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Anyone mind explaining Maria's immunity when they battled against Shanon?

>>12341338
Umi-no-ko
Get fucked

D'lanor a cute
Erika a sexy

I liked Umineko EP1 for its atmosphere. Seriously, that sense of despair and mystic was top notch. Too bad the mystery was stupid. Ten Little Niggers and even Higurashi was better in that account.

>>12341338

>>12342835
Ballin'

>>12342822

Ok, so lets back to this discussion.

I said that Umineko mystery was fishy, with this silly "multiple personality" explanation. But some are still defending this.

I can understand, that Toya can be treated as a different person than a Battler, even if they share the same body.

But Yasu is a fucking, walking multiple personality, that have a switch inside. And with this switch he can change personality or kill them at will. This is just stupid.

Let's get back to this Battler closed room from 6 episode.
So, Kanon escaped as Shannon, from this second room. This can pass. BUT. Kanon goes inside the room, walk to the closet and fucking what?

BAM

I am now Shannon, so red text about Kanon not being inside can pass? What the fuck?
People were expecting some ACTUAL explanation, maybe plot twist, that will left people amazed. But this is cheap and silly.

Or is there a trick, that I dont understand?

Even so, why is R07 counting personalities as people, only when it's suitable for current situation? Because for example in ep3 Shannon and Kanon "personalities" were dead, but there was still LIVING body of Yasu/Beatrice whatever.

That is why this is fishy.
The moment, when you start treating multiple personalities of ONE human is a moment, when this stops being proper mystery.

And don't get me wrong, Umineko was enjoyable shit and I still think that whole story was good, but this mystery aspect failed hard and I am not surprised, that so many people started to hate Umineko after this.


But if you want to defend, explain, or show this in different light, I am open for this.
Because as I said, I really like Umineko so I will be glad, if there is just something, that I missed.

>>12343483
I dont have a good memory but I think it went Shannon>Kanon>Yasu
Kanon ceased to exist too in the end.

Gohda did it with small bombs.

>>12343929

>>12343483
remember that all that shit didn't happen because everything was done so ange could have a future.

nobody rescued battler ever, he lucked out by not getting killed and running away with eva and yasu

Eva didn't die. She faked her death to escape the Yamainu and began a new life under the name "Ikuko"

>>12343997
Man, stop, it's enough

>>12343955
Gohda is the true hero of Umineko.

>>12344063

>tfw there's no art of Magical Gohda wrecking Shkanon's boypussy

>>12343483
>>12344152

>>12344348

Please don't post thumbnails.

>>12341338
What a shame that such an about-face happened.

>>12344377
But anon, there is an answer.

>>12344377
Personally, I prefer it without a "single true answer." Higurashi lost something when it's catbox was opened.

i wish i could go back and kill r07 before he ruined everything

>>12349528
>I don't like -thing- so it is ruined

>>12349528
But Anon we wouldn't get WTC5 like that.

>>12344152
>>12350034
Who green?

so IS there somewhere translation of the last 3 chapters of EP 7 manga version?

Fuck, there is a lot more in depth explanation of every twillight made by Will, and this shit is nowhere translated or at least summary.

Nobody cares about Umineko anymore of fucking what

Same for ep 8 manga.

>>12349462
reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i9rVVH0bO8

>>12343483
>I said that Umineko mystery was fishy, with this silly "multiple personality" explanation. But some are still defending this.

It's not multiple personalities you twit.

So do people just like Umineko because of the music and the way it tries to be deep? The characters, story, mystery/fantasy aspects were all shit. So it's just the music?

>>12351524
So what is this?

>>12351249
You can just wait until Yen Press releases it in English: http://www.yenpress.com/umineko-when-they-cry/

>>12353697
So, in 2035?

>>12353719
Yen Press actually releases with regularity, unlike some translators. Going at the current rate EP7 should be out in 2017 and EP8 in 2018

>>12352535
>The characters, story, mystery/fantasy aspects were all shit.
Only mystery was shit. Characters was quite developed and beliveable. Story and atmosphere was good.

>>12353891
>characters were developed

Not all of them though. And about them being believable, I think that only applies to Gohda, Genji, Kumasawa, Hideyoshi. Story was shit, mystery was shit, Ange was shit, the atmosphere was only good because of the music. Rudolf didn't even get his own arc which disappointed me.

>>12354392
>Rudolf didn't even get his own arc which disappointed me.

You mean the gradual reveal of his negative aspects culminating with him being one the culprits wasn't enough?

>>12351249

>Nobody cares about Umineko anymore of fucking what

no, thats why i hate what r07 did, not because i didn't like it but because people got mad and nobody cares about it anymore.

>>12354561
He didn't get his own story arc the way other characters did. He was barely even fleshed out just like Hideyoshi.

I was hoping there would be more to his character. Him being the culprit in one of the gameboards just felt forced and stupid. Then there's implications of Rudolf turning on Kyrie/feeling guilty but that went nowhere of course. The author just sacrifices potential for edginess.

Does people actually believe that R07 won't release an extra episode to fix everything he fucked up? He released another higurashi already.

>show autistic cousin Umineko
>she thinks Battler was the autistic one and notices nothing odd about Maria

fucking autists, man.

>>12354851
Too bad those characters don't exist.

>>12354794
I'm hoping Ryukishi fixes everything but he has A LOT of fuck ups in Umineko. It might take a few extra episodes. Also, didn't he say in an interview he wanted to rewrite the whole thing anyway? If he does, Ange the bitch shouldn't be in it.

>>12355023
All he has to do is to write an episode with the events from Prime through the eyes of Yasu.

>>12354748
>Him being the culprit in one of the gameboards just felt forced and stupid.

He wasn't a culprit on any gameboards.

1st Episode of Umineko, tea party with Bern:

>"She does have the name Beatrice, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she is 'one individual woman'."

All the hints were there, all along.

>>12355128
He was.

>>12355234
Beatrice doesn't exist. Only Ange, Amakusa, Okonogi, Kasumi, the characters in the real world. Ushiromiya family and the witches are fake characters.

The story is basically:

There was an incident a long time ago, people make many theories about it. Ange in the real world eventually chooses to believe in the magic and love her family again.

All the scenes about mystery/fantasy were just filler nonsense which didn't matter in the end.

>>12354794
Even if Ryu wants to do an EP9 or a Rei for Umineko or whatever the fuck, it won't be happening for another couple of years (aka past the point anyone would care at all anymore) since his space project is what's coming up immediately after this new Higu game.

>>12355322
Not that anyone cares about Umineko anyway besides a few people on /jp/.

>>12355289
>chooses to believe in the magic
Wrong.

>>12355346
The animesuki crowd has been going strong for awhile, actually. Wasting their time coding Umineko fanfics in Renpy and actually scrapping and restarting them when they don't go well and devoting way more time to them than is necessary.

>>12355356
The magic is not literal magic and it's just hope. She chooses to believe in what her family was to get over the whole thing.

Either way, it was all a dream and nothing really happened besides Ange's thoughts on her family.

>>12355356
Didn't we collectively decide a long time ago not to respond to this guy?

>>12355390
There is no Umineko crowd anymore. Even the little fanbase it had stopped caring after the bad episodes.

I love how there are people justifying bad writing by fan theories that aren't stated in red/stated directly by the author.

Because of course, that makes everything okay.

>>12355401
>the fanbase stopped caring when the thing ended

Wow, what a fucking genious.

>>12355425
I said they stopped caring after the bad episodes. Which was WAY before the thing ended.

Wow, what a fucking genius.

>>12355398
We should make a list of signs of the Ange Troll:
>posts about everything being in Ange's head
>baiting about fan theories
>baiting about Higurashi being objectively better
>posts about how speculating about things in a series about speculation is pointless
>posts in almost immediate response to people replying to any of the above, agreeing with the poster and calling himself delusional

>>12355450
If that guy is a troll, why do you care so much? Why not talk about what makes Umineko good (characters, story) instead of showing how upset you are?

>>12355453
Ange troll please.

So if the manga re-adds that cut stuff from EP8, and we know that EP7 is basically what happened, then why are the 'who killed who' names still censored out? Are we supposed to think that there's a group of 3 adults like there's 3 people on team Yasu?

>>12355478
>no response

As expected.

>>12355484
Mystery/fantasy shit doesn't really matter in Umineko. Those things were done so poorly but also in an obnoxious and pretentious way. Ryukishi just tried so hard and he wasn't a good enough writer to deliver.

All that matters was love. (wow so DEEP)

>>12355277
>He was.

No he wasn't,

He was a culprit in the real Rokkenjima massacre.

>>12355698
see
>>12355450

>>12355698
He was a culprit at one point. Read the novel again if you forgot.

Which doesn't matter anyway because Ryukishi said fuck the mystery and fantasy, it was because of love. Also, everything is false until stated in red/stated by Ryukishi himself.

Nothing happened, and then the girl loves her family again!

What an amazing story! Brilliant writing, so deep!

>>12355346
>>12355401

Not at all true. Umineko is still one of the most, if not the most, popular VNs on r/visualnovels.

>>12356799
I'll let others call you a retard for using reddit as a reference, but you know... Fuwanovel doesn't give a shit about Umineko, mostly, and it's pretty much the biggest EOP community in the west.

>#8

Can you circlejerking fuccbois who like this kusoge fuck off back to /a/ where you used to post instead of trying to force this shit here on /jp/? Thanks.

>>12356822

Alexa.com site popularity ranking:

>fuwanovel.org
>Rank in United States: 113,158

>reddit.com
>Rank in United States: 18

Also, fuwanovel is primarily a piracy site before being a community discussion site.

>>12356844
Don't you think you've forgotten one or two crucial facts in your argument?

>>12356844
And for a more fair comparison:

I go to the Fuwanovel VN talk forum, and 8 users are currently browsing it.

I go to reddit's r/visualnovels subreddit, and 52 users are currently browsing it.

r/visualnovels is a VN community 6.5 times the size of Fuwanovel. Checkmate.

>/r/visualnovels
>Fuwanovel

Meanwhile in communities that actually matter:

http://kyarasokuhou.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-529.html
http://i.imgur.com/EaDocI5.png

>>12356870
>Meanwhile in communities that actually matter:

Sorry, I don't put much stock in the opinions of a bunch of 萌え豚

>>12356891
Yeah, we'd rather trust our refined and intellectual gentlemen at reddit, right?

>>12356891
No one cares what you think, it's the Japanese market that matters to developers and they all thought Umineko was shit.

Hell, /jp/ used to love Umineko but ever since Chiru we hate it too. If your shitty Fuwanovel loves it so much, go talk about it there.

>>12356900
It's a doujin product. so all that really matters is what Ryukishi07 thinks. Obviously he's still glad to continue on writing the stories he wants to, disregarding the bandwagoning haters.

>>12356897
*tips chessboard*

>>12356913
>It's a doujin product. so all that really matters is what Ryukishi07 thinks.
Do you think doujin don't exist to make a profit or something?

>>12356915
Is that actually Ryu?

>>12356919
Depends on the artist. And even if profit is a motive, it can be a secondary motive behind the primary one of artistic expression. It feels like R07 feels that way to a certain degree, from his interviews:

>And to be a bit cheeky, I would say that my work has turned quite casual in a bad way. I always wanted to write something for people who were searching for a certain edginess, even with Higurashi. And even though I’m still grateful for it, I think the manga and anime adaptions have turned me quite casual, and I extended my aim beyond those people whom I wanted to read my works. It’s like with a shop that sells incredibly hot curry, which is suddenly broadcasted on television and has people flocking to the shop, even though their not into spicy food, crying out „Too hot!! You can’t eat that!!“. Even though it was originally a hidden little in-spot for people who loved extra spicy food, they now get the feeling that „because it’s all so spicy, we should start selling sweet stuff, too.“.

>>12356891
umiunko is universally panned and heavily criticized by the nips otaku and even /jp/ when it was released.

Where did all the seacat apologists and R07 dickriders come from?
Even that seacat board that was made by obsessed umiunko fags couldn't eat up the shit that was chiru.
Are these people just contrarians that just want act hip for liking a novel that is bad?

The only 07th expansion product that still matter is Higurashi. Even that ended up being heavily milked by fanservice and lolis in revealing outfits. Everything new that he has written was heavily ignored due to the chiru fiasco.

>>12356934
I think you will find that people have different opinions, and there's never universal agreement on a work.

>>12356928
Yes.

>>12356934
>Where did all the seacat apologists and R07 dickriders come from?
Reddit, vndb and /a/ by the looks of it. Keep in mind this is the katawa shoujo generation who weren't actually reading Umineko as it was released. That explains why these threads are so shit.

>>12356891
>EGS
>萌え豚
Yeah sure dude, that's why things like yu-no and kiminozo are at the top of egs ranking.

>>12356954
Nigga please.

I was reading Umineko before /jp/ even existed.

>>12356954
>>12356934
It's still funny how there are people who try and convince themselves that Umineko is good. Despite the bad writing and the piece of shit known as Ange existing.

>>12356395
You're an idiot.

>>12357002
I am amazed at your retarded hateboner for Ange. Especially since it's based off you completely failing to actually understand the story.

>>12357191
"fail to understand"

I know Umineko fanboys find it hard to believe, but the actual story isn't that hard to understand.

The Ushiromiya family are already dead by the time the story starts. So all that shit about Beatoriche, fantasy, magic were all filler bullshit that tried to appeal to intellectuals but failed. The point of the whole thing was Ange getting over her what happened by believing in her truth. The only "real" characters in the story were all shit, the moral was cliche as fuck, and there was no pay-off in reading it.

Also, the bitch Ange just had to be the main character. "I love my family again the end bye"

>>12357183
What an amaaaazing reply.

>>12357217
Yup.

You completely and utterly fail to get the story.

Ange is not the main character you twit, Battler and Beatrice are.

Even in the episodes she plays a big part in, she exists to further develop the story of the two protagonists.

Also, it's hilarious how you completely missed the point about Love that Umineko is making. You somehow managed to take the fluffy silly "love conquers all" idea from it. An idea that Umineko soundly rejects.

Love is *painful.* Love drives people mad. They do terrible things for love. People hurt the ones they love.. Often without knowing!

Yes, Ange used her memories of her family's love to keep going. Even though they were all horrible people and her parents are murderers. She did that because otherwise she would have killed herself.

The moral of Umineko is that life sucks and is painful. But it's worth it to still carry on if you can.

If only BT had remained in this world awhile longer, perhaps Umineko would not be this polarizing, if you're even willing to give it that.

>>12357432
"Battler and Beatrice are"

They don't exist. The real Battler only appears at the end with Auaurora. The Battler you see in the episodes is a fake character just like Beatrice. Everyone in the island are already dead, none of that shit happened. The novel clearly emphasizes that Ange is the protagonist, episode 8 pretty much confirms this.


"fluffy silly love conquers all"

Except that's the thing Ryukishi is shoving in the reader's faces when he's not trying to sound deep with all the random chess references and mystery genre shit. Umineko does the opposite of rejecting "love conquers all". Unless you're just going to ignore all the scenes where love really did conquer all. And the fact that almost everything revolves around love. Love may be painful, but so are a lot of things. Doesn't mean love is bad. It's very very clear that love is a good thing. That's what got Ange to believe in her family again. Which was the point of the story.

"The moral of Umineko is that life sucks and is painful"

Not really. Umineko preaches about love and truth. Believing in your own truth, your own magic (love, hope all that cliche shit). The way life is portrayed in Umineko is so over-the-top and dumb anyway. The fake world with magic was entertaining, the real world with Ange (with the wacky bodyguard and unrealistic villain) somehow managed to be boring. "No matter how many people try to mess with your truth, just believe!" So deeeeep. So deep.

>>12357454
If half the shit that happened actually happened in Umineko it wouldn't be so polarizing.

If Umineko stopped trying to make me sympathize with a shitty unlikable character it wouldn't be so bad.

Ange is garbage by the way. Just saying.

>>12357454
Biggest bullshit is Battler being an amnesia guilt ridden fanfiction writer. Second is Ange rejecting truth to believe in magical bullshit because of family love. Third for yasu being a turboslut three timing all the cousins

How did this shit get past the editor in the first place? Oh right, he is dead..

>>12357466
The meta world isn't fake you moron.

There's NO evidence of those parts of the stories being fictional. All we know about the fictional stories about Rokkenjima is that Yasu wrote three, two were discovered, and then Tohya's wrote four more.

Guess what, there's no evidence that the meta world segments make any appearance in the stories found in the "human world" in fact, all evidence points to them *NOT*

After all, whenever the message bottles or forgeries are mentioned they always just talk about the events Rokkenjima. Not once do they mention any sort of game between Battler and Beatrice.

Tl;dr you're an idiot who has completely failed to understand the story, or the concepts of Metafiction, symbolism, or themes in general for fiction with any sort of complexity beyond otaku pandering

>>12357514
"Not once do they mention any game between Battler and Beatrice"

Because they don't exist. Ange, Amakusa, Okonogi, Kasumi are the ones that exist.
"Metafiction, symbolism, complexity"

Oh you mean the things Ryukishi failed at? You can't just mask bad writing by pretentious "morals", edgy shit, and random philosophical bullshit.
"otaku pandering"

Which Umineko has a lot of.

>>12357485
Ange is just so bad. So badly written, it's embarassing

>>12357555
You never get tired, do you?

>>12357550
If Ange, Amakusa, Okonogi and Kasumi are the only existing persons, where does Ange come from, if there's no Rudolf and no Kyrie? Offspring of an one-night - stand of Okonogi and Kasumi?

>>12357959
They're the only existing people in the "real world" where the story takes place. Battler is in their real world too in the end, but the rest of the family is already dead. Also, the Battler with Auaurora wasn't the same Battler in the FAKE world with the cape and the magic shit. What I'm saying is all the mystery/magic/chessboard shit didn't happen because those were fake scenes. It's called context. I never said Kyrie didn't give birth to Ange. It's just that you're forgetting something important, SHE'S DEAD. She's gone from that world, so all her scenes are fake. Ange learned her lesson, story is over, not much happened.

>>12357950
I just took a nap a few minutes ago and I'm going to again later. Also, Ange and her delusions were bullshit. I just wanted to mention that.

It's so nice of Ryukishi to write novels where 99% of the events are fake.

>>12358084
It is pretty stupid to be honest.
Basically, R07 is the main writer.
He wrote 2fake stories as a turboslut.
He then wrote the rest of the stories as a amnesiac faggot.
Now here is the best part, all the stories are fake where the characters sometimes act out of their characters with the only thing linking them is the bomb explosion (only constant).

This is surely a joke concept.

I'll just let you know that I want Maria to fart on my face.

>>12358137
Do you not have something better to do in your school holidays except for replying to yourself and bringing up the same arguments over and over?

>>12358071
ANGE DOES NOT APPEAR UNTIL ONE THIRD OF THE WAY INTO THE STORY.

IT. IS. NOT. ABOUT. HER.

You moron.

Seriously use your brain for a minute.

Which makes more sense?

A man spent over 3 years of his life writing a story that was completely meaningless except for the last chapter

Or.

You misunderstand a point like every other person talking to you says you are.

>>12358241
The first.
It happens, anon.

>>12358219
stay mad weeb

So many fucking goats in this thread.

>>12358241
The first one, I am the interpreter, therefore God.

>>12358219
what about Higurashi? Clearly Rika is the main character and she appeared much later.

>>12358420
Rika appeared in Episode 1 you dolt. The reveal that Rika is more important then first impressions may give isn't near the same as the idea of the entire story being about a character that doesn't appear until 1/3 of the story, and is still gone for the majority of it.

The thing I liked the most about Umineko were the parents and their interactions, for some reason.
Made me want to watch a VN/anime about MILFs doing adult things, instead of the usual schoolgirls doing cute things.

>>12358219
I like to think the first 4 EP were about Beatrice/Yasu and Chiru about Ange.

All that stupid drama over umineko.

All that matters is this: Did you like it? Good. No? Good. Nobody cares.

There are umineko generals now?

>>12358219
The moron here is you, Ange.

BATTLER DOESN'T APPEAR TILL THE VERY END.
USHIROMIYA FAMILY IS ALREADY DEAD.
BEATRICE, BERN, LAMBDA DON'T EXIST.
THE FAKE SCENES ARE ONLY THERE TO CHANGE ANGE'S THOUGHTS.

Ange is the one "main" character that exists in the real world, and it's through her that the main moral of the story is told. She is also the focus of the episodes after the earlier fake stories.

>>12358420
It's not about "when" she appears.

>>12358470
Interaction with parents isn't an Umineko exclusive. Honestly it would be better without the piece of shit Ange being in the family.

>>12358959
Some people wanted to discuss it, so we're discussing it. If you didn't care why did you take the time to read all of it and type a response? Stupid Ange.

>>12357183
answered like a true goat.

>NO, THERE CAN BE NO OTHER ANSWERS OR POSSIBILITIES, IT SAID IT WAS LOVE AND INSULTED ME WHEN I TRIED THINKING OTHERWISE, SO IT HAD TO BE LOVE! THINKING SHUTS OFF NOW, BAAAAH

>>12358959
I like 1-5 and a few parts of 6.
But I think 7 and 8 also had there moments but they weren't as good.
I hope you care Senpai.

>>12359563
I also have a shocking red truth for you Angetroll.
Non of the Anime, Visual Novel, Manga or any kind of other fictional story, including all the characters who appear in it, are real.
They are all fake storys.
They don't exist.

Seems like you have to hate them now because somebody made them up, put his dreams in them and you actually watched/read the whole thing even through it never happened. As well as the author because he tricked you into believing in his world and rules.

I didn't truly believe in autism until angetroll appeared.

How many more monsters are you going to spawn before feeling satisfied, /jp/?

>>12359645
see
>>12358071

It's this thing called context. No one said anime, vns and manga are real. What people are discussing here is a story and what is real in the context of that story. Meaning the fake world with witches and Umineko's "real" world with Ange.


>>12359655
Nice buzzwords from /b/, onee-chan!

I wonder what the writer was thinking making the majority of the story just filler nonsense with unnecessary characters.

>>12359666
Buzzword is a buzzword itself, champ.

>>12359709
needed to pad it out to make it longer than higurashi.

>>12359715
>>12359722
Well that's stupid. Then again, this is the same guy that made the character Ange. The imaginator of all

>>12359709
The concept is actually good.
Basically R07 give you 8stories with a start and end point to let you imagine what actually happened in the middle.
Problem is the execution and the truth that he had in mind was fucking shit. His message and theme is also bad.

Can this character get any more unlikable? The fake characters are more entertaining than she is.

There is a movie called "one flew over the cuckoo's nest".

Action is set in psychiatric institution, when one normal guy get in, after he lied to dodge criminal responsibility.

He actually befriend patients there, and started to get fun with all people there, showing them new ways to live. Authorities of resort don't like, that he is breaking rules and changing steril order.

In one scene, he hyped everyone to watch sport match in TV. But main nurse there scrapped this idea and shutted down TV. When they were starring on black screen, main character suddenly started to comment, like there is still ongoing match on the screen. And he started to get more and more emotional about this. At begin everyone were looking at him like on a crazy man, but slowly started to join him. And everyone started to loudly enjoy so called match.

That is one of my favourite scenes in the movies. And whole Umineko "magic" idea can be so easy connected to this. After all, you could say with red truth, that everyone are starring at the turned off TV. And no one is watching any match. Even so, can you deny this whole scene?

Without love, it cannot be seen.

>>12359905
Different context, different story. In that movie everything is actually happening.

There is no fake world or fake characters, everyone there is real. In Umineko, the majority of the story has magic and witches and Beatoriche, all that shit that don't really exist. What's real is Ange and her imagination. And what's real sucks.

Also, bad writing will always be bad writing. Even if you keep bringing up love.

>>12359563
Ange's thoughts do not matter outside of parts of 4 and 8.

>>12359928
You are literally the only one who interprets the fact that "Battler survived the incident and wrote stories about it" as "nothing is real and nothing matters"

The problem is not bad writing. It's that you are an idiot.

>>12359942
Name-calling doesn't make you right either. Nothing much really happened in Umineko's real world. The fake world was entertaining but didn't really matter anyway. Ryukishi just stopped caring.


>>12359938
Ange's thoughts are pretty much the only ones that matter. Battler appears in the end, but like I said he's not the same Battler you've been seeing in the earlier episodes.

>>12359955
>The fake world was entertaining but didn't really matter anyway.

Yes it did.

The "meta-world" was the vast majority of the story you idiot. No author dedicates the vast majority of a story to a point that doesn't matter. This isn't an issue of bad or good writing, it's a simple statement of fact. No author is going to *bother* to dedicate the effort to story they themselves find meaningless.

>>12359958
>red truth established
>didn't really matter
>references to the mystery genre, chess, Hempel's raven, devil's proof, etc.
>didn't really matter
>witches, magic, battles
>didn't really happen
>Battler, Beatrice, Lambdadelta, Bernkastel
>don't exist

>no author dedicates the vast majority of a story to a point that doesn't matter

Except that's exactly what Ryukishi did.


Most of the novel is meaningless and just throws some random bullshit at the reader that is supposed to be deep (but isn't). There is no pay-off in reading the whole thing since it was "all a dream". Also, Ange is the worst protagonist I've seen in a long time.

Can we just stop posting in Umineko threads until he gets tired of this shit?

Or at least stop replying to him.

I don't know how someone can't understand that simple concept.
This story can be treated as full time fantasy, to full time mystery, with everything in between.
If you want to deny everything connected to "magic", you have Kyrie and Rudolph as culprits on real Rokkenjima.
You can also treat every episode like multiple universe theory, where every one of them shows one of the possible course and outcome. With Battler and Beatrice on another plane, watching all of this. After all every twillight in the game have passable explanation, how was this done without any "magic".
You can also treat this as a full fantasy.
Seriously, this is closed box. Every one of these option can be right. But you focused on one of them, and you are pissed off.

>>12360057
shut it, beatrice.

no matter how angry you get at the magic denier denying your existence, he won't go away.

and your imaginary friends won't help you because nobody likes you.

>>12360067
>>12360057
>you can treat this as a fantasy

No you can't. The reason is they show the real world (present day Ange after the Rokkenjima massacre). And in that world, magic doesn't exist at least not in the literal sense of the word. Magic is hope or love or some pretentious bullshit like that.

I don't appreciate reading many chapters, getting attached to some characters, liking a lot of scenes and being told they were all fake. Its such a cop out and LAZY way to write.

These characters are all fake. What was the point?

>>12360110
the point was that zepar is hot and needs porn, but has none.

>>12360057
I'm amazed at the sheer amount of effort his guy is using to completely miss the point.

>>12360129
There is not much Umineko porn out there. Because people barely care about it

>>12360110
Remi, Flan, and Hong Meiling.

>>12360133
and most of it is of beatrice/battler, ange or leon/will.

I hate Umineko's real world. It's poop.

If Ange exists in the real world, does it mean I can find her somewhere in Japan and rape her?

>>12360152
>Umineko's real world

Learn to read.

>>12360167
Read what? Umineko's real world is this real world, right?

>>12360170
No, the world where Ange is in Umineko. Our real world is much better and more interesting.

>>12360178
>Our real world is much better and more interesting

Our world doesn't have Ange. Automatically makes it better.

>>12360057
why should we surrender to a troll?
on the contrary, lets give him some of his beloved Ange.

>>12360389
You are right.
Maybe he's just tsundere for her.

Ange is love
Ange is life

Sexy sister butt.

>>12360404
>Ange
>underwear

Butt that's wrong.

>>12360421

>>12360404
The existence of that image summarizes why Ange is relevant.

Ange, you wouldn't be so bad if you weren't the imaginator of all. TIOA.

How did Ange come up with so much crap?

>>12360447
Mental retardation.

>>12360389
Why is she the one that has to exist. Really bad decision. Not good.

>>12360468
think of it in a different way. if someone else were to survive instead of her, they'd become just as insufferable, and you'd hate on them instead of ange, who would be good because she didn't become a whiny bitch.

It would be so much better if the story was from Eva's perspective as she's dying in the hospital. And she eventually kills/forgives Ange depending on the player's choice.

Ange is just so fucking annoying to me. All the great moments are sacrificed just so she can love her family again. Also the bitch's name is similar to my little sister's so I think of her all the time. Ruining everything always

So are you saying, that VN that get anime, manga for every episode that is even published on the west, complete remake on the ps3 with full voice acting and also some spin off, fighting game... is not popular?

>>12360743
Umineko was never really popular. Not that appealing.

>>12360743
I won't dispute about the VN, but the fighting game is literal shit.

>>12360751
I have it on my laptop. It is shit but so is everything about Umineko.

Also look at Rosa's portrait. It's gorgeous.

>>12360751
>>12360775
>umineko fighting game is shit
Casuals.

>>12360781
I don't even know if it has online.

The bad things about the game are some really stiff/awkward animations, like they had no budget. The move lists are way too small.

I could play as Rosa though so that's a good thing.

>Even after 8 novel-length games, R07 doesn't give anyone the answer
>Everyone gets pissed off
>He writes a short story explaining the ridiculous fucking scenario that is the "answer"
>Everyone is buttmad

>Ryukishi writes a shitty story
>Everyone says it's shit

And that's how it happened.

>>12360833
>Everyone says it's shit
That's why it's one of the best rated vn on vndb?

>>12360839
Ratings don't matter. A list where Clannad is above almost everything has no credibility.

>>12360110
>Complaining about fictional story because the characters in it are fictional

>>12360859
see
>>12360100
>>12359928
>>12359666

Woah...context. What a difficult thing to grasp!

I was thinking yesterday how about the Trick ending might be the "real" ending. After all, they say in the Red that "this story won't have a happy ending." The trick ending can be seen as the truth, while the magic ending is what happens if you ignore the truth and just imagine everything turned out fine like Ange did in her battle against Bernkastel.

Basically, the game's final decision becomes: do you want the happy lie, or the bitter truth?

What I want is good writing, not Ange.

>>12359928

I think you're missing out on a key concept of Umineko: There are multiple levels of reality. Even the "real" Ange you keep fuming about f is still a level of reality below the voyager witches.

>>12360884
>level of reality below the voyager witches

Witches don't exist. Real magic is love/hope/truth. The witches are basically just there to provide obstacles for Ange in order for her to get over the massacre mentally (and emotionally).

The different levels of reality are:

-the gameboard (where the different massacres take place, all fake)

Ange is still garbage
-the game master dimension (where they play the chess game, witches exist here so it's obviously fake)

-The REAL world (where Ange is, present day long after the Rokkenjima massacre)

>>12360853
>people who rated this story as very good are not included in "everyone"
So which opinion matter, of this one faggot, who is obsesed with Ange hate and missed whole point of the story?

>>12360961
>people who rate poorly-written sob stories like Clannad very highly vs guy who criticizes important things like the writing and characters

Hmm, I don't know.

Poor Lambda. She didn't even know it, but she doesn't exist.

>>12360975
>guy who criticizes important things like the writing and characters
You are clearly showing, that you were too dumb for this style of writing.

>>12360990
That's not a good enough excuse. You can't just defend bad writing by saying "you just didn't get it". Umineko tried to be deep and even the fans agree that it failed in that regard. All the metafiction crap was meaningless in the end, since the real magic is love. Without love, the truth cannot be seen.

It was never about chess or mysteries or witches. It was about Ange choosing to believe in her family again.

I don't even like Umineko, but angeanon is becoming insufferable.

>>12361010
Don't associate me with that slut.

>>12361013
Yeah, I'll switch for ange autist. Sorry.

I wish she somehow landed on my dick and died.

>>12360928
There's a level about that, which are readers of tales (voyager witches). To them, even present day Ange is just another story for enjoyment.

I wonder how someone can be as braindamaged to keep posting the same things 24/7

>>12361646
>>12361961
I thought Featherine Auaurora was the strongest witch and even she was in the same dimension as Bern and Lambda.There's this other place with the fragments floating around but this is all fake anyway.

>>12362006
So who imagined Higurashi in your opinion?

>>12362006
No it's not.

>>12362010
Higurashi is different though because things actually happen.

>>12362015
So besides the dimension of fragments, the witch's chess room, the gameboard, and the real world, what other level of existence was there?

I don't really know where the giant library place fits in, maybe the same world as the chess room.

>>12362026
But according to you
>>12362006
The world of fragments is fake.

>>12362033
Yeah I already said it was fake. I'm just wondering where the library fits in all of that. I'm guessing Ange just imagined the place and it's not connected to the chess room dimension at all.

>>12362048
No what I meant was that the fragment world was in Higurashi too.

>>12362053
If you said it was fake, are you saying Higurashi is fake?

>>12362053
Fan theory? Are you one of those people who are trying to make connections with Bern and Rika?

>>12362065
Higurashi doesn't have a fake world the way Umineko does. It's called context.

>>12362077
>Fan theory?
Wait have you even read Higurashi?

>>12362081
Yes I have read Higurashi. A story where things actually happen.

>>12362095
But you still keep denying the supernatural.

>>12362103
Because the supernatural is real in Higurashi.

Like I said, context. You're trying to compare one thing to another and apply the same thing to both.

It's not like Umineko where Ange is just imagining shit to feel better. Keiichi and the others really exist and do things.

>>12362117
They both still exist in the same universe.

>Keiichi and the others really exist and do things.
The point of the Hinamizawa syndrome was delusion and paranoia. They were also seeing things that never existed. Like the needle or the dead Shion/Mion.

I just find it stupid to hate the whole thing just because it's fiction in fiction.
It's not like they aren't other fictional storys like that. Do you hate them too?

Fact is the characters existed in the past so why not just enjoy the theorys about them?
Also if the whole Battler author thing is true some of the episodes weren't even in Anges mind but things that were in everyones mind so stop your Ange hate shit.

I don't even know why I'm arguing with you since you're probably just having fun repeating your shitposting.

>>12362155
He's trying to evade being called ange autist because he doesn't want to be associated with her, so he decided to slightly change the factors of his shitposts.

>>12362155
The Hinamizawa syndrome doesn't change the fact that Keiichi and others really exist. They do become delusional at times but the events really take place. That's why I can appreciate Higurashi.

Not like Umineko where the characters I like (Beatrice, Erika, Lambda, Battler, Dlanor, etc.) were all just fake and the only ones that are real (Ange, Amakusa, Kasumi) are the boring ones. They sacrificed all of Umineko's potential just for a cheesy moral. In the end, nothing happened, so there's no satisfaction in reading it. I actually liked Ange before I learned about that she's the imaginator of all things.

>there are people who don't think hope is the main theme of Umineko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSwKw_oFP24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOq7ZNTPVug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN8NXR3C0J8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4nHWXDdYRA

http://youtu.be/ZZ3NrtGdtUs?t=1m12s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5WbC-blm5U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnACsCe2g-E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx0hZOTlScs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyk7z5BMDEs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euX4_6-wSNI

>>12361053
well, why not. In that case you would jump around and scream in a very high pitched voice instead of trolling us.

>>12360928
Does this forbid me to like Goethe's Faust, because it is full of dream world / magic scenes?

>>12362649
No one is forbidding anything.

>>12362642
I wish Rudolf had a character arc. There wasn't much to him compared to the other family members.

Ange imagined all his scenes anyway so I guess it's all useless.

>>12362714
why should Ange imagine her dad partaking in slaughtering the family?

>>12362077
>Higurashi doesn't have a fake world the way Umineko does. It's called context.

Higurashi is just as fake as Umineko. It just doesn't call your attention to that fact.

It's a game between Bern and Lambda.

Best mom.

>>12363069
I wanna do that to Maria.

As I see it, Umineko is about layers on layers.

At the top, we have the reader. Below that we have the meta plane which consists of characters telling us a story with a lot of twists and changed facts. At the base of these stories there is a single answer story.

In my view, the witches are more real than the story they are teasing us with. Of course if you focus on the story, then naturally the witches are not part of it. There are only what we'd call "real" people in the story.

>>12362853
To eventually imagine her dad being the hero and fighting the evil witch with the family (ep 8)

>>12363864
Witches aren't confirmed

>>12363864
Dont you find that a huge problem by itself?
What we are seeing is a story being played as they were written in the message bottle and amnesiac battler.
This is all fine and dandy since from these fictional tales we can guess what actually happened. Now this is where it gets bad. Eva the survivor obviously knew what happened and wrote it down in diary, hiding the truth to protect Ange. Ange just chose to believe in fucking magic instead of finding out the truth? Lets be honest here, it wasn't a choice you can only pick magic here since the other bring you to a bad end. Fuck the catbox. If your parents are a bunch of muderers you dont just go I cant hear you blah blah, my parents are a saint.
This set a bad precedent and a huge fucking copout to me. It goes against what was set out in the first ep, denying magic and witches.

Why didn't the author make the seagulls cry?

At the end the seagulls should have cried.

>>12364079
Red truth can only be spoken by witches. So the solution can only exist according to red truth, if witches exist.

Also, red truth was never part of the story world. The truth only exists in the meta world. If we were to claim the meta does not exist, we deny there is a solution to a mystery.

>>12364815
But according to Ange Autist, the meta world is just Ange's fertile imagination.

>Yasu is Shannon is Kanon is Beatrice

>>12364098
You really can't assume that the magic ending is the only "true ending." Like I said earlier:

>The witches said in red that "This story won't have a happy ending."
>The Trick ending is "what actually happened, according to the red truth."
>The players have the same choice Ange had: Ignore the red truth and pretend everything turned out fine, or face the reality that sometimes life just sucks?

Umineko is a mature work that forces hard choices on the reader.

>>12365200
>Umineko
>Mature work
Pick one.

>>12365200
>hard choice
You seem to have missed how Ange chose escapism and delusions over the hard truth.

>>12365200
"Umineko is a mature work"

Going for a cop-out "it was all a dream" is not mature, it's just shit.

There are choices in Umineko? I thought it's a mere kinetic novel. Not that it will make play it if there are though.

>>12365769
No, there aren't. And that's why ange autist is pissed off.

>>12365769
There is a choice at the end but both outcomes are shit anyway.

>>12353128
acting

Just a reminder. Things have to be confirmed in red/spoken directly from author's mouth otherwise they're no more than fan theories.

Was so long since I last played. Where was the gold again? There was something with doing stuff at the cathedral to open something, right?

But I'm pretty sure in ep 2 they said it had no secret doors or paths from the inside, so I guess it was something else opening up outdoors.

>>12366283
The mystery/fantasy shit are just filler. All that mattered was Ange loving her family again.

>>12366283
Isn't ep2 just a fake message bottle story?
Anyway what actually happened is quite retarded.
Yasu found the gold and bomb used it to blackmail jessica parents into a fake murder mystery to toy with Battler (he is a mystery buff apparently) since he is coming back.
Obviously all the servants are on it as well.
Blah blah blah Battler came back and stuff, shit happened, instead of a fake murder mystery, real murder actually started to happen thanks to Kyrie.
That is all there is to it. With this knowledge in hand all the murder mystery is easily solvable and really made the whole story feel like shit.

>>12343483
>why is R07 counting personalities as people
Just a reminder, all the red text is coming from Yasu's point of view. To him/her/whatever it makes perfect sense.

>>12365769
You have two choices, heavily influenced by your IQ.

You can understand and accept the true nature of Umineko's heart, and marvel at the genius of Ryukishi (120 IQ and more).

Or you can rage because you didn't understand anything. That's for 80 IQ and less: by chance, the average IQ of Murrikans. A lot of Murrikans don't like Umineko, by the way.

>>12366590
Fuck.
This is simple, but not a bad answer.
After all only witches can use red.

>>12366727
what about IQ between 80 and 120?

>>12367148
those are the people who think umineko is girly chinese cartoon shit and you should play a real man's game like halo or counter strike.

>>12367148
They follow Umineko till the end, but don't understand it. They soon become fervent Rosatrice supporters.

>>12366727
>A lot of Murrikans don't like Umineko
If anything, it's gaijins that like umineko. And defending a work by saying "you don't understand" while reading the altered version is dumb, when everyone who can read the original work naturally, said its shit. Also the fact that weebs tend to praise anything from japan despite them being shit. Including you.

>>12367225
No panty shots, no fanservice, no muh waifus, half o the cast is over 30 years old.

Of course japs wont like it.

>>12367241
If anything that would just make it unpopular, and it's the last game that rated really bad, means they have ignored those factors and still calling it shit. See >>12356870

>>12367241
Yes those stakes definitely arent sexualized.
Not only that we also have bunny girls and all sort of epic maymay like marisa stole the precious things and tsurupettan.
Please stop sucking off ryukishi dick and actually look at it objectively on why it is panned.

>>12367225
But Umineko is quite amazing. It takes a literally shit mystery story and turns it amazing with magic and meta.

I mean, remove all those great things about Umineko and you are left with a story about a man dressing as a woman and loving a man so much he decides to win his heart by killing his family. And if that was everything, we'd have more people join the Ange hater poster.

>>12367503
>turns it amazing with magic and meta
Not everyone is a chuunifag like you though. Majority of the people read it for the mystery and it didnt reach their expectations

>>12367503
"turns it amazing"

No, just no.

>>12367241
Yeah the fanservice sisters, the lolis, yurishit, asses and tits everywhere, and all the sexual otaku pandering. Stop pretending like Umineko is mature or special. It's not.

>>12367781
>Yeah the fanservice sisters, the lolis, yurishit, asses and tits everywhere, and all the sexual otaku pandering.
Oh yeah. That hot R07 art really does it for me.

>>12367968
>backpedaling this hard

Doesn't change the fact that there is a lot of fanservice and pandering. Umineko is no different than anything else is out there.

>>12368018
>>backpedaling this hard
You're not even talking to the same person, I had nowhere to backpedal.

I just don't think I see how "sexual otaku pandering" counts for much when practically the sexiest thing in the series is the Stakes' uniforms coupled with a pair of hamhands.

If the argument is that it's fanservice regardless of whether fans were actually succesfully serviced, then sure, you're more or less right.

>>12367516
Said majority should just accept it is not a good mystery and just go away.

To be fair, they failed on every aspect, not just mystery. All of it is equally shit.

>>12368069
>Umineko is so mature and intelligent unlike the other series with waifus and fanservice!

Umineko has those too.

>b-but the art so that means no more fanservice

That's not how it works.


I love how desperate you're getting trying to justify the bad writing by "at least there's no fanservice!". When there clearly was.

>>12368100
Who the hell are you even quoting? I insinuated neither of those, nor am I trying to say a thing about the writing.

>>12368089
Yeah, and Ange is slut, we know this already

>>12368139
>Ange is slut
What's wrong with that?

>>12368139
>>12368155
You're right. Ange is a slut. And a bitch.

>>12368175
You forgot that she is a witch.

>>12368325
In her imagination, yes.

For me, whole meta world was a purgatory.
Everyone needed to understand their sins and mistakes.
And after this, they were forever happy in the Golden Land, that is basically a heaven. Even Shannon and Kanon was a individual person there, and not only part of Yasu mind.

I like that ending.

>>12368100
>I love how desperate you're getting trying to justify the bad writing by "at least there's no fanservice!". When there clearly was.
No one is implying that, they're just pointing how hypocritical you are considering you're failing to admit that this game had retarded sexualized elements, trying to pass it as a "mature work" for mature people like you and /r/visualnovels.

>>12368403
>hypocritical you are considering you're failing to admit this game had retarded sexualized elements

Except I'm the one saying the game is sexual and isn't mature. You reply to the wrong anon in your stupidity? This is Ange-level of retardation.

>>12368403
With Umineko you can't sell shitty OVAs with Rika cleaning window with her butt, and that is what appeal to japanese mass the most.

>>12368433
>durr Higurashi has fanservce

We already went over this. Umineko has lolis and waifus and sexual shit too. It's not special or mature. It just failed to live up to Higurashi, even in the fanservice department which is pathetic considering it came after

>>12368419
I quoted the wrong post, sorry.

>>12368442
Because Higurashi is much simpler story and braindead faggots can focus on cute aspects more and still follow the plot

>>12368455
>making things convoluted and pretentiously complex is better

No. The only braindead faggots are the ones that can't see through Umineko's bullshit story and how massively flawed it is. It tried to be deep and failed, it tried to cover up bad writing by random "intellectual" talk. Higurashi isn't amazing or anything, but it's way better than Umineko in every aspect.

>focus on cute aspects more

If people wanted cute, they would be into other series which do that better. Like I said, Umineko also has lolis and yuri and waifushit. Although the characters were not as likable or memorable a Higurashi's.

>>12368473
I suggest you reread Umineko when you will grown up, you may end up actually liking it.

For now stick with Higurashi or shounen mangas.

>>12368479
Playing the "mature" argument is just making you look more and more stupid.

>>12368479
Umineko isn't mature or any different than shounen manga. Just stop.

>>12368433
>that is what appeal to japanese mass the most.
Except that just means this work will be unpopular, being called shit is in another horizon. There are unpopular works but still valued good by the people who read it. This one on the other hand, only praised by pretentious gaijin weeb children that will praise everything from japan, despite them being shit. And defending it with the same stupid arguments over and over. Like you.

Umineko is a babby's first VN of the worst kind. It's a bad series, a clusterfuck of setting and characterization that isn't very well done by any aspect, but which attempts to compensate for its weaknesses by adding in excessive shipping faggotry and META. The NEET anon can see this as the shit it is, and may enjoy it, hate it or be indifferent to it, but all the while recognizing that the series itself, regardless of their opinion, is plain bad.

However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for normal, sociable, underage faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The metaworld characters all trying their hardest to look cool, the magic, the peculiar, colorful clothes, the whole "colored text" faggotry and everything about the Umineko world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the pity-party character backgrounds, emphasis on love, and the overall preachiness of the whole series make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes normals and underage retards eat this shit right the fuck up.

Umineko is basically THE series to attract the most hated visual novel fanbase known to /jp/, which is why, regardless of individual opinions, it is the responsibility of every anon to troll the fuck out of this franchise and everyone who likes it, and ensure that no Umineko threads ever encourage the normalfags to show their faces here.

>>12368620
I don't know, Umineko and Remember11 are pretty equal on giving you a good time but then letting you rage at the disappointment of not getting a clear ending.

>>12368620
>wall of text

No thanks. The first sentece is true though.

>all these Goats
No surprise, that you hated ep8 for portraing you so accurately

Sadly, gimmicks aren't enough to hide a badly-written mess. Try again.

>>12368808
If it was just bad, they could ignore it.

This much reaction shows that they must feel challenged by it somehow.

>>12368841
If their posts were wrong, you could just ignore it.

Your reaction shows you must feel challenged by them somehow.

Okay guys. I'm re-reading Umineko and right now I'am at the fifth episode in the moment when Erika introduces herself.

How is it possible for Kanon and Shannon to exist with all the other humans in the parlor including two detectives (Battler and Erika)?

Wasn't there a gimmick that Yasu can't become two personalities at once when encountered with a detective?

>>12369192
>how is it possible for _______
>why, how, what

Ryukishi: LOVE LOVE LOVE TRUTH TRUTH TRUTH (insert pseudo-intellectual speeches here and there) LOVE LOVE TRUTH TRUTH

>>12369192
Only Yasu is there.
You dont see Erika talking to both Kanon or Shannon at the same time. Just cause it is shown in the game you read it doesnt mean it is true.

Remember, if it's not stated in red or confirmed directly by author it's just a fan theory.

Don't believe fan theories.

>>12368808
>he didn't understand what the whole goat thing was about and took it at face value, aimed at himself, the reader, instead of in-universe characters like those guys from ange's timeline
the readers were established as voyager witches in the first episode.

in a way it fits, since we "voyage" between "kakeras" which are different vns, movies, books, stories etc. and observe them unfolding.

>>12368693
R11 had slightly a bit too much crazy and unreal shit for sci fi. That soul traveling couldn't be sustained in any other genre than mystery. Just the fuck they were thinking? Dropped after appearance of that ’’scientific’’ bullshiter. Glad that he was killed so fast.
>>12368620
Untenability to deal with anger proves that Ryu made an awesome piece. Surely, it wasn't flawless and some polish here and there truly had a place to be, but in general just an awesome game. And I don't give a shit about detective inconsistency or whatsoever.

>>12368808
I know you're joking, but it is unfortunately what is happening with Umineko. All those people too dumb to get it are hating it forever.

>>12369192
You rarely see things from Erika perspektive in 5ep and certainly not in this scene.
>>12369419
Battler piece perspective in 1-4ep are trustworthy.
>>12369308
Sir, you are butthurt retarded

>>12370909
>>12371107
>too dumb to get it
see
>>12360833

Believe it or not, Umineko isn't as deep as you pretend it is. It's very easy to see what the real story is despite all the random intellectual nonsense that served no purpose other than to appeal to hipsters. People don't hate it because they don't get it, people hate it because the writing is bad (and obnoxious).

>>12370898
>I don't care about inconsistency

So you admit that you don't care about the writing, only about the pretentious 2DEEP4U elements. I'm glad fanboys are being honest here.

>>12371843
Bullshit man.

If the writing was bad, people would hate Umineko from the start. Somehow hatetrain started with 8ep, because people were expecting something different.

People blindy hating Umineko are goats.

They followed story without thinking, they never tried to challenge themselves and the game. They waited for ep8 to spoonfeed them, and they never saw, that whole mystery was explained already with ep7.

Sure, Umineko is full of tricks and narrative lies, but that is what WHOLE MYSTERY genre is based about.
For a long time no one even considered mystery genre as an art, more like a reading game.

There are never perfect rooms. People were expecting "muh brain wrecking plot twist!" and without experience in mystery genre they never knew, what to expect.

So instead of thinking how ILLUSION of closed rooms and tricks were created, they just waited for "plot twist that no one saw coming" without using their brains, and they were dissapoint in the end.

Welp.

>>12371881
This.

>>12371860
>the hatetrain started with 8ep

No. People began to hate Umineko way before that shit. When they see the story go full retard even in its context and when they realized how much of a cop-out it was to not explain the mystery directly. People wanted a good mystery, they didn't get it. Even if they read it for fantasy, it wasn't well done. If they read it for romance/drama/the violent shit they would also be disappointed. It just failed to be great in any aspect. The writer is so inconsistent too. Sometimes he makes really good scenes and he sets up some really interesting concepts. But then he fails to really do anything with those.

He just randomly throws in random philosophical bullshit to make gullible readers think it's deep when it's not. Add in some shounen battles, unnecessary characters and a shitty ending. You can't mask bad writing by preaching about love and truth. That's just lazy and boring.

>>12371881
People blindly liking Umineko are stupid.

They worship Ryukishi without thinking, they never see the inconsistencies and flaws of the writing. They need to lie to themselves and make up fan theories that explain the episodes.

Sure, Umineko is shit, but hey, there are fan theories, right?

People were expecting a good story, but then they got shitty one. So the fanboys just suck Ryukishi's dick because they don't want to admit they've been wasting their time reading shitty novels. It's like buyer's remorse. They want to believe that all the time spent reading was worthwhile even if it means lying to themselves.

So then they say "b-but you just didn't get it" or "it was 2Deep4U", or "(insert fan theory here)". They call people who hate it names and keep pretending it was good, so they don't get disappointed.

Welp.

>>12371915
Nice denial Ange autist

>>12371990
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>>12371896

Nice denial, faggot.

>>12371915
We don't need to pretend it is good. It is called an opinion.

And go ahead and call it shit taste. I've been watching tons of anime because my taste is so general I like everything. Just means more for me to enjoy.

>sucking r07 dick
I dont even like Higurashi

>>12372073
>it's called an opinion

Opinions are opinions. But flaws are flaws. You can't just say a piece of shit is good and make it okay by saying "b-but its my opinion".

>>12372150
You can't say that something is piece of shit only because you dont understand the story

>>12372150
Only flaw I see is that it is a bad mystery. Else it is just like most other japanese media out there.

And isn't VNs in general supposed to be awesome and shitty?

Fate Stay/Night. Liked by many, yet so much food and food and food and my ideal is to be awesome and now I throw it away because I like a boring character.

Chaos;Head. Look at me, I'm a stereotype otaku. I'm really silly and paranoid. Oh and all I do everyday is boring things over and over.

If we tried to attempt to agree on a good VN, the closest we'd get is probably Every17.

>>12372313
saya no uta was 3edgy5you, but at least it had good pacing without boring moments.

>>12372317
Should be easy with good pacing in a short VN. Unless nothing at all happens in it.

>>12372313
Ever17 have great story and plot twist but 90% of power is held in true route, because every single alone was pretty average.

Also pacing was sometimes horrible, especially with this hide and seek game.

I can agree, that the story is a lot better than Umineko, but I have more fun with the latter anyway

>>12372317
And was like 3 hours long?

>>12371915
>So the fanboys just suck Ryukishi's dick because they don't want to admit they've been wasting their time reading shitty novels. It's like buyer's remorse. They want to believe that all the time spent reading was worthwhile even if it means lying to themselves.

No, I really authentically enjoy it. I actually consider Umineko my favorite piece of fiction in any medium. And to prove I'm not just blindly fellating Ryukishi0, I thought the first half of Rose Guns Days S1 was extremely weak. And I admit that Episode 8 is the weakest EP of Umineko, though still pretty good in my opinion.

>>12372150
Actually, that is how opinions work.

In what episode was this beach party, when Shannon quoted Battler words about coming back on the horse?

>>12373189
That was in the EP3:

"Shannon. By the way, what was Battler like six years ago? Remember any interesting episodes?"

"Let's see. ......I'm sure that he said something like this when he left. 'I'll be back, <see you again>. I'll come to greet you riding on a white horse.'"
"Gyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh, Stop iiiiiiiiit, so embarassiiiiiiiiiiing!!"
"Gyaaah-hah-hah-hah-hah-ha!! Sounds just like something you would say! I remember, I remember that you always used to be full of those stupid lines, Battler! Waaah-hah-hah-hah-hah-ha!!"

"Hah-hah-hah-ha. It really does sound like something Battler-kun would have said back then."

You all are fuckin autists. Go read something good like Sono Hanabira series instead of some shitty mystery-wanna-be.