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Anyone have any idea where I can get the Elona Graphics Pack updated for Elona+? I heard it was floating around here

Here's the Monster Girl sprite sheet for 1.38 if anyone missed it!

I noticed only now that little girls are Arcueid clones. how comes there is no uber little girl vampire somewhere?

>>12234301
oops

http://www.mediafire.com/view/4c9chzb4zcmafbp/character06172014.bmp

>>12234303
There is if you evolve the young lady twice.

>>12234219
It was uploaded a few months back but I don't have a link anymore. It would be nice for it be uploaded again and added to the pastebin or something, the graphics pack has a lot of neat etc pcc parts.

Since I didn't like holy veil and Lulwy trick animations I'm currently using this. wonder if someone else did custom effects.
by the way, stuff like Anime 45 is actually used in the game? I never saw it

>>12234303
How the fuck did I not realize that...

>>12234388
Well, now I know what custom npc I'm going to do next.

Is there any detailed information at all on how to find better crafting materials? Anything that matters like dungeon level or skill level of the gathering skills? I don't see any difference at all from raising my skills to 50+ and going into level 60+ dungeons.

>>12234438
The difference would be, that if your skills weren't that high, you'd always fail when gathering materials.

>>12234444

is that really it? crap like generators and a few other things just seem to get super rare in the lastest versions to point where it's pointless to make your own change material scrolls and just invest in shops.

>>12234449
a way to get rare materials is to get an NPC with a high relevant skill, then let it kill things. if you have Friend or above you can get materials from it.

>>12234310
I'd prefer if you dont reupload it, that way I can keep track of how many people are actively using each version.

http://puu.sh/9xlHx.bmp

>>12234618
Not him, but I tried posting your puush earlier and got hit with the spam filter.

>>12234219

Seconding the desire for this. Surely someone has it?

I substituted that tornado thing of throwing weapons with something that seems more fitting.
probably it would be best used for guns, though...
if someone have a better idea please let me know.

Looking at the wiki I see that some corpses can increase your resistances to things permanently, with a maximum at ##. I should be doing this to me and all of my allies, shouldn't I?

>>12235975
Only for good pets, it would be wasted for the ones that become obsolete at high levels

>>12236003
But I don't want to use different pets! They're my friends!

>>12236024
Then just find a strong pet and add your friends genes to it. this way they'll always be with you

>>12236031
That's horrible. I would never do that.

>>12235975
Keep in mind that it's not guaranteed, so if there's a certain element you want to increase resistance you might want to consider catching the creature whose corpse gives resistance and putting them in a ranch so you can get more corpses.

>>12236043
Yea, that's what I was planning to do.

>>12236036
weak.

>>12236048
Typical rich Elea kid. I'm sure his pets are all males

So is levelling up by gene-engineering supposed to be absolutely fucking pointless? Because I wasted a ton of money and ores on raising my little girl's potential and all I got from gene-engineering her with with a level 80 monster was about ten points in each stat.

>>12236134
From my experience, which may be dated since it was mostly in Vanilla Elona, the ideal method of gene engineering is to use a donor that is exactly 1 level higher and with better stats. Doing that repeatedly with suitable monsters should maximize stat gains.

My observations:
Stat gains are always +10, never anything else.
Level gain is always the average of the two plus 1, rounding up. (1 and 3 should give 3, for example).
Stats are only increased if the donor has a higher level.

>>12236147
Welp, looks like I ruined my little girl then. I guess I'll just designate her as a house pet or something.

Precious weapons stats depend of my level when I get them?

>>12236191
Yep, but you can reroll them with Scrolls of Superior Material when you're at a higher level to get better stats.

At long last, I have finally fucked a Goddess

>>12236206
I thought that only material kits could change precious items?

>>12236207
jure is better

>>12236216
Scrolls of SM have a secondary use with precious items that causes them to reroll rather than change material.

>>12236223
That's simply your opinion.

Luck is one of the most important aspects in all we do.
Plus I just like Catgirl Goddess better.

>>12236231
Personally I'm more a Lulwy man, but I recognize your good taste

>>12235308
Use spoiler tags around each .
Or just wait for me to post it, I'm (usually) always around.

>>12236024
Train train train! I've got my friends with me too! It's a longer and more grueling path, but I wouldn't trade them for the world!

>>12236223
That's not Kumiromi! He helps you push yourself to protect the things around you! Teaches you work hard and never give up, because you've got that hidden second wind just waiting to be used!

And vegetables are tasty!!!

>>12236329
I prefer Ehekatl, but Lulwy is an excellent other choice.
Dominant Goddess comes close.

>>12236207
How do you do this with a god? I'm sure I've seen something about it before but at the time it confused me.

>>12236425
Squeeze~.

>>12236151
They get to the point where you aren't getting boosts going 1 level at a time anyway, so it's not necessarily a waste. It's pretty hard to know what kind of stats you're going to be looking at when you get them near 100 or so. The skill levels on your little girl are going to be more important since it's easier to gene engineer the stats to a decent level than it is to train the skills she would need to be decent.

>>12236425
There's a rape thing you can do with the squeeze special action, but what he has there is probably just a random event while sleeping and having her as a pet.

>>12236480
You don't need to recruit them as pets.
Invite one of the gods to stay at your house and give them gifts bought from shops, and when they become at least "Friend," give them valentine's chocolates and several of Tokens of Friendship to get her to <Soul Mate>. Now it's consensual.
And then just squeeze her NPC.

You can squeeze any NPC with this method. You can use love potions too, as the gift items are somewhat rare, but that causes you to lose karma and will make them attack you.
Definitely don't want a Goddess attacking you

If you recruit them as a pet, you could have two of them!

>>12236511
Wait, you can invite people to your home? I don't remember that option.

>>12236564
You can invite gods if your house is at Rank 1.

>>12236003
>>12236024

Actually, capturing higher level pets is now less worth it, because high level pets find it harder to farm AP. I've stuck with my little girl up to now (evolved to valkyrie), and with some (AP) training, and she overpowers shit way above her level (not to mention mine).

>>12236134
Gene engineering should be used to increase pet levels(which is important for health and mana) and for additional body parts if that's what you want. If you want stats just keep your pets stat potentials high and have it kill monsters. Stats gains should be steady if your pets potentials are all at superb.

>>12236710
I also personally recommend the Herb In recipe for massive stat gains. I'm currently running a fledgling herb farm, but even with one or two herb foods every few (game) days, the stat increases are massive and, along with a not-quite-reliable-but-common-enough-stockpile stream of potential potions, it really supplements the growth of my dear friends. The effects are less pronounced on my character, though, so I just forewent it altogether. I could grind specific stats by myself whenever I want, anyway.

>>12236725
I second your recommendation. Good for pets and good for players looking to get their stats high.

If I teach my older sister, who is a ranged character, the skill Zero Shoot by spending AP points, will she use it when she is close to an enemy?

>>12236934
Yes. You'll probably also need to teach her the AI Adjustment for ranged frequency, if she still uses her melee weapons. Otherwise, no problem.

>>12236947
Oh okay, thanks. I'm definitely going to do that.

Is there any purpose for the Continuous Attacks special action? It always does way less damage than just attacking regularly for me.

Oh wow. the very first lightsabre I've made is alive! How cool!

I've found an unicorn horn. does it have any use except decresing npc sanity like wiki says?

>>12237599
There's a quest for which you need a load of them. Store them in your house.

>>12237601
>>12237599
Just go to the Mages Guild in Lumias, use a rod of teleport to teleport all the nearby NPCs away, and then pickpocket the unicorn horn there.

Now you'll get all the horns you want.

Any specific spawn areas for skeleton berserker?

>>12237635
Any dungeon around level 20.
do you have a bloody skeleton fetish?

>>12237635
Maybe try Crypt of the Damned?

Anyone else having crashes when they read scrolls of knowledge? Or did I fuck up my save?

>>12237888
The only crash I know of is when you use preaching. no idea about the versions beyond 35R2, which is the one I'm actually playing

I don't want to kill this little guy. He's so cute. I have a pet that looks just like him at home, named Ham.

>>12238153
Eye don't see why you should kill him.

>>12238153
Obliterate it. Tear it apart. Pull your dungeon chest from its broken body. Only the strong can live.

The loot must flow.

>>12238425
you're a meanie.

>>12238153
Protect all cuties!!!

>>12238418
>Eye
Nice meme!

>>12238427
If you weren't ready to commit hideous genocide, then you shouldn't have become an adventurer.

>>12238436
There are plenty of other lifestyle choices an adventurer can make without resorting to genocide.

>>12238444
Any lifestyle choice that doesn't include indiscriminate murder means you're not an adventurer. You're just someone who should be an NPC.

>>12238435
Thanks, nice greentext

>>12238447
Oh I'll indescriminately murder you alright.

To protect all that's cute in the world.

>>12238513
You must murder the strong and the weak indiscriminately to become the top of the heap.

Despair, and grow more powerful than any other. Only when you can kill the gods, will you understand what you have gained.

>>12238519
You're posting kotomine, but I don't think you understand his ethos or else you wouldn't be posting him.

All the same, I fight for a justice more powerful than any brute force!

>>12238524
Kotomine would say that there's no difference between killing one or killing a hundred, just a difference in whether you feel like you are guilty or not.

If you don't think you're guilty, but rather think it's what you should be doing, then why not do it? If killing a god will give you an answer, then you might as well try it.

There's no justice, nor fear of body counts. Just a search for truth by any means necessary. Even if you don't find your answer, at least you lived how you chose to live.

>>12238534
He said that everything deserves a chance at living, good or bad. He never condoned wanton murder, just that he personally was sadistic. In the grand scheme of things his entire purpose was protecting everything, good or evil. He's a hero, but not a very saintly one.

Your entire paragraph conveys to me you don't particularly understand the character from any standpoint other than a villain, or maybe that you never bothered to read heaven's feel.

But that's neither here nor there and has nothing to do with protecting the cuties in the league of nefia.
Lets not derail this further.

>>12238543
>In the grand scheme of things his entire purpose was protecting everything, good or evil.

His entire purpose was to understand whether something that was apparently born to embrace evil things/be evil (himself) deserved to live or not, and what such a creature should feel about its own existence and purpose. His only actions in life were to try and understand his own existence. He (REALLY) didn't care about anyone else. He didn't feel joy in their joy. He was not really attached to them at all.

He only protected what he felt was necessary to reach his answer. True, he envied their ability to feel like normal humans should, but he didn't personally care about them.

>He never condoned wanton murder

His wish, when activating the grail, was for everything to be destroyed. His only true joy was when everything horrible was happening in his view. He purposefully helped people so that they would go on to achieve greater suffering. Kotomine was a very, very bad person. He kept orphaned children to serve as living batteries for Gilgamesh. He felt nothing when his adopted father died. The only thing he felt when his wife died was that it would've been better if he had killed her himself. Murder is just what humans do. He wondered if it was only evil if one was pained by doing it.

>He said that everything deserves a chance at living, good or bad.

No, he "wondered" whether that was true or not. That line was said with immense sarcasm and admits the hypocrisy in helping something that he knows will be evil when released. Letting Angra Mainyu be born so that he could perhaps see what it would become, he hoped would ANSWER his own personal question.

Does something evil deserve to be born? Does it deserve to exist? Will anything such as "good" prohibit the existence of an absolute evil? Is it only an absolute evil if it considers itself as such? Is evil only evil if it feels pain for its existence? Or is it good if it is confident in the reason it exists?

>>12238554
shut up faggot you don't know

>>12238554
The only similarity between Shirou and Kotomine is that both lived for external reasons as if they themselves were not important, one to protect an ideal, one to protect the search for an answer. They both were willing to devote their entire existences to understanding what they were searching for.

And they were both unwilling to give up on the way they had lived their life. Shirou would walk willingly into self-less martyrdom, and Kotomine would walk willingly into a hell of his own creation, if necessary.

And if you're not willing to devote yourself to the path of an adventurer, which is slaughtering everything in existence that could potentially give you exp/AP or drop loot, then you are just faking it.

>>12238554
Stop using that fucking greentext. we have standards, you know.
also, you know what board is this, yes? the only board where in theory VN discussion threads are legitimate, yes. and knowing that you want to discuss Typemoon here in this thread? get a hold on yourself, retard
>>12238557
Great comeback.

>>12238573
hey leave me the fuck alone i dont want any of your shit

>>12238557
don't bully.

>>12238554
We're probably not going to see eye to eye on this, because a lot of it is going to be based on our personal moralities, but I seriously feel like you misjudged the character. I feel like you ignored a good bit of his discussions with shirou, and his entire reason for being the villain he was. I've got a lot I'd like to say, but again, this is an Elona thread, not a fate/ one. I'd be fine with discussing this with you in circles over there, but this isn't the best place for it.

>>12238577
you gonna stop me nigger

>>12238583
don't.

>>12238596
y

>>12238596
pls respond

>>12238573
>Stop using that fucking greentext. we have standards, you know.

You mean, using it for direct quotes? Like it was designed for?

Should I sing the "You are so new~" song in your honor?

>>12238577
I've been discussing Heaven's Fail with other people on /jp/ since long before you probably started posting on here. If anyone's misjudging Kotomine here, it's more likely to be you. Kotomine was not a good person. He did not do good things. He did not intend to do good things, even in his early life, other than the fact that that is what he *thought* he was supposed to do to become happy. But he was never happy doing them. In fact, he was only happy when he did things he *knew* were bad, according to general morale theory. His jealousy of other people was that they were allowed to be happy faffing about with each other doing normal things, whereas he was only allowed to be happy by doing things that society would punish him for.

His personal quest was to understand the existence of a person that was presumably evil (himself), understand if it was okay to find happiness in doing evil (which was all that made him happy), and whether or not evil was anything more than a point of view. He was the type of individual that would make a psychotherapist overdose on his own medication, because you can only condemn Kotomine on a personal level, and not an intellectual one. As far as magic-users go, Kotomine wasn't as sociopathic/psychopathic as most of them are, actually. He'd still be shunned for being more interested in existentialism than he is about reaching the root of all existence.

The culmination of this quest was in allowing the birth of an evil false god from the corrupted grail, half because he thought he might grasp an answer, and half because it was the most amusing thing he could think of doing at the time.

He is not a saint, just a marvelously good antagonist.

>>12238708
Take it elsewhere.

>>12238708
>I've been discussing Heaven's Fail with other people on /jp/ since long before you probably started posting on here.
confirmed faggot

>>12238719
Nothing to take elsewhere.

>>12238711
Hello, newfriend!

>>12238723
Well look, if you're posting here since so long (which I sincerely doubt) your childish behavior after being called out for acting like an idiot is even worse. what did you learn in all those years? to keep quoting who is attacking you so you win anyway? to deviate the topic so you're not wrong anymore? and kudos for using "what a newfag, rotfl", the epitome of oldfags repertoire. luckily your contribution to these threads is close to nothing and I can filter you without the risk of missing something.
sincerely, go kill yourself

>>12238794
If you're not faking it, then you have my pity.

>>12238806
Are you winning son?

>>12238807
I'm always winning, Lieutenant Dan.

Funny thing is that you can hide unwanted posts.

>>12238723

If you've been here for so long how come you can't link the proper posts?

Check and mate tripfag.

>>12238875
I did properly link them. I just didn't respond to them according to the link. Why? Because I can't be assed to care.

>If you've been here for so long

If you don't know who I am, then you are the one that hasn't been here for too long, by default. This is not an endorsement of my existence. Just a fact.

Anyone arguing seniority is an eternal newfag, no matter how long they've been shitting up the board.

should I get Anatomy or another skill first?

>>12238878
>If you don't know who I am, then you are the one that hasn't been here for too long, by default. This is not an endorsement of my existence. Just a fact.
Holy fuck dude you're worse than I thought

>>12238893
Please, don't feed this discussion anymore.
>>12238892
Get eye of mind.

>>12238892
Well all builds should have anatomy sooner or later. In my case I chose the former because I wanted to start working on my cooking skill as soon as I could. Anatomy increases the chance that monsters killed drop corpses which you use to cook meals. Being able to make your own food from the monsters you kill while dungeon diving is really useful. Aside from that though, what class and race are you? Depending on what you are and what you want to do there are certain skills that you should seek out asap.

>>12238892
Anatomy is a useful skill to build early on, as it will help with cooking and eventually it will become so good that you will have a ton of corpses and won't need to load up on food for dungeon diving as much.

You should just get every passive skill first, and then eventually every skill. I wouldn't worry about it much.

>>12238881
Yeah, yeah, being buttfrustrated at being the eternal summerfriend must be a hard life for you.

>>12238893
Enjoy your stay on /jp/.

>>12238892
Eye of Mind will help you a lot in the beginning. Critical hits help a lot.
Greater Evasion is good if you have high perception.
I don't see your attack skills, but get Firearms if you're that good with Marksman.
If you're melee, get Tactics.
Once you have all the good ones you need from above, pick a crafting skill so you can start grinding stats that don't really increase from fighting.
Anatomy is only really incredible once you get your own farm and can start breeding stat increasers, but you're better off getting it early so you have guaranteed food and can start training the skill.

>>12238940
Also, don't join a guild that you don't need the long term benefits from. You can get the skills by using rod of teleport other and disguise to talk to the trainers. Just be sure you get the fuck out before you lose the disguise, or your guild friends will mop the floor with you.

>>12238943
Depending on which version you use, incognito wearing off doesn't trigger aggro inside the guild hall (later Elona+ keeps aggro for the Guildmaster _only_)

>>12233894
Speaking of events, how's that project on replacing the event images going? I'm a bit excited to swap those over with cuter ones.

>>12238577
So, is Lulwy tsundere for Mani or what? And does that make Jure redundant?

>>12238951
Nice to know. I haven't had to enter the smelly halls of the other guilds in a long time.

>>12238964
something about how they once were close and had a really bad fight or something.

>>12238975
How cute

Are all the custom character images working for Elona+?

>>12239037
Portraits? or sprites? Sprites should be working, portraits supposedly need to be messed with a little.

>>12239047
I saw at the top there was something about an updated Elona Graphics pack >>12234219

Making a melee primary character for the first time, any advice?

>>12239069
Get eight arms.

>>12239069
Don't take advice. Finding out for yourself is a lot of fun with something like Elona.

>>12239069
Get the skill that lets you pull enemies to you.

>>12239089
You can't get that one. You can get the reverse.

>>12238940
>>12238925
>>12238919
>>12238901

thanks for the advice, I am playing Yerles Gunner

for Eye of Mind, should I join the fighter guild?

>>12239092
Right, you can get Draw Shadow as an effect on ranged weapons, though. Shadow Step is alright.

>>12239126
You can join fighter guild, but if you EVER plan on using magic, which you should, you should join the mage guild, instead.

>>12239126
Hello fellow gunner. Yes, you should join the fighters guild and get Eye of Mind. Learn all the skills at that guild from its trainer. Then join the thieves guild, learn all the skills from that trainer. Pickpocket is great for stealing nice items from adventurers that visit your home btw. Finally, like what >>12239149
said, join and stay with the mages guild so you can learn the skills required for magic and benefit from reserving spell books. Magic should definitely be acquired.

>>12239184
judging by your stats, I'm guessing you've finished all the quests? what is there to do in the lategame?

can you kill inner gods at your level? what is your primary weapon, guns or magic?

Hey guys, super noob question here: Is there an english version of ElonaPlus out there?

I stopped playing the original Elona around 2008, wanted to try playing again if the new one is in english.

>>12239470
Haven't finished all the quest lines but they're on my to do list. As for my endgame my goal is simply to become stronger so that one day I can kill the gods themselves. Sadly, even at my current state I'm not strong enough to bring them down(mewmew hijinks doesn't work in the more current versions of elona+) but that challenge coupled with the fact that new content for the game gets released periodically brings me back to the game.

My primary weapon is still my guns and it was my only source of damage and means of keeping me alive until my survivability hit a wall when I started doing high level dungeons. I decided to pick up magic at that point and it literally allowed me to do dungeons 50 - 100 lvs higher than my actual lv. I also found that magic would probably be my best bet against the gods anyhow considering they have insane PV/DV and you really do need contingency to survive some of their attacks. Also, for some reason they don't have resistance to magic too. So I've been playing mainly to lv up my spells.

Another thing that I've been doing as well is looking into pets. I imagine when you vs the gods you'll want something to distract and hopefully soak up some of the damage the gods do while I spam spells in the back. Pet raising is a side project I'm doing while lving my spells.

Currently my guns do more damage than my spells but my spells still do considerable amounts of damage and is useful against those with high PV.

>>12239509
Elona+ is only partially translated into English. Specifically, all of North Tyris can be played in English. South Tyris is partially translated and Irva isn't translated at all. Game is still playable though with North Tyris still offering lots of hours of gameplay. The new classes, races, pets, monsters, and mechanics introduced in Elona+ are interesting additions as well. If you end up doing South Tyris and Irva stuff just consult the wiki to guide you through the content. If you're still interested in playing you can download it off of the jp wiki that OP posted or just follow this link.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rjtmd247d6c6uma/ZCkmq9DI6J

>>12239531
what level dungeons are you doing?

what spells do you use?

you might want to consider switching to +spellpower gear to get extra damage.

>>12239624
I consider dungeons that are at my lv (lv 324 in my case) or lower to be safe dungeons that I can do without having to worry too much. Dungeons that are up to 100 lvs higher than me I consider challenging not because of the normal monsters in them but solely because of the bosses in them. If I see a boss that will be a real pain to kill I just leave. Dungeons that are much higher lv than me I just ignore. By playing by those rules I've set for myself I rarely ever die thus the penalties of death in the rare chance it does happen doesn't sting too much.

As for spells I mainly use magic dart(I have tons of stock of them, cheap mana wise, and I do a lot of dmg with them), lightning bolt(doesn't damage loot dropped, does decent damage if paired with elemental scar, lots of stock of this too), crystal spear(heavy duty nuke, not as strong as my magic dart yet but I know the damage scales better than magic dart), Cure of Jua(Best healing spell, getting to be pretty costly in mana and stock though), Teleport(Boss monster gets me weak I just teleport, caste Cure of Jua, and rejoin the fight), 4th dimensional pocket(Everything I don't want to carry gets thrown in there especially food since food in there never rots), Hero, Holy Shield, Elemental Scar, and Healing Rain for healing my pet.

I probably will don the spellpower+ stuff later for special fights and dungeons(Ex: The Void) but currently I'm doing most of my killing using a gun and just using magic for healing, buffs, utility. I switch to damage spells when I want to vary up how I kill things or when I want to lv them.

>>12238878
>If you don't know who I am
Jesus christ what a faggot. I'm not going to touch your posts even with a ten foot pole from now on

>>12238573
That shit isn't greentext, he's just using the quote function exactly the way it was intended. It only becomes annoying 'greentexting' when it abuses the quote function and is unnecessary.

my chara suddenly slowed down in the city and other NPC and my pet moves so fast. the turn also keep running. did I mess something?

>>12239811
Maybe you have too much cargo?

>>12242769
Jure a GHOST

>>12242896
holy ghost!

>>12242896
a CUTE ghost!

Fucking minotaur nest, I swear I'm gonna rape the life out of everything that's at the bottom and turn it in a tasty burger

>>12239811
You might have been affected by something that skips turns, like sleep, paralyzed or what have you. Also, you pet might have cast time stop.

Did you chara physically slow down (meaning your speed counter actually dropped) or was it just that your pets were going very fast?

>>12243299
that place is a pain for sure. Especially with the layout, I had to dig safe-spots in the wall so my pets wouldn't get picked off one by one or get surrounded.

>>12243774
This is why I have Houzanha! Such a fun skill. Very much worth the mining grind.

I still hate the boss there, with his stupid critical axe. I don't die often but he killed me in two hits the first time I met him.

>>12243852
You think that's bad? My fairy had to wait until level sixty-eight to kill him. Because otherwise he'd just score a random critical and one-shot me EVERY DAMN TIME.

>>12243859
Wow, that sucks. Here, have a hug.

>>12243868
Thanks, anon.

Mana Burst was unexpectedly effective.

>>12244713
It generally does do wonderful things if it doesn't kill you.

What a pain. I accidentally sold my good pair of wings, but they're available from that one person in the cyber dome. I have no idea how many dungeons I've run through looking for a Big Daddy, but I just can't find any, and I need probably around 7 or 8 little girls.

Damn it. I did a predator because warrior was too weak to magic, but I discovered it had enormous drawbacks. so I got back to juere warrior. but even with some inherited shit, I'm getting chain raped by stuff two levels more than me.
what the actual fuck.

>>12246510
What are your current level, stats, equipment, combat tactics, and pets?

>>12246510
Better equipment is more important to you than better character in the early game. Either take up jewelry for inferior material, or grind a bit of pickpocket and a house + maid to steal the good shit off of visiting adventurers. Or better yet, do both.

I'm currently rolling with a 33 Thief, and shadow step combined with the Thief passive ability is absolutely great. Evey time I'd shadow step towards an enemy that wasn't in "combat mode", it'd be an automatic crit. This helped me train Eye of Mind ridiculously fast after I got it.

Just teleporting around and one-shotting everything with a massive claymore makes me feel like some kind of ninja warrior. Feels pretty great.

Brb gonna climb Mt. Midoriyama.

Its possible to modify your character sprite accessing the editor in game? no, not the mirror one

>>12248278
When looking at your character stats and info press p which should bring you to the editor, I think.

Holy shit, it was a REALLY good idea to use Garok's Hammer on my speed ring. Before this I didn't have any resistance to magic, and I was scrambling around looking for a good item with resistance to confusion. So perfect, I did a little dance when I got it.

Here's something for anyone who didn't know this already. The detect objects spell will not only show where items on the map are, including the stairs to the next floor, but will show where enemies are as well. This can be very helpful if you want to avoid opening a door and finding a room full of baddies that you'd rather not deal with, especially in a higher level dungeon.

>>12246660
I've found that this trick is less useful when dual wielding, as only the first weapon gets the guarantee.

>>12248734
Cheater. There's no way you're that lucky, getting magic resistance like that.

Savescummer ;_;

>>12249514
I've tried savescumming with Garok's hammer, but it only ever gives the similar kind of enchantments every time. It also happens when doing it on different equipments. Similar enchantments each time. I guess he really is just blessed by Ehekatl.

>>12249514
>>12249520
I'm pretty sure garok's hammer is determined when you buy it and not when you use it.

>>12249536
Will try that out later and report my findings, because I think it's determined differently based on my experience
.

>>12249520
I've actually cheated to get hammers at different times, to see what would happen. I got the same enchantments. I think the hammer might give you the same enchantments based on your character seed.

No real evidence, but just a suspicion.

>>12249576
I had the same suspicion, but I'll try to see if this is true for Elona+,since I last tried it in vanilla Elona.

>>12249514
I don't think there's a way I can prove that I didn't save scum, so you'll just have to take my word that I didn't.
Does my luck stat play a part in this? I have a ton of luck.

>>12249663
Don't know. Considering garok gives specific enchantments when used multiple times, I don't think it's luck.

>>12240193
>>12243661
nvm I restart my PC and everything back to normal

My new project: the perfect antimagic armor.

1. Find a suit of randart full plates with almost no enchantments
2. Grind up the artifact enchanter to 2000. This takes 50+ scrolls of gain skill and maybe some awakened dungeon grinding.

3. Stack Ether Mirrors on the armor. They grant 2 stars of magic res for +160 enchant points, so I should be able to get 26 stars' worth. The great thing about magicres is that it reduces damage from other elements too. I'll become practically invulnerable to spells.

4. Savescum an adamantium material kit to get 155 PV and use a bunch of flying scrolls to get the weight down to ~2s.

>>12250519
Or... you know, make a fairy.

>>12250584
This offers way more survivability than fairy racial bonus. I expect to be able to tank inner gods.

>>12250519
The enchants that you can get on one piece of equipment have some kind of limit, after which it won't let you add any other enhancement. Are you sure that doesn't go over it?

>>12250875
160 pts per Ether mirror. the maximum enchant limit is 2000. considering it'll let you go over the limit for the final one, 13 ether mirrors = 2080.

It'll work so long as the artifact starts with <80 enchants.

Is there a way to refresh the possible servant pool for your house?

I seem to keep getting the same servant choices.
Yeah, it changes day by day, but the same names keep appearing.

I've been wanting a female wizard for awhile but I haven't seen one, I only get the same male wizard appearing occasionally.

>>12251879
Just change his sprite and pretend he's a girl

Guys, explain me again why having a hound as pet is a bad idea

>>12252534

Beastiality is bad unless it's a Dragon, son.

>>12252536
Enjoy your pulverized loot wyrmfucker

>>12252534
Low control magic means you'll probably suffer from friendly fire for a while, attack ai isn't very effective, will run out of stamina pretty fast spamming its breath attacks, and there are just generally a lot of better pets out there that make them redundant. Go find yourself an Orc Captain or something if you want a niché pet, their insanely large health pool makes them extremely reliable.

>>12252568
But I want one that shoots cool deth from its orifices

>>12252534
It'll destroy your loot and the breath attacks are just plain annoying

But go ahead and be a faggot, I won't stop you

>>12251993
No good
Fuck, I kinda wanted more magic store people too

>>12252582
Aside from three types no hound damages stuff.
thank god.

>>12251879
Get out of the house for a day or something. It gets populated the moment you enter the house, so savescumming won't help you.

>>12252534
Because elemental resists start pumping up real fast and they simply won't stand a chance. Besides, you can have breaths taght by Leold. You should invest in a pet with a more unique bonus.

>>12252941
>You should invest in a pet with a more unique bonus.
Never, I'll stick forever to theme pets that suck and you can't do nothing to stop me! HAHAHAHAHA!

>>12252951
What, hounds? I don't see a theme here.

>>12252965
No, I was talking in general

Tell me what's your favorite weapon.

>>12254334
kumiscythe

looks like Learning got a buff in the latest version. higher learning gets you a multiplier to XP gain sometimes, from 2x at low end to 5x at high end.

great race of yith as a pet, good or bad?
she doesn't die, but does insanity do anything to bosses?

>>12255352
Good. Four hands means lots of damage, four rings means lots of speed, insanity can do horrible things to enemies.

>>12255356
how do i do 4 weapons? i put 4 one handers on her and on her sheet it says 0% hit rate

>>12255362
Make sure they're <2 stone in weight, and you might have to let it train dual wield before the third/fourth swings have any real chance to hit.

>>12255352
Be careful with pets that can summon other creatures. They are not friendly to you, or your pet, and enemies summoned are at your pet's level or higher, which can lead to really bad things.

>>12254334
Oti Tsubaki - one of the few good precious weapons you can get very early on. Having it is a real boon.

>>12255425
You're confusing Shub-Nigguraths and Great Race of Yiths. SNs are the summoners, GRoYs are the melee horrors.

>>12252534
Breath attacks used to not work with control magic, so some of the older info on Elona tells you to avoid them to keep from wasting your own allies. The fire and ice destroying items and the low level of the hound's control magic skill are still relevant.

>>12255984
It doesn't look that special, although rubynus and 0.8 weight makes it great for fairies.

That piercing attack is good. But if you can take on all those little sisters you can probably find better. Or if you're just creative in killing them.

>>12256939
It's too easy - that's what makes it special.. Set fire to something and aggro the shopkeep sister. You'll probably get it to drop in 10-20 minutes, less if you're lucky.

At last, I have finally obtained a Lazy Older Sister!
And she came level scaled to 33 and with trained stats and attributes, which I didn't expect. They're pretty good too.

My cute girl harem team continues to grow...

Is EloSnack working for the latest version?

It took me half an hour, but I finally found one of the best house names I've seen in a while.

>>12257509
>no gorgeous sex dungeon

>>12257509

>>12257509

Elona+ is dead.
Time to abandon ship.

>>12258111
You said that in /rlg/ too but didn't provide any source. Back up your facts or fuck off.

I just found out about the map editor. Can I make a custom dungeon and share it with people?

Also, is modding possible?

>>12258164
ElonaPlus is a mod, what are you talking about?

None of you would happen to know what the whole story with Meshera was in South Tyris would you?

Or what about Lost Irva?

>>12258318
Given that Elona+ starts (apparently) after the events at Lesimas, I guess Meshera was allowed to reborn, so the Yerles army is trying to do something about it, and that's where you come in, to help them out. Haven't reached lost Irva yet, so I can't even begin to make this sort of baseless speculation.

>>12258318
>>12258339
Meshera isn't a being, it is a disease dormant within every living creature, according to what I've read. The etherwind keeps it dormant and whatnot.

My understanding of the story is that in the epilogue of Elon, after the adventurer recovers the treasure in the bottom of Lesimas, he disappears for a few years studying this artifact, eventually discovers a lost secret through the artifact that has something to do with the gods (perhaps how the gods came to BE gods), and the epilogue ends with the adventurer arriving in an unfamiliar land.

Presumably, that's where Elona+ picks up.

>>12258365
I think that South Tyris is where the adventurer's investigation into this secret takes place, and Lost Irva is where his investigation in South Tyris takes him.

Interesting tidbits of information.
While the dungeons in Elona are called Nefian ruins or something along those lines, they are not all strictly from the era known as "Nefia".

There have been several eras of civilization on the world, but for some reason the only surviving record of that era is in the bottom of Lesimas.

The Etherwind didn't exist before the Nefian Era.

The gods are members of what they call the "Eternal League of Nefia" (Elona).

Connect the dots.

So I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. I rolled a Tourist Lich with random stats. How much fun would I have while working on this character?

>>12258653
do you like dying? Honestly tourist is a real waste.

Ok /jp/, after much procrastination I want to try this, I don't know anything. What should I download? The pastebin is deleted.

Uh, I should stick to a single weapon to grind its skill or use different ones?

>>12258749
Nevermind, it actually works.
Does the stuff in the pastebin compatible with 1,34 work with 38?

I FUCKING SPENT THE LAST FEW HOURS BURNING DOWN THE YOUNGER SISTER MANSION AND GENOCIDING HUNDREDS OF THEM FOR THE OTI-TUBAKI AND WHEN I FINALLY FOUND ONE AND PICKED IT UP, IT CHANGED INTO SOMETHING ELSE

WHY
why
please someone tell me

>>12258841
The gods are trying to tell you something

>>12258841
There's probably another one either on the floor or in somebody's inventory.

>>12258841
That usually only happens when you've already picked up the precious item previously.

>>12258841
Nevermind, apparently two of them were spawned
Thank you scroll of oracle

>>12258851
Older sisters are better

>>12258854
yep
>>12258859
that's why it confused me
even if there were two of them, shouldn't the first I pick up not change?
oh well

Where's the English patch? I can't find it

>>12258882
Google "Elona PTHC". It's the first result.

>>12258885
Thanks anon

Is EloSnack working for the new version? Also, is there an updated data value chart somewhere?

>>12258882
the game's already in english ya dingus.
>>12258749
elona+ 1.38R
It's on the wiki.
>>12258777
What in particular? The monster girl sprite sheet is here.
>>12234618
Little sister interface and the music pack are both compatible but you'll have default tracks here and there.

>>12258946
The music and the little sister interface.

>>12258949
you're fine then. There'll be a few tracks missing but whatever. You can easily make your own music pack though.

WHEW, just tried to challenge Zeome, does his heal spell ever run out?! Too bad my silence spell is level 1 still.

>>12258972
Thanks.
How do I change portraits? Do I have to replace those gX.png images?

>>12258983
I dont think it does. I just outdamaged it with timestop and a small army.

>>12258984
change as in custom ones for your npc? Or the custom sets? If it's the former, there's a folder where you name them like face1.bmp, if it's the later it should be a replacement as long as the files are the same dimensions. There's a few floating out there that have a different resolution because they're made for a different mod.

>>12259022
Got it thanks, there even was gaijin friendly guide in the graphics folder.

>>12259021
I was hoping that the timestop on my Diablo would proc enough for me to do that, but it is very choosy. Also all my pets were dead before I got there, so I challenged him alone. Even though I had to Return out of there after about 15 minutes, it was still a pretty damn fun fight.

Time to stock up on some silence potions.

>>12258972
The music pack can work fine with new versions
All you gotta do is go in the Original folder, open up the musiclist file, go to user/music folder, open up the musiclist file there after you put the custom music pack there, and then copy the missing lines from the original musiclist to the custom musiclist

This will replace the old soundtrack with the new custom one but still keep the original music for the tracks not replaced by the music pack.

>>12258769
Ideally you'll pick something and stick to it, but weapon skill mainly influences accuracy so if you find some other weapon of a different type that's REALLY good, swap.

In an effort to see if the Player could lay their own eggs or milk, I threw a bunch of love potions at myself.

While I had no luck with eggs or milk, I discovered that you can form a relationship with yourself and go through the Amiable>Friend>etc.

It's nice becoming your own friend...

>>12259501
What if I don't want to be friends with myself?

I'm struggling with warrior again. its way too vulnerable to magic, probably because i'm prioritizing PV equipment. there's a way to gain resistance to slow, mist of frailness, scar and such or I'm forced to use magic resist equipment and hope hard? a master lich tears my ass apart with 1-2 bolts at level 23, I can't imagine what world of pain is waiting me at higher levels

>>12259539
There is no class that is better or worst off against magic. Races on the other hand is a different story. Fairies for example start with some good resists across the board but the trade off is that their equipment choices are limited due to item weight problems.

Having said that though there really isn't any reason why any of the other races can't improvise and thrive against spellcasting monsters. Slow, mist of frailness, and scar spells are all hexes and should be removed using the holy light spell, scroll, or rod so stock up on what you need. As far as liches are concerned most of them love to cast ice bolt. Therefore, find gear that stacks cold resistance.

>>12259509
Then don't do anything as you are at Normal by default with yourself.
Maybe throw cursed love potions if you want to hate yourself.

>>12259539
I'm a warrior in late game and it hasn't been a problem to me.
Resistances are more important than you think. Even "Little" resistance cuts elemental damage in half. Buff up your natural resistances by eating corpses and use armor for the rest. Regardless of class, everyone should do this.
I have resistances in every element and my base magic one is quite strong. Liches ain't shit.

And everyone, regardless of class, should invest in magic use.
Late game, classes don't really mean anything beyond the best bonus feat that fits your play style. I'm essentially a magic-using claymore with light armor and high DV but I still use warrior because I like the extra attack feat.

>>12259618
I second this. By focusing on resistances and developing strong mutations, I can handle dungeons well above my level.
No pets.
Just myself.

For a while I was wearing a piece of equipment that stunted my growth because I wanted my stats to outgrow my level because fuck getting ambushed by rogues.

>>12259670
Rogue ambushes are based off fame, not level. A level 2000 character with 10000 fame will fight pushovers. A level 1 character with 1000000 fame will likely die instantly if they get ambushed.

>>12259659
I used to do that but dungeon diving all by myself started to get lonely and so I started to heavily train and buff my pets.
My stat potential is ridiculous and my innate resistances are maxed so I thought it was time to put more effort into pets. That's my main focus now

It's actually not that hard if you have a steady stream of potions of potential from multiple invested magic shops.
Been buffing their resistances with corpses and herbed food generally will increase ALL of their stats, even speed. So get yourself a herb farm. Do some harvest time quests for seeds and get the Statue of Kumiromi for a steady supply of herb seeds. Train their attributes with blessed potions of potential and skills via the doujou. Try to put the herbs in top tier food like steak, omelets, or sushi, it will increase the attribute bonuses I think.
And of course give them those excellent leftover armor/weapons that you have been saving.

Having my team take on level 60 dungeons while I just walk around is a good feeling. So is waking up in a dungeon with breakfast made by my pets. Their breakfasts are free food and gives attribute bonuses to everyone in your party. Party Time Quests also give me shitloads of gold and music tickets via Ensemble.

Currently I got a Black Cat Thief with dual wielding, my original pet Little Girl Warrior, now a Valkyrie, and a Lazy Older Sister Gunner. Eventually I'd like to evolve my Black Cat into a Black Catsister and give her shadowstep, give my Valkyrie healing spells, and my Lazy Sister Zeroshoot via AP.

Sure, I could take on much higher level dungeons by myself, but I'd like to make my pets a vital part of my adventuring experience. I think they may have the potential to even surpass myself with proper training, as their bonuses and growth exceed that of the player.

Also, continuously feeding my pets high-leveled herbed meals for leveling and having them occasionally gain weight strangely excited me...

>>12259577
>>12259618
>>12259659
I see. I'll pay more attention in developing mutations then. to develop magic I'm waiting to get the the last non mage guild skills I'm interested in
I guess I should focus on buffs and healing
>>12259693
pets have interesting options, but developing the pc alone eats me up more than enough time. maybe one day

>>12259745
Positive mutations are important
A high level magic shop will pump out potions of evolution which give positive mutations, but if you are too eager, savescum at a fountain.

Hmm you guys made me interested in a Solo run now.

I will start a new char and let my little girl in town for a while.
I like using heavy armor with a two hander but I guess for early survivability I will be using a shield first.
I will take warrior as I like the two hits thing.

Any other tips for running around without pets?

Now you're in good fucking company <varuna>.
... I just wonder what pet would get the best out of this weapon.

>>12260043
wow what's with that critical bonus? does that make every hit a critical?

>>12259785

If you're going to save scum, just use the trainer.

>>12259539
If you aren't adverse to learning some magic, Holy Veil is a great preventive measure against hexes. With some magical resistance most attempts to debuff you will fail while you cave their skulls in with impunity. Attribution Shield is also really good for a resistance boost when taking strong magic attacks. Finaly, other than monsters which use elemental breath weapons, magical monsters can be entirely crippled by casting Silence on them (though that doesn't apply as much to caster bosses, where Holy Veil and Attribution Shield will serve you better).

>>12260002
If you are going solo, I would recommend light armor because spell-casting will be rather important on your own

>>12260090
Well I'm actually reconsidering what character continue. trying the minotaur nest with the lv.26 debug predator resulted in a genocide with this ending >>12260043 when with the lv.24 juere warrior every skirmish aganist a fast and/or caster enemy made me sweat. I was sure that being able to use all equipment slots things would have been a lot simpler, but it seems I was wrong.

>>12259693
You might like to reconsider givng your black cat shadow step because if you evolve her she gets browbeat, which is like draw shadow (enemies are vacuumed towards her).

>>12260067
Not every, but a helluva lot. That's the only reason why my over 50 fairy still had a hard time against him.

>>12260136
The easiest way to beat the minotaur king is to make sure the minotaur king never reaches you. Debuff, throw waves of pets at him (SACRIFICE ME), and abuse the fuck out of time stop, whatever you have it on.

Use Cheer at the right moment and hope for Contingency.

>>12260147
Not if you're a Thief fairy.

>>12260147
Also, Greater Evasion gives you a chance to dodge criticals. Greater Evasion is absolutely necessary on a fairy, because you can't even afford one physical hit. PUMP IT UP.

>>12260154
Does it? I guess I couldn't notice, because if it procs, if doesn't say whether it evaded an attack that would have been a critical or not.

Anyway, that was some time ago. Now, a few hero cheeses later, I could survive a crit. Just one, mind.

>>12260165
It doesn't tell you if it was a critical or not. Criticals bypass Evasion, automatically, but they roll against Greater Evasion as if they were a normal attack. Which is why you can have enough critical equipment to justify critical attacks with every attack, yet still not critical as often as you should against an enemy with Greater Evasion and better stats in Perception.

>>12260131
Hmm, didn't really consider that, thanks for the tip. Such abilities would be at odds with each other. But lowering enemy attack seems rather useful.

Shadowstep just made sense to me because she's a thief.
Does anyone know if pets get the class-related bonus feat too?

>>12260043
Does this crit bonus only apply to the weapon or ranged attacks too?
As in ranged attacks with a different weapon but still by someone wielding the axe.

>>12260179
Seeing as how those brown enchantments usually work globally, (think arbalest and twin edge, also I had a miracle neckwear before that has the crit buff as well) I think it does.

>>12260180
That's just excellent, I can't believe I didn't realize that before.

Perfect for my ranged pet. I even have additional crit bonus armor.

Man, this would be overkill on a bell. But bells are just annoying to me with their constant attacks.

Fun facst:
Crits apply globally to melee and ranged, meaning additional chance of crit equipment helps anyone.
Additional attacks apply globally, in that if you have melee/ranged, any increase stacks to that attack.
Decapitation stacks, but only applies if the weapon ITSELF invokes Decapitation. Otherwise, useless.
Piercing applies globally, even if the weapon doesn't have abosolut(sic) piercing as a modifier.
It's possible to throw an aboslut piercing critical attack, but not a critical Decapitation, I don't think, since Decapitation is its own attack calculation separate from normal attacks.
Criticals apply separately to additional attack, each one rolls on its own, meaning the more critical you have, the more chance you have to throw a critical. So throwing two shots each turn doubles your chances.
Invocations from weapons roll on each attack, which is absolutely epic for things that have a chance to invoke Time Stop on hit, or an elemental attack.
None of these affect magic, sadly, except an invocation of Elemental Scar, which is pretty much needed later on, unless you specialize solely in using magic element to kill shit.

>>12260207
That's some interesting shit. I'll try them out. Starting, perhaps, with a heavily flying scrolled Axe of Destruction on my three handed fairy.

>>12260225
None of this really matters, since the best way to win at Elona is to have overpowered pets rape your enemy to death, and keep trading up to more overpowered pets, treating the game like some even more retarded version of Pokemon.

>>12260280
That might have been true in Elona, but with Elona+ and the AP system, I think that a long-time pet is actually a better choice (not to mention easier) than keeping up with the arms race of monsters.

>>12260322
Nooope. Delevel the better pet, take it through and raise it for AP, then win harder. There's always a better pet than the one you have now, even with evolutions.

>>12260368
Or rather, keep it from growing stronger, so you can just rack up AP. As long as it doesn't get strong enough to beat the difficulty for granting AP, you just keep getting it.

I forget the most recent AP farming method. You can find it on the wiki.

Why is it so hard to find pointers in Elona?

>>12260487
>pointers

What?

>>12260368
That's not going to happen, because the AP requirements are now set on spawn. That means a little girl spawned at lv 1 and now at lv 90 is going to keep getting AP from, say, a varuna or a black hornet, but your captured GRoY will need nothing less than a God-type monster to get any AP.

>>12260493
Memory Editing thing.

>>12260487
Mostly because even though it displays whole numbers most of the time, their real values are actually high precision float values. Learned that the hard way.

>>12260487
Pointers as in guides? The problem with something like that is that if someone explains something in the game to you before you get to it early on, it probably wouldn't help much. It works better to narrow it down to a specific subject, then go ask about it somewhere, or read about it on the wiki.

>>12260516
Is it? I was trying to find where Bonus Points are stored. I didn't find anything in Float and when I scan 4 bytes, it works and I found it, but the pointer results was around 500 and I couldn't do anything to narrow it down.

>>12260530
Bonus points? you mean AP?

>>12260532
Err, yes. It says bonus points in [C]haracter and I just got used to it but yes, I mean AP.

>>12260540
No wait, not AP. That's something else.

>>12260532
This thing.

>>12260549
Ah, that's simple. Try this. First, SAVE (F1) Search 98. Spend 5 points. Search 93, and do it again and again. Then at some point, LOAD (F2). Search 98, etc. It should narrow down. This is because the memory points for the textfield and the actual values are separate. If you get to about ~3 entries, update them all to the value you want. Chances are, you'll edit the text pointers, but also the actual value pointer.

>>12260555
Also, you might want to reset your search parameters. In this case, you want to search for Int.

>>12260555
But that's only looking for the dynamic address. I can find that easily. I'm looking for the static address.

>>12260594
I don't think Elona has such a thing. Addresses change even when you switch maps, so...

>>12260614
I'm sure it does, since EloSnack is able to do it.

>>12260638
Correct me if I'm wrong, but EloSnack changes the save file, if I recall my last using it.

>>12260642
Yes it does, but CE should be able to change it too but in real time.

>>12260650
Well that a bit too advanced for me now. Sorry.

Around what dungeon level the evolution hearts are found?

>>12261030
Any. Just very, very rare. I once got one in the puppy cave when I was about lv 5 at the time. It tricked me into thinking that it was actually quite common. Never got another one in that game.

>>12261077
fuck. can I wish for them?

>>12261096
go to larna and check the shopkeeps. or wait till the jure festival at the end of the year.
thats the most reliable way to get Evolution Hearts.

You can turn evo hearts into another hearts, but it's one way only.

>>12261099
t-this is...

So excited to get that flame sword at the end of the fighter's guild questline.

>>12261099
I find that another hearts are much easier to get than evo hearts. At around lv.~50 the Chupacabras drop them quite often.

>>12261188
How cheesy. are you a young boy with spiky hair from a country village that wants to become an hero?

>>12261188
I hate anything flame or ice-based
Hopefully it won't torch your loot

>>12260501
How lame. Oh well, if it bothers you that much, just cheat some AP on the pet.

>>12261316
It will. How often depends on the exact damage you deal and the health of enemies. The game only has it deal fire damage if the physical damage isn't enough to kill, so enemies who die from the physical go SPLAT and enemies who die from the extra fire damage turn into item-removing bonfires.

Awh yeah.

>>12261445
I killed Orphe.

>>12261462
Haul your ass over to South Tyris and start the _real_ game.

>>12261469
There's so much, I don't even know where to begin.

What are some equipment attributes that are a must? For me and my pets?

>>12261899
All of them.

But the ones that come with nasty statuses are more of a must.

Is there a way to rename an item?

>>12261970
Scroll of name.

What's the hardest race to start out as and the hardest class?

>>12262148
snail tourist

Hey, what's a good (fast) way to increase elemental resistance?

Are invokes good? Do they hit friendly allies or should I just use the defensive ones?

>>12262340
Yes, they are. But you should embrace them and train up your control magic.

>>12261970
You can use Garokk's item change thing, which is described on the wiki somewhere. I think it works with about anything, and you can change the sprite and description as well. But you can only do it with 15 different items, and it has a small cost. You also need to back up the user/item folder after you modify it, since new versions extract the default files over your modified ones, rather than creating new ones if they don't exist when the program is run.

>>12262325
The attribution shield spell and artifacts are instant increases, but they aren't permanent. There really aren't any permanent ways that are fast. A couple of boss corpses give non-random boosts, though. The statue of itzpalt also has a pretty huge boost when you use it, but the hex can't be used very often. You also get it somewhere in South Tyris, so it might be further away than you want.

>>12262325
Make a fairy.

>>12262436
b-but I'm a dude...

>>12262459

Faeries can be dudes. Just like elves, as much as Japanese propaganda will try and tell you otherwise and even coerce you into not wanting you to be one with elements such as Netorare and feminizing them.

How do you play as a pianist? Just keep gathering pets and have them kill shit?

>>12262472
That's about right, yes.

>>12262472
Dunno. to play the piano you have to push the white buttons. no idea about where are a pianist buttons
maybe you have to blow inside one of those holes?

I am looking to give this a try.
Apart from the Elona+ mod, what else is recommended to include?

I am experienced with roguelikes a bit, but by no means a professional.

>>12263281
elona+ should be the only thing you really need.
Everything else is aesthetics.

>>12263281
oh and judging from the way you're talking about it, you dont need to "include" elona+ or anything like that.
You just download the most recent version of elona+ and go, it has elona in it already and stuff.

>>12263282
>>12263285

That was a quick reply.
I will try it out.
Thank you.

Is it possible to learn all the skills? For example, I start out as a warrior but eventually get bored, can I train up range skills? Or magic?

>>12263390
Yes, you can learn all the skills in the game, train them, and use them.

>>12263390
Off the top of my head. the only thing you can't change on a character are the racial feats. There are some stuff that is awfully tough to raise, like life and mana, but you can almost end up the same way with any kind of character except for a mutant.

I reached the maximum number of items in the bandit hideout of Vernis. shit...

Is there a changelog for Elona+?
In English if possible?

>>12261581
Obtain 2 million dollars and achieve your dream of getting a mansion full of maids.

What's a good starting race and class combination?

>>12262472
I'm a warrior yet I trained the shit outta performer and travel around with my ensemble of cute pets. Charisma's my highest stat.
I just think party time quests are fun. Profitable too.

There's nothing stopping you from playing however you want and using whatever skills and such you desire.

>>12264210
Got a putit ranch going yet? They're amazingly productive for +CHA food.

>>12264203
>>12263390
Yerles Warrior is a good way to start out

Your starting class isn't too big of a deal later on in the game. It's just kinda like a boost for whatever playstyle you want and helps you early on. Class matters early in the game but is rather meaningless later on except for class-feats.
You can change your class with a business card and use whatever skills or playstyle you want. Nothing stopping you from being a piano-playing, magic-using warrior. Race is more permanent though and impacts Health and Mana which are rather hard to increase. There are also the race-related feats.

Magic is really important in the late game but is rather difficult to base a character around early in the game. So everyone essentially becomes a mage in some form, but I think it's better to start off as a melee-user until you can find some spellbooks and get the hang of magic. There are no penalties to starting off as one class and moving towards another later, you will just need to train a bit more to catch up.

>>12264211
Hell yeah I do.
Putit steaks and jerky are a vital part of my diet.

Everyone should have a putit farm.

What's the quickest way to obtain "see invisible" without getting the Sage's Helm? These invisible monsters in South Tyris are raping my team.

I replaced the track that usually plays at the bottom of dungeons with "Emiya's Theme".

Makes it more epic, in my opinion.

>>12264577
Throw crap potions at them.

>>12264602
How the hell do you throw potions at them if you can't see them?

>>12264203
I started off as a Juere Gunner which later on in the game picked up magic. I've had amazing success with this race class combination. However, due to what I now know about how the game works and my playstyle, if I had to do it all over again I would probably roll a Eulderna Gunner.

The Eulderna race is a good race for mage hybrid play due to its attribute bonus spread. By pairing Eulderna with the Gunner you can start throwing spells and shooting things right out of the gate.

Magic is almost required end game which this race/class combo will help you get a start with and if you run out of mana you always have your arsenal of guns to fall back on. This class combo also has the perk that you'll mainly be a ranged combatant meaning you won't have to worry as much about certain status effects and various enemy abilities such as the acid that certain enemies spew about around them.

>>12264605
Locating invisible creatures isn't hard. Most of them either are melee in which case you just predict location based off of your own movement, or ranged in which case you wait for them to shoot at you and nail the tile the shot came from.

There wouldn't happen to be a tax box in South Tyris, would there?

>>12264577
Are "see invisible" items so rare? I found one months ago and I'm not even done with lesimas.
anyway, if you're so lucky to know which is the key that makes you target a specific tile (I forgot what it is) the description at the bottom of the screen should say something different if there's an invisible creature on the one you're watching. check the wiki about it

>>12264600
I seriously hope you're using the Crow's Claw arrange from when they were still good

>>12264627
I've got 550 hours on my main, and the only one I've seen with it on it is the Sage's Helm, if that's any indicator.

And hell no, I'm using the one I extracted straight from the VN.

>>12264632
Have a cup of jealousy for not liking that great album.

>>12264652
3/10 would not wear

>>12264659
Enjoy your invisigank little fox~

>>12264632
If you can do the performance quests you can always exchange musical tickets for this gun in the pic. Even if you're not a gunner you can just equip the gun when you suspect an invisible stalker or ninja is harassing you.

>>12264669
Costs 30000 tickets, doesn't it?

>>12264671
10000 I believe.

>>12264627
Ehekatl's Lucky Dagger has this. In that case, you'll now be shifting your worries into getting faith++ items. The unkown shell is far from enough to get up to 40.

>>12264669
That's an impressively fine peashooter.
wonder if its a citation

>>12264619
you can buy one from the workshop at least and place it in a house.

>>12264659
>>12264664
>>12264577
I just stick to yacatet's item.

>>12264818
Can you have a separate house in Southern Tyris or do you mean just sticking it in the Maid Mansion?

>>12265188
He probably means the latter, since you can't have 2 homes, but it still isn't worth it once you get the maid mansion, since you can teleport around South Tyris and back to your home in North Tyris with just a few return spells.

You can also stick a shelter in any place that items are usually picked up, and neither the shelter or the tax box would disappear. It's really not a big deal to delay taxes for a while, though.

>>12265258
cool thanks

The new Knockout ability is perfect for stealing. Enemies that are knocked out don't notice even when I take heavy items from them.

Is there any way to get sandbags outside of the festivals? need more sandbags...

>>12265393
I think you can still wish for them, but since they've been changed to not train skills or magic levels it'd be a real waste to use a wish on one for cosmetic purposes. Of course, if you were going to turn wizmode on for it then Elosnack it off, go for it.

How do you start off as a Fairy Pianist? I can't really do anything since I can't kill anything so I can't do those easy quests. And since I can't do those quests I can't get Platinum coins so I don't get more skills.

>>12264605
Just target random tiles until the game says "You are targeting something" and then fire. I'm not sure if you need a certain amount of perception to do that or not, but it works for me.

>>12265541
As a fairy pianist, escort quests and before it's too late quests will be your best friend for... a long time. DO NOT take Beauty and the Beast quests

I've found something I want to marry, but I don't have the right balls! where I can find a rod of domination?

>>12265622
coinshop

>>12265622
What makes you think a rod would change anything when you don't have the balls for it?

>>12265630
Right, I forgot
>>12265633
well I'll just sheat the rod and let magic happen

I just found a King Heart
I don't remember reading anywhere about it

>>12265658
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Evolution

>>12265731
I'm so happy, I always wanted a king crab or a yeek master as pet. jeez...