/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I never had any friends.

>>12185492
I'll be your friend, dude.

>>12185492
Internet friends also count.

>>12185495
N-no thanks.

>>12185496
I don't have any of those either.

Even if that were true, Kancolle is just hype shit and has 0 substance unlike touhou.

>>12185501
>2hu
>So devoid of substance that fans have to replace it with their own fanon
>Thinking you're in a position to criticize

I think my sides just activated a spellcard

>>12185510
What was the name of the spellcard?

How do you lose something you never had?

>>12185510
Very nice /b/ response

>>12185558
Do imaginary friends count?

>>12185488
>lose friends
Not possible. You're all I have, /jp/.

Kantai Collection just seems so lazy, you could say Touhou is lazy too as characters are just poorly drawn girls in hats, but Kancolle is pandering to the lowest common denominator by being nothing but fan service.

06/10/14(Tue)03:54:15

>>12185564
Yes.

>>12185488
You could just ask other people to like your sluts.

>>12186784
>>12185558
>>12185500
I can be your friend. If you let me cum inside.

>>12186802
yeah you know I get the same vibe, at least when I got into enjoying the world of touhou it was more than that to me. I loved for a lot more than sexual fan service.

>>12185488
I love Touhou for the characters, setting, and lore. Kancolle excels in none of those.

>>12186802
Agreed. Even if half of the Touhou storyline makes no sense it's there, and there is sort of a justification for there being all the cute girls. Kancolle is just jumping on the moe bandwagon with "Naval battles, except the ships are girls and they dress slutty! Amazing!"

>>12186968
What's the size of gensokyo?

>>12186975
few sq. mi at most I think

All the relevant characterization (that is, none of it) of Kancolle is done in secondary work. The lore is somewhere inbetween WWII and a generic world with generic enemies.

Basically, fanon is all there is.

>>12186968
Except the game is actually fun.

>>12186982
Don't try to argue with the delusonial touhoutards. They think they're somehow superior to other people just because they enjoy "well crafted lore and gameplay", for intellectuals like themselves, when they aren't any different from the Kancolle crowd.

>>12186993
Kancolle is just another generic card game.

>>12186993
As someone who dropped Touhou and picked up Kancolle, the lore and game of Kancolle are both horribly lacking.

>>12186994
Touhou is just a generic STG, with a childish plot, and a bunch of little girls with superficial personalities.

>>12186999
Why are you playing a game for a plot?

>>12186999
Kancolle is really shitty even for a card game. Hell, it isn't even a card game. It's a repetitive task simulation game.

>a bunch of little girls with superficial personalities.
They still have more than the Kancolles.

>>12187002
Just because piss doesn't smell as bad as shit, doesn't make it any less worse. Just like there are decent alternatives you could go for instead of playing Kancolle, you could always try decent STGs that don't rely on stupid gimmicks and actually have decent scoring systems (save a few touhou games).

I find that main girl from Kancolle insulting.
It's just so manufactured it's sickening.
"They like the school girl look so we'll cut the outfit in half. They also like the zettai ryouiki so we need to include that. Oh, and bunny girls are a fan favorite so let's make the bow look like rabbit ears." It's just so soulless..

>>12187007
I would rather drink piss than eat shit and you probably would too.

>Just like there are decent alternatives you could go for instead of playing Kancolle
Any suggestions?

>>12187008
I know right? It's like somebody turned a variety of fetishes into a character.

>>12187016
The supposed justification for it is that she acts out for attention due to having no friends.

I play KanColle and Touhou and have gained more friends from it.

>>12186999
And Kancolle has even less gameplay, even less plot, and even less personality in its characters. Touhou isn't perfect but it's better than slutships. I guess if I was only into 2hu for the porn and lewd doujinshi than Kancolle wouldn't really be any different, but I like it for more reasons than that.

>>12187010
I don't know, maybe those random card games which are bumped to the front page of /jp/ everyday might be interesting alternatives. As long as they try to not force you to go for premium benefits, it's a step in the right direction.

Why do Touhou and Kancolle fanbases have to fight each other? Can't we just get along?

>>12187027
People play those games to collect the cards,which doesn't make sense to me because you can just look at the pictures of the cards online, not for the game play. Most of them have very little actual game play, just highest number wins.

>>12187027
I started Valkyrie Crusade way back (before Kancolle, actually) but it was too hard for me and in the end it was just the same endless grinding shit except with a working friends feature so I gave up. Other than that..., well, Pazudora isn't a cute girls game.

I did look at Robot Girls Z but it was hard for me to give a shit about that too.

>>12187031
Nah. It's more fun having an enemy.

>>12187032
I think it probably follows the same logic as to why people simply like to collect things, no matter how stupid or useless they may be. http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/dedication/largest-collection-of-rubber-ducks

>>12187038
I don't know it's just fun to watch all the stuff you have keep piling up over time even though it's useless.

>>12187035
So, you two don't really hate each other? Are you rivals?

>>12187044
There's not much use in collecting most things, it's just fun to do it. People who collect stamps, drinks, and the like probably feel the same as you, to an extent.

>>12187055
But those a physical things.
I can't wrap my head around why people want to collect virtual cards.

>>12187057
Because you feel an arbitrary and pointless sense of accomplishment when you get the card you wanted. You can even share this feeling with your friends, if you have any.

>>12187050
I would have said hate, but I don't hate anyone based on their choice of cute girls franchise; that would be silly. My opinions are my own and not representative of anyone else's, though.

>>12187031
Maybe a bit exaggerating but the feel of superiority might be one of basic human instinct.

Humans will always try to justify that they're at least better than someone, at just about anything they find possible, or if they can't make themselves higher, they'll try to make someone feel lower, and it's even more common and very appearant in the land of freedom.

You can say it's one of basic human needs besides eat, sleep and sex. Humans may can't stand being at least humble at absolutely everything even for short period of time, let alone for the rest of their lives.

>>12187031
I thought nobody takes that "fight" serious.
I tend to make mocking statements about Kancolle, and yes, usually in the context of superiority, but, I mean, everyone recognizes that those jabs are just a silly game, right?
To me, it's really just like the average Touhou plot progression, where people beat each other up and then have tea together afterward. That's how I see it.

>>12186960
It's better being alone then being a slut!

Kancolle and Touhou are both astounding fun.

I've been playing a hell lot more Kantai than 2hu recently, but I think I still like 2hu a lot better for the secondary material. Regardless, both games are fun.

Touhou has much better secondary material if you want stories and such, Kantai has much less. Bout' a page of translated non-H doujins on exhentai to read+a couple good 4koma on danbooru and there's not much for stories to revolve around.

I think Zun did a good job when he decided to be vague as shit; it allows stories to be a lot less restricted.

>>12187186
How do you play a game with no gameplay?

>>12187177
We can cuddle afterwords!

>>12187189

You sit back and watch cute girls do stuff. There's not really much to the gameplay, but I'm assuming that is why a lot of people can play it.

>>12187227
So, kinda like an interactive SoL?
I thought you had to collect the Kantais(?) first before you can use them or whatever, do you really just choose your character and then they shoot at each other until one of them sinks?
Sorry if that come along as ignorant, but the only contact I've had with the game was the odd remark here on /jp/.

>>12187255
You have to collect cards that you use in the game. You set them before each match on a battleship/bingo board and that's about it.

>>12187255
Once you pick your fleet composition, meaning what cards you use and what equipment you have, you let them travel along a map hoping that they will get to the boss node.

Which way you go through the map, whether you can go to the boss node at all, what ships they attack, and how much damage they do is all decided by RNG.

All the player does is tell them what formation to be in before every fight and whether to retreat after every fight.

>>12187258
>>12187271
Ah, I see. Does something actually happen during that time on the screen, or is a timer all you get?

>>12187281
The battle happens, but all you get to do is watch a minimal amount of movement and listen to the girls yell.

>>12187285
That sounds really boring.
I'm sorry...

>Ships have human characteristics
Dumb.

>>12187289
It's not exciting, that's for sure. Sometimes I'll just listen to the girls fight while I post on 4chan or something. I like the audio more than visuals in general.

>>12187297
Why not just listen to one of those audio cds or whatever they're called then?

>>12187297
Ah, so my initial hunch wasn't too far off. I like to have a SoL or some other form of light entertainment running in the background as well during boring or repetitive work.
I guess that means that most of the girl's characteristics and demeanour are left to the fans' imagination as well?

>>12187308
Drama CDs? I do listen to those, but my Japanese isn't good enough that I can parse the dialogue unless I'm giving it my full attention.

Also, I only pick those up for series that I was already following somewhere else, and there are only so many of those. I'll use drama CDs and anime episodes I've seen as background noise sometimes, though.

>>12187325
>I guess that means that most of the girl's characteristics and demeanour are left to the fans' imagination as well?
All people really have to roll with is the voice acting and dialogue they've been given (around thirty lines per character, I think). Other than it's fanon all the way home.

【MAD】スーパー北上さまと愉快な艦娘たち～１日目～【艦これ】
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21385527

【第12回MMD杯本選】MMDスーパー艦これ大戦風
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22889395

【艦これMAD】 イムヤの一日 【伊168】
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22119926

>>12187342
Well, that was certainly informative.
It didn't change my opinion about it that much, but I got a lot more context regarding Kancolle through talking to you.
So, thank you for your time and patience!

>>12185496
My internet friends think I'm weird for liking lolis and video games where lolis shoot lasers at eachother.

People fall for this one every time, don't they?

>>12187342
>around thirty lines per character, I think
That's definitely more than some 2hus have.

>>12186802
>>12186965
>>12186969
You do know that the reason for the fanservice is because it's on a site that hosts mainly R-18 games, right?

And the ships that dress sluttily are actually in the minority.

>>12187008
>>12187016
>>12187019
I'm positive that wasn't the intention when Shimakaze was designed. (The "no friends" part is also something that fanon conceived.)

And Shimakaze isn't even the main girl. Get your facts right.

>>12187027
>As long as they try to not force you to go for premium benefits
Four words.

Good luck with that.

>>12187031
>>12187050
Apparently ZUN said they go well together. Somewhere on his twitter; anyone got the link?

>>12187295
It's what Japan does, deal with it. Moreso since we're on /jp/.

>cuntkolle
>2hu
Both are already declining and dying.

2hufags are just really mad their 10+ years old of declining circlejerk is getting washed away by a less than 1 year old booming game which haven't even reached its full potential and still has years of content to come.

I'm only in for the Shimakaze CJD

I follow neither but I can tell you I like 2hu's designs more

I'm we've finally reach /v/ levels of forcing pun names into things we don't like.

>>12188279
>>12188268
I would just like to thank these two fanboys for replying to posts 10 hours too late.

IM@S > Touhou > shit > KanColle

>>12188795
Shift Touhou one more to the right and I'll agree.

>>12188799
Ok.
Idols > Shit > everything

>>12188279
>I'm positive that wasn't the intention when Shimakaze was designed.
All characters in this field are designed to appeal to otaku in some way or another, but we don't hold that against the girls.

>The "no friends" part is also something that fanon conceived.
It's pretty much official at this point, seeing as how it's found is way into official 4koma and comics.

>>12188808
>but we don't hold that against the girls.
Hahaha, yeah right, faglord. No one except hardcore military nerds would be playing this game if all the ships were simply that, ships, instead of cute girls. So, if it weren't for the otaku appeal, this game would have sunk long ago. And I just can't accept games that exist for no other factor but weeb bait.

>>12188811
>So, if it weren't for the otaku appeal, this game would have sunk long ago. And I just can't accept games that exist for no other factor but weeb bait.
Pretty much everything relevant to /jp/ is "weeb bait".

>>12188808
>All characters in this field are designed to appeal to otaku in some way or another, but we don't hold that against the girls.
I'll give you that.

>It's pretty much official at this point, seeing as how it's found is way into official 4koma and comics.
Just like Ryuujou and breast envy, right? When she was proud of her distinctive silhouette in the game?

There's another, more popular and more accepted reason for Shimakaze's dress-up: it's designed for maximum speed. I'm not sure whether it's actually canon, but it is more in line with her canon personality.

>>12188811
You're right, but if it only had cute girls, it would also more likely than not have sunk long ago. The fact that the devs have shown that they knew their WW2 IJN stuff extremely well, as well as the fact that it's not a P2W game, is what made it this popular. These 2 factors are also just as important; KanColle wouldn't have gone as far as it has if you took away any of that.

>>12187271
>>12187285
I haven't played Kancolle in a couple months but that's a pretty damn big simplification. Map navigation, battle phases and target selection are all significantly influenced by fleet composition beyond straight up RNG. Attack order and battle performance meanwhile is all essentially dependent upon unit equipment and stats. Finally, beyond simply deciding when to retreat, player interaction during map navigation also includes deciding when to pursue Night Battle (a tradeoff between a chance at extra experience/fulfilling battle objectives versus greater fatigue and resource consumption, which have effects on battle performance), which makes navigation ultimately a matter of resource management.

The battle simulation aspect of Kancolle is actually fairly deep. As someone completely new to naval simulation games, I found Kancolle's novel stat system as well as the influence of unit type/fleet composition on the introduction of/performance in various different battle phases to be genuinely compelling. The depth and engagement of Kancolle's battle system was the primary factor which kept me playing as long as I did, as well as the pimrary factor in determining my attachment to most of the shipgirls. What ultimately lead my level of play to stall conversely was the tedium and level of time commitment/resource management required to engage in the lotteries of new ship/equipment construction.

>tfw your favourite artists finally ditch touhou and start drawing kancolle

I wanted to like it because I'm into military history, but it just doesn't do anything for me. It's barely a a game, and I don't really like most of the character designs.

Atago is nice, though.

>>12189756
Deep gameplay. That's funny. Why do you think the Kancolle thread would never survive in /v/? You're delusional.

>>12189756
Yuck.

>>12190320
>/v/
>browsergames

>>12185488
>When did you start realizing that 2hu is old and busted

When I realized the last whole-numbered Touhou game I truly enjoyed was Mountain of Faith.

>>12185488
Kancolle is shit. Everything that everyone has ever criticized Touhou for, Kancolle does, worse.

make a strike witches ripoff and sell it as a browser game?
ｗｗｗ

>>12190320
>Deep gameplay. That's funny.
Not him, but it's relatively extensive for a niche flash-based browser game. And it's not apple-to-apple if you compare it to Silent Hunter, Total War, or HoI.