone who isn't woefully under-prepared eventually beats it by trying enough, as long as they're willing to spend the time on it (the time investment is generally what's made me give up on Kancolle events, the sparkling mechanic is the fucking worst).

But in Shiropro it's generally either you can beat the map or you can't. If the event is too easy, everyone effortlessly clears it as soon as someone comes up with an optimal strategy (and the people with loads of holos clear by bruteforcing even before that). Or they make it too hard and it becomes total bullshit like happened here. It would take some seriously perfect balancing to find the right difficulty, I was thinking they'd really have to come up with new mechanics in order to make things work out.

Of course since it's just the first fucking event, they could have just erred towards making it easier. It really feels like they were going for a cash grab before the game dies; they hadn't even bothered fixing/balancing other basic stuff like how every resource other than gold and keystones is completely worthless.

>>12836057
I have Odawara, Nagoya, Kochiyama, Fukui, Ichijoudani, Marugame, Tsuwano, The four pink sea castles, Idol, 5-8 girl, Tottori and it simply wasn't possible to pass even E-8 because I lacked melee holos like Sawayama, Sendai, Shuri and Odani
And don't give me that shit about craft more. I played my ass off for a month and then I get completely blocked by having shitty crafting luck? Wow, fuck off devs.

www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25213146

Top kek

Does the rarity of the weapon on the head castle matter when crafting? or is it just the type.

Third 5 hour timer and another Shuri, I have 3 fucking shuri but 0 odawara or odani. ;_;

>>12836114
What? Just stick tits and Jojo+Ichijoudani and voila. The 30% defense buff is actually massive. Look up some guides, if you can't pass E10 with that setup then you are pretty shit. I am doing 2 E10 a day to try out my luck and I only use 8 castles. The holos I used are Nagoya, Marugame, Odawara and Sendai. Sendai in this case can be replaced with Ichijoudani + another strong melee castle like Jojo.

>>12836221
I'll believe it when I see it
Not that I actually need to run E-10 anymore

Is there any setup for E9/E10 which don't require Odawara, Idol and holo horses?

>>12836231
Give me a minute then.

Look mate, I am not saying the event is bullshit, because it is. But you should be able to clear E10 easily with what you have.

>>12836233
Idol can be replaced with high lvl tits. Odawara can be replaced with that bird girl + the silver gunner sea castle.

So /jp/ when are cheaters getting banned?

>>12836299
I'm still here and I'm starting to think their security is so bad that they can't even tell
But that just means that the bans will be coming soon since every time I think that I'm wrong so by assuming the opposite this time I will be right

>>12836304
If I was blatant (didn't bother changing back values by end of wave) am I getting b& for sure

>>12836307
I have no idea
With the devs being this incompetent, anything is possible

>>12836315
I guess I'll finish grinding up pre-reg chan then. Here's hoping for the best (or worst depending on how you look at it).

>>12835683
>marketeers
>on a niche board
>on a niche site
>on a thread about a game that gaijins can't access

Yes. Clearly we are the target demographic. They should be spending time and money persuading us to play their games.

Kon. Pic related. It's anon-kun.

>>12836231
Alright, sorry but I had to do something really quick. Here is the team used, Rai is usually reserved for emergencies but I fucked up big time and let tits die during wave 7 due to forgetting to use a skill.

>>12836323
No Takamatsu or Aoba
And that doesn't tell me what equip you have on those girls

>>12836323
Ending screen, if I played correctly then tits would have lived which means I never have to use Rai. Marugame also did not charge up at the start of wave 9 because I placed her a bit later than usual and mobs died a bit too fast which caused Rai to fall. But overall it isn't that bad especially considering I can just take tits to 3-5 or something and heal up which saves me a bell.

>>12836328
Takamatsu can be replaced with that sword wielding tits and the babysitter.

Sendai can be replaced with Jojo and Ichi.

Gear wise, Sendai has 2 fans, tits has +25 def sword from search and a fan, Lady Baba has 2 +9 range horse, although honestly it doesn't matter because you really need her is the the buff. So it can be whatever.

Marugame has +25 def door and +25 def spear from search,

Takamatsu has +9 range horse and the +5 to everything flag. Although you can just stick 2 +7 horses on her and it works fine.

Tottori has the +range bow from search and a +8 horse. Pirate is there in case I fuck up.

Odaware has the +25 and +50 humanoid book from search.

Generally if you are lacking one holo, then you need 2 units to replace it. Sendai isn't actually that needed here as you can see she only lost 2100 hp or so. I'd say Jojo alone can probably be enough.

This is a modified version based on this video.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25206725

I changed around a bit based on what gear and units I have. This works for me as I spend less bells to repairs. Perhaps you will find something better.

>>12836321
wrong file.

Man I don't know, if it's as """easy""" as shown above, wouldn't they have found the method before shit started hitting the fan? Hell I don't think there would have been so much of an uproar if it was so feasible to begin with, it just feels weird.

>>12836345
Sword wielding tits? You mean Oshi? Don't have her either. Kanegasaki has too little HP, seriously.

I was just curious about whether it's actually possible to farm E-10 without horrendous repair costs. Evidently it's not.

Also, Sendai has innately animal affinity, so she gets bonus damage against bears and other animal types(11% at lvl 50) which Ichijoudani doesn't have.. Jojo doesn't have that either and Jojos buff is not that great. Aoba also has 100 def more than Ichijoudani.


Devs fucked up hard

>>12836385
Oshi is a common drop, I must have at least 10 copies that I fed it to others. That's like not having Fusuo in Kancolle, do more searches or something.

As I said before, you use 2 units to replace one. The video I linked used Oshi and Kanegasaki just fine, you switch them out between waves to avoid damage.

11% is also not going to matter when they have that much hp. As I said, if you are not use then use 2.

I usually use 4 bells, Nagoya, Marugame, Odawara and Takamatsu. Sendai fight for 2 rounds before taking a shower, Tits heal up at 3-5 and gets me a bit of stone and gold. Yes farming this shit is a bit costly but you were complaining about the levels be impossible with what you have when I just showed you is possible.

So yes the event is bullshit but they didn't fuck up hard enough that you can't pass it.

Are there safe setups for 3-10? Or some way to quickly farm gold?

>>12836426
I've been running 6 hour lake searches for 10 days non-stop and have no Oshi, Takamatsu or Nojima.
I'm at 23 dupes from 1:30 timers and no Oshi.

>>12836474
Then you have some bad luck, I don't really think people ever complain about not having Oshi drops.

But if you don't have her, use another water unit, doesn't matter which one. The main purpose of Oshi is to have the 10% melee buff from wave 1-3. So if you are forced to use a ranged unit, your three castles in the middle will take a bit more damage which cuts how lenient how much corner you can cut.

If your sole purpose is just to pass E10, then it's not a problem at all.

>>12836485
There is no real purpose here, really
I cheated my way to Kasugayama and if I get banned then thats that, no regrets
Browsergames destroyed so much of my life already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGvSgQTNxdg

E10 is impossible without an army of holos and top tier equipment they said

>>12836674
Say that to lvl 87 no Oshi / Takamatsu and the lvl 92 no Tottori guys

>>12836674
I call fucking hax on those blocking rates
That or god RNG

>>12836674
Is this strategy to rely on blocks and hope they proc enough that your castles don't fall? Seems interesting. I've been holding back and grinding my castles before attempting E-7+

>>12836739
You have to rely on blocks if you want to pass it with weaker units. The 30% melee defense buff is crucial to maintain which is why you see castles like Oshi being used.

>>12836674
only a few said it was impossible without top tier shit. but hoping blocks proc a lot & to clear it 50 times more is another story

>>12836756
Do levels matter for block rate? Looks like a lot of grinding to do, but better than trying to craft holos.

>>12836790
Only defense and the group bonus matters

Any safe grinding maps and setups other than 3-3 and 4-7?

So defense is basically
1 defense = 0,175% blocking according to 2ch
I'll take that at face value for now until the formula is more refined
Fukui with two +50 defense gates and 30% melee bonus would have 78,475% block. The video claimed some 80% block and I have no idea where he gets that from

>>12836674
Finally a comp that I have all of the girls of. But damn those levels, 4 of mine are severely underleveled.

Wow, devs are just getting bullied on twitter right now

>>12837654
What happened? I can't into moonrunes

>>12837654
Oh a new useless tweet
https://twitter.com/ShiroPro_STAFF/status/548756952897949698

>>12837668
> わかったから、謝罪と賠償はよ
KEK

>>12837668
>>12837654
Yup, they are mad at the devs alright.

Cheated my way through the event on another account, Kasugayama drops on the second E-10 clear

wow
Takes me also roughly 1 minute to clear E-10 with these hax

>>12837699
How do I do this exactly? (yes, I'm retarded etc) I wanted to try it on aalt.

>>12837701
20,000 attack
600 range
10,000 AA (enables melee to hit fliers btw)
Highest speed unit (Kanegasaki or some melee)

done

>>12837702
More like I can't find the values I need in CE.

>>12837704
Attack is 8 up from HP
AA is 12 up from HP
Range is 20 up from HP
12 and 20 up means 12 and 20 in decimal, not hex

So apparently time of the day matters when constructing castles http://wikiwiki.jp/shirocolle/?%C3%DB%BE%EB%A5%EC%A5%B7%A5%D4 according to this table. Can someone tell me when I should be crafting for Osaka and Sentai?

Took me 2 hours to get from 1-1 to E-10 and then 5-1 with attack, range and AA hax

This explains how the top ranker have so many points

Are there any maps that drop Nagoya?

>>12838292
No

3-5 stone 4361 kuroda gets her easily

>>12838292
You wish.
4/3/6/1 with 3-5 stone is your best bet.

>>12838301
Easily is too much. I needed like 30+ stones from 3-5 to get her

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25214036

Healbots

And sped up baka-sounds hilarious

>>12838320
chipmunkPro

>>12837708
Did you open every single value in Cheat Engine? How exactly do you find these? I am just really dumb and don't know how to use CE.

nips mad.

I wish this game didn't have such good girls so I wouldn't feel pressured to keep checking to see if the devs have become less retarded or not. That seigi no hiro Kozukata will never be in other video games is the worst.

>>12838584
I know that feel and I hate it

3 days later, 0 bans. Starting to think that devs really don't give a shit any more about the game.

Does Naka-chan retain her self-heal skill upon remodeling?

>>12838715
No

>>12836234>>12836345
Thanks for the tips and video.

Completed E9 with 8 castles.
Decided to use Fukuoka before Noshima and gave her +60 def gun and +9 range horse, because during my last failed attempt Noshima got raped in the middle of 2nd wave and Bird-chan failed to reach the last enemy troll bat on wave 10 and Nagoya was only 300 hp.
Noshima got +12 and +10 speed guns.
Nagoya - +50 and +25 doors.
Sendai - double fox fans.
Takamatsu - double +7 range horses.
Tits - fan and +30 def sword.
Tottori - +10 range bow and +8 range horse.
Rai-chan - double +8 range horses.

Placed Tits for additional AA and planned to replace her with Odani, but her healing is really great thing.
Also planned to replace Sendai/Tits with Magugame for block bonus or AA.
Tottori, Fukuoka and Takamatsu went down almost simultaneously from enemy bat in wave 7, if I remember it correctly.
Sendai (MVP!) withdrew right before last bat on wave 10.

>>12838728
That shit-eating bat is the final boss of E9.

>>12838746
Dat bat-chang tho, what recipe did you use?

>>12838752
6835 kiyomasa, same recipe as Marugame. Enjoy your second, third and fourth Marugame before bat-chan.

>>12838760
Thanks, so far only got multiple Rais from it

>>12838502
I read 2ch and have experience in game hacking

>>12838701
I'm tempted to just start full blown hacking

I'm contemplating making a bunch of accounts, hacking to E-10 and getting Kasugayama and then giving those accounts away

Bullying Senko is funny.
I wish Yakumo had been in charge. The event would have been a blast.

2ch shiropro thread is pretty damn dead

>>12839200
What about Twitter?

>>12839282
The fucking devs are posting "SENKO FUN FACTS" or something dumb like that. Can an anon that can moonrunes please tell us exactly wtf is going on in the twitter? google translate is only giving me a vague idea.

The monhun game is pretty good

You know what, fuck it. I started playing it to date a clock. 80/1500 petals now for her, fuck me

>>12839282
Any kind of "alive" it has is not the kind the devs would want

>>12839288
Last I checked it was loaded with "go die" and "commit seppuku" and the like.

>>12839307
I meant the tweets that the devs are making. Like, have they gone full bonkers?

>>12839311
See >>12839288

>>12839293
How p2w is it, and is it easy to play without knowing moonrunes? Oh, and most important of all, are the girls cute?

>>12839288
KON! DAILY FOX FACT FOX LIKES IT WHEN YOU THROW MONEY IN HER FACE

>>12839293
Which one was it again? Kanpani?

>>12839327
No, MonHun is Monhun, Kanipani is Kanipani

At least I am pretty sure about this

>>12839316
>>12839311 here. I was the anon that posted >>12839288 in the first place. I guess my suspicions were true and the devs have gone full bonkers.

How does one make Sendai appear

>>12839490
You need pureness in your heart and courage in your soul, anon-kun.

>>12839493
I have those things a plenty, but I have no luck with all 8 standard and never got her in 4663 kiyomasa either

>>12839501
clearly you don't have enough. Have you tried buying revive crystals though? I hear they help.

Kon.

>>12839515
Don't you FUCK with me fox.

>>12839515
That's not funny anon

I fed E-3 reward girl to another girl by accident because I'm a dumbass that didn't lock her as soon as I got her

Does she drop from any of the event maps? Please tell me she does

>>12839530
ok ill tell you, she does drop elsewhere

>>12839530
In 6 months, if the game is still alive then
She was a self-healing gunner, too

>>12839530
Have you tried buying revive crystals?

>>12839543
I prefer anti-rape horses :^)

>>12839530
Try Revive Crystals.

>>12839490
I quit kantai and I believe in jp-magics

If I spam 8888 enough, will it really give me Sentai? I've spammed it and 4663 for Sentai and Osaka for days.

Been attempting 6835, still no Marugame nor bat-chang, help

>>12839991
Average is 50 tries for one

The droprate for 3-5 stones is terrible holy shit.

>>12839968
For me it was at level 17 didn't spam alot all 8 but I guess It's the best right now.

>>12839318
>>12839327
It's gotten pretty good reviews, and as far as I know it doesn't seem p2w

I'm just a fucking pig that wants best girl though, so take of it what you will

So how rare is tubeloli? I got her on my first clear of 5-8. Is that how it's supposed to be?

>>12840531
Took me upwards of 30 runs for one

>>12840432
I'm tempted to play to get her too, how hard would it be to get her just starting out now?

Also looked around DMM and saw this:
www.dmm.com/netgame/feature/shinken.html

Not sure what to think of it. Pre-register is up so I just signed up for the sake of it.

>>12840554
So is the game out? I registered for this and all I got was a a screen with a bunch of moonrunes and 2 girls.

>>12840566
I just said pre-register is up, Thought that would imply that it's not out yet. So no, it's not out yet.

>>12840554
You get to her first mission at level 5, that's 1-2 hours after starting

Each clear at low-level mission gives 10 petals, medium gives 20, advanced gives 30 petals

1500 for her

I'm around 120 now in half a day. Probably will get her at a faster rateonce I unlock medium missions

Have untill Jan 22 for her

Level 1 to level 24 in 1 battle
1 to 32 in 2 battles
hilarious

>>12840641
What did you do

>>12840432
Is there any wiki for it? I have no idea how the battle works.

>>12840850
Colors shown are when the enemy hits, and who it hits red arrow means first character is getting hit etc.

Basic ATB stuff, experiment and you'll get it

>>12840858
And the "break" thing?

>>12840866
Hit it fast enough and with the right skills and you'll get a bonus drop at the end

Bonus drop has red-runes

>>12840872
Thanks

So we switch thread to other game now?

>>12840890
Yes
Dead fox, dead hometown.

>>12840895
What game next? Kanpani looks alright.

Found the value for attack speed. It's hilarious as fuck to give someone like Kochi 100 attack speed
It looks like a gatling gun if you do stuff like 200 speed

>>12840911
Kanpani or Monhun or wait for the new hotness to come out >>12840554

I am so close to cracking how exactly attack speed is calculated
For now, preliminary founds show this: More speed = smaller countdown. Contrary to what you would expect, a higher speed value results in a lower countdown value. For example, Naeki with 69 speed has a countdown of 153.
64 speed means 168 countdown
59 speed means 183 countdown (untested if this progression beyond this remains linear or not)
So for now, one speed equals 3 countdown
Kanegasaki with 2 fox blades would have 48 countdown

Countdown is handled that each time it hits 0, an attack launched. Countdown decreases constantly during play and while I lack the equipment to properly record how fast it decreases, it appears to tick every 30 frames and go down by 25 but this might very well be lag and it's simply 1 countdown for 1 frame. I tested this in standard speed mode and I assume it runs at 30 fps standard. Countdown can be slowed down into smaller ticks by repeatedly pressing pause but that actually seems to slow down attacking on a microscopic level.

Countdown overlap (lets say, 11 remain on countdown after a tick, next tick is 25, that would overflow with 14. Those 14 are deducted from the next countdown start (which, for example, with a 59 speed Naeki would be 183 - 14 = 169 and ticking down from there)
This, in essence, means that 10 speed mean 1 more attack per 30 frames constant. If the game runs constant at 30 fps, 10 speed is actually +1 attack per second, which is huge.

Tests and formula by Senko (Me. Not from twitter)

I'll update this as I run more tests

that new game called shinken has an obese girl in it, not sure if she's the only one though

>>12840995
Update on speed:
0 speed would be a countdown of 360
To achieve instant attack, one attack per frame (30 attacks per second), one needs therefore 120 speed (which I am fairly sure, will never, ever, be possible. Kanegasaki has 104 speed with two +5 speed items, making her the fastest girl in ShiroPro)
100 speed, a countdown of 60, is precisely 0,5 attacks per second under normal speed (30 fps) (speed up drastically changes the FPS and varies a lot between PCs so of course I am using the standard speed formula here)
90 speed is a countdown of 90, so 1 attack every 3 seconds (30 fps)
It goes down by 1 second for every 10 speed, so 29 speed, or 30 speed, would be one attack every 9 seconds (30 fps)

At some speed values, there is a discrepancy of 1 (One) countdown frame. Such as 104 speed being 47 frames and not 48 frames as it should be.


Bottom line is, the higher attack is, the more overpowered speed becomes. As we go to lower and lower speeds, at some point, attack eventually becomes more important than speed due to range limitations. I'll leave other people to calculate precisely where these cut-off points are. I hate math.

>>12841070
disgusting as fuck

>>12841070
No

>>12841094
So fat

>>12841094
That's a good kind of fat


On topic, does anyone know where in memory, relative to current HP of a girl, their defense, crit or skill is stored?

>>12841070
That's fine I guess, at least they give some thought to people with that kind of fetish as well.

>>12841094
yall blind as a bat or what?
believe me, you havent seen the fat one yet

feast your eyes on what i meant by fat

>>12841094
damn it upload wasnt fast enough
here it is! FATTIE

>>12841178
That was a joke reply to
>not sure if she's the only one though

>>12841196
that's a good kind of fat as one anon said. but not this one

I like some of the girls already

>>12841206
They sure do have quite a variety of girls in there. Now if there are older type of girls as well, they are all set for all kinds of girl. (minus the lewd ones)

>>12841218
Yeah, well I'm sure there will be plenty more girls.

It's too bad there is no game with good gameplay, good art and R-18. It's always "choose two out of three" condition.

Nope, nothing new
https://twitter.com/ShiroPro_STAFF/status/549132471749443584

>>12841259
Sengoku rance and rance quest

>>12841260
They lost over 300 followers in one day already

>>12841259
More like pick one.

I'm playing monhun with shirocolle on the side

Monhun has a fatigue meter(which can be refilled) but I'm taking it easy there farming for best clock

Farm 1-5/3-5/3-3 on the alt-tab

You don't really need to dramatic and "quit" stuff you know

>>12841259
if they happen to make all three happen, it will top kancolle in a heartbeat

>>12841325
R-18 is not needed but Kancolle has truly atrocious gameplay

>>12841328
hey, sex sells, or close to it, in case you didnt know. sales booster ftw

>>12841343
Muh pure waifoos though

>>12841260
lel they deleted the replies again.

>>12841399
I didn't know you could delete other people's tweets in some way

>>12841429
They hid them then? fuck if I know since I don't use twitter to funblog.

>>12840995
>>12841073
If that's true, then it's no wonder why there's a fuckton of difference between 100 speed and 90 speed.

>>12841464
There is no "If" about it
It's fact. Numbers don't lie
10 speed is one extra attack per second

Queen. Of. Blocking.

So E10 got easy on Tottori, but REALLY tough with my melees. Many thanks to Nagoya-sama, now I finally have a tanned girl. Musashi and Shuri are too hard to get. In RNG sence.

>>12841507
>Let's go justinnn

>>12841073
Just to note, there's a +6 Speed +4 Cooperation horse (pictured here), which would add 2 points to the maximum Speed and not be limited to Sword units (unlike the fans).

>>12841632
That caps speed at 106 points
The missing range makes it, in most cases, not as good as fox fans tho. Spears have +8 speed versions, guns have +12 speed, bows have also higher variants

A good equip anyway, I just have never crafted one

>>12841698
Yeah, the lack of range makes this one much more useful for long ranged units and nearly useless for short-ranged swords (unless one can stack Defense buffs, but that'd still take away some real damage potential from the lack of range, in which case fans would be a lot better). I had never seen it mentioned so apparently it's super rare or something?

>>12841264
Fair point, I forgot to say that it should be online.

>>12841275
Nah, I know Pero Pero Saimin has nice art and it's R-18, but dem gameplay though....

im starting to wonder what the devs are actually thinking

>>12842740
Money kon

>>12842778
They're not making any money off this anymore
Why buy stuff if you can just infinite hp / atk / aa / range / speed / block your way to victory

>>12842809
Why would you do this though.

I can understand if people cheat for the poster girl because is bullshit tier difficulty to get her. But if you are going to hack that much then you might as well make a button that says "I Win" and press it over and over again.

What's the point?

>>12842843
If you don't see the point by yourself, no amount of explanation will convey the point the people see who do this.
In essence, I expect they fix this eventually and until then it's milking it for all it's worth. Not like anyone here will actually be able to prove you cheated, at the end.
And Kancolle threads pretty much prove that it's all about epeen in the end

I don't like Monhun's energy system. I guess it's fine for now since I can just play other games while waiting for it, but regen is too slow for my liking.

More bullying

So Fukui without equip has 411 attack
Using her buff, she gets 600 attack
so she gets 189 attack, which is like a 46% buff
I wonder if I should record the actual percentages for all levels of buffs

>>12842979
Please do.

>>12842987
I'll need to actually look up a skill list for small, medium and so forth buff power

Could someone provide a sample castle with each level? I'll record the percentage increase then

This is who I am going to test for the levels:
Attack power:
Small - Wakimotoshiro
Medium - Shimabara
Large - Fukui(45%) / Morioka
Ultra - Taihouji
Transcendend - Mito

And these for range
Small - Saika
Medium - Utsunomiya
Large - Yamagata
Ultra - Paintbrush girl
Transcendend - None exist

>>12843009
I remember reading that the actual boosts are different for each castle even if they have the same skill strength.
Quickest example I can think of right now would be Uto and Ishiyama Gobo. Ishiyama's heal is 38% of her max hp, while Uto's heal should be 42% of her max hp, even though both of them have the same description. Have fun testing out every single castle.

>>12843053
There aren't actually that many castles with attack and range buffs. Testing them all would make take 2-3 hours tops

And then nobody will give a shit about the percentages

>>12843053
Fukui gets 189 from 411 and Morioka gets 140 from 313 which is both up/down rounding margin to 45% so those two are definitely the same
If others are the same too, you read wrong

>>12843117
Guess I'll quickly do 3-5 and double check Uto's heal.