/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I guess whine and complain on an imageboard.

Artists are worthless. All that matters is the art.

>>12082641
Get into Kancolle as well. Which Kancolle wud u fug?

INCINERATE THE SHIPFUCKER!!!

>>12082657
Strangle this 13 year old kid who probably has nothing to be proud of in life.

I don't mind, I'm just happy that my favourite artist is still making art.
Guess it helps most of my favourite artists don't make fanart. One of them (two? as its two artists working together) had an exhibition recently! I'm very proud of them. I wish I could have gone as well.

More porn being produced is always good

Call Murasa, she's an expert on the matter.

>>12082641
I don't give a fuck because they were bandwagoning secondaries all along.

>>12082721
>you favorite Touhou artist was a filthy secondary all along
How do you deal with this?

1) Don't follow shitty artists.
2) Don't follow artists.
3) Don't care about what artists draw.

>>12082641
Who are you green texting?

>>12082641
Dunno, never had this kind of problem.

Why is your post so green?

>>12082731
Why would you not follow artists you like?

>>12082740
Good point. I don't have any artists I like.

4) Don't like artists.

>>12082754
That's sad!

I defected along with them.

Actual defectors are a minority, though, a lot of them are dual-use artists and many didn't touch Kancolle at all.

>>12082641

This. >>12082721
Why should I give any kinds of fucks about people who only draw what's popular?

>>12082756
5) Don't feel.

>>12082762
Some people draw what they like and what they like happens to be Kancolle at the present because shit taste etc

>>12082779
Or because they just like what other people like and that will get them more pageviews.

>>12082790
Based on their websites and twitters a lot of them are genuine enthusiasts anyway.

Nobody participates in doujin events for the money.

>>12082794
>Nobody participates in doujin events for the money.
>Nobody
That's the myth anyway.

By indulging in the art made by artists who have a 2hu waifu.

They never stop... well, the most loyal ones.

>>12082802
>That's the myth anyway.
Sorry, the vast majority of circles don't participate in doujin events for the money, because they're not making any.

>>12082805
>Nobody
>vast majority
As I said...

>>12082808
>As I said...
I apologized for my mistake and corrected myself.

>>12082810
No, you must kiss my feet.

My favorite artists are still drawing their Waifu

>>12082721
Did it ever occur to you that they might like the series and want to draw things based on it? That and Touhou has been popular for a while now, it's bound to get old for some of them.

>>12082839
Of the artists I'm subscribed to the two who are going the strongest have had a nonstop Alice parade going for the last five years plus some.

>>12082932
I feel happy now for some reason. Thanks, anon.

>>12082641
I'm starting to hyperventilate.

>>12083002
>alice
Now that is shit taste

This has literally never happened to me.

>>12082932
I thought people were only allowed to draw one thing for all eternity.

>>12083116
Has it happened figuratively?

>>12083118
It's more like "stop drawing what I don't like".

>>12083114
Actually, Alice is my favorite touhou. I love her hair, and her dress makes her look very comforting to the touch.

Nothing wrong with liking kancolle. Nothing wrong with not liking Touhou anymore. What's wrong is drawing what others like.

feeling good so far, kancolle has less lesbian, if there any at all

I think KanColle is more like a second iDOLM@STER than a second Touhou.

>>12083241

Love Live is the second iM@S and it has surpassed it already.

>>12083239
What?

>>12083251
I don't even understand why love live is popular. I watched the first season of the animu and everything was so generic. it was like the walmart brand brand cereal that comes in plastic bags.

>>12082652
Why would I want to get into some shitty browser game?

>>12083403
Compared to Touhou, many of the characters in Kancolle don't really have much to go on. There is no large world with stories or supplementary material to back up the setting.

Compare Mythological creatures and beings to battleships and see which comes out as more appealing. Perhaps the only interesting thing about Kancolle are the Abyssal Fleet which are not based on any given military but rather an alliance of the fallen.

>>12083430
Thing is, even if I were battleship otaku and the game (in theory) interested me, I still wouldn't want to play some gay browser game.

>tfw Touhou is nothing more than a fad

>>12083183
lol what a freakin weirdo wwww

>>12083594
*was

>>12083376
It has cute girls. Like KanColle and Touhou

>>12082675
Her imouto as well.

GOOD. it's about time you elitist pricks realize that you're not above other fandoms just because you try to be ironic about it. pretty soon you'll all switch over like the sheeple that you are.

>>12083691

You forget we are soon to enter the post-post-touhouism where it will merge with anti-comedy.

>>12083729
what am I going to fap to when we reach the dojin singularity?

>>12082641
Fap to KanColle

>>12083648
but they're so boring. idolm@ster has fun characters like takane but love live is all generic high school girls.

>>12083691
id rather die than betray parsee (i would die in both cases)

>>12083691
>fandoms

Just checked my favorite music circle, yep, still doing touhou stuff, game circle? still touhou shit.

My favorite artist never drew Touhou though, and he died the moment he started making mlp guro commissions for money, thus I doubt I'll feel worse if anyone moves to Kantai Collection

>>12084688
You like DA artist?

>>12084645
what do you call it?

>>12084692
No.

>>12084695
I'm a fan of Touhou. I couldn't care less about being part of the "fandom".

I probably wouldn't be as pissed if Kancolle as a game were actually somewhat interesting to play. Instead, it's some shitty RPG that relies almost entirely on luck due to the fact that you have ZERO control over the characters actions during battle.

The whole reason why I got into Touhou in the first place is because the original games were fun as fuck to play and the music was awesome to listen to. If Kancolle had some compelling gameplay or at least had some good music, it wouldn't be as anywhere near as painful to watch Touhou artists get into the Kancolle scene.

Instead, Kancolle is boring and uninteresting as hell on both the gameplay and music aspects. The fact that many artists are forcing themselves to produce works for it suggests that they don't have much genuine respect for its source material. Instead, they're trying to take advantage of its perceived popularity, which had been aggressively promoted by DMM/Kadokawa Games through social media channels.

The Touhou artists' insistence on switching to producing Kancolle works despite the game's lack of merit makes it pretty obvious that they never had any respect for Touhou's source material either, as well as the fact that they've been exploiting its popularity all these years.

Not to mention these guys are indirectly supporting the companies' shitty anti-consumer decision to restrict new users through a lottery instead of taking actual steps to increase server capacity. That's why it's so painful to watch Touhou artists make the switch.

>>12084722
lol dude get a life wwwww

>>12084722
Yeah but the new 2hu games are shit, so many years of the same game with barely any innovation gets old unless you're autistic.

>>12082641
Feels great.

>>12084722
You sound like someone who plays Touhou a lot. How many hours have you got in your favorite? How are your scores? Any fancy LNMNBs or something better of note?

>>12084741
>so many years of the same game with barely any innovation gets old unless you're autistic.

Yeah, like GFW, STB, DS, POFV. Obviously not counting with fighters.

>>12084722
I probably wouldn't be as pissed if Cinderella Girls as a game was actually somewhat interesting to play. Instead, it's some shitty clickfest that relies almost entirely on money due to the fact that you have ZERO control over the character results during gacha.

The whole reason why I got into iM@S in the first place is because the original games were fun as fuck to play and the music was awesome to listen to. If Cinderella Girls had some compelling gameplay or at least had some good music, it wouldn't be as anywhere near as painful to watch iM@S artists get into the Cinderella Girls scene.

Instead, Cinderella Girls is boring and uninteresting as hell on both the gameplay and music aspects. The fact that many artists are forcing themselves to produce works for it suggests that they don't have much genuine respect for its source material. Instead, they're trying to take advantage of its perceived popularity, which had been aggressively promoted by Bandai Namco through social media channels.

The iM@S artists' insistence on switching to producing Cinderella Girls works despite the game's lack of merit makes it pretty obvious that they never had any respect for iM@S's source material either, as well as the fact that they've been exploiting its popularity all these years.

Not to mention these guys are indirectly supporting the companies' shitty anti-consumer decision to restrict new users through being Japanese with a Japanese cellphone instead of taking actual steps to increase server capacity. That's why it's so painful to watch iM@S artists make the switch.

>>12084741

>>12084722 here. I can agree with you that perhaps the more recent Touhou games aren't as interesting as some of the older ones. However, if people were to casually glance at the gameplay/music for the most recent Touhou games and compare it to Kancolle, they'd probably think the Touhou games would look a lot more interesting.

That's why this increasing trend amongst Touhou artists to switch to Kancolle seems so forced and fabricated.

>>12084762
You keep using the "2hu has gameplay" argument, yet remain willfully ignorant of the fact that the majority of the 2hu fanbase, both East and West, don't play the games, while Kancolle's largest fanbase are the people that play it. In fact, I would like to know how much you play yourself so I could get a better understanding of how strongly you support your own argument. Denouncing an artists' increasing interest in Kancolle as "forced and fabricated" is also not a true statement, since it's quiet the opposite; those artists do play it and enjoy it. Check their twitters, most of them should have screenshots of some Kancolle gameplay or probably some tweets about their experiences. What you're doing is taking your personal opinion of the game and making it sound like a fact, and then using that as reasoning for why some artists drew some Kancolle fanart a couple of times. People can enjoy multiple things.

>>12082641
It's pretty hard to deal with. I guess I've been a little hard on Kancolle, it must have something of substance if it can inspire so much work.

It's not just hipsterism, though. I just feel like there's inherently more behind Touhou than Kancolle. Gensokyo is a place I want to learn more about and probably would be so even without all the doujin works. All the characters seem to have personality flaws that make them interesting, and for the most part have characterful designs that catch the eye. Kancolle on the other hand is a free-to-gamble browser game where the ships are all shallow anthropomorphizations who don't have much going for them but Shimakaze's sex appeal.

I've posted a few rants about how little I like Shimakaze and I don't really feel like doing it again. She just seems utterly soulless to me.

>>12084968

>>the majority of the 2hu fanbase, both East and West, don't play the games, while Kancolle's largest fanbase are the people that play it.

Giving vague generalizations under the guise of forming an argument isn't exactly the way to convince someone, you know.

>>12084968
Touhou games are all available in English. Are you telling me the western fanbase cares enough to learn Japanese just to play a browser game?

>>12083430
>There is no large world with stories or supplementary material to back up the setting.
There are various official works of dubious canonicity, but the "large world" that backs them up is the real world, which gets relegated to dream or alternative universe status which the characters are often more or less aware of.

Also, people go wild building their own large worlds anyway. I'm looking forward to a doujin novel that's being released next week.

>>12084722
I'll be honest, I don't give that much of a shit about the game, it's a decent way to kill time.

>The fact that many artists are forcing themselves to produce works for it suggests that they don't have much genuine respect for its source material.
What they're doing is taking the characters and running away with them because they like the characters. Thankfully, I like the characters to, so I'm going along with it.

>Kancolle on the other hand is a free-to-gamble browser game where the ships are all shallow anthropomorphizations who don't have much going for them but Shimakaze's sex appeal.
Shimakaze doesn't get as much secondary material as you think she does.

>>12085144
I learned Japanese to understand Touhou better but somewhere along the way I lost interest. It helps with the Kancolle, though.

nearly everyone I followed now only draws mostly kancolle.

the hell did it get so popular all of a sudden anyway.

>>12084968
>yet remain willfully ignorant of the fact that the majority of the 2hu fanbase, both East and West, don't play the games
source?

>>12085156
>Shimakaze doesn't get as much secondary material as you think she does.

Despite looking like a street prostitute, Shimakaze has most distinctive costume/design out of all the females in the Kancolle cast. The rest of the cast are either dressed in generic-looking schoolgirl or kimono outfits.

This greatly contrasts with the Touhou characters, most of whom feature unique and easily identifiable outfits/designs.

let's play "recognize the artist"

also, reverse lookups are cheating

I would probably be all over kanti erection if it had american and german ships too. I'm not weeb enough to play a game with only jap shit.

>>12085156
>Shimakaze doesn't get as much secondary material as you think she does.
nearly every single pic I see for her is just that.

thank you shirakaba for the one-page fap.

>>12085176

>>12085182
If you can't identify some of these artists I'm revoking your Touhou fan card.

>>12085178
She's a pornography magnet.

>>12085175
It's true, but honestly people don't care that much about uniform design. You can dress a girl in whatever clothes you like.

>>12085193

>>12085177
There are already German ships in the game. For some reason when someone mentioned American ships, the Kancolle fans tends to get really upset about it.

quick post some good pixiv artists tthat switched from touhou to kancolle

Touhou has been on the top of the mountain for what? Almost a decade?

Every story has been told...twice. Even the most insignificant of characters have been altered and stretched to fuck and back.

Artists are simply tired of Touhou and are latching on something fresh and relatively new. There is nothing wrong with that. How many times do we have to see why Cirno is an idiot? or another tale of the relationship between Kaguya and Mokou? or ANYTHING to do with anyone of the SDM?

We knew this day was going to come, and though it took a while it's finally here.

I know pretty much nothing about Kancolle other than the fact that it exists but I'm not going to be sour on Artists deciding to move on in favor of it. If that's too much to take, you could always try drawing more 2hus yourself and make the umpteenth pic of Tenshi getting slapped around by Yuuka or some shit.

>>12085196
I guess I don't have many Kancolle images by immediately identifiable artists as I thought.

Also, this only applies to you if you're a secondary dog, if you don't pay attention to that shit you're obviously excused.

>>12085208
Is this good enough for you?

>>12084722
>they never had any respect for Touhou's source material either, as well as the fact that they've been exploiting its popularity all these years.

I thought that was obvious considering some of the crap they make. Most of these people give not one fuck about what a character is or what they do. If they like them, they will use their skin for whatever they want. They will dress a Watatsuki sister up as a butler, they will make Cirno into a psychopathic murderer who keeps her victims severed heads in a jar, they will make Koakuma marry Ichirin and then hint at an affair with Kaguya, they'll use characters on a whim for whatever they please and then ignore them just as quickly, because there is nobody there to tell them that it's stupid, and even if there is, there is nobody that will listen, at least. Instead all that will happen is an outcry of retards screaming "EPICK1!!!One" at the shiny art.

Which is why I'm glad many of these fad faggots are switching to Kancolle. Most of the doujin scene over there is the equivalent of fanfiction.net and I could quite frankly give zero fucks about the "loss."

The truth of the matter is, if the art wasn't good people would treat them the same as the Walfas dumbfucks infesting Deviantart.
Picture related.

>>12085225
it takes effort to make art worse than what the KKTHA looked like originally with but i guess people will always find a way

>>12085225
>>12085227
I don't get it's appeal either. There's not a lot of long running fan-series on Touhou, and what is there is pretty bad. I write my own stories myself but due to my not wanting to be torn apart by critics that praise the likes of Justin Beiber, Twilight, or other terrible things, I refrain from releasing them into the internet.

>>12085239
*its

>>12085225
Of the two stories I read entirely on FF.net I liked both of them but that's because I dropped everything I didn't like after two paragraphs.

I like horrible fanfiction anyway. Good art is just a redeeming bonus.

>>12082641

Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this?

In the end (by which I mean a year, or two at best), Kancolle will be forgotten...and Touhou will continue onwards.

Do you think Kancolle will get a Reitaisai equivalent? No way.

In the blackest depths of your soul, /jp/, you know this to be true. So stop worrying and go back to sleep.

>>12085257
How many people and how many circles have to show up for it to be a Reitaisai?

>>12083109
Holy fuck, my brother looks just like that guy.

>>12085278
Reitaisai was made because Touhou managed to take over a third of Comiket with sheer force of numbers, it's different from whatever Kancolle-only events that people are coming up with.

>>12085307
>a third
Not even close.

>>12084722
>ZERO control
So Kancolle is like gambling with cute girls?

>>12085175
The uniforms and kimono are why I like their looks so much.

>>12085209
When you put it like that it's hard to be disappointed. Touhou is still growing though, if slowly. I think if artists took it closer to its mystical roots they'd find more minable material.

There are plenty of artists that make good things that are more or less in line with characters but are nevertheless batshit crazy: see Shako's doujin where Alice, Marisa, and Patchouli travel to the bottom of the ocean and make friends with Blackbeard.

I didn't know people are only allowed to like one thing FOREVER AND EVER.

Were you guys pissed as well when your favorite artists moved over to join the Touhou fad all those years ago, hrm?

>>12084709
I like you.

>>12085199
It's probably their instincts telling them to bomb them.

>>12084709
if you were a fan of something and didn't give a flying fuck about the other fans you wouldn't be here, as /jp/ literally exists for fans of things to talk with other fans of those things

>>12085139
>>12085173
Are you kidding me. Did you just get into Touhou like a month ago or something? This is an obvious and long standing fact that's been evident through the years. Just take note how many people actually talk about the games. Check any major website for Touhou discussion, like Futaba's 2hu boards, 東方幻想板, /jp/ and even twitter. Besides a small group of STG players, hardly anyone discusses these games beyond during their first and only few initial playthroughs during a new game's release. In fact, let's hear about how much you two yourselves play them.

>>12083109
T-There is fan art of that guy?

>>12085893
>hardly anyone discusses these games beyond during their first and only few initial playthroughs

These aren't the most complex games in the world. There isn't much to discuss after that.

>>12085893
You're a fucking idiot, it's a 2D shooter, what's there to discuss? You can't prove that most fans never played the games.

>>12086118
>There isn't much to discuss after that.
So you admit that you stop playing after clearing them.

>>12086137
The only people who have anything worth saying are superplayers. Everybody else is better off watching their replays with their mouths shut.

>>12086137
That's what most people do, it's normal (not him)

>>12086137
No, I just don't discuss the gameplay after the gameplay has already been talked about..

>>12082772
6) Be colorblind

>>12086138
>>12086142
Then how often do you touch the games after having 1cc lunatic and cleared extra.

>>12086148
I play a lot of Hisoutensoku. Every now and then I'll fire up the games, but not often.

>>12086148
For me, extra and lunatic are unbeatable.

>>12086163
I think It's the same for most people.
Still how often do you actually play. Fighting games excluded.

>>12085893
To discuss is to share replays.

Most of my favorite artists still draws 2hu.

>>12086338
>artists
>draws

>>12086367

Yes.

Anyone remember this artist?

I love their Chen stuff, but for one they started to draw Kancolle, and with their recent fetish additions I am not sure whether I want to see them draw more

>>12086595

Coming at it from the artist side of things, I'm kind of disappoint. Everything I know about KanColle I know from the KanColle wiki, and I only know that much because my best friend asked me to help out and guest in her doujin for a KanColle only event. I haven't been terribly impressed with KanColle so far (at least as compared to Touhou) because I'm a huge mythology geek and I think there are a lot more interesting stories that you can tell with the characters and setups in Touhou.

I write and draw Touhou doujinshi and fanart and sell them at cons, and they haven't been selling nearly as well as they used to. It's a shame because if I'm going to draw fanart I want it to be something I love, like Touhou or Marvel comics. I'm always torn because I know I can make money by hopping on the bandwagon and drawing Kill La Kill or whatever else is popular, but I'd rather draw what I love, and what I love isn't selling very well.

I'm still doing Touhou doujinshi (I'm currently working on one about Wakasagihime), but my partner and I haven't put out a new English Touhou doujin for a couple of years now. Part of it is because we haven't had time, and part of it is because it's hard to justify a print run if you're not even sure you'll sell enough at a given event to even make your money back. Granted, the doujin markets are very different here in the US as opposed to Japan.

So on the one hand, I understand artists and consumers wanting to move on to something new, but on the other hand it makes me a little sad that now that my art sucks less, there's still less interest in it because of the content.

TL;DR: KanColle bores me and I want Touhou to stay popular because baby gots bills to pay.

>>12087501
That's pretty cool. What works have you drawn?

>>12087501

Find a geeky suggardaddy/mommy and be set for life? As long as your not obese nor insane it's not all that difficult...

>>12087501
*disappointed

>>12087546
None that have been posted online. Fanime is my big con of the year- our circle is Potato Mill and we've released Home (under the Nos Boat name), Potato Mill, and Life.

>>12087564
Haaaaaa, I'm good. That's what my day job is for.

>>12087571
I was trying to riff off of "Son, I am disappoint."

>>12087595
You're a pretty cool Shizuha.

>>12087595
Oh, I get it. It's an epic meme.

>>12087711
You haven't seen anything yet.

>>12087727
>Hax Sign

>>12086382
he has drawn kancolle...

>>12087644
Thanks! That was one of the easier cosplays I've done, but I still like that skirt.

>>12087711
Not really. I tried.

>>12087727
Ha, that's my partner's work. I'm the other one.

le meguca XD

>>12087847
imizu is a faggot anyway

what abou warugaki, is he still drawing 2hu?

>>12087847

Not exclusively.

>>12087935

Yes.

>>12085257
Willing to bet your trip on it?