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I have to agree on Fusuma, but Maruchira is another good option. Their stories don't break the "canon", but are really interesting, presenting possibilities for events that have been left unclear.
Fuantei is another good option, when they're being serious. Thank You Cirno was just great.

It took me a little while to realize that you're not actually dissing Don Rosa.

>>1248620 It took me a little while to realize that you're not actually dissing Don Rosa.

What the heck are you on? Don Rosa is fucking awesome.

>>1248593 I have to agree on Fusuma, but Maruchira is another good option. Their stories don't break the "canon", but are really interesting, presenting possibilities for events that have been left unclear.

I'd like to add that being strictly canon is not what I had meant here. That is, limiting the characters to a few distinct setups they appear in the games.

What I meant was building on the setting but aiming for something greater. If you have to break the 'canon' to do that, so be it - as long as you get what your story accomplishes what it's aiming for or even moves the audience (god forbid that being possible, but Rosa has done that and so has Underwater Fireworks).

As is, Thank You Cirno was way too sappy for me. I actually enjoyed Fuantei a lot more when he was being just bollocks, like in Genius 9.

I'll take a peek at Maruchira.

>>1248593
Funatei is versatile as hell. He could do both comedy serious stories with relatively good results.

>>1248624
>As is, Thank You Cirno was way too sappy for me. I actually enjoyed Fuantei a lot more when he was being just bollocks, like in Genius 9.
Well, see, now we're just coming out down to plain tastes now. I personally think Chado sucks, but I think Fuantei is great because of how versatile he is. Comedy is something he could do, but he can do serious stuff with equal or greater results.

>>1248633

Good thread so far, not seen a discussion thread that doesn't resort to 'which Touhou would you fuck' or 'so moe~' for a change.

Anyway, on topic why do you think Chado sucks? I don't have any problem with people saying it but it would be nice to get a solid opinion about him.

Personally I like most of his work, admittedly he's not my favourite but I do tend to keep a lot of his stuff to read again instead of discarding it like many of the others when I'm done. I like the extreme angle he takes on many of the characters, often offering a different way to look at it (though I can understand why this would annoy people). He also does some really good expressions, but I'll admit his sketchy style can make it hard to tell what the hell is actually going on in the action. I'd like him a lot more if it was cleaner, but for the moment it's just part of what you come to expect from him.

Oddly, his take on Yukari is slowly growing on me. I didn't like it at first, but now the story is kind of shaping up it's interesting.

As for others, yeah. After that it's hard to say, FLIPFLOPs is probably my favourite for both art and writing, though I've enjoyed some of the others much more because of the emotions they have or the jokes they tell... but I'd probably still return to FLIPFLOPs for making Touhou action really work in comic form.

>>1248647
>I like the extreme angle he takes on many of the characters, often offering a different way to look at it (though I can understand why this would annoy people). He also does some really good expressions, but I'll admit his sketchy style can make it hard to tell what the hell is actually going on in the action.
A lot of the stuff requires me to suspend too much belief for it to be likable. When it comes to Touhou doujins, each person really has a threshold for the characters, that each doujin artist can work freely in with good results. It's easily possible to have a good deal of variation (from canon) in the character as long as you present it properly. However, crossing that line simply makes the doujin nonsensical to the reader.

Then again, it could be because I don't like the mindless action or the bad story.

Also, hate to break it to you, but...
>Good thread so far, not seen a discussion thread that doesn't resort to 'which Touhou would you fuck' or 'so moe~' for a change.
You're probably only talking to two different people in this whole thread.

On another note, Hot Dog Chuck's entry into the Bowl of Mayohiga is great. Too bad all his other stuff sucks.

>>1248647
I really dislike Chado's work. Like you said, everything he does is extreme and has DBZ rage rubbed all over it. While this wouldn't be that bad normally, he also happens to portrait every character I like to be far weaker than what they should be (Remilia, Yukari, Flandre) and every character I don't really like or care for as total badasses (Yuka especially, Suika, fucking wriggle).
So I guess a mix of bad luck on the character choices and the transition from Danmaku to Kamehameha is why I dislike Chado.

Though he did make Yuyuko pretty badass in Wriggle vs SDM, I'll give him that. And only that.

>>1248647

I think it's only us three posters here, because the WALLS OF TEXT scared everyone else away.

> Anyway, on topic why do you think Chado sucks?

I personally like Chado, but I've heard a lot of rather reasonable critique on him from other people. Mostly, people are against his style of drawing action, it's messy and focuses more on everyone posing as cool as they can get instead of portraying the momentum. Like bad yankee comics.

Another thing (which, for me, is a bonus but for others, a minus) is the way he's really stuck on the power levels. Everything in Chados's work has to be EPIC and after that, it has to be even more EPIC. Worlds shatter, bodies pile up in heaps, the monsters are colossal and our youkai girlies are cutting them up into bloody mist.

It's so over the top I could believe people have issues with it. But then again. Chado can make anyone or anything bad-ass. Just take a peek left.

>>1248633

I read the Maruchira's comics available in gensokyo.org ftp (Kitten Girl and Why Did She Leave the Miniature Garden). You were right, they were awesome, heartwarming, funny and they kept it all together. Definitely another artist to look forward to.

>>1248676
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In short, when I made the opening post, that was one of the things I wanted to ask. Which doujins would be good comics even if Touhou wasn't a factor for you?
It would have been loads easier to just say that and, "Which Touhou doujin group is the best?"

>>1248676
these walls of text are scary indeed

>>1248676
>In short, when I made the opening post, that was one of the things I wanted to ask. Which doujins would be good comics even if Touhou wasn't a factor for you?
It would have been loads easier to just say that and, "Which Touhou doujin group is the best?"

But Chado can do moe too, guys!

>>1248647
So moe~ I would fuck a Touhou.

>>1248689

>>1248683
> It would have been loads easier to just say that and, "Which Touhou doujin group is the best?"

Yes, but that would have included the groups that are all about the moe pandering, shipping wars and such - and do it well. I wanted to hear what people think about the more ambitious stories.

If you ask "what doujin group is the best", you have to mention Tako, Happy Flame Time, Sougetsu-Tei or KFC or whatever where it's just about the best laughs or the most mind-shattering moe.

Nothing bad in that, but what about something else, eh?

>where it's just about the best laughs or the most mind-shattering moe.

What was that about Hole of Yago?

>>1248658

Fair enough, though personally I wouldn't go so far as to say bad story... but then maybe my standards aren't high enough as I'm not expecting literary genius from a translated doujin. Still, I can see where you are coming from when it comes to his empathise on action (especially in the X vs. X ones) along with a rather extreme take on each characters personality.

I'd say my tolerance is pretty high when it comes to each artist's interpretation of each character. If I can at least see where they are coming from with it I don't mind them taking liberties with the character's personalities to a degree, so long as it can make some sense on some level. I might enjoy Koumakyou for example because the idea of Reimu as a natural law in Gensoyko amused me enough to put up with how ridiculous and cheesy it was. However, with something like Aya Kiss... yeah, past my tolerance on that one.

That said, I have to admit, the ongoing plot with Yukari and Ran in Tohonifun started out way beyond what I'd normally put up with and I only read it once until later when it started piecing together into something which is getting interesting. It's far from perfection but I suppose I like the story on it's own in the same way I don't take Sayakata Tea Mansion's 'Red Sky of Japonesia' too seriously but enjoyed it enough to keep on its own. They are interesting in of themselves and at least keep some semblance of the characters they use.

>>1248711

I've come to really love some of Ennui_Akadako's work, specifically Charming Border of Life. Mostly because of the expressions and situations he does.

>>1248753

no~
rea~ son~

>>1248647

Another anonymous here. Also I think Chado sucks, since girls covered in bloody mist just isn't INTERESTING. The only Chado comic I really liked was the one that contained conversations with Kaguya about her arrogance.

And I'll go with OP here. FLIPFLOPs and Underwater Fireworks / Fusuma Teahouse / whatever he's called is good. Though I really do like Tako also, even though he/she clearly cannot shand on his/her own. Mossarisms is the best Töhö doujin.

I also just read Maruchira's Kitten Girl and it was ausum. I just love it when Ran is portrayed as a soccer mom.

>>1248778
>I just love it when Ran is portrayed as a soccer mom.
I prefer a healthier balance. It's why I liked Hot Dog Chuck's entry so much.

Goddamn it, someone needs to tell him to make more good stuff.

>>1248783
> I prefer a healthier balance. It's why I liked Hot Dog Chuck's entry so much.

I reread Bowl of Mayohiga just now.

There was only one exceptional story in that, and this being the main one running in the beginning and in the end.

But it was beautiful.

>>1248867

I could have sworn the art was different when I read this. Did Ran give Chen her own bowl before or after Chen broke Ran's bowl?

>>1248867
In b4 "I want to lick Yukari's eye brows"

>>1248879
>>1248879
I know you're probably not going to read this, but I fell asleep.

She gave the bowl to Chen before she broke Ran's bowl.

>>1250563
It'd good that you bumped it, this is a good thread anyway.

And I only read the doujin in the OP last night, so thanks for that OP.

>>1248888
Fuck you, mister!