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Rep/Dem, etc. Democracy is a sham.

>>12013123
America being a prime example.

>>12013123
>>12013127
Yes, but the LDP have ruled for over 50 years and they have had pretty much essentially no fucking competition in that time, the only competition they had was the Socialist party in the 1960s and that guy got run through live on television with a fucking sword.

In the US, the Republican Dem swing is like 50% either way, usually very close, in Japan, it's literally the LDP commanding pretty much 90% of the vote.

I'm willing to bet the 18-30 demo just doesn't get out and vote. Got any voter turn out results?

>>12013135
This guy?

>>12013117

Japanese have never really cared about politics because they know their political system is completely filled with corruption and nepotism. The ones that really run the country are the huge zaibatsu (pre war period http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaibatsu)) and keiretsu (post war period http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiretsu)) controlled by a handful of powerful families.

Japanese has allways been extremely cynical and empirical with their relationships with "superior powers": being religion, politics or job they prefer to take few confronting actions and instead search for compromise or simply yield to what tradition and society tells then to yield.

Mix into it the fact that the japanese and every non western society haven't really experienced any of the big revolutions Europe has had in the XIX century and the beginning of tthe XX century and you'll understand the thin and almost non existant democratic consciousness in the japanese people.

the BIG exception are taxes. You can laugh at the Tea Party hardcore supporters in Murricah. If you touch the taxes of the japanese then you'll have the whoole country against you.

who are you people and why are you posting here?

>>12013151
some people appear to have broader interests in the world than just jacking off to touhou characters

>>12013117
The LDP lost in 2009-2012 when all the other parties created a coalition. They got assraped at the last election by Abe though.

Nips are afraid of change.
No wonder they are increasingly uncompetitive.
Even their anime is repetitive.

The PAP in Singapore has a better track record

>>12013184
Burgers are afraid of change.
No wonder they are increasingly uncompetitive.
Even their Hollywood movies are repetitive.

All media is extremely repetitive.

>>12013147
this fucking post. This situation is nearly the same as the Italy. People doesn't care about politic, corruption in every level, a bunch of powerful industry (and organized crime) rulethe country, neraly more than 50 years of the same governments (firts there was the Democrazia Cristiana, then Forza Italia).... the world is a small place.

>>12013147

Abe raised taxes though right.

>>12013204
But that's true.
That's why Europe is the technological helm of our civilization.

Asian countries tend to be pretty fucked up because they are all nationalistic as fuck and McCarthyism is strong in the region due to China, Vietnam and North Korea.

South Korea for example, both it's major parties are Neo-Liberal right wing parties that literally have the exact same policies except on some social issues.

Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand, Myanmar, South Korea, Japan etc etc all have really sketchy "democracies" even by the farcical western standards where the left are actively shit on, as in, if you are an open leftist, you can be facing jail time. Posting left wing shit online in South Korea can net you jail and hard labour.

>>12013135
> it's literally the LDP commanding pretty much 90% of the vote.
That's very literally not the case. LDP usually gets 40-50 percent of the votes to DJP's 20-30 percent.

>>>/int/
>>>/pol/

2012 election results, proportional representation block:

Liberal Democratic Party (the ones who are always in charge): 27.79
New Komeito Party (LDP allies strongly aligned with some buddhist sect): 11.90
COALITION: 39.69

Democratic Party (took power, didn't deliver, everybody was disappointed): 15.49
Restoration Party (Ishihara's lunatic party, rejects postwar constitution, wants a nuclear Japan, so on): 20.50
Your Party (DPJ but more libertarian): 8.77
Tomorrow Party (opposes nukes, TPP, liberal, now defunct): 5.72
Communist Party (now boring and social-democratic, anti-TPP, anti-US, anti-Imperial): 6.17
Social Democratic Party (anti-military, pro-union; aced the 1947 election, then repeatedly clashed internally, recently in free-fall): 2.38

other parties nobody cares about: the rest

>>>/pol/

>>12013374
Didn't the LDP get beat when a bunch of minor parties joined together?

What happened to that?

Japanese only can think of one ruler holding power forever, as a holdover from the empire days.

>>12013398
The Democratic Party didn't deliver on expectations (weaken the bureaucracy, revive the economy, remove Americans) and everybody went back to LDP.

>>12013144
I don't get it, he sees a guy running at him with a sword and he doesn't even react?

>>12013147
>Mix into it the fact that the japanese and every non western society haven't really experienced any of the big revolutions Europe has had in the XIX century and the beginning of tthe XX century and you'll understand the thin and almost non existant democratic consciousness in the japanese people.

I think this is largely the truth. Also I think that a lot of non-western countries aren't filled to the brink with bullshit "LIBERAL DEMOCRACY FREEDOM" propaganda and thus see straight through it as a system that only supports certain elite interests in the country, thus they don't really give a fuck politically.

>>12013405
Watch the actual footage and you will see that he has less than one second to react after he glances up from his papers, I'd like to see you try such a super human feat.

LDP always wins because there's nobody else that people can agree on to form government:

Party Identification, March 2014:
- Liberal Democratic: 38.7
- Democratic: 6.5
- Komeito: 2.2
- Restoration: 1.1
- Your Party: 0.8
- Communist: 3.3
- Social Democratic: 0.8
- Other: 0.6
- No Party: 40.0
- Don't Know / No Response: 6.0

http://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/yoron/political/index.html

>>12013117
>The 2nd biggest Japanese party, the Communist Party, gets roughly 7.5% of the vote.

Well I wouldn't want to risk having bolsheviks win. Better vote LDP.

>>12013405
That's slow-mo. Watch the real footage on Youtube. It's fast as fuck.

>>12013444
JCP isn't bolshevik. They're not any sort of communist at all really.

>>12013147
>Japanese have never really cared about politics because they know their political system is completely filled with corruption and nepotism.
That's actually pretty advanced, imo. I'm glad that a whole country managed to realize that and just acquiesce to the whole thing.

Despite the growing cynicism in the U.S., people still seem to believe that their vote counts for anything and that the political actors of today actually give a shit. We still play that stupid game; like they tried to make it seem 50/50 in the last election. Anyone who saw what a bitch Romney was knew that wasn't the case.

I'm waiting on the glorious communist revolution so I can finally take it easy.

>>12013483

I've allways despised this kind of attitude. Thaanks to it we are getting closer to the dystopia Orwell and Ortega y Gasset warned us about.

Jusst look at all thiss spionage mess to the people we are having today, now look back to the Watergate case. A president fell from hi seat just for spying the rival political party, and nowadays a whole NSA spionage system on the public is known and nobody gives a fuck.

The extent of Nihillism of people nowadays make me feel frightened. If I weren't so fond of games and internet I would at least be living on a comune. I've been living on one and you live a lot better than in the city if you don't need a constant upply of electricity.

Even so, with ome craftiness you can get solar energy. Yoou can't get internet unless you contract a crapp satellital internet service.

>>12013374
I always love looking at Japanese politics. Most of their parties/leaders resemble in some way the Tea party in America, but those parties/people are not written off as crazy extremist like they are in America.

>>12013502

Having extreme parties or extreme factions inside big parties a la Murricah is actually a sign of a healthy democratic system. It shows minorities are represented inside the political system and have some poweer to voice their opinions.

>>12013381

Don't you realie that a thread like this would have gone to shit since the beggining if it were on /pol/?

>>12013483
>glorious communist revolution
I want an absolute monarchy set up in America. I have no clue who would be the monarch but I will help you in your endeavors if you help me set up a monarchy.

>>12013460
They would go full commie the moment they are in power like every other commie.
Better ded than red.

People must remember that the LDP throws around pork-barrel spending like nothing else especially to retain the countryside. They're constantly engaging in dinky little make-work projects and road re-pavings to create jobs. It's the main reason why you can go into the shittiest, most run down neighbourhood in Japan and the roads will still be clean and well-maintained.

The LDP has also shown itself to be willing to change it's ideology wholesale if that is what is required in order to secure votes.

>>12013499
>The extent of Nihillism of people nowadays make me feel frightened.
Nihilism allows me to take it easy

>>12013542
Capitalism is reclining

Which political system allows me to take it maximum easy?

>>12013670
Classical liberalism, maybe? Low taxes, regulated corporations, and you can do and own whatever the fuck you want.

>>12013670
Some cushy liberal system with a guaranteed basic income.

>>12013681

classiccal liberallism =/= regulated corporations. It's all about the laissez faire and the hidden hand so any regulation is against that system.

But that is just ethimology. If it ever were to be a combination like that what kind oof coercive power would the state have if iit doesn't have any kind of economic power? Oh, it's true, the power of the masses. said masses would need to be constantly active in their support to the state and consequentially the possibilities of a populist dictatorship would be very high. Not the ideal escenario to take it easy.

Finally, you know, that's been done before.It was called nazism. It's nothing really baad per se, but it's because what you mentioned isn't directly correlated to their crimes, but still, you have now an example of what kind of things can a dictatorship like that do.

>>12013688

A basic income without a constant surveillance of the econnomy by the state would end in an inflaation that degrates the value of said basic income. you'd be puttingin the hands of million of people money that the retailers would know about which will end in increased prices given said retailers knnow that people can spend a minimum quantity of money

>>12013117
It's funny because if you look at voter turnout, it's always at least around 60% or higher.
Having spoken to a number of Japanese in their twenties, the majority (male) have strong political opinions but they feel disenchanted by the political system and how easily mass public opinion is swayed by the media (nuclear energy fearmongering for example)
Pretty much the same as in the states

Please sage when arguing about off-topic shit.

>>12013818
>A basic income without a constant surveillance of the economy by the state would end in an inflation that degrades the value of said basic income.
Redistribution of wealth through tax does not automatically cause inflation.

>You'd be putting in the hands of million of people money that the retailers would know about which will end in increased prices given said retailers know that people can spend a minimum quantity of money.
The vast majority of people in most first-world countries are already capable of spending a minimum quantity of money sufficient to keep them alive, seeing as how they aren't dead yet.

>>12013877

>Redistribution of wealth through tax does not automatically cause inflation.

Maybe if I put it in another way. Basic income = minimal wage. That is what I was talking about.

PD: there you have yoour sage. Next time you could ask it in a niceer way though.

>>12013921
This is /jp/, we don't do nice.

>Basic income = minimal wage.
It isn't. Basic income is a tiny income that the state pays you for existing. It's not related to the minimum wage.

>>12013929

then just replace basic income with minimal wage.

Even so,both thing would cause inflation if the state didn't take measures like subsidization and financial grants in exchange of some controling some key prices on the economy

PD: It doesn't hurt to talk properly.

>>12013950
subsidies contribute to inflation

>>12013219
Italy has the highest voter turnout in democracies. they seem to like pizza and voting a lot.

>>12014028

It depends on which sector of the economy or region of the country you are injecting. Yeah, they create a bit of inflation but most of the time they are put in the agriculture or mining, sectors in decline.

>>12013317
AND LOOK WHERE HE IS NOW

>>12013511
go back to the idols thread

>>12013670
Depends on what kind of otaku you are.
NEETs like myself and hikkis would probably be served best by primitivism and deep ecology. Sometimes I want to go full unabomber and start living in the wilderness, squatting on public land and spending my days farming and chopping wood to warm my single-room cabin. But instead of mailing sophisticated letter bombs to people I would just carve garage kits from pine
Other than that, you could pick up Bookchin and try to live out a post-scarcity lifestyle by living off of passive income from blogging scams

>>12013681
Classical liberalism would just replace government bullying with corporate bullying. With no minimum wage laws or unemployment insurance I would have to work in rickety factories for vietnamese wages because it costs less to pay lawyers to defend against injury lawsuits than it would cost to keep the factory well-maintained and safe.

Is there any appetite for a legalization of gay marriage in Japan?

>>12014364
who actually gives a damn about this anywhere, really? If you're homosexual, it's about sex. Homo-sex-ual, not homo-romantic. Quit dreaming up issues, people. There's plenty to get into retarded fights over already.

>>12013483
>glorious communist revolution
Communist Revolutions don't work- they require the consent of all levels of the populace- and the upper classes will never acquiesce to such a thing. If a group attempts to seize power under guise of revolution, then it results in a false egalitarian state which paves way for a skewed society. Democratic Socialism is the way to go- with a Parliament which at least pretends to give the people what they want.

>>12013117
When there are several parties vying for spots in a Legislative body, there will always be one or two parties that are considered the most tenured.

>>12014399
>Parliament

>>12014381
homos can fugg themselves without getting married already
it's about tax benefits and pretending to be normal

>>12014419
But they aren't normal they're mentally ill

>>12014421
that's why I said pretending to be you noob

I travel to Asia a lot (Australia so it's the only cheap place we can travel) and something I've found is that Asia typically has fucking AMAZING cities, then absolute fucking slums for rural areas. I am talking, literal fucking African-tier slums on the outskirts of Seoul and in parks around Japan.

Hilariously, the only place I haven't really seen massive fucking slums is North Korea. Even travelling in by train without guide, no real slums.
Really underdeveloped villages that obviously haven't had infrastructure repairs since the 1980s, but no africa style slums.
In fact you know in Anime where they show rural Japan in the 1950s and it's all traditional housing with big rice fields and people rolling around on carts and shit? That is North Korea exactly. (This was North Hamgyong as well, where all the death camps supposedly are, where 99% of defectors come from and is the poorest region in the country).

What actually was quite surprising is the Norks are probably the most switched on politically people in the fucking all of Asia I have met and they know quite a lot about the outside world. I'm often really, really skeptical of news about North Korea now that i've actually been there and talked to the people (without guides for like 50% of the trip mind you, since I came in from Russia by Train and they don't give you guides till you hit Pyongyang). Also I find a lot of the shitting on North Korea quite hypocritical when we are totally fine with regimes like Thailand and Saudi Arabia.

Either way, wealth inequality is really bad all around Asia. People here talking about Communism should go check out the Maoist Communes that survived the Deng purges in China, they are fucking AMAZING. They produce their own food, they have their own factories and everything is free. Also by commune I don't mean shit dingy 10 people as well, these places have like 10,000 people in them.

>>12014445
Also Japan I think is kind of the perfect example of Capitalism at it's best.
Yes it's got wealth inequality like crazy and nepotism and the entire population is exploited and depressed as fuck, but seriously the amount of inter-family competition among the elites there is crazy.

Like in Osaka they built a new airport, so the fucking opposing big dynastic family built big buildings in the way of the flight/landing path as a fuck you.

Government builds train line, big ass dynastic family builds even faster private train line right next to it as a fuck you.

One family builds something, another builds something better next to it as a fuck you.

Unlike in the west where the billionares all make their money from siphoning wealth from the financial system and contribute fucking zero to the economy and society, in Japan, billionares seem to all be big dynastic families who are incredibly proud and will invest shit tonnes in infrastructure for more public adoration or some shit. It's the invisible hand working the best.

>>12014445
Kim Jong Shill pls

>>12014454
Except when you try and land planes in osaka, you mean?
>>12014445
>People here talking about Communism should go check out the Maoist Communes that survived the Deng purges in China, they are fucking AMAZING.
Here I thought it was "the Maoist Communes that survived the Maoist policies".

Filthy smelly Koreans should leave this thread.

>>12014405
Cutest loli I've seen all day.

Fascist anarchists ITT and all similar kopipe authors should go commit hairy carry together.

>>12014467
Maoist Communes took off really during the Cultural Revolution, they were a failure during the the Great Leap Forward because the Sino-Soviet split essentially. The Soviets walked away with all the fucking technology the Chinese needed, leaving the entire country sent back to the stone age.
At the time they were supposed to have state of the art factories and shit in the Communes to produce goods, yet they ended up with shitty backyard furnaces.

I still flat out don't believe a lot of the bad shit about the Maoist era which I think is largely bullshitting from anti-Communists and the Chinese Government itself wanting to move away from Mao as fast as possible (Deng was Mao's biggest enemy in the party remember). Just look at how the death rates seem to change every fucking year for the Great Leap Forward. first it was 3 million, then it was 15 million, then it was 20 million, then it was 35 million, then it was 40 million then it was 80 million then it was 100 million.
The thing is, most of these claims are based on absolutely zero evidence what so ever and based largely on statistical trickery. (they take growth rates from different time periods, like the late 80s, then project them back on the 1958-1961)

I agree a lot of the shit Mao did was retarded but I think it was largely due to lack of environmental/ecological scientific understanding at the time and lack of technology. For example, the Swallows campaign was fucking RETARDED and people use it a lot as a "lol mao was a moron", but that's just projecting modern science back then, how in fuck is the Swallows campaign any different from the retarded shit that agricultural companies were pulling all over the world at the time? Fucking dumping american bullfrogs in Australia's most fragile ecosystems to catch a fast flying beetle that was eating crops then going "oops" when the fucking bullfrog ate EVERYTHING that wasn't that beetle?

>>12013507
>Having extreme parties or extreme factions inside big parties a la Murricah is actually a sign of a healthy democratic system. It shows minorities are represented inside the political system and have some poweer to voice their opinions.

Perhaps, but if you ask me the amount of attention they get is far out of proportion. It's always frightening when extremists dominate discourse.

>>12013580
> It's the main reason why you can go into the shittiest, most run down neighbourhood in Japan and the roads will still be clean and well-maintained.
That's hilarious and I don't know if I'd want that to change.

>>12014483
Either way, I think the Maoist Communes were a pretty good idea and you can see how urban design is trending towards that area now with urban farms and stuff like that.

I honestly think that Socialism was just attempted at the wrong fucking time. How in fuck are you supposed to even think about how to do large scale decentralized cooperation, without computers or networks?

>>12014483
>I still flat out don't believe a lot of the bad shit about the Maoist era

same dude I don't believe the holocaust happened either there's no proof

>>12014487
It's easier to contemplate if the capitalists don't have computers or networks either.

Also, terminology question here: in our modern age of democratic socialism everywhere you look, is it still appropriate to refer to Bolshevik-style systems as socialist? Can we just call them communist even if they themselves didn't believe they had attained communism?

>>12013483
>calling a man a "bitch"
It makes sense that you're kind (closet homosexuals) supports Communism.

>>12014483
cane toads aren't bullfrogs, twit.
Or did you just post that to get somebody to correct you? Because it worked. Cane toads aren't bullfrogs.

They're the perfect mascot for the "British Commonwealth."

>>12013483
obama has been one of the worst US president in all of history

I don't worry much because Shintaro Ishihara is going to make Japan stronk again when he becomes PM and slay the commies and fags. Japan stronk.

>>12014485
>That's hilarious and I don't know if I'd want that to change.
It would be a decent practice if governments didn't punish electoral districts by withholding funding for road work.

I'm not sure if the Japanese do it, but for the longest time in my part of Canada governments would ignore the roads of opposition districts.

>>12014495
>It makes sense that you're kind (closet homosexuals) supports Communism.
lol. nigga who are you even quoting?

>>12014499
Right. Cause if you don't like Romney you must love Obama.

>>12014499
Please do not attract /pol/ to derail this thread ``kudasai''

>implying Mitt Romney wasn't the official /jp/ candidate

just look at this autism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJJKW7ea1oc

Before the 90s, it was simply because the U.S. gave Japan, a culturally conservative country, a liberal political system. Also, the iron triangle and the post-war economic miracle meant no one needed to complain.

After Japan moved beyond the durable goods phase of economic growth, its economy dwindled down. Lost Generation, oil shocks, Nixon shock, etc. Now, the LDP maintains power because it knows how to form coalitions like a motherfucker. There's also been a lot of internal reform within the LDP, so the Japanese people are deluded into thinking when Koizumi says he's going to crush the LDP, that's liberal reform and not factionalism.

>>12014503
I'd make azunyan dictator of my dick

>>12014510
>nigga

>>12014521
Racism will not be tolerated. /jp/ is a bully free zone.

>>12014521
seeing white kids unironically call each other 'nigga' makes me ill

>>12014541
I think it's pretty funny. Funnier than black kids calling each other nigga, at least.

>>12014541
it's a little implicit way to remind blacks of their place

>>12014541
Recently I heard the word "fvccboi" being used unironically (?) in public

Lattes were being served in this institution for $5.50 by twee indie girls with homemade kuttes. I secretly want to impregnate the frumpy one that listens to The Cure non-stop

Politics otaku

>>12014560
What are you doing outside?

Janitor-san is very rude.

Shouganai

The reason for LDP rule

>>12014592
I swear, japanese is probably the language with the most variations for "it can't be helped".

>>12014483
>I still flat out don't believe a lot of the bad shit about the Maoist era
And you believe the good stuff? From the records of the maoist regime itself? From communes currently a few centuries backwards in terms of technology?
Just to give you an idea of how bad things got in maoist communes, one of the maoist communes got "rediscovered". Being self sufficient, they were effectively cut off from the rest of the world.
The village celebrated upon outside contact by slaughtering their sole pig, and the first question the village elder asked was "So how's old man mao doing? eh?"
If you can't detect the seething hate and blatant abuse of their position as people who'd been forgotten from that one simple question, I think you'd believe just about anything good people say about the maoist era.

>>12013580
>The LDP has also shown itself to be willing to change it's ideology wholesale if that is what is required in order to secure votes.
This is very interesting. If you think about it, you don't really need more than one strong party to suit the wants of the people if it's so adaptable. Though, incentivizing willingness to change is probably a tightrope walk.

>>12014657
This is largely due to the fact that the LDP has many factions within it that essentially constitute their own contiguous parties. Like if the Republicans had five different tea parties jockeying for influence and control.

>>12014513
Looking back on it, I kind of wish he would have won. But history just isn't made for certain people.

>>12014487
>maoism
>decentralization

LMAO

>>12013144
I shouldn't have had Initial D music playing in the background..

>>12015185
Let me help. I feel like a terrible person now.

>>12015204
Aw man, this plays so much faster in the preview.

>>12014362
>NEETs like myself and hikkis would probably be served best by primitivism and deep ecology. Sometimes I want to go full unabomber and start living in the wilderness, squatting on public land and spending my days farming and chopping wood to warm my single-room cabin.

This anon knows. Living in the countryside is awesome if you manage to secure some basic resources and food. The main problem is iinternet and electricity but otherwise, living in a cabin with other /jp/ers like a comune is a lot better than living in the city.

There are a lot of abandoned manors at the countryside where I live. You'd just have to get there, rebuild it a bit and equip it and you'd be living in heaven. Besides, food is very cheap in the countryside.

>>12015119
Why? Nothing would be different except the face you see on the tv.
Romney had a shit campaign anyway, run by fucktards that ignored battleground states.

Because the United States created the party and set up a political machine to keep them in power and keep the leftists out. This was in the 50s, the age of the domino theory, and Japan was one of the US's unsinkable aircraft carriers to counter communism in Asia.

>>12013348
South Korea recently launched huge swiping attacks on labour unions in the country.
They sent military troops to the houses of union leaders and arrested them for no other reason than them being union people.

'S a pretty fucked country.

>>12013499
>commune
Where? How was it?
How do you get into one?
What ideologies was it founded on?

Dang, I want to join a commune.

>>12014657
As the numbers in >>12013438 demonstrate, the LDP wins because the LDP controls the center. When the center moves, it moves also - but it doesn't move far, usually just one internal faction gaining advantage over another.

>>12014445
> I'm often really, really skeptical of news about North Korea now
As you should be.
There's a lot of fucked up shit in NK, but the news that is spewed out as truth in mainstream media ALWAYS lack sources.

>Headline: NORTH KOREANS FORCED TO EAT THEIR BABIES
>...(according to unnamed south korean source)

>>12015431

>Where? How was it?

At the pyrenees, everyboody worked on something and shared the product. I was in charge of promoting us as a camping spot on the internet. We had some bungaloos and ther stuff to attract people and organized parties and such.

>How do you get into one?

Unless you want to stay completely out of the civilization, then I'd recomend trying this first: http://www.wwoof.net/

You work some hours a day in exchange of food and housing. Ver neat and there are farms like these all over the world. You could even go to one in japan and live the Non Non Biyori dream (I just need the money for the tickets).

>What ideologies was it founded on?

A comune doesn't need to be founded on ideologies. The first human settlements didn't need it. You just need to get well wwith your other partners there, respect each other talk a lot and do whatever is needed for the welfare of the comunity.

>>12015438
Thanks for replying.

>http://www.wwoof.net/
Seems like a hippy getaway from technology. Looks like it could be fun to do for a year, but nothing to invest a future in - unless all you really want is to escape from the rest of the world.
Aren't there any real communes within the structures of a developed society?

>A comune doesn't need to be founded on ideologies.
Of course not. I was hoping to find one that was, though.
I'd like to join a group of people who live communal lives as a statement - showing that it can work as a societal organization posing as an alternative to the current system.
It would be best if such a community operated in a city, within a framework of a "normal" capitalist society, actively spreading information about daily life, being inclusive towards spectators, arranging courses and discussion groups, and working as a center for a wider community consisting of interested outsiders and such.
Just having a free hangout space for everyone and anyone would go a long way, I think.
/rant

>>12015469
>hippy
Hippies and communes, yaay?

Seriously don't expect much from (or believe much of) this thread at this point, it's gone from answering the OP question all the way to circling the drain in a weird endless loop.

/jp/ - political activists

>>12015482
/jp/ - disaffected youth

>>12015484
that is pretty much what this board is about, escapism

>>12015469

>Of course not. I was hoping to find one that was, though.

For your own sanity, I'd really recomend not to get in one oof such "idelogical" comunes. The least politics you need the better you'll live and the more you'll enjoy.

Ifwhat you really want is doing social activism, then you'll be doing much from your house in the city than in a comune.

>Seems like a hippy getaway from technology.

I dunno if you are using that in a negative way but I've been in farms like that 3 times and people were awesome.

>>12015490
>Ifwhat you really want is doing social activism, then you'll be doing much from your house in the city than in a comune.
Not if what I want is for people to arrange society in a less self-centered manner, with a greater focus on social interaction as opposed to a culture of buying your way up the happiness-ladder. You can't just sit at home and tell everyone how you think it ought to be. I think you have to go forth as a leading example, if you really want to see a change.
Then again, yeah, it'll probably be detrimental for my general quality of life, and I guess it could fail miserably... I still really want to try, though.

>I dunno if you are using that in a negative way
Kind of.
Although the concept is neat and sounds like a lot of fun, it seems unguided and pointless in a broader perspective. Cool "working vacation" or escapist getaway, but not really a factor in terms of the organisation of society.

>>12015469

>Looks like it could be fun to do for a year, but nothing to invest a future in.

It really depends on the farm but there are people that has lived as wwofers for years or has stablished near their hoosting farm to live there.

Hell, my current job is from the people I'vve met there.

>>12015504

Given how society works nowadays and how they see people that do this as "hippies", I think the best you can do is living your life the best you can and tell then how good it is compared to their shitty salary man lives.

- Eating fresh vegetables every day, boar and deer, freh eggs and all the food you want because it's cheap as fuck and you grow your own stuff too..

- Fresh air and if you've got a lake nearby your own personal pool you can even get in completely naked.

- A lot of free time since the work on a farm is only done during the day.

The only bad thing were insects, limited electricity spply sice it was solar energy and a veery slow internet.

>>12015530
>limited electricity, veery slow internet, implied physical labor as opposed to some sort of IT job

Yeah, I'm not seeing the appeal.

>>12015530
It's way better to be an urban nomad with a huge stock of employable skills. You're not diversifying your risk when you invest everything into a farm.

>>12015991
The trade-off is that you get to eschew nearly all unwanted human contact. Even doing oddjobs requires you to deal with people.

>>12015530
>The only bad thing were insects, limited electricity spply sice it was solar energy and a veery slow internet.

Your internet and solar only exists in so far as society is around long enough to make more panels for you and parts for your electronics.

There's nobody out there that's going to build a working computer that can perform more than simple calculations out of hand-tooled parts. It's all high-tech industrial, which relies on a functioning high-tech society.

Stock up on physical erotic doujin/eromanga while you can. The collapse will see the end of all supplies. In the coming world, you may be the only person within a hundred miles whose collection survives.

>>12015318
>There are a lot of abandoned manors at the countryside where I live. You'd just have to get there, rebuild it a bit and equip it
Can you do that? Do you need special rights/paperworks/prerequisites?

>>12017041

Most of then are really abbandoned, meaning, the actual owners don't give a damn. Also, lots of ghost towns in the middle of Castille and Leon due to people moving to the cities.

Pic of all the abandoned towns in Spain

>>12013460
The JCP are definitely Communist. What they aren't is Leninist or Stalinist.

>>12014630
>has no idea that the vast majority of peasants loved Mao and still love Mao
>thinks anyone would believe your bullshit story

>>12014364
Not really. The diet has passed laws preventing discrimination but as far as actively giving rights nobody really feels strongly for or against it. More of a "negative freedom" kind of setup.

>>12014399
>they require the consent of all levels of the populace

It's like you never heard of the dictatorship of the proletariat before.

>>12017755
Unless you're counting engineers, doctors, artisans, and other educated petit-bourgeoisie as proles the revo isn't going to succeed for very long

>>12017740
>peasants matter