/jp/ - Otaku Culture

They're still stuck in the chuu2 phase.

>>12111118
maybe they are just tards

My theory is due to normalfag gaining some benefit from consuming Japanese media.

My 2nd theory is butterfly effect. One careless otaku consuming stuff in public place, normalfag friend of his asking, said otaku explain some stuff, normalfag friend asking for a copy( which sadly, without even realizing copyright problem).

Otaku tend to keep it secret, but normalfag have this urge to tell the wolrd about sligthest things they found.

Normals are becoming aware that having a great amount of knowledge is "cool". And to feel like they know a lot, they act like geeks/nerds which they consider as highly intellectual.

They watched too much big bang theory.

>>12111127
You are right, and the image that you posted is pretty interesting, but I'm not talking exlusively about otakus. Altought it's applicable. I'm also wondering about the "why" of poserism.

If oldfag otaku start died some years in future, what will we be?

Are you a anti-poser otaku?
Does that make you a poser or just a annoying cunt?

>>12111160
He probably doesn't even play eroge in Japanese. What a pleb poser faggot, LOL

>>>/vg/67763920

>>12111172
normie OP trying to fetch ideas for his paper

>>12111165
What is that picture?
The guy replying seems like a typical "fcuk the haterz" idiot.

>>12111204
And >>698 sounds like a tard.

I don't think "nerdy" stuff has gotten more popular. It's just that what's seen as nerdy, or "weird" to be more precise because the word nerd has lost most of it's negative associations, has changed.

Lost of people who previously didn't care now like marvel comics and fantasy stuff. Sitting on the bus I hear super normie looking teen girls discuss their favorite character in The Hobbit. It's seen as "nerdy" but in reality it's all just twisted, because nerdy doesn't mean the same thing anymore.

Someone who's "nerdy" by old standards, interested in something seen as unusual or pathetic, are still treated the same, probably. Only they aren't called "nerds" anymore.

>>12111240
They're called "autists" now.

people have a sense of belonging.
They want to be part of a group.
>>12111165
I can't read Kanji, what is he saying?

>>12111160
I'm no otaku, poser or annoying cunt. I don't care about the otakus or posers lifes. I was wondering the why of all these behaviors.

>>12111287
I can know about 5 kanji. He wants some people to die i guess. 死

>>12111287
I know about 5 kanji. He wants some people to die, I guess. 死ね。

>>12111107
>Why do you think that nerd or geek culture is so popular nowadays?
Some really smart marketers. If you prop up video-games, for example, as something hot and trendy they will buy not only your pro-gamer shit but video games as well. The average AAA game is worth ~$60, and consoles are about $300. Imagine all the money you are getting from tricking idiots into buying your consoles and games. The only big drawback at this tactic of appealing to a wide majority, is that you have not much brand loyalty or customer retention.

Kind of like how when Nintendo went all casual catering a few years back with the Nintendo Wii. Now look at them today. Very few people who ONLY bought the Wii got WiiU or 3DS, let alone any other gaming systems. They dropped that hobby for something else that was new and popular, or it may have merely been a brief diversion for them. Either way, it is only good for making a quick buck and not a very reliable way to make stable income.


>Other is the way of showing to the society how different you are, by using conformist or bizarre clothes, being obssessed with "weird", "lame" or "useless" things and being anti-social.
It's just human nature to want to be special and unique. It makes one feel better than others if you are different. It's really funny because at the same time we sometimes want to fit in and belong to a larger group.

I'm more interested in where the need to analyze fucking everything comes from.

Just ignore the normies and carry on with what you're doing.

>>12111127
y'know, that chart raises an interesting point.

only about three of those consumer types would be able to regularly afford to import merch if fansubbing were to die..

so if fansubbing died, the companies still wouldnt get money, but they would be limiting the information consumed to only people with money.

Wanting a world where only the powerful and weathy have access to world culture and foreign media while the common people live in the dark?

sounds.. familiar

>>12113572
When you are a NEET and social outcast you have a lot of time to think about why things are the way they are.

Of course these conclusions will always be clouded by delusions.

I support it only if it means that loli love becomes mainstream too.

Basically everyone just wants to disguise the fact that, deep down, they're really just not that interesting.

We live in a society where being boring is an unforgivable sin. So if you're a boring person like me and basically everyone else, you need some sort of quirky bullshit gimmick to get anywhere.

>>12113572

I wish I could, it is my greatest curse. The normies cannot be ignored, they are a blight on my quaint isolated work-free living space.

>>12114021
Or more like you want to be one of them. Stop hating yourself and ignore them, life becomes a bit better.

>>12113493

I got a Wii and I can safely say I'm done with Nintendo. I've been buying their consoles since the SNES, but I'm just going to stick to PC from now on. I'm not interested in controller gimmicks.

>>12111107

it all started with CoD4, after playing video games wasn't a social stigma anymore it was all downhill from there.

These past few years on the internet have been loads of fuckawesome if you were one of the nerds. Lately, we've been reclaiming the word "nerd", a pejorative that used to mean that you invested a lot of time into nerdy stuff, turning it into a derogative term towards people who say problematic things on the internet. It's just like how other minority groups have reclaimed words for their own use, like 'nigga' and 'fag' turning them into words of empowerment.

So basically in 2014 if you have an entire last.fm tracklist of video game composers and chiptune winnage like she, that's not a nerd.

>>12111266
What are actual autistic people called?

>>12114384
Degenerates?

Since when was this acceptable? Do hipster take the worst parts of each subculture, think that it's actually cool, and then make it their own?

>>12114418
hentai isn't worst

>>12114397
Wow, that's rude, dude. I'm feeling sorry for people who are autistic, I mean, the real autists, not /jp/ autists

It's how sub/counter culture has always been subsumed. Listen to Punks on Postcards by Culture Shock for a full and historic account of this phenomenon.

>>12111128
I'm always terrified of talking about stuff I like because I feel like I don't have enough knowledge and probably sound like some weaboo poser. Then again I get really hyped about stuff so it's both near impossible to hide it and pretty easy to sound like I'm way more nerdy than I am. Another reason to just shut up and avoid people.

I wonder if more people feel like that.

It a weird time to be into anything considered "nerdy" these days. Elitism has always been a hallmark of "nerdy" interests, but that's an aspect never embraced by the general population getting into these things. Things like Miku and Babymetal that are getting a bit of mainstream exposure are somewhat more acceptable now, and it's cool in some normal circles to listen to it. If you have any additional knowledge or interest beyond the surface though, it's considered bad. It's a weird position to be in where you are really following trends before trendsetters get a hold of it, but you aren't accepted if you like it before it's cool or have a deeper knowledge about it even after it's in vogue.

As for why nerd culture is cool these days, it's partially counterculture but also largely just what has the most marketing behind it; that's all it takes to move a crowd to enjoy something.

No one actually likes nerds or otaku. They like the idea or concept of nerds/otaku.

Someone attractive who enjoys "weird" things like anime,comic books and video games but not too weird. Just weird enough to be LOL SO QUIRKY AND UNIQUE XD. Like people who claim to love Power Rangers but don't know it's an adaptation of a Japanese show and all they can talk about is Tommy. People who buy Thundercats shirts from Hot Topic and walk around saying "Live Long and Prosper" after seeing the Star Trek movie.

>>12114688
I'd say that's pretty accurate. I tend to get really immersed in things, and while I wish I could have in-depth discussions about things with people, If I try to go past the superficial/surface of a topic, they tend to lose interest or change the subject. It's frustrating - It's like being teased over and over. People just don't like to sink their teeth into things the same way I do, I guess.

I'm the same with games. A lot of people hate playing them with me, not because I'm rude, but because I try to understand everything and how it happens. So they end up feeling insecure, or like they're not good enough to keep up with me.

Shit fucking sucks.

>>12114418
lmao

are you new into harajuku fashion or something?

harajuku fashion is jp swag, jp hypebeast/, and they're more jp than you'll ever be

No idea what the heck "social theory" crap you just said, OP, but you can always safely just ignore dumb kids being dumb kids, and ignore their specific idiosyncrasies.

Always.

>>12114688
>I'm always terrified of talking about stuff I like because I feel like I don't have enough knowledge and probably sound like some weaboo poser.
I have the same and the opposite problem, I don't want to talk to someone and completely weird them out because I know too much about the topic or do the poser thing if it turns out they know more than me.

Not go overboard on the topic but there was a time when I was getting rid of some old anime/manga at a used book store and the person taking them started talking to me about anime. We were talking about Ghibli movies and I mentioned The Cat Returns and they were trying to correct me by saying it wasn't a Ghibli. I told them it wasn't directed by Miyazaki but it was produced by Ghibli and they just kept trying to tell me that it wasn't a movie from their studio. It would've been really lame to keep debating on it so I stopped but it was kind of annoying to appear like the person who doesn't know anything in the argument when it's the other who has no clue about what they're saying.

>>12111107
>Why do you think that nerd or geek culture is so popular nowadays? Why hipsters and preppies try to look like nerds, geeks, gamers, otakus, etc.?
Densha Otoko

It is the 'caricature' issue that poisons any subculture or even music genre that reaches mainstream attention of some kind.

Surfers ->
Stereotype that all surfers smoke pot and have dreadlocks ->
Surfers/Surfing get popularized along with the stereotype ->
New wannabe surfer kids smoke pot and get dreads so they can be a 'Surfer' too ->
Original subculture of actually surfing is lost in a cloud of posers and false perceptions and seems to come second to image.

Sadly it happens to many subcultures, the niwaka-ota have this idea that being an otaku is all about buying figures, liking cute anime girls and following the 'moe' "trend". Had the popularity come 10 years earlier they would probably be making garage kit figures and refusing to watch anything that isn't sci-fi.

It's true that finding things 'moe' and cute girls have always been a staple food of the otaku diet, but now that everyone wants to live up to that image, it makes up a bigger portion the anime market in an attempt to make lots of money as quickly as possible. If the 80s were shitty toy commercials, 00s are shitty pvc commercials.

The ironic part is that many of these kids will openly admit to being a lolicon, will blame all their problems on the fact that they are 'otaku' yet are grossed out by the sight of the obese, sweating, 30-something kimoi-otaku who are the real deal.

To summarize extremely briefly 'Otaku' culture in Japan has been going through a very similar thing to 'Nerd' culture in the west. But in true Japanese fashion this comes with a heavy dose of consumerism and extremely anal micromanagement.

>>12115795
>people proudly proclaiming to be lolicon
I never got this, same with weebs being proud f being perverts.

Everybody's talking about the new Godzilla movie and it kind of annoys me that before the heavy advertisement and property marketing, nobody even cared about my daikaiju toys/kits and made fun of me for liking Godzilla, Ultraman, and other Eiji Tsuburaya. Now it's "interesting," and "fucking awesome," and I'm just a bucket of information for these people.

I never understood the aggression towards bandwagon hopping until now. Still gonna watch the new one though.

>>12114418
I have some /fa/ggot friends and they think that's hip and have talked about getting one. Neither watch anime much and the most japanese things they care about are SnK and FF

>>12115826
Godzilla is commercialized as hell in America and has been for a while. Godzilla 2000, and that Jean Reno movie were just as much blockbuster action flicks as the new one

>>12115863
I thought both of those were really unpopular.
>>12115814
Yeah, you don't get others saying things like "Oh man, I'm such an inflationist".

>>12115863
The release of Godzilla 2000 was a box office failure in the West, me and one other guy were literally the only two people in the theater I went to.

Also I wouldn't say the commercialism is all that great when it's 2014 and we still don't have a subtitled release of King Kong VS. Godzilla (thanks Universal), not that most people seem to care...

>>12115868
If you take inflation into account, Godzilla 1998 was a financial success, thanks to the heavy advertising with food chains and such. Toy sales were great, hopping on Jurassic Park's prime with that redesign pulled in so many kids from the dinosaur era. Godzilla 2000 in comparison bombed at the box office but had mixed-to favorable reception with critics, the people that did take the time to review it thought it was "fun."

A terribly controversial remake, Japanese Godzilla death (in a film that was never commercially released in the West), and Japanese Godzilla film released theatrically since 1985, the late '90s was a crazy time to be a G-fan.

>>12114683
>It's how sub/counter culture has always been subsumed.
This. It's subcultural appropriation. Corporations and businesses do it for money and individuals do it to boost social capital. Being into nerdy things still gives the impression of "uniqueness." When otaku culture no longer works they'll move onto something else as they've always done.

It's really awful.

>>12115906
So how long until it stops? I already notice the guys detailed here >>12115795 are dying down.

>>12115948
As soon as the money stops.

>>12115948

>>12115963
Thanks /v/

>>12115963
come on, nobody thinks buying halo is gonna give you pussy

>>12116237
No body thought Star Trek would get you pussy either, but William Shatner says that tons of people have told him that they met at those stupid cons and got married.

>>12116237
Then why do they advertise their products with attractive women?

>>12116299
Shatner gets money out of that shit, I wouldn't believe him. But yeah, since they're socializing and have a common interest it shouldn't be hard finding a mate at those cons.
But that /v/ comic is completelly surreal, the hardcore nerd is aware that playing videogames are not gonna make him cool. To put it simply, hipsters use it as an accessory, they don't dig deep. Nerds/Otaku on the other hand have a full body armor.

>>12116343
>the hardcore nerd is aware that playing videogames are not gonna make him cool.
Forget that he's a neckbear, the fat dude isn't supposed to be a "hardcore nerd" like /v/(at the time the comic was made) or /jp/.

>>12111287
>>12112091
Well, I know that the first line reads something to the effect of "Real-lifers should die." I can't read the second line. Then he says "[They should] seriously die!!!!"

I should get back into studying Japanese.

>>12116448
>Real-lifers
Normalfags, dude.

>>12115352

This is how I feel with everything I really like. If I'm interested in something, I go balls-deep.

In the end, I pretend to not like anything... unless I'm on /jp/!

>>12116758
You don't know what that word means

>>12116875
Seeing other people post like this makes me wonder sometimes, about how many people think the same and act the same, and I've never known, because I keep things to myself as well.

>>12114317

I actually had a revelation about this the other day. Of the few genuinely nerdy people I'm around every day, and the ones I talk to on the internet, we call each-other nerds all the time in the same vein that black guys call each-other nigger. I never see hipster poser types use it but they sure love their fucking triforce tattoos and Nintendo.

Crazy shit.

>>12115352

I know exactly how you feel. I find it frustrating that people don't or won't give 110% to the things they enjoy.

Finding people who are passionate is hard, let along passionate about things relative to your interests too. People seem to just like being mediocre.

>>12117122
No, the key way of going about it is to act "cool" while you describe your hobbies and not go off like a typical nerd who's about to lose his spaghetti. Don't be too forward and accommodating rather find a way to segue your conversations past the mundane and you've got them hooked. Who knows you may even converted that person.

>>12113793
That will NEVER happen. The social justice otaku and parenting otaku would kill that immediately.

>>12117130

I actually don't come off aggressive at all. If I implied that I didn't mean to.

What I'm trying to say, and what I notice in a lot of people, is when I am having a conversation about my or their hobbies the level of dedication are just on two completely different levels. People just don't put their heart and soul into their hobbies like more true geek/nerd/ota types do. Although this doesn't only apply to those subcultures, however it seems like the vast majority of people just don't have a passion for anything at all. Even if it's stuff like cars or electronics or music it's so rewarding and interesting to hear people talk about something that they love so much that they just get excited being able to talk about it. Those are the personalities that form in "true" nerd or ota level people, not some shitty stereotypes like extreme introversion or bad hygiene.

It's not about spaghetti.

>>12117102
>we call each-other nerds all the time in the same vein that black guys call each-other nigger
"nigga" anon, "nigga." And yeah, that's the deal with "otaku," but I don't think they actually use that anymore.

>>12117172
Nowadays, "otaku" went back to becoming a derogatory term among Western fandom. For example, "that show only appeals to neckbeard otaku etc. etc."

Does it bother people that this so-called discussion revolves around stuff on the level of some 12-year-olds' self-inflicted first-world problems?

Wrap it up, folks. Nobody in the adult world is exactly a "poseur" or whatever. Unless they're flamboyantly gay or something.

>>12117130
>No, the key way of going about it is to act "cool" while you describe your hobbies and not go off like a typical nerd who's about to lose his spaghetti.
>act "cool"
I hate that shit. That's typical hipster shit for real, and people who are doing the same thing don't give a fuck about the details. It's like people who talk about how much they "love" DBZ or Sailor Moon when all they've done is catch a few episodes on CN back in the day.

I like seeing people abandon their sensibility to really dig into something.

>>12117167
>the level of dedication are just on two completely different levels.
I'm the same exact way. I can still have a decent conversation, but I need to accommodate them and keep things fairly shallow. Really though, most people don't really get into things it seems. It's clear as day when you try to talk to them about it.

>>12117177
>derogatory term among Western fandom
Western fandom shouldn't even be using that term cause they don't know shit about what it implies. Like when we get some otaku serial killers here and random acts of violence blamed on otaku shit, then, I might consider it, but even that's a stretch cause the cultures are so far apart.

Still, it's good to see it turning negative again. I was getting really, really frustrated with people 1) self-labeling, 2) being unduly proud about it, and 3) not knowing shit about otaku media.

The truest guys I've ever seen were kimo and never talked about being "otaku", they were too busy going on and on about their boner for a seiyuu and all the games she's been in. That's that real shit.

>>12111287
Why do people say shit like "I can't read Kanji", implying that they have this mystical knowledge of japanese, but somehow can't read it.

Why do normies have to constantly lie about their amount of knowledge, life, experiences, etc.? It's so annoying.

>>12117200
>Why do normies have to constantly lie about their amount of knowledge, life, experiences, etc.?

They don't want to sound uneducated which is ironic because anyone with an ounce of common sense and awareness usually can see through their ruse.

>>12117188

>I like seeing people abandon their sensibility to really dig into something.

Agreed

> but I need to accommodate them and keep things fairly shallow

I have a hard time articulating this. I understand it but for at least the last two years I've noticed it becoming harder and harder to feign interest or control my pedantry.

>>12117200
>Why do normies have to constantly lie about their amount of knowledge, life, experiences, etc.? It's so annoying.
YO, SERIOUSLY. It's so fucking transparent if you actually know anything about the subject matter. The only reason they can get away with this, and why it might be conditioned or some shit is because all normals are on that level of ignorance. It's particularly entertaining (infuriating) when multiple normies get together for a pretentious shitfest.

>>12117205
>I understand it but for at least the last two years I've noticed it becoming harder and harder to feign interest or control my pedantry.
Idk. Learn to be curious, I guess. I don't mind listening to people talk if they aren't offensively stupid, as long as what they say is substantial. The problem is that otaku hobbies are niche and finding people really into that shit? They don't go outside, I don't think.

If you have trouble, try to find some common ground. Usually how you felt when you watched/read something is a good start cause most people will feel the same way. Then go into why. You might be surprised with some people. Most people, of course, are boring as all hell. Just avoid them.

I used to live in Williamsburg, Brooklyn (NYC) and now live in Park Slope. To field your question, they see it more as a way to "standout" from otherwise bland neighborhoods.

This is common logic - anything that isn't popular with the majority of the people will be found by hipsters and exploited as much as possible. There is a Youtube ad that highlights "the geek culture" of some Youtube superstar who cooks cakes and stuff featuring Super Mario Bros characters and other crap.

When people think of anime they think of Dragonball Z or Sailor Moon. If you asked them what they thought of Umineko for example they would say "I saw the anime!" and never bring up the VN.

>>12117220
>Youtube ad
I never see these. Anyway, Youtube celebrities seem to be unusually childish, at least compared with most folks.

>>12117238
>Youtube celebrities
Worst garbage. They get paid ridiculous amounts of money for contributing shitty, annoying videos that pander to the most idiotic of viewers. Youtube died the minute it get fucked in advertising and people trying to get paid.

>>12117247
It's easy money for little work. Honestly, I'd swallow my pride and do it if I actually have something interesting to contribute, but I don't. I'm a boring person anyways.

Only reason I found out about Youtube in 2005 was because of all the terribly compressed TV shows and movies being uploaded.

>>12116343
I mean getting married to someone you meet a convention and 'getting pussy' are two different things. You've got a place for older people with common interests and it's natural they'll get married. It's just a misconception that marrying the first girl who fucks you is somehow better than being a loser virgin.

>>12117184
>12-year-olds' self-inflicted first-world problems
I don't think I've ever seen someone try so hard to diminish something. Don't you have some 50-year-old warlord inflicted third world problems to go deal with, anon?

>>12117265
Those people are boring too. They just fucking keep up with it and go viral by acting like idiots. The only thing those animals have that you don't is a lack of self awareness that lets them produce garbage without wanting to kill themselves.

I know there's not much you can do about it, but it kinda bums me too.

All of these people that claim to be "otaku" have never even touched a VN, don't know niconico, don't know 2ch, don't know shit about sakuga, don't know any VAs, don't know any big events in the industry, never heard of comiket.

I mean what the fuck, this is all basic shit. I don't even mean you need to be deeply knowledgeable, but these fuckers have never heard of any of these.

I don't really care about people pretending to be otakus, but it really pisses me off when people claim they like touhou when they barely know anything about canon.
Like that one Cirno.tv faggot on twitch.
Seriously, fuck people who abuse touhous as mascot.

I guess I'm not a otaku myself despite brwosing /jp/ for years.
I'm just here for touhou and only ever read 1 VN

I agree, but I'd like to point out that some people don't care about seiyuu, and that some people have trouble learning kanji. I know hiragana, katakana, a lot of words, and a decent amount of grammar, but I probably only know 2 or 3 kanji enough to write, and can recognize about 20. Like my other language studies, I learned enough to get by with a dictionary. I only learned them to be able to browse the foreign internet, anyway. Being able to play Japanese phone games and Touhou doujin games is secondary.

I'm glad I know at least one person offline I've converted so that we can talk about VNs together, torrent current anime and discuss them, and netplay Detonate on Sound and other online doujin games.

Idt: Everyone's a poser but me.
Give me attention!

>>12117977
You're trying way too hard.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1224062

This is nearly 7 years ago. Seven. Years.

I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight. What the fuck. No wonder the niconico I knew and loved is dead, its been seven years.

>>12117918
>I'm glad I know at least one person offline I've converted so that we can talk about VNs together
Fuck, I wish I knew some otaku to talk about shit like this. The only person I've seen so far in town that actually recognizes Touhou is a fucking secondary, and those that at least know and watch anime aren't even on my level.

Any older timers want to e-hang out? I've been around since about 2005 on pre-split /a/.

Just talking about VNs, internet culture, otaku culture, anime/manga/LNs, /jp/, or just Japan/General is ok too

Maybe we can exchange contact info and stuff. Even better if you know Japanese, since I like to link Japanese stuff every now and then and it helps if I don't' have to translate or try to explain everything.

>>12121144
Shit, wrong field. I guess it's ok, it's a throwaway account anyway.

As long as me and my TouBros will never be forced to change then I don't care what becomes popular!!!

>>12121178
When Kancolle gets so popular that there's less Touhou doujin, it's a problem.

http://youtu.be/H7A5OgfP4NA

>>12121237
You should just keep following your favorite circles and learn to enjoy the ride.

I wonder where everyone will go once /jp/ turns into another /a/ entirely.

>>12121322
They adopted pseudonyms and formed their own little communities.

>>12121102
And all the memories come rushing back.

there havent been any real geeks since the 70s
just give it up bro you aint foolin anyone you hear

love you
loud mouth

>>12121144
I'm gonna hit you up with an email at that address, okay?

Aside from Japanese things, I'm knowledgeable in a lot of things. History, Military equipment, luxury watches, economics, politics, fashion... I like to dabble in things that are easy to learn about, but somewhat uncommon. I don't really talk about any of those things with actual people, because none of them are really that interesting, and I'm not an expert in any of these things. I always tend to be the guy who hints that he knows a lot, but never actually does.

I don't really classify myself as anything. I don't know why normals are so eager to organize themselves into boxes, especially ones they don't belong in. I think the idea of obsession and borderline autism seems romantic to people who don't really have a passion to follow.

Some people live their lives doing things to make themselves happy, and some people acquire things to achieve the same goal, whether than be knowledge, possessions, or opinions. subhumans like most of the posters on anonymous imageboards tend to acquire knowledge and superficial experiences to achieve happiness.

>>12121690
I sent one just now, too.

>>12121144
Replied (I'm the guy living in Japan)

>>12121322
Most people get jobs and start being too busy to worry about things like /jp/ turning into /a/.

Anyone want to talk to a still anime/manga/game-pursuing psuedonormal who's living in Japan pretty permanently?

I don't know a whole lot about /jp/ stuff though.

>>12117977
trill recognize trill nigga.

>>12121690
>>12121709
Sorry anons, I was out for a bit and had dinner.

I just sent an email back.

>>12117721
But it is better. Your genes mostly just want you to produce offspring, they don't care how macho you were in the process.

>>12115876
How good's the new one my man?