/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Noble Works - 28,033 / 57,690 (48.6%) lines translated, partial patch released
Oreimo PSP - 100% translated, 239/299 through TLC+Editing, 217/299 scripts finalized, Kirino + Ayase partial patch released
Oreimo Tsuzuku - 199/268 scripts translated, 78/268 through TLC+Editing, 66/268 scripts finalized
Princess Maker 5- 86.06% lines translated, 32.91% of lines finalized
Rance 5D - 40% translated
Rance 6 - 10% translated
>Rance Quest - 17.79% messages and 87.51% strings translated
Rewrite Harvest Festa - 5155/30040 (17.16%) lines translated
Rose Guns Days 3 - 60% translated and edited
SakuSaku - Common route + Konami route fully translated, 24523/49257 (50%) lines translated, 15993/49257 (32%) lines finalized
Sanarara R - 13/124 scripts translated
Sayonara wo Oshiete - 4269/14309 (29.8%) lines translated
Sonicomi - 984/18196 (5.2%) lines translated
SonoHana 10 - Being translated
SonoHana 11 - Being translated
SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 48564/53520 (90.7%) lines translated and 40597/53520 (75.9%) lines edited
Supreme Candy - ~14573/43261 (~33.7%) lines translated
Tasogaredoki no Kyoukaisen - 100% translated, in editing
To Heart2- 67% translated- "The final product is still years away unless I get more help. ", new alpha patch released
>Witch's Garden - 16097/67201 (23.95%) lines translated
White Album 2 - Opening chapter fully translated with a "rough patch", Closing Chapter: 3038/35275 (8.61%) lines translated
Yosuga no Sora - Translation status is Common route 100%, Sora route 100%, Nao 72.67%, Kazuha 100%, Akira 84.64%, Motoka 30.67%, Common and Kazuha fully edited

Official work

MangaGamer
Space Pirate Sara - December 26th release
>Eden - In beta
No Thank You - In Beta, demo released
Princess Evangile - In beta
Yome no Imouto to no Inai - Through Beta
>Kara no Shoujo 2 - 55% translated, 22.1% edited
Bokuten - 44.9% translated, 10.1% edited
Da Capo 3 - Prologue + Ch. 0 complete, Common route 50.1% translated, overall 29.6%
Higurashi (retranslation) - 14.5% of Watanagashi TL, Onikakushi editing finished
>Gahkthun - 57% translated, 18.9% edited
OZMAFIA - Main route: 85.3% translated, overall 12.2% translated
Euphoria - 58.9% translated, 5.3% edited
>House in Fata Morgana - Demo 84.4% translated, full game 24% translated
Free Friends - Fully translated and edited
Free Friends 2 - 16% translated, 16% edited
Supipara - Intend to fund through Eden's sales

JAST
>Romanesque - December 16th release
>Hanachirasu - Feb 10th release
>Starless - March 10th release
Django - Couple more months of translation
Sumaga- Fully translated, in editing
Seinarukana- Mostly translated
Trample on Schatten- translation about half done
Shiny Days - Translation finished
Raidy III - TL finished, in insertion
Sweet Home - In translation
Sumeragi Ryoko - Picked up

Sekai Project
World End Economica- Chapter 2 by end of year
Fault -milestone one- - end of the year release
Grisaia trilogy - Kickstarter planned
Clannad - Ongoing Kickstarter
>WAS Lepidoptera no Sunadokey - Kickstarter finished
Nekopara - 18+ release through developer + all ages release by Sekai, demo released


Other
Moenovel is working on another title
Eiyuu Senki - PS3 version picked up
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
Work being done on a fanTL of Shin Koihime with hopes of getting it licensed
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

The best thread of the week is finally here.

All three DotKare games will be released by the end of December.

>>12770673
I pre-ordered Hanachirasu in July 2013, and it is finally going to come out. Sweet!

>Romanesque - December 16th release

Why isn't there any publicity for this?

Friendly reminder that JAST is censoring Starless.

Hey JAST, please enable anonymous questions on your tumblr blog because as it stands you need a tumblr account to ask you guys questions.

3 JAST titles are green? Am I dreaming?

>>12770735
Creating a tumblr account is so quick and easy that if you can't be assed to make one before sending your ask then you have no right to be asking questions.

>>12770724
>nukige

Who gives a fuck?

>>12770781

Sumaga might finally come out after all these years?

Witch's Garden prologue patch.

http://wgtranslations.wordpress.com/2014/12/03/prologue-patch-released/

>>12770679
>>Starless - March 10th release
FUCK YEA-

>>12770724
>censoring Starless.

Why?

>>12770810
Since you believe everything you read on the internet, I'm sorry to inform you that the Starless release just got canceled and they threw out their translation.

>>12770795
You don't need an account for Sekai Project.

>>12770818
>Since you believe everything you read on the internet,
>Since you believe official statements from JAST themselves,

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=631719

Herkz is an ass.

>>12770826
Yeah, and Sekai Project's translations are shit, so there's the tradeoff. Get a tumblr account or you support shit translations.

>>12770818
>>12770832

>>12770832
Complete and utter bullshit.

Amairo Islenauts, everyone.

>>12770910
Check their tumblr account.

What about Majikoi?

>>12770908
Looks true.

http://jastusa.tumblr.com/post/104468063735/starless-available-for-preorder

>>12770969
I wanna fug a Wanko.

>>12770706
Why would there be? It hasn't even been the OP image in the last year and a half. Not when you can advertise that some Fuwanovel piece of shit reached 15% and released an unintelligible guesslation.

>>12770818
>>12770981
Now, don't you look foolish.

>>12770988
You can find one in the nearest pet shop.

>>12770818
>>12770910

>>12770981

>>12770922
Did they just practically admit to using MTL?

>>12770810
>Why?

Probably the dogs.

Frankly I'm more surprised that apparently LWR was apparently fine for them, considering their history.

>>12770807
So, how bad is it?

>>12770922
Seems legit.

We all knew Starless wouldn't get released uncensored. That would be too compotent for JAST.

>>12770981
This is a fucking disgrace.

>>12770969
>Miyako route: 100%, 0% QC.

Maybe there will be patch at the end of the year. Maybe. Expect fuwanovel quality.

>Princess Maker 5- 86.06% lines translated, 32.91% of lines finalized
>Sayonara wo Oshiete - 4269/14309 (29.8%) lines translated
>SubaHibi - Down the Rabbit Hole I patch released, 48564/53520 (90.7%) lines translated and 40597/53520 (75.9%) lines edited

Waiting warmly.

>>12771142
Almost died of the moe. Translation seems ok.

>>12771205

Seems like JAST will also be releasing some kind of patch that will restore Starless' cut content. It's a messy situation and I'm guessing they're doing it to try to get around some legal gray areas.

>>12771390
That better be fucking true.

>>12770892
Ugh, what a prick. Meanwhile all the translations he's supposed to be butche... sorry, "editing" are going untouched.

>>12771212
How can fan translators fuck up in this kind of shit? Jesus.

>>12771212
When the sample you use to show that something seems okay contains multiple basic obvious errors, it's not okay.

>>12771723
So it's better to show off one perfect translated line? That's just manipulation. I never said that translation is perfect, I only wrote that is "seems ok". Judge for yourself.

>>12771489
Yeah, Herkz has time to shitpost on places like Nyaa but apparently doesn't have the time to learn any Japanese so he can at least attempt to be a competent editor. So it figures that he doesn't want to do any work, because at least he has the grace not to further drag those translations through the mud.

>>12771755
If you can't find five lines in a row without problems, all you're showing us is that your version of "seems okay" would get a C- if turned in by a third grader.

>>12771836
>>12771723
Weekly reminder that this is considered terrible translation on here.

>>12771094
No, they're saying they won't accept MTL.

>>12771390
Sounds unlikely. Will assume false unless proof is presented.

>>12771892
That line or any debate over the metaphor has nothing to do with clear and present errors.

They said they prefer something better than machine translation, not that it was unacceptable. How would they even know with their obvious deficiencies in English.

Jast has already confirmed on Twitter that they're releasing a patch alongside it to restore that content. Multiple times.
https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/541549160671899648
https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/541549651485147137

You're illiterate.

Can someone reupload the patch for Daito? I can't seem to get the one on the site to work.

>>12771892
>50% of lines are wrong
>NEED I REMIND YOU OF THAT ONE TIME ONE PERSON TOOK ISSUE WITH THE WORDING OF ONE LINE AND I DISAGREE WITH IT

>>12771936
You'll notice that nobody's even brought up what the errors are, because their aren't any.

>>12772064
Ti9, it makes me sad that you've gone from shitposting like this over bad translations to shitposting over English errors. Do you have any standards at all?

>>12771892
It just looks bad out of context. Once I got to that part in the game, it actually flowed nicely with the other text.

>>12771936
Good, then.

No tweets to post. I don't know what to do. Fuck Insem.

>>12772152
>Fuck Insem.
There's your answer.

>>12772067

It looks perfectly fine out of context too; people bitching about it are either autists who can't handle something breaking their pattern or ELSs who are trying to be smug faggots but don't understand the language well enough to know a perfectly good metaphor when they see one. Or maybe an troll, you can never bee too sure nowadays.

>>12772353
As one, you'd know.

>>12772353
>an troll
>bee
>missing punctuation
>ELSs
Who's the ESL here?

>>12772362

Stay classy dude, such high-tier bait. Hook, line, and sinker.

>>12772371
You know, if you took it, it worked.

>>12772372

Did I though? That's a no. But as long as you feel good about yourself, that's what matters. Stay thirsty my friends.

>>12770706

>>12770724
Why this vn have such a good rating on vndb ? I know untranslated vn have usually better ratting but 25 10 for 96 votes ?? It's just a nukige.

>>12772434

there are few Vns that cator to those needs quite as well as STARLESS.

the low ratings are for those who didn't do their research before going in thinking it was a standard milf eroge.

>>12772434
Same reason things like hard scat torture rape nukige have weirdly high ratings on EGS. The only people who would even think of playing them are the people who are really into hard scat torture rape. Self-selecting the audience has a major effect on the audience.

>>12772434
>>12772441
It's also that the audience is a bunch of Hongfire twats like our milf autist. Go ahead on a journey through the votes of the people who gave it 9s and 10s and see what else they've rated like that.

>>12772441
See: The entire Venus Blood series.

>>12772362
>>12772366
Doesn't make him any less correct.

>>12772529
But Venus Blood has a pretty cool story.

>>12772539
That's right. Hypocrisy only makes your accusations stronger.

>>12772560
Yep. Just like Euphoria.

>>12772565
The line is still correct whether he's an ESL or not.
That was my whole point.

>>12772529
VB is known for its gameplay. Also, it has better writing than most story-heavy moege, so its not something you should compare to shit like Starless.

>>12772684
>story-heavy moege

Are those like U15 nukige? Well-made kusoge?

If it's story-heavy, it's not a moege

>>12772698
>If it's story-heavy, it's not a moege
It must be hard to live in black-and-white-only world, eh?
Moege are different. Some have zero story, some have more story than average of same genre.

>>12772868
What do you think a moege is?

Help me to understand your ignorance.

>>12770673
Since Blick Winkel and Reading Steiner are working on a translation of it, should Chaos;Head Noah be added to this? You can see their progress through the script files on Winkel's blog here, up where it says [REDACTED]: http://a.lemnis.ca

Currently, they are at 85+5/321 script files translated. I assume that those 5 script files added on are in editing or something.

>>12772886
Lover Able is moege, has zero story.
Sekai Sukuu Dake is moege, and has some story.
Nanatsuiro Drops is moege and has even more story.
Nanairo Reincarnation is moege, and is further level above on story.

Clearly you don't know anything about actual VNs out there.

>>12772935
I thought they were doing 12riven

>>12772938
>Nanatsuiro Drops
>Nanairo Reincarnation
>story

You've got to be joking. Did you just pull random names out of a hat?

>>12772938
Why are you expecting filthy EOP scum to know what moege is? Also, how the fuck Nanarin is considered moege?

>>12772935
>Reading Steiner

Remember that time he had a meltdown, claimed to have severe brain damage, and couldn't be held accountable for any bad translations he made because he doesn't remember making them?

>>12772946
No, the two of them are doing Noah now. Winkel is also part of another group that's doing 12riven now.

Get the popcorn guys
http://steamcommunity.com/app/310360/discussions/0/624076851143528555/

On Higurashi topic, I think MG should translate the episodes names. Leaving them as "Onikakushi" and so on isn't clear to those who don't know jap. Also, the cover could be... maybe more sinister?

>>12773008
That's why they should've ignored tumblrtards entirely from the start. Any attention to them just motivates them to act more retarded.

>>12772958
I haven't read Nanarin, but Nanatsuiro Drops very definitely has a story, and to say otherwise is retarded. It's obvious you haven't read it.

絵柄が萌えるヒロインが盛りだくさんな作品だから「萌えゲー」というのか、萌え転がるヒロインのシナリオやヒロイン属性がツボにはまりまくりな作品だから「萌えゲー」なのか、とかく「萌えゲー」といわれる割にはその基準は結構プレイする人それぞれで様々だったりします。

But in common usage at this point, it really just means any game with females, in case you forgot that Venus Blood has multiple Moege Awards.

So take your pic. Either the core aspect of it is moe, not story, characters, plot, etc, or the word encompasses everything but yaoi and so is meaningless.

>>12772560
Starless too.

>>12772958
Are you retarded? Unison Shift Blossom games have stories usually.

>>12772958
EOP aren't you ?

>>12773041
>>12773053
Kurukuru has gameplay, but it's retarded to say that it's a gameplay game. Parfait has drama, but it's retarded to say that it's a nakige. Kamikaze Explorers has action, but it's retarded to call it an action game.

It exists is not the same as is the primary focus, or in some of these examples, is even more than an afterthought taking up a fraction of a percentage of the time spent on everything besides it.

>>12773067
> Kurukuru has gameplay, but it's retarded to say that it's a gameplay game
That's exactly what we are telling you, retard.
Moege can have varying degree of story, but its retarded to claim "If it's story-heavy, it's not a moege". If focus is on heroines, its still moege.

>>12773081
Something can be the integral focus of the work, but not so much that something else else isn't more integral.

Uh huh.

>>12773098
"Story-heavy" doesn't have to be a single objective bar that remains the same across all genres. It is a term that can be used in a comparative manner. A moege that has more story than most moege is a story-heavy moege, even if it doesn't have as much story as typical plot-focused games.

>>12772935
But Noah was never released on PC.

>>12773098
I wish average EOPs are not qs dumb as you.

These anti-Starless/nukige types scare me...

>>12770826

Or MG or most companies on tumblr really.

No one cares about Kyoudai Hiai. Crack never.

>>12773336
Its only 14$. Even african peasant could afford it.

>>12773350
When you spend money, you lose.

>>12773350
I would rather spend the little money I have on food.

>>12772886
Moege is a dumb term used by people who are actually stupid enough to think moe is a genre and not a trait present in all things.

>>12773008
There's no good translation for the episode names that maintains the clever wordplay, so it's okay. Not like these casuals even care what it means. The people to whom it is important, like me, already know.

>>12772353

I don't take issue with the metaphor; I take issue with the wording the translator used. It reads like they translated word for word from the Japanese. Instead of "and the fence is frighteningly low", something like "and the fence between them is frighteningly low" sounds a lot better, keeps the meaning, and makes it easy for the reader to understand.

>>12773125
You're right, but they are translating it. They haven't said what it's gonna be for though. It may be iOS/Android or for PSP, which can then be played with an emulator.

>>12773111
>"Story-heavy" doesn't have to be a single objective bar that remains the same across all genres
This may be the stupidest fucking thing you've said yet.

>>12773438
There is no clever wordplay.

>>12773551
Yeah there's definitely something wrong with the way it flows. The conflicting tenses don't help either. You can do that in Japanese but usually not in English.

>>12773551
>>12773607


Both sentences are in the same tense, present (look up 'present perfect' if you think 'knew' is past, the speaker did not suddenly stop knowing the information). The omission of the already implied 'between them' (or similar phrasing) is also fairly standard practice in English, as in most languages when something is obvious it doesn't need to be restated (and omitting doesn't remove any context because it's already clear that they're talking about the barriers between high society and the criminal underworld in a fence metaphor).
Also don't forget character constraints. Adding 'between them' would have run that sentence off the page, and depending on what engine Cannonball uses it may not have been easy for them to add a line.

But if a reader honestly can't easily understand this they need to work on their English, because this is the type of metaphor and phrasing that one would find in a wide variety of English texts. It certainly doesn't read as if it's a straight 1:1 translation, although the metaphor itself would be fine in either language.

>>12773430
A movie might have humor in it but that doesn't make it a comedy.

>>12774309
The same can be said for both sides of the argument. A moege can have some story, and a story-focused game can have some moe. This is such an incredibly simple, common-sense concept that I'm not surprised there's a debate about it here.

So apparently Doorvac is backpedaling on 18+ Grisaia once again. Surprise, surprise.

>>12774396
These news of censoring (like Starless just now) also makes me feel really bad.

I feel the anti-ero scene guys are winning bits by bits.

>>12774396
Nothing in the new Grisaia kickstarter page on an uncut release.

koestl: i'm pretty convinced it will fail at this point
koestl: but we'll see i guess
Moogy: of course i don't exactly approve of releasing something written by fujisaki as an all-ages game but grisaia more or less works as one
herkz: it's not caring about porn
Moogy: outside of the horrible censorship of angelic howl in the vita version which hopefully won't be present here
herkz: it's caring about being lied to
herkz: also the random ass price hike
Kaisos: Yeah, /jp/ in particular will go nuts over being lied to
Moogy: well at least it's before the kickstarter was launched
koestl: I will remove text censorship where possible but reverting voice acting / cut scenes might be legally tricky
Moogy: not like they changed it after they had pledges
Moogy: ...if there are scenes cut from angelic howl i'm afraid i can't pledge
Moogy: sorry

dovac, see what you did? Even your loyal buddies at #tlwiki disapprove.

rip in pepperonis

>>12774406
See koestl's and dovac's twitters.

>>12774237
>look up 'present perfect' if you think 'knew' is past
Looked it up. Says "knew" is past tense and "have known" is present perfect.

>>12774396
According to Koestl, Frontwing does not want the 18+ version associated with the kickstarter. Maybe they're worried kickstarter won't allow them to use their service to fund a product with porn in it. Who knows. I never really cared about the porn anyways, so no loss for me.

What I am concerned about is the goals have been increased by $40k. I was hoping they would get ChiruChiru but 200k is asking a lot. This isn't as beloved as Clannad. Especially since I imagine people are going to be upset about the lack of +18.

>>12774415
Two problems for funding is the VN probably got mid 5 digit downloads so plenty of people will know it is censored, and the anime turned into a disaster.

>>12774415
Yeah. Anything is possible, but I'm thinking this kills the chances of Chiruchiru Michiru for now unless something surprising happens.

>>12774408
What happened to the log?

>>12774409
Tell Frontwing that the West will make an 18+ patch unofficially, cutting out a potential future release, and this only kills Kickstarter funding.

Dovac is so incompetent. He claims that things change all the time, but maybe if he didn't run his mouth off all the time he wouldn't keep having to go back on his word.

What a foolish man. Less is definitely more.

>>12774424
It's an anime adaptation of a VN, I'm not sure who would expect it to not be shit. That said, this is likely incredibly stupid from a business standpoint and can only serve to severely hurt the amount of funding they could've gotten.

>>12774415
>Maybe they're worried kickstarter won't allow them to use their service to fund a product with porn in it.
Isn't this true though? Maybe Sekai should've thought of this before putting all their eggs in the KS basket?

I'm really laughing at Sekai fucking up again. They really can't do anything right.

>>12774435
Well, the common route episodes were decent enough.

I believe them when they say Frontwing nixed kickstarting the 18+ version but I want to know why the goals were raised by $40,000.

>>12774435
The problem is that those who know it from the VN know that Sekai Project is censoring it, while by bad luck for Sekai Project those who know it from the anime got a rather poor advertisement.

>>12774440
Because Dovac thinks he can get away with it.

>>12774440
Probably because Frontwing saw the Clannad numbers and thinks they can get away with it.

>>12774440
Maybe censoring something for no real reason is worth $40,000? Must be another great mystery in the world.

Thats why professionals like MangaGamer and JAST keep everything secret until all documents are signed.
dovac rushed to announce Grisaia before working out details and now made a fool out of himself and possibly ruined series for good.

>>12774456
>Thats why professionals like MangaGamer and JAST keep everything secret until all documents are signed.

This.

Although I think JAST's problem right now is that they're being too secretive. LWR is being released next week and I don't think anyone really knows about it. But I got to hand it to MG, they've really cleaned up their act in recent years.

>>12774436
I'm mostly just speculating but logically this seems to be the possible reason. They never said anything about not licensing just not involved it with the kickstarter. Add to the fact that the wording changed between the first iteration of the prefundia page and the second with them removing all explicit mention of 18+ and referring to that version as the "original PC" version

Apparently it was bullshit that the Vita release had no problems as an all ages title, Angelic Howl was censored in parts.

It might still reach it's goal, but the lack of an uncut version will certainty diminish the final amount the kickstarter raises

>>12774469
References to cannibalism were removed in the all ages Angelic Howl, as well as a few of the squeamish bits toned down.

>>12774495
How about the 2nd and 3rd games, will they need stuff toned down besides the H-scenes as well?

>>12774469
That's not unusual for games with "edgy" content in them. Like, Eustia's Vita release censors a ton of shit besides the ero, to the point that some stuff straight up doesn't make sense anymore. Better hope Dovac doesn't get his hands on that one!

>>12774237
It's a shoddy metaphor because unless you're talking about military compounds, which this is obviously not, fences are used for boundaries, not barriers. Nobody's ever had any significant degree of difficulty getting around or over a fence, short or tall. It's obviously understandable, but fence is a really shitty choice of word there when it's a very obvious and easy concept.

>>12774456
I don't mind them being open despite the fact that I don't like these changes. It allows for fan feedback before the kickstarter launches. The only thing I can hope now is that they hold a Q&A before launching the kickstarter to answer questions that I'm sure people will have.

Whats taking Rance 8 so long?

>>12774509
It's a long game and the translator is also doing work for MangaGamer.

>>12774500
DS's PS2 version was hardly censored at all. Sure, the fucking was replaced or faded to black, but it was still obviously there.

Tears to Tiara's PS2 version added a tentacle scene.

The glory days are gone.

>>12774519
Rance 8 is also a pretty awful game.

No comment on Magnum.

Having to suffer through Rance 8 drops it at least 10-15 points anyway.

>>12774469
Yes, there are some really dumb changes to random text in the JP Vita version, and euphemistic language.

But for the purposes of this localization I would revert those changes as much as possible. As far as I'm concerned it should be the 18+ game without porn and some new CGs added.

>>12774440
It's like all parties involved with this kickstarter want it to do as poorly as possible. What the hell Sekai Project, Frontwing?

>>12774526
Is the 18+ version still coming down the road probable bullshit, or is that built on a solid foundation?

>>12774528
It's a common theme.
>>12774465

>>12774526
Look on the bright side: once the KS fails you'll be free to translate more Liar-soft games!

>>12774523
How does it compare to the others?

>>12774465
LWR has been showing up everywhere JList adversities for a few weeks now.

>>12774531
18+ is solid (as in, it's on paper), but they strongly want to keep it separate from the "all-ages game" and we have to respect that.

Hmm, there's a pretty big difference between an underquilt and a bed covering.

At least JAST should be happy that their Starless censorship controversy now will not get any attention.

>>12774544
I don't think JAST ever announced the release date, though. Not even on their twitter. They just changed a value in LWR's store page and called it a day.

>>12774523
Magnum overhauls the gameplay issues with vanilla quest.

>>12774542
Tier 1 - Kichikuou Rance, Rance VI, Sengoku Rance
Tier 2 - Rance IX, Rance Quest Magnum
Tier 3 - Rance 01
Tier 4- Rance IV, Rance 5D
Tier 5- Rance 02, Rance III
Tier 6- Rance I, Rance 4.1 and 4.2

I'm not going to even put in vanilla Rance Quest on it's own because it's impossible to justify playing it without Magnum

>>12774544
Not to mention at least five tweets a day about it.

>>12774542
Uh, I guess better than all but 6, the strategy pair, and MAYBE 9, but that's a very, very low bar to clear. Quest vanilla is long, grindy as shit, has no story at all to speak of so it never feels like you're making any progress at all until it eventually simply stops, and the engine is almost entirely ripped off from 6 with a paint job.

>>12774504
You really hate being wrong, don't you? Even when you actually are wrong you've got to go "But WAIT, not exactly!" to save face.

>>12774563

This is pretty much exactly how I would organize them. Quest Magnum is a great game. Never played it without Magnum so I can't say anything about that.

>>12774564
They haven't even tweeted about it five times in the last week.

Shit, dude. They haven't even tweeted about it twice in the last 10 days.

Why do Sekai Project keep saying yes to literally every license question they get?

Someone please get them a real PR guy.

>>12774424
I expected the anime would turn out poorly, as they always do (the currently running UBW anime looks like it may in fact be the only exception ever), but since I knew that and didn't bother with Grisaia's anime, what in particular went wrong?

>>12774566
What the fuck are you talking about?

Well, at least MG got Liar-soft and SP didn't. One small miracle to be thankful for. I could imagine SP repackaging Ixrec's crap.

>>12774576
In short, it's 13 episodes and they included all the routes

When is Shiny Days coming out?

>>12774576
Well first of all, it's just not as funny, which should be expected. However, the bigger problem is that they're cramming the entire VN with all of its routes into a single 13 episode cour.

>>12774574
Jast decided that some new Steins;Gate package was more important than the game they're about to release. And then their new website that doesn't work and doesn't have all its features ready, then Kana, then Starless, then damage control for announcing that Starless was having content cut.

>>12774576
Nothing that bad, its very well-made, except for pacing.
They did Yumiko and Sacchi routes entirely in one episode per route for example.

Anime-version of Makina ending was miles better than VN.

>>12774586
A lot of VN adaptations did just that. Grisaia is not the first and it won't be the last.

>>12774589
Of course I know it's nothing new. It's a disaster every time it happens. It's especially pronounced in Grisaia because it originally had way more content than most VNs.

>>12774509
You should be more concerned about VI. As a big fan of VI it's really annoying that the translation project for it is so stagnant.

>>12774601
Shouldn't you trust Ludo even less after he claimed to have severe brain damage?

>>12774601
If you did play it already, why do you care so much?
If you didn't, how could you be "fan" of it?

>>12774601

I'm translating VI after Mamatoto's done, so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.

>>12774607
I haven't trusted him in years

>>12774608
Believe it or not but some people want more people to play games that they like. Rance VI deserves more recognition here.

>>12774625
Good to hear

>>12774601
Uh, isn't that Sengoku Rance?

>>12774601
I've just given up hope

>>12774660
Sengoku Rance is Rance VII

Rance VI is the Collapse of Zeth

>>12774673
I mean, isn't Sengoku Rance the best one?

>>12774415

>According to Koestl, Frontwing does not want the 18+ version associated with the kickstarter. Maybe they're worried kickstarter won't allow them to use their service to fund a product with porn in it. Who knows. I never really cared about the porn anyways, so no loss for me.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone at Frontwing read through the Kickstarter ToS and figured they might not get their money if the Kickstarter is at all connected to the uncut release. So while they are fine with an uncut release in the West according to Koestl, they might just want to avoid it going directly to Kickstarter backers as a result of the Kickstarter.

It's something Dovac should have figured out ahead of time though, as with how things worked out Sekai Project looks rather terrible at the moment.

>>12774687
At least scenario-wise, 6 is definitely better.
Gameplay depends on tastes, with RPG vs TBS.

>>12774408
Look at Moogy, acting like he's some sort of connoisseur with high-class tastes. "I don't APPROVE of this! Begone, foul all-ages version! Away with you!" As if he even knows how they handled it. And like, that's not even the subject of importance here, he's just rambling on to show off since he wants people to think he speaks the language. I swear, every native English speaker that knows Japanese except for me pulls this shit. Meanwhile Herkz is all "Heh, I don't even know Japanese but I'll pretend I do so I can take part in this conversation. Brilliant!"

>>12774687
I prefer VI but I can see why many prefer Sengoku. Sengoku is translated anyway.

I think VI is much better in terms of plot and characters.

>>12774708
>As if he even knows how they handled it
He has vita version, so yes, he knows.

Here's hoping people scream bloody murder and KS crashes and burns.

ERO FOR ERRRYONE!!!

>>12774577
Your narcissism.

https://twitter.com/sekaiproject/status/541852163010351104
Does he honestly think he could trick anyone with such demagogy?

>>12774712
Here's a little known secret: Moogy claims to know a lot of things he doesn't actually know.

>>12774720
Hey, if it convinces even a few people to learn Japanese to read the rest of the series, that's a win as far as I'm concerned.

>>12774733
It's nice to see Sekai fucking up in the end.

I know they are the bad guys, bad guys don't win.

>>12774728
It makes me a bit sick that they're trying that again. It's ridiculously dishonest.

>>12774728
It's a stupid trick, but people are stupid enough to actually fall for it, so I'm not surprised he keeps trying it. He's awful at communicating though so he can't even pull it off well.

Honestly, this is probably the first game that I'm going to actively go out and encourage people to pirate.

>>12774728

>>12774769
Fuck that, consumers are gods.

They want money and I want some goddamn porn.

>>12774769
Yes, Angelic Howl got censored exactly because it was Fujisaki's wish. After all, why would he bother writing it all if not to censor everything later?
Seriously, dovac should go take courses in damage control or something.

>>12774769
>vague-ass tweet

Sasuga. Also what the fuck does he think fandom means.

>>12774762
Assuming it actually comes out in the first place, you mean. It wasn't in a great position in the first place with a perfectly good fan patch already available, and now with the censorship and increased funding goal, I don't think the KS's success is a foregone conclusion.

I mean, /jp/ is mad, Reddit I'm sure is probably mad, Steam users will be mad, and dumb normies won't give a shit because the anime sucked. I'm not saying it'll definitely fail, but SP/Frontwing really shot themselves in their collective foot with this whole mess and hurt their chances considerably.

>>12774786
Well I mean, with the fan TL already out, that wouldn't stop me from encouraging them to play it even if it never comes out officially.

I feel like the first one will still managed come out though. Just probably not the others. Maybe there's still hope of koestl getting back to the series unofficially someday, so that it ends up with a good translation.

>VN subreddit
>Shiki Ryougi flair

Wot.

>>12774825
Whore' ye quoting?

>>12774827
Dovac, obviously.

>>12774775
A million times this.

Artists are professionals. Their "wishes" don't mean shit. They make what people want or they don't get money. If you market demands porn, you'd better fucking give them porn, "artistic vision" or whatever be damned.

>>12774769
The big question is has Doorvac been the one shilling for the past while for all ages versions with the "creators are just forced to write stuff they don't want so it will sell" because he knew that they didn't want to release the Ero version?

It's nice to see SP fucking it up and all but my butt's still sore regarding Starless's censorship.

Come on, it's lame as fuck, I wouldn't even pirate it now.

>>12774887
I don't want to but I remember that nigga.

>>12774927
it has nothing to do with SP, it's all frontwing's demands

>>12774887
Literally everyone in this thread is Dovac.

>>12774927
At least JAST is going to be releasing a patch for restoring the cut content.

>>12774986
Which SP should have sorted out before starting things.

It's SP who choose to fund this through kickstarter

>>12774992
>Literally everyone in this thread is Dovac.

Well shit, sorry for being such a tremendous faggot everyone.

>>12774986

It has everything to do with SP. They're the ones handling the negotiations and making announcements. They should be managing their partners better and making sure they have shit secured and in writing before going public with it.

>we were recently complemented by someone who works at a very popular vn brand that is not one of our partners yet....wonder what that means~

It means
>>12774456

>>12774986
Were you even following whole thing?
"We got Grisaia licensed, suck that MG!"
"Haha, fuck you all, its all-ages vita port"
"Wait, not, we will have 18+ too"
"No, no, you completely misunderstood me, its still only vita port"
"No, that statement meant we are going to kickstart both versions and you could get Limited Hardcopy Bundle of original 18+"
"Actually we are doing all-ages after all. Hey, I'm victim here, these nasty fuckers at frontwing imposed some outrageous demands out of blue, honestly!"

>>12774769
I'm convinced that anyone who uses the word "fandom" is a piece of shit.

>>12774625
You're truly our savior.

>>12774986
Demands which exist because SP chases the easy KS money.

>>12775059
You forgot few weeks he spent arguing that the Vita version wasn't a censored version since they personally weren't censoring the Vita version any farther.

>>12774582
Summer 2015.

Herkz posted this elsewhere as an example of a conversation that was completely removed in the Vita release of Grisaia

>>12775165
Can't wait!

>>12775219
>>12775165
Gosh I hope they don't cut Kokoro scene.

>>12775253
It's okay JAST will just do a "none censored" version of it like how Sekai is doing Grisaia.

>>12773008
I suppose the thread will be soon deleted by a mod but I already had my laughs. A guy was shamed when trying to talk about law.

>>12775001
>Dovac
>apologizing

That's not Dovac.

>>12775174
That's an extremely strange thing to remove. Why? The only thing I've got is that it is a very boring conversation.

>>12775369
That guy seriously believe Satoko and her towel will be classified as child pornography by the US governement when Saya no Uta had an official release with uncensored CG one year ago.

>>12775470
Because hints about cannibalism.

>>12775547
...So? What, did Japan censor Robinson Crusoe too?

>>12773042
It encompasses everything INCLUDING yaoi and is meaningless. Go watch Shirobako, you'll understand.

>>12773008
This dumb guy has a pony av, figures.

too difficult

Anyone have a good site with a list of fully translated visual novels?

I'm just getting into them but they seem kinda hard to find for some reason.

Also any "MUST READS"'s?

>>12775810
This is the wrong place to ask that. Here, we bitch about translations and discuss the drama surrounding them.

Want to see something hilarious, guys?

Remember how Jast announced that Starless would be censored, but that's okay because there'd be a patch to restore it.

They're not making a patch. They posted that they expect fans to make one. They all but literally announced "Fuwanovel or Hongfire will fix this."

http://forums.jastusa.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=254232

>There are some fans who want all of the original game content in the English version of the game, and we understand this. We're quite certain patches will be made available which restore this content, with the assistance of various fan groups, after the game is released.

>>12775838
At least that means that they'll probably make it as easy as possible to do so.

>>12775838
Cutting the bestiality makes some sense from a legal perspective. I really don't see why they're censoring scat and gore, though. But if they make it easy to make a patch, then whatever I guess.

One also has to wonder why they licensed the game in the first place if they knew they were going to have to censor it.

>>12775810
>Anyone have a good site with a list of fully translated visual novels?
You can filter visual novel by language on vndb.
>Also any "MUST READS"'s?
Pic related.

>>12775838
Look forward to your fhc quality translation of bestiality and scat.

>>12774408
Don't despair, koestl! Cheer up! We're your friends in spirit and porn!

>>12775850
I wonder more why they literally announced on their Twitter that there'd be a patch restoring it when their plan is "Hope Fuwanovel likes scat enough to make a horribly mistranslated one."

>>12775838
Fucking backpedal..

I'm disappointed.

That's how we like our Dovac. Frank and direct!

>>12775851
That is a really well made image. It's nice to think we have so many VNs with plots fully translated. And it doesn't even cover all of them.

Are you giving us the full version or will it be censored?

Dovac
>The censored version IS the full version.

Jast
>No, but don't worry, you guys HATE censoring, so you'll fix it.

When's MG going to get in on this clusterfuck?

>>12775908
Then you don't translate EROge you stupid fuck.

>>12775933
Hopefully MG doesn't soil their nukige starting root by censoring.

>>12775908
So I guess he's not releasing the full version of Grisaia ever after all? Despite what Koestl said just today?

>>12775908

Dovac, the past, the present (maybe the future)?

>>12776019
Watch his 18+ solution be the same as Jast's, announcing that some fans somewhere will uncensor it and therefore, the uncensored version will be available.

Then again, he wouldn't be able to run another Kickstarter for that, so it's clearly not an optimal solution for him. How much do you want to bet a new stretch goal will be something like "Make available the resources for modding the game to add or restore content."

Koestl/Herkz have verified that the no porn rule on Kickstarter only applies to live action.

There is verification that Herkz and Koestl have pointed to of an H project which got explicit permission from Kickstarter's staff. That project was told by Kickstarter staff that the no porn rule applies only to live action content.

So in short, Sekai Project should just ask Kickstarter if it's a problem if the issue is Kickstarter's ToS.

>>12776204
Nah. They'll wait to do that until after the first KS so they can run a second and you can pay $30k for each to be uncensored.

https://vndb.org/t5815/2#33
Dovac just lost 1 customer . Honestly, any backer here who completely dissapointed with Dovac after this?

>>12774396
Obviously, dovac is completely clueless on how to relay information about the western market to Front Wing and now he's getting bitten in the ass yet again.
Why the fuck would someone want to negotiate with companies such as Front Wing if they lack experience? The probability of them fucking up is tremendously high and now we're getting the results.

>>12776204
And if they were to ask and get a no, they could just publish that response in order to cover themselves

>>12776267
Most of SP's publicity problems would be solved if they would just be honest instead of communicating in nothing but doubletalk and halftruths.

>>12776262
He's clueless about a lot of things. Let's not forget that he originally planned on using the Clannad fan translation because a group without any translations was going to somehow fix everything that was wrong with it.

>>12776238
based Frontwing. Filthy EOP deserve their cencored porn.

>>12776238
Well, I for one fully intended to back it before this, but not now. I'm not just saying that, either; I've bought Demonbane and Saya already, I'll probably pre-order Hanachirasu and Gahkthun, and I'm considering LWR and Clannad. But yeah, if Dovac wants my money for Grisaia he'll have to make an uncensored release happen.

>>12776301
I pulled my money from the Clannad kickstarter because of this. If they're going to just go back on their word like this about something so big I can't trust them not to just slap the fanpatch in for Clannad or something else awful. Stuff like Nekopara didn't help either.

>>12776204
From the FAQ of the project in question, 18+ stuff on Kickstarter is fine as long as it's not live action video or photography.

>>12776367
True, I can't say this helped sway me in the direction of supporting Clannad, either.

Maybe I'll just save my money and buy three copies of Gahkthun instead of Grisaia and Clannad. MG sure is looking good compared to everyone else lately.

>>12776367
>Stuff like Nekopara didn't help either.
I saw a lot of people complaining about this game but I don't know why. What happen exactly ?

I can't believe all this stupid shit I am reading. JAST should not be able to get away with what they are doing with Starless.

>>12776407
Short version: The translation is atrocious.

Longer version: SP claimed that they weren't involved with the translation in any way and were just publishing it and arranging the western side of things. Then it turned out that the translator is one of the heads of SP, the same guy who was fired from MangaGamer for fucking up ImoPara's translation badly and who Dovac said he fired too.

And the translation is atrocious.

>>12776389
I can't believe that after all these years, everyone else is so incompetent that MangaGamer looks good as a result. It sure has been a long, long road from when it was originally founded.

>>12776451
Full disclosure, the last part about Trantez being whose his face is up for debate, but Trantez is still WEE's translator and is intimately tied to SP and no other group.

>>12776465
You can always browse Kouryuu's ask.fm if you want to see him making a total ass of himself. That's just him though, not business decisions or announcements.

>>12776484
>I've heard mangagamer offers beta testers their choice between game vouchers or cash. Is the pay so depressing that it's actually worth it to take the voucher? I mean, I love you guys but if you're gonna haze me with typo-riddled morningstar games, I'd atleast like something worthwhile...
>Depends. The cash rate we pay beta testers is usually slightly less than the MSRP, but we also offer extra if Testers write up a Corner for the blog. Combined, they pay more than the game's MSRP, but Testers can request vouchers instead of cash.

Never mind.

>>12776471
Trantez/Batman isn't YukkuriS/Shinikenshi. Trantez was brought in at MG to finish Imopara after YukkuriS was fired, and ended up being as bad or worse. Trantez is translating WEE, as you said, which means that YukkuriS was most likely the one responsible for the Neko Para disaster.

I'm afraid to even look at WEE.

>>12776553
As long as we agree that neither should be translating anything at all.

https://twitter.com/nekopara_pr/status/532334787680145408

Anyway, here's the NekoPara devs thanking SP for taking over translation, which Dovac said they weren't doing. And Dovac has no translators but Trantez and the supposed-fired fellow head of SP YukkuriS, so it's not hard to connect the dots.

>>12770679
>JAST
>Seinarukana- Mostly translated
Is ded, release never.

>>12776465
Sure does when people shill for them on /jp/.

>>12776553
This sort of does't make sense for MG or SP.
If they were so bad in MG then why didn't their editor or other staff go over it to fix it or have them fix it? Don't they have to edit their own stuff?
MG used to have really good translations but recently their stuff has been pretty dry.

>>12776624

Hi dovac

>>12776613
Yep.

>>12776632
If the translation is grossly incorrect to start with, the editors can't fix anything.

SP claims that they were somehow 'rushed' (by their own schedule) and that's why NekoPara was full of English errors too, and everything would definitely be fixed in post. Just like the Clannad fan translation!

>>12774440
For the same reason why they need money at all to sell an already translated game

>>12776639
Hm? Where did they say they were rushed?

>>12776639
Wait, so they don't even check before they hire translators? Wow. So they're pretty much the same as any fan group.

>>12776580
What is even the point of lying about doing the translation? Like if they just didn't want to confirm it, they could just not have replied. It just makes them look even more sketchy when they get caught.

>>12776666

All over reddit, dovac's favorite place to make copious excuses for his incompetence.

>>12776673
Same reason he blamed some random innocent people for that OELVN Kickstarter scam by the people being Sakura Spirit.
http://vnsnow.com/2014/11/sekai-project-chief-responds-to-vns-nows-questions-on-the-guardians-spell/
http://vnsnow.com/2014/11/update-former-guardians-spell-va-director-speaks-to-vns-now/

>>12776674
I was under the impression the only excuse he needed for his incompetence was his crippling mental retardation.

>>12776674
To be more accurate, the first thing Dovac said when it had been released was that it had been through QC already.

It wasn't until after people started pointing out all the problems that he claimed it was rushed and they were bringing on extra people to definitely fix everything up and that the demonstration wasn't demonstrative of the final product.

>>12776688
You're thinking of Ludo.

Dovac hasn't used brain damage as an excuse for his erratic and self-destructive behavior. Yet.

>>12776674
lol stalking someone on reddit.

>>12776691
>To be more accurate
Is English not your first language?

>>12776728
It's clearly not yours.

>>12776751
Technically, it would have been more accurate to say "to be more precise", as "accurate" denotes a correction while "precise" denotes a refinement.

I can't imagine why anyone would give a shit, though.

>>12776769
>it would have been more accurate
...

It is a correction regardless. Dovac said on Reddit that it hadn't been rushed. Then he said later that it had.

And it's not technically wrong either. They're synonyms and this is synonymous usage. Accurate, precise, correct, exact, factual, right, true, specific, etc. All mean the same thing in that usage.

Why would you translate a hardcore nukige if you're just going to remove all the hardcore content?

My motto:
>Read everything, pay for nothing.

>>12776810
There's nothing wrong with being a leech but I don't know why you would be proud of it.

I just wanted to read Starless in English.
I feel so sad right now, thanks Jast USA.

>>12776780
Trying too hard, dawg. It's cool if you have a middle school vocabulary but shouldn't bother making arguments about bad translations.

>>12776871
Forget a word, kiddo?

>>12776465
>>12776484
It probably helps MangaGamer that they are lead by someone who is voiceless and faceless to the Western community, so nothing anyone says at MangaGamer can be treated as coming from the guy running the company like Dovac.

Why not get Game Gate involved this clearly is a ethics issue and corruption of gaming

http://sekaiproject.tumblr.com/post/104707312631/how-do-you-deal-with-criticism-for-your-work

> In terms of non-constructive criticism, well, oftentimes people are directing anger at you over a situation out of your control, and that’s okay. Sometimes there’s things to be learned from that as well, you just need to keep your eyes open.

>>12777108
You need to actually learn, Dovac. Continuing to lie, backtrack, accuse other people of being at fault, and defend substandard people and efforts show that you haven't.

Some interesting Grisaia discussion in #tlwiki a little while ago for those who don't idle there.

http://pastebin.com/0pa1ypiS

Normally I'd just link the log, but I guess it's dead.

>>12777150
Shit, I'm pretty mad at Frontwing after reading that. It's like they have no idea what the western market wants.

>>12777150
An 18+ release done after the kickstarter, with no reference from any place that sells the all ages release, by a new brand/company separate from Sekai Project, is going to sell nothing. If they are going down that route, they would be better off just contracting JList to distribute it.

>>12776634
2/10

>>12777369
Based frontwing, please keep EOP aeay from my porn games

>>12777395
They certainty will keep EOP money away from Frontwing.

Looks like mangogamer is revving for another sale on their backcatalog for christmas.

Not much of note there other than the fact that apparently they're going to be making a deardrops/d2bvdeardrops bunduru like nipland had

Wow, shills as far as the eye can see.

I wonder who's staff is in this thread?

>>12777470

Fuck off dovac/etc.

>>12776632
Funny story about editors, SP's current editor is MG's ex editor.

>>12777471

But I'm not even Chinese...

Reminder that if it wasn't for Ixrec4 you'd already have read Kiminozo. How does that make you feel, you english plebes?

Koestl on the Sekai Project forum

https://forums.sekaiproject.com/t/grisaia-no-kajitsu-pre-kickstarter-discussion/62/92

>>12777523
Feels as bad as this.

>>12777542
SP should just let koestl handle PR for Grisaia, literally everything dovac says just makes it worse.

>>12777572
Let someone who's actually passionate about the game and project do it instead of the money grubbing dickholes who see the project as just a way to line their pockets?

Nah, that'd never work.

>>12777572
speaking of that, scrolling up a bit on that thread

>>12777589
>don't complain, you'll make it worse

Sasuga dobacco

>>12777150
Not very hard to figure out the address https://denpasoft.com

>>12776451
Though you've been going at it for a long time now, I still have yet to see ANY proof that Shinikenshi is YukkuriS.

As for the Nekopara translator, Sekai has never stated who did the translation nor do we know from any other source. The only argument for YukkuriS I've seen is 'the guy who translated this doesn't know Japanese, YukkuriS also doesn't know Japanese, so this guy must be YukkuriS'.

(The translation IS atrocious, though.)

>>12777872

I think it's pretty obvious that it's YukkuriS' work if you've seen his other shit before.

>>12777872
Fuck it. Shinikenshi, YukkuriS, Trantez, Moogy. Their translations are all shit so they may as well be the same person.

>>12777589
He used "I'll give you that" wrong. Does this man speak ANY language competently? Never seen someone who has this much trouble talking.

>>12776058
The point of that image is that he doesn't even have an 18+ solution. He lied.

>>12777906
Which is the same as Jast. Their solution is "I sure hope someone else does it."

>>12777906
It seems like they legitimately plan to release it 18+, as they already have a brand set up to sell 18+ content. The issue, based on the IRC chat, is Frontwing wants to treat this like Japan and have the uncut and all ages releases to be as separate as possible. The Kickstarter issue for 18+ content is not an issue for drawn stuff as has been verified, and Dovac wouldn't intentionally do something that would lose him money.

They are making a horrible business decision, and it may cost them all their Grisaia money if the Kickstarter happens to fail because of this decision. Furthermore, releasing through a new brand likely won't bring in much money since it takes time to build up a brand, especially if Frontwing makes them not talk about the uncut release where they are selling the all ages release as the IRC log suggests.

http://forums.jastusa.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=254232
>The visual elements that will be removed in the English version of Starless will be:

>- CGs related to scatology (usually 2-3 images in a series at the end of a sex scene, occasionally a bit more)
>- CGs related to beastiality
>- CGs related to cutting a certain body part with a guillotine that should not be cut

>Many will agree that these themes are outside the "comfort zone" of most fans.

muh safe space
muh triggers

A definition is a somewhat arbitrary concept used for categorization purposes (and communication), which in turn are used to retrieve games of X type. If the retrieval system you're using uses a particular definition, then you're basically entrapped within that definition (unless you can find an alternative retrieval system). For example, there's a surprising number of VN players that have never heard of Idolmaster, mostly likely because it's not listed on VNDB. Idolmaster has essentially been excluded from their concept of visual novels without them realizing it or having a choice in the matter. Since VNDB is so widely used, its mere existence shapes how English speakers view and communicate about this amorphous "cloud" of games from Japan.

By this logic, the actual Japanese term is not necessarily relevant. Languages can and do evolve like terms with different meanings.

>>12777941
what IRC log are you even talking about?

>>12777960
>>12777970
>HAY GUYS I JUST GOT HERE U HEAR DIS NEWS FROM YESTERDAY!?

>>12777971
See
>>12777150

>>12777971
https://tindabox.net/irclog

>>12777970
You know the English VN community is fucked beyond all hope when vndb defines the culture.

>>12777906
Dovac may lie often, but he certainty seems to have a brand set up for 18+ content under the name Denpa Soft.

>>12778005
Don't give Ti9 attention.

>>12778027
If you're only interested in the 18+ version the current plan seems terrible. If you support the KS they basically want you to pay for the same game twice.
Adding some fluff all-ages content isn't enough to get me two buy two copies.

There's some talk about backers getting a discount/free copy of the 18+ but at this point it's just talk.

>>12778109
Yeah, and why it's a bad business decision to separate it from the Kickstarter. They probably will still succeed with the Kickstarter, but the amount they lose on the Kickstarter final total is unlikely to be made up through their 18+ store. If they can finalize something to accommodate those who want the 18+ version beforehand though, then it becomes much less of a problem.

>>12778109
Frontwing is under the impression that the West will act like the Japanese audience and happily buy the same product twice.

>>12778142
Well the Japanese were at least given a choice. No one had to buy the remake the original was already out.

We're being forced to support the all-ages. If the West doesn't support the all-ages version there won't be an 18+ version.

More from Koestl, that "third party" I am assuming is the new brand Denpa that Moogy mentioned in the IRC log earlier.

https://forums.sekaiproject.com/t/grisaia-no-kajitsu-pre-kickstarter-discussion/62/109

Why the hell is Frontwing having them release it under another brand? What rationale could have led to that?

I told you. I told you the scene was ded.

>>12778186
Regardless of if Frontwing is making them do it or not, it is in Sekai Project's long term interest to have 2 brands in order to get the benefits of being an all ages company while still being able to sell porn. The problem though is how Frontwing is forcing them to have complete separation and act as they are two unrelated titles without being able to reference each other.

>>12778200
The problem is that Dovac keeps lying instead of simply telling the truth. Every single week, he says something else that turns out to either be a lie, wildly out of touch with reality, or declares something he said a previous week was a lie.

>>12778227
Which is why we are relying on what was said on the IRC log and what Koestl has been putting out there to determine what Sekai Project is doing with regards to Grisaia, instead of the vague stuff that Dovac has said.

>>12778227
Dovac has personality problems and tends to say contradictory things, but that doesn't hinder Sekai Project in general because he keeps it off the main website stuff and frankly most people who buy stuff from Sekai Project don't care. What hurts Sekai Project is when things the public pays attention to changes, in this case no uncut Grisaia release.

Dovac has barely commented in this situation other than expressing his displeasure about the fanbase and saying he is in a tough spot. Koestl is the one who has given us the update on the situation, so what you said is not the problem for what you responded to.

>>12778328
>Dovac has barely commented in this situation

And what of all the other situations where he was all over Twitter and Reddit making false claims and broken promises?

Or do you want a medal because just this once, he managed to keep himself to ONLY bitching about the people he's trying to sell to, ONLY go back on his word, and ONLY tell people not to complain or they'll make things worse?

>>12778352
He only fucked up immensely instead of humongously.

He's improving.

He's also the best PR that Jast can't buy, completely overshadowing their Starless BS.

>>12778352
As we are discussing on what is happening to Grisaia going forward and how Sekai Project is handling 18+ releases going forward based on available information, Dovac's personality problems and bullshit simply are not relevant to the discussion at hand, at least until he puts his own word out about it.

>>12778384
He has. On his forums.

And on Twitter.

And on his Prefundia.

You twat.

>>12778372
Jast Starless probably will become a bigger deal around release time in March (or more realistically, whenever they delay it to).

>>12778372
>He's also the best PR that Jast can't buy, completely overshadowing their Starless BS.

Which is funny, since all signs point to Grisaia still getting an uncut release (just not through Kickstarter) while JAST by now has made it painfully clear Starless will not be receiving any uncensored release whatsoever.

Not to mention the cut content affects Starless far more harshly than it does Grisaia (what's an extreme nukige without extreme content?).

>>12778414
The concern over Grisaia though includes the now very real theat that it will struggle to get funded, because people who buy stuff don't want to deal with the bullshit of how it has been set up.

>>12778391
Indeed, and we can discuss how much of an asshole he is for how he gets mad at the fanbase to not supporting him and how he got upset about people wanting to complain to the people he said was responsible. But none of that is a direct response to a post that had nothing to do with him.

>>12778422
I doubt it, but even if it does, so what? Do you think they've given him the licenses to just sit on them? Or that it's contingent on a Kickstarter he wasn't planning to run for months?

He's already pulled this bullshit before with that doujin game.
>I need the money for translation.
>So if it's not funded, it won't be translated?
>No, it's going to be translated no matter what. I meant I need money for voices.
>Less than 1% of the lines are voiced, and the amount you're saying that will cost is nearly a steak dinner per line.
>I mean I need it for licensing. There are a lot of costs shutupandstopaskingmequestions.

And let's say it does bomb. You think he's not going to release the first game and then continue doing a KS each for the other ones? KS is just his way of milking as much money out of stupid people as quickly as possible. His localization costs don't even make the slightest bit of sense even for Grisaia when you take into account game length. It's all just made up numbers to get people's cash before he springs more bullshit on them.

>>12778456
Dovac, just fuck off.

I am personally offended that Denpa Soft aren't releasing any denpa games. This is false advertising.

>>12778541
Look forward to their upcoming Subahibi announcement. You see, vvav is not in fact a lazy sack of shit as is commonly believed, but has actually been delaying his patch for precisely this purpose.

Support Denpasoft's official localizations of KeroQ games!

>>12778562
And they will make an all ages version for Steam to release under the Sekai Project label, look forward to it.

>>12778570
>make an all ages version for Steam
Translated by totally-not-YukkuriS

>>12774825
Yes, there are some non-anime flairs mixed in because they were specifically requested by either reputable or whiny users. I don't see the problem.

>>12778934
You don't see the problem with whiny people getting their way? Really.

More important is that they're using the shitty PS3 art for the Umineko flairs and don't even have most of the characters. Oh well, at least there was a Lambdadelta one that didn't look awful.

>>12779050
Sometimes refusing stuff like that it can cause more trouble than it's worth.

If you would like some other flairs, you can just ask, you know. They do still take requests. Just message the person/mod who took care of the flairs and I'm sure they'd be willing to create some flairs with the old art for you to use.

You know, Dovac might very well be that chinese guy next door your family loves. The thought has kept me awake at night

>>12779131
Eh, I don't even post. I just thought it was kinda dumb.

>>12779499
There is nobody in the world with white skin that has nails as long as Dovac's. Nor is there anyone near as socially awkward while still trying to get away with it. He would be very easy to identify in real life, good thing for him that he never leaves his room and lets his mother take care of everything for him.

>>12779499
Jackie Chan is a scumbag. His illegitimate daughter that he never sees is a testament.

>>12775838
OK, wait. The scat was a problem? Disregarding Euphoria entirely, Jast fucking released Water Closet. What's the logic behind that?

I wish I had the skills of Dovac so I can convince braindead weebs to give me thousands of dollars, only to spend that money on onaholes and other crap.

Will Jast USA localize Nitroplus Blasters: Heroine Infinite Duel?

>>12777802
Link is dead anyone have a screenshot?

>>12779973
"Go Away

You shouldn't be here"

Is all that's there.

>>12780056
Yesterday it had the three Grisaia titles and Nekopara listed.

>>12779973
>>12780056
>>12780083
This is the Neko Para page, at the bottom it has Meikyuu and Rakuen, but Kajitsu was also on the store page. Only Neko Para had preview screenshots though.

>>12780083
>>12780056
If you google the name this is what you see.

>>12780325
I see. Considering the name they're using and that Dovac was credited on the joke Shizuku translation, I wonder if he plans on doing denpa games.

http://denpa.is.moelicious.be/

http://mangagamertreatmentofsatoko.tumblr.com/post/104756047781/the-thread-was-about-mangagamers-unprofessional
>Why do so many people insist on defending MangaGamer after their disgusting behavior which includes blatantly ignoring any complaints that don’t come from /jp/ and making up excuses that everyone knows are lies?
I just lost my shit

>>12781121

My favorite part about this guy is how he can whine and complain about being generalized as "tumblr" while at the same time generalizing everyone calling his ridiculous censorship demands as "/jp/" despite getting reamed on steam, reddit, and even goddamn animesuki.

>>12781121
>xpearse likes this
lol, I recognize that name. He's some dipshit from GBAtemp who tried to advertise his "translation" of some Eva game on /jp/ and got ripped to shreds and forced to admit he was using Google Translate.

https://twitter.com/jastusa/status/542491127475994625

Jast is now telling people what form the unofficial fan patch to restore the removed content for Starless will take.

Again, Dovac is the best PR for them that money can't buy.

>>12781290
I wonder if "support" just means they'll allow it, and maybe make it easy, or if they would actually supply uncensored images for the patch if someone asked them.
I doubt it's the latter, but I guess it's possible.

>>12781290
Some advise for MangaGamer and Jast, if you have any unpopular news you need to get out, now would be an outstanding time to do so.

>>12779608
You sound very jealous.

Cross channel retranslation has been out a while now, just found out about it and started on it.. Anyone else read it?

>>12781795
It's shit.

>>12781802
Thanks for saving me 20 hours.

>>12781802
Is it better or worse than the previous translation, which I also gather is shit?

>>12781846
They're both pretty horrible. George Henry Shaft is literally insane, though, so I'd probably still go with Ixrec if I were forced to choose.

If you have any ambition at all for someday learning Japanese, I'd highly recommend waiting until then to read Cross Channel.

>>12781868
What's the difference between a translator and you reading it with knowledge of japanese?

Is it about perspective? Like how one sentence may mean different things to different people or have many different meanings?

>>12781912
All translations are subject to translator interpretation. Two different translators could certainly take the same lines and end up with two very different translations, both valid.

However, when the original text says "His dog is brown" and the translation is "His cat ate breakfast" something has fucked up in the process well outside the sphere of interpretation.

Both Ixrec and GHS are poor translators on both sides of the required translator skill set, interpretation of the source language, and reproduction to the target language. Especially the latter. The writing style is a huge part of C+C's popularity in Japan and it was reduced to stilted, grammatically poor sentences in both.

Ixrec's tends to be more literal, thoroughly mangling the large number of metaphors through a lack of understanding and often just getting things flat out wrong. GHS's began with the belief that the game is the Da Vinci Code and contains all kinds of hidden symbolism and numerological significance, wrote a treatise on it, and then translated using his own treatise as a guide. He also demonstrated a poor ability on even simple sentences that no possible imaginary symbolism could be tortured from.

Apparently Ixrec is translating Harvest Festa. He made good progress already. Not sure why no one is talking about this

>>12782245
Because it's a non-H fandisc to a shit VN.

>>12782270
>a shit VN
You take that back

>>12782271
Unless you only read the common route and stopped I don't see how you could ever consider Rewrite remotely good. Too many cooks spoil the broth and all that, and when you have your three writers competing to see who can destroy the world the most you get complete ass endings to them.

>>12782281
Endings is not important, it's about the journey.

>>12782281
Surely you read the endings and stopped before going into Moon and Terra.

>>12782304
I enjoyed them but I can't say I thought they were amazing or anything, maybe it's because Akane's and Shizuru's route left far too sour of a taste in my mouth. The minigame was trash and the constant change in atmosphere took a lot of away from the VN for me. Kotarou killing Esaka among everything in Akane's route made him very unlikable and the ending to Terra was so shit I want to forget the whole thing.

Like I said I really liked the common route and I did like Lucia's and Chihaya's. Rewrite has a lot of problems even if you do like it, the writer inconsistency being the main one. Maybe calling it shit is too harsh but especially when you take the length into account I wouldn't rate it higher than a 6 at most.

>>12780056

Site now just says "coming soon", and they started a twitter account, which so far just says they'll be putting out Nekopara

https://twitter.com/denpasoft_pr

>>12782373
>Guess the cat's finally out of the bag.

The remarkable thing is that is something that can legitimately be blamed on Moogy

It looks like though they are going to pretend that Denpa Soft is some separate, completely unrelated company from Sekai Project that just happens to have the porn version of everything Sekai Project releases.

>>12782384

This is going to be like the YukkuriS = Shinikenshi all over again where SP insists they're absolutely not the same people and you have no evidence to back that up!

>>12782384
>It looks like though they are going to pretend that Denpa Soft is some separate, completely unrelated company from Sekai Project that just happens to have the porn version of everything Sekai Project releases.

Don't they have to though? I mean if Frontwing are demanding "complete" separation of the two versions of Grisaia.

>>12782404
That is probably why they are doing it, yeah. A no win situation for Sekai Project though being forced to do that, as that those who know they are the same thing just find it to be a hilarious joke, while those who don't are lost business.

>>12782404
Yes, in all likelihood they are doing that because Frontwing is making them do so.

It is bad for Sekai Project though that they are being forced to go down that route. It is a hilarious joke for those who know they are the same, but for those who are only aware one or the other exists, it will be lost business. They also have to build up the name from basically scratch if Sekai Project isn't going to mention it anywhere.

>>12782373
Seeing that Sekai now has a way to distribute 18+ content without issue and Kickstarter is good with 2D porn, Baldr Sky Kickstarter when?

>>12782454
Might as well just read a machine translation of it if you want to read something Sekai would pump out.