/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>12266440
I don't think there are even ten.

>>12266440
>>12266443
Scarlet Devil Mansion
Eientei
Palace of Earth Spirits
Hakurei Shrine
Human Village
Tengu
Kappa
Fairies
Makai
Oni

>>12266455
>Kappa
>Oni
>powerful or notable

>>12266455
>Oni
>being able to stop fighting each other to prove who is stronkest to be able to form an entire faction

>>12266455
>Fairies
>powerful or notable

>>12266488
Who are you quoting?
Though that does sound vaguely familiar...

>>12266495
>doubting the strongest faction
>doubting the strongest leader of the strongest faction

>>12266455
I'd put the Myouren faction over the SDM one. They have some crazy mother fuckers up in that temple.

Maybe the Yasaka faction over them too but I don't know how strong the two gods are now since they don't have all the faith that they used to.

Think Kanako and Suwako can two man all of Myouren?

>>12266508
Fairies are nothing to me!

>>12266519
What exactly is the Myouren faction capable of? I'm not too familiar with them.

>>12266520

>>12266455
Yakumo Family can "possibly" outpower anyone

I know which faction is my favorite.

>>12266455
you forgot religionhus

1 - Cum in her armpits
2 - Cum in her ass
3 - Cum in her pussy
4 - Cum on her face
5 - Cum on her tits
6 - Cum on her ass
7 - Cum in her hair
8 - Cum in her eyes
9 - Cum in her ears
10 - Cum in her nose

>>12266643
Two asses?

Conviction sisters (Shikieki and Komachi)
Eientei (Eirin, Kaguya, Mokou, KANE, Reisen, even Reisen, the supposed weakest, managed to beat Remi, Yuyuko and a weakened Yogibear in her route in SWR)
Yakumo household (Yogibear is the oldfag's classic strongest youkai, Ran is quite powerful as well)
the Netherworld garden (Yuyuko is quite equal to Yukari, Youmu is a dork but she's still quite strong)
Moriya shrine (Kanako and Suwako are quite strong and can alter terrain as will, Kanako being very clever-headed, Sanae can perform miracle and now call on on Hisoutensoku)
The former hell (Koishi and Satori are strongest psychic in Gensokyou, Okuu is an avatar of god messenger with power of nuclear and sun)
Byakuren group = Miko group (both groups basically alternate with each other, with some strong elemental powers)
SDM (Flandre might be the strongest but she's almost never used, Remi, Sakuya are strong, but were beaten numerous times and even the fate altering power seems to not work)
Kappa and tengu (probably most technological advance, but they aren't that strong by themselves)
Fairies, Mystia, Wriggle and the Prismriver san-shimai (More annoyance than real threat, don't kill fairies)

Wildcard:
Hakurei shrine (Reimu and Marisa, they are the protagonist faction so they win every times)
Alice (greatest magician)
Letty Whiterock (unlike Lilly White/Black, she can control an actual season, being winter)
Hata no Kokoro (she controls the emotional stability of the whole of Gensokyou)
Yuuka (one of the strongest classic youkai, next to Yukari, but a loner)
Celestial (the whole celestial group might be quite strong, but just Iku and Tenshi mean they aren't that much considering Tenshi gets her ass beaten by everyone in SWR, even if she wants it)

I'm probably forgetting someone, something.

Oh and moonbitches ain't Gensokyou so they don't count.

>>12266687
In vs On, it's different.

>>12266688
But Mokou and and Kane aren't allied with Eientei.

Also you forgot the Oni who probably go under wildcard.

>>12266714
Mokou cares for Guya and KANE cares for Mokou so it creates a chain reaction.

>>12266719
She does?

>>12266725
Yes, in the 2nd Lunar invasion arc, Mokou rushes over to Eitentei to check on Guya because she fears she would leave Earth and return to the moon, leaving Mokmok alone.

Mokmok also comments on KANE the werebeast being one of the few who understands her.

>>12266726
And she won't be around for Mokou forever either.

>>12266734
That's what Guya is for.

>>12266735
But Kaguya doesn't have penis like Keine.

>>12266576
A shikigami can have powers equal to their master based on their proximity and loyalty. Ran can have equal powers to Yukari. Chen can have equal powers to Ran.

TAOISM

TAOISM IS THE SALVATION

>>12266440
Celestial Bureaucracy
Yakumo's faction
Hakugyokurou
Eientei
Buddhists
Taoists
Tengu
SDM
Palace of Earth Spirits
Moriya Shrine

Oni pre-banishment would be high on the list.

>>12266753
She should salvage that shit she calls her hair before trying to save anything else.

>>12266743
Oh but Mokmok does.

>>12266765
No fucking way SDM is stronger than Moriya and Chireiden, especially when you place tengu above SDM when tengu worships the Moriya gods.

And how is Yakumo's house and Hakugyokurou stronger than Eientei when Eientei has people just as strong (Eirin) and more personnel?

>>12266927
Honestly I'm not even sure what you guys mean by strongest.
Are you talking about military might, or influence? Eientei has some scary military potential, but has very little influence over Gensokyo. Yukari, on the other hand, has very few actual followers, but it's implied that she controls much of Gensokyo, and is an incredibly influential figure.

>>12266947
Strongest probably means no one fucks with them.

>>12266947
Strongest probably means that if they were ever arsed to turn into some kind of miniature country in Gensokyo they could be considered at the very least a regional power. One can become powerful through either military strength, such as Eientei, or through other means of influence, like economics or political powerplay, stuff like that.

>>12266970
If that's the case, I would still put Eientei under Yukari, just because she has influence over almost everything in Gensokyo. She could turn most of Gensokyo against Eientei, if she needed to.

>>12266970
Did somebody say 'Touhou countries'?

Tengu Republic - Led by Lord Tenma and represented by Aya Shameimaru. National race: Tengu.
Great Fairy Alliance - Led and represented by Cirno. National race: Fairy.
Scarlet Devil Municipality - Led and represented by Remilia Scarlet. National race: Vampire. Additional races present include Fairies and Humans.
Earth Spirits Coalition - Led by Satori Komeji and represented by Utsuho Reiuji. National race: Various Hellion creatures.
Kappa Federation - Led and represented by Nitori Kawashiro. National race: Kappa.
United Oni Clans - Led and represented by Suika Ibuki. National race: Oni.
Makai Dominion - Led and represented by Shinki. National race: Demon.
Hakurei Assembly - Led and represented by Reimu Hakurei. National race: Human.
Eientei Warren - Led by Kaguya Houraisan and represented by Tewi Inaba. National race: Youkai Rabbit. Additional races include Lunarians and Moon Rabbits.
Ningen Protectorate - Led and represented by Keine Kamishirasawa. National race: Human.

>>12266958
In that case, /jp/ is the strongest

>>12266979
Any information on Lord tenma, lord of the tengu?

>>12266980

>>12266981
Canon-wise, almost nothing.

>>12266947
>>12266970
What's this about Eientei's military potential? You guys realize they field earth rabbits as fodders who are basically useless for anything except being cushions right?

There's a reason Reisen is forced to do all the chores and is the only one who makes a trip to the village to sell medicines.

>>12266988
They have a ton of rabbits though, so that's something.
You're right though, rabbits are kind of useless, and these guys are slightly over hyping the other members of the household.

>>12266988
They have advance technology (the vulcan cannon that can be fired with one hand, if we count Inaba, anti-personnel mine, machine gun in guitar), Eirin and Reisen who are tactician and soldier respectively.

Even Tewi is decked out like this in Inaba.

>>12266999
You know Inaba is a gag manga that's only somewhat canon, right?

>>12267001
Yeah, just saying man, ZUN is very loose with canon, and every jokes can be turned out be real.

>>12266927
SDM is either in the very last place or an actual strong contender depending on how much mysterious shit you think they're hiding beneath their clueless facade.

Personally, I think it's none.

>>12267009
SDM has no hag (older character who is wise and shit), even their mistress is just a child.

The closest thing to a hag they have is Fatchy, and Fatchy doesn't even leave the house.

would the three factions present in symposium of post-mysticism not be the top three? With the 3 gods being the strongest?

>>12266980
True true.

>>12267017
Hell naw, these guys still need faith to sustain themselves.

Eientei, Yukari, the ghosts, the former hell don't need that shit.

>>12267021
then why were they not invited or even mentioned at symposium?

Kanako is succeeding in becoming a god of technology and progress and the others are building power as well.

Also, Was anyone else surprised at how straight forward everyone was about humans just being kept in a zoo and a leader of men would fuck it all up?

just recently read symposium of post-mysticism.

>>12267022
Because these guys are the new characters of the religious war arc, the other crews are old news.
>Also, Was anyone else surprised at how straight forward everyone was about humans just being kept in a zoo and a leader of men would fuck it all up?
Not really, since it's true, Gensokyou is created with youkai first and foremost, and it's fair really considering traditional youkai is almost extinct in the rational outside world.

>>12267024
>Gensokyou is created for*

>>12267024
but having such a system in place in which one war, pandemic or other such catastrophe would decimate the youkai world is not good planning. Gensokyou was poorly planned.

I would like more serious stuff like symposium of post-mysticism, but it feels to weird when i think of the games.

I was really hoping for one of the symposium factions to be on humanities side, as in human revolutionary, but all three were fine with the zoo

These 2 would wipe the floor with everybody.

>>12267038
The barrier can keep Gensokyou from these common sense happenings, not to mention Eirin can cure all kinds of diseases and Kanako is looking forward to build independent energy for gensokyo.

>I was really hoping for one of the symposium factions to be on humanities side, as in human revolutionary, but all three were fine with the zoo
The only one who's probably not fine with the current situation/pro-human is the Miko/taoist faction, but she's the newest so she's just trying to maintain her position for now.

>>12267038
in addition, with the human population being so vital and all, why does anyone let spider girl infect humans with potentially extinction level diseases?

>>12266508
>generic enemy and stage 2 boss being among the strongest in gonsokyo

>>12267042
Because Eirin is there and Yamane is reasonable, she doesn't try to wipe out of all humans and she rarely comes out of her cave.

>>12267038
Never mind that all these happenings already happen, war (technically there is a war of faith going on), multiple earthquakes (the strange weather incident) and diseases (the flower incident), and the humans and youkai survive all that, so it's proof that they can survive.

>>12266979
Would the Oni faction really be led by Suika? She doesn't seem exactly like leader material.

>>12267059
Oni is led by the strongest, which would be Yuugi.

But Yuugi would follow Satorin anyway.

>>12267059
Oni don't seem like they would pick a leader who was leader material.

>>12267059
Suika was one of the oni generals and a Deva of the Mountain, but maybe Yuugi could lead instead while Suika merely represented them.

>>12267044
The fuck is this shit? VIVIT is not 2hu.

>>12267044
This chart is really odd in general, why is Medicine so strong when Yamame is so weak?

Medicine has less control in her power than Yamame.

>>12267064
They seem like they would just follow whoever could kick the most ass regardless of how good their decision making skills are.

>>12267072
The chart makes no sense, it's best to just ignore it.

>>12266688
Ah yes, I forgot Hina, the goddess of misfortune.

This one is a really wild card since I don't know how strong she is, she seems scary though.

Yakumos on top in power/ultimate influence, though they're pretty much entirely behind the scenes. I think the Buddhists and the Moriya people have a lot of pull among the general populace, as does Eientei.

>>12267115
If you mean the general human populace, Byakuren isn't popular at all because she's very pro-youkai, and Moriya is hidden deep inside youkai territory so it's hard for humans to get there.

Only Eientei is smart enough to open a clinic in the human zoo.

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>>12266688
Alice ain't got shit on Patchoulli

>>12267174
Hmm, I wonder who's stronger.

Alice's been around for longer and was trained by Mima.

>>12267180
Patchouli is 100 years old but age is a number so who knows

>>12267180
I dont really know much about pc-98 canon but are you sure she was tarined by Mima

>>12267187
Yeah, she's a maid/servant of Mima in PC-98 canon.

>>12267198
I think you might be mixing some stuff

>>12267204
Maybe I confused her with Marisa?

>>12267212
better run back to the touhou wiki to brush up on your knowledge, you fucking secondary

>>12267212
Maybe

>>12267216
I dislike quoting 2hu wiki because sometimes shit's wrong.

>>12267219
Yeah, but it's probably less wrong than you. People gotta start somewhere.

>>12267224
Here you go then:
>Later, Mima eventually encounters Alice again, who challenges Mima to a rematch. Aferwards, Mima forces Alice to be her maid. As Alice serves her, Mima decides that maybe she'll become a god, after all.
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Mima

MIMA!

>>12267262
That route may not be canon, however. That was just part of the Extra stage in Mima's route.

>>12267180
Alice wins if she has her grimoire, otherwise Patchy takes it. Not that it matters, since Marisa and Byakuren can demolish both of them, assuming Alice isn't using the grimoire.

>>12267276
Marisa winning against Alice? I have trouble believing this, danmaku aside.

>>12267279
The Mini-Hakkero alone can reduce a mountain to ashes, and Marisa is good enough to keep up with Reimu. Marisa just has enough fire power and speed to take down anything Alice brings out, including Goliath.

>>12267285
Firepower isn't anything if you can't hit though. You would just tire yourself out.
Alice has wider range of magic and she can control her dolls better.

why dont Alice use magical book

>>12267295
So she can fall back on "Well I wasn't even trying!" excuse when she loses.

>>12267291
>Alice has wider range of magic
But that's wrong, objectivity
All we've really seen from Alice is doll manipulation, whether that means having them fire lasers, explode, or just fire danmaku.
Marisa has been shown to use lasers, magic missiles, explosive potions, ice magic, fire magic, Orreries Sun, and more. Not to mention she has a lot more experience in a fight, and it's been stated that Alice has to focus on her dolls, leaving her open for attacks.

>>12267312
Not to dispute anything but explosive potion isn't magic, isn't it? That's alchemy?

remove youkai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwZY31uDZIY

>>12267357
I assume it's made using magic. Regardless, it's another tool in her arsenal.

>>12266440
Organized and powerful factions:
1) Hakurei Shrine (Reimu)
2) Scarlet Devil Mansion (Remilia)
3) Hakugyokurou (Yuyuko)
4) Mayohiga (Yukari)
5) Eientei (Kaguya & Eirin)
6) Youkai Mountain (Lord Tenma & Local Gods)
7) The Moriya Shrine (Kanako & Suwako)
8) Palace of the Earth Spirits (Satori)
9) Myouren Temple (Byakuren)
10) the Taoists (Miko)

Not powerful enough:
11) Human Village (Keine, Akyuu)

Unaligned but powerful:
12) Mokou
13) Yuuka
14) The Onis
15) Marisa
16) Alice

Unaligned and weak:
17) Fairies (Cirno and co.)
18) Trash youkai (Rumia, Mystia, Kogasa, Wakasagihime, etc)

Palace of the Earth Spirits is powerful thanks to Okuu, not the satoris. I'm probably forgetting a lot of people.

>>12267408
>I'm probably forgetting a lot of people.
0) The Ministry of Right and Wrong (Eiki)
Tops the power of everybody else, but doesn't oversee "just" Gensokyo.

>>12267408
Does Yuyuko ever really do anything? She seems pretty content just to hang out and play with Yukari.

>>12267417
Other than going and causing an incident when she's bored? Nope. But I suppose you could call Mayohiga and Hakugyokurou "the Yukari faction", since Yuyuko seems happy to just go along with Yukari plans.

>>12267417
Yes, she takes care of the ghosts and the whole Ghostly realm (though Youmu still does most of it), she technically has a job unlike Yukari.

>>12267421
Nah, Yuyuko's job is different than Yukari, they are just close friends.

Yukari is just causing ruckus all the time, while Yuyuko actively fixes incidents related to ghosts and calms the youkai trees in the garden.

>>12267427
>youkai tree*

>>12267422
>>12267427
Please. Yukari is the youkai sage. Her "job" is keeping Gensokyo in one piece.

>>12267422
You could argue that Yukari is the lynchpin that keeps Gensokyo Gensokyo.

>>12267436
She maintains the barrier yes, but Reimu also does that and fixes incidents.

Yukari spends half of the year hibernating or something and leaves everything to Ran.

>>12267439
If you ever worked with Help-Desk, there's level 1 technicians that are the poor souls answering the consumer' calls. These are the most overworked and fix the most common problems. If there's something the level ones can't fix, they will call a level 2 technician. If there's something a level 2 technician can't fix, they'll call a level 3.

The level 3 technicians are the most knowledgeable about the system, but in fact will spend most days in stand-up.

Yukari gets involved if the problem is large or complicated enough. If it's something Reimu or Ran can fix, why bother interfering?

>>12267449
That's not how a good worker is supposed to be though.

For example from other office workers, Yuyuko is lazy and eats a lot but she's always there for you in case of emergency regarding ghosts, Eirin is also willing to take care of any patients any given time if they are transported to EET, sometimes given free treatment, Shikieiki uses her free time to help people reforming their sins and improving karma meter while Yukari uses her free time to sleep and causes ruckus.

And when the problem is really complicated, most of the time it's caused by Yukari herself, or Yukari requests help from some people because she can't fix it alone anyway.

Not that I hate Yukari or anything, but she's not a good worker model.

>>12267408
Reimu can't be a faction if she's by herself.

The Celestials may be the strongest faction. The Eldest Daughter can beat almost everyone in Gensokyo. In touhou, imouto are always stronger than oneechan so there are even stronger Celestials than Tenshi.

Second place would be Shiki or the moonbitches, hard to say. Shiki is stronger than Yukari but the moonbitches also beat Yukari and they're also strong enough to kick out their immortal Princess and their Teacher.

>>12267464
As (famously) said by Reisen in Soku if she wins against Tenshi:
"Even Heaven is not at the top of everything.
From the moon, it's still on the ground."

>>12267464
You can't consider the celestials based on Tenshi. She's a special case in that she's bored and not virtuous, but mostly everybody else in her realm should be enjoying a deva's life as reward for good deeds. They want to eat peaches and praise the gods and not cause (or fix) troubles.

>>12267463
You may have a point, but the Hakurei Shrine is a pillar of Gensokyo, so it should count as more than an individual.

>>12267457
Yukari is very mindful of what being a youkai means. Not being a good model probably reinforces her youkai nature.

>>12267464
Why do people say Shiki is stronger than Yukari? That one line in Seasonal Dream Vision about the three of them (Yukari, Yuyuko, Reimu) being no match for her isn't in reference to fighting but instead argument - Shiki would lecture them for ages (especially Yukari and Reimu, the cunts that they are), so they avoid her because who wants to be nagged when they're just trying to enjoy themselves? As far as the moonbitches go, they're probably stronger in a straight up fight. Historically things are stacked against Yukari (lost moon war, Silent Sinner) but you could argue that she wasn't really looking for a fighter in either case. It's said that the first lunar war resulted in souring the idea of hostile invasion to the youkai masses of Gensokyo. In Silent Sinner she flat out surrenders because she was acting as a diversion. She didn't want to actually fight them, she just wanted to flip them the bird in a way that they couldn't get her back for. That and the one girl practically threatened to nuke Gensokyo on the spot.

>>12267486
>Yukari is very mindful of what being a youkai means. Not being a good model probably reinforces her youkai nature.
This makes sense I guess.

Yukari always want people to be surprised and fear her like a how a youkai is supposed to be, even when it's completely nonsensical shit.

>>12267408
>Unaligned

>Fairies

Except the ones with the most exposure, firmly aligned with the Hakurei Shrine

>Kogasa

Myouren temple. You could probably count in Mystia as well.

>Wakasagihime

Youkai Grassroots Network.

>>12266519
SDM has Meiling and Meiling's foot soldeirs.

>>12267680
>Hakurei Shrine
If they are aligned with Hakurei, why do they never help Reimu out?

>>12268190
Because they're fairies? They aren't exactly fighter types and despite their deception abilities are pretty good, they can't even beat Cirno 3v1. Also, they seem to constantly run into people who can sense them anyway. Not to mention they're frightened by a puppy at one point in the manga.

>>12268190
But of course they do.

>>12268293
Faeries have the minds of small children. If in the next frame Sakuya tells them to help the SDM for some candy, they'll forget Reimu and do it.

>>12266597
I would totally play a Gensokyo civilitation

>>12268324
They've been staying with Reimu for years now.

>>12268228
>>12268293
Man, I wanna FUCK a fairy.

>>12267487
>>12267487
I haven't read Silent Sinner, but can Yukari defeat Lunar bitches if she really intend to duel them to death?

>>12268388
Why?

>>12268460
It's unknown. The moon definitely has superior magic/technology and the Watatsukis are strong (sword girl beats Reimu, Marisa, Sakuya, and Remilia pretty handily), but I can't imagine Yukari losing a fight she needs to win. They probably have her beat when it comes to pure power, but Yukari is all about schemes and deception.

SDM STRONG!

>>12267044
>shizuha aki
>can make leaves turn
Wow.

>>12267072
Some people think that putting their "headcanon" into a chart will make it true.

Hmm. Well I dunno, but whatever this is looks spooky enough.

>>12268510
Why can't Mamizou wear that outfit all the time?

>>12268354
But wait, there's more!

>>12268549

that ain't cirno. what's he trying to pull?

>>12266688
>Conviction sisters (Shikieki and Komachi)
If you want to argue that the Celestial Bureaucracy is the strongest faction in Gensokyo, I'd agree. Komachi by herself isn't a top threat.

>Eientei (Eirin, Kaguya, Mokou, KANE, Reisen, even Reisen, the supposed weakest, managed to beat Remi, Yuyuko and a weakened Yogibear in her route in SWR)
Victories in danmaku doesn't count much. Cirno is not stronger than Okuu or Marisa. Eirin is probably the strongest Magician in Gensokyo and probably one of the strongest overall in ZUNinverse. But she's willingly limiting herself to Kaguya's level. (which is still strong as fuck, so Eientei is probably the second strongest faction in Gensokyo).

>Yakumo household (Yogibear is the oldfag's classic strongest youkai, Ran is quite powerful as well)
Yukari is not as magically proficient as Eirin and doesn't have a special ability so strong as say, Shinki or Yuugi, but she's a master planner. Furthermore, she had a hand in Gensokyo's creation so should know exactly who stuff works there. She heads the third most powerful faction thanks to home turf.

>>12268477
Reimu wasn't really trying since she wasn't on the protagonist side, but I think Yorihime was right regardless. I'm not too sure where I read it, but the moonbitches have access to stronger gods to summon, and Yorihime is far more experienced than Reimu in being a vessel for gods. I think Reimu only started training to call upon gods in... SSitB?

If we're not counting the moon race, Eientei is probably the strongest faction in Gensokyo. Eirin is too ridiculous to be beaten, not to mention Kaguya is somewhat broken as well; the power to manipulate the eternal and instantaneous.

After them would probably be Reimu, who pretty much singlehandedly destroyed Makai and never loses. After that would probably be Yukari, but it's not too clear on how powerful she really is. The parameters and borders of her ability aren't particularly defined and we haven't seen what she's capable of, but it seems she created Gensokyo and has forced gods/powerful youkai to live in her paradise/cage.

I honestly wouldn't place any of the local gods or the Moriya shrine particularly high because of their reliance on faith, and the fact that Reimu's ability let's have the power of any god she wishes(SSitB, you take a piece of a god and obtain the power as the vessel, and that tiny insignificant piece has the power of the full god). I'd say Moriya shrine would only be powerful due to Sanae.

The Yama group probably isn't all that great since they're having trouble killing hermits. Then again, maybe they're not really trying or Eiki can't get off her ass to punish so-called evil hermits. Then again, they have to be decently strong to force more powerful youkai to die permanently.

Honestly, the other groups are probably insignificant.

>>12267044

>patchouli
>only yokai known to be weaker than humans

But that's not true, almost all Magicians are physically of equal strength or weaker than humans. Marissa or Alice for example could not beat a full grown man in a physical confrontation.

>>12268629
Alice could just use puppets and Marisa could just beat him with a broom.

>>12268651

Yeah but that's using magic. Physically, they're the same strength as humans. If you threw a rock at Alice, it would be just as likely to kill her as it would you.

>>12268655

beating someone with a broom isn't magic dude

>>12268629
Would you be able to beat Marisa or Alice in a fist fight?

>>12268655
Throwing rocks at Alice sounds like a fun evening activity.

>>12268665

it's what all the kids in the village do

>>12268664
They should be more than capable of battling men in a bar-room brawl.

>>12268651
>Alice could just use puppets
But that's magic.

>Marisa could just beat him with a broom.
A vicious 14yo girl with a broom is still a 14 years old.

>>12268657
Marisa's broom is about as dangerous as Alice's boots or Patchouli's nearest book: It's something they use to shove people back into spell devastation range.

>>12266440
This

Everyone knows who runs shit in Gensokyo

>>12269871
Yeah, good thing it's not money she's burning.

>>12268629
How much physical freedom does Marisa need to use her spells? If a grown man pinned her arms, would she be helpless?

Where is it defined that Eirin is powerful at all? I mean yeah she's one of the last enemies you battle against in Imperishable Night, but I was under the impression that all she really does is make medicine and shoot Danmaku/lasers/etc.

Most powerful faction in Gensokyo? It's probably the Hakurei Shrine on the basis of being able to call upon as many allies as possible if anybody actually decided to threaten them. If I recall, Reimu being killed would pretty much signify the end of Gensokyo?

As far as having ridiculously strong people in the faction and it just being a "what if they fought with no repercussions" thing, Old Hell looks like it has the largest number of heavy hitters, with folks like Yuugi, Satori, Koishi and Okuu down there hanging around, and they'd also probably be able to call on Suika if they really had to. As powerful an individual like Tenshi, or Yuuka can possibly be, could you really compete against a large number of heavy hitters like that? Just my opinion anyways.

>>12269942
ZUN has stated that the Lunarians are basically gods/goddesses, and that Eirin is a particularly powerful Lunarian.

Source: some panel or other. Look it up.

>>12269949
Thanks Anon, that opened up a little bit and helped me find something about it.

"My thought is that the Lunar Capital is where the highest, noblest gods live. On the other hand, Gensokyo is where the more friendly, indigenous gods live. I figured that there are factions even among gods. Eirin is one of them, which is why she isn't interacting with the other humans after she moved to Gensokyo. "

Basically, in Symposium of Post-Mysticism, ZUN says that. It sounds to me like he's just saying that there are factions of Gods, and the ones that are more like... Nobles live on the moon, while other gods live on Earth.

And earlier, ZUN says this: "That's because the Lunar Capital and the dwelling of a hermit are rather similar. The residents of the Lunar Capital are closer to hermits or celestials than humans. "

So how powerful do we consider Hermits or Celestials to be?

(Thanks again by the way anon)

>>12266440
>this thread

>>12269965
Eirin taught the watatsuki sisters (from warfare to trickery) and Yorihime beats the crap out Reimu, Marisa and Remi.

>>12269992
I can't find any sources that explain what Eirin taught the Watatsuki sisters, only that she is a distant relative, was their teachers so that they'd be able to take over her position when she left, and that ZUN intentionally wrote them to be 'untouchable' so that SSiB could even have a plot. (And to demonstrate what Reimu could be if she trained).

The aforementioned interview makes it seem like the strongest characters flat out might be the Watatsuki Sisters and Tewi's trickery.

>>12270010
Eirin was the head of the lunar emissaries (basically the moon's military) before the watatsuki sisters, and she taught them for they to replace her, for this, I can make a logical connection that Eirin taught them what they should know to protect the moon/being the leader of lunar emissaries.

>>12270021
And the watatsuki sisters and Eirin are still prone to trickery, as explained in SSIB and Cage of Lunatic Runagate (very good read), they are just very strong and knowledgeable.

>>12268564
>Reimu, who pretty much singlehandedly destroyed Makai and never loses
oh boy, fan theories on top of referring to pc-98
she loses all the time, also

>Reimu's ability let's have the power of any god she wishes
Channeling doesn't just mean poof I have superpowers.

>The Yama group probably isn't all that great since they're having trouble killing hermits.
>Eiki can't get off her ass to punish
This isn't the Yama's job, it's the kishin.

>>12269942
Eirin is kind-of-subtly implied to be some elder god.

>>12269949
Lunarians aren't gods themselves, they even have their own gods. They're just leagues beyond Earth in many ways.

>>12269965
>And earlier, ZUN says this: "That's because the Lunar Capital and the dwelling of a hermit are rather similar. The residents of the Lunar Capital are closer to hermits or celestials than humans. "
>So how powerful do we consider Hermits or Celestials to be?
It's about their lifestyles and such, not silly powerlevels.

>>12270027
Eirin is the Shinto god of knowledge, omoikane.

She was older than the mooninites since she knows well both the earth and the moon.

>>12270031
I recall it being said that Lunarians originated from Earth in the first place, and regularly send emissaries to earth to help them get to the moon later. They also claim to have created Youkai, and yeah it basically is stated that Eirin's as close as it gets to being a God.

I think I'm done researching how strong Eirin might be now.

>It's about their lifestyles and such, not silly powerlevels.

Yeaaaaah, took me until like, right after making that post to figure that much out.

>>12270037
You need to read Cage of Lunatic Runagate.

>>12270037
Lunarian indeed originated from earth, but Eirin was different because she knows of Earth well, unlike actual native lunarians, so she's very old, comparable to the first earthlings who left Earth for the moon.

>>12266455
>Tengu not higher up

That one guy who plows Aya silly by canon though I forgot his name would have a word with you.
>SDM meaning shit
Bitch isn't invited to the hag meetings, and only get a meal deal because she fucked with fate to change here sire.

>>12267044
>Yuka
>not ex Tier
>"strong magical powers"

she has the ultimate magic

that chart sucks

Eirin isn't high enough either

also what's with this "Neil Armstrong" and "the ability to manipulate chairs" ecksdee bullshit? seriously the author bitches about Cirno jokes and puts that shit in there?

why would anyone save this?

>>12270067
She gains ultimate magic in Mystic Square and uses it in Seihou.

I don't know if it's "canon" anymore.

>>12270041
Like I seriously recommend it, it's not just for the lore, it's an exciting piece of literature.

>>12270075
Oh I have read it before, along with the tewi inaba rabbit thing. S'why I made that joke about tewi's trickery being able to beat the sisters.

I could read it again though, but I don't have the files anymore. I'll uh... buy a copy somewhere iunno.

>>12270078
Nah, that's Inaba of the Earth, Inaba of the Moon, that's the 4koma series.

Cage of Lunatic Runagate is literature, telling the different sides' perspective in the 2nd Lunar invasion arc while SSIB just tells the main story and shows the fights.

>>12270081
I meant I read them both together. Cage in Lunatic Runagate is the sidestory/afterstory thing for SSiB, if I'm incorrect, well. Then yeah I am making a mistake.

>>12270084
Oh well, if that's true, then it's good.
I read Inaba and Cage but not SSIB.

>>12266597
I want to be a citizen in Remilia's Scarlet Municipality.

Kanako is the only one who we've seen that was sealed by the Lunarians for being a threat to them.

Even sealed, shes still top tier among residents of Gensokyo.

Surprised no one has mentioned this.

>>12270875
source for this?

>>12268491

This. The Scarlet Devil Mansion is currently teaching me how to play Touhou. So I am learning from the strongest teachers.

The second boss is the strongest though.

>>12271149
It was in SSiB, but it never actually says it's about Kanako.

>>12270875
It was Take-minakata who was sealed by the Lunarians. Yes, Kanako is definitely based on same myth of Take-minakata and they're closely related in that sense, but it's too much of a stretch to say that she was the one who was sealed. Especially since she's existed with Suwako since the war. She's also a god that was once a divine spirit, not a native god.

>>12269871
looks like you posted the wrong pic. i forgive you though

>>12271221
The one that's insipired by Take-Minakata is Suwako.
Kanako is the mix of Take-Mikazuchi and Minakata's wife Yasakatome.

>>12271235

>>12271221
>>12276209
It actually makes more sense for Suwako for be Takeminakata, since it matches with MOF's theme of the central myth (Yamato mythology and the Kojiki) and the native myths. Alot of Takeminakata's traits (hunting, mountains, water, metallurgy, etc) originated with Mishaguji/Moriyashin, and Takeminakata building a nation and losing to the invading Yamato sorta coincides with Suwako's backstory. Likewise, Takemikazuchi originally wasn't apart of the Izumo quelling myth (nor was Takeminakata), and it was just Futsunushi and his father Amanofuhi who came from the heavens to take over Izumo for themselves. Takemikazuchi was probably a deity of a clan who became dominant during the time the Kojiki was written, and had Futsunushi's attributes mixed with his.

Course, you know fanon, western or japanese alike, does not care one bit about this.

>>12270027
She loses, but she can rematch until she wins.

So that's kind of counts of 100% win rate? I guess... best 2 out of 3? Infinite retries?

I think she only actually loses like... twice in canon? If you don't count all the times she had to retry

>>12279353
ZUN still has those strong enough to not be put in the games, such as the moonbitches.

>>12279336
...but you care anon!

>>12279362
Reading through /jp/, I realize like we're all neets operating on nearly 0 sleep. Have you ever read what you posted on /jp/ and just thought "Wow, this doesn't even make sense, I forgot to add so many words".

I remember once I

>>12279376
...wut?

>>12279379
I messed, didn't I?

I made myself look like a fool, didn't I?

The Jay is a cruel place.

Why doesn't ZUN just revisit the Lunarians and their relation to the Yamato and whatnot? That'd be more interesting than the religion war bullshit or Seija

>>12280540
>Will we see more interaction between the Lunar Capital and Gensokyo?
>That would be tough. Perhaps we should leave that until humanity travels to the moon again? Not by NASA, but a private, for-profit venture could possibly happen any time. In the past it was spurred by the Cold War, and now it seems like the main motivation is money.
Read the damn literature, nerd.