/jp/ - Otaku Culture

RIP all these games after this week

>>12261545
>>12261489 here. Not going to drop that since I have FUN doing it.

>Some comfy game about taking it easy

downright predictable

Just letting you know that I added some basic bullets. Obviously not going to be another danmaku, it's just to shoot around some kedama but I also plan to use that for some sort of Tower defense minigame with Alice and her dolls, eventually...

>>12261559
Why are you capitalizing "fun" like some subhuman from /v/a/?

>>12262058
Looks awesome so far.

>>12262058
>that kedama

>>12262058
Maybe you could make the bullet more smaller?
I think it looks disturbing if you shoot bullets almost as big as her body/sprite.

>>12262058
I like it

>>12262208
Probably it's just a placeholder.

Make this /jp/

>>12262058
What is the objective of this game?

>>12262523
Taking it easy

>>12262491
/bun/'s is cutest by a billion miles.
red a best.

>>12263120
Yeah but is she the best at doing her job?

>>12262058
it was cute when it fell into the water

>>12263124
I don't know. I'm not one of the two people who goes to /bun/.

>There will never be a Touhou VN

Why can't we have something more actiony? Is it that much harder to make those kinds of games than something turn based or a sidescroller?

>>12263382
>Is it that much harder to make those kinds of games
Not really but it requires sprites, lots of sprites.

>>12263369
http://vndb.org/g1193

any project in need of another programmer?
I have no experience but will try my best

>>12263369
Google "in Miko We trust" for some shitty OC story.

>>12261519
also a hatate vn

>>12263599
Thanks
Anything else?

>>12263753
There are many touhou VN.
They're just not translated.

I remember another from from Maiden of the Kaleisdoscope, it was about Marisa trying to become a wizard.
I personally disliked it : too many private jokes, and everyone knows that in order to become a wizard, you must fight a balrog on a shallow bridge.

>>12263753
There are a few good ones at Pirate bay.

>>12261519
Suggestion:
Something like a "Grimm's fairy tales", but set in Gosokyu. Light novel format w/ illustrations... something you could read to your kids/grandkids/etc.

>>12263798
>something you could read to your kids/grandkids/etc.

That should be a requirement for every Touhou derivative.

>>12263798
Ten little outsiders went out to dine at Hakurei Shrine.;
Lady Mima choked one and then there were nine.

Nine little outsiders sat up very late;
A youkai took one's breath and then there were eight.

Eight little outsiders travelling in Makai;
One said he'd stay there and then there were seven.

Seven little outsiders chopping up sticks;
Rumia chopped one in halves and then there were six.

Six little outsiders playing with bugs;
Wriggle ate one and then there were five.

Five little outsiders going in for law;
One got sent to hell and then there were four.

Four little outsiders going out to sea;
A Watatsuki blew him to smithereens and then there were three.

Three little outsiders walking by the lake;
A ice fairy froze one and then there were two.

Two little outsiders sitting by the sunflowers;
One got turned into manure and then there was one.

One little outsider left all alone;
He went out and got himself married and then there were none.

>>12263798
I could try writing a short story to add to it, I attempted to write a book once but I got bored.

>>12263813
I could totally write a whole story based on that.

>>12262491
The other 2 boards don't have meidos

>>12264131
I am :
[] mad.
[] annoyed.
[] surprised.
[] WHY

>>12264215
You are:
[] a.
[] big.
[] fat.
[] NERD

>>12264249
Since when is fat an insult?

>>12264284
Since forever, tubs.

>>12264289
Since kindergarten, yeah. Gotta be original once in a while.

what an embarassing thread

i can't tell what's irony and what's genuin neo-/jp/ anymore

can a w-bro confirm which this thread is

>>12263369
There's a group called Dai Sukima Dan that made two. One is about Marisa and immortality and lesbians, the other is a giant robots AU.

>>12264324
What's a kindergarten? Some kind of underwear?

>>12264329
It's post-ironic cuteposting, dude. Get with the program.

>>12264333
yes, we have transcended irony

>>12264333
Kindergarten is some institute you send your kids to before school. It's also a german word with the literal translation "childrengarden".
And thanks for the clarification, I thought it was just shitposting.
>>12264329
>w-bro
Please, don't.

>>12264327
>>12264329
What's wrong with making a cute /jp/ game?

How hard would it be to make a 2hu beat 'em up?

>>12264374
>sprites
>background
>balancing
>gameplay
>network

Have fun mate.

>>12261519
>Someone making a VN with some /jp/ users
I'm interested in this. Tell me moar about it : who's part of it?

>>12264374
Not too hard if you know what you're doing.

But getting /jp/sies to work together and make something complete? Impossible.

I decided to learn Game Maker earlier this week in order to make Touhou Moon, and now I've finally started working on it. After finding some free art online, I quickly built a very early version. It's still to early too show anything cool, but I wanted to show people that Touhou Moon is alive!

The art I found is bare bones, but enough to start with. It has great tilesets, but has only a character base to work with. Which is why I'm walking around with a nude model. We need artists to turn these characters into cute 2hus. There are also other things we need like a couple animations, character portraits, and more tilesets. Designers for UI and level editing are also appreciated.

If you're interested, email me your Skype and I'll add you to our group. Let's do our best to make the coziest game /jp/!

Damn can't believe this becomes a general.

I still want my Gensokyou grand strategy game and Reisen tactical shooter.

>>12261519
>Someone making a VN with some /jp/ users
With the aid of /jp/ users or about some /jp/ users?

>>12264809
Will this be a Rune Factory or Harvest Moon?

>>12262058
HELL YEEEESSS

>>12264809
Will you be able to smash pest yukkuri?

>>12264809
>GAME MAKER

I can program pretty much anything in 2D using game maker if the art is provided for me.

I won't work on some stupid farm sim though.

>>12264903
>if the art is provided for me.
There's your problem. You either hire an artist or use the not so good free available.

>>12264903
Would you program the dungeon crawling/mining part of a stupid farm sim?

>>12264903
do an touhou crossing sim then, jeez. What do you want, a cookie?

>>12264903
Do simple minded pixel sprites like everyone else on steam greenlight.

>>12264903
What sort of art?

Sorry I didn't really mean to come off as condescending. My experience is mostly with platformers and shoot em ups but I have enough knowledge with GML to make whatever. I've had an itch lately to work on something.
>>12264968
That's why I'm asking here for someone.
>>12264970
Depends on what the dungeon crawling would be like.
>>12264976
I'm more interested in working on some sort of action game.
>>12265049
sprite work

Wow, you guys seemed a lot more eager for Touhoumoon in the last thread

>>12265135
It's a project that has already failed once.

>>12265145
And it'll fail again if no one wants to help.

>>12265156
With all due respect that's a bad mindset. Group projects are already hard to form and maintain in general so a /jp/ group project has likely a low success chance rate.

You should first assume that you're going to make the game alone. Then, if it gets enough attention, maybe you'll be able to get people to help you with it.

/jp/ has always been lazy.

>>12261545
If /a/ managed to keep KS alive for a few years, I'm sure /jp/ will do alright.

>>12265170
/jp/ is better than /a/ at some things, but getting things done is not one of them.

>>12265163
Alright. If people don't want to help with Touhoumoon, I'll find something else to make. There's not enough resources to do it by myself.

>>12265135
Most people will only hop on once there's something presentable that looks like its almost finished product, since they want to be part of something but can't be assed actually doing anything.

Its just like Kickstarter, the people that actually need the money are the ones that won't get it because they have nothing to present besides ideas. The ones that look like almost complete are the ones that actually get funding.

>>12265176
Alright. I'll come back when I have something good to show like >>12262058. But I can't guarantee it'll be Touhoumoon.

>>12265170
/a/ has allot more people.

>>12265101
I am not sure how one creates sprites, I could try to draw them.

>>12265195
I gave links to find RPGMaker sprites in the last thread, I can repost them if needed.

>>12265198
So you have to use RPG maker to do it?

>>12265201
...?

You don't MAKE sprites with RPGMaker, but as I understood it, Anon wants to use RPGMaker to make his game.
So yeah, having sprites might help.

>>12265205
What do you make the sprites with then?

>>12265207
ms paint

>>12265207
Personally, Illustrator.

At any rate :
>RPGMaker faces :
>http://sikei.web.fc2.com/jigglypuff/iconpage/icon.html
>Some sprites (some of them may need edit to be used elsewhere) :
>http://trombe41084177.blog47.fc2.com/blog-entry-347.html
>Different sprites and faces :
>http://revdot.web.fc2.com/dot_rpgvx_toho.html

>>12265214
Okay, I may try and make a few but I am not that good.

>>12265235
Please do.

Also, Yorihime is mah waifu, don't even think of putting her in your game.

>>12265240
I will now, Whahaha! Nah I would most likely start with Meiling.

>>12265250
>I will now
What's that mate? You're looking for a fight? Be careful, I have all of Chuck Norris' movies, I'll rekt you before you can even say Llanfairpwllgwyngyll.

>>12265257
Oh really? I am the best at my dojo, kid.

>>12265264
I have over 1000 hours in gorilla warfare simulation.
Playing medic in TF2 counts, shut up.

>>12265172
>>12265191
KS started before the split, there's no use distinguishing between /a/ and /jp/ at that point. 4chan as a whole was also much slower back then, so there weren't really more people available. Better people, perhaps.

>>12265170
Besides, boards don't do the work, individuals do.

>>12265176
It's fair when you think of kickstarter as a preorder service. People love to say that getting the funding does not make you liable to finish your kickstarted project, but people who actually pay do expect to get what they pay for, and act accordingly.

>>12265287
Always though of kickstarter as a bet. You bet on a game, and it will either be exactly what you hope, or something totally different.

So,

I've been mainly working on the transition to 3D because I noticed that everything in the fakeshot doesn't actually properly aligned. Also working on the fake dimension would make it harder to properly deal with depth, shadows and more.
Still, I don't want it to lose the charm of the original image so I rethink about the whole thing. I didn't pay previously that much attention to the different scales so I thought about uniforming the textures on the 3D objects to actually match the sprites of characters.

What do you think? In the left there's a comparison between the old tile and the new (which seems more detailed) and their respective size compared to a character.

>>12265304
Ah right, keep it mind that the uv mapping right now is kind of cluncky so don't pay attention to the weird lines or spikes.

>>12265304
HOW HORRIFYING

>>12265308
What? More precision please?

>>12265304
Couldn't you always take the older textures and resize them just a little bit? Shave off just a few pixels?

Just a thought, keep up the good work

>>12265310
>blocks floating over a big empty
>no ground, no sea
>just a black hole
>if you fall, you fall forever
How fucking horrifying.

>>12265311
It doesn't work that well. For example the tiles are around something like 76*76. That in itself is already a problem since it's not a "good" ratio (you'd want 64*64 for the closest one, or 128*128). I also noticed that the tiles have inconsistent offsets here and there.

Actually, it could work but in that case I'd have to make a grid-based movement (which mean no more shooting bullets for example) because of a depth issue I mentioned in the previous thread, putting any kind of shadows or dynamic lighting would be difficult too.

>>12265314
Oh that? I just made the scene quickly to show the difference. The void is going to be filled obviously.
Actually, if I'm lucky enough I won't fill it with blocks (like pic) but use something like in the Satori Komeiji's Mental Education game.

>>12265335
That black void fucking creeps me out.

Hum...

Then again maybe it's just me but I really feel like that the exaggerated big pixels on the block feels more cute than a detailed texture.

>>12265366
Forgot pic.

>>12265366
Boku mo.

>>12262058
The Bullets look a little smooth compared to everything else. Are you open to alternative bullet art?

>>12265390
Yeah.. I think I'll keep the blocky version for now. It probably has something to do with the fact that I can't draw in the first place, and I suspect that more details would need another color value from the hue to make it better.

>>12265396
alternative bullet art?
What do you mean?

>>12265366
>>12265368
In my personal opinion I highly advise no exaggerated huge pixels. It's okay to use them as dev art, but personally I am tired of seeing bloated pixel games that try way too hard to pretend to be something they're not.

Especially since touhou fangames usually try to make them look detailed if not competent. Though that's just my suggestion.

>>12265422
Well, the main issue is that I can't make anything good-looking when it comes to draw detailed thing as you can see in the previous picture.
I've already dropped too many projects because of that and I don't want to drop that one so I'll go with the blocky ones, at least for now.

In a choice between "works, but is shit" and "is great but doesn't work" you always go with the first.

>>12265402
Like, if somebody drew up some pixel art of her danmaku.

>>12265441
Right now I can even barely decide which art direction I want, blocky or detailed, so asking for drawing is a very bad idea. I'll just focus a bit more on the game for now, wasted too much time and energy on the graphical part for now.

>>12265449
Alright, in any case I'll be watching your progress, it looks cute!

Is the Miko VN writer still around? How much have you completed, if any?

>>12265474
Bumping that because as the self-proclaimed coder, it interests me to know if we're really going to do it.

>>12265513
No.

Just offer your help to those anons who are going to make Touhou dating sim.
>>12261596

>>12265659
How many fucking thread do we have?

A bunch of idea, and nothing on the work.

Why am I not surprised?

>>12265683
That's only for Touhou dating sim project.

He must've made it without knowing that this thread exist

>>12265695
You should scroll up a bit, anon.

>>12265702
I was referring to the Miko VN. Not even started, already dead.

>>12265711
It'll be shit, anyway.

>>12265712
Now, now, this is not a good attitude.

>>12265695
Wasn't the idea just to make harem/dating sim VN, something that /jp/ has thought hundred times already? and for Miko there's already one exist.

>>12265763
Yeah, but
>you play as an OC

>>12265422
Great, but in this case, your opinion is bad and would bring down the quality of the game.

>>12266306
Your a moron m8
just sayan

Small progress.
At least we're getting something started.

>>12267549
>The kappas were extremely good, but they were also famous for being totally unable to work together, leaving them out of any grand-scale project.
Sounds just like /jp/.

>>12267570
Minus the extremely good part and the famous part.

>>12267579
Give just one.
Give me ONE example of /jp/ doing something good.

>>12267581
Why the hell are you asking me?

>>12267585
Because you're here.

>>12267581
/jp/ music compilation

The first album was released but the second one got canned due to project leader's faggotry (he was stealing tracks or something? I forgot)

>>12267593
That's not really a good example...

>>12267598
I remember this one time a few years ago we had a thread that wasn't shit.

OK, enough with the metashitposting.

What project does >>12267549 belong to?

>>12267581
Not reproducing

>>12267603
The Hatata vn.

>>12267606
>Hatato VN
Goddamnit I thought you were the Miko writefag ;__;

>>12267611
I'm no writefag. I mostly code.
And I don't do romance, last time I tried, it ended up like School Days. In Gensokyo.

>>12267603
To this thread. I created it for that, there's literally no need to have multiple threads considering how slow /jp/ is. Last thread survived for almost 2 days on page 10.

>>12267603
Not to mention a small game like that doesn't worth an entire thread.

>>12267666
isn't worth*

So,

I've been working a lot on invisible things like logic, editors, uvs... Anyway I've reached a stage where I can start to think seriously about the gameplay and minigames, so if you have suggestions drop them, I'll read everything later.
Also, maybe I'll give the ability to zoom-in/out, with that zoom being the farthest possible since it matches the original fakeshot somehow. What do you think?

I've also added Alice for all the Alice lovers, will post a webm next, I'll need her for several tests.

>>12267926
webm

>>12267926
It's looking better and better. Can you try making it look a little bit less 3dish by backface culling the water tiles?
Alice is very cute, by the way.

>>12267926
>>12267929
If you add Reimu I will love you forever.

>>12267612
>School Days. In Gensokyo

I'd play it.

>>12267612
Let me guess, the yandere is Alice?

>>12267926
Needs a pixel Zun cameo or just his hat.

>>12267929
Can you add some cloud shadows? Faint, scrolling slowly.

>>12267940
Well, everything looks blocky and a bit messy because I'm not focusing at all on the graphics. It's just too time consuming for now, I'll do that part the last.
Though I plan to have better water tiles, possibly animated. I'm not going for a "minecraft" open-world, more like a set of mini worlds (like in any tactical, a bit like disgaea), which allows me to add more fancy effects that would normally be too costly in terms of memory/GPU for a tiled-game.

>>12267948
But Reimu isn't in the fakeshot and I can't draw... I'll try but I'm not promising anything.

>>12267963
Didn't think of that, I'll try it later.

>>12267929
All that bullying is unnecessary.

>>12267968
I really fucking hate that sprite flip.

>>12267988
I think it's pretty cute.

>>12267926
Being able to drink tea is a must!
Having tea parties with you favorite 2hus!
And bullying Kedamas and fairies.
Also an abitary score system that gives random points for the three above mentioned things but doesn't make any sense.

>>12267995
Fund this.

>>12267956
Na. It was a male OC. He ended up killing some touhous to get the others.

I never published it anywhere, but point is : I can't and won't write the Miko VN.
Sorry.

>>12267968
I just hope the mini-worlds won't be floating in the void.
That fucking creeps me out. Make island, or make giant forests surrounded the maps, but please, no total blackness under the map.

>>12267926
Heh, all two Alice lovers.

>>12268022
Number 1 reporting in.

While I'm still thinking about that, any fine selection of 2hu musics I could use for such a game? I'd like it to be related to the franchise but I only know/have a small selection from the official games.

>>12268018
Yes, yes, don't worry about that.

>>12268047
I wish I could help you with that.

By the way, what kind of sprites are you using? Modified RPGMaker?

>>12268187
I'm only using sprites from the fakeshot. For the rest I'm somehow just doing them on my own, trying to make them match with the colors and sizes.

Mixing the two isn't usually a problem, but since the sprites are from a fake iso image, it's like trying to simulate a 2.5D within real dimension while using simulated sprites from another 2.5D. The depth is just messed up beyond beliefs.

To be honest I'm starting to think that everything should be 3D even with only a tiny amount of depth, would make my life way easier.
OR
I could try the old way of cutting all the sprites in different parts but that would kill the point of using a 3D engine in the first place. Shadows and lights in real time would be impossible to calculate.

>>12267926
Online tea party with /jp/sies when

>>12267926
Pretty sure this goes without saying but do you accept donated spritework?

I want a game where you play as a touhou during a brawl.
The story is the following : one of the touhou get married, and throw the bouquet. And everyone fights to recover it.

>>12267926
Out of curiosity, what program/language did you use to program this?

Also looks good so far, would fund to see this complete.

>>12267989
This. Also reminds me of Paper Mario.

>>12269079
Unity, judging by the editor frame.

>>12267926
If you are using unity, would you be willing to let me help? I am a programming novice and would love to learn and help. Though, I might just end up slowing you down.

>>12267995
i second this

Remember when /jp/ did stuff?

>>12269683
Remember how it never amounted to anything?

>>12265170
Yeah but it was a dedicated team of people. Plus /jp/ is NEET central.

>>12269687

how appropriate; just like /jp/

>>12269683
You're missing the second part of this image.

>>12269683
You have no idea how much I've been looking and reading stuff about isometric games the past days. My conclusion : It's just a pain for lots of reasons, unless you're an artist and really (really (really))) want to go that route.

.. well, technically you can do this with maths, lots of maths. But in my opinion it's just an insane amount of unnecessary work to "fake" 3D when you can now actually easily and dynamically use it nowadays, even on my 6y old computer. Making models and mixing 2.5D and 3D is kind of clunky though.

>>12268877
>donated spritework?
What do you mean? I wouldn't want anything that involves money to be honest, it's also a pain in lots of way and usually triggers drama. I don't want to bring that in /jp/.

>>12269632
Bad idea, my overall code isn't what I'd call optimized, at all. I've followed most of the live training from the official videos if that can help though.

>>12267929
May you please post the original picture, I want to have a look at how the depth is messed up.

>>12269818
What do you mean? For the world or the sprites?

Right now when it comes to the world (blocks) I don't have any depth issues since the positions are making sense.

For the sprites it's another story. Usually it "should" work with 3D when using the common way of using planes oriented at the same direction, but since I'm "faking" their display like I mentioned earlier it's a bit tricky.
For example I can't just make them have the same rotation as anything in the world ( isometric is around 45° / 30° ), they need a fix in their rotation to properly face the camera like they do in the original picture ( which means an inverse -45° / -30° ). The problem here is that the sprites are actually oriented in the fakeshot, you can see that their feett are not aligned but already aligned with the world. For example it means that without the reverse orientation, they'd just look like half a plane like you could see in the gif when I rotated the camera around. It's a bit hard to explain.

Anyway as long as the collision system is working fine like you can see with the tree, there shouldn't be any issues. This is why I was thinking at some point that the fastest way would be to just create a 3D model for them based on the original colors, but modeling is just not something for me.

>>12269848
Wait...

I thought about making that .gif to show you the exact rotation issue I was talking about and I noticed that it doesn't look as bad as I thought it would initially...
Maybe I should try keeping the character in the world rotation, even though they're not quite facing the camera. That sounds actually funny and not so bad-looking. What do you think? (It would make my life wayyyyyyyyy easier)

>>12269859
Bro do you even use cylindrical cheating?

Also, quaternions, USE THEM!

>>12269868
Huh? What do you mean? If you're talking about the collision then the sphere is faster to compute than a cylinder. And you're not supposed to mess directly with the quaternions, I think.

>>12269859
Why won't you just make it like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zB7eTDD0ow#t=507

>>12269872
So you want to have something face the camera? That's called cheating.

You want to have something face the camera, only about a cylindrical axis? that's cylindrical cheating.

Here's how to do it:
http://www.lighthouse3d.com/opengl/billboarding/index.php3?billCheat1

May be a bit different for your game engine, but the math is the same.

But I'm not really sure what you're trying to do, I'm just drunk

>>12269874
Watched it carefully again. As I mentioned in the earlier thread I'm mainly trying to set up things so they are shadow/light reactive.

When it comes to 3D and Isometric each method has their pros and cons. For example you can see in the video the shadows are baked at not dynamic, which means that if you look very (very) carefully sometimes you'll just see sprites clipping through some other sprites or even the shadows. Actually I don't ever recall seeing in the Disagea series a map when you have, like, a block over your head casting shadows on you, but that's part of the game design.

With 3D, or at least just the world, I'm at least able to cast shadows and lights dynamically. Anon suggested a cloud shadow for example, and that'd be easy to do without faking around anything.

>>12269877
Actually I'd like to not cheat at all because by using layers of cheats around you end up messing the natural logic of a 3D world.

Then again I went ahead and told that I wanted shadows/lights/blabla, but I didn't know that it was such a vast topic. I've spend much time reading maths and theories than actually making the game recently.

>>12269872
It's an old 80's 3D trick called billboarding.
A 2d object is made to face the camera at all times. Simulates an actual 3D effect.
This trick was used to great effect in the old Mario Kart games.

>>12269891
Oh that. Yeah I read about it too, it worked mainly because there was no depth in the old mario kart or F-zero games.
For example if you had actually a block with some real height you'd just see the sprite clipping through every time you rotate the camera around.

Could someone post the fakeshot?

>>12269891
Also, just letting you know, something you might want to try figuring out is rendering the tree above the top grass side of the box, but behind all of the other sides.
Right now I'm sure you don't want roots floating out on top of the boxes.

>>12269901
Already was posted in last thread.
We don't spoonfeed here.

>>12269901
There.

>>12269905
Actually disregard what I said. I'm mainly thinking of light casting from a real 3D world (and Unity), which isn't the same as other rendering logics like billboarding.

>>12269907
Thanks.

Why not just make a COMPLETE GAME using placeholder game sprites or someone else's stuff for temporary art AND ONLY THEN ask for artists to fill out the rest with original artwork?

Why ask drawfags for art too early?

>>12269928
You never made a game, right?
It's important for motivation.

>>12269932
Well, I'm a drawfag.
Nothing is more demotivating as trying to make art for a game that is only bare bones and will most likely flop (knowing /jp/ from experience).

Besides, primary foundations of the game should come before the cosmetic aspects.

>>12269928
That's what I'm doing...? I'm pretty sure I said earlier that I wasn't looking for sprites but focusing on the game.

>>12269938
As a coder, nothing is more frustrating than waiting for the writing and the art to arrive.

And as a writefag, nothing is more annoying than writing the story without knowing how the girl will look like.

>>12269940
Yes, I was pleased to see those examples earlier in the thread, which brought the subject to my mind.
My message was directed at to those who don't.

>>12269946
So you're strawmanning.

>>12269928
Why not make a COMPLETE GAME before telling other people how to do it?

>>12269941
>without knowing how the girl will look like.

Surely that's less of a problem with 2hus. Everyone knows what they're supposed to look like/ act like (more or less).

The usual problem that a project needs a sturdy framework with sequential goals in order to work, and the people involved cannot agree on this at the beginning, or worse, say they agree and then change their minds part way through.

The best projects have a central figure who commands the whole operation. Look at the Krautchan VN: the main artist was also a writer and a coder (i thin).

>>12269970
I want Youmu to kick my balls.

>>12269985
>Everyone knows what they're supposed to look like/ act like (more or less).
I dunno about that, m8. I saw Flandre depicted as a moeblob, and as a complete psycho.

>>12269988
I want to slap Youmu's ass.

>>12269990
Everyone in 2hu has two sides, Flandre is a lil girl with sadistic tendency.

>>12269985
I know what you mean. I did my part of the project, I filled my goal, and now I'm waiting for the other guy to do his part.

>>12269998
That's, like, just your opinion.

>>12269999
Confirmed in Inaba anyway.

inb4 lewl not canon

>>12270000
>confirmed
Sure, a shadow "proves" that Flandre is sadist and not just oblivious to the fact that people are fragile or anything else.

Next time, you're going to use Bilbo the Hobbit to prove that Feanor was badass.

>>12270003
Yeah, sure, a large shadow with a crazy smile, that Reisen and Tewi run away from, sure is fragile lil girl here.

>>12270004
Are you stupid? Honest question, since you don't seem to understand my point.

>>12270005
Nah, in fact, I don't understand it.

Flandre might be fragile inside, but a large shadow with a sadistic smile isn't really a nice, welcoming image.

>>12269941
Art is easily replacable. Like he said, you could use someone else's art first. It should be enough to give you a bit of motivation, which later will also give motivation to drawfag to draw something for you if the game is done.

Yeah, for the sake of efficiency, you must put drawfag in favor.

>>12270007
I'm not saying anything about her appearance, I just say that this scene doesn't prove she's a sadist.
After all, in EoSD, she mentions she just "wants to play".

>>12270000
>lewl not canon
eirin gets sick in inaba, even though she's drunk the hourai elixir and cant get sick

>>12270009
You mean like that?

>>12270013
Yeah

>>12270012
Damn, that's a hard one.

Anyway, I think the correct phrase should be that she cannot be poisoned (by medicine), not that she can't get sick.

>>12270012
>even though she's drunk the hourai elixir
Stop bringing your fanon into canon, it's never said she took it.

>>12270011
Let's see: Flandre is:
- lil girl being locked up in a room for all times, even the Devil, her sister, is afraid of her
- when she has new people showing up in her basement, she has a crazy smile
- she "wants to play"
Sounds bad dude.

>>12270000
>lewl not canon
Reisen says she surpassed Eirin.
Sure, she was totally drunk, but I really like that idea.

>all mighty powerful god Brain of the Moon
>surpassed by a local slave

>>12270033
>lil girl being locked up in a room for all times, even the Devil, her sister, is afraid of her
Her sister's afraid of her? That's a new one. Source on that, or I'll assume you're bullshitting me.
>when she has new people showing up in her basement, she has a crazy smile
Define crazy, we never see her face. Just her shadow. Besides, have you heard of "unreliable narrator"?
The rabbits were already creeped out by the basement, and then someone comes out of nowhere and scream at their face.
>she "wants to play"
Yes, that's usually what kids want to do with friends. Her insanity may give "play" another meaning, through.

>>12270034
Reisen was drunk as fuck yeah, but Reisen is said to have "talent" by Yorihime and trained by her, and Yorihime is the strongest/2nd strongest of the moon, and now she's trained by Eirin, Yorihime's teacher.

It's possible she might surpass both.

>>12270039
>It's possible she might surpass both.
I like that idea. She can't summon gods, but I like that idea anyway.

Imma borrow it and make something from it.

please stop forcing awful generals into /jp/topia

>>12270038
>Her sister's afraid of her? That's a new one. Source on that, or I'll assume you're bullshitting me.
According to ZUN, the little sister is usually stronger than the older sister.
>Because of that, as far as anyone from Gensokyo goes, the Watatsuki sisters are truly untouchable as a necessary measure. Those two have amusing personalities and the story could expand even further, so I would like to make another story about them. When it comes to sisters in Gensokyo, the younger one is generally "broken".
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Interview

If Flan is stronger, obviously Remi can't lock her up to protect Flan, more like Remi locks her up to protect herself.

Anyway, I can't arsed to find that Flan smiling panel so I give you that one, it was a dark sign nonetheless though.

>>12270050
>If Flan is stronger, obviously Remi can't lock her up to protect Flan, more like Remi locks her up to protect herself
Of course, Remi isn't locking Flan because she's afraid Flan will blow something important, like Patchouli or Sakuya.
That's irony, of course.

Go play EoSD, Patchouli mentions the rain about the mansion to keep Flandre in.
Let it sink in your fan mind : FLANDRE IS NOT LOCKED IN TO PROTECT REMILIA, SHE'S LOCKED IN FOR HER OWN SAFETY.

Whether it was a good idea or not, I don't know;


So stop shoving your headcanon as if it was the truth.

>>12270052
Or she's locked in because Remi fears once Flan goes outside, she isn't strong enough to bring her back.

But oh well, I'm rather satisfied with proving that Flan is the stronger one.

>>12270050
Remi is not the type that's afraid of someone stronger than her, especially her own sister.

I mean, in the end Flan is released from basement and Remi is willing to take care of her as sister, but Flan prefer to stay in basement, anyway.

>>12270061
That's rather strange but since I never played EoSD (I'm a secondary), I'm gonna accept it.

>>12270061
>but Flan prefer to stay in basement
just like /jp/

>>12270063
>I'm a secondary

That invalidates everything you just said.

>>12270076
no bully!

I read 2hu literature, manga, play fan games, so I'm just semi-secondary!

>>12270077
reading the 2hu manga is even worse than being a secondary

>>12270080
well, I have no excuse.

I haven't read SSIB yet (and don't plan too since Cage of Lunatic Runagate tells everything I need to know and more) but I downloaded the 3 fairies trilogy.

>>12269848
>>12269859

>>12270057
You haven't proved anything, mate.

In fact, the fact that Patchouli's spell is enough to lock her in means that Patchouli is stronger than Flandre.

#rekked

>>12270063
>I never played EoSD
Fuck everything you said, your opinion doesn't have any value any more.

Filthy secondary thinking their opinion is canon. Typical.

>>12270090
Well, that's just saying Patchy is stronger than Flan, it's not disproving that Flan is stronger than Remi.

Hell, considering Patchy is the closest to the brain/hag of the SDM, she might be the stronkest in SDM. Even Remi doesn't mess with her either and Sakuya serves her tea.

>>12270092
...but I read the Inaba manga!

I can base my observations on that!

>>12270094
>>12270095
Shut up secondary. You lost the right to join in the debate.

>>12270097
This is discrimination!

...but okay ;_;

>>12270095
Cancer joke goes here.

>>12270009
>Yeah, for the sake of efficiency, you must put drawfag in favor.
I really hate how this is an accepted fact.

>>12270009
>you must put drawfag in favor.
Fuck you. All drawfags I worked with were prima donna, everything has to be made specifically for them.
Meanwhile, codefags and writefags are just slaves.

>>12270087
Wait ! That's how they actually did it? I thought that was just me thinking of a far-fetched solution. Now I'm even more motivated to continue this.

>>12270092
"primary," as in you cry a lot?

>>12270087
I wonder if his back hurts walking like that.

>>12270077
>I read 2hu literature, manga, play fan games, so I'm just semi-secondary!
>play fan games

So is there any reason why you wouldn't just play the offical games then?

>>12270271
He's a secondary. Why do you expect it to stop acting like some subhuman abomination?

>>12270033
Flan isn't locked in a basement. She isn't locked anywhere. She wanders freely around the mansion. She just doesn't leave because Remilia told her not to, and she complies because she's a nice girl who respects her sister. That's it.

>>12270384
Correction : Flandre WAS in the basement, she says so in her dialogues.


From Marisa's dialogue :
>I've been sleeping in the basement.
>For about 495 years.

>>12270458
Again, that's just her respecting her Sister's Wishes.

>>12270462
Not trying to contradict you. I just wanted to add my two cents, as well as PROVING that this is CANON. This isn't just some faggot thinking his tumblr headcanon is real because he read a few doujins saying so.

>>12270458
Again, there's a crucial difference between being in a basement and being locked in a basement.

>>12270500
And yet she doesn't roam freely in the mansion like you said she was.

#rekked

>>12270502
Well, she's clearly been told she can leave the basement at some point by Remilia after EoSD, judging from the fact she destroyed that meteor.

>>12270503
>>12270502
>>12270500
>>12270467
>>12270462
>>12270458
Stop derailing the thread for a secondaryfag.
Topic are fangames.

>>12269716
What, this one?

>>12270502
Yes, she does.

>>12270503
She could clearly go out of the basement all the time, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to watch the MCs invade in EoSD.

>>12270533
Except she didn't. She just listened.

On a side note,

Since we talked a bit about it, I just created a copy variation of my current engine to use only sprites and a real isometric approach.
Like you can see, there's that clipping issue (because Marisa and her big hat) and in the last part the shadow where, since it's baked and not dynamic, it's possible to have it being above empty space (though that wouldn't happen since the design would prevent you to go that way).

I do admit that the tiles are cuter and it's also faster to work that way, and also all those issues could probably be avoided with good design and half blocks : which means instead of having an empty space right next one walkable, you have another solid block but with fancy graphics (like some broken wall or something).

You can't really see it in that webm since my computer is shit but it looks better, I'll post a pic next.

>>12270624
Actually the colors are ok in the webm in the post, that's strange. Maybe that's just my player acting up. pic

>>12269683
>you will never be this smart

hold me jaypee

Hey /jp/, I made a Touhou game! Saw Unity mentioned in the thread and thought I'd give it a try. Enjoy!
http://www.mediafire.com/download/479vtnw43e5dv1b/fty.rar

Controls:
Move - Space
Quit - Escape

>>12270812
Random rar with no screenshot/webm of your game?
I don't trust this, webplayer version please.

>>12270812
>6.27 MB of Wakasagihime Porn
Not this time, Tewi.

>>12270824
http://www.mediafire.com/download/bgwbdqw1bqh58vu/fty_web.rar
Sorry, I have nowhere to host this.

>>12270812
... Uhh. It's a legit game. I confirmed.

Need some help.
See, there's that drawfag who told me he could send me something this week-end. Except that it's wednesday, and I still haven't got anything.

Should I be patient or should I try to kick his ass?

>>12270838
You can host it on Dropbox or Google Drive. Both have free plans.

>>12270812
Cute game, dude.

>>12270889
;>)

How are the viruses, dude?

>>12270896
#yolo

>>12270812
Did you code those collision physics yourself or is that something built into unity?

>>12270914
They're built in, but highly customizable/scriptable.

>>12270914
And I just noticed it also builds for Android. That's pretty awesome.
Maybe I'll try making a proper game next.

>>12270925
Hmm maybe I should try picking up Unity then.

>>12270973
Isn't Unity what they used for Frozen Synapse?

>>12270999
Unity is used for a lot of games, and surprisingly, isn't very terrible.

>>12271010
I'm asking that because despite Frozen Synapse being in pure 2D, it can has 3D graphisms.

Ha shit, now I want to pirate Unity and try it myself.

>>12271023
>pirate Unity
What are you spoiling?
Also, just use the free trial.

>>12271078
Oh? Awesome. I though it was too "pro" to have a trial like that.

Unity locks out features unless you pay. Like deployment platforms and animation tools. And customizing the rendering pipeline, but this is rumored to be added to free version next year because Oculus Rift development requires it. Also you are stuck using a eye burning theme in the editor because they lock out dark mode.

>>12270880

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419269/fty_web/fty_web.html

I added some simple 3D things from Blender. I want to learn how to use that too, I wonder if there are any good tutorials.
The level is also pretty challenging now. My record is 18.22.

>>12270871
暫くお待ち下さい。

>>12270271
That guy here, I don't like danmaku...

>>12270083
>and don't plan too since Cage of Lunatic Runagate tells everything I need to know and more
Jesus, you're not just a secondary, but you're also clinically retarded.

>>12270095
The Inaba manga is barely canon. It's the only work where ZUN is credited as being "based off of" instead of actually being responsible for the "scenario."

>>12271631
Why?

>>12271633
...but ZUN is still involved right?

That means it has some canon right?

>>12271612
Just play it on easy

>>12271777
Nah, I don't want to play it.

Easy is for elementary kids anyway.

>>12271794
You know, it'sthe idea of this stupid meme that probably keeps many a secondary as such. And I'm ok with that.

If you're truly unwilling to break the idea of being called a pussy for starting the games on Easy and then from there building up your skill at the games to move on to harder challenges, then you really deserve the title of secondary.

>>12271817
I understand your concern but I'm fine with being a secondary, I really don't like danmaku...

>>12271826
Nobody care, secondary. Your /jp: privilege are now revoked.
Check your privilege next time.

>>12271894
but secondaries are subhumans, they have no privilege in the first place!

Don't take something I don't have...

>>12271826
You shouldn't bother liking Touhou at all, or at least you shouldn't join any kind of discussion. But I know nothing can stop you...

You probably don't know how it feels to be someone who play the games and into the lore, join a community consist of people who do the same, where he discuss both games and lore, then a stranger come and said "hurrr the game sux I only care about the lolis XD let's just discuss the lolis :) I'm also a hard fans btw". It's an insult to people who have spend their time playing the games. They're placed on the same scale as someone who doesn't play the games. That's why people hate secondary.

Also, despite you use canon works as your source of information, I can tell your opinion are still biased towards your prefered common fanon depiction. You don't even know how some of canon source supposed to work.
Typical secondary that people can smell immeadiately.

Now you should consider about staying here.

>>12271922
Okay ;_;

Maybe I will just lurk.

>>12271922
QFT.

I just wish I still had that screenshot showing 150 attempt and 1 capture on an easy spellcard.

>>12271925
Anyway, I do play VNs and stuff so I think I can still stay on the Jay.

I will just try to minimize my 2hu talk on ZUN literature (since I read and enjoy those)

>>12271939
Nah, you just did that and you failed miserably.

>>12271946
To be fair, I haven't read all of ZUN literature.

>>12270624
Hey there, just want to say you're doing fucking gods work, based anon.
On a second note, you said you can't really, draw, so did you want spritework or something around that topic?

>>12272089
Not quite. I've been wasting too much time on arts so now I'm focusing on the overall games and mini-games.
Right now I wanted to make some basic tower defense for a while so I'm making one with Alice and her dolls. Still deciding whether I should add some maps where you're free to move around and shoot enemies, like stronger enemies that'd need more than the doll's power, at the same time.

Ideally I'd love to have a minigame theme based on each character I had from the fakeshot. Marisa, Tenshi, Suwako and Nitori, but can't think of anything (or at least some fishing or water-based game for Suwako)

>>12272103
>minigame for Tenshi
What will it be? Finding the tile where the screen is shaking the most, and then placing a celestial stone on it?

>>12263600
>hatate
Hey anon.

I promised a story revolving around Hatate being spanked by Renko, and here it is.
As for its usefulness in a VN, I can't really say. But if you like naughty youkai being spanked, then maybe you should give it a look:
http://archiveofourown.org/works/1966635

>>12272215
I'll probably draw inspiration from that. Wanna be credited as "some anon"?

>>12270624
Could you make her transparent when she goes behind the blocks?

>>12272103
I'm sure someone has probably asked this, but with how everything looks so far, would it be possible for something like a Touhou FFTAdvance? I'm not sure how the programming would be set up for this, I just thought it could be an interesting concept to bring up considering the style and layout of the map. I'm probably speaking on impossible terms, because of the work and time required to be put in to make something on such a huge scale. I just wanted to know your thoughts about it.

>>12272222
I'd be happy if you credited me as taiyakisoba and give a link to the story.

Glad it was of some use, anon.

>>12272230
Noted.

>>12272230
You mentioned you went to Japan. Is speaking Japanese required, or do they have enough intel to help you find your way?

I am making a game.

>>12272245
Japanese people love foreigners. If you have no Japanese they love you, if you have a bit of Japanese they love you. But when you start to get fluent they stop praising you and view you with a little suspicion.
As long as you're not far out of Tokyo, hiragana is all you need. A bit farther into the countryside and you start to need the odd kanji.
I suggest you go. Japan is still a lot of a fun for a foreigner that gets involved with the locals and avoids the usual gaijin haunts.

>>12272302
Ha. I'll make sure to bring some wine and a baguette.
Japanese craves for the wine, I heard.

>>12272307
If you can speak French, they'll love you for sure.

And everyone loves baguettes and wine.

>>12272313
Dunno if I can speak French. I'll try.
Mmm-mmm.
"Bonsoir, mademoiselle."

>>12272314
You'll do okay, anon. Just be yourself.

That advice actually seems to work in Japan.

>>12272320
I'm fairly certain that drinking beer and singing the soviet anthem is frowned upon in Japan too.
My neighbour is still calling "Coco" ever since.

>>12272215
Pretty good, I'm saving it.

>>12272215
Is it just me, or is Renko is total raging lesbian in your stories?

>>12272302
>Japanese people love foreigners

Really now? That's interesting, because I get the feeling that it's quite the opposite.

>>12272375
People have a hard time realizing passive aggressiveness, which means people talk about how nice the japanese are because they cannot realize subtleties.

>>12272375
It was irony. Literral irony.

Fun fact : Japan is probably the country where foreigners are most often scammed.

Source : bullshit@irc.rizon.net

>>12272375

I've lived as a foreigner in Japan for two years and so my comments are based on my limited experience. As long as you aren't a jerk, the Japanese like you fine. If you're lucky to be white, they will forgive you a lot of things.
There's a lot of talk about Japanese being xenophobic, but it's really just towards black people and Russians in Hokkaidou (since there's been a number of infamous criminal scandals involving them) - the source of those "white people not allowed" signs you occasionally see posted.
I'm an Aussie, so I manage to visit the country twice a year or so (it's only 9 hours away) so it lacks a lot of the "exotic, far-away fantasy-land" mystique it probably holds for a lot of Americans. Also, my wife is Japanese, so living with one in your house makes them seem a lot less like "magical girls from one of my Japanese animes" and a lot like normal human beings who happen to speak a different language.

>>12272414
>my wife is Japanese
Lucky asshole. My wife is attached to my left arm.

>>12272420
I sometimes long for those days, anon, if it's any consolation.

Try and do everything you want to for yourself before you get married and have a kid, as your own selfish desires, such as enjoying life and following your own dreams will be stripped from you afterwards.

My one act of rebellion is stealing a few hours to write pornographic stories involving video game characters.

Want to make a small game with the moonsisters.
What song would suits them? I mean, as a theme?

>>12272538
Traditional japanese mixed with trance

>>12272600
What's trance?

>>12272641
A music genre.

>>12272206
I dunno. Ideally I'll probably have to re-read the canon description of the characters to find a minigame that at least fit with their style or powers.

>>12272226
Honestly as far as the gameplay is concerned it "shouldn't" be that difficult. Then again what makes the charm of FFTA is the overall mix meaning characters/story/arts/battle. I can only do the battle, and probably a light version of it since I never played the game past the 6th map.

>>12272414
>my wife is Japanese

So you can pretty much visit Japan whenever you feel like? Or even live there permanently for that matter?
Lucky asshole.

>>12272414
>my wife is Japanese
That son of a bitch married the dream.

>>12272753
Depending on how Unity works, implementing battle shouldn't be too hard, as you can literally clone the system from all the documentation they have online. The real hard part would be the AI and art, but the system itself is relatively simple, if time-consuming.

Feelio when not enough of a primary to make 2hu fan game.

Autosage has been reached.

>>12273927
u mena bump limit

>>12274240
What does "u mena" means?

New thread over here >>12274309

>>12272422
A busy aussie married to a Japanese woman that writes weeaboo fanfiction... are you cpl_crud's alter ego?