/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>12404367
vocadb.net this site is awesome

http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=325866

>>12404394
Sweet, I'll check it out.

>>12404394
Have to agree with this anon.

>>12404367
Check out songs by 無力P and Evillious Project. That's two things I really love.

Also, I am starting to like any videoclip based on Hitoshizuku-P's songs. Like the Night ∞ Series and Party x Party.

That's some healthy Miku you got there OP.

>>12404367
http://pastebin.com/PB3dTd4Q should get you started. The /mu/ dump's quite helpful too

>>12404785
Sorry, I'm American.

Clean Tears has been my favorite so far since they know how to sync the voices well. Not a huge fan of the songs that sound fake that even a deaf autistic kid can distinguish.

>>12405214
Melt was one of my favorites, not sure if that gives an indication of my preferences.

>>12405223
melt is a pretty good song but most supercell stuff i think is very boring and generic and sometimes straight up bad
here are some artists i like maybe give them a try idk
sasakure.UK
pinocchio-p
kamome sano
powapowa-p
kikuo
nekobolo
more of a remix artist but iti kura

why is it always miku?

people are seriously missing out when they limit themselves to just miku

>>12405656
oh shit i forgot lamaze-p
his stuff might be good to start with if you're looking for something poppy and accessible like most project diva stuff
his later stuff has amazing tuning on the voices too
mitchie m does too
>>12405666
i don't think anyone decides "Hm yes im only ever going to listen to music made with this one specific voice synthesizer" they just maybe arent aware that there are vocaloids other than miku or that the voice used really doesn't matter

>>12405666
I listen to other stuff. I like Miku because of reasons.
I like Sonic music because I played the stages hundreds of times, most of the Miku music I like are tracks from the Project Diva games.
For stuff with lyrics, I like tons of stuff from artists that do anime ops and eds.

Talent Shredder

>i don't think anyone decides "Hm yes im only ever going to listen to music made with this one specific voice synthesizer"

Nope, I know people exactly like this, Shits fucking gay.

http://vocadb.net/Ar/327
Everything by this guy is great. My personal favorite is Immature world.

try camellia

bump

list of tracks i've rated five in foobar with youtube/nicovideo search links

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10k_XzwSf-48Wl7KBiQbSeBMH0r2RfVunQdyUv8R4CiE/edit?usp=sharing

>>12404367

Here's are some of my personal faves.

Centrifugal by LV. 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1bgaSOFK2E

Just about anything from Hiroyuki Oda but just to list a few:
Unfragment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsiMx8D45ZM

Youthful Days Graffiti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMokc79w918

Then there's Wahiko/Arial Flow:

Cold Leaf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phrlth-dF9Q

Lost You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAUrWsr3nbo

Hope these help!

My favourite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z1liG6kf8I

I'm a fan of 40mp myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvloc5qYUBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBszyXUUYnE

Nekobolo is also very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tu8BBFLAlQ

>>12404367
Utsu-P is the answer.

>>12416876
have you heard 宇宙人のアイラビュー from his latest album? it's my favourite track, narrowly. I still think of Rin first when Utsu-P is invoked.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5463116

Mikgazer is one of the best albums I've ever heard. Especially the 11th song.

>>12404367
This largely depends on the genre of music you like. But going to vocadb.net and sorting all albums by ratings and listening to the crossfade would get you some very good idea of what you like.

>>12405163
I've listened to nearly every album here and I can say that this list if very hit and miss, you have very popular and solid producers like Jin, Mitchie M, JimmyThumbP and then some more obscure albums which are either suprisingly good or bland and forgettable.

I'm a fan of Utsu-P, Wintermute and Clean Tears myself. Two albums that are also worth a listen are Hatsune Miku plays Moonriders, Gumi Goes Pop and Mikgazer.

As far as vocaloid is concerned, since its all very varied, it's hard to recommend anything particular without knowing tastes. I don't particularly like AKB48 style pop so I tend to avoid most of the weeb vocaloid stuff.

Age

>>12405656
pinocchio-p is godlike taste, I love obscure questions the whole album is fantastic

bump

>>12404778
Akuno-P can't tune for shit.

AVTechNO! is god tier ultrapatriciancore

>>12432852
ultrapatriciancore?

Anyway, I really like his "Lust Doll" and he uploaded an interesting orchestral-sounding Luka song just a bit ago:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24348718

>>12406904

and y0c1e

Yeah, it's hard to find good stuff. Most things out there are technoshit with a random "lyric" on it just to excuse using Vocaloid software.

>>12437390
You don't know what you're talking about. Techno is not at all one of the most common vocaloid genres. Rock songs are far and away the most common. A good number of these are generic / uninspired / crappy but that's to be expected. Vocaloid music is no exception to Sturgeon's Law. The good stuff is not that hard to find.

Melt is probably the song that really got me into Vocaloid.

wowaka, Deco*27, and PinocchioP are the ones that I've been listening to a lot lately.

>>12438667

Not him and I can't say for certain what is the most common genre but I got to say that Techno is up there among the most common genres.

>>12437390
>>12439666
not trying to go full autist or sound like a dick in the process but 'techno' is not the right term. techno is actually a genre of music on its own.

dance music would be the kind of stuff you'd hear in nightclubs. it's comprised of electronic sampling, optionally vocals and almost always uses the 4/4 time signature since obviously it's made for dancing to. then you have pop music, which is what you actually meant. pop can be electronic but almost always contains a traditional instrument, as well as vocals, and uses many different time signatures.

both dance & pop are umbrella terms for a slew of different genres, but techno is not a term used for anything but the different sub-styles of techno. pop music happens to include pop rock, which does account for some of the releases that are normally thought of as simply 'rock music'. it's sometimes hard to define the lines between genres which is why most people generally don't like to talk about this sort of thing or cringe at the thought of it, but please at least understand the fundamentals.

i've heard one vocaloid album that could be described as minimal techno https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6FFrag3b84 while i've heard hundreds that could be described as dance music, and thousands that are without a doubt pop music. pop music is much more common than rock when it comes to vocaloid, because it technically envelops a wider variety of sounds than rock does. i'll leave now.

>>12442072
Agreed except for the last part where you said pop is more common than rock.

Rock is the most common, as I said. I have watched the weekly vocaloid rankings for years, and it's simply true. There aren't any 3rd party sources I can cite, but if you watch for yourself then you too will see that rock is the most common genre.

>>12442315
i'll take that since i was only going by vocaloid music i personally download, which is pretty much limited to whatever people are willing to share.

>>12416876
I've always preferred his older stuff like Sleep Walk and Counter Culture but can't seem to find any albums other than Moksha and Horseplay.

Is there any source for more of his work?
For your trouble: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScQjaSluv8

Can you guys recommend me some good Luka artists?
yu-go is my favorite, pic related

Mitchie M

>>12446712

overrated

tries to tune Miku so that she sounds like "an idol"

>>12446754
but dat groove...

>>12446754
But she's a virtual diva.

>>12446805

tries too hard to tune her like a "real 3d idol"

>>12442072

Oh, no, I'm aware that technically techno is only a subgenre on the electronic dance music spectrum. I used the term loosely.

"Tunts-tunts" in general lack soul, they don't make a composition. The inclusion of lyrics are void of commitment to the passing of a sensation/message, being solely a vehicle for 1-2-3-4 club steps.

Please note I have no quarrel with synthesized instruments. There are infinite forms of using only "electronic" sounds and still creating a composition - those are specially enjoyable since they escape from the cage of the natural sounds. Deviations are great and ultimately are what allowed music to evolve and propagate in first place.

My preferred context of Vocaloid usage are when they are inserted as an actual singer - be it with natural intruments, synthesized or a mix of them. I'd guess they appear "tagged" mostly as pop, rock and jazz.

>>12447112
>"Tunts-tunts" in general lack soul, they don't make a composition. The inclusion of lyrics are void of commitment to the passing of a sensation/message, being solely a vehicle for 1-2-3-4 club steps.

That's something of a disputable oversimplification, but even taking your characterization at face value doesn't mean it's bad music.

Your perspective seems to consider music in an empathetic or didactic sense, as conveying a feeling or a message. Other people enjoy music more for its structural qualities. Feelings and messages are not as important to them.

Aside from electronic and Vocaloid music, I also favour Indian classical genres and baroque music. These put more emphasis on a musical piece as a structure of repeating and varying motifs that is appreciated more in the abstract rather than connected with deeply on an emotional level. For instance, Indian classical compositions often have nonsense lyrics. Many baroque works are not even meant to evoke anything and they are called by their structure e.g. "Canon in D." Similarly, in indian tradition many semi-improvisational works are known simply as "Rag(a) <name of the key used>."

Is music for finding oneself or losing oneself? Should music teach a lesson or is the music itself the lesson?

Anyone have opinions on the newer vocaloids like vFlower and Rana?

vFlower has an interesting voice type. I think it's true what many of the NND comments say, that she sounds like a boy sometimes. i don't have a problem with that though.

Rana's voice seems a bit more generic or in line with other popular voicebanks. She sounds like some mix of IA, Rin and Miku.

Is she like japan's Taylor swift?

>>12450519
what is a Taylor swift?

http://mikudb.moe/

I wanna play Project Diva f 2nd but don't know if I should wait til the localized ver comes out in Nov. Should I wait for just get a Jap copy now?

>>12455609
I got the limited edition Vita, so I'll just end up getting the Jap version to keep things consistent.

>>12455609
If you want to buy the DLC it's probably easier to just wait for the localized version.

>>12455609
>>12455936
Gamestop are offering the Neru/Haku/Teto character pack + Americana Miku module as a pre-order bonus, however according to a blog post by Sega, you'll get this character pack for free if you already own Project Diva F for PS3 or Vita.

http://blogs.sega.com/2014/08/11/hatsune-miku-project-diva-f-2nd-release-date-pre-order-bonus/

If you already own F, and want to pre-order F 2nd, it'd be smarter to get it from Amazon since their pre-order bonus includes two extra live songs from the Magical Mirai 2013 concert. Shipping also seems to be free on Amazon whereas shipping for Gamestop will only be free if you choose to pick it up from one of their stores. So if you order from Amazon you will not have to shower, comb your neckbeard, spray on Axe, iron your cape, or hide your bald spot with a fedora just to ask the female Gamestop employee for your Chinese cartoon music game.

http://www.amazon.com/Hatsune-Miku-Project-Diva-2nd-PlayStation/dp/B00JSSP35W

>>12457898
I'm really confused about this preorder stuff, if I live in europe and want the most bonuses, should I try to preorder on the murrican gamestop? I need a shipping service for that, right?

>>12450444
vFlower is probably my favourite vocaloid right now. I love the androgyny.

>>12457979
Wait, I somehow missed the part about amazon, nevermind me.

>>12457979
Unlike its North American counterpart, amazon.co.uk doesn't list any pre-order bonuses at all, which is a shame and sort of bullshit considering the bonuses are purely digital. If you do decide you want the pre-order bonus songs, you'll have to order from amazon.com but keep in mind non-US citizens are exempt from free shipping.

Neither game.co.uk nor gamestop.co.uk have PDF 2nd listed. Paying to have it shipped from US with a pre-order bonus (which may make you spend more; the identical character pack for F costs around $5 on PSN), or buying it without the bonuses and getting free shipping are your only options.

I feel bad for you m8

>>12457979
vFlower has a bit of Len and Teto in her voice, but it's a distinctive voice type. She's not that realistic, at least going by the tuning that producers have come out with so far. I don't mind that; I like vocaloids to sound like vocaloids and not exactly like human singers.

Her character design is really pretty. She has that likeable flamboyance without looking like another Crypton-loid.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24399674

>>12455609
>>12455936
>>12457898
>>12458041

As an European vita owner this is suffering.

>>12458041
>Unlike its North American counterpart, amazon.co.uk doesn't list any pre-order bonuses at all, which is a shame and sort of bullshit considering the bonuses are purely digital. If you do decide you want the pre-order bonus songs, you'll have to order from amazon.com but keep in mind non-US citizens are exempt from free shipping.

But if you're European you won't be able to get the DLC with the American version.
Why is this so fucking complicated, it just makes me angry.

>>12466863
Do you mean if you purchase an import and you cant download the dlc from another psn store? and it not working because of a version difference?

I had a friend who edited the dlc files for a JP based DLC and had it work in a PAL region game. No idea how, he's a wizard programmer.

>>12467094

You can easily create another PSN account in a different region. All you need is a second memory card and about 10 minutes. Annoying, to be certain, but one can still import easily enough.

>>12466863
How come it doesn't work? I don't know anything about these sorts of things. The last game I bought that had DLC was GTAV and the DLC code came on a sheet of paper inside the case. If PDF 2nd was doing the same thing I'd see no reason why it wouldn't work, but if they're not, well, I guess you're boned and Sega hates you.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1410265884

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24362563

good new song from Clean Tears not getting enough views. It's catchy and miku's tuning is great. This is the kind of miku I could listen to for days.

>>12405666
satan speaks truth anons
miku is admittedly my third favorite
next come Rin (preferably without len)
Gumi top tier

>>12472387
Len, Miku, then Flower
GUMI a shit (O.K. not really, but she's not one of my favorites)

>>12472387
>>12472556
IA > Gumi > Miku > SF-A2 miki > Rin > rest

>>12472332

Whats your favorite Clean Tears song?

My favorite is probably a tie between:

Koiuta
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16540589

To Be Style
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15467645

>>12472880
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm14660740

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24438970

I have levels in nihongo but I still have no fucking clue what this means. The song lives up to the previous chapters though and the PV is great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF0hEzsZHBE

>>12472604
S-So does anyone else like Lily?

>>12482940
I like her, she's just not one of my favourites. I like most vocaloids.

niki does a good job with Lily

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bySdc3gn1a2wJqDbVUtugzweRnAB67RS9PDRVqx_MZ0/edit?usp=sharing