/jp/ - Otaku Culture

who cares

it's all going down the toilet soon anyway

It's over. We're finished. Burn all Touhou goods and merchandise and move on to the next little girl fandom.

>>12315682

titanic avatar anology

Look at all that homo stuff. Fujoshi are powerful.

2hu games have been on a decline since like SA anyway, so it's about time a new fad took the throne. Looking forward to Kancolle only events.

boo hoo the fandom I belong to doesn't get to utterly dominate presence at an event anymore, whatever shall I doooo

>>12315711
Splitting up the list in terms of male-dominated vs female-dominated fandoms (the colors), it looks pretty normal. It's about what you would expect would happen when fujoshi stop being reserved about attending doujin events and become fairly represented.

I doubt it'll be like that again though.

Kancolle will bust soon anyways because lack of substance beyond character designs and Touhou will double.

>>12315750

Touhou has zero substance, at all, character designs or otherwise.

>>12315750
Lack of substance beyond character design is better than what Touhou has now, which is lack of everything. The new games are complete ass in every single regard.

it seems that Touhou while declining in japan is growing in the rest of the world

>>12315750

Touhou has become shit after the last good game ZUN released: Great Fairy Wars. Even Tasogare Frontier managed to fuck up a fun enough fighter like Soku making HM.

I'd prefer Touhou to die now instead of watching it being destroyed by its own creator.

Does ZUN play Kancore?

>>12315781

If he did I'dd smack him into planning better stage design and patterns on bosses.

Oh snap!, time to become a Kancolle fan!


>>12315762
>lack of everything
That lack of everything was the cause for more than 10 years of fan works.
Touhou fandom will not die, like there still are small fan communities of old/dead games sprinkled all over the web.

Now, what has been happening, and will continue to happen, is that all those who sought profit by using Touhou will move on to the new "fad" and jump ship. Only those artists who really liked the series will keep making media.

So yeah, its still a shame because Touhou will keep getting less artworks each year.

>>12315814

Filtered! LOL

>>12315818
Shut the fuck up.

>>12315781
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Impossible_Spell_Card/Translation/Afterword
>Good game experience involves conquering your goals through strategy, effort and patient play.
>But aren't there too many games in which the effort part largely relies on randomness?
>Oh look! Super rares, legendaries!... Endlessly collecting random drops with cute pictures and parameters over an infinite amount of game updates...
Kancolle confirmed casual trash.

>>12315814
Nobody meant it would die out completely, do you have autism or something?

This isn't even about artists jumping to a new fad, are artists not allowed to draw anything but Touhou else they're a traitor and are clearly doing it for money? I mean heaven's forbid people get tired of drawing the same character for years on end or actually like a new series. Quit acting like an entitled shithead when you're consuming the majority of their goods for free. 2hu isn't anything amazing or special, it's not so much more deep or deserving of fanwork than anything else.

>>12315842
Whoa, what's next. Will you tell us how Farmville is aimed at casuals and takes little effort to "play"?

>>12315843
Don't words in my mouth, man.

If you read carefully, very, very carefully, you'll realize I never said that people who now draw Kancolle instead of Touhou are traitors. I just pointed out there is a group who works using that modus operandi.

They can draw whatever they want.
And some of my favorite artists draw both Kancolle and Touhou.


>Nobody meant it would die out completely
Jokingly or not, some do.

>>12315682
Those are literally made-up numbers, though.

It's an "estimate" because "getting an exact number is impossible", but you can clearly see the numbers are exactly the same as the genre counts - except c86 Kancolle, which somehow has grown ~800 circles for no reason.

>>12315853
And yet it still requires more skill and strategy than Kancolle.

>>12315843
>2hu isn't anything amazing or special
It kind of is considering its age and that it was a doujin work that spawned an entire fan culture about it. It embodies the concept of "doujin." It reflects the otaku spirit!

Kankolle, on the other hand, is cashgrab garbage that's riding on hype, the now extremely tired moe-novelty trend, and the misconception that it's "the next touhou" when it's anything but. It represents the worst junction of doujin and commercial cultures.

People can make fanwork of whatever they want, but don't pretend like Kankolle is anything but a shallow fad and niwaka bait.

>>12315960
What is KanColle exactly riding on, it's a browser game. Why do you retards try to compare the two?

Fanwork revolves around one thing, the characters. If Touhou didn't have cute girls it wouldn't have a doujin scene, are you really so deluded to think that it's popular for any other reason, it's an average shmup with great music and pretty patterns but gameplay wise it's nothing special compared to real shmups. You think the majority of fans of both aren't secondaries who haven't touched either game and don't like it for extremely shallow reasons?

>>12315993
Well, I like what ZUN did with the whole world he made, but yeah, in regards to the games, They aren't hard, but they are quite fun and relaxed STGs, yet not groundbrounking. I think I really started following it when I read the CD stories. Lamentably, no circle will ever build on that concept without it being or moe-pandering or edge-pandering.
Circles that do either will probably flock to Kancolle because it allows for both to exsist, but that doesn't mean they will abandon touhou (they will probably get tired of Touhou though).

Yet, I still belive that Kancolle's longevity depends on the developers. They have to be as dedicated as ZUN, and probably as lovable for them to keep Kancolle alive.

>>12316020

When you see an unremarkable thing explode overnight, that's called a fad. It exploded for social reasons and will implode too as the normiesphere of socialites move onto something new.

>>12316023
Kancolle exploded overnight, but to define it as a "fad", we need to see it colapse over itself.
Again, whet determines it's longevity is how dedicated are the developers, for how long can they keep releasing new materials for the fans to work with. I would also like to add that considering Kancolle has no world to it (currently, anime incoming), it's harder to do work with it. In my opinion, for doujins to thrive, there needs to be a balance between explaining things and leaving them to our imagination.

>>12315682
This isnt news.
The writing was on the wall since last year.
2hu is declining.
The main game has been shit since double spoiler.
Artist all switching over to kancolle.
Just look at the current status of /jp/, shitposters are just shitposting with touhou pics now, literally zero discussion on touhou.

>>12316063
> shitposters are just shitposting with touhou pics now, literally zero discussion on touhou
How is that different from before?

>>12316067
It used to be about 10/90 touhou to shitposting
Now it is like 0/100.

>>12315960
Listen to this man, /jp/

>>12316063
The jay is dead due, our archives are filled with subhuman pedo circlejerks and /b/ queers jacking it onto a tranny gook. The board itself has been hit by generals and japan general garbage, there's nothing from here on out except the big G yo

It's about marketing, dude
kankolelfags seems to have more money to spend and those jews artists know it

>>12316083
/jp/ is dead, but edginess is what made old 4chan popular in the first place.

Mission accomplished.
Which fandom should we kill next?

>>12315682
it became mainstream, everyone is just jumping on the band wagon

2hu was never so good after all, good riddance

>check doujinstyle
>293 touhou music circles
>C85 had 225
>ohwowwouldyoulookatthat.webm

So it's the end of the world because there are artists who keep their style and their fetishes but draw porn of different characters ?

If that isn't autism then what is.

>>12316112
I think you have a warped idea of what mainstream is.

>>12316094
Did you see how fast the anime got greenlit? Meanwhile still no Touhou anime because ZUN. But that's how you keep it about the fans rather than industry.

>>12316118
probably

>>12315993
>>12316020
do you even score

>>12316117
Who are you quoting?

>>12316125
Even in scoring some can be quite easy. Just look at TD or PCB. The only interesting system is UFO's, the rest, either basic chaining or barebones STGs.

>>12316125
They're talking about from a mechanic point of view, you know "Gameplay".

I'm happy about Love Live's rise. I hope there's plenty of non-ero stuff.

>>12316173
I didn't notice that Love Live was on... A-Rise!

>>12315781
I'm not sure if this is him.

>>12316277
He certainly does, he twitted about it before.

>>12316128
Hello Dwayne.

>>12316282
Anyone have that tweet?

Kancolle dabes. My local book store has kancolle dakis.

>>12316083
About time. I don't know /jp/ story or when the split happened. I'm just here for Babymetal, a fad that'll pass before long.

Honestly, how long you thought /jp/ would survive out of Touhou alone before people getting bored of this shit? People change, interests change, move on guys.

>>12316313
Look at newjack here trying to drop knowledge.

The jay died because of idiots like you.

>>12316173
That show exist purely to generate fap material.

>>12316324
Nope, /jp/ is a containment board. As people got fed up with lolis in silly hats they abandoned it, plain and simple.

I don't think that touhou can simply "die" there still is a lot of older fans of the games and the younger ones like me and my friends.

Cool stats, I actually care about whatever this thread is about.

>>12316333
Yep, this is accurate. Look back at the archived posts from 2008, none of those tripfags post anymore.

>>12316347
oh, I just forgot the password

And thus the cycle continues.
Continues until the next bandwagon is found.
Where porn and autism will spawn a new.
What that bandwagon is, is up to you.

This bitch is completely irrelevant now.

So... what comes after 2hou?

>>12316374
Haruhi just got a pachinko game.

They should let her rest in piece.

I can't believe I just wrote piece instead of peace.

>>12315682
Looks like that vocaloid shit can finally die off in a year or so.

The heck is T&B?

>>12316129
Did you just call PCB scoring easy?

>>12316427
Nevermind the last thing, I realized it after posting.

>>12316428
Complex=/=Hard
Simple=/=Easy

Retard.

>>12316451
You literally said easy. Dude.

>>12315682
So I'm new to this thing and I notice that there's way too many girl/fag oriented shit in this. What does this mean? Fujoshi are really that strong in Japan?

>>12316475
>Fujoshi are really that strong in Japan?
Yes.

>>12315960
KanColle fags getting BTFO by this fellow.

>>12316475
Comiket was started by fujoshits apparently.

Kancolle is fucking cancer. Every fucking good artist is ignoring all the interesting anime and games just so they can jump on the stupid fucking Kancolle bandwagon. Fuck Kancolle.

im literally gay btw

>>12316479
Try and think for yourself, okay?

>>12316482
me too

>>12316481
Invest a bit too much time and money into touhou eh?

>>12316475
Day 1 of Comiket is typically considered fujoshi day.

>>12316475
The fujoshi are fine by me, so long as they keep drawing 男の娘 stuff.

>>12316482
Me three

>>12316491
Why would they?

Touhou is a niche, gentlemanly franchise.
Kancolle is like pop music.

2hufags are hipsters

>>12316525
*tips fancy hat*

>>12315682
time to rename /jp/ kancolle/general

>>12316535
What for? Before KanColle /jp/ wasn't even called Touhou General.

>>12315682

>>12316544
Stop replying seriously to overreacting retards.

>>12316551
Don't tell me what to do asshole!

Kancolle > touhou people, MLP = Touhou people, and KPOP > JPOP people are the same.

>>12316569
What the hell are you trying to say?

>>12316547
oh wow

>>12316475

>>12315739
>Splitting up the list in terms of male-dominated vs female-dominated fandoms (the colors), it looks pretty normal. It's about what you would expect would happen when fujoshi stop being reserved about attending doujin events and become fairly represented.

>>12316569
>implying 2hufags aren't bronies
*clops fedora*
Who am I greenmemeing?

>>12315682
Fuck Touhou, finally that shit is going down.

>>12315682
I wonder where Fate is ranked now that it is no longer in the top twelve.

All the red bars..

>>12316481
>Every fucking good BANDWAGONER artist is ignoring all the interesting anime and games just so they can jump on the stupid fucking (NAME OF THING) bandwagon.

Good riddance to them, fuck secondaries and hipsters.

>>12316699
>fuck secondaries and hipsters.
So fuck everyone?

>>12316699
>hipsters jump on bandwagons

Now I've heard everything.

>>12316680
It's funny because only like two things are actually aimed at them

>>12316719
Just like how MLP is aimed at kids amirite?

Anybody else here like both KanColle and Tohou?

>>12316569
I agree.

>>12316759
It's impossible.
Playing Kancolle seems to have overwritten my love for Touhou.

Anybody else here like both penis and vagina?

>>12316715
Ever since being a hipster became cool, plenty of fags jumped on the bandwagon and are now giving the subculture a bad name.

>>12315759
So, what do the printed materials mean to you? Unlike cuntcolle, 2hu actually had plots and shit. Cuntcolle is nothing but tits and fanservice all over the place

>>12316766
Me, actually.

>>12316779
Won't stop them from imposing their own, sound familiar?

>>12316779
You sound butthurt at the lack of fanservice zun has given 2hu.

>>12316779
>cuntcolle

Is that supposed to be witty?

>>12316779
Kancolle also has official materials, your point being?

>>12316779
Touhou's plot is just Reimu saving the day. We don't even know how the events of the game happen like who actually resolved the events.

>>12316472
This is 4chan. what do you expect from anons.

>>12316759
no

>>12316799
but the afterwords and the literature do show the main summary of what happened.

Usually what really happened is a combination of all routes. Like Eirin and Kaguya and Mokou are not beaten by Reimu and Yukari/Marisa and Alice/Sakuya and Remi/Youmu and Yuyucow but ALL of them combined.

>>12316833
And SSiB and CiLR are extensions of the story. I feel 2hu has at least a bit more substance and characterizaiton than kancolle though

>>12316849
In fact, I think the games more or less serve as character introductions for his literature now, stuff like Bohemian Archive and Symposium of Post-mysticism gives characterization to characters who are just wordless bosses.

>>12316849
>a bit more substance and characterizaiton than kancolle though
It can't be helped, Kancolle is only one year old and has too many characters.

>>12316829
Is this Wyatt's? Why is he portraying the great saviour of the White race in a negative light?

Am I the only one who remembers how Rozen Maiden used to eclipse Touhou, just to fade into obscurity immediately afterwards?

Kancolle is a fad with no depth to it. It won't last.

2hu is reclining

Somehow, I feel like Touhou will not only outlive ZUN, but all of us. I would not be surprised that it becomes a household name sometime in the future.

>>12316876
Indeed she is.

>>12316875
This. The anime will probably be the death of it and the producers realized it, that's why they're trying to postpone it for as long as they can to keep the interest afloat even if it's just for a little while.

Shit like BRS, Umineko and Higurashi used to be so popular back then but look how it ended up

>>12316875
This will happen to kancolle. Just a shortly hype

>>12316882
Perfect bod

>>12316875
Rozen Maiden went into a long hiatus.
Rozen Maiden II was also pretty shitty when it resumed.

>>12316875
>>12316882
>>12316886
So much delusion.

Funny seeing all these 2hufags shouting stuff like "Kancolle will die soon! It has no substance! Just a fad!!" while their beloved 2hu ship gradually sinks, along with all of their loyalty, confidence, support and love in their franchise that slowly come crashing down.

Even a few years down the road, once 2hu is completely forgotten, while Kancolle is still booming with popularity, the remaining 2hufags will still be shouting "It has no substance! It will die soon!!" without the profound confidence they had a few years ago.

Fuck, /jp/ hasn't been this good in ages.

>>12316894
I agree. I don't really give much of a fuck about either, but it is rather delicious to taste all those tears.

>>12316894
>>12316896
>>12316892

>>12316896
I personally enjoy both 2hu and Kancolle myself, but don't really care which is more popular, so I find these fandom loyalty disputes stupid but also pretty entertaining.

>>12315682
Touhou really is declining
Online doujin shops have pitiful selections in comparison to the past
I wish I bought all those goods when I had the chance, white canvas has a pitiful selection now

I don't know much about Kancolle, but it's just a online card game right? I don't doubt that it's gonna get/already is bigger than 2hu or anything, but are it's fan-works as all encompassing as 2hu? Aside from simple fanart and porn, will it have the same level of fan-produced games, music albums, doujinshi, etc...? Zun is just a single dude that inspired all that, while this Kancolle thing has a whole company pushing behind it.

>>12316547
>>12316755
Oh fuck, I absolutely love this rivalry.

>>12316933
Just fanart and porn, a lot of porn

But didn't Rozen Maiden, anything by 07 and Madoka already kill it?

>>12316968
Madoka is still going strong, and 07 is currently working on something new. Rozen Maiden is dead tho

>>12316374
This. Japan is hit by huge fads now and then when it seems everybody is drawing that. The amazing things about touhou fandom are the relatively large amount of non-porn works and the durability, not size.

What interesting times we are in right now...

>>12316998
Shimakaze looks like a whore. Is this why greasy weeblords like her so much?

>>12316998
Im@s is already killed.
Look at Love Live and Im@s declined.

>>12316998
Why is boatgirls land locked? Why is some unknown the girl for iM@S?

>>12316992
Well at least 2hu didn't rely on half naked girls to grow. Kancolle is rife with fanservice and pandering

Wait! Touhou is relevant?

>>12317003
It's like the Sun clan. Irrelevant and underwhelming.

>>12316759
no.
2hu has my yamabiko scum

>>12317011
good taste mah nigga

>>12316833
>Usually what really happened is a combination of all routes
That never has happened.

>>12316791
Why would he be butthurt at the very thing Kancolle (and most japanese media nowadays) is mocked for?

>>12315762
>The new games are complete ass in every single regard.
How the hell? They are the same game as before except with more features.
>>12315843
>This isn't even about artists jumping to a new fad
Of course it is, why else would EVERYONE suddenly jump to kancolle? Because it's what's popular now.
> are artists not allowed to draw anything but Touhou
Touhou artists draw other things all the time, just not to this extent.

Touhou actually has good music.

>>12316933
To educate those that don't know much about the KanColle, it has several official manga publications, art books, soundtracks, and upcoming Vita game, and a shit ton of figures as well as all the doujin, ero or otherwise.

What it doesn't have right now is a lot of the aforementioned stuff. Nothing on the same scale of 2hu, but it's also only a year old. If the anime is successful, and the hype for it sustains, it might become a lasting franchise. If nothing else, it's certainly got more momentum behind it right now than 2hu does these days.

>>12317006
Kancolle is a commercial work engineered to cater to the greatest possible amount of otaku tastes and fetishes. The objective is to generate as much profit as possible before the creators move on to the next project.

Touhou is the work of love of one guy who cater only to his own tastes. The objective is to make games ZUN personally find enjoyable and he plans to keep doing that until he dies.

Learn the difference, it may save your life!

>>12316980
07's last work didn't really catch on though.

>>12317030
Well said anon.

>>12317004
>unknown
Cinderella Girls is the future of iM@S, man.

>>12317030
that's some highlivel nonsense if we talking about a fandom that ignores everything that is canon.

>>12317030
Touhou = Wine
KanColle = Mountain Dew

>>12316799
>Touhou's plot is just Reimu saving the day
maybe the games, all the books are about something else, hell the only one of them that has Reimu seriously fighting she gets beaten by aliens.

>>12317030
Which is why Kancolle is better.

>>12317033
07 dropped the ball hard on the 2nd half of umiunko.

Touhou is pretty bad.

Zun is kind of lucky that the people who care about Touhou ignore pretty much what he does.

>>12317044
I'd think it'd be more apt to say KanColle is Absolut and Touhou is moonshine.

>>12316894
Just like Rozen Maiden killed Touhou right?

>>12316894
The bubble WILL burst. It's a shallow cash-grabbing aritficial hype that attempts to make up for its lack of substance with involving "famous" people, forced media exposure and trying to play on Japs nationalism.

The ONLY people who care about KanColle are a) retarded niwakas, and b) cashgrabber doujin artists who just go where the money is.

And all the mouthbreathers, meatheads and niwakas bite the bait, because their brain activity is roughly like this "durrrrrrrOH NEW PORNdurrrrrr"

These people aren't very benefitial for the longevity of a fandom, and Kadokawa won't keep pouring money into the sinkhole to make up for its lack of substance forever. Once the horny niwakas get tired off the porn, the bubble will burst, because the cashgrabber artists will also go back to Touhou.

KanColle just disgusts me because it's the embodiment of everything that is wrong in this world. Something unique becomes massively successful, and then some greedy kikes decide to "replicate" it despite having not an ounce of the charm the original had - so they compensate for that by just throwing money and excessive sex appeal at it instead.
Just look at doujins, Touhou is like 1/4th H and 3/4th non-h. That's a mountain of doujins focused on Touhou itself out of love for Touhou, not just "durr i fap2dis chick cuz she's hawt" niwaka shit.
On the other hand KanColle is 99% porn because the only reason anyone even cares about it is because the characters make niwaka's tiny dick go up. The character designs are fucking shit and generic but that's okay because they're lewd. The game is fucking garbage, but that's okay because the girls are lewd.

It's little different that godawful movies like Bay's Transformers breaking sales records because they contain many "epic explosions" that appeal to the average Amerilard the same way heartless fanservice appeals to the average niwaka. You, KanColle tards, are everything that is wrong in this world.

>>12317051
Did Rozen Maiden actually surpass Touhou at Comiket?

I'd like to see those numbers.

>>12317040
>if we talking about a fandom
Good thing we aren't talking about the fandom then.

If 2hu wasn't dying we wouldn't be talking about this right now.

>>12317054
>The ONLY people who care about KanColle are a) retarded niwakas, and b) cashgrabber doujin artists who just go where the money is.

oh god, that's adorable.

>>12317060
It's the truth.

>>12317047
because it whores itself out as much as possible?

>>12317057
How is being outnumbered in number of circles that are making money off the latest fad ''killing''?

Yeah, the bubble of people being interested in anything WWII will burst soon!

Even the way smaller Strike Witches is bigger than Touhou.

>Market share percentage and total yen made in 2012.

>087 Strike Witches-------0.13%-------1,994,200,000

>>12317064
What's wrong with being pandered to?

>>12317054
>99% porn
Nice stats out of your ass there buddy

>>12317059
but we've talked about 2hu dying since rozen maiden.

>>12317064
Sure, you don't know anything about KanColle.

>>12317069
Less people draw it.

Kancolle's music is shit compared to Touhou, thats an undeniable fact

>>12317069
I didn't say it was. I just wanted to see the numbers and compare that disparity to the present one.

>>12317072
It means you have no soul of your own, you're just a whore selling yourself to the most market-able and generic of traits to make cash instead of passion for what you're doing.

ZUN could have made mountains of money exploiting Touhou with something like an anime, yet he didn't and instead got other jobs.

>>12317076
It takes way too long to die. Hopefully kancolle can finish it off.

>>12317040
You miss the point. The point is that ZUN is bound to keep producing Touhou content for as long as he lives. The guy actually considers himself as the Hakurei Kannushi.

Kancolle will eventually become unprofitable and/or the artists/writers attached to the project will move on to the next project. At that point, official works will cease (or at best severely decrease like with Haruhi, or become an endless series of cash grabbing rehashes, like Evangelion).

Without original content injecting new blood into a franchise, fan interest is bound to drop. Even old favorites like Alice or Remilia become staler if no more characters/plots are introduced to the series' universe. And this is bound to happen to kancolle sooner than will happen to touhou.

>>12317086
That's true. But the new soundtracks might change that.

Touhoufags are adorable.

They really think Touhou is more than cheaply produced nonsense.

>>12317078
You can't be serious, you're seriously denying Kancolle doesn't try its damnest to pander to all the otaku traits? There's so much blatant fanservice I feel like I'm watching strike witches.

>>12317094
It is. And?

>>12317095
Yeah, you're talking bullshit.

Touhou is the definition of a circlejerking otaku property.

>>12317095
Strike Witches, GuP and Kancolle are all good.
Touhou is just in a steep decline.
Ask yourself honestly, when was the last time you were genuinely excited over the touhou game?
For me it was DS. The new fightan is shit and the last 2hu game with the bowl boss is utterly bad.

>>12317101
>excited over the touhou game
Touhou, like Kancolle, is 1% games, 99% other stuff.

>>12317089
Touhou is too cemented now to die, the universe it has made is bigger than any other series, most of which have expanded beyond Japan commercially. This isn't Haruhi or Lucky Star, this like Frankenstein or Dracula, culturally permanent icons, grown out of something small by others rather than the authors themselves.

>>12317101
Easy mode scrub detected.

It's not just KanColle. The entire military related franchises form an even larger fanbase.

There is no bubble to burst.

>>12317088
>It means you have no soul of your own, you're just a whore selling yourself to the most market-able and generic of traits to make cash instead of passion for what you're doing.
So being an otaku?
>ZUN could have made mountains of money exploiting Touhou with something like an anime, yet he didn't and instead got other jobs.
And that's why touhou became stale.

>>12317029
I don't know if it's just me but somehow I find 2hu a little more "deep" and endearing than Kancolle. You can feel the stories better, especially when the author lapses into his own world with the pondering and stuff. CiLR and CoLA might be boring for most people but if you really took the time to read it's actually quite fun

>>12317110
>he really believes that ouside of it's otaku circles people care about Touhou.

Unlike Haruhi, K-On or KanColle, Touhou has zero mainstream appeal.

>>12317107
Secondary pls stop

>>12317121
But secondary audience is what those comiket stats are all about.

Was something Touhou related ever the most tweeted key word?

Some Touhoufags completly ignore how isolated the Touhou fanbase is.

>>12317090
I think this is a pretty key point. Touhou will always have new games so long as ZUN is alive, regardless of how popular it is. Touhou really is driven by the passion of its creator more than anything else.

KanColle exploded due to fans, so it's driven more by demand from fans than anything else. Franchises like that (like iM@S) survive only if they can keep pumping out new material and companies will only do that if it's profitable.

As soon as the profits dry up, and they will eventually, that's it for KanColle. I think it's got a ways to go till that happens, but it won't be sustained by Kadokawa's passion for it or anything like that.

Many of the Touhou artists only do Touhou stuff because they know they can sell it.

KanColle was like the rescue to move away from the scale Touhou fandom.

>>12317128
What if ZUN loses interest?

>>12317132
unthinkable. Zun loves his little girls

>>12317129
Shh, stop telling the truth.

>>12317134
I'll bet he loves his little boy enough to abandon 2hu and find a proper job to support his family when if the situation calls for it

>>12317117
Although there isn't a lot of it, there's a fair amount of endearing works within KanColle, official stuff and doujin.

The franchise has some interesting potential because it's working with a little bit of real history, so all the girls have their histories, some more tragic than others. When you learn about the horrible way that your favorite ship girl sunk, it can make you tear up a bit.

Amount of Kantai Collection h-doujinshi on exhentai (eng+jap): 701 (out of 818)

Amount of Touhou Project h-doujinshi: 6331 (out of 11977)

That's 86% and 52% of porn respectively.

>>12317142
>When you learn about the horrible way that your favorite ship girl sunk, it can make you tear up a bit.
Is this nerd serious?

>>12317146
Do you lack a heart?

>>12317147
Do you lack a brain?

>>12317146
I don't think that's any worse than feeling attached to youkai and their fictional plights.

Can't wait for Touhou to be officially declared dead, so we can finally free this board of the last stubborn 2hufags left.

>>12317147
Yes

>>12317145
>using exhentai

damn!

At least use doujinshi.org or Pixiv

>>12317145
Most non-h 2hu doujins aren't even scanned...

>>12317141
He already has a proper job, he's a programmer, Touhou is not his job, he said it a couple of times during old interviews. The wife is a programmer too. He makes Touhou for the sake of it, he doesn't even care about the income or the fans (you can't deny he's a fucking hipster), he'll stop when he gets bored.

>>12315682
If I recall correctly, didn't they have this lottery/lucky draw mechanism in Comikets for participation? This year's reitaisai apparently had 4317 circles registered. I think things are not as dire as you all make it out to be

>>12317134
Humans aren't so one dimensional.

>>12317124
Who is Mari and Sally?
Am I missing something here.

>>12317162
No.

>>12317142
I doubt KanColle could ever be as tragic as the real ship in the history. They won't make all ship died one by one, at the end of the war, most of the remaining died due to severe injuries (scrapped) and the only ship that survives into their old age is Yukikaze and Hibiki where they live a bitter life under someone else and lived with regret till they die of old age.

Heck, when i bring up this thing to the fans, nobody liked it. They want their moe SoL shit.

How much longer till Vocaloid dies?

>>12317202
They are already dead.
When was the last time you see a mikufag?
Even all the popular vocaloid producer went mainstream and abandon her.

>>12317205
Miku isn't dead at least. They're still pumping out new figures of her every chance they get.

>>12317216
Miku is like Elvis. She is dead. All those figures are a memorabilia of her glory. It is a fact that there's no new song made for her anymore.

>>12317224
I like that analogy. Also pertains to the endless number of awful cosplayers/impersonators.

>>12315750
The shipsluts anime will probably increase its popularity quite a bit.
SOON /a/, /v/, and /jp/ will be linked even closer.

>>12317107
Actually that's a fairly incorrect assumption. It's a lot safer to say that Kancolle's main fanbase are the players (it's at what, around 2 million now?), since it's an easy game to pick up and enjoy. 2hu, on the other hand, has most of it's popularity from secondaries who don't play the games. And, to no surprise, it's those secondaries that are screaming about Kancolle being shit just because they won't be getting their precious same rehashed 2hu doujinshi (porn or not)/music this Comiket.

If anything, 2hu has the artificial popularity as opposed to Kancolle.

>>12317258
>shipsluts
So much passive aggression.

>>12317258
Is KanColle is the third horseman of the 4chan?
First there was Touhou.
Then there was Vocaloid.

Is this the beginning of the end times?

>>12317267
concoalei is just bad.
Supporting moe money sucking companies is just bad.
You are just bad.

>>12317274
>Supporting moe money sucking companies is just bad.
Why?

>>12317275
It doesn't promote creativity.

>>12317262
What's the ratio of secondaries to players for Touhou? I'm sure there aren't any hard statistics, but I'm curious what that ratio might be.

I just assumed it was always 1 in 10, since that's about my experience whenever I run into people saying they're into Touhou.

>>12317277
Who needs creativity as long as it's good.

>>12317277
It promotes a franchise that employs artists that create new material and designs.

>>12317277
And people making derivative works based on 2hu for ten years somehow is?

>>12317286
>new material and designs
Rarely new. Often rehashed and fine tuned for maximum moe output.

>>12317275
Because it promotes laziness. It's the same reason the video games industry is stagnant. You chase the cheapest buck, damn any actual creativity.

The only way to cure it is to kill anyone that pays into the beast.

>>12317299
>The only way to cure it is to kill anyone that pays into the beast.
Race war now.

>>12317258
You forgot /tg/.

>>12317267
I have no problem with it really, never played it but the fanart has added more than a few hundred MB to certain folders.

Not enthused about Fubuki being the MC for the show though, they could have picked someone like Tenryuu, Shiranui, Hibiki, Sendou, Taihou, fucking anybody else.

>>12316547
Bucket.

>>12317297
They're technically new. I agree that they may not really be very original though.

But finding original character designs in japanese media these days is pretty hard. None of it really stands out as absolutely unseen before.

>>12317323
>Tenryuu, Shiranui, Hibiki, Sendou, Taihou
Please no. They have no legitimacy to.
>Sendou
No ship named like this.

>>12317320
No one plays the board game.

>>12317258
Epic spoilers.

>>12317331
That's because everything has already been done.

>>12317283
Something like:
6 out of 10 have played or tried to play the games.
2 out of those 6 have cleared some of the games.
1 out of 100 play the games a lot (for score or for entire completion with all shots, difficulties, etc).

Only the last group should count as actual players that are truly devoted to Touhou at its source. The first 2 groups' interest in Touhou stops after they played the games a little bit.

>>12317343
40% don't play at all
40% tried it a bit
19% cleared a few games (casual gamers?)
1% are hardcore gamers and are thus truly devoted to Touhou at its source

Did I get it right?

>>12315750
I thought this, but a certain critical mass of fan material creates a self-perpetuating momentum, lack of initial substance or not. If it gets drawn enough, a culture builds up around it. If it's based more in fan consensus than anything official, well, the same could definitely be said of Touhou.

>>12317350
40% don't play at all
60% have tried it a bit
20% have cleared some games
1% are hardcore fans

>>12317358
Is /jp/ the 1%?
It is quite ironic that I spent more time on GoS than the official 2hu game.

>>12317360
>Is /jp/ the 1%?
1% of /jp/ is the 1%.
Just look at how dead Touhou/STG thread is.

>>12317358
That does not add up to 100%.

>>12317369
It doesn't need to.

>>12317371
Yes it does.

>>12317376
No it doesn't.

>>12317149
Barely any of the youkai have died in the gensokyo world. Only one I can think of is orange who "died" in the PC98 games, but is basically replaced by meiling.

Any hardcore 2hu player here?

>>12317449
None.

>>12317343
>Only the last group should count as actual players that are truly devoted to Touhou at its source. The first 2 groups' interest in Touhou stops after they played the games a little bit.

That's quite harsh. Some people are not good at video games, are they not to be commended for trying?

>>12317486
No one is good on the first few tries of playing. Especially in this genre of games.

>>12317492
You probably imagined as much, but I've never beaten one either. I enjoy shmups and find them extremely satisfying to play, but I'm not even remotely competent at them. Unlike the majority of modern games, experience isn't all that's necessary, there is as well a minimum skill requirement.

Why can't we just like both?

>>12317107
>>/shimmie/

>>12317541
Because KanColle is cancer.

>>12315682
>EoSD
What did happen with EoSD?

>>12317557
Touhou popularity didn't take off until the series came to Windows with EOSD.

>>12317544
And you are suddenly the authority of what is good or not?

I wish Rozen Maiden were still popular

>>12317597
/jp/ told me what to think

>>12317205
Mikufags are dead here, but she's the fucking goddess among weeaboos.

>>12317651
Gin's tasty love juice...

>>12317651
There was a time when dollfuckers were on the same level of subhumanity as horsefuckers.

>>12317677
You are a sad, sad little man.

>>12317651
I wish CCS was still relevant. It's still popular just not a lot of stuff made for it nowadays.

Weren't Galaxy Angel and Di gi Charat insanely popular during their heyday as well?

>>12317365
If you don't play for score, whenever a new game is released, you'll play for a few days before you 1cc it on lunatic then you stop playing and wait for the next one.
No reason to talk about it week after week for years.

>>12317732
>If you don't play for score
I thought the STG thread was mostly for people who play for score.

>>12317716
you're mom is fat.

>>12317732
Also STG threads get deleted.

>>12317378
Fool. Using common sense on the jay? You might as well be cryo-frozen with English beef!

>>12317747
Stupid nerd, the previous one got deleted because nobody bothered to bump it for more that 30 hours.

I don't really mind. I'm not going to miss all of the terrible porn and ugly western cosplayers and there will be a small core of militants who will literally keep producing Touhou derivative works until they die.

I like to see the Touhou fandom as being the otaku equivalent to the punk subculture. Kids and mall rats feed the corporate machine with daddy's dollars while a handful of socially dysfunctional weirdos,criminals, and addicts contribute to a fan community based on mutualism and DIY principles, eschewing profits and ambivalent to the spotlight.

Kancolle could be considered New Wave in this light. Polished and established on a more customer-vendor relationship, Kancolle fans wonder why people think It's such a big deal if someone is making a whole lot of money in the process.

What's the issue, the people who care about Touhou will stay. Let it happen.

>>12317814
Mutualism, DIY principles, these things don't matter so much to me. Neither does making money. What matters to me is what Touhou IS, and what Kancolle IS. Maybe it was fan reception that nourished Touhou but it grows from an earnest core. Kancolle seems to me to be based on cynical foundations.

>>12317832
>earnest core
>cynical foundations.
What?

I really think that all ZUN needs to do to make the next game better than TD and DDC is have some kind of gay, gimmicky "theme", be it underwater or back at the SDM or eiteitei. Since the religion wars started, it's all felt like the same kind of bland newhu crap.

>>12317843
What I mean is that I don't care about the community, I care about the original product. I can only enjoy the community's output if the original product appeals to me.

I got sidetracked there, talking about ZUN's labor of love vs. shallow gambling browser game. What I meant to talk about was how Gensokyo is a much more interesting place than Kancoverse or whatever.

>>12317851
Another phantasmagoria game.

>>12317814
if anything Kancolle is 90s boybands

there is nothing honest or spontaneous about Kancolle

>>12317855
>how Gensokyo is a much more interesting place than Kancoverse or whatever.
That's normal considering Touhou has a story and a setting while kancolle is 100% character focused. I guess it's not for everyone.

>>12317026

We must admit that every new character since fairy wars was so shitty we barely recall their name. And when we remember them it's because of some porn doujin.

>>12317856
15 would be the same distance from PoDD to PoFV, but if he did it now it would just be another retarded religion war thing. Probably as bad as the drop off from Soku to HM. The only way I could see it working is if it was mostly characters from MoF and SA, or if it was some sort of rehash of PoDD where Yumemi comes back.

>>12317868
Did 90's boybands spawn an indie subculture of different media from the fans, not just the corporal moguls themselves? I don't think so.

>>12317885
>but if he did it now it would just be another retarded religion war thing.

Wasn't this concluded with HM?

>>12317876
Pretty much. I didn't meant to offend, or anything.

The thing is that even without knowing anything about Touhou, the characters scream personality, whereas the Kancolles need some level of investigation.

>>12317914
I doubt someone like Alice, Yukari and even Marisa would click to the unitiated besides "generic European goth and witch animu girls." With Kancolle at least, they have weaponry on their backs which is more of a shout out not unlike Mecha Musume.

>>12317909
I guess theoretically, but all the characters he has floating around at the moment are still mostly from all of that. Everyone in Double Dealing Character feels like one.

>>12317914
>the Kancolles need some level of investigation.
That's because they're based off real ships.

2hufags are going to end up like the sorry manchildren over at /m/, never growing out of their shitty old anime and being eternally butthurt about anything new.
It was a bad idea to let 2hufags into /jp/, they need their own containment board.

>>12317928
Marisa has that collar-vest-apron thing going which gives her some personal style. Alice I suppose I'll agree with, unless pictured with dolls which are a fairly uncommon combat weapon. Sakuya is pretty generic at first blush until you add the timestop and knifetossing elements, which aren't exactly rare either.

For the most part, Touhous have bolder character designs full of colour, which are immediately eye-catching.

>>12317937
This may be bait but it's true, /m/ is a terrible board.

>>12317937
Agreed.
Touhoufags either learn to limit themselves into a single general thread like Kancollefags or get out of here.

>>12317936
"Because my waifu is the personification of a real ship!" kind of sounds shitty, dude.

>>12317943
But when they have to go toe to toe against girls with BFG's, Torpedos and such the mainstream would pick the kancolles because "gunz and military are kewl" mindset.

>>12317950
To you maybe, but that sounds like a military ota's wet dream. Haven't you heard stories of IJN vets playing Kancolle?

>>12318090
>IJN vets playing Kancolle
They do it for the gameplay, not for Shimakaze's string bikini.

>>12318120
>They do it for the gameplay
Pff.

Why do you honestly care
Kancolle fans have their boats
Touhou fans have their Gensokyo universe

Please, just have a cup of tea under the cherry tree and take it easy!

>>12316201
yeah i also notice that,well touhou is not going anywhere ,it's gonna be always topping due to it's fandom..and that's is nice..

>>12316427
Tiger and bunny

>>12318168
You're too naive anon. More kancolle = less Touhou.

>>12318201
shikata ga nai

ZUN should give Touhou a break and make game about Beer. Everyone loves Beer right?

>>12317885
Although Yumemi is one of my favorite characters, I think that if she goes back (apart from the RAGE due canon adjustments) the possibly theme would be science vs religion, which could be interesting in written publications, but awful as a game

>>12319280
That's a fantastic idea.

>>12319280
Didn't he already make a beer game?

>>12317677
It may shock you to learn that /jp/ is not always right.

>>12317937
>It was a bad idea to let 2hufags into /jp/
Wait, /jp/ wasn't created for 2hufags?

>>12318120
>They do it for the gameplay
>gameplay
Confirmed for never playing KanColle.

>>12318201
good

>>12319613
/jp/ was /int/ before moot created /int/ and turned /jp/ into the japanese culture board which became the Touhou bord a little bit later.

>>12319811
/jp/ was /a/ but then it became /jp/.

See attached picture.

I hope someone makes an AW or SRW or any pre-baked SRPG style doujingame and blows that browser shite out of the water.

This is true pain for the 2hu fags.

The amount of low quality kancolle merchandise being sold in Akiba is sickening. Every ufo catcher reward, every oppai mouse pad, every poster it's all plastered with shitty low resolution kancolle shit. Combine that with the same Love Live track being played in every store and you feel like killing yourself in 2 hours.

Even the store that was known for selling Touhou merchandise has given up, only selling a few keychains and the games.

>>12315768
In our country it's pretty well known for the past years and it's declining as well

>>12319280
Player 1 and 2

>>12315682
why are you posting an estimate done before all the attendants were even revealed over the actual list which shows Touhou is still way over Kancolle?
http://www.doujinstyle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=9980

>>12317167
>No.
Yes actually, doujinstyle reveals so. And even then Touhou still has way more circles registered.