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>>11990973
Did we really make the same Elona thread at the same time? Wow.

I'll just repost what I said in the other one.

>not playing as a 13 year old loli
>not selling your body for cheap gold and grinding charisma
>not having a lovely monster girl harem
>not riding a t-rex into town as you carry a nuclear missile to completely destroy a castle and surrounding town

What's your excuse for not playing?

>>11990987
>not riding a t-rex into town as you carry a nuclear missile to completely destroy a castle and surrounding town
Oh, to ride something... i never did! I see a scub or something like that on Lesimas, but i don't know how to ride that.

Someone on the wiki said the dungeon cleaner showed up during a summon spell, and did the unique recruitable dialog when it was killed. Has anyone run into any old chars that are showing up as recruitable now in new versions of Plus?

>>11990996
You need to recruit whatever as a pet to ride it, and you need the riding skill, which gives you a special action that consumes 20 SP. It can be kind of a pain if you consistently run low on stamina, but it's great early-game. Especially with races that have low speed.

It DOES lower your accuracy, and makes heavy weps unusable. Which I've always hated, since using long and heavy weps on a horse is a lot more common than using short and light weapons.

The wiki says the Lucky Dagger is one of the best weapons for dual wielding, Looking at its stats and descriptions, however, it doesn't seem so good.
What makes it one of the best for dual wielding?

>>11990528
Regarding recruiting hostiles with the Astral Light Pen: While you can't give them engagement stuff, you CAN give gifts and tokens of friendship to hostiles, which increases your relationship with them. The difference is that the level that you get it to doesn't show, so you have to keep trying the Pen when you think you've given them enough stuff. Tokens are easier to get in bulk, but you need to get them to Friend for the Tokens to start working.

A recent patch also halves the level needed to recruit someone. So for example, you'd have to be only 50 or higher to pick up Gwen the merciless at her base level after beating Zeome. The penalty that "-god" race characters get has changed as well, but it still probably would not be worth it to try to pick up Chaos fort bosses since it hits their stats pretty hard.

>>11992066
It really is still decent. But when that was written there were barely any other unique options, and finding other good weapons that were under .5 stones to meet the wield requirement was really hard. Plus, it does give the "see invisible" attribute, which is nice regardless of version.

>>11992098
Oh, also about the pen: time doesn't pass when giving gifts and tokens, so you can keep giving more then trying the pen to check if it's high enough without the boss or whatever getting in a lot of free attacks. Using the pen itself doesn't use it up unless it works, and doesn't pass time, although I think it IS consumed if it works and you have too many pets to recruit the target.

>>11992066
Before Elona+ changed the damage formula and increased the upgrade limit to +12 your damage was mostly based on how good your weapon was, and it's hard to find something else with 4d6+18 base. It also has see invisible, thief protection and stamina drain which are relatively difficult to find, moreso on an item with other bonuses. If you're a melee character but don't want to use it for whatever reason (two hand, other weapon class), you can still stick it in the ranged slot for see invisible/thief protection and throwing it isn't half bad either.

Hey, this is a pleasant surprise. I was sad when the last thread died and didn't expect another one.

According to the wiki, Martial Arts has the potential to be the best damage in the game. Is there even a reason to use anything other than your fists for melee unless you're role playing?

>>11992688
That's extremely late game, and the benefits for having a weapon, including inherent skills and stat buffs, far outweigh not having one. Plus, it's harder to train strength because you'll only be training martial arts, versus training with a weapon and it's subsequent secondary skill (two-handed, shield, dual wield, etc.)

That said, if you solely focus on using martial arts straight from the beginning, you'll have a much better time over people who will want to move over to martial arts late game.

iirc, tonfas and claws equipped to your character still allow them to level up your martial arts skill.

>>11992101
>Kumiromi male God Farmer
Fuck that, Kumiromi will always be a female in my eyes.

I wanted to playing it again, but I got bored before level 20, even getting pretty much every skill I wanted. a couple years ago I had so much fun...

>>11993094
*play IT
sorry...

>>11992705
>you'll only be training martial arts, versus training with a weapon and it's subsequent secondary skill (two-handed, shield, dual wield, etc.)

If you do equip a shield, tonfa or claw, you will level up the shield skill while using martial arts.

>>11992688
Unless you're theorycrafting based on stats and skills in the thousands, martial arts is fairly balanced with the rest of the melee fighting styles. It gets a lot of specific skills (a grenade attack, an elemental imbue), lets you equip a pair of claws/tonfas which can have damage reduction and/or nullification attributes and further boost your damage (you can have +24 from a pair of +12 claws not counting their base bonus). And the martial arts skill will scale up your base damage, and increase your armor penetration up to 50%.

But there are downsides, since martial arts gets neither two hand's ridiculous accuracy bonus, or the ability to overwhelm through sheer number of attacks dual wield does (you can still get extra attacks with unarmed, just as you can with two hand by equipping items with the extra attack property). So prepare to be frustrated with a lot of missing until you grind your way to an acceptable accuracy. Also, while your base damage does scale, two hand gets about double the damage modifier, and dual wield makes up through multiple attacks. Finally, while you can still get acceptable resistances and skill bonuses on your claws, tonfas or shields, you won't have access to interesting weapon mods such as timestop, stamina and mana drain, and various invokes. And you will seriously consider switching over once you find your first living weapon.

To sum up:
+ allows you to use shield/claw/tonfa-exclusive defensive mods without sacrificing damage (weapon+shield damage is terrible)
+ your damage will scale up very well
+ with claws/tonfas you can cast at 100%
+ some interesting stamina use skills

- very low accuracy
- no access to weapon only mods and living weapons

>>11990987
>not playing as a six year old, 1 kg fairy

I tried to make her grow taller/fatter but she keeps puking on cursed food and I'm too lazy to identify all before eating

I recently killed a <mad scientist> and a <winged snail> and they asked to join my party. I said no thanks, me and my little girl are doing just fine, and they went on their respective mad/slimy ways. Are things like this going to keep happening? If I change my mind later, wishing that I did in fact hang on to the past-his-prime scientist (mad scientist milk/eggs sounds like fun) and the hopeful snail, am I out of luck or do I just have to find them and kill them again?

Is there a way to stop Elona from crashing when using number keys in Windows 8.1? I thought it might be a new Plus thing, but it turns out my old Elona beta is crashing whenever I hit the 1 to 0 keys.

>>11993290
One of the reasons I always hated two-hand and martial arts based characters is that you tend to lose out on a lot of bonuses that having the extra weapons provides. 6-handed mutants can really pile up the effects, skill boosts and resistances. Going mutant isn't as useful for long since the doctor in the 2nd continent can add a couple extra body parts later on, but going for a martial arts or two-handed char still seems like they would lag behind.

The last time I used someone with that many hands to it's greatest effect was when you could use Attribute to get nether health drain on your wep, though. I'm wondering how you'd keep your stamina high enough to use it often enough with a martial arts char.

>>11993450
They won't show up again, but those two aren't very good. They are both kind of joke characters. The level 35 angel you can pick up later on is decent, but other than him the two highest level uniques that offer to join, Pascal and Lityou, are probably the only ones that you'd regret missing out on.

>>11993542
>Pascal and Lityou, are probably the only ones that you'd regret missing out on.
You make my Murder Knight cry.

Ravness from Tactics Ogre or Agrias from Final Fantasy Tactics as my portrait for Golden Knight?

>>11993551
The Murder Knight can be decent, but they'd take some work to make them worth keeping awhile. The reason I keep Pascal and Lityou for the long haul is because of their high speeds, and their abilities as mounts.

>>11993803
There's actually a good amount of custom stuff out there for Golden Knights, so I'm tempted to say you're missing out by going the Agrias route.

>>11992066
It's not anymore but it's one of the best throwing items in Elona+

Is gene engineering the best alternative for raising my pets' level and attributes, or will I get more from just grinding?

>>11994148
Grinding is better

>>11993954
Do you have the pixiv for second from the left in the top row?

>>11994148
It seems that you can get pretty decent gains if you level them up slowly, fusing them with NPCs that are slightly higher level each time. If the NPC has a stat higher than the pet, then the pet gets a gain in that stat. It seemed much more effective, but I rarely see anyone talking about doing it, so it feels like I was doing something wrong. The actual skills still need to be ground out, but you can get skill potentials up pretty high at the dojo if you can save up enough gold. I was always spending so much money on other stuff that it was tough to dump gold into several pets to get some decent potential gains.

>>11994175
I thought I picked that up from the Elona uploader archive, but there was another page hosting it here:

http://sasikaelona.web.fc2.com/f02.html

Sadly, if the original artist has his own site somewhere, I don't know where it would be.

>>11994244
It seems that you can get pretty decent gains if you level them up slowly, fusing them with NPCs that are slightly higher level each time. If the NPC has a stat higher than the pet, then the pet gets a gain in that stat. It seemed much more effective, but I rarely see anyone talking about doing it, so it feels like I was doing something wrong.
That's exactly why I was asking. I did this with my previous character's pets, but all the talk about making low level pets strong by feeding them herbed food made me question my practice.

I get a consistent crash whenever I use the special action "preaching". Anybody else notice this? The obvious workaround is to not do that, which is a pain because it is the only way to grind faith.

>>11995128
Yeah, it's been that way for a while.

Just keep your potential high, to make the most of those dreams and scrolls of faith.

Also, wear the Unknown shell when you're offering stuff - it gives you +12 faith.

>>11995128
>>11995169
Sleeping whenever possible also increases your faith quite quickly.

>>11995169
>unknown shell
I didn't know that, is it a straight +12 to all offerings or is it a +50% bonus?
Also, is that only true of the unknown shell or does it apply to all items with the "catches signals from god" attribute?

>>11995175
It raises your favour cap by 1200. So you can get the god weapons and training items at 29 faith, the gemstone at 14, and the pet at 4 faith. You won't lose any favour you've earned when you unequip it.

The amount of favour earned from each offering stays the same.

The "it catches signals from god" attribute has no in-game effect other than occasional flavour text.

>>11995187
Oh shit reading comprehension. I misinterpreted what you posted as "it gives +12 favor per offering". Thanks for clarifying.

Has anyone ever had problems with their shift key? It somehow doesn't work which I don't quite get, it worked yesterday just fine. The only odd thing that happened to me was some kind of error message but I deleted it. The ESC key also doesn't work and I get the feeling that the arrow keys got more sensible. Furthermore I can't just hold the enter key when I roll through the different aliases.

>>11995201
Have a controller plugged in? Might try disabling joystick support.

>>11995204
I unplugged the joystick and I disabled the function in the options. It still doesn't work. I also tried vanilla elona and that doesn't work either

>>11995195
It's also worth mentioning that the faith attribute on equipment is really rare. You can save-scum and make a living weapon with faith in Plus, but other than that you are stuck killing hermit crabs until the shell drops. I usually end up getting it on new characters when doing intentionally failed farming quests to raise a few attributes early on in the game.

>>11995201
I can't really help, but what OS are you using? I've been having consistent troubles with Windows 8, even when using clean installs of both Elonas. Using compatibility mode hasn't helped at all.

>>11995383
I don't think it's any rarer than the other random attributes, it's just not guaranteed from any specific equipment type or material. (like how long swords always have [##] tactics). I've run into plenty of items with "It makes you pious. [#]".

Still, the Unknown shell is definitely your best option for boosting faith - it's light, useful for more than just the faith, gives a bigger boost than anything else you're likely to find, and isn't too hard to obtain.

Any of you grind your way past lvl 100 yet? How long did it take?I want to recruit Gwen the Pitiless into my harem via Astral Pen.

>>11995552
Why not just capture Gwen the Innocent and evolve her?

Is it possible to increase experience rates to x100?

>>11995556
I want her to have the abilities and attributes of Pitiless.

>>11995585
Level 101 is doable, but it will take a while.

If you want a similar Gwen quicker, though, just take the evolved one to the AP trainer for the abilities, and get the attributes however you normally would.

>>11995496
Sorry, you're right. I was confusing it with riding or pickpocketing (until recently).

>>11995552
I think they halved the level for the pen in a recent patch. I used a debug char at 55 to recruit Gwen at 100. Does she has any extra abilities now? The 2 debuffs seemed kind of lame.

>>11995575
You can use Elosnack to mess with your character's level if you want to get to some base level for your character or stats.

The newer Plus contains a "casual" mode called Overdose, which speeds up some stuff by 20x. It says "skill" experience, but you get normal xp for leveling skills so your normal level might go up faster too. The drawbacks are that your "score" that no one cares about is set to 0, and you can't create genes.

Do pets use their anatomy skill or mine when they make the kill?

The Defender Jure gave me doesn't live up to his name. His health bar becomes depleted so fast even against baby enemies. Is he just a bad pet, or do I need to grind him some to make him decent?

>>11996103
Did you give him better equipment?

>>11996126

Yea, he's got the best equipment out of everyone except me.

>>11994296
I was trying the herbed food at the same time, but that seemed to go a lot slower comparatively. I'd like to hear someone explain the reason they think that's better than the incremental gene engineering.

>>11996103
All the servants seem to start off really weak. Evolving them helps, but getting your hands on a God Heart is pretty tough. They're the only one that has the Absolute Defense ability when evolved, but I can't imagine that being useful enough to justify the amount of time you'd have to sink into him before then.

I need to pick two pets to go dungeon crawling with me, so what should I go with?

Android, Exile, or Black Fairy?

Also, if I were to gene engineer a god pet to another god pet, would I be able to get the one used as material to fuse again?

>>11996148
Not a real answer, but one thing to consider is that androids in Plus recently lost their Boost special action, and get the cArmor bit, which reduces damage they take to 1/4. His speed is fairly decent for someone with that bit.

For the 2nd part, if you mean "dump your god, then pick them back up and pray for a new servant at ~1500 favor", then yes you can get a new one. Getting rid of the pet in whatever fashion frees up the "god pet" spot, including dumping them in an Abandoned Ranch, or whatever those are called.

>>11996103
Teach it greater evasion

How do I get lots and lots of herbs? Just do farm requests and hope I'm lucky for seeds?

So I just got back into this with the newest version of Elona+.

Anything I should know or tips/tricks? I used a gene from my old fairy because grinding/finding/modifying fairy gear is suffering. Also because my old fairy had a wicked staff with enhances spells #####+ that took forever to get, and this new fairy is also a wizard.

I hear that spell stocks and spells are supposedly better, which is a relief, but I took pride in working hard and spending tons of gold to get decent wizardry.

>>11996188
Woah, really? I didn't notice in the update notes. Guess I'm making a mecha moe girl.

Goddamn, it's taking me too long to get 15 Faith for my god pet.

Is there any reason I can't abandon my pets? There used to be a prompt that allowed for that, but now I can't find it anywhere.

>>11996313
Never mind, I found that I had it as my designated pet.

>>11996326

Why would you want to abandon your designated pet? You monster!

>>11996337
What does "designated pet" do, besides making my little girl blush?

>>11996342
Removes the abandon option so you don't accidently do that.

>>11996376
They also don't appear on the gene machine list as donors.

>I was trying the herbed food at the same time, but that seemed to go a lot slower comparatively. I'd like to hear someone explain the reason they think that's better than the incremental gene engineering.

I'd like to know this as well. Would grinding and herbed food be better in the long run for min-maxing my pets if time is not a problem?

How do I get more field tiles to plant on? It's not showing up on the housing board and I accidentally deleted a couple of them so I hope you can get more somehow.

>>11996411
Reset the tile on the map. Make sure you remove anything worthwhile that you have from the place before doing so.

So I'm starting out and planning to be a wizard. I have some awesome spell books but can't read any of them! My Literacy is 17 and I have 50 skill point boosts from leveling to distribute.

Should I put them all into Literacy so I can acquire all of these great spells (I have access to the Mage guild and the book vendor of awesomeness, so spells I learn can be bought) or is there a better option?

How do I reset my map icon to default?

>>11996478

Figured it out. That's pretty cool.

>>11996465
Don't spend skill points to increse the skill itself, only the potential. It's better to just keep reading as much as you can for now.

>>11996511

Alright, thanks. Also, is there any way to sleep creatures other than the touch of sleep attack you get from the hypnotism feat? If not any reliable way to get it, I'm guessing the feat is one I'll definitely want to grab.

>>11996411
You are probably better off building another farm. They aren't that expensive, and you can have several of them, so you don't have to delete the one you already have.

>>11996465
Start collecting as much equipment as you can that has literacy on it, and put it in a pile. It's a pain, but it lets you read more books, and so lets you get your literacy skill up faster since you're reading more.

>>11996525
Sleep potions. Touch of sleep is actually not that reliable, and does damage so it either kills or pisses off whatever you're aiming at. The potions can still piss something off, but it's safer at least.

>>11996585

So potions. Yeah, I'll probably want the skill then. I just like the idea of having certain abilities innate to my character while adventuring or whatever, not relying on carrying a stock of them. I guess if I need to sleep a non-hostile NPC for whatever, I'll <return> to my home and get my stockpile of sleep potions. Anything hostile on-the-fly, I'll like to have the skill.

It's kind of the whole reason I want to be a wizard, too.

Thanks.

I finally recruited her. So, what's the best way to level her so she could keep up with the high level pets I will eventually get?

>>11996597
forgot image

>>11996595
The feat is usually your best option, but it's not reliable on stuff stronger than you. You could use sleep potions, but I'm not sure how much more reliable they are by comparison.

Touch of sleep does a bit of damage, and never misses, so it's also good for killing bats and stuff.

>>11995383
>I can't really help, but what OS are you using? I've been having consistent troubles with Windows 8, even when using clean installs of both Elonas. Using compatibility mode hasn't helped at all.
Win7

>>11997004
Disregard that, i suck cocks. It's somehow working again, I have no explanation for this

I started playing a thief and I was wondering how I should go on about it. I was thinking about going in the direction of being fast, a high DV and dual wield. Thoughts?

>>11997632
> I started playing a thief and I was wondering how I should go on about it. I was thinking about going in the direction of being fast, a high DV and dual wield. Thoughts?

If you're going that route, consider choosing a fairy as your race for extra high DV boosts, and choose first to worship Ehekatl of Luck to get the Lucky Dagger weapon which is incredibly good for dual wielding. It also only weighs .4s so fit for fairy.

If you're going to be an evasive character, you're going to need to get Greater Evasion. So if it doesn't already come with your class, make sure to grab it with your first wish so that you can train it ASAP. The only alternative to wishing it is to get it from the mage guild.

I caught a Wyvern and he's turning all enemies into fried chicken and carrying my whole party. This is beautiful.

>>11997740
Once I found a level 68 monsterball at some vendor in Palmia. Bought it and catched a Spiral King. I was level 30something at that point and boy, I didn't had to worry about enemies for a good time.

>>11997736
>Choose Ehekatl first
This isn't really a good idea, since you need 40 faith to get the lucky dagger, or 29 with the unknown shell. Either way, it'll take you a while to obtain, and the rewards you'll get leading up to it won't be very helpful early on. A much better idea would be to go for Jure at the start, and pick up the defender pet. You only need 15 faith, so you can get it as soon as you have the unknown shell, and Lay on Hands is a fantastic ability, especially for a DV-based character with low HP. Her offerings are really easy to obtain too.

If you want a great weapon that can be obtained early on, go with the Ether dagger. The easiest way to get it is to nuke your house before you enter Vernis, but you can also dominate bells or get a powerful monster ball from a previous character.

>>11997812
There's also the Oti-Tubaki, which is another decent fairy-compatible weapon that you can pick up right at the start - just go to the Mansion of younger sister, hit the shopkeeper to make her start summoning them, and kill them until you have it. The Fire Breath feat might help here.

Can someone help a noob out? I'm playing as a gunner character.

Should I go for a DV or PV based defense? What armor should I sink points into, light, medium, or heavy?

Will this game get any better? I'm just grinding delivery and escort missions because that's the only thing that doesn't get me killed.

>>11997909
PV is generally more reliable.

Don't sink points into armour early on, other skills are more important.

Sort of. It mainly depends on what you want from it.

>>11997909
>>11997934

If you want to delve dungeons with a party of monsters, little girls and catgirls, you've got the right game. Of course, there's a lot more you can do.

The early game is a little harsh, so you do have to start out with escort and delivery missions, but they'll help you grind out platinum which you need to get more skills, and gold to do stuff and buy things. Sometimes they give decent gear, too.

Eventually you'll be strong enough to do the battle missions which are usually quick experience and gold and platinum.

After you get to that point, it's just a matter of training to get to where you want.

I recommend grinding the puppy cave to get lots of scrolls, potions, some equipment, and gold and experience. After that just follow the main questline and get stronger as needed.

>>11997736
Did greater evasion have some problem with the text-parser when you tried to wish for it? Seem to remember one of those guild-specific skills having trouble.

>>11997740
The problem with fire and ice-breathers is that they tend to destroy items that you might want that are on the ground. It doesn't happen all the time, but it only takes once to ruin your day.

>>11997812
I really liked Kumiromi as an initial god, but I go back to him later too. The minor skill boosts are nice early on, and the stamina regen REALLY helps when trying to level pickpocket.
>>11997874
There was a guy on the wiki that came up with the idea of setting the whole map on fire. It kills tons of sisters quickly, although you need enough fire resistance to have it not damage you as well, so it might be tough to do it that way early on. I don't know how high fairy fire res is. You have to save occasionally and then check the art.log to see if the dagger was generated, since there's so much shit on the map when you do it that it's hard to tell when it shows up.

If he wanted to do it manually, he'd need to remember to bring an incognito spell, scroll or disguise kit so the higher level sister didn't end up killing him.

>>11997909
One thing that might help is to get some higher life pets to tank a bit for you. Even shotgun damage isn't going to make up for getting surrounded, so it's better if you have a couple pets that can survive to hold some enemy attention.

>>11997966

Well, a lot of skills require a specific entry in the text parser for wishing.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Greater_Evasion

The wiki has as follows
>#gvas will increase Greater Evasion by 1 level and train its potential.
>#greatevasion actually gives the greater evasion skill

So I guess wish for "#greatevasion" to get the skill.

>>11997966
Fairy doesn't get any fire resistance, but you could always just keep away from the fires. The shopkeeper sister doesn't seem to actually attack, at least, I've never had her try it. She'll just constantly summon sisters.

And yeah, Kumiromi's stamina regen is absolutely fantastic, by far the best god effect, in my opinion.

I find magicians really hard to start with in Elona

any advice?

>>11997812
Apparently you can't use the nuke to get the Ether Dagger anymore, since Larnneire doesn't die from it.

>>11997987
>I find magicians really hard to start with in Elona

First of all, are you playing the up to date 1.35r2 version of Elona Plus?

Anyway, best advice is to do escort and delivery quests until you get enough gold and gear to outfit your little sister. Maybe get a second pet if you do the Port Kapul quest with the scientist that gives you a few free low level monster balls.

With some mediocre gear for your little girl and maybe one other pet, farm the puppy cave for some spellbook variety and try to get ancient books for you to decode to get access to the mage guild.

Your main goal is to get enough ancient books to enter the mage guild freely. Once you do, there's a merchant who you can tell to stock specific books and when they next refresh inventory, they will have a lot of books of the ones you selected. Investing in this merchant also increases the total stock of books they will have supplied.

That's your ticket to have all the spell stocks you need.

I'd recommend saving enough gold to buy a ton of them, primarily Magic Dart as a primary offensive spell, and you'll want to train it a lot.

When it's the twelfth month, go to Noyel and take the sandbag (looks like a gallows). You'll have to free the prisoner. Anyway, get a deed of storage house. Cast the summon monster spell or use a rod or scroll of the spell. Do not kill a monster, but weaken one and then use the sand bag on it. There's your unlimited target practice.

Have a ton of Magic Dart books with you, and watch a movie while you train Magic Dart for a bit. Go back to the mage guild at Lumiest if you need to restock. After the movie is done, you should have trained Magic Dart and some of your other skills enough to do some decent adventuring as a mage.

Enjoy! Keep in mind that if the twelfth month happens while you're still getting ready to train up your magic, you can still stop by Noyel to get the sand bag early, and then do this whenever you are ready.

>>11998029

Wait, the wiki says that later versions of Elona+ do not give you experience from sandbagged things. Whaaaaa? I'm going to need to test this myself.

At any rate, there are rune gate worlds which have splitting monsters that you can safely target to train. That may be the only other option you have, but I don't remember how to find them.

You can alternatively take all those books with you and train it up the hard way.

>>11998029
>>11998033

Thanks for the detailed advice, always wanted to play a lich in this but constantly got destroyed.

>>11998049

Yeah, you pretty much have to start out being an errand boy until you're ready to take on dungeons. You can even train your casting and spells with the books you get from the puppy cave even well before you get access to the mage guild. The mage guild just makes it so much easier. Another thing you may try is to have a lot of disguise kits and some teleport rods so that you can sneak into the mage guild before you gain access proper, but that shouldn't actually be necessary.

>>11998033
Sandbagged monsters don't give spell exp anymore, and you don't get exp for anything while in a moongate room anymore, either. That's why leveling Ball spells is preferable over Darts now.

>>11998059
You can't order books from the spell writer, even if you get inside, before being a member, so getting into the guild early will only help for the trainer or whatever.

>>11998059
>>11998103
Another thing to think about when trying to get those skills is going to be that incognito has recently changed so that uniques aren't affected by it anymore. So it might be a good idea to join the guild before doing anything in there anyway. I was thinking this would be easier than before with the Wizard Harvest change, but it seemed tougher to find the damn things last time I played.

>>11998103

Oh man. So explain why leveling ball spells is preferable now.

I was certain that Magic Dart is the single best attacking spell in the game, and that the ball spells are good for when you're surrounded or whatnot.

It's not that big a deal, though. You can still do puppy cave snoozefests to level up spells. Just not as cozy as before.

>>11998049
How is it even possible to get destroyed in an MMORPG? The whole model is basically contingent upon being able to successfully farm retards for their subscriptions, which absolutely necessitates eliminating challenge - both mechanical and intellectual.

Is there a way to reset the tiles for my house if I mess it up?

>>11998142
You can level ball spells anywhere in complete safety. You can only level target attacks when there's an enemy around, and with the sandbag nerf that's a lot more difficult than it used to be.

>>11998174

I see. There's also an added bonus for ball spell leveling if you have the Control Magic skill, where you can raise that skill while you level the ball spell. Helps keep you from killing your pets in the field. Though even with the sandbag and gate nerf I'm not sure it's that much worse, it just means you have to pick one dart spell and stick with it, which is almost assuredly going to be Magic Dart. Good to know, though.

>>11998174
Do you get spell exp for attacking your own pets? Can't you boost their resistance and grind spells on them?

>>11998166
Did you erase the water tiles in your castle? If not then it's easier to just revert manually. If you did erase the water tiles, then use
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Your_Home#Initializing_a_room
but keep in mind everything in your house will be deleted.

>>11998195

What's the significance of the water tiles? I'm pretty sure I can just recreate them.

>>11998208
You can't create them if you delete them all, and you can use them to fish at home or get wet.

>>11998213
Can't you just open the tile directory and add more water tiles?

>>11998213

The generated ones and the default ones both seem to be the same though.

>>11998224
They aren't in the list. You have to copy them with a right mouse click to create more, thus you need at least one already placed.

>>11998229
Did they add water tiles to the list in an Elona+ update?

>>11998232

It looks like it. I just started playing so I wouldn't know when it was added but I just spawned them.

>>11998234
Having water tiles was always an advantage of buying a castle. I guess now it doesn't matter.

Is it more efficient to raise a pets potential in the dojou as opposed to giving them ores?

>>11998344
Probably not, considering that they make significantly more gold from selling the ore than you would.

Am I missing something here?

>>11998520
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/King

>>11998524

Ha, looks like I'm fucked.

>>11998520
Don't you want to be the kingslayer? The fighters guild is actually an assassins guild.

>>11998520
You forgot to save before talking to them so you could reload for rabbits/nurses/goblins/etc.

>>11998554

I accept my tasks with honor pal.

>>11998561
Why? The fighter's guild cares so little about you that when you show up asking for a quest, bright-eyed and shiny-faced, the guy in charge just picks some creature from his list at random and tells you to kill it. He's really just fucking with you as part of a frat initiation. I guarantee he and the arena master sit around laughing about what hilarious thing they sent you off to kill this time as soon as you're gone.

>>11998590

Yea, fuck those guys, I should go mine down their building to show em who's boss.

>>11998239
You get the water tiles in the tile sheet only with the cyber house or the castle.

>>11998003
I've managed to nuke her in 1.34, so are you sure?

>>11998520
From what I remember, unique names show up differently than the chess pieces in the japanese version. Chess pieces that are unique have another set of brackets on their name, so they end up looking like <<King>> for some reason. They DID use curly braces in the game, but only for uniques that show up during ether storms. I think they show up as doubles like {{Minotaur}}, although memory fails at the moment if they're double or not.

>>11998705
Yeah, I'm not sure what those other guys are talking about, but if anyone wants to check, just wizmode a characters and check the tiles for your normal house, then build a cyber house/castle and check the tiles there. You shouldn't have to duplicate existing tiles, they'll be on the sheet, but only if it's one of the two highest ranks.

>>11998915
I've failed to kill off one of them before too, in earlier versions of Plus. I'm not sure where this started, but it was consistently failing to off one of them.

>>11998990
I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I get the feeling that people aren't actually trying to fix their houses before they come to /jp/ to complain.
that or they aren't playing the most recent version of E+

Do I need a special kit or something to make my barbecue set dawn or spirit cloth? I've used a bunch of inferior material scrolls and it seems to just be looping from the same 4 or so materials which are all heavy.

>>11999268
Where did you find the damn barbecue set to begin with, I'm contemplating wasting my next wish on one because it's like it doesn't exist.

>>11999269

I found it pretty early on at the general goods guy in Vernis who I hadn't even invested in. I guess I just got extremely lucky because the only other cooking tools that I've seen aside from portable ones are campfires and pots.

It's worth it too. I only had around level 4 cooking and I went from burning 95% of my dishes to actually succeeding.

>>11999268
>inferior material scrolls
And you wonder why you only get shit material out of it? Please.
>>11999269
Invest in the vendors at the embassy.
Guys seriously, you won't get good equipment from vendors if you don't invest in them.

>>11999281

My logic was that if I wanted something light I would use a scroll that gave me shitty light materials. I guess I didn't put much thought into it since I'm sure dawn and spirit cloth aren't on the list of inferior materials now that I think of it.

>>11999269
You can steal them from party time quest room.

>>11999283
Wouldn't paper be best?

>>11999285
>>11999289
Furnitures can't be paper.

>>11999285

Yea, that's why I started using those scrolls. Then I read that you can't roll paper on equipment like that.

>>11999289
Spirit cloth would be the best since it's the lightest of superior materials.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment

>>11999268
Good material kits are too rare to use on anything that you can normally randomly reroll with superior material or change material scrolls. Living weps are probably what you'd want to save most for, unless there was a REALLY good godly quality thing you wanted to reroll.

Garokk has a new thing where he can randomize a material kit, but I imagine it wouldn't be worth doing without save-scumming.

So I'm just starting out. What pet should I choose if I have the intention of keeping it for the entire game? I don't want to have to get rid of my nakamatachi midway through the game.

>>11999403
I've had my little girl for about 40 levels now. Only thing I haven't hit is the chaos towers. She still gets killed easily by rooms full of bolt spam, but then again so do I.

>>11999403
Little girl is the best pet you can choose, as she can use equipment. Anything you don't want anymore you can hand down to her.

>>11999403
Go with the little girl. She is pretty strong and can carry shit and equip her

>>11999405
>>11999409
>>11999410
Alright, thanks. That was my first choice too.
Is there anywhere else I can get more party members?

>>11999405
>>11999409
>>11999410
I thought that getting the little girl from the slave trader in Derphy was better than the one handed to you in Vernis?

>>11999414
Increase your charisma. You pet cap increases by one for every 5 charisma you have (i.e. 15 charisma = up to 3 pets).

>>11999417
The girl you can buy in derphy comes at a higher level, I think the one you buy is level 5 and the one you get is level 1. They're identical besides that. I just keep the one I get because I just would rather get to grinding quests for money.

Also, I've been playing Elona+ over standard Elona lately and Jesus are dungeons a lot less annoying. I don't know what I was doing wrong but even with a decently stated warrior I couldn't clear the Puppy dungeons to save my life. Is it worth grinding small medals in Elona+ and if so, what's worth getting?

>>11999414
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ally

>>11999423
The rewards from the workshop are pretty great, so yeah, you should collect them asap.

If you're a shield user, the tonfa would be nice to use; if you run into invisible enemies often, the sage's helm; if you use a 1h sword, then Diablo. If you want more moe, get the catsister diary.

Small things like the scroll of faith, the tax master's tax box, rod of domination and hermes' blood are great too. If you're looking for end-game content, then the license to explore the void.

I'm thinking about buying a shop. Is the payout worth it?

>>11999448
Only if you like micromanagement. You need a pet with good negotation who works as a shopkeeper and you need to constantly drop your loot in there to actually make a decent profit.

>>11999448

It is usually better than just selling items, and you have chances to get good things. It really only shines when you have a pet with a great charisma stat and negotiation skill to look after it.

Master Thief is the best you can get in North Tyris in most cases.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Shop

>>11997987
- Choosing wizard for your class (10% mana cost reduction on spells, except the ones with fixed cost such as teleport and door creation), getting all the mana feats for +25 mana, and choosing Itzpalt for your god will help you a lot both early and later on.

- When short on books early on, remember to only read them once before depleting your stocks. You get progressively less stocks from reading the more you already have, so reading a 8 charges magic dart book might leave you with 300-400 stocks, while reading it one charge at a time can last you for as much as 600-700 in total.

- The potential of your spells goes up as you sleep, but only for spells you currently know. Never go to sleep before restocking any spell you exhausted. If you run out of books for a spell you're using, don't completely exhaust it, instead leave a few stocks so it can keep increasing its potential. When you find more books, you'll level it very fast.

- If you drain your mana too fast, consider having a lower level backup spell to kill weaker creatures, and only use your main spell on tough enemies.

- If you're not trying to play a pure character, don't be afraid to engage in melee with weaker monsters, to conserve your mana and spell stocks.

- Gear that enhances your spells is very important, but only the highest bonus from one piece of gear will apply. The Mag-Abyss is a frequent drop from any kind of lich, and also comes with some other attractive bonuses on top of spell enhancement, so I consider it a must-have for a mage, barring some extraordinary miracle/godly item.

- As soon as you can read Divine Wisdom, aquire as many books of it as possible and level it religiously. It gives you bonus magical damage which is handy for any tough encounter, and its literacy bonus is easier to increase than leveling the skill itself, which helps a lot with later books.

- Keep your meditation at a high potential (100%+). You don't always have the luxury of resting.

>>11999529
- Don't neglect your buffs. Holy shield and feather are extremely handy and easy to find even early on. Whenever you aren't dungeon crawling and your mana bar is idling at 100%, spam your buffs until you empty it. Doing this constantly will give you very powerful buffs and level your meditation for faster mana regeneration.

- While elemental spells are fun, magic damage spells are the most powerful due to enemy magic resistance not scaling. Don't be in a hurry to replace magic dart, it will remain useful for a long time if not forever.

- If you're trying to level a bolt spell later on, remember you can always cast it by targetting the ground under you using the * key. Unfortunately you have to repeat this for every cast. You can also aim your bolts at empty tiles, so you can kill invisible creatures by shooting a bolt at where you believe they are, if you don't have the see invisible mod.

- Hexes are another aspect of magic many players neglect. Slow can be extremely useful, and mist of silence is almost mandatory. It's hard to afflict bosses with them, and they last much fewer turns, but their power and success rate will increase as they level. Since enemies lose hex turns only every time they get a turn, using slow on an enemy and speed on yourself will create a huge turn gap that will keep your enemy just about frozen in time for a very long period.

- Carpentry isn't a bad idea to get early on. You'll be able to craft a ton of magic dart rods to supplement your spells. Leveling the magic device skill will also grant you magic gains.

- Magic is a crucial stat and doesn't have a shortcut to getting rapid increases the way some other stats have. Converting items with maintains magic to raw and eating them before dungeon crawling will help you make the most of your magic gains. Eating mandrakes, imps and talismans is also a good idea.

>>11999563
- Magic Capacity is often neglected because it's extremely difficult to increase early on. However, leveling it to 30 or so with skill points will make it easier to get further levels, and elea have it much easier. Focusing on it or ignoring it is a matter of personal prefference, but the artificial mana points it offers you can be a lifesaver in tough situations. Also, overcasting while out of combat environments is a good way to keep both your meditation and healing constantly increasing.

- While the warmage class offsets hard cast penalties to some extent, having any less than 100% cast chance is a huge weakness for a mage character. Even dual wielding light armor warmages' 99% cast chance can cripple you with an unlucky cast fail when in a tough situation. The 100% cast choices are light armor + two hand and light armor + unarmed (claws or tonfas don't penalize your cast chance). A pure mage will benefit from being able to equip 2 claws/tonfas with possibly useful bonuses, while a mage that doesn't shy from melee and can maintain light armor even with a heavy weapon will be able to supplement spells with very effective melee damage.

- Shadow Step is a crucial ability for melee characters, but can be incredibly useful for you as well. When that dragon has you in melee range, consider shadow stepping to the rabbit at the edge of your vision, and away from it, instead of teleporting, possibly in a room full of cluster bomb rocks or god knows what else.

- When you've invested sufficiently in magic vendors and have a large supply of money, buy wonder scrolls and bless entire stacks of them at a time. Some very useful spells (teleport other, restores) don't have books and meteor is just too fun to miss out on.

- Spells lose damage as they travel. While a big appeal of magic is the range, sometimes a very effective strategy is shadow stepping to your target and blasting it point blank. Remember to use Holy Shield first.

>140 posts
incredible.
anyway, since you faggots seem to have a great time with this game, I went and did a majin predator because. since some body parts are missing and I do shit damage I guess I fucked up, eh

>>11999403
One of the interesting things you can do in Plus is evolve some of your pets, which can improve them somewhat. The little girl has some decent evolutions, with her first one able to use Cheer, which gets you a speed boost. Finding the heart you need early on is very random, though.

>>11999423
The initial pet you get actually starts at a higher level, including higher stats and skills, if you pick it up when you're higher level yourself. I don't remember if it's 1:1, but the limit is about level 50. Interestingly enough, wishing for ally gets you the starter pet dialog again, and you can pick up one of the initial 4 again, giving you another chance to get one of those at a higher level. The advantage over doing it from level one is just that the stats are higher all-around at the same level.

Of course, wishing for an astral light pen might be better now that the level requirement to use it is only half the target's level.

>>11999434
Catsister diaries aren't rare enough that it's worth picking up with medals, at least in Plus. The Sage's Helm is usually a good pick up early, rather than having to wait for 40 faith for one of the god weps that can see invisible, but it's a disappointment stat-wise. The tonfas are also really strong early because of the damage boost it gives to your other weaps.

>>11999529
>>11999563
Pretty good advice, but maybe add that they should make a list of which literacy equipment they have, and put it in a pile to read tougher books.

>>11999743
Once you get far enough on the 2nd continent, you can sacrifice 10% of your life to get a random extra limb. If you feel like save-scumming, you can also occasionally get ether mutations that would normally make you lose a slot without much of a drawback. Mazin are missing head and arm, so you could always pick up an arm slot later and save scum the head ether mutation. The stat penalty for that one is probably not going to help with a predator, though.

The benefit of taking one of the player races is mostly the feat you get, so no matter which of the debug races you try there's a bit of a downside.

>>11999776
>stat penalty for that one
you mean, double head have negative penalities? or because of the malus of having too many mutations?

>>11999798
I was thinking the huge head removed the head slot, but it was the Ears of the Beast one. That one gives a 10 + (level/4) perception bonus in exchange for your head slot. Huge head was just stat bonus/penalty.

>>11999824
I saved that mutation while savescumming fast...
by the way, is 1.35 the most recent? I'm still at 1.30

What do you guys use to customize your character/party members? I only know of Loose Leaf.

Who the hell is this?

>>11999942
The exile. Look at the third eye.

>>11999948
...what's with the crusty hand?

I remember an old version of Elona with a ginormous quantity of custom character parts. how come there's so few now?

>>11999833

1.35 is the most recent version of Elona+.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmv7mo349ehd7l1/1HKVFYzJ0p/elonaplus

Link for the up to date version.

>>12000000
Nice numbers.

>>11999994
http://opipisama.blog.fc2.com/blog-category-13.html
Just use this dude, it has hundreds of parts. Goes in the PCCs folder.

>>12000000
Thanks.

>>11999929
Can't you just use any dresser? Or am I thinking of something else

>>12000043
Palmia.

What's the best place to grind performer?

This is going to be my first time playing this game.
How terribly will I fail?

>>12000197
>Snail
Well, you're in for a fun time in Palmia at least.

>>12000197
>snail
>snail wizard

I hope you're planning to have lots of pets or die repeatedly. Otherwise, have fun.

Though really I only recommend playing a snail if you've already played through the game a bit and understand it well.

>>12000043
I've heard of people using the spawning little sisters at the sister mansion to train performer, but don't know if that works or not.

>>12000256

It does work, quite well, but I don't know if the latest version of Elona+ changed that or not.

Is anyone have up to date info on moongates? Any profitable ones? (like unlimited wish npc or catbanks)

>>11999942
I always loved the exile from this guy, and it was too bad that one of the better sprite artists didn't do a sprite to go along with it.

The guy's pixiv page is here:

http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?id=248842

>>12000658
Just adding that although he didn't do the sprites, he did do a full portrait redraw for normal Elona, along with his versions of gods and servants.

>>12000506
why would you ruin your experience by enabling cheatmode (essentially what those moongates are)?
Granted, Elona isn't a very fun game to play legit but that doesn't mean if you cheat it'll be more fun.

I am never accepting another badger quest again.

>>12000769
You can dump your food on the ground against strong monsters that heal themselves with the backpack loot. You just have to remember to pick it up again afterwards.

>want to play claymore again
>magic hounds
I can't stand getting all my magic res's up again

>>12000197
>First time playing
>Snail

>>11997934
>>11997966
>>11997969
Thanks I'm been doing pretty well now.

How do get the potion of cure mutation and corruption? Do have to invest in the magic vendor? My character has been mutated to hell with bad dreams. My vendor is currently at level 27 but I see no potions or scrolls of return.

>>12001714

Magic vendors for cure mutation potions. Investing helps, but it's not completely necessary for them to be stocked.

For some reason they try to sell the cure corruption potions at 80k which is ridiculous. Just go to Palmia and win Blackjack 4 times in a row to get potions of cure corruption.

Why there isn't a final form skill? I can't play a game where my character doesn't transform into something! boboboring!

>>12001719
Also, save up your casino casino chips until a lucky day.

Marrying pets will also get you a potion, which I guess you could do with all the Gene Engineering fodder you pick up - just give them a load of engagement jewelwry.

>>12002100
There's a place to buy monster balls?

>>12002118
Yes, there is, but you need to beat the main quest to access it.

Until then, General stores and Moyer the crooked will sell them rarely, investing helps a bit. You can also find them occasionally in dungeons.

Man, so everyone that seriously plays with gene enginering have gone through all the main quest? that's pretty heavy. oh well
ah, there's a way to add more tiles to your home editor? I'd like to have bottomless pit in my place

>>12002129

It's not that bad getting through the main quest. Just keep on grinding, you'll get there soon enough, honestly.

>>11999994
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/file/Elona%20-%20Graphic%20Packs.zip
It's from the official site.

>>12000264
It's much harder in Elona+, because their "impress" lowers after every performance, and you don't get any exp after it's at zero, so you have to keep refreshing your younger sister stock by killing them.

>>12000506
There was one with 50 altars in a storage house, that you could convert easily, but it was removed/changed. You can't get almost anything from moongates anymore. You can't throw catbanks from the ground, and wish NPCs fail to cast their spell every time, or simply "nothing happens" when they do.

>>12002079
But you can use the power of friendship to kill things with hugs, and the power of love to heal and boost your loved companions right before dying.

>>12002118
Use scrolls of Ally to get cheap pets for gene engineering/marriage.

Just evolved my little girl into that valkyrie. Time to take her and my little evolved catsister out to conquer dungeons with magic and love! Lesimas shall know my might!

In Elona+ there still no way of changing your class without eloshack?

>>12003152
Somewhat.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Business_card

>>12001714
Cure mutation is sold more often than not by magic vendors around 50-ish invest level. You can also find them relatively frequently on dungeon floors. They can be crafted if you have 15 alchemy (all robes give you an alchemy bonus), and one if-all-else-fails solution is to put on a fairy hat to prevent further mutation, find a pumpkin and let it chuck potions at you; some of them will be cure mutation. Also, if bad dreams are your problem to begin with, consider equipping a fairy hat before sleeping.

Cure corruption is guaranteed from marriage (buy any mid-level slave and let it kill things in the puppy cave while giving it all the engagement jewelry you find on the floor; shouldn't take more than 10 minutes), fairly easy to get from blackjack (the house cheats something fierce but there's some patterns you'll notice), can also be found although less often on dungeon floors, and can be generated from any container, especially dungeon boss chests. Rushing through a few level 1 to 10 dungeons (or whatever you consider a non-threat) for the boss chest should get you a potion in decent time.

Remember that both potions function significantly better if blessed, in case you have mutations and corruptions in the dozens. Make sure to uncurse them with a blessed scroll of uncurse/vanish curse, if they are cursed, or the effect will be reversed, mutating you instead.

Just started a new game and my little girl is teleporting about like crazy. I assume I accidentally gave her something cursed, somehow. How do I uncurse a pet's equipment?

>>12003223
Give her a scroll of uncurse and hope for the best. The curse sometimes resists if the scroll is not blessed. If you play Elona+ you can ask a healer in town to uncurse your and your pets equipment for 2500 GP.

>>12003231
Oh, that's easy. Thanks, curse removed.

>>12003247
>Not letting your little girl be a teleporting dervish of death.
>Give her something cursed with bloodsucking so she constantly trains her healing skill.
>Your little girl is now Berserker.
>Give her the <Dragon Slayer>

Ho-hum. Can't say I blame you though.

>>12003247
A lot of questions in this thread are about basic things. Next time try out the wiki.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Cursed

How do I get there?

>>12003254

Also, this is actually something I plan to do with a Silver-Eyed Witch when I can capture one in this playthrough. Will take me a while to get that sword, though. Maybe I can be lucky enough to get a living weapon and build it appropriately.

>>12003258

Use a Teleport rod or scroll or spell on yourself and keep on trying until you get there. You could also leave the map for a bit and return and they should be reachable.

Unless that extends out from the land on the top of the map. Try there first. Then try my idea.

>>12003258
You can try lighting the water tiles on fire, they'll burn out and turn into walkable ground.
Best to do while its raining so you don't accidentally roast the whole town.

>>12003264

I don't remember if this works, but maybe they can cast Create Door on the water tiles to make a bridge.

Just found a evolution and another heart in the same lvl 30 dungeon. Lucky.

>>12003291

Wow that luck.
Meanwhile I decided to just grind out three living weapons abusing party time, just so that I have something to work with.

For a wizard, do you think a kitchen knife or a wakizashi seems better? I'm thinking kitchen knife for the lolz, plus the anatomy boost is more relevant than whatever wakizashi gives. My pets can probably use the wakizashis just fine, too.

I just wish I could have gotten a living weapon staff or whip. *sigh*

Do you guys feed your pets? They seem to survive without food so I just let them be, unless they decide to eat some random corpse off the ground.

>>12003502
They don't need it to live, but food does help increase their stats.

So I just killed Wynan the lord of the ancient castle.
now what?

>>12003567
Fire tower, and crypt of the damned, assuming you haven't done them yet.

>>12003582
But these are pretty high level.

>>12003588
Fire tower is level 15, and is really easy as long as you have great fire resistance.

Crypt of the damned can be hard, but I managed it at level 19, without too much trouble.

>>12003592
>level 15
I remembered much higher...
anyway, riddle me this: how can I avoid potential drop with a martial arts character? using weapons temporarily will fuck me up?

Is anyone using the Elona music pack some /jp/sie uploaded a while back? None of the songs are named, so I'm trying to figure out what mcDungeon4.mp3 is. I'm thinking it's from Tales of Symphonia but I can't find it.

>>12003598
how would it fuck you up?

>>12003430
I would take the wakizashi. Improved greater evasion is nice and I never had problems with getting corpses with the anatomy skill.
>>12003502
I always keep watch that they don't eat corpses from undead enemies like liches, skeletons, mummies, etc.
It can seriously knock down their attributes.

>>12003255
I've been reading the wiki constantly. I knew how to uncurse myself, I just didn't know how to uncurse my pets. I thought maybe I had to splash them with holy water or something, didn't know they were "smart" enough to use scrolls and potions on their own.

Can NPCs do the same? On my other playthrough the magician in Vernis is an annoying cunt that won't stop teleporting when I want him to appraise something, I bet he's cursed too.

>>12003258
If you just leave the map, take a step or two on the overworld, and come back, she should be in a different spot.

>>12003961
Yes, you can give every NPC those scrolls.

>>12003683

>I would take the wakizashi. Improved greater evasion is nice and I never had problems with getting corpses with the anatomy skill.

It looks like in Elona+ though, wakizashi gives "strengthens your ability to hide".

>>12003599
According to >>11313046 mcDungeon4 is from Steins;Gate.

>>12004119
Thanks dude. I got it mixed up somehow.

>>12004081
You're right. The wiki says it improves greater evasion. Someone should correct that.

Caster type bosses are the worst.

>>12003430
Most of the advantage of the kitchen knife is the 40% pierce on it. You probably wouldn't be doing much melee with your wizard, though.

>>12003598
It usually helps to do the dragon cave first, although Vesda is tougher than the bosses in the Tower. His corpse should get you or a pet enough fire resistance to not be affected by the fire damage in the tower, and the Gloves he drops will do one other person.

>>12004124
Some of tables are taken from a Google translated version of the E+ japanese wiki, so it's easy to confuse skills. It probably got confused with the katana somehow. It'd be more accurate to check each item individually, but if everything had to be done like that, a lot of the info would probably never be added.

Does control magic affect grenade blasts?

How exactly does talk.txt in the user folder work? I wanted to write some custom dialog for my ally, is there a way I can add multiple options for her normal dialog? Also, when I talk to her, there are some lines she says that aren't in the file.

>>12004681
It's supposed to, yes. In Plus, it also affects breath weapons.

>>12004676
Pets don't take damage from the fire in the Tower of Fire, only you do.

Does dual wielding bonuses affect unarmed also (two claws/tonfa)?
>>12004681
The damage?
>>12004773
>>12004676
If there's someone that's going to eat a boss that is me, not some lowly servant.
>cursed halberd [special]
guess I have to identify it...

>>12004786
Nope, claws, shields, and tonfa don't count as weapons.
Also, that halberd is the Rankis. You can find the non-random stats on the wiki

>>12004789
That's a pretty decent weapon

I started a new character today and spent a few minutes grinding the putits in the tutorial only to accidentally click through the "your first pet" screen and choose a fucking dog instead of a little girl. I decided to go with it instead of going through the character creation process all over again.

Now I've got some money to spare, I've already bought a Juere Infantry and I'm wondering if I should just sell the dog since he can barely equip or use anything.

>>12004800

Buy a ranch and slaughter the dog and put the meat on the drying rocks to make jerky out of him. Because he's a jerk.

Also, you can still get a little girl from the slave trader in Derphy. Or you can wish for "friend" or "ally" to get the same dialogue menu if you want to pretend that you got the little girl in the first place.

It's worth it if you ever get an evolution heart item so that you can evolve her into a sweet valkyrie that has the cheer action.

>>12004800

I started with a dog on my character since I didn't know the difference and I'd rather have a dog than a little slut anyway. I kept him around for the very early stages and bought a Juere Infantry and ditched the dog when my party slots became too full.

I guess what I'm trying to say is your starting pet is garbage that will be replaced early on anyway. I don't know why everyone puts so much emphasis on it.

>>12004773
Wait, seriously? So their equipment won't get destroyed by fire?

>>12004809

>I guess what I'm trying to say is your starting pet is garbage that will be replaced early on anyway. I don't know why everyone puts so much emphasis on it.

I keep my little girl for a good while, and even evolve her. Also, there's emphasis on it because she can be extremely reliable early on when it's harder, until you get established.

Anyway, I may not use her forever, but I'll keep her on for a while longer, especially since I evolved her.

>>12004812

No, you should still give them fireproof blankets or fire resist or both. What he's saying is that they won't take environmental damage from the tower. You know, the constant fire damage that happens regularly which is why you need good fire resist to go there in the first place.

Damn it.

>>12004808
>Also, you can still get a little girl from the slave trader in Derphy.
Oh I know, I was just asking if the dog is worth keeping at all.
So I guess I should just sell the dog and get another Juere infantry?

>>12004800
Can't you just frankenstein the dog up into something with gene splicing?

>>12004852
That's way beyond me, I just started this game a few days ago.
I ended up selling the dog and getting a second Juere infantry.

Crystal Bird Skybirds is probably the most unlucky player alive

I've been trying to find portrait sets that work with the latest version, but I really had no luck with it. I really want to use something other than the defaults, and I'm probably not looking hard enough. Anyone have any that work?

>>12004966
Just find any image with a face you like, crop it, and then resize it.

>>12004974
I was referring to the default portrait set; the one you find in the graphics subdirectory of the game. I've seen a couple of them before but they simply don't function because they don't match the size of the original file.

>>12003155
But is there a way to gain other classes feats?

>>12004992
Couldn't those just be cropped and resized to replace specific portraits? You could paste them on to the default portrait file, though the art would be inconsistent .

>>12003155
If you mean by getting different class feats, there isn't any way to do that.

>>12004992
Yeah, the larger face.bmp portraits are for different Elona mods that seem to have a common origin. I was thinking they were increased to a standard size of 80x112 from the face.bmp's 48x72. Some people played Omake when Elona originally went down, but since there was no english for the new stuff it wasn't really playable. The portrait and sprite artist for E+ is pretty good, but I always like a change too.

The Scrap for Elona guy that did those has a link on his front page to a downsized version for old Elona. You'd still have to paste it over the E+ page since there really aren't any alternates for the newer E+ people other than the Gods.

I am pretty sure this links to the actual bmp file, which might save you some time. Keep in mind that the blogging site redirects some files that originally appear to be .bmp files to a .jpg version. It should tell you if the file is a jpg in your title bar when you open it in a new tab by itself. The jpg compression ruins the images, so be careful.

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-n9A25wN9h5g/UMxRKOLsI0I/AAAAAAAAD8A/sF8_i_E1kVY/s1600/face1_def.bmp

>>12005008
My bad, that was one of the redirectors hahaha.

The real one should be here:

https://sites.google.com/site/scrapforelona/home/warehouse/old_face1.zip?attredirects=0&d=1

>>12005012
So you can replace the original portraits in the folder with this one?

>>12005013
Not directly, it requires a bunch of editing. E+ moves around a couple portraits, but the main issue is that it adds another line to each of the male and female sections. At the very least, it has to be moved down a bit. With just those portraits (without resized versions of his other ones), it'd look something like this, although this isn't finished either.

>>12005013
I've been telling you
All you have to do is crop and resize the replacements and then paste them over the ones that will be replaced.

>>12005002

Read the wiki. You get the class-based feat when you use the business card to change your class, but you only have one class-based feat.

You won't be able to get every class-based feat.

>Turn in first little sister of this playthrough.
>See cooler box as an option.
>Now have two cooler boxes for eight portable refrigeration slots.

Words can't describe how awesome this is. Before... well, all that matters is now I can store lots of corpses in the field without concern.

Does anyone have an "Ib" type sprite for an ally? I want a palette knife wielding, portrait smashing girl like Garry did.

>>12005040
Thanks a lot. I can work from this; I know the artist's pixiv has more portrait sets that I can resize. I don't mind that there's a bit of an art dissonance because I won't be seeing the portraits on the lower bit as often (especaially with the way I play).

>>12005045
Just to clarify, >>12005013 is not me so I'm sorry if any grievance was caused to you from thinking it was me :( I'm taking your advice to heart and getting to work on the set.

>>12005091
Mind uploading a resize of the sheet if you do it? I don't think anyone has publicly posted any e+ portrait sheets.

I put my faith in Kumiromi of Harvest!

Best god

>>11998990
Have any more Golden Knight sprites? I'm looking for a decent replacement.

>>12005130
This sheet is the only other one I know I have that I forgot to add to that sheet. I was trying to get them all in one place since they can be pretty hard to find on one folder, and using the 1000 layer sprite sheet with individual sprites monstrosity that I usually mess with isn't very efficient when I want to look for something.

There's a PC sprite sheet that I like, but the problem with it is that the originals that are separated into bits on the guy's site are squashed into the weird ratio that the original Elona games used, so it doesn't look as nice. I have the one from his pixiv site, but it's too large and would have to be manually resized. Pick your poison on that one. I'll post the pixiv one in a moment.

>>12005154
PCC parts are here:

http://vkyo.web.fc2.com/pcc.html

>>12005157
Just remembered that I DID convert that sheet for my personal use. Can't remember if it looks lousy ingame or not. It's here anyway.

>>12005154
Nice, thank you.

What sites did you find all of these in?

>>12005168
A lot of normal sprites get posted to the Elona uploader here:

http://www.elonaup.x0.com/sozai/index.htm

There's also a small archive here:

http://sasikaelona.web.fc2.com/main.html

Other than than, Pixiv's Elona tag is another decent one, but it can take a long time to find good sprite artists.

Sometimes when I log on the game opens the log with "the [name here] goes wild with joy, "[thing!!]". [Thing] happens/appears/etc." What is going on there? It often looks like another player is making a wish, but I didn't think the game would be telling me about that.

>>12005243
They are making wishes. If you're connected to the internet, the game makes periodic reportings of what's happening in other players' sessions, like when they die or what they wish for.

>>12005247
Makes sense, I guess it's just a weird coincidence that I've only ever seen it immediately after login. Good job getting that potion of potential, Sia.

ブレイドβ (Blade Beta) was translated as Blade Alpha.

What the hell.

Bell dungeon bosses are horrible. I wonder if nuclear bombs do full damage to them, if they do I'd level my 4d pocket enough to hold a nuke just for events like this.

>>12005389

That looks like it was fun. I loved the part where in the middle of the fight you identified the cursed speed upper potion, read a blessed uncurse scroll, and then quaffed the potion. I mean, really?

Anyway, the last ditch overcast killer move proc crystal spear was pretty epic.

So you carry blessed scrolls of uncurse but not scrolls of mana?

>>12005406
>you identified the cursed speed upper potion, read a blessed uncurse scroll, and then quaffed the potion

That was silly, I know. I'm paranoid that speed upper mechanics will change someday so the cursed version makes you lose speed instead. It's not very likely, but I won't run out of identify and uncurse scrolls anytime soon either.

I do carry mana scrolls, the overcast was intended. I kept trying to kill it either with crystal spear or shining wave which does a little bit more damage and after failing about a dozen times I decided to cast crystal spear until I'd start overcasting, so the damage from overcasts could boost my gauge to 99% and trigger diffusion wave, then switch to spamming shining wave. This strategy thankfully worked, because I was just about ready to give up.

I've been wandering this damn world map for over 30 minutes looking for an almost non-existent spot, what am I doing wrong? I haven't unlocked any new areas, but I've spent almost 2 in-game months looking for this treasure trove from a map.

>>12005418
> I decided to cast crystal spear until I'd start overcasting, so the damage from overcasts could boost my gauge to 99% and trigger diffusion wave,
Wow, risky. I love it.

>>12005423
If you're on the spot you're sure is the marked spot, Dig, centered on yourself on the world map.

>>12005423
Post a screenshot of your map.

>>12005424
I know how to find it, the question is where the heck it is.

>>12005426
Here you go.

>>12005430
Up north from Palmia, right before the white zone with the sisters' mansion starts.

750 hours. By this point I have exhausted all the possibilities of the game. I can easily take on all 8 inner gods at once despite far lower stats.

Got questions about the lategame? ask them.

>>12005430
Protip: Dungeons and cities don't appear on the treasure map. I had a treasure buried under Yowyn and the Truce Ground once.

>>12005448
>>12005439
Jesus Christ, I must have past over that place twice because of a dungeon over it. Much thanks.

>>12005289
It tries retrieving logs every time you stay still for a while, if "constantly connect" is on in the network options.

>>12005446
I think 750 hours is enough. Maybe you'll have something else to do in the future new continent.
Did you do anything specific to get to level 395?

>>12005465
it was just a side-effect of the way I grind Meteor using the Void. a casting kills everything in a level and I get a shitton of XP.

i tried elona i relly dont get it at all

>>12005472
you need to be a girl to enjoy it

There is a way to change the size of the sprites?
I wanted to make a propely huge dragon riding one

>>12005617
If you mean the animated PCC ones, there isn't. You're stuck with 32x48 boxes, and as far as I know there's no way to use a static 48x48 sprite for your PC, even with Elosnack/Cheatengine. It'd be enough if the PC could use 48 pixel width sprites instead of 32, but apparently the modders never thought it was important. Since they could change the size of some things in other mods like the 80x112 NPC portraits shown above, it's a shame that the customization options weren't expanded a bit more.

In case anyone was interested in the difference between a starter little girl vs. a new wished for one when your character is 50+, here's a comparison. It's kind of hard to tell how much she'd gain stat-wise once she was gene-engineered to a comparable level.

Someone who concentrated on fewer pets than I did would probably have the skills quite a bit higher, since I couldn't afford to use the dojo much to raise skill potential at that point. But, if someone wanted to use a wish at a higher level to start using a new little girl, it doesn't turn out that bad.

>>12005514
yeah if you're a faggot

I....Whoops.

>>12005794
to add insult to injury

>>12005794
Some people do wish for those on purpose, since you can put them in a ranch and farm their meat, which gives speed boosts. It's probably not worth it unless you really wanted to spend a lot of AP on other stuff besides speed, though.

>>12005810
Can't find my screen of missing 2 in a row on consecutive quaffs. I just hate how hard it is to get wishes that don't come from fountains now.

>>12005847
Oops, forgot to comment on my image here. Did anyone bother to summon this guy? Takes forever.

What would be the best skill to learn next if I already have weight lifting, cooking, and negotiation?

>>12005930
Jeweller maybe?
It depends on what you want.
Traveller is pretty much always a good option.

>>12005930
Gene engineer to give your pets more skills?

>>12005930

It's best to get the skills that train themselves passively as soon as possible. Get Travelling.

>>12005930
Sense quality so you can decide which loot is worth keeping, detection so you can gather from (most) sampling spots, or lockpicking to open doors and containers, assuming you have none of them already.

Thanks I'll get traveling, sense quality, and gene engineering then. At first I just assumed some of these were useless.

>>12006023
traveling passively trains speed, sense quality saves you a lot of time+money deciding what to pick up and what not to pick up / avoiding cursed things. Gene engineering will let you have more useful pets+body parts

>>12006100
Traveling doesn't just passively train speed, it also trains every other stat by training skills you don't normaly use (medium armor if you're wearing light, dual wield if you're using two hand, so on). And Gene Engineering impacts your ability to gather from gene sampling spots, most notably fairy dust which is used for lightsabers(100% pierce longswords), with carpentry and bulletproof jackets(great dv/pv with the right materials), with tailoring. It's also a great way to boost learning, since buying slaves and fusing them over and over trains learning at an enormous rate (5-6 learning per 100k spent on slaves or so). But learning is sort of an useless stat outside a small amount of MP.

>>12006137
learning gives you more skill points on level up. saves a lot of plat later on.

>>12006139
>learning gives you more skill points on level up.
You might want to reread the wiki article about learning. Especially the comments section.

>>12006146
Doesn't high Learning increase skill exp gain itself?

How can I make a maximum survivability character? should I make a warrior or start with tourist?

>>12006948
>start with tourist
There's basically no reason to do this, unless you REALLY like grinding.

As for which other class you should use, it depends on what you mean by survivability.

>>12006976
Being harder to kill than the feeling in the bones of the Mima anon
but no dwarf or golem, the low speed is annoying

>>12006989
Well, any class and race (other than snail) will do, as long as you have the right equipment and enough training. You won't be hard to kill at the start, no matter what you pick.

Also, Dwarfs don't have a speed penalty.

>>12006989
Be a claymore so you start training greater evasion from day 1.

>>12007017
Dully noted.
>>12007044
...what happens when I get hit?

>>12007044
There's not much point in that, it's not a hard skill to train.

>>12007054
>...what happens when I get hit?

That's what a high PV is for. Even if you focus on PV, evasion and greater evasion are both very important.

Greater evasion lets you dodge crits, which you otherwise can't dodge. Very important, even for a PV character.

>>12007082
Technically, Greater evasion doesn't actually dodge crits - it's just the Greater evasion roll takes place before the crit roll, so if an attack is dodged by it, it won't get a chance to crit.

>>12006948
Start with predator, it gives you a +10 bonus to speed. You can later switch to whatever class feat you like with business cards from blackjack. Suggested defensive classes: wizard (10% mana cost reduction means you can heal more, buff yourself more, and debuff your enemies more), priest(25% bonus healing) or warmage(5% higher cast chance if you're wearing a shield or heavier armor).

Race: fairy if you really like grinding (you can farm little sisters and turn them in for hero cheese, fixing your life penalty and becoming an evasion/resistance juggernaut), golem if you like grinding but not too much (speed can be fixed, dim immunity helps against some monster types), elea if you're a beginner (resistance to magic reactions and ether corruption).

God: opatos (10% physical damage reduction, str and con for more life), itzpalt (elemental resistance, magic and meditation for more mana to heal yourself with), jure (will for life and mana, bonus to healing and magic capacity).

Weapons: weapon/unarmed and shield (bonus pv, damage decrease and nullification on shield, cast penalty), weapon/unarmed and claw/tonfa (no bonus pv, damage decrease and nullification on tonfa/claw, no cast penalty).

Spells: level holy shield, feather, resistance, regeneration and holy veil.

>>12007104
I'm not sure if the business card thing works in Elona+.

Also, it's not too big a deal which race you pick. Fairy and Mutant (and snail) are the only ones significantly different from the others. For instance, Golem's dim immunity is nice, but you can get the same thing other ways - enough sound resist, and insult will do nothing, and so on for the other sources.

The Warmage feat is generally the most useful, so it's probably best to go with that, though I suppose you could also get some use from priest.

I wouldn't recommend fairy for a defensive type, it's very grindy, and the DV bonus gets less useful the further you go.

>>12007131
it does, but you have to be specific with the capitalization. someone in a thread recently tested it and confirmed it still working.

I'm playing a fairy "gunmage" (gunner with support spells) and man is the equipment weight restriction frustrating for a gunner. Just finding things that weigh less than a weight unit is hard, and scrolls of inferior material seem to turn everything to shit.

>>12007104
>you can farm little sisters and turn them in for hero cheese
wow lewd

So I'm about to start doing the rounds on the gods since I got enough favor with the first one to get the special gift, but when I go to the truce grounds it won't let me 'p'ray at another god's altar to worship that god instead. It just makes me pray to my current god.

Any help on what could be causing this and how to fix it?

>The red baptist casts a spell.
>The bolt hits you.
>Your 5 scrolls of oracle turn to dust.

>>12006146
I think one of the Elona mods DID do something like that, so it ended up as a rumor in other versions.

>>12006723
I think the learning stat gives a chance to double skill experience when you use whatever skill. The last time I saw someone talking about it, I don't think he said how often this happens, though.

>>12006989
Riding gets rid of problems with low speed until you can buy speed with AP in the second continent. The golem's anti-dim ability is also great because nothing else resists that status effect.

>>12007044
The difference between the classes is mostly starting skills/stats and the class feats in Plus. Once you use a character enough in a certain way, the differences are negligible. Claymores have a nice built in 100% pierce skill that activates randomly, so that would be a better reason to pick them up than anything else.

>>12007345
I've run into more problems with bullet weight than anything else, so I can imagine how tough it would be to keep everything under 1s.

>>12007505
I don't think the current version is supposed to have bugs with this, so maybe you could try to make a new character, head right to the truce grounds, and see if you can convert to a god right after selecting the first one.

I suppose you could also try to backspace+enter reset the map to see if there's some kind of error with the actual map, too. The truce grounds doesn't have anything you can really screw up by doing that.

>>12007607

>I don't think the current version is supposed to have bugs with this, so maybe you could try to make a new character, head right to the truce grounds, and see if you can convert to a god right after selecting the first one.

This works, but...

>I suppose you could also try to backspace+enter reset the map to see if there's some kind of error with the actual map, too. The truce grounds doesn't have anything you can really screw up by doing that.

Did that. No luck.

Can someone share up to date monster girl sprite sheet please?

>>12007607
>>12007631

So I figured out the problem. I had been carrying around an altar that was already attached to my god (I had given plenty of flying scrolls and blessed bottles of water to my new character when I created the gene for this one, and it doesn't take too many blessed flying scrolls to make altars portable, so I picked one up in a dungeon. Also really good for training weight lifting, even with heavily reduced weight.)

Problem solved. Wow I feel stupid now.

>>12007641
Or your own custom spite sheets

Looks like we'll need a new thread soon

So, for my god-tour for this character, I'm actually going to summon each god at the Truce Grounds using either wishes from the wells (all dry now, unfortunately) or rods of wish, to get the final joke item from them and to have them manifest at the Truce Grounds. Unfortunately I only have one more rod of wish to put my third god on the Truce Grounds.

Does anyone else do this, or is it just me? I just think it's a cool idea. Every god with every altar.

>>12007641
puu.sh/7o1If


I've got a new version coming soon though.

>>12007828
I have four of the eight inner gods tied up in sandbags in my home. if I ever get to lvl 600 I'm going to use astral light pens on them.

>>12007987
How kinky.

>>12007987
>I have four of the eight inner gods tied up in sandbags in my home.
>inner gods
>in my home

Hope you're using a basement for that, buddy.
(I have like three basements. Now I'm thinking I should have put the gods in my bottom-most basement instead of the Truce Ground.)

750 hour guy here. I think it's time I cleared up some misconceptions.

- PC speed doesn't matter shit. I'm serious. This is because if you don't start with Riding, then the first 15 plats you earn should go to the trainer in Yowyn, where you can also get a cheapass horse that fixes all your speed issues. From that point on, it will ALWAYS be easier to get a faster riding pet than levelling up your own speed (especially since you can trade PC speed for PV or body parts later).

- What's the easiest race? It is, without a question, Golem. +60 Life is huge, dim resistance is nice, and the speed penalty doesn't matter (see above). Worst race? Fairy. Even by 750th hour I don't have enough scrolls of flying to make all my equipment <1s. Some extra resistances and DV just isn't worth the pain.

- what class should I pick? It doesn't really matter, since all classes will get all skills by midgame. Even class feats can be gotten with the name card. Pick something that gives skills you want early. When you go mage, you probably want to convert to Warmage, since the +5% casting chance is huge.

- DV or PV? PV. I've checked using Elosnack, even at 10000+ DV with 2000 Greater Evasion I still get hit a good amount of time by Inner gods. It's kinda crappy. PV, on the other hand, reduces damage by flat percentages.

- what weapon should I use? Ranged at start. Makes it easier to run away when things go pear shaped, and it doesn't have penalties with Riding. Convert to Magic later (by which I mean the buff spells + Magic Storm for DPS). Forget melee, your pets will always be better at it than you.

>>12007993
yep. basement.

sandbags are great. I have a shining hedgehog tied up so I can get ether diseases under controlled conditions, a slime so that I can acidify my weapon to -200, and a Spirit tied up next to the fishing pond so that I can Drain Blood when I'm tired from the fishing.

>>12007995

You have some good points, but I just like playing fairy, and flying scrolls aren't that bad, but then again I got a ton from my previous character's gene.

The low life is pretty nasty, though, but not without a solution. Besides, you're supposed to have a pet or several to block the way for you. They're the ones who are supposed to get all your massive PV gear, barring the few pieces that you can use just two or three flying scrolls on to make wearable, if you want PV.

Then again I haven't made it to super late game so whatever.

Plus, there is a really good point that PV is worth much more than DV and that you can improve your speed either through in-game boosts or just by riding.

I'm kind of wondering if there's a way for me to change my race now, or if it's too late. Not that I really want to, just that I don't know if there is a way. Maybe I will change my race to something else if I can.

>>12008015
it's up to personal preference. I've started a snail tourist just for the hell of it.

having said that, fairies are just annoying to play. a large part of the game is getting shiny new equipment, so it sucks if you can't use it. also, late game it's nice to do things without babysitting your pets, so you do need survivability.

the only way I can think of to change your race is through elosnack. there's a consumable item that lets you change the name of your race, but that's just cosmetic.

>>12008023
p.s. lategame, your pets become WAY more survivable than you (they'll have 10x your health even for golems), so all the best gear should go to the PC. especially since Resurrection is pretty easy to cast.

>>12008031
>since Resurrection is pretty easy to cast
There's a resurrection spell? The books I found only give 1 resurrection per charge.

what enemies are these?

>>12008040
there is. easiest way to get it is to buy up a shitton of scrolls of wonder, bless a whole stack, and read it all.

this also gets you Wizard's Harvest (pretty frequent) and the occasional Wish (about once every 400 scrolls).

>>12008023

If I do use elosnack to change my race, are there consequences, does it break things? Or does it just alter that one spot and I can go on playing like everything is as it was except that now I'm not a fairy?

>>12008052
Hmm. Guess I know on what I'll be spending my millions for the time being.

>>12007999
Those are good ideas.

>>12008055
I imagine you just have to get rid of the feat that limits you to <1s equipment, and maybe get rid of the innate resistances. everything else is cosmetic/ in-game alterable anyway.

>>12008040

Yep, there's a spell. I have 600 stocks that I got from a bunch of blessed wonder scrolls. I also have one book, but I'm not going to use that unless my spell stocks are all depleted, or I'm out of mana.

>>12008062

Yeah, but I'd also have to make my life stat and mana stat comparable to what another race would have (I won't touch speed as I've already been able to boost it plenty, and I don't know how much I'd have to change.). Plus I might have to add other feats related to that race. Gah.

>>12008065
you could always just pass on a gene.

>>12008062
>>12008065

Screw it, I'm fine having to use flying scrolls. It gives me a constant sense of purpose for things I need to acquire and whatnot. So if I find new gear I need to either change its material or use blessed flying scrolls or both. As for boosting life, I guess I just need to get a lot of the life boost feat and hunt down little sisters.

>>12008066
>you could always just pass on a gene.

Yes, and have to grind all over again. I mean, guess I could, but I'll still be reusing a lot of stuff that my fairy has. I think I'll go through quite a bit of progression first before I do that. At least to where I can bequeath some awesome monster balls to my successor so that they can start out with a really awesome mount and minion. And some solid gear that's not precious. And some of it will be under 1s anyway, just because it's coming from me.

Is there anything special you need to do to set up the little sister interface? I put it in user/graphic but I don't see any little girls.

Anyone have any good female Android sprites, before she evolves? Gunner-type sprites work, too.

>>12008046
left: Ramiel EX
right: Getter Elona 1

>>12007593
>Finally find pedo mansion
>Book of Rachel 4
>Yay!
>go back to Vernis tomb
>the other three books of Rachel have disappeared

>>12008099
Hah, got a chuckle out of me at least.
I guess they're unimplemented? they've been on the sprite sheet forever but no amount of bestiary digging brought anything up.

>>12008077
Did you rename the file appropriately?

>>12007940
Nice! looking forward to it

>>12007940
...do you make those?

>>12008412
a few. Others are from pixiv and the uploader, or threads here.

>>12008412
Oh whoops, misread. I make the spritesheets out of either sprites i've made, or ones i've got off pixiv and the uploader.

New patch is out.

>>12008780
I'm not seeing it.

>>12008976
http://www1.axfc.net/u/3209830.zip

>>12008780
I might make an attempt at "translating" the google translate version of the changelog this time if there isn't a proper translation again.

The first note is that they implemented the item_xxx.bmp thing in the user folder, so you can replace a single item sprite the same way you can with the chara_xxx.bmp stuff. That's a nice change.

They link to this pic in the changelog, which seems like a really odd change:

http://www.elonaup.x0.com/src/up12851.png

>>12008992
I certainly hope this is just an april fools joke.

>>12008992
Can't be absolutely sure about some of the changes without having to actually check ingame. They do mention that shotgun damage reduction goes from 10-06-03 to 10-08-05 and
handgun damage reduction goes from 10-09-07-05-03 to 09-10-08-06-03. There's a mention of some laser gun nerf, but not sure if it's just a slight base damage reduction or not.

>>12009045
Thank god for that. The ranged weapon modifier were ridiculous. Anything else? Like the hit bonus of sniper rifles or something?

>>12009175
No, but there was a new bullet type called magnums added that seems to be slightly more damage in exchange for a hit penalty.

There is some weight related change that google translate poops out like this:

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· Accuracy of weapons, as increased by the blessing and strengthening value of the weapon.
And correction of +1 to get to damage or modify PV 10s to weight each of the current equipment.
Differs from changes due to feather scrolls once the following points mainly.

(It does not depend on the dice value) with any equipment, a certain bonus.
+20 Is an upper limit in the 200s in each equipment.
Adjustment is easy and is corrected by the system and do not modify the data item.
Is a correction of the relative weight of the current rather than the change in weight, it does not drop from the capacity of the original can be lightened.
Future adjustments may enter the correction amount.
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So it seems like there's a damage/accuracy or PV bonus if the equipment is heavier, +1 per 10 stones up to +20 at 200s. So, a 24s plate mail is going to add +2 to PV. I honestly don't remember the exact changes to feather scrolls now, but using a couple of those on the 24s armor didn't lower it's PV, other than losing +1 from being under 20s.

The tag team thing shown above is also pretty strange. There is also a new "equal basis" number under impress. Not sure what makes this go up, since killing stuff while tagging didn't seem to work for me or the pet.

Interacting with yourself or a pet lets you choose "Tag organization", and gets you a Tag Force SA the first time you use it. Couldn't get the SA to do anything, but it's probably related to the above number.

You also move really fast, so it's hard to control where you're going.

The google shit is this if anyone wants to try to figure it out:

System fully implemented to create a duo. + Fellow fellow, PC + companion, (PC + horse) + fellow can.
The hottest tag able to produce the highest! Sample: Http://Www.Elonaup.X0.Com/src/up12851.Png
If fellow + fellow, one character only damaged the entire attack in tag.
Specifically, (and even Meteor or nuclear explosion) that protect the more and more often in opposition role in the current HP is less.
In addition, there is support skills that strengthen the capacity and recovery of the tag.
Characters on the left take the initiative of movement and organization in the tag. Right will be unexploded move action.
Do not scroll in settings that screen scrolling while the PC is team up.
(To come with tag partner while jumping high repetition side in relation to the drawing order when scrolling)
Rate is unified character of the slower. It is difficult to understand the physical strength somewhat length gauges becomes half.

>started 1.35 tw days ago
I'm okay for now, thanks

>>12008110
To what?
I'm going off the pastebin in the /vg/ roguelike general, and it just links to an image and gives no instructions.

>>12009429
you replace the image that has the same parts with the new one, and rename the new one to match what the old one was called.

>>12009429
>/vg/ roguelike
they still do those?

>>12009435
Oh duh, thanks.

>>12009518
Yeah, they're reasonably popular. I don't read them though because all they play is DCSS.

Why I die like a bitch so much. my life goal was just to molest young ladies...

It is alive! It only took 100 hours worth of panties crafting materials.

>>12009642
I'm sure that have been a pantieful experience

How does one update game versions without destroying their save?

>>12009686
You should just be able to write over your old version, as long as you're not trying to go backwards. The only thing they usually recommend is that you save your game in an actual town before updating.

>>12009686
1. move the saved character data in save folder outside the game
2. put folder in new version
3. play

>>12009696
>>12009701

Ah, for some reason I thought it would be a lot more complicated.

Can someone explain item quality to me? I just found a pair of Godly composite boots with DV 1 and PV 0. It doesn't seem like it affects anything to me.

>>12009807

It's probably made of raw or some other bullshit. If you just change the item's material to something decent it will have decent DV and PV, probably.

Also, the RNG plays a huge factor in armor's DV and PV. Sometimes they won't have many bonus effects at all, or they'll have many negative ones. Seriously, you should know this by now.

>>12009807
A godly item has a high bonus to PV and DV. Your item likely has low PV and DV due to a bad material or an item type mismatch (cloth breastplate or metal feather). You can improve it by using a material kit to change its material to something useful, since you can't use scrolls on godly items.

Godly items also have many more bonuses (stats, skills, resistances, etc) than miracle items. This does not necessarily mean they are always better, however.

You need to look at your item's bonuses and the base item type (a heavy boot or a robe won't do you much good), to decide if it's worth spending a material kit on.

>>12009706
There's some stuff that can cause problems, but all the game does is check for the sav_charname folders in it's save folder. You can even copy your game save folder to the same folder, and play that character like a different character. That's nice for if you want to play around with some kind of thing that's going to auto-save, and want a restore point in case it ends up as a total disaster.

>>12009820
In addition to this, as far as material kits go, the godly quality item would need to be a top tier in the item class with amazing bonuses to spend a good material kit on it. Something like plate mail as adamantite can go over 100 PV easily. Not sure about the exact number since it's been a while, but it's a decent improvement.

The problem is that material kits are also the only things that can change living weapon material, too. Which means if you want to screw around making some level 15 +40 weapon, or a weapon with huge tactics or marksman bonuses, that's the only way to get the things to decent materials.

A noobie question.

I died on a what I think is called a "local map":
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Death
Is there some way to get my equipment back?

I'm not 100% sure on which tile it happened.
Is there some indication?

>>12009968
Where exactly did you die? Have you moved around on the world map or spent time wandering since you died?

>>12009972
I died on the road between my home and vernis.

I tried entering the tile, where I think that I died, but I couldn't find anything.

>>12009989

Those map locations are randomized and not saved. If you die in a randomized and not saved location, then things you have dropped are unrecoverable from that location.

>>12009998
B-but thats unfair!

>>12010024
Such is Elona.

>>12010024
Fight the injustice by closing the game before it saves (closing at the final words entry box works well).

Any recommendations to get started in this game?

>>12010070
From a noob to a noob:
Roll Elea wizard or warrior (if you've played other roguelikes you'll be fine), pick the little girl, do fetch quests until you get 15 plat, go to yowyn and buy gardening, spam "harvest time" quests, now you have all the platinum you want and your attributes are much higher, continue with the rest of the game.

>>12010070
There are a guides in some places, but they're kind of outdated if you're planning on playing Plus. I would probably say, go in expecting to die a lot, don't expect to be able to kill anything for a long time, and expect to have to toss your first character once you know what you're doing. And don't worry about the main quest too much right away, just explore some.

Other than that, don't try to learn too much stuff beforehand since it gets confusing. If you run into something and want to know how it works, you can probably find some decent info on the wiki for whatever the topic is.

Is anyone else finding plain "corpses" from monsters? All unnamed.

>>12009642
Where does one acquire pantsu?

>>12010086

Why does everyone talk about throwing out their first character? I've only ever made one character and stuck with it. You have to fuck up pretty bad to not be able to ever play on it again.