/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Epic. I love the new hour thread limit so I can see more of stuff like this.

>>11925075
there should be a thirty minute post limit so we don't have to see shitty posts

>>11925077

I thoroughly enjoy touhou threads.

>>11925094
you came to the right place

Pershings are pretty sexy tanks.

>>11925107
Regardless of how effective thy were, they are certainly beautiful. Much prettier than fascist boxes.

Can we have 2hus operating thread please?

>>11925114
Janitor will delete it.

>>11925114
Yes please. I lost most of my operator pics when my old HDD nuked itself.

>>11925112
Nazi box tanks had their own charm.

Even Gensokyo is not free from America's influence.

>>11925125
If you like unreliable, poorly-designed, poorly-manufactured, Hitler-dick-compensating war losers, then sure, I guess..

God bless America.

>>11925069
She's reaching for the giant hamburger in the sky

>>11925129
>unreliable
Depends on the model. Most kinks were quickly worked out on all production models.
>poorly-designed
So poorly designed the mention of "Tiger" caused dread in allied troops
>poorly-manufactured
No
>Hitler-dick-compensating
Well, can't argue with that one

>>11925107
Except they weren't. They were actually pretty bad. So bad they withdrew them from Korea and used older M4A3E8s instead, and got the Patton up to the front lines as fast as possible.

>>11925234
>unreliable
Panther's final drives lasted about 90mi (see postwar French testing). The tank also enjoyed lighting itself on fire and the transmisison destroyed itself if driven hard. More Tiger IIs were lost to mechanical failures then enemy fire (not that the armor was impenetrable US 76 and Brit 17pdr guns easily knocked it out)

>poorly designed
Front drive sprockets in every tank means every tank is a foot or so higher than it needs to be, and takes up additional space in the hull. The TIger may have been scary, but that does not excuse 1930s armor shape and transmission on a 1940s tank. The Panther lacked a panoramic sight for the gunner, so he was effectively blind and needed to be walked onto target by the TC, a process which took on average 30 seconds.

>poorly manufactured
German armor metallurgy was shit for the whole war. Plates cracked, splintered, and spalled instead of spreading and stretching as properly-hardened armor does. The Panther's engine fires were never fixed and the fuel lines leaked.

If you insist I'll post sources but I don't feel like spending half an hour digging them up. Also, if my previous experience with Nazi armor fetishists online is indicative, then you will call any source I post BS and cite inflated kill claims and anecdotal evidence.

>>11925262
The Panther got more reliable over time. D had a lot of problems, including a badly designed mantlet that had a tendency to deflect fire down into the driver's compartment. A fixed some issues, and G was really good.

The frontal armor was adequate for all but the largest caliber allied AT, and the 75 L70 could defeat any tank in allied service at any point in the war.

If these tanks were so bad, why did the Russians go to great lengths to recover them and press them into service despite being fed tons of lend lease and shitting out tens of thousands more T34s?

As for the Tiger II, it was extremely overloaded. It worked better as a mobile pillbox than a true tank. The 88 L71 was monstrous, by far the best gun of the war. As for the American 76 "easily" knocking it out, you're not talking from the front. HVAP for the 76 was rated at 139mm penetration at 500m. That's not enough to get through the front turret or the upper hull. 17 pounder using APDS could do it with a good shot at 500m. It was also carried in limited quantities.

>>11925317
>more reliable over time
Why were the straight-cut gears in the final drive never fixed? Is 150km average final drive life considered reliable?

>armor
In theory, but in practice it was improperly hardened and generally shit. I could post sources out the ass, including Guderian himself calling German armor quality inferior to Russian, but the spam filter is catching them.

Other problems with the Panther include side armor thin enough to be penetrated by obsolete AT rifles (of which the Reds had millions), a stupidly overloaded chassis, the aforementioned blindness of the gunner, and the inability to turn the turret on a grade. If you want sources, give me an email and I'll send you the links.

>>11925317
Also, let's see a citation of the Red Army "going to great lengths" to capture Panthers.

>>11925317
Oh, and one more thing: the Panther's main gun fired an HE shell with a lighter filler and thus weaker bursting power than the shells of the 75/76mm Shermans. Note that this is during a war where 80% of shells fired were HE and the main role of tanks was infantry support (where good HE is required), not tank-on-tank combat.

>>11925338
See Lieutenant Sotnikov’s Guard Company among others. Russians fielded entire companies of them.

>>11925382
>>11925388
Nowhere does it say they were more desired than other tanks. Just the fact that they were captured and used proves nothing; every side, even the Americans, used captured tanks.

>>11925350
The Germans had plenty of other vehicles for that. I'm not saying it was a good thing but the Panther was designed with tank on tank combat in mind. The Sherman wasn't, tank on tank combat went against US doctrine at the time.

>>11925397
Where did I say they desired it more than any other tank? I'm saying they went to lengths to get them up and running and fielding them in companies. Are you going to try and nitpick every little thing and put words in my mouth?

>>11925405
Show me where it says the Panther was designed specifically for tank-on-tank combat. Even if we believe that, it's still a terrible decision. The tank's designers apparently forgot that the deciding factor in a tank-on-tank engagement is not armor or armament (though I doubt spall-happy, brittle steel is an advantage), but who gets off the first shot. A Panther, with its overloaded chassis and transmission, is bad at that. Additionally, if the "medium" Panther is so amazing, how did the Slavic untermenschen design a heavy tank (IS) that weighs only a ton or two more, yet is better armored AND better-armed (in both the infantry support and AT role)?

>>11925412
Maybe I'm getting confused with who I'm talking to. Post >>11925317
says:

> why did the Russians go to great lengths to recover them and press them into service despite being fed tons of lend lease and shitting out tens of thousands more T34s?

which clearly implies that the poster thinks that Russians thought the Panther superior to any other tank available to them, including their own. The idea is absurd.

>>11925397
>even the Americans, used captured tanks.

Apples and oranges. Germans and Soviets used tons of captured equipment. America and Britain not so much.

>>11925428
>which clearly implies that the poster thinks that Russians thought the Panther superior to any other tank available to them, including their own. The idea is absurd.

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

>Show me where it says the Panther was designed specifically for tank-on-tank combat.

It was designed to counter the T-34 and KV1 for which the Pz III and early IV had no counter.

>>11925447
>It was designed to counter the T-34 and KV1 for which the Pz III and early IV had no counter.

I'll give you that. But is a poorly-designed (see other posts), poorly-made (see other posts), unreliable (see other posts) tank that is relatively ineffective at the job that tanks are supposed to do a great tank? I don't believe so. I've said all I have to say, and I've got class tomorrow, so I'm heading off. If you decide you want those sources, bump this thread with an email address and hopefully I'll find it in the morning.

>>11925456
>Poorly designed
>poorly made
>unreliable

So much so the French used them till the mid 50s.

>>11925234
I'm pretty sure more of it had to do with chinese tank tactics (read: tankless tactics) and corean terrain than actual sherman performance.
It was the wrong tank for that war, but it performed well enough in europe to warrant entry into corea.

>>11925461
>french
>defense budget
>pre-mid 1950s
pick 2

>>11925525
They could have just as easily been given some Shermans

Came here for some qt3.1415 2hu ded ghost princess.

Got autism and a closet nazis.

>>11925610
It's 3.14159 you dumbass

>>11925615
proving his statement.

>>11925578
and have to worry about training? transporting parts from overseas? while the germans were still living next door?

Needs more Touhou.

>>11925615
*farts in ur nerd face*

I guess it's inevitable we get a Tiger vs. Sherman armchair generals when there's an armor related 2hu thread. Shall we have AR vs. AK thread next?

>>11926629
All 2hu weapon threads are just /k/indergarteners pretending that their non-otaku culture threads are otaku culture because they have pretty anime girls in their danbooru/shitkaku channel image dumps.

>>11926863
Why are there slashes around the k?

Where the fuck is my 1080p remaster?

>>11926933
that nigga look high as FUK

My grandpa´s brother fought communist T34´s in one their hand me down L3 tankette

>>11926945
The scenery makes everyone high.

>>11926953
>>11926933

Edit this to make it more /jp/ related.

>>11926978
It's still gay as all fuck, though. What's going on with those wings? did the eagle have a stroke when he was a kid or some shit? And shouldn't it be "Japonisch" or whatever the German word for Japanese is?

>>11926978
replace the eagles head with a d**k

>>11926995
>did the eagle have a stroke when he was a kid or some shit?

It´s even more /jp/ related than I previously believed.

She would make a fine governor of Bohemia.

Anyone read Kutsuruze Sensen?

I love these uniforms.

I always wanted a nukige featuring Oscar Dirlewanger and his Waffen Grenadier brigade

>>11927027
Why is she giving me the autism look?

enough szwab, /jp/ demands slavic 2hus defending shining light of mother russia

>>11927073
fascist slavs are better

>>11927073
/jp/ demands FREEDOM
The Freedom to pursue and enjoy their otaku hobbies in peace.

>>11927034
She's an emotionless killing machine.

>>11926614
>still have to worry about training

Uhhh, what the fuck do you think the Free French divisions used?

>transporting parts from overseas

Americans shipped so much 75mm ammo to Russia that they gave up the idea of putting the 76.2mm T34 gun on them

>Germans still living next door

You mean the Germany that was starving in 1946? Had no military whatsoever? Had all of its industry confiscated? Had all of its tanks, planes, and ships confiscated? That was currently garrisoned by dozens of British, American, and Russian divisions?

>>11927032
>Raping and murdering little Polish girls by the dozens
>Cutting off their male family members arms, dousing them with gas, and lighting them on fire after placing bets to see how far they could run before dying

/d/ would love it

/jp/ should play moe moe world war 2

/jp/ related

why do /jp/sies fetishize socialists/nazis

both of them would execute most of us without a second thought

I thought you guys like freedom???

>>11927352
Christ, why does the King Tiger look so fukken good

>>11927081
define ``freedom''

my work interferes with my otaku culture hobbies. does that mean I should fight for socialist welfare checks?

Also, I want to smell Hina's musty vagina.

>>11927369
Because they're huge beta magnets that's why.

>>11927369
Just like they did in Dunkirk, am I right?

>>11927013
It's a really cool series.