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>>12108735
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.

>>12108757
Oh god, I remember when I first read that.

>>12108735
why would someone who wants to buy a sword buy a gun?

Because those guns are shit. SHIIIIIIIIT

>>12108772
they could get both?

>>12108779
guns :
- expensive to maintain
- time consuming to maintain
- costs money to shoots bullets
- enable crimes
- must wear head gear
- must go to range
- threatening to child in house
- higher chance of suicide
- many accident

sword
+ no cost to maintain it
+ sit on wall easily
+ no cost to practice
+ use at home
+ cannot perform crime robbery
+ no gear
+ safe to child can not raise it
+ hard to suicide
+ no much accident

>>12108793
I don't have enough time to point out those fallacies without being told to go to /k/

>>12108809
>being told to go to /k/
You will most likely be told to go kill yourself for taking that post seriously.

>>12108779
You call that a sword gun?

This is a sword gun

>>12108834
Wrong, this is.

is this the /k/rossboarder thread?

post em

>>12108735
Most swords people buy are ceremonial and can't actually be used for combat. Gun owners, on the other hand, buy real guns because gun owners are insane.

>>12108735
Aren't WWII-era Japanese firearms kind of shitty?

>>12108735
Aren't WWII-era Japanese firearms kind of shitty? In any case, people find pre-modern Japan romantic. Samurai and all that. Nobody finds Imperial Japan romantic. Nobody. Except ZUN maybe, and then only the bit immediately after the Meiji Restoration.

>>12108883
If I were to buy a sword, I'd like it to be the kind that can actually cut things. It seems somehow undignified for a sword to be blunt.

>>12108834
That officer must've been one pretty fucking rad dude.

>>12108893
If I wanted to cut something I would pull out a box cutter since that's safer and more practical than trying to use a sword. Besides, do you really want to constantly sharpen it? It's enough work just to keep dust off.

can any weapon otaku identify patch's rifle?

>>12108887
the nambu is terrible and unsafe to even use. their lmgs were pretty bad too if I recall but the arisaka rifle is praised because of how overbuilt it is. apparently it can withstand cartridges with much higher pressures than originally designed for and some people rechamber them to fire bigger rounds with no modification to the action.

>>12108912
You wouldn't have to constantly sharpen something that hangs on a wall, a metal edge is not like freaking milk or something that will expire

>>12108923
Blades dull over time even if you don't use them. It's because of rust or something, I don't know the specifics.

>>12108929
there might be a tiny bit of truth in that but it sounds so insignificant as to not matter. A bit of oil on the metal should be used for long term storage as it would prevent rust on the whole thing, not just edge.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/505523-Do-unused-knives-get-dull

A sword doesnt need to have a razor edge in first place to be effective, thats just weeaboo wank off fantasy. I can't imagine why someone would buy a wallhanger and think they need to follow an intensive maintenance schedule of pulling it off the display and rigorously sharpening it every 72 hours.

Ah, I see. I wasn't aware that the Arisaka was considered a well-built weapon.

>>12108912
Don't get me wrong, if I wanted to cut something I'd pull out a box cutter too. It just seems...disrespectful, somehow. Unless you plan to use it as a theater prop, there's something uncomfortably false about it to me. That's why I'm okay with gun owners purchasing real weapons. A collector wants the genuine article, don't they? Not a hollow shell.

Then again, a lot of gun owners seem to buy real guns with the intention of using them on people one day. That's an attitude I can't get behind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPBcFxcsyo

Very related.

>>12108946
>Then again, a lot of gun owners seem to buy real guns with the intention of using them on people one day. That's an attitude I can't get behind.

Just like everyone who watches cute girl anime is a future child rapist?

Normally I wouldn't respond but I don't think you're trolling. A lot of gun owners? The majority of people who buy them are hunters or other hobbyists. The ones who carry for defense do so with the hope of never having to use it in the first place. Yes there are a few crazies but they are the 0.01% and its absurd to group everyone together and it doesn't apply just to guns, those knife nuts and karate kids are just as susceptible. This is a very interesting article I suggest you read.

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/violence_geeks.htm

>>12108969
shh they're just mad because if Americans weren't willing to violently defend themselves then Japan would of invaded and they could finally live in glorious Nippon.

>>12108969
My apologies. I didn't mean to imply I'm opposed to the idea of self-defense, or that the majority of gun owners are dangerous. I do think of marksmanship as a martial art and innocent for that reason.

Let me try and articulate the source of my discomfort more clearly... I think it's that a surprising amount of people in America view carrying as a political act. Firearm ownership appears to be linked in with a certain political identity. While I know from experience (I have a very vocal friend who's lectured me for hours about the subject) that this is by no means a hard and fast rule, it's still something I don't really like.

Another thing: because firearms are indeed weapons, it is difficult if not impossible to separate fetishization of the act of righteous weapon use from fetishization of the item itself. This is the source of my conflicting feelings about them. I'm perfectly happy to indulge in the latter but I become uneasy about the flip side, the idealization of the act of striking down the evildoer.

Again, I didn't mean to imply gun owners as a whole are dangerous or keen on killing.

>>12108982
I get your point. and yes the fat people who open carry at the coffee place bug me too.

Arisaka Type 38 was one of the best built bolt action rifles of all time, main reason people don't care about it is that most WW2 weapons don't look very intimidating when compared stuff that came after it. Not only that but there isn't a whole lot Japanese about it, being based on Mauser designs doesn't help either. i'd love to own a Type 99 / Type 38 but I don't have freedoms.

>>12108893
>Nobody finds Imperial Japan romantic
Ye it sucks. Just think all these could still be Japanese if they had only fought with the allies. Letting them have these area's would of been preferable to commies getting them.

Arisakas are actually really great rifles, as long as they're not sloppily-built late-war guns that could be dangerous to fire. Be careful to inspect the gun before buying it and make sure the production quality is up to par. The problem with the Arisaka rifles is that it's hard to find ammunition, so if you have the money and plan on shooting it a lot you should probably invest in reloading equipment.

As strange as it sounds, I think they may actually be different types of weapon.

>>12108923
ar-15

maybe a galil

probably a galil

>>12109319
Oh boy I hope these thread turns into a "Hirohito did nothing".

>>12109400
>bringing civilization to people
>doing something wrong

>>12109421
You forgot the most important part though
>outscoring Hitler
may the Shōwa period last till eternity.

>>12108923

Howa Type 89

>>12109370

Are you blind?

>>12109442
at least I didn't say ak-47

>>12109442
No it's high capacity assaulting rifle with military style clipazines and a dangerous shoulder thing that goes up.

>>12109474

Thanks for the /k/ meme man, appreciate it.

>>12109472

You still have much to learn.

>>12108735
>So I asked this question on /k/
It belongs on /k/. And half of you belong on /pol/. Idiots mistakenly believing themselves to be in good company etc.

>>12108893
I regret not buying a Japanese Enfield 1853 breechloader conversion when I had the chance.

>>12109485
>Otaku Culture

so ehy can't we be Otaku about Japanese tools?

>>12109788
You can be otaku about anything but that doesn't mean everything goes in /jp/.

>>12109791
Well we can't discuss it on /k/ because all the replies will just be
>lol nip shit
and
>buy a nugget

if we can discuss Big O and Cowboy Bebop on /co/ then we discuss this on here.

>>12109798
Three years ago when I was still browsing /k/ the Arisaka was a fairly well-respected rifle; I don't know if anything's changed since then.

>>12109798
/k/'s lack of quality isn't /jp/'s problem. Go back to your own board

>>12109485
Fucking this
I report your thread faggot
Enjoy your ban

>>12108969

That is a fairly shitty article. It makes some tremendous assumptions about 'geeks', and seems wrapped up in the idea that there is only one correct way to live. There are some good points about the 'violence geeks', but otherwise its essentially just a wordy way of claiming how terrible that new fangled rock & roll music is, or how D&D turns people into Satanists.

>>12109400
The Japanese were liberating oppressed peoples, as for the war crimes, they pale in comparison to the work of ameriKKKa.

>>12108893
>Nobody finds Imperial Japan romantic. Nobody.
You're wrong. I'm obsessed with Imperial Japan, I'd do anything to experience first-hand life in that period. The period in which the rising sun truly shone. I find the imperial self-destructive, fanatic ultranationalism alluring. I realize it wasn't a healthy society, but for some reason I feel attracted to it. I blame Mishima.

>>12111923
you have mental problems

>>12113745
This person disagrees with me.
He must have mental problems!

>>12110900
>The Japanese were liberating oppressed peoples
Yeah, rape and murder sure is liberating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_Nanking

>>12113753
They were imprisoned in their own bodies. Japan merely set them free.

>>12109400
He literally did nothing, though. He just kind of sat around in the palace.

>>12111923
Well, okay, but at least you realize it wasn't a good place and that fetishizing it is dangerous. People find that kind of thing fascinating for the same reason there are so many Imperial Guard fans in 40K, it's natural to find it alluring.

You realize that if America became allies with Japan, we would also become allies with Germany right?

Not only that, but if Japan took over North and South Korea as well as china, and all that, the Japanese bloodline would be extremely diluted and japanese wouldnt be as qt.


Also, if it werent for the japanese losing the war and renouncing war itself that we would not have a pacifist japan, which means the japan would probably have not taken the environmental initiative it did after the 70's and would end up as dirty as china.

And due to the japanese not being pacified, you would not see a rise in comforting or cute material like anime.

>>12113810
true, true
losing the war was japan's best choice for preserving it's identity

>>12113810
>we would also become allies with Germany right?
It's not clear whether how seriously Japan would have taken its Tripartite Pact obligations if they had managed to achieve peace with the United States.

>And due to the japanese not being pacified, you would not see a rise in comforting or cute material like anime.
That's the final answer. It's a good thing the war happened because otherwise we wouldn't have anime, and it's a good thing the French colonized Vietnam because otherwise we wouldn't have Vietnamese sandwiches.

>>12113848
>otherwise we wouldn't have Vietnamese sandwiches.

... We do?

>>12108735
>Americans
>Howa
there's a weapons export ban on Japan.
The only Howa you can get is an airshit replica.
>>12108923
is that a FAMAS?

>>12109791
I think Airshit would be more appropriate on /jp/.
It was developed in Japan and it's used by pretty much all fire arms otaku due to Japan's anal fun laws.

>>12114477

>>12108735
If you want to buy a quality katana, you buy it from Hanwei, a Japanese-trained Chinese sword smith. Nothing good comes from the land of the rising shit these days. Except maybe the latest Touhous. :3

>>12108735
I post here and if I had my way I'd be fondling a CMP Garand right now, not a shitty sword.

>>12114508
The blade is made from lead folded over ten thousand times.

>>12114508
>Made in China
Because China is well known for it's quality products

>>12114498
Cute!

>>12108923
Its a Howa 64

>>12109442
Close but no cigar. It has a wooden stock, and a straight magazine. The front sight and the muzzle device match the 64 as well

I don't like weapons so I don't understand any of that shit, OP
People seem so eager to compensate for their tiny dicks

>>12108793
I really hope this is pasta, because if it's not, you have no idea what you're talking about, whatsoever.

>>12116639

Ah, didn't see the wooden stock.
You're right.

>>12116639
That's pretty impressive. Not a very well-known weapon.

>>12116837
Have you been on /jp/ long?

>>12116654

Yeah. I don't see much point in owning weapons. I've thought it about, but I don't live in a bad neighborhood and don't think the apocalypse will happen anytime soon, so I don't see any real need.

>>12108850
>doesn't shoot. therefore, not a gun

>>12116877
hu quot

>>12116654
Are you trying to make people think your dick isn't small by pretending not to like things?

>>12113753
Are you somehow trying to say that AmeriKKKa, The Great Satan, didn't have any accidents, or that they didn't make The Nanhoax seem like a walk in the park?

>>12108982
The specifically violent and republican - with a lowercase r, mind you - birth of the United States, coupled with the enshrined right to bear arms either collectively or individually, depending upon your interpretation, in our Bill of Rights, has rendered firearm ownership at least partially political, yes. I'd argue that it's less about striking down the evildoer or evildoers than what those who subscribe to this belief view as a corrupt mode of governance. Here, the gun is a symbol of independence from authority, even one with massively superior firepower, even as they acknowledge that they are still part of the system by which the authority governs and derives its right to rule. After all, gun nuts have a massive voter turnout, and seem more likely to try to get their way through electioneering than intimidation or violence.

The militaria I want to own is illegal so I have to settle for plamo.

>>12114344
And the French did make Vietnam a colony, so...

>>12118530
>gun nuts have a massive voter turnout, and seem more likely to try to get their way through electioneering than intimidation or violence
Gun issues by themselves. But on other issues, Americans have been very willing to use violence and terrorism to achieve domestic and foreign political goals.

>>12108735
It makes me sad to rarely see Arisaka rifles for sale, much less intact mum ones. I'd pick one up for sure.

Sadly the only japanese made thing I have is a Sightron scope.

I do have a katana that is chinese made, it's not bad, pic related.

>>12118685
Does it cut?

If i had guns, I would just use them to shoot targets for fun, or in a very rare case, to get rid of a home intruder. I don't understand why people think I want to be some huge mass murderer just for buying an assault rifle.

>>12118530
That's the other half of it, the sense of being part of the founding mythology of the USA. That fierce individualism is in some ways to be respected, but I've always held a strong belief in the system that makes it hard to get along with that sort of thing. That's what comes of living in Canada, I suppose.

>>12118631
That's the government, not the average joe.

>>12118631
>terrorism
>probably another europoor trying to rationalize-

-ya know what, fuck yer bait, spit it out just in time

>>12119013
>That's what comes of living in Canada, I suppose.

We love guns in Canada too.

>>12119451
What are the two guns that aren't the Skorpion? The bottom one looks familiar, and the left one looks like some AK variant.

>>12119482

vz-58 (sort of looks like an AK)

The other is a FAMAE SAF-200. It is my little fishgun.

>>12118944
It's sharp enough for tamaeshigiri, but it could be much sharper. Right now it's barely enough to cut a falling sheet of paper with a good swing, so it's a little dull.

>>12119451
Hey there hasguns Canadabro. I should go take a picture of Youmu with my SBR Vz58s too.

>>12119451
I mean the liberalism. I love guns too, I just don't have any.

Katanas are overrated, all about the naginata

>>12122366
Naginata are for women, anon.

>>12122366
Naginatas are great. They're like swords but on a stick. They also got replaced by regular spears so you also get impracticality points, although not as many as with a katana.

>>12108757
>American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first

I'm pretty sure this is because most Katana wielders in WWII are officers.

>>12119033
What? It's true. Both state and non-state terrorism have deep history in the U.S.

Katanas are edgy.

>>12114470
>there's a weapons export ban on Japan.
>The only Howa you can get is an airshit replica.

there's a weapons export ban on Japan.
The only Howa you can get is an airshit replica.

>>12114470
>there's a weapons export ban on Japan.
>The only Howa you can get is an airshit replica.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=415860538#PIC

>>12118685
Shit, where im from gun shows show there is always some type of japanese rifle that was made in 1945 or before, still with the emporers crest not filled off.

One problem with old japanese ammo, it is expenive.

>>12122533
Katanas only have one edge so they don't class as edgy since they have only one edge and it doesn't even cover more than 50% of the katana. More than 50% of the blade, sure, but there's also the handle.

I don't see the appeal of japanese guns, the only I really like is probably the Nanbu revolver, the only thing I really want to get is a tanto for self defense, but still a western dagger would still kill much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IelUFboWuOA
Hino-Komuro
Weird Japanese pistol

>>12108893
No, Arisakas are fucking excellent. The only ones you want to stay away from are the ones made later in the war ("last-ditch") when the Japanese were gearing up for the supposed invasion of Japan. They ramped up production and cut corners everywhere they could.

>>12108735
Well some of use actually have formal training and practice cutting,
and its pretty much impossible to get a decent cutting blade out of japan
(something abut them being national treasures or some such)
so most Japanese martial artists use Chinese made cutting blades any how.

>>12114508
Cheness uses a really good 9260 steel and has good prices,
and ryan swords are just awesome and I think they may be related to paul chen somehow.

>>12118685
Is that a cheness tenchi?

How about a gun tonfa with a blade?

>>12108923
something about it reminds me of a AN or a sako but idk. I'm not good with identifying guns.