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Whats a good strategy for Cranberry Trap and Maze of Love?

>>12147204

Why 8-4? It's annoying.

I have about 5 hours on the game now and submitted some scores to RF. the scoring is quite awful on the whole, but some scenes are functional.

>>12147211
>Cranberry Trap
don't move too much

>Maze of Love
Weave through the waves instead of going in circles

>>12147211
>>12147260
as Reimu I stay at the bottom, but Marisa has just the right focused speed to go in circles, and she's too fat to fit in the gaps

>>12147320
Reimu and Marisa have the same hitbox size in EoSD.

>>12147326
I couldn't tell. Well, but is slightly more difficult to move delicately due to Marisa's extreme speed

8-4 seems pretty boring, it will just end up in trying to bet the smallhu as fast as possible to get the bonus - there isn't much you can do differently and it don't seem that there are many bonuses like in the former tengu games for pretty pictures and something

Is using the hitbox patch for EoSD cheating?

>>12147601

Yes. Only babies need visible hitboxes.

>>12147601
The "Scoring community" calls it so, but they also dislike vpatch. I personally think using the hitbox patch is wrong as it wasn't how EoSD was designed, whereas vpatch helps remove input lag that wasn't as common on computers when EoSD came out.

>>12147590
You can do extreme milking if you wanna get a WR. I don't think anyone's tried it yet.

>>12147601
It's generally frowned upon. It's also probably good for your personal development as a shmupper to get a feel for your character placement without always having to stare at your sprite.

>>12147637
I think most scoring players are fine with vpatch.

>>12147601
I started with EoSD, and when I moved on to PCB my mind was blown because I was able to dodge denser patterns more easily because of seeing the hitbox.
Take from that what you will.

Reminder that throwing your head at the enemy is accepted as a powerful attack

>>12148048

I believe the technical term is "Glasgow Bowling".

>>12147876

8-4.

Yeah, my favorite past-time activity: sitting on top of a boss that fires random bursts and moves into whichever direction it wants to, messing up cancels and grazing.

This game is a weird combination of EoSD and SA. Maybe if using items dropped the spell bonus while grazing would tick it upwards, but that didn't happen.

Someone here can get 9.5-10m or so. I believe in you /jp/!

>>12147211
Cranberry: Start from middle, move down, move back up.
Maze of Love: Just spin around and stop trying to go between the bullets at the bottom.

>>12147601
Personally I don't care whether you use it or not but most people dislike hitbox usage, and some scoreboards don't want those kind of replays. Use it until you get used enough to the game that you stop staring at your hitbox.

Does anyone have any tips for beating Yuyuko, Yatsuhashi and Momiji's cards in Impossible Spell Card without items?

>>12150051
I beat Yatsuhashi with wide shot at close range for as long as possible, then moving down and diagonally into the corner.

>>12150067
Which one 5-2 or 5-5?

>>12150133
Wait, that was wrong 2hu, nevermind.

>>12150051
Momiji only has the bite card right? When the teeth spawn stand where I'm on, on the picture. When you hear the lasers spawn move downward as much as you can without hitting the little blue bullets.
Some of the teeth spawn out of bounds so there's a higher chance you'll live. The electricity she shoots after is random but one of the beams is aimed, that's why you move down.
This is still stupid random, some teeth can still kill you and expect to die several times to electricity walls. But I find this to have a much higher success rate than any other method.

Finally.

>>12150142

>>12150141
That sort of works, but it's still complete bullshit. You basically gotta try over and over until you get lucky with the electricity.

>>12150144
>no hidden nicknames
Scrub.

I don't have any either ;_;

>>12150169
There are hidden ones?

>>12150183
Yes nine for clearing all spells with each item, and one for clearing all spells with no items.

>>12150169
>I don't have any either ;_;
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>12150165
Yup. I don't think there's any other way around it unless you pause buffer. And even if you do you'll still get walled.

>>12150212
Shit, is it even possible? Certainly not for a noob like me. ;_;

>>12150234
>;_;
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>12150236
Show us your achievements, senpai.

>>12150237
You're mistaking him for laughing at your unachievements; he's laughing at your misuse of spoilers.

>>12150287
Now, that doesn't change the fact that he's unlikely to have any.

>>12150304
Owned.

>>12150304
That highly depends on what you perceive as an achievement. Some people think lunatic 1ccs are the work of superplayers and others think a simple vanilla 1cc is super scrubby. So maybe he has something you don't look at as an achievement, but he does.

The subi-tem also gains experience in ISC, right?

>>12150458
No.

>>12150466
Okay.

>>12150455
That's assuming he plays Touhou.

'sup

>>12150480
How.

>>12150483
manipulating the framerate, that's how the badasses play their 2hu

>>12150522
Yeah, use pause buffering just like some scrubs, and be proud for using it.

Bomb is the best item.

I ganbatte'd my best!

>>12150522
A couple of Japanese and Chinese players, and at least one American player have done a full no-item clear without any sort of pause abuse

>>12151162
links please

>>12151218
https://twitter.com/hadns/status/466802938816393218
https://twitter.com/LYX_TEST/status/466783664278220800
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15428.msg1099302.html#msg1099302

>>12150141
My god, thank you. I never thought I would get that piece of shit spellcard.

>>12150837
yep. I beat about 80% of the spells with it.

>>12151814
>bomb
>beat
He he he he

What's the difficulty on 14.3? Is it easy compared to other core games?

>>12152585
It's the easiest touhou game if you're using items. Otherwise at times it's about as hard as the middle section of Aya's games, with a few spell cards that are much harder in the last day.

finally I 1CCed ten desires on normal. only took me a month.

Okay, next time maybe I won't die 3 times during the stage portion of stage 6. Not counting on that though.

>>12153294
Could you upload the replay?

>>12153312
From what I know, he doesn't like uploading his replays since he finds the runs really bad.

[05:14:44] Shouldn't have even bothered mentioning it
[05:14:47] sorry
[05:15:18] Cleared 0/0 btw
[05:15:22] what a shit

>>12153294
Congrats! I hope you can take a lighter approach to your play soon.

>>12153312
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=33423
I don't know why you would want it, though. For comedic relief, I guess.

>>12153294
>>12153354
Congratulations!

I hope you can take a less hateful approach towards your runs in the future.

>>12153354
I just wondering how you died three times.

It looks to me like you half panicked and forgot that x existed.

>>12153368
He's doing very difficult stuff for maximal score gain.

>>12153368
It threw some really dumb fairy placement at me with the 3rd wave, and dying ''properly'' and getting some point items there is probably better than bombing, killing familiars, and thus getting none. The first death though was just me being dumb. I think the latter deaths could have been avoided if I were a bit more competent, but oh well. The run was in the trash after stage 2 anyway, but luck carried me through stage 5, where the run should have actually ended.

What do you guys use to play shmups? I'm rocking my HRAP3 modded with Seimitsu buttons myself.

Fucking difficulty spike at day 9
I was capping some cards with no uses at day 8, when suddenly i was not even sure if it was possible WITH items

>>12153907
As long as you're not forced in too much dialogal movements some 5$ keyboard is more than enough.

post more 2-2 Sekibanki danmaku art

>>12153970

>>12153986
Imagine all the dicks Sekibanki has drawn because of assholes like you.

>>12153907

A laptop keyboard

Next spinoff game will be called "Draw draw danmaku" and will work similar to Mario Paint.

>>12153986
what amateur cut this dick?

>>12153907
LS-56 stick. Need to get an octagonal gate as the stock square one pisses me off lately. Tempted to get a 32 stick or some MX Blues to try out.

Friendly reminder that it's still a 1cc if you clear the game in 1 credit, even if you start with max lives and bombs in EoSD, PCB and IN.

>>12154701
That reminds me of a guy who was bragging about 1ccing IN with max lives and bombs on easy mode.
It was disgusting.

How many ISCs did you beat without items, /jp/?
How many on day 10?

>>12154733
Blegh. Understand your feeling.

>>12154744
i work my no-item-runs in straight order and i'm currently at day three
exception is 2-5, still have no clue for a risk-minimal strategy to no-item this

>>12154744
60/75 cleared with no items.
4 of those on day 10. To be specific, 1, 8, 9 and 10

>>12154756
You should micrododge to the side at the beginning as much as you can
>make a quick movement to the side, to create a gap in streams
>quickly move up at her side as close as you can, you should get some spaced out bullets that are easy to dodge twice
>quickly move down to get through the gap that should be getting back down
That's how I managed to do it.
The key is to avoid diagonals and move quickly when you don't twitchdodge (the corner bounce will squish you).
There's also the option to pass up until sub items are available, use Sub Jizo and just slowly move from the side, should juust do it. Seriously, Sub Jizo breaks so many cards it's not funny.
>>12154792
56 here
10-2 and 10-10
Is it me or Remi's sheer knife attack has no weakness?

>>12154846
> Remi's sheer knife attack
Weakness: dodging

>>12154756
Start from a spot close to a corner and stream. That's how I did it, it's one of the easier attacks in the game.

>>12154846
Keep your greentext and spoiler abuse on /v/ in the future, alright? We don't mind you guys being here, but at least respect our traditions when you visit.

You can spin around Remilia in 10-4, but it's difficult and takes a while to get used to.
http://score.royalflare.net/th143/levelscene143-10.html#L10S4
People have done it, ノーアイテム in the description stands for no-item.

>>12154880
Sorry, used the > signs as bullet points.

>>12154846
That's basically what i'm doing. But you have to pull off a breakthrough from one side to the other at least 4-5 times, and that lets the winning probability shrink down to 0.5% with my skills.
If you mean the tanuki with "jizo": Using this item (i.e. getting hit) isn't considered a no-item-run from the point of the game.

>>12154846
>Sub Jizo

You're actually thinking of a doll.

But yeah, it does break a lot of things, though I'd venture it breaks less than orb or camera whenever they're needed. All things considered, they're like another (lower) difficulty level.

>>12154908
As Sub the doll gives you passive ability of spread shots. You can start assigning passive items about day 5 if I remember correctly. This and yin-yang ball (shrinks hitbox) are the go-to choice for no-item runs.
>>12154922
Oops, my mistake.

>>12154924
I don't think a smaller hitbox is that usefull, if a projectile hits me it's usually a bull's eye. The sub doll is pretty much my standard shot now, i kinda feel a bit bad for using it so frequently.

>>12154924
>>12154946
I remember J mentioning that the ying-yang passive is bugged and only works on lasers

2-5 without items, truly a pinnacle of modern bullet dodging play.
http://replay.royalflare.net/replay/th143_udv922.rpy

>>12154744
69/75, 7 of day 10. Had to shamefully use sub items on 5 so far and probably the rest too.

>>12154957
>I remember J mentioning that the ying-yang passive is bugged and only works on lasers

I was pretty sure there is a way to disprove this, but now I'm out of ideas. I just checked, and 8-2 is turned out to be just as easy without the ball sub as it was with it.

>>12154701
Not this shit again

>>12155001
You can safe spot Kyouko's bullets from the corners cards by staying in the exact middle of the screen with the yinyang ball, but not without it.

If it is possible without the yin yang ball then I've never managed it. Have fairly easy time doing it when I do have the yin yang ball.

>tfw cat broke my left key
>now playing on the numpad with 8462
There's no translation for Impossible SpellCard yet, right?
Also, how do I consistently beat Flandre's Ripples? I have a hard time with those types of patterns (think Tewi and Eirin nonspell too)

>>12156467
>There's no translation for Impossible SpellCard yet, right?
I think the Touhou patch center thing might have something up. No idea.
>how do I consistently beat Flandre's Ripples?
It's a read-and-dodge attack for the most of it. Try to position yourself so that you don't have to go through but one wave at a time.

Learning a couple of new tricks. Still not learning how to not gray items and drop grazes during every attack.

Mistimed a couple of borders and accidentally ended the first spell early, but I didn't miss a border during this one so the score was slightly higher than with my earlier practice run.

Getting somewhat consistent with what I do in the fourth stage. Now to push the fifth and sixth ones into equal level, and then I'm ready for a full run. Possibly.

How do I improve? I've been trying to clear IN for like 2 or 3 months and I feel like I've a wall, especially with Kaguya. There're bullets everywhere and I don't seem to be improving my consistency anymore since my best run trainwrecked on Kaguya back then. Is there some trick to actually practicing? I feel like I could probably do it if I threw credits at the game, but I don't want to spend five hours restarting stage 1 because I get hit by everything. Does anyone have any useful tips?

>>12157338

Abuse spell practice and watch replays.

>>12157366
Watching replays destroys the whole fun part. Finding a feasible strategy to make it through the stage alive by your own is the only reason i play STGs.

>>12157376
sometimes watching replays makes you find out fun ways to play the game. Like in SA Extra, where you either stay at the bottom or graze the shit out of everything

>>12157338
If you haven't already, up your lives to 7 to beat Kaguya, so that you can practice stage six for when you try to 1cc it properly.

>>12157376
You asked how to improve and that's probably the best answer you're going to get. Watching someone better than you helps you get better, if you don't want to do that out of principle then it's just about putting hours in and figuring it out your own way and nobody can help you grind.

>>12157622
Uh, I'm not >>12157376, I like watching replays and have watched some before. I know the routes in my head, but I can't execute them well and die/deathbomb. Maybe I should have specified it some.

Now i'm tired of trying to no-item Keine's 3-3. This spellcard just extremely boring and my brain has problems with focusing my hitbox and the red bullets at the same time.
Keine should really work on her style to make her spellcards fun to play.

>>12157736
It's also one of the easier scenes. Have Keine move to a corner and then run into the another one to dodge the red stuff

>>12158040
That's what i'm doing, but i can't see my hitbox and the gaps between the red bullets at the same time because of all these annoying light effects going on at this pace. But after a lot of tries i managed to do a left-right-left-wall-cycle about two times in a row and got her down to 1/4. It's not that hard, just extremely annoying.

>>12157736
Put your face close to the screen

>>12157338
I'm not sure how I feel about miracle runs, but I sure as hell got one. I did much better than usual in stage 3, 4 and 6. Especially stage 6. But I'm still crying. Because out of habit I x'd through the post credits and didn't save the replay. That makes me feel legitimately sad.

>>12159274

>>12159370
We need to go closer.

What do STG players have in common with cows ?
They spend most of their time grazing.

>>12161537
that pun is old
and bad

>>12157736
I found it easy to follow her, then quickly go down under her between the columns. They disappear quicker than the bullets get to you. Quickly go to far corner, dodge, repeat.

First attempt at scoring, not really sure what I'm doing. Taking that into account, how good/bad is this score ?
Also, from what I understand, spell card score decreases over time, but grazing increases it. Is there a good way to know if milking a card will be worth more than speedkilling it, or do you just need to experiment ?

>>12161537
Let me guess, you think "grazing" means fitting your hitbox through tight gaps.

>or do you just need to experiment ?
Yes. Try it out in spell practice and see if overall you're gaining or losing spell bonus. As you become more skilled and learn more difficult grazing techniques, you'll find more and more spells that you can milk.

>>12162184
>spell practice

>>12162184
I fit my hitbox through your mom's tight gap last night.

>>12162196
>>12162184
He probably just means practise.
Anyway, yeah, I'll just experiment. Also, is it ever really a good idea to use bombs ? Sometimes they fill a whole border whilst other times they give almost nothing, even when it looks like there's roughly the same amount of bullets, and I don't get it.

>>12161855
Every spell can be milked on Hard+ but some are superplayer tier hard to do

>>12162209
Cancelled bullets that you get towards the end of the bomb are worth considerably more cherry+ than the ones you get for most of the duration of the bomb. However, bombing lowers point item value so it might not worth doing unless you know what you're doing with them.

>>12162209
>He probably just means practise.
Oops.

>Also, is it ever really a good idea to use bombs ?
It can be, depending on your route. Finding out requires a lot of experimentation and analysis. PCB's complexity and flexibility makes scoring in it really great.

However, unless you're short on cherry and need a border for a critical graze, I would recommend saving bombing for cherry until later. There are a lot of other tricks that are more obvious and beneficial to you now.

>>12162225
Ok, so if there was a time to bomb, you'd do it before the bullets actually show up, got it.
>There are a lot of other tricks that are more obvious and beneficial to you now.
care to share some ? Or is it just the kind of stuff you'd find on the wiki ?
Also, from what I understand, each time you capture a spell card, the pink cherry items are worth 100 more cherry, right ? Is that the only reason people say capturing the early cards is essential, or is there something else that would make the earlier ones more important ?

>>12162242
>care to share some ? Or is it just the kind of stuff you'd find on the wiki ?
I'd have to see a replay to see which things you are and aren't doing. For example, you could have bad stage routes that result in dropping items all the time, or you could be missing an easy but important border supergraze, etc. You seem to be for figuring things out on your own, which is great, but if you wanted, you'd be bombarded with hundreds of things you probably couldn't have imagined if you watch a world record run of the difficulty and shot type you're interested in.

>Is that the only reason people say capturing the early cards is essential
Probably. But everything you do early in the game is important, since any Cherry+ gains will affect the value of all point items from that point forward.

>>12162255
Well, right now, showing a replay would probably be pointless, since there are millions of things that I know I did wrong, and accidental deaths and stuff. For now I'd imagine working out a proper route would be the most important thing to do, as well as working out which cards I should try supergrazing and which ones I should just kill.
Oh, and one last thing, does it affect your score at all if you shoot in focused mode when you already have a border ? I'm not good enough to pacify every spell card when I do have a border, so I was wondering if I should worry about shooting focused or not (besides when there's tons of graze to be had, which I know is much better to do unfocused.).

>>12162272
>Oh, and one last thing, does it affect your score at all if you shoot in focused mode when you already have a border ?
You do not gain Cherry while a border is active, so it doesn't matter how you shoot. The main detriment to shooting during a border is that you could be using the damage you're doing to the boss for more cherry and getting your next border sooner if you wait it out.

Hey guys I can't get eosd to run in windowed mode, only fullscreen. Anyone know how to fix this?

>>12162842
Go to the options and set it to windowed.

>>12162846
Sorry, I mean, I can set it to windowed but the game just freezes in windowed mode.

If I set it from in-game options menu it freezes when I try to exit the options menu, if I set it out-of-game the game freezes at the initial loading screen.

>>12162849
What OS are you using? Is the game set to compatibility mode? Are you using vpatch?

>>12162869
Windows 7 x64. I've tried both comp mode and not; neither work. I'm not sure what vpatch is.

>>12162872
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Tools#Vsync_Patches
EoSD requires jap locale/applocale.

>>12162872
>I'm not sure what vpatch is.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

>>12162877
Thank you it worksn ow.

What do you do if you brain just can't recognize a pattern and/or subconsciously focus on something you don't want and can't control it.

>>12162918
Practice, watch replays.

>>12162918
Take a 2 day break and run away from my problems.

>>12162920
This is my ultimate STG stance to tunnel my subconsciousness and slow down time and space.

For those who play windowed - what resolution do you play at? I get eye cancer at 640x480 and in those with 960x720 it all looks ugly (except DDC/ISC of course).

>>12162937
640x480 in games before SA, 960x720 for SA and after.

A bit of a tech support style question, but does anyone have an issue where, when you press 3 arrow keys at once, the computer beeps and the input gets all fucked? I started having this issue when I installed windows 7 for my computer. I'd be playing my 2hu all fine and dandy, then I accidentally hit 3 arrow keys in the heat of the moment and silly marismiser flies off in a random direction for a split second, and obviously I can't be having that. Of course it happens no matter what I'm doing on my computer but it really fucks me over when I play touhou and I'm having a good run.

Maybe I should ask at a tech support forum, but the one I did ask just gave me a generic reply of "are your keyboard drivers up to date? maybe try a different keyboard" and the program he recommended for auto-updating my drivers gave me an error. I figured a fine pal here might have had the same issue as me, since it would affect any mlgpro 2hu player greatly if it happened to them.

>>12163600
Well, did you check your keyboard drivers? That gave me some trouble when I switched keyboards a while back.

>>12163618
I've checked my keyboard drivers through the control panel and they were up to date.

>>12163636
What brand is your keyboard? How old is it?

Where should I start if I want to start getting good at shmups?

>>12163642
It's an hp keyboard that came with my hp computer, I'd say around 2010 or so. I don't know the product name or anything though.

>>12163668
I forgot to mention, before installing Windows 7 I had Vista, and I didn't have the issue then. I reformatted my computer, installed 7, then it became an issue.

>>12163668
I can't think of anything else but updating your drivers.

You could also just buy a new keyboard, a couple of /jp/ players use some twenty buck Dell/Logitech stuff. But if you want to really invest or something you could buy a mechanical keyboard with Cherry MX Reds.

>>12163658
Playing the games a lot.

>>12164175
How are Cherry Browns?

``You should buy a $300 ricer keyboard to play your waboo games.'' -- Anonymous Touhou Player, /jp/, circa 2014.

>>12165102
I thought people on these threads have usually said that input methods are about personal preference and don't mean much if you're going to work hard anyway.

>>12165431
Well, as long as you don't have/ don't have much input lag, and none of the keys/buttons are broken, you should be fine.

I played with some broken keys once. Was not a fun time.

Are these bullet-hitboxes circular or rectangular? It looks like they should be circular, but they sure feel rectangular.

they're more or less like this except smaller and more well made, so I'd say circular

as a general rule, bullets only hurt once you go beyond the white border, so don't touch the blue border

>>12165865
They're circular, but too big. The graphic says "avoid the white part" but the dark part is dangerous too.

>>12165865
it only kills once you hit whatever's colored

>>12165919
>>12165960
>>12165963
Only the larger bullets have circular(ish) hitboxes.

All the ones in >>12165865 are square.

>>12166048
>All the ones in >>12165865 are square.
Why does ZUN do this? It's easier to do circle/circle collisions, normally.

>>12166078
a circle and a square is pretty much the same, just in different coordinate systems - which you can easily translate from one to the other

>>12164175
guess I'll do that then, this keyboard isn't the best anyway.

>>12166102
a circle is easier because it's just a radius

>>12166048
How do you know? And what does circular"ish" mean?

>>12166365
>How do you know?
With enough experience with dense patterns, you can feel the squareness (it's even more obvious in EoSD with the Metal Fatigue bullets). I can even tell when some hitboxes are off-center (UFO's larger bullets had this problem for some reason, their hitboxes feel a little to the left).

>And what does circular"ish" mean?
I'm not sure. I only said that since I've heard a lot of rumors that ZUN fucked up the circular hitbox collision detection equation a little bit. It's nothing that I've noticed in-game, however.

I'm sure someone out there has pulled out the code that ZUN used.

By the way, a lot of people think it's just the white part of a bullet that's the hitbox, or even some people that think it's a little bigger than that, but no. The bullet hitboxes are way, way smaller than most people think.

>>12166382
I've never noticed it, other than EoSD's big bullets, which is well known. But maybe that's why I'm not a super player. Still I hesitate to trust anything that didn't come from ZUN or a debugger.

I was too curious. This is what I found, at least on that red bullet in >>12165865

The upper left is A and B overlaid. They are offset diagonally with A on top. In A I moved right and died. In B I moved down and died. To me that cannot be a rectangular hitbox.

>>12166484
I wonder if ZUN has changed things in the recent games (I stopped playing after TD, and it could have even changed there without me noticing because TD has no bullets). I could have sworn by the squareness in older games.

At the very least, the graze hitbox is obviously square in all the games I've played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwHbt-Sr0mE

>>12166382
I've never noticed the off-center bullets.

I think the "circularish" hitboxes come from the fact that although BULLET hitboxes are circular, the PLAYER hitbox is a square, so determining bullet hitboxes by colliding with them gives the impression of a vaguely-circular object.

>>12166484
Do you know exactly what the player's real hitbox looks like? If you assume the player's hitbox is a scaled version of the bullet's one you're right. But there are some counterexamples if it's not the case.

>>12166484
It occurs to me that the games just might be programmed a bit wonky. Also when first playing I assumed grazing meant having bullets touching the actual hitbox, not just the player sprite.

>>12167014
What do you mean? I don't see how that connects to the game being "programmed a bit wonky."

By the way, it's not the player sprite you graze with, but a larger hitbox than the collision hitbox, with (what seems to be) the same shape.

>>12167026
Well look, the bullet is overlapping the player's hitbox far too much in some of those pictures. If it's just a bug, that's bad. If they're diamond-shaped hitboxes that's stupid design.

>>12167031
Yeah, that is a significant overlap for such a small bullet. I wonder if it was intentional, to allow for more intricate danmaku.

Defeated Koishi for the first time today, feels pretty good.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=33495

>>12168965
congratulations. I like playing as MarisaA, too.

>>12166993
You're right, I was assuming that the player would be the same shape as a common bullet. The only reason I can think of to use squares here is the speed of hit testing two of them. So if one is a circle, you might as well use circles for both. But I can't say for sure. However using a diamond would be insane.

Is there any reason not to kill yourself at the start of a PCB score run to get the extra items ? I mean, there are enough lives in the game to still have max lives at the end anyway, right ?

>>12169173
It depends, on some higher difficulties you will want to spend your lives elsewhere.

The route starts to slowly piece itself together. Died twice on Alice's final spellcard, but I can't be bothered to grind Stage 3 more now that I know my stuff works.

I suppose 150M would be a reasonable goal for Hard Stage 3, if someone was to take upon it with a more serious mindset.

Surreal. I put in a random credit while listening to a stream of some guy scoring in ISC, decided to carry on even though I broke a border in the beginning of stage 2, and the rest of the run didn't really shine either. Then I happened to magically improve my high score once again.

Had a pretty good Yuyuko outside the first non and Reflowering, but that's about it.

A bit more practice and then another attempt at a full run, I suppose. Let's hope the luck doesn't leave me now.

I don't know what to say. I don't know what I feel either, other than relief.

...on to 8-7

>>12169891
Well good j...

>4,514

...I'm never going to have this kind of dedication.

>>12169943
It was more addiction than dedication. I really wanted to stop but couldn't.

>>12169998
Either way, that's why you have a no-item clear on that stage and I don't.

>>12169891
Damn. I'm stuck on that and 5-2 (not to mention others but they are both similarly random). Did you get that one too?

>>12170204
Nope, it's the only scene outside of day 10 I have left to no item. I took a break on it at 1066 tries, it feels like it's gonna be harder than 8-6 though.

Stage 6 was shit.

I don't know if i should even waste my time with 4-1 anymore. It's basically waiting for 4 random pattern in a row that aren't impossible. Why is Yuyuko's danmaku always so tedious.

>>12170348
Nice, complaining sometimes helps. Two more tries and i finally got the luck on my side.

>>12170348
Why do people end quetions with a period?

>>12165431
Those people are wrong, and are only saying that because others are saying that.

>>12170232
I have those two and 9-1, which I must eventually find the trick to.

>>12170405
I only use question marks if the sentence would be ambiguous without it.

mother fucker

Finally beat 5-2 using the substitute jizo and the doll, it's very fun and something everyone should try.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7blv8gXqAU&feature=youtu.be

>>12170370
I don't know if you're being ironic or just bad at Touhou. 4-1 is one of the easier patterns and certainly fair.

>>12170346
Congratulations! Even a small improvement is an improvement.

>>12171338
There were a lot of people having trouble with 4-1.
Different people, different strengths and weaknesses. For example i'm extraordinary bad when a spellcard involves (curved) lasers - my brain can't handle these properly. There are a lot of other players with the same weakness but also a lot a players for which lasers are easy-peasy.
And i wouldn't call such random pattern fair, there are some cases where it's simply impossible to dodge. So you need to take these deaths which is quite annoying gameplaywise.

>>12171643
>there are some cases where it's simply impossible to dodge
Your field of vision is small and you don't have enough experience to see where future walls will form.

It's not nearly dense enough for the randomness to become unfair.

Sorry for dumb question, but do you do more damage the closer you are to your target?

>>12172020

Yes.

>>12172020
Depends on your shot type, it's the case for fan shaped shots since more of it is hitting, but for straight shot types like yukari in SA, it doesn't really make a difference.

>>12171969
if you just want bully me for not meeting your 2hu pro gaming standard in finishing a certain spellcard i'm OK with it, but please take the kancolle thread instead

>>12172201
I don't think he was making fun of you, anon. It's perfectly reasonable that the being-able-to-roughly-estimate-the-trajectory-of-hundreds-of-bullets skill isn't developed as much as other people.

For example, when I see dense walls that I have a 10% chance of getting past, I treat it as an impassable wall and try to think of a roundabout tactic. Some of my friends just go through it like it's nothing.

>>12172277
That's basically "Different people, different strengths and weaknesses". Some people are able to foresee the safe spots depending on the time, some people are good at micro dodging, some people are good in memorizing more or less deterministic movements or pattern. Sometimes, the color of the projectiles is even deciding.

>>12172277
My wife is really good at maneuvering through really tight spaces that I didn't even think where possible to get through.

I'm kind of new to these threads, and really casual when it comes to 2hu. I wanted to ask something though. I'm currently on PCB and have been trying for months to get a 1cc on normal with no noticeable improvements in getting there (like I said, terrible). I wanted to know if beating the games with continues is still considered okay. I know you receive the bad endings and poor score, but I can't seem to do much better, and I was able to beat the game immediately after trying with continues. I was simply wondering if completing with continues can still be seen as acceptable and having beat the game, despite the seemingly negative connotations.

>>12172512
I think it's fine anon. At least you tried.

>>12172512

Its not seen as beating the game by most people. Technically, it is though. I'd advise you to just keep playing, move up to a harder difficulty or maybe try another Touhou game for a fresh perspective. Its hard to believe, but you will get there in the end. It took me around 7 months to 1cc EoSD on Normal.

>>12172512
Anyone at all can beat the game on normal with continues, so no, it's not really anything special, especially with PCB. If you died right at the end of the final boss or something then if it makes you happy you can pretend you beat it, but even then, that is when most 1ccs end.
You'll manage eventually if you keep trying, though. If you've never seen anyone decent playing before, there's a high chance you're doing stuff wrong, so go watch some replays and learn from them.

>>12172319
I meant that you need to stop complaining and keep playing the game. Of course other people are better than you at sight-reading, when they have played more than you.

I don't play Kancolle.

What do you guys prefer to play with?
Keyboard?
D-pad?
Analog?
Arcade stick?

>>12173098
Keyboard.

>>12173098
Keyboard. I have grown fond of it.

Unless it is a fighter, then I need an arcade stick.

>>12173098
keyboard

>>12172512
I agree with >>12172540 you definitely want to play a variety of touhou games rather than focus on just one when starting out. You get better at bullet dodging overall while having much more variety than if you were just playing a single game all the time.
I think only the intense high-scoring people focus on one or two games, I know I couldn't do that. I like being able to do a run in UFO then the next day I give EoSD a whirl, change things up a bit, maybe do a no-bomb run of MoF's extra stage.

Every time I reach an EX boss's last spellcard for the first time is really intense and heart-pounding. I always get 70-80% through and I think it's because the sheer adrenaline is making me like 300% better at 2hu. I love these moments.

Besides failing Hourai Jewel with 1-pixel-width health left and 2 seconds remaining, Kaguya fight was okay. Too bad stages 3 - 5 were crap.

I thought the guy who said Lunatic was the standard difficulty was joking. The things you realize when you start Luna mode

>>12173225
You think I should just continue on to the next game then? I have them available to play, it's just I didn't know if I should until I beat the game outright.

>>12173416
Congratulations!

So, I'm kinda confused with some things going on in Subterranean Animism.

Did Utsuho really lose her powers at the end of the game? There is real no conversation after you defeat Utsuho or any reference of her after that.

How the hell were the Moriya's going to tame Utsuho? She already planned to take over Gensokyo... or at least melt it...

Also, "The Kappas' Energy Revolution". What does the Kappas have to do with all this? Nitori was quite uniformed when you reach Utsuho with MarisaC.

>>12173886
This doesn't really concern this thread, as this isn't gameplay discussion, but whatever.

>Did Utsuho really lose her powers at the end of the game?
Considering she uses them in Hiso, I doubt it.

>How the hell were the Moriya's going to tame Utsuho?
With money and/or raw power? I don't think it was stated anywhere, but maybe you could read one of ZUN's books.

>What does the Kappas have to do with all this?
Probably nothing, outside aiding Marisa.

>>12173098
Analog. Keyboard just feels weird to me now. I'm not very good though.

Years of grinding slowly paying off.

>>12173098
I prefer the arcade stick at first it was somewhat awkward but then I started using it for everything fighters,platformers stg and beltscrollers now it's my favorite input method for 2D games.

what music do you hear while grinding some annoying spellcards

>>12175083
holy shite

>>12175083
Nice score! Congratulations!

>>12175083
Die less on Keine.

Is there some kind of STG canon? What games would you consider to be in that canon?

>>12173098
I wanted to switch to an arcade stick but it doesn't work for me with STGs so I just use a keyboard. I need one for beat em ups though

>>12175516
You mean with touhou? All the ones made by Zun, except the PC-98 games.

>>12175529
>You mean with touhou?
Generally regarding STGs. Games one should have played sometime. DoDonPachi comes to mind maybe.

>>12175539
Oh, you don't mean Story Canocity.

Crimzon Clover WORLD IGNITION is out, and very cheap

>>12175539
Depends on your taste. I guess some of the more popular arcade stuff would be anything Cave (eg. DDP, Deathsmiles, Mushi, etc), Raizing (Garegga/Bakraid, Mahou series, Batrider), Psikyo (Gunbird, Strikers, Dragon Blaze, etc), the Raiden series, the Ray series (RayForce, RayStorm, RayCrisis), the Gigawing series (and Mars Matrix!), some Toaplan stuff (Batsugun, Tatsujin, Hishouzame, etc), the R-Type series, the Gradius games (and sister-games like Parodius/Salamander/Otomedius, etc), the Darius series, Ikaruga, and Radiant Silvergun. Alfa System's Shikigami no Shiro series is pretty cool too, and relatively overlooked.

Then there's some doujin games like Crimzon Clover, StellaVanity, Hellsinker, any of the x.x games (Blue Wish/Eden's series), eXceed series, Leiria Stargazer, ∀kashicverse, Cho Ren Sha, Flame Zapper Kotsujin, the Siter Skain games (RefleX, KAMUI, ALLTYNEX Second), Genetos, XOP, Ring^-27, Trouble Witches, the Twins series (TWilight INSanity, TWilight refrAIN, Alternative Sphere), Satazius, Aero Chimera, Chronoblast, and a bunch of Touhou fanshmups. There's really a lot...

>>12175586

Is there a difference between that and normal Crimzon Clover?

>>12175887
It's a PC port of the NesicaxLive version of the game. I'm not sure exactly what the differences are (aside from the new Boost mode), but you can probably find stuff about it.

>>12175885
I'd say the "canon" would be most of Cave's catalogue, Garegga, Batrider, Strikers 2 and 3, Gunbird 2, R-Type, Gradius 5, Radiant Silvergun, Ikaruga, Darius Gaiden, Raiden Fighters Jet, Batsugun... *Coughs* Galaga, Space Invaders. Crimzon Clover maybe!?

3面プラ

(　´◔　‸◔`)

>>12175516
Ikaruga and RebRank games.

/jp/ doesn't like RebRank games.

>>12179834
To be fair, RefRain was not discussed in favor of other releases at the time. I think it could be a fun game if it had more interest around here.

>>12179756
Hahaha, new highscores every day. You're just awesome, like that.

>>12179756
Keep up the good work. Ill throw a party in your honor when you hit 6 bil :3

What size is the hitbox in Ikaruga?

>>12175887
There's a few new enemy types and a few changes to the spawns. The section after stage 3 mid and the latter half of 5.2 are really different. Few invincibility frames on breaks, breaks are shorter, type z gain is nerfed. Multiplier is up to x12.8 rather than x6.4.

It's worth the 10 bucks for Boost mode alone.

A rather modest improvement, but I am still happy about it. PB is PB after all. What I noticed is that I always PB because of some random reason where I do well in one area, but badly in everything else. My PB had good stages, but bad bosses. This new PB had bad stages, but good bosses. The PB before that was just a ridiculously good stage 6 and so on. It's never because I improved a little in everything :< Consistency is hard

>>12183280
Congrats!

>>12183280
Congrats! That's almost twice as much as the previous world record! You just made history, dude! B)

>>12183589
The IN Normal WR is at 4.4B

So a cool thing just happened to me, it appears as though Impossible Spellcard has basically reset for me, I no longer have all the spellcards complete, I'm back at square one with the stage 1 tutorial and shit, no items except the starting ones, no secondaries. Has this happened to anyone else?
It appears as though I still have my save data or whatever, maybe it's just not recognizing it, I dunno. Anyone know if there's a way to fix this? I'm willing to play the whole game over again, but I'd much rather just restore my game to normal.

Been trying to No-Item all of 14.3, but....That's not going so well.
So far, No-itemed 65 out of the 75 spell cards.
The ones I can't even get the boss down to half health are:
5-2, 5-3, 6-5, 9-1, 10-3, 10-5, and 10-7.
The other three I've just been getting really unlucky with. Any tips with those scenes listed?
Also, does having the Yin-Yang orb only visibly reduce hitbox, or both visibly and physically reduce hitbox? Didn't really notice much of a difference either way in terms of physical hitbox.

>>12184600
I don't see how it wouldn't reduce the hitbox size, would be silly if it only did it visually.

>>12184621
Eh, I guess you're right.
Probably didn't notice it because I still died anyways on 10-5. (The only time I actually did use it)

>>12184524
maybe your files are corrupted due to a broken HD?
>>12184600
May be possible that it shrinks your hitbox but this reduction is so small that this item it pretty much useless, you'll die at the same spots anyway.

>>12173383

For me its the opposite, I'm a self-sabotager. When I'm anxious I start thinking "what if I don't win? How am I controlling my arms?" and then I fly directly into an easily avoidable bullet. I have to play a stage lots of times until I'm bored so I don't get anxious anymore.

>>12173098
PS2 controller.

>>12184600
>>12185693
It reduces the actual size. There's a safe spot on Yoshika's kunai spam card that only works with the orb in the sub slot.

>>12185860

This happens to me sometimes too, but I am fine and play well right before the moment I die the first time. After that, it's a downward spiral.

>>12186780
I day dream. But I do it all the time.

Dammit I have been neglecting the stg for quite a while due to gigantic backlog next month I must begin again. But what to play...

>>12189038
PCB. It's a good game.

My first stage 2 that exceeded 20.000 timeorbs. I think it's pretty good, but I missed one of the fairies in the beginning of the stage, so that wasn't as good. I would like to hope I can reach this much more or less consistently in the end, but that should be very difficult. I gotta keep on practicing, I guess.