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Previous thread: >>12526347

What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.

>> No.12545419
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Finished Bunny Black.
Turned out to be much shorter than claimed by VNDB. Together with gameplay, it took less than 20 hours to reach ending.

Story was typical shcara stuff. Not serious and really predictable, but still enoyable and fun. Protag is better than in previous games and due to that I actually liked heroines in this one.

But gameplay, ugh, what the hell? Can't believe it was done by same team as wizard climber or suzukuri dragon.
Insane chest opening mechanic, which makes it really hard to get any decent loot.
Lack of balance, due to which second half of game is way too easy. Even EX dungeons weren't challenging at all, I've killed final ex dungeon boss in two turns and zero losses, and thats with trash equipment, since getting decent items is too bothersome.
No real NG+ — all you get is some shitty additional recruitable unit, while you can't take over protag data or dungeon maps (and mapping dungeons alone again is already way too bothersome to even try NG+).

Its mystery for me why Aroduc picked this one to translate, especially considering amount of references to older SHChara games and fact that these older games are better in almost every aspect.

>> No.12545454

Iam about to start セミラミスの天秤 but first I need an h-code, did someone make one for it yet?

>> No.12545458

>>12545454
Use TA's internal hooker.

>> No.12545598
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She's so annoying and cute at the same time. I don't understand why I find annoying girls appealing.

>> No.12545599

>>12545419
>I don’t even particularly like the game, although it was an easy and generally amusing thing to work on for the most part. It’s just the game part that’s the sticking point. It also felt great to look back on a productive three day weekend and see that I got close to 15% of the script done.

>> No.12545602

>>12545598
She has lewd armpits, for one thing.

>> No.12545838

Sorry if this is a bit of an odd question, but is there anywhere I could download resources? Specifically, I'm looking for a dialogue frame, with the various options in it, as well as the buttons. OP's picture is a good example.

I'm not making my own, before you ask.

>> No.12545846

>>12545838
Download one of the free engines, like KiriKiri.

>> No.12545886

>>12545846
Thank you, I'll give that a go.

>> No.12546041

>>12545454
Fuck off to hongfire or something, faggot.

>> No.12546151

Is はるまでくるる worth playing after なつくもゆるる? Is it worse? Better?

>> No.12546169

>>12546151
If you like one of them you will like the other.

Both are great games, but I think Harukuru was better. I really look forward to Akikuru.

>> No.12547006

>>12545598
I hate this post SO MUCH.

>> No.12547109
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Someone recommended me this title and it is interesting so far. Visual novel with battle system that somehow flew under my radar when it was released almost two years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te1fLevRjQk

>> No.12547130

>>12547109
So this is where Trigger rip-off their design from.

>> No.12547154

>>12547109
Battle system gets extremely repetitive and boring. Also story is pretty meh.

Too bad because the concept was interesting.

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I don't understand, what is this commemorating?

>> No.12547544

>>12547109
>>12547154
>Someone recommended me this title and it is interesting so far.
I find both of these things difficult to believe. The writing was excruciatingly fucking awful. I got pissed off at it just reading the trial.

>> No.12547827

>>12547544
I like the MC a lot, reminds me of Peter Parker. Though I agree they went overboard with some stuff early like the self-introductions (Three times? Ok enough, I already remember each name).

>> No.12549752

Anybody has a link to a whole drama surrounding the fall of Elf? Everything I google in japanese is just news about how a new division was built with guys from Elf.

>> No.12549814

>>12549752
They made a pure love game where the main heroine was a slut. Didn't go well. What else is there to tell?

>> No.12549828

>>12549814
It's hard to imagine that this incident led to a near-dissolution 10 years later.

>> No.12549833

>>12549828
They had done that stuff before, whore heroines, slutty heroines, heroines with sexual experience, but you don't go and make the main heroine the MC's childhood friend a girl who is going out with his 'best friend', fucked him first and screams his name during the sex scenes with the MC.

>> No.12549840

>>12549833
Yeah, but it's still hard to imagine that it took 10 years.

>> No.12549854

>>12549828
They lost a ton of money and fans, a bunch of staff left, and they were condemned to making NTR games for the rest of forever. Recently most of the remaining staff got tired of the situation and formed their own company.

>> No.12549974

>>12549752
Search the archive. I recall one anon giving a pretty detailed description of what happened.

>> No.12550028

>>12549814
>>12549833
>>12549854
I assume he's talking about more recent events. Don't really remember them, but something about a bunch of staff deciding to quit, bla bla bla, next game is delayed some more and they needed to hire a new artist.

>> No.12550405

>>12545385
Still waiting patiently for 世界を救うだけの簡単なお仕事 ...

>> No.12550447

>>12549752
There's not much information available, just that most of their staff left to create a new brand. elf is secretive enough to begin with and any company is going to avoid publicizing internal politics, especially ones that lead to a schism.

I suppose there are bits and pieces you could use to draw some conclusions (banner hinting at how many staff they have left, one artist having to redesign a character drawn by the other artist who was on the project, etc.) but nothing major. Probably the most concrete, and important, info is that they're still working on the Maro series but it will be delayed. They haven't even said if it's going to be the same writer.

>>12550028
I don't think they hired a new artist. The Yukina redesign was done by the other artist who was already part of the project (and was in fact the original/main artist for the series). I would guess they're just going to have the one artist handle all the art.

>> No.12550675

Someone in a Muv-Luv thread on /m/ uploaded age's lastest kusoge if anyone is interested in playing that piece of shit.

At least now age can stop move onto making something at least mediocre now that they're hopefully done with the piece of shit that was TE.

>> No.12550678

>>12550675
Man, Muv Luv was so bad...

>> No.12550687

>>12550678
The Original trilogy isn't that bad, the extra's beyond that can go die in a fire however

>> No.12550705

>>12550678
Well, it's not as good as Baldr Sky or Muramasa, but it's still a hell of a lot better than 99% of other eroge.

>> No.12550721

>>12550687
The spinoffs are the only good thing about the series though...
>>12550705
Not really... it's maybe in the 60th percentile.

>> No.12550724

>>12550721
>The spinoffs are the only good thing about the series though...

Completely disagree, alternative is the only title i believe that is "good" in the series and even said title requires a buildup of 2 games to get the payoff.

>> No.12550736

>>12550678
This is my fifth favorite forced /jp/ meme.

>> No.12550740

>>12550675
Hopefully they can now make Elfen Blaze. ;_;

>> No.12550741

>>12550736
I'm not trying to force any memes... I just really don't like Muv Luv...

>> No.12550745

>>12550724
And honestly Alternative isn't all that great either unless you're impressed by the special effects.

>> No.12550747

>>12550740
I don't think they even remember what that is anymore.
I think Schwarzesmarken or the TDA compilation is next sometime in 2019.
The latter is probably going to look like shit though as age doesn't seem to have any halfway decent artists employed anymore.

>> No.12550769

>>12550724
Unlimited was the only Muv Luv I really liked. Alternative tried way too hard to be grandiose and epic, sometimes to the point of unintentional hilarity. The production values are still great and pretty much unmatched to this day though.

>> No.12550800
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>chuablesoft

>> No.12550805

>>12550800
Stema or is it actually that good?

>> No.12550806 [SPOILER] 
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>>12550405
A friend I met here in /jp/ got me a promotional clear file during Denkigai of this game and it looked okay. I might try it after I make some time this weekend for what I was really looking forward to since months ago, which was Haretaka. It seems to have gotten good reviews too, so I hope I am not disappointed.

>>12550800
Yeah, exactly what I mean. Out of all the companies I've played games from, I think Chuable was the hole that was made for me.

>> No.12550812

>>12550805
I don't know yet, but people that I usually read like the crazy guy at Nyuusoku seem to agree. http://blog.livedoor.jp/insidears/archives/52671338.html

>> No.12550840

>>12550800
Is this the month of sleeper hits?

>> No.12550893

How much longer do we have to wait for Sakura no Uta?

>> No.12550976

>>12550893
Since it looks like they're going to miss their 10th anniversary, get ready for a 15th anniversary release in 2019.

>> No.12551029

>>12550800
Is that actually good? It's rated high on vndb as well. I wasn't interested in it before since it made by Chuable.

>> No.12551191

>>12549833
Sorry but that sounds awesome. I'm psychologically a masochist, could you tell me which is it?

>> No.12551257

>>12551191
http://vndb.org/v14556

>> No.12551408

>>12551029
>It's rated high on vndb as well.

Well it sounds like the experts have spoken then.

>> No.12551430

>>12551408
>vndb
>7 years playing eroge using Atlas of mine may prove you wrong, lol.

Please, vndb rating is a joke.

>> No.12551442

>>12551257
It seems you understood, but I'm not that kind of masochist.

>> No.12551605
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12551605

Do you guys still expect anything good from Tokyo Necro now that Shimokura is on board?

>> No.12551636

>>12551605
Axanael and Steins;Gate were good. If he'll just be in charge of ideas it would be the best decision.

>> No.12551661
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http://www.akabeesoft2.com/bokusen/index.html

>> No.12551680

>>12550447
>elf is secretive enough to begin with
Were they this secretive too back then?

>> No.12551709

>>12551661
>価格 6,800円(税抜)
>攻略ヒロイン 1人
Do not want. This isn't a good sign, looks like shovelware crap.

>> No.12551721

>>12551709
Seems like looseboy didn't learn anything from juukishi disaster.

>> No.12551727

>>12551721
Speaking of that, weren't they going to release another similar title to make up for it or something?

>> No.12551799

>>12551709
Is there anything wrong with having more heroine? Normally only two are worth a damn and the rest are literal fluff.

>> No.12551917

>>12551727
The studio is gone.

>> No.12551941

>>12551917
The Studio was owned by Akabeesoft and they stated they would make another game to make up for how badly Juukishi turned out

>> No.12551951

Currently playing Symphonic Rain

>> No.12551983

>>12551941
Two games? Was Juukishi that bad?

>> No.12551986

>>12551983
Too few CGs, not enough fappable art and a scandal about Looseboy using a fake name to release moege while his expected titles are in the freeze forever.

>> No.12551988

>>12551983
It was a 3-4/10 game (the artwork was the only good part of it) but it was released unfinished and that caused issues. Read up on it in the archive

>> No.12552058

Nanairo is finally out.

>> No.12552128

>>12551983
Even ignoring all the drama, the game was extremely bad. All things considered though, their previous game with the swords was shit too, so it's not really surprising.

>> No.12552156

>>12552058
>Sexual Content 1.0
Dropped.

>> No.12552175

>>12552156
Sex an hour in is 1.0 now?

>> No.12552235

>>12550769
Mahoyo was more impressive in my opinion if we're talking production. Only thing MLA had over Mahoyo was blinking eyes, Mahoyo did both action and slice of life more stylishly. But then again, Mahoyo is short as fuck while MLA is huge.

>> No.12552256

>>12552235
I hate blinking eyes, most of the times it feels more unnatural than non blinking eyes. Last time I tried to read mahoyo was a while ago but I don't remember it having voice acting. which is fine Fate and Tsukihime did not have voice acting but I have been spoiled rotten recently.

>> No.12552271

>>12552256
Yeah I guess I kinda narrowed it down to presentation in my mind.

>> No.12552280

>>12552256
Sure, but Fate was released in 2004 where it wasn't too unheard of for a commercial release to be unvoiced.
Mahoyo being unvoiced was basically turbokike mode.

>> No.12552301

>>12552280
It is part of the experience just like Rance.

>> No.12552303
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>>12552256

In my opinion, Mahoyo really didn't need voices. They just would have gotten in the way, it was a really cool experience going through it with unvoiced, I felt like I was reading an actual novel at some points.

>>12552280

>turbokike mode

http://youtu.be/tLf9oWUe2fc

Yes Type-Moon, where did all your money go are you too poor to put in voices? I can pretty much promise you that budget was not the reason they didn't include voices, much more likely it was an artistic choice.

>> No.12552311

>>12552256
>>12552303
Nasu did say in one of the Type-Moon Ace interviews that he felt voices would change the experience he wanted to present.

>> No.12552314

>>12552301
Incidentally, Rance 01 is going to get an eroanime adaptation by Pink Pineapple, was kind of surprised nobody has mentioned it yet.

>> No.12552317

>>12552311
>>12552303

I did not say anything negative about mahoyo, I said that I have been spoiled rotten, I understand the decision.

>> No.12552319

>>12552317

I wasn't really referring to you, I'm referring to >>12552280 who pretty clearly believes it was a budget related decision. Just trying to clear up misinformation is all.

>> No.12552321

>>12551709
Funny, I think 5 heroines is the true sign of a shit game.

>> No.12552323

>>12552321
Why and give examples?

>> No.12552329

>>12552303
Because novels are famous for their sound effects and background music, eh?

How can the inclusion of VA be detrimental? The voicing adds an additional layer of information, and information overflow is what eroge are all about. And who doesn't want to hear the voices can always just turn them off, that's the liberty offered by interactive media.

>>12552301
The scattered VA of Daiteikoku must also have been part of the experience then.

>> No.12552333

>>12551709
Of course it's going to be crap, it's Looseboy.

But aside from that, ABS2 is obviously in oh-shit-we-need-a-new-game-right-the-fuck-now mode, and a short game by a popular writer is a good way to raise some quick cash.

>> No.12552338

>>12552323
Daitoshokan no hitsujikai

>> No.12552342

>>12552338
>Daitoshokan no hitsujikai
nice opinion and explanation bro.

>> No.12552343

>>12552058
Tell us how that Kotorige is, I will be taking care of my backlog.

>> No.12552350

>>12552338
The game that was actually good and also had more than five capturable heroines? Okay then.

>> No.12552359

Type-Moon should hurry the fuck up with those Mahoyo sequels. I want to play a real VN with those specs and not some glorified prologue pretending to be a full game.

>> No.12552370

>>12552359
Also sex scenes please.

>> No.12552376

>>12552329
Well Daiteikoku is complete shit.

>> No.12552379

>>12552376
No one ever claimed otherwise

>> No.12552389

>>12552370
I can't fap to unvoiced ero scenes.

>> No.12552413

>>12552323
Why would you think that spreading the writing effort thinner would make a better game?

>> No.12552431

I've only been playing Muv-Luv - Total Eclipse for 5 minutes, but I just remembered how incredible MLAs production values ware. And TE is way, way better in that regard. Amazing.

Though I'm not expecting much in terms of story.

>> No.12552438

>>12552413
I agree that it is more work, and that plenty of games might have been better if it were only one route, G-senjou comes to mind. However, there are plenty of 5+ heroin VN that are pretty good. Also, there are plenty of single heroine games that are shit. To answer your question, more girls mean that you can pick and choose the ones you like. It would be a shame if the novel sets up an amazing universe only to star some shitty twin tailed tsundere. Imagine is Rin was the only heroine in Fate or ciel the only one in tsukihime.

In the end it comes down to execution, not that fact that there are x number of routes or girls. "X number of girls = bad game" is a very arbitrary measurement that means nothing.

>> No.12552443

>>12552438
I don't think he was being completely serious tbh

>> No.12552445

>>12552438
Of course it comes down to execution, it's just 5 heroines usually means "CG set with a plot tacked on". Acting like a game with 1 heroine is a bad thing is stupid when you take that into consideration.

Also
> It would be a shame if the novel sets up an amazing universe only to star some shitty twin tailed tsundere.
If the writer doesn't suck that won't happen anyway.

>> No.12552451

>>12552438
I like twin tailed tsunderes in action games, they tend to be badass and when they go dere they become even more.

>> No.12552464

>>12552445
I do not know what you mean by "CG set with plot tacked on"

"Acting like a game with 1 heroine is a bad thing is stupid when you take that into consideration."

What do you mean by "that"? Also, who said 1 heroine games are bad? All I said was what if you do not like the heroine but lived the setting and writing which can very easily happen.

>>12552451
Everyone has their taste, but tsundere is just not mine. I get really tired of it very quickly, but well done tsudere can be very good. Tsundere just soo often done wrong.

>> No.12552465

>>12552464
> Also, who said 1 heroine games are bad?
>>12551709

>> No.12552470

>>12552465
The point is that anyone who says a game is good or bad based only on number of heroines is retarded. Obviously that guy falls into that category.

>> No.12552502

>>12552303
>>12552319
It's not a matter of being too poor but making less if you need to pay for voices.
That could be one whole years worth of not doing anything of worth but rehashing things if you had to pay for them.

>> No.12552512

>>12552502
It's always easier to let companies voice your games if they get ported, which is a given in Nasu's case.

>> No.12552536

>>12552156
Someone confirm this....

>> No.12552539

>>12552536
Confirmed.

>> No.12552584

>>12552536
>....

Getting tired of your shit.

>> No.12552594

>>12552584
Who fucking care....

>> No.12552633 [DELETED] 

>>12552584
Ultimate autism.

>> No.12552637

>>12552584
Ultimate autism....

>> No.12552675

Well, the preview of the sound drama on the first Character Song single for the new Yuzusoft had all four heroines speaking for those that care.
The VAs for Tsumugi and Touko don't sound familiar at all to me so maybe they are new and not new pseduonyms but I'm not very good at identifying VAs anyway.

>> No.12552736

>>12552675
>サノバウイッチ
Good title.

>> No.12553117

>>12552465
>>12552470
Sorry, I didn't mean 1-heroine vns are bad per se.
What I was going at is that middle priced AND only 1 heroine reeks of a landmine.

If its lowpriced I can still understand.
If its highpriced that means they're confident and it's going to either have high production values, solid plot or be a landmine.
But here you have a half-assed pricing, that means they didn't think it's going to make it as a full-priced game.
I don't think they have enough content for middle price game. Even if they did they're going to have to give the heroine 2-3 routes worth of text, unless the writer is really good it's going to feel tedious and dragged-on.
It's like they didn't learn anything from the Juukishi fiasco.

>> No.12553163

>>12552314
It was mentioned back when it was announced, i.e. about half a year ago. We don't keep discussing months-old news here.

>> No.12553179

>>12553117
I don't know, that just sounds like a lot of assumptions. There's nothing wrong with mid priced eroge.

>> No.12553195

>>12553179
I said "mid-priced AND only 1 heroine". Not saying mid priced are bad by itself.

Anyway I'd like to be proven wrong but I'm not holding my breath.

>> No.12553229

>>12553195
>Not saying mid priced are bad by itself.
You sure implied it.

It's not possible to disprove speculation.

>> No.12553260

>>12553229
Either way it is fucking retarded to judge a VN before experiencing it first hand, the only exception is if someone you trust reviews if for you.

>> No.12553276

>>12553260
> it is fucking retarded to judge a VN before experiencing it first hand
No, its not. Once you read enough VNs, you can recognize most of patterns by just reading synopsis and looking through character profiles.

>> No.12553277

>>12553260
It's pretty easy to judge a VN before it comes out when you already know it has a terrible writer.

>> No.12553296

>>12553277
That is another good reason.

>> No.12553298

>>12553277
True, but this whole conversation was started by ぼくの一人戦争.

>> No.12553310

>>12553298
Yes, exactly.

>> No.12553574

Anyone reading anything spooky?

Thinking of starting up 海からくるもの or つくとり.

>> No.12553672

>>12553574
No. I wish there were more horror games.

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What am I doing wrong? I keep getting an error no matter what I do. This has not happened before with anything else.

>> No.12553883

>>12553755
Maybe...I don't know...describe the error? Or at least screenshot it.

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>>12553883
I-I knew that already.
Everything is mounted, jap locale.

>> No.12553951

>>12553893
Double check to see if you have the right game mounted and try again.

>> No.12553961

>>12553893
The game might only be checking the first cd-rom drive so rearrange you're drive letters so that the virtual drive is the first cdrom it finds.

>> No.12554094

>>12553951
>>12553961
I can´t get it to work at all., and it seems that I literally got the deadly japanese cold. I'm fucking dying here, how am I supposed to fap when I'm throwing up all over the place? That's not one of my fetishes at all.

>> No.12554125

/jp/ - VN Tech Support

>> No.12554158
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This is the first time I've run out of save slots in a modern ~100 slot eroge (some really old ones only have like 10 to begin with). A thread or two ago people were talking about number and meaningfulness of choices. Well this game not only has a ton of choices, all of them except for a select few are meaningful. Pretty cool. Though the way the game is set up you eventually have to choose just about every option, which in a way detracts somewhat from their meaningfulness.

>> No.12554162

>>12554094
>how am I supposed to fap when I'm throwing up all over the place? That's not one of my fetishes at all.

Time to get familiar with sick moe! Your first hand experience only makes it more real!

On a side note, Sep releases have been a whitewash for me, never used CTRL so much so far.

>> No.12554165

>>12554162
I thought that nukige by onomatope or whatever the fuck was pretty good once you skipped past the first three hours of exposition on why everyone wants the dick or whatever.

>> No.12554557

>>12554094
What game is it?

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>mfw 5-3
All those levels.

>> No.12554630

>>12553276
Rofl

>> No.12554663

>>12554094
>That's not one of my fetishes at all.
but it is mine. (´・ω・`)

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>> No.12554756

>>12554714
Cool....

>> No.12554897

>>12553893
Probably need a crack all things considered. Go check anime-sharing forums and see the game's threads.

>> No.12554979

What's happening with Leaf?

Why are their upcoming games Utawarerumono and Jasmine not even dated?

It's been three years since WA2 and they aren't even planning on publishing anything soon.

>> No.12554997

>>12554979
Why make games when you can just enjoy the infinite licensing cash from constant ToHeart 2 merchandise spam?

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蒼の彼方のフォーリズム
sprite

>> No.12555559
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鯨神のティアスティラ
Whirlpool

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12555562

>>12555559

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彼女のセイイキ
feng

>> No.12555574
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12555574

サノバウィッチ
ゆずソフト

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>>12555574

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>>12555577

>> No.12555583

>>12555577
Meguru looks so best.

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>>12555581

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12555596

ハナヒメ*アブソリュート!
mirai

This one is from PUSH!!; I forgot to post it with the batch of scans last time.

>> No.12555606

>>12555583
I couldn't agree more

>> No.12555681
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>>12555596
>人気作「ティンクル☆くるせいだーす」のスタッフが贈る、完全新作ADVゲーム
Get fucking hype. With Hanahime and Bansenjin in the horizon it looks like that 2015 will shape up to be a pretty decent year.

>> No.12555691

>>12555681
>「ティンクル☆くるせいだーす」のスタッフが贈る
Except, well, the main writer.

>> No.12555712

>>12555691
This is eroge, the writing is insignificant.

>> No.12555720

>>12555712
So the artist then? The CGs in kurukuru were QUALITY as fuck most of the time anatomy-wise.

>> No.12555721

>>12555712
Just look at the CGs then if the writing doesn't matter

>> No.12555727

This is the first time I've had time to go on /jp/ in several weeks

Why did I go back into education

I mis those carefree days...I haven't even touched the nukige I downloaded in August...

>> No.12555731

>>12555720
This. The good parts of Kurukuru were the comedy and the gameplay, not so much the art.

>> No.12555741

>>12555727
Please respond

>> No.12555748

>>12555727
If you actually don't have time for VNs you suck at time management, end of story. No matter what tier of education you're at

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I'm most interested in what type of battle system they're making for Hanahime. Twinkle Crusaders gameplay parts were fucking great, especially in the fan disk which improved a ton with new playable characters and multiple special attacks for each one. The battle BGMs in both were also pretty hype.

And as for writing Twinkle Crusaders didn't really have a stellar plot or anything like that, at least when compared to Princess Witches. As long as the comedy parts stay good (though the jokes in Kurukuru got a bit repetitive IMO) and H-scenes lewd I'll be more than satisfied with the writing.

>> No.12555774 [DELETED] 

>>12555748
no bully

>> No.12555780 [DELETED] 

>>12555748
cut it the fuck out. this is a bully-free zone.

>> No.12555785

>>12555774
>>12555780

Naw, not bullying, I'm just not going to pity an anti-education sentiment like that

>> No.12555796 [DELETED] 

>>12555785
do you KNOW how much of a bully you're being right now

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>>12555748
>>12555785
don't bully me....... or my friends...

>> No.12555814

>>12555796
>>12555809
guess I forgot where I was, sorry NEETs. still love you guys

>> No.12555820

>>12555774
>>12555780
>>12555796
>>12555809
>>12555814
No one cares. Talk about VNs or fuck off.

>> No.12555835

>>12554714
Don't tell me they are going to do something like Gensou no Idea, a vn with 2 protagonists...I hope not since Gensou was pretty bad at it. I like various mc in one story but 3rdEye can't do this right.

Even Shinigami no Testament was a better story, and that's not saying much.

>> No.12556024

Now I understand what the Anon said when he told me to not skip the biology stuff in なつくもゆるる. It really gets interesting at one point.

>> No.12556066

>>12556024
I don't remember but it was a good game.

>> No.12556489

>>12555835
Pretty sure there's a 99% chance of that. The only game I liked from them was Bloody Rondo and, even then, only the main heroine route was interesting.

At least their soundtracks are always 10/10, so I'll be downloading that.

>> No.12556492

>>12555574
>>12555577
>>12555581
>>12555587
So this is going to be a complete chara-ge right? What a shame.

>> No.12556495

>>12556492
Uh, duh? It's Yuzusoft. Or were you expecting them to do another ExE?

>> No.12556614

>>12556495
Not to that extreme, but Noble Works and Tenshin Ranman had an interesting story. Dracu-riot had one too, but they basically ignored it for the most of the game.

Amairo Islenauts was actually the first game that felt like a complete chara-ge to me. Kind of like something Feng would make.

>> No.12556621

>>12556495
>another ExE

Thank goodness they won't.

>> No.12556767

>>12556621
For only being their second title ExE wasn't too bad.

>> No.12556874

Started up Idol Mahou Shoujo Chiruchiru Michiru.

Just past the OP movie. Number of Nyammel plastic bag jokes so far: 1.

>> No.12557104

Is ドグラQ ever going to be released?

Also how's Shinihami no Testament? Wanted to start it today.

>> No.12557106

Aww man Nanairo Reincarnation has a really nice and smooth interface. I've played a couple older titles and cheap clunky nukige lately so this feels really good.

>> No.12557175

>>12557106
Who is the guy doing the insane coloring for most Elf and Silkys games? They usually have that distinct very sensual and "flesh-like" coloring even between games with different illustrators.

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Any guess what is this guy referring to?

>> No.12557193

>>12557183
危ノーマル系女子

>> No.12557274

>>12555720
Original Kurukuru HCGs were hilarious because of fire-hose Synn. That one Misa blowjob CG still gets me every time in more ways than one.

PSS, not so much the case, since apparently they couldn't be fucked to put his body, let alone his dick, in 99% of the CGs (ditto for Masaki in the Pricchi CGs).

Anyway, I'm pretty hype for lewd Maher and Polina. An HCG of the chuunibyou Reina would be nice too, but I'll take the first two for now.

>> No.12557399

>>12555568
Damn, main heroine with wearing tights and a hat + an imouto heroine and I get hyped.

>> No.12557525

>>12555583
Nice taste anon. I wonder why that sidetail+scarf looks really appealing.

>> No.12557538

>>12555577
I wish they swap Nene and Meguru VA. Other than that, looks great.

>> No.12557545

>>12557538
I like playful Haruka Sora.

>> No.12557560

>>12557545
But playful Hana Kiritani is miles better.

>> No.12557571

>>12557560
But sounds too old.

>> No.12557591

>>12557571
それどういう意味 ?!

>> No.12557648
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Fucking slut

>> No.12557695

>>12557591
What have you done?
I can't not hear that in her voice.

>> No.12557786

>>12557648
Why are you trying to bring a dog on a date? Is this a bestiality game?

>> No.12557800

>>12557786
> Is this a bestiality game?
Yes.

>> No.12557802

>>12557648
Her route sucks, btw.

>> No.12557817

>>12557802
Yes it does. Hers was the one I was looking forward to the most, but it turned out to be quite bad. Thankfully I liked the other routes better.

>> No.12557852

>>12557817
I also dived headfirst into her route, but, well, you know. I don't even know which part I could point at, so I'll say everything about it was wrong.

>> No.12557945

What is your general opinion about Windmill Oasis's novels?

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>>12557945
The only one I managed to finish completely was Shukufuku no Campanella. And only for the twins and the main heroine. Especially the twins.

>> No.12558007

>>12557945
Their E-Mote is the best one in the entire visual novel companies. As for story they are using fantasy settings without going too deep, something like a moege in a fantasy world (Witch's Garden gone a little too deep in some parts though). Other than those they have cute heroines, cute art, not bad not good ost, and routes with themes and ichaichas. I personally like them, but cant recommend for everyone. Just try one of their games, if you like it most likely you will like others too. If you dont like, dont bother other than witch garden.

>> No.12558009

>>12558000
The twins are good in that, huh? I've been having a craving for a decent twins route recently, so maybe I'll try it.

>> No.12558019

>>12557525
has some loli connotations while not going full loli - the future?

>> No.12558033

>>12558019
>some loli connotations
Where?

>> No.12558044

>>12557945
They bore me quite a bit, they are moe but I don't think moe alone can carry a whole novel without comedy.

>> No.12558154

>>12557945
I liked the trap in happiness.

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>>12550800
>>12550805
So I started for a bit and I'm having a lot of fun, so far the main poster girl is very interesting. It helps that I'm a massive nerd when it comes to things related to space exploration, and there's a lot of fanservice for those in the know (as pictured), but they have a glossary explaining unfamiliar terms to newcomers and its rather easy to access.
Oddly, the imouto character is very well done. One of the few that don't get on my nerves. I'm sure someone will complain about the lack of a route for her because she's quite endearing.

>> No.12558239

>>12558231
as a someone who don't care (and don't really like) about space or rocket things, do you think I'd enjoy it? or is it just about rockets and shits like that?

>> No.12558246

>>12558239
>or is it just about rockets and shits like that?
I'm in my first route and it's a lot about rockets, extensive information on how to build them and how they operate.

>>12558231
>I'm sure someone will complain about the lack of a route for her because she's quite endearing.
I like that she doesn't have one, she behaves like a real little sister for the most part and his father would destroy the MC if he ever found out.

>> No.12558256

>>12558239
>>12558246
It surely is a lot about rockets so far, but the characters are likeable even without that aspect. Maybe if you take it like Natsuyuru, but I'm not sure yet.

>> No.12558267

>>12558256
When the club is formed and the MC starts learning about rockets and studying expect a shitton more of information.
Also I like how the route split is done, the summer tournament is called Four sections and each heroine is in charge of one, so the MC helps the heroine with her job for it, will probably make the routes way less repetitive even if the end goal is the same.

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>>12557945
Witch's garden was alright, and made me hopeful for future use of emote.

>> No.12558850

>>12558009
They don't have a route in the main game. Just the fandisk sadly.

On the flip side, they do show up a lot and whenever they do the game goes from meh to masterpiece.

>> No.12558859

>>12558231
Isn't this the one where the MC is really stupid and useless? That was a major letdown for me.

>> No.12558878

>>12558859
I've only read Kaho's route, but he was useful in there.
Also, he doesn't really feel like an idiot at all as a character. Having him be bad at school/rockets is pretty much an excuse for the other characters to explain rockets to the MC/you.

>> No.12558891

>>12558859
Yeah, he's not really stupid, simply ignorant and lazy. And it's as anon says. >>12558878

>> No.12558905

>>12558850
That's disappointing. I don't think I'm up to going through an entire game just to play a fandisc route. Maybe later.

In that case, anyone feel like suggesting a game with a good twins route?

>> No.12558930

>>12558905
Ren'ai 0 Kilometer if you want tons of comedy and a lighthearted, but surprisingly good story.

There's also the popular Yosuga no Sora.

>> No.12559018

>>12558905
The twins route in midori no umi was pretty good, but most of the others weren't that great.

>> No.12559122

>>12558930
>surprisingly good story.

There was a story?

>> No.12559236

>>12559122
>*setting

Whatever you want to call it.

>> No.12559334
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Anybody else playing this? It's not bad, but I feel like they tried to shoehorn too many settings/drama/traits into each character.

Especially the whole genius aspect...I'm several hours in and so far there's 4 super genius characters.

>> No.12559377

>>12558930
>Ren'ai 0 Kilometer
The twins have separate routes in this game, right? I was more looking for ones with a shared route. I do plan on playing this sometime regardless, though.
>Yosuga no Sora
Already read it, but thanks.

>>12559018
Is it the sort of game where you play a couple routes and skip the rest, or is there a true end or something?

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>>12559377
Locked routes and true ending, though as the other anon said the game isn't that great otherwise. Particularly annoying for me was how it toted itself as a mystery game then went out of its way to spoil the mystery for the player at every possible turn, f.ex. the god damn opening video clearly shows the culprit in the act, the character routes you can hit during middle chapters reveal a lot more than some of the latter ones etc.

I dropped the game when accidentally hitting true route when I hadn't even gone through half the other heroines, but yeah the twins were kind of cute. Actually made me hope for more non-nukige shared twins / sisters routes as well.

>> No.12559425

>>12559421
Even though I played the game, I don't even remember what that whole mansion ordeal was about.

Still a good read and the soundtrack was great.

>> No.12559432

>>12559421
OP spoilers are my favorite thing ever.
I mean they just saved me who knows how many hours of my time. It's not like I was looking forward to reading something or anything, no sir.

>> No.12559438

>>12559425
Yeah, the game had its moments and the soundtrack and art in general were great but I found the mystery bits to be really underwhelming towards the end and some of the route resolutions were pretty disappointing.
Not a terribly bad game, but definitely not something that left an impression on me.

>> No.12559509

>>12559438
I think the main problem was that they were trying to be a little too ambitious with a somewhat inexperienced writer.

>> No.12559550

>>12547211
Alice

>> No.12559552
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Can anyone rec a new VN for me?
>preferably linux
>if not, should be easily emulated or run in Wine (usually XP era/light on the graphics)
>i like cute shit over muh deep lore
It's been hard to find stuff for me recently.

>> No.12559558

>>12559552
Post your VNDB or EGS profile so we can see what you've read already.

>> No.12559561

>>12559552
I'll "rec" that you use a better OS and stop using greentext for things other than quotations. I'll also "rec" that you go to /vg/ because you sound like a peasant.

>> No.12559567

>>12559552
Gravity Falls VN when

>> No.12559568

>>12559561
#rec'd

>> No.12559572

>>12559558
I'm game for anything cute.

>> No.12559599

I've been going through the Yami no Koe series, and I just got through most of Ibunroku. The only thing that bothers me is that there are no guides on how to complete these games 100% in English. Anyone know of a place that might have Japanese guides for the games?

>> No.12559607
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>>12559552

>> No.12559623

>>12558905
You could try この大空に、翼をひろげて or ココロ@ファンクション.

>> No.12559683

>>12559599
I just downloaded the save data after going through each one a few times. You can try googling a kouryaku if you're really set on completing the games yourself, but I don't see much of a point when there's almost no text outside of the ero scenes.

>> No.12559696

>>12559683
Thanks for the advice. I was mainly trying to find strategies for the management parts of them so that I can get all of the characters before running out of time, especially on the second game. Plus I can't find out how to get one final gem on Ibunroku and I'm not sure if I got locked out of it somehow.

>> No.12559749

>>12559623
I've heard good things about この大空に、翼をひろげて and the twins look pretty cute. I guess I'll do that next. Thanks.

>> No.12559757

>>12559749
この大空に、翼をひろげて is boring. I definitely don't recommend it. It's pure slice of life with practically no comedy or drama. But it's probably perfect if you like pure slice of life, though.

>> No.12559763

>>12559757
I'm fine with pure slice of life if it's done well. If it's not, I guess I can always just do the twins and then drop it.

>> No.12559827

>>12559763
The twins' route is the worst, though. I like Kotori's the most, and maybe Amane.

I can't even believe I played through all of it.

>> No.12559852

>>12559763

I second >>12559827, the twin routes were crap.

>> No.12559872

>>12559827
>>12559852
Really? You thought it was worse than Ageha's route?

Though I do agree with Amane's being better.

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>>12559763
Just play clover days, it has one of best twin route. Also you can play Motto nee,chanto shiyo yo for twins as well.

>> No.12559919

>Twins

http://vndb.org/v1439

You're welcome.

>> No.12560007

>>12559919
I don't like the people on vndb.

>> No.12560088
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http://www.cosmiccute.com/products/cc3rdproject/

>> No.12560118

>>12560007
http://vndb.org/t927
Me neither.

>> No.12560157

>>12560088
I hope they use the artist of Lovesick Puppies and the writer of Gleam Garden no Shoujo.

>> No.12560172

>>12559872
Right. Ageha. Her route was pretty terrible as well. I don't know. Ageha's route and the twins' route were both so bad I don't even want to think about exactly how bad they are.

>> No.12560473

>>12560088
I want my Ayano route.

>> No.12560820

>>12560473
Me too.....

>> No.12560850

>>12559552
>>12559607
A great majority of VNs run flawlessly in Linux (Wine) nowadays. You won't be able to use a text hooker though, if you're into that.

>> No.12560856

>>12558231
>I'm sure someone will complain about the lack of a route for her because she's quite endearing.
I'd bet they do this intentionally so people ask for a FD. Kind of like intentionally not playing one of your most popular songs in a gig so people ask for an encore.

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Do you think there's any chance it'll actually come out this year as promised?

>> No.12561040

>>12561001
No....

>> No.12561042
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>>12561001
Right along with the other ones.

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>>12561001
>>12561042
Of course, along with the one even your average /jp/sie knows about.

>> No.12561115

>>12561001
Somebody posted, a few threads back, an interview where Scaji said the game is not coming this year.

>> No.12561123

>>12561115
Eh, not knowing that one could at least have hopes.

>> No.12561139

>>12561123
Hopes and dreams will always abandon you in the end.

>> No.12561214

新作エロゲを買いませんか? (2014年10月版)
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24623337

>> No.12561247

>>12561115
He didn't outright confirm that, but he said there was still a bunch left to write so it's pretty safe to assume it won't be out this year, especially considering things he's said on Twitter about being behind schedule.

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>オススメ!!
I laughed. First time I've seen an official popularity poll blatantly recommend one of the choices.

>> No.12561562

>>12561214
武想少女隊ぶれいど☆ブライダーズ
月に寄りそう乙女の作法2

Neither seem particularly good.

>> No.12561572

>>12561562
月に寄りそう乙女の作法2 got Jackson's seal of approval in his twitter account

>> No.12561587

>>12561572
Would you really expect him to say that a game by his own company is shit?

>> No.12561628

>>12561587
He made a twitter account with his own name specifically because he didn't want to advertise shit 24/7.
And he didn't do it for any other game

>> No.12561642

>>12561214
運命線上のΦ and 箱庭ロジック look like they might be nice. The last Cabbit game I read was kind of bad but I guess I'm willing to give them another chance.

>> No.12561774
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>awkward idiot trying to help a literal crazy girl with bad ideas
This is not what I signed up for.

>> No.12561779

>>12561774
Then play one of the game's better routes. Both of Takashi's routes are f*cking stupid.

>> No.12561785

>>12561779
But I feel bad skipping routes in a scenario-ge. At least Takashi is the only shitty character. Besides Youji.

>> No.12562072
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12562072

So what was so fucked up about the green haired nurse's route in Kiminazo? I can't be bothered playing any more of this game.

>> No.12562172
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Isn't this our classic easy mode byword?

>> No.12562175

>>12562072
She ass fucks you and has you turn into a genderqueer postop trannie.

>> No.12562177

>>12562172
Cute.

>> No.12562179

>>12559550

I got that, but I was fairly certain their winter animation was different. It keeps happening though so I guess not.

>> No.12562187

>>12561774
Can you spoil me her router?

>> No.12562192

>>12562072
>playing Kiminazo
>who am I quoting

Seriously though, I've yet to see anyone praising it.

>> No.12562227

>>12562192
Waaaaay back in the day, I remember the anime always being in the top rankings on various anime listing sites.

I remember giving both the anime and VN a try and they were both absolute shit. Made me lose a bit of faith in humanity.

>> No.12562228

>>12562192
The Japs love it. Like, really love it.
And they tend to have better taste than weeaboos. I need to play it but I've been putting it off on account of its length.

>> No.12562233

>>12562192
It's Muv Luv without mecha and beta.

>> No.12562342

>>12562233
That's just Muv-Luv, anon.
What you mean to say is that it's Muv-Luv with shoehorned drama.

>> No.12562361

>>12562342
Did you just imply that "you must remember that we played when kids but if i say anything whole deal is void" is not "shoehorned drama"?

>> No.12562367

>>12562361
Amplify that by a love triangle and you got shoehorned drama.

>> No.12562373

>>12562342
>Muv-Luv with shoehorned drama.
That's just Muv-Luv.

>> No.12562378

>>12562342
>Muv-Luv with shoehorned drama

That's literally Muv-Luv, damn it! And many other games, yeah, but really.

>> No.12562380

>>12562367
But there was love triangle in Muv-Luv.

>> No.12562393

>>12562373
>>12562378
>>12562380
All Muv-Luv endings are quite happy-go lucky and the non-route girls take the MC's choice pretty nonchalantly. Not so in Kiminozo.

>> No.12562698

Do you need to read the whole Grisaia no Kajitsu before moving on to Meikyuu and Rakuen?

I've only done Amane, Sachi and Makina's route. Too lazy to read other routes.

>> No.12562701
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12562701

>>12561042
Never heard of the top left one, but upon some searching.

http://kanso.seesaa.net/article/11183242.html
・Windows用アドベンチャーゲームらし。
・18禁ものらし。
・企画・原案・原画は小梅けいとらし。
・シナリオは星空めておらし。
・ネコミミものらし。
・タイトルは「非人類惑星征服物語 コンキスタドール(CONQUISTADOR)」というらし。

But oh well...
https://twitter.com/s_nitro/status/391601492957736960
>世界征服~謀略のズヴィズダー~、星空めてお氏がいるわけだけどコレはお蔵入りだった非人類惑星征服物語 コンキスタドールの形をなした姿なのかしら?

Might have been interesting.

>> No.12562738
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12562738

>>12559334
Playing it right now. Only around 45 mins in though.

>> No.12562741

>>12562701
I don't know about that... Zvezda had an inherently different feel than what Conquistador gives off in the end.

>> No.12562748

>>12562698
Preferably yes, plus Kajitsu was the best of the games in my opinion. I don't remember how much Yumiko's situation plays in the later games but at least do Michiru's route. Her route isn't essential to the major plot or anything like that but many of the later dialogue won't make any sense if you don't know about her split personality.

If you really want to, you can skip all the non-canon After Routes and extra scenes in Meikyuu and just read the Grand Route which is unlocked from the get-go, then play Rakuen after finishing that.

>> No.12562770

>>12562748
Hmm, okay. I guess I'll clear the rest of Kajitsu before moving to Meikyuu.
Thanks for the input.

>> No.12562778

>>12562748
> you can skip all the non-canon After Routes
I wouldn't advice doing this.
I've read Caprice first, and then there was that cliffhanger so I immediately went for Rakuen, and after Rakuen afterstories just didn't work and I managed to finish only Makina and Sachi.

>> No.12562828
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12562828

>>12562778
Yeah, but if he's itching to get to the action faster and doesn't care much for more SOL and humor scenes with the heroines the After Routes can be skipped since they're non-canon extras and have no bearing on the main plot. Of course if he's planning on 100% completing the games then the major stories should be obviously saved for last.

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12562972

>>12561042

>> No.12567087

Anyone here got experience with android VNs?

黄昏のシンセミア crashes at clicking start (after downloading all of the resources)

and 俺の彼女はヒトでなし crashes after the first scene (after you see the girl on the vacume).

Both of these games appear to be working on the same engine (resource downloading was identical).

Is there anything I can do?

>> No.12567436

>>12567087
no

>> No.12567478

New thread: >>12567472

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