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117158 No.117158 [Reply] [Original]

Lately I've been posting only Sayu, so I'm here to revert that.

>> No.117159
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>> No.117167
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Even if she isn't as cute as Sayu, she's still pretty cute.

>> No.117169

>>117158
>>117159

Enjoy your 2nd tier sub-leader of some shitty jpop idol group.

>> No.117172
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Plus, she's a mowota.

>> No.117176
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And have some Gaki-Kame

>> No.117189
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>>117169
Thank you, I will enjoy it.

>> No.117204
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I'll continue posting if there's demand.
Sorry for any inconveniences I've caused, please continue enjoying your ronery and touhou threads.

>> No.117333
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Not my favorite, but she has grown rather hot the last couple years.

>> No.117480
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>>117333
I agree. She was rather plain when she joined, but she has a certain charm.

>> No.117492

>>117169
The fact that you even know they have a sub-leader betrays your true colors.

>> No.117493
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I love that long hair she had.

>> No.117552

I'm not very big on her, but it's nice to have something besides porn game and Touhou threads.

>> No.117594
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>>117552
Neither am I, but it's pretty boring to have only Eri and Sayu photos here.

>> No.117598
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Some more Mame-chan

>> No.117603
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Where is the guy who always come to sage with
>3D
or
>3D PIG DISGUSTING

>> No.117613
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She DOES have a decent cleavage.

>> No.117620
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Surely, you don't mean to say you actually miss him.

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>>117620
It's just weird. Every thread with actual real women has at least 1 troll of that kind.
I guess >>117169 is filling the role of troll this now

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>>117645
>I guess >>117169 is filling the role of troll now
I also guess that I should check for typos before posting.

>> No.117692

This thread inspired me to watch the live version of Indigo Blue Love, so hot.

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>>117692
Nice to hear that my thread did some good.

>> No.117761

>>117753
everyday thugs in NIPPON

>> No.117769
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>>117761
lolwut?

>> No.117795

>>117769
get ya thug on

>> No.117815
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>> No.117816

>>117815
look into my eyes and tell me , what it is you see

>> No.117823
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亀井ヲタ REPORTING FOR DUTY.

>> No.117828
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がき!

>> No.117840

>>117828
how cute

>> No.117837
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She's too hot in this picture, but PIG-DISGUSTING is blocking her.

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がき.gif

>> No.117846

>>117837
poor stupid miki

>> No.117845
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>>117823
Welcome back. It's always nice to have you here.

>> No.117850
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がき・かめ

>> No.117853
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GAKI<3

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がき THREAD IS GO!

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がき・かめ!

>> No.117865
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Would you NOT hit it?

>> No.117874
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GAKI KAME

>> No.117881
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がき

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P’z うp!

>> No.117889
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fuck yeah

>> No.117890
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Seems that we are dumping from the same file.

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>> No.117898

>>117890
Yes, it seems so. I need to get my external HDD and hook it up. I don't have much of Gaki on these drives.

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I AM THE TRUE 眉毛ーちゃん

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>>117898
If you grab your HDD, I'd be delighted.

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.GIF

>> No.117939
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Kinda creepy.

>> No.117944

>>117923
Only problem is that I have like, 4 or 5 different ones... time to go search for the correct one.

Also, I found my second batch of Kamei pictures from eririnろだ

>> No.117965

>>117944
I wouldn't mind another Kame-dump. One can never have enough Eririn.

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>>117753
Wish I could post a cap, for some reason that disk only works in my DVD player, weird since it's xvid.

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>>117963
I have it here anyway. And yes, it's pretty hot.

>> No.117987

>>117939
her antonio inoki impersonation

>> No.118007

>>117987
>her natsuyaki miyabi impersonation.
Fixed.

>> No.118010
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Another cap.

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Yeah.

>> No.118038
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Risa

>> No.118041
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Still looking...

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I found more Kamei pictures though, which is always good.

>> No.118047
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118047

There should be an uploader for Gaki, brb, wolf.

>> No.118068

>>118047
There used to be, check this list...

http://a.hatena.ne.jp/hp-upload/

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オフガキろだゲット!
Now I gotta find a way to mass download.....

>> No.118102

>>118095
Down them all.

>> No.118104

3d girls.

>> No.118106

>>118095
wget is the one true way.

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>>118068
Thanks. Didn't know of that, I just went to each member's support thread to get the URL of the uploader.

Attached: Haromoni@ SNS

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All the files seem to have the same pattern offgaki[numbers].jpg It should be easy to batch download with flashget.

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Raping the offgaki uploader.

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Sayu? Is that you?

>> No.118171

Pig disgusting

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>>118171
Sir, it's "3D PIG DISGUSTING" You have to use cruise control to hit the weak spot for maximum damage.

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>>118123
What URL is this? I'm getting server not found.

>> No.118214

the only members i hate more than risa are koharu and aika

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>>118207
It's the オフガキろだ (offgaki loader)
http://omame.dnsalias.net/offgaki/upload.php
If you are going to mass download try to limit the streams, you don't wanna get banned for downloading 10 files simultaneously.

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>>118214
Come tomorrow, I'll dump another member.

>> No.118237

Junior idols and/or child models are banned. Posting this will get you banned.
Stop fucking doing it--it's not allowed you pedo creeps.

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Ai-gaki

>> No.118263
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>>118225
Thanks, I'll use wget and do one at a time.

>> No.118276
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>>118263
Always glad to be of help.

>> No.118283
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>>118237
新垣里沙 - Birth date: October 20, 1988

>> No.118291

亀井ヲタ here, I'm currently raping a ろだ that has every GAKI KAME show. I'll post afterwards.

>> No.118290
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INVASION OF KOREA!

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>>117158
>>117159
>>117167
>>117172
>>117189
>>117204
>>117493
>>117480
>>117594
>>117598
>>117613
>>117620
>>117624
>>117645
>>117753

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>>118292
Oh, it's Nostalgia-fag again...

>> No.118321
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>>118291
The ガキカメろだ?
The thing is that I download all the episodes but hardly bother to listen to them. Only when I upload them to my mp3 I listen to it while riding the bus.

Also, moar Korea shots

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>>118303

Representin

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>>118237
Like this?

>>118323
Hi, how's going? Ah, I want to ask you. Do you know any Mari uploaders?

>> No.118333
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MOAR PICS!

>> No.118338
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ASIA INVASION!

>> No.118345
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Last KOREA INVASION shot

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>> No.118358
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>>118352
I asked if you knew any Mari uploaders.

>> No.118361

>>118331
there used to be a popular one but it went down. I know a mari video uploader but i wont give you that. all the videos appear on hello online and it's faster to download on torrent anyway.

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>> No.118380
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>>118361
If it's about the 真理ろだ I already know it. What I want is a image uploader.

>> No.118385

>>118321
I listen to stuff in the background all the time, so these shows should last me a while.

>> No.118390

i've seen images of mari on 2ch which were linked to the same uploader but i couldn't find the index page

>> No.118431
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Can anon teach me how to use wget? Flashget doesn't download the gifs and it's a pain in the ass to do it manually.

>>118390
The only thread in wolf that I found is this http://mamono.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/morningcoffee/1202999446/ and there's no info on uploaders.

>> No.118462
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>>118358

nope.

>> No.118468

>>118431
Use downthemall instead?

What exactly do you want to download with wget?

>> No.118476
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Is ガキカメ worth listening to? I was into 今夜も☆うさちゃんピース for a while but got bored with it a few months ago.

>> No.118490

>>118476
Depends on how much you like the duo, I guess. I wasn't impressed.

>> No.118511

http://mamono.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/morningcoffee/1203352970/
this mari thread links to a lot of images but i dont know the index pages

>> No.118521
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>>118468
The offgaki uploader.

>>118476
At least it's funny with it's personality tests and the tips they give. I have download both Konusa y GakiGame but only bother listening to GakiKame if I have time. Konusa it's just Sayu reading fan letters and answering some dumb quiz.

>>118462
You are a bad sostsu-mem wota and you should feel bad. At least, could you dump some Mari? I have difficulties finding her pictures.

>> No.118551
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>>118511
Damn, half of them give me the 403 error. Thanks anyway.

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>>118490
>>118521
Thanks, think I'll stick to listening to new music.

>> No.118604
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Solved my download problem.
Let's continue with moar Gaki.

>> No.118623
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Did someone say JUNIOR IDOLS?

>> No.118633
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And don't forget that tonight we have another episode of Haromoni@

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>> No.118641

>>118633
orly

where do you go to see this?

>> No.118642
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Have some non-3D

>> No.118653

>>118642
i watch it on my tv

>> No.118669
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>>118641
I normally wait for the torrent at H!O when I get up. But sometimes people upload it to member's uploaders like http://omame.dnsalias.net/up/upload.php

>> No.118677

>>118669
used to be up'd to usenet, but the guy stopped cause his friend couldn't figure out to use usenet , but he did give his host site

>> No.118686

>>118677
>>118669
>>118653
I know I can get it on H!O and other sources....
but there's no way to watch it live, then....?

>> No.118688
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>>118633
Will it be more MouTube?

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>>118686
I doubt you can unless you have some way to stream Japanese TV.

>>118688
Yeah, those useless staff guys can't come up with any interesting setting so they'll have the members sit and watch people goof off.

>> No.118713

>>118641
I have a RSS filter that downloads it from H!O, it's usually done by the time I wake up.

>> No.118727
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What member dump would you like tomorrow guise?

>> No.118731

>>118727
none.

go away.

>> No.118739

I usually stream HM@ off the 2ch peercast streams or off from keyholetv. But it's probably better to just wait for the H!O upload because the quality is better.

>> No.118747
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>>118727
JUNJUN

>> No.118753

>>118747
oshit i finally someone else who hates her

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>>118727
Tomorrow will be HM@ discussion day. Let's not bother the 2Dfags too much tonight.

>> No.118762

>>118739

unfortunately...can't read 2ch...:(
so I probably couldn't do that..

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>>118747
Ask and ye shalt receive receive. Be warned though, there are not many pictures of her.

>>118759
I'd love to have a real discussion thread but the only way to get a thread going on is with a dump.

>> No.118879
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Well, in the meantime let's continue with moar Mame-chan

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>> No.118933

>>118759
haromoni@ will be on in about 30-40 minutes. a few hours after i have them uploaded to veoh

>> No.119001

>>118879
yossie, stop that

>> No.119013

call me a nostalgiafag, but I think MM would be (was) better with more age variation.
Don't get me wrong, I love the young ones...but it was such a cool group when they had the old ones along with like...12 year old kago + tsuji. They need some more age variation

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>>119013
It's not that easy. Tsuji-Kago had some talent in them so they were chosen, and not every 12 year old can sing well.

>> No.119042
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Amen brother!

I became a Morning Musume fan in 1999-2000. The prime and golden age. Looking back on my old clips from that time the dynamics and personality of the girls and group are Superior to Morning Musume of 2008. To many immature girls in Morning Musume now. I mean I thought that was the reason for the hello kids, so get all the pedo fucks away from Morning Musume. We need more Yoko Nakazawa and girls that all have different personalities instead of just trying WAY TO HARD to act cute(and failing).

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>>119042
I though it was a typo when you typed it before.
It's Yuuko, not Yoko.
And I agree with you in general lines, Momusu needs more variation (personality wise).

>> No.119062

>>119050
>>119042
I think these go together. All these girls are *about* the same age, and haven't developed a personality. They're still like the high school girls forming into cliques and basically...just being like each other.

As they got older, they definitely all had different personalities. That's what was awesome. I could name them all, and almost know how someone would react to something. I kinda felt like i "knew" them.

These new ones -- I don't know...just something...

>>119034
I think you've got the wrong idea. I want older ones...not so much younger. They're young enough. (But if they get older ones, may as well get a token 12 year old as well, i guess)

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>>119050

It's all about TNX Nice Girl Project. Tsunku is basically starting over because Hello Project is just cluster-fucked with wotas. It is a lost cause to even try to bring their image to anything that normal people can like and not be thought of as automatic wota. Lets just start over with some girls that have TALENT,,, and of course personality.

Pic related.

>> No.119093

I'm >>119034 and >>119050 Guess I'll namefag a bit.

>>119062
I understand you. When Yuuko was the leader, the members basically viewed each other as rivals, each one wanted to go solo (but as some of them said, they were not prepared enough for it), now it's like a group of friends. Nothing bad with that situation itself but if they don't feel any animosity among each other, they won't thrive to improve and try to make a better appeal.

>> No.119094

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9NSxJIEkok

Morning Musume reincarnated.

>> No.119102

>>119084
How much time do you give them before they attract wotas?

>> No.119125

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1UxDZbVyU

The NEW Morning Musume. Reincarnation.

THE ポッシボー and Nice Girl Project lay outside of Up front Agency's control, so this is all under Tsunku.

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In other news, HM@ is starting.
Pic semi-related.

>> No.119132

>>119094
>>119125
lolWUT
do i see sum INSTRUMENTS being played?

wow...i might just have to look into this...

>> No.119144

fuck, it's more moutube today

>> No.119276

If you like the CLASSIC Morning Musume and Hello Project songs, they were mostly arranged by DANCE MAN. Here is a list of songs he has done for Hello Project and Morning Musume. Yes, most of them are years ago, and Morning Musume's best songs.

* Morning Musume songs

1. LOVE Machine
2. Koi no Dance Site
3. DANCE Suru no da!
4. "... Suki da yo!"
5. Happy Summer Wedding
6. Renai Revolution 21
7. The Peace!
8. Souda! We're ALIVE
9. Ii Koto Aru Kinen no Shunkan
10. Honki de Atsui Theme Song
11. "Suggoi Nakama"

* Other

1. Shin Ramen Daisuki Koike San no Uta by Sharan Q
2. Minihamuzu no Kekkon Song by Minimoni
3. Yattarouze! by Ongaku Gatas
4. Dschinghis Khan by Berryz Koubou

Heres one of his own songs(he also sings). Yes, your ears do not lie, it has that "old school" Morning Musume vibe much like The PEACE! and the older songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErSIX19hpPo&feature=related

He also started his own little girl group as well.

>> No.119311

fuck dance man. the best songs were the ones on the first album, before they went crazy idol pop. this was probably back when tsunku had fresh ideas that he couldn't put to use in sharan q. it was just too bad that most of the first 2 gens couldn't sing so well.

>> No.119406

>>119276
well, if he made Koi no Dance Site and Happy Summer Wedding (2 of my favorites) then he cant be that bad...

but Dschinghis Khan was actually made by Dschinghis Khan back in like the 70's or 80's by a german group...But that's beside the point.
I know he probably arranged it/translated it or whatever.

>> No.119410

>>119311

I agree! I still think the DANCE MAN era was greater then the present era. HP! and Morning Musume went to shit after around 2004. Now it is ALL about the boobs. Not saying that the older gens did not have photobooks... but Tsuji and Kago first photo books were just pictures of them being cute and beautiful. Sure the girls were hot back then too, but I think they had a lot more to them then just a cute face and boobs. Mari Yaguchi, Goto Maki, Kei, Kaori, all had great humor and personalities. It was so hard not to fall in love with them. These new gens are just all about the boobs and wotas.

>> No.119473

>>119406

yeah shame that Berryz Koubou faisl so bad at singing. That is that I always hated about Berryz Koubou, Tsunku started giving THEM the better songs. Songs that should and would have sounded a lot better if MM sang them. SPECIAL GENERATION *COUGH Berryz did not deserve that! Tsunku, or rather UFA sold out to the Wota and started trying to attract all the wota moneys. First law with dealing with the devil.. don't! Morning Musume should have ended in 2003 while they still had some respectability.

>> No.119485

>>119144
todays episode was not too bad
although Ai/Gaki's bits were kind of... boring.
jun jun and kamei were the stars of this episode for sure


The whole "GOLDEN AGE" of MM is incredibly annoying. Like, who gives a fuck, seriously? Of course you think they were better at the height of their career. Of course you got to know more about the girls then because they were the face of a bunch of shit,on tons of shows etc etc.

It happens to every group. No one group will forever be in the spotlight, ever. Back in the day when the spice girls and boy bands were popular you thought "OH MAN THIS IS THE HOT NEW SHIT", but it doesn't last.

At least MM/H!P is still around for fans who do like them still and new fans just finding them.

>> No.119500

>>119485
funny you would mention people who are just finding them. That'd be me.

It's defintely true that i've seen a lot more of the 'golden generation' than anything else. Naturally. But why do you think I want to see haromoni@ etc? I want to see if I can get that same "connection" with the new girls too.

I don't want to just shun them without giving them a chance.
But I do love my oldies

>> No.119523

>>119500
Thats what sucks about being a new fan, there's so much talk about the old generations (yes they were good) and there's so much nostalgia that people tend to forget that there are new members, shows, performances and singles.

The only thing that really stinks about the new generation of MM is that they are less popular. But what can you do about that.

>> No.119524

>>119473
Calm down, internet lawyer.
We all know that OG are better that the current lineup. Yes, we know that the current members lack the distinct personality of Yagucchan, Nee-chan, Kemeko, etc.

>> No.119531

>>119523
oh, that's not the only thing that stinks

>> No.119609

>>119531
opinions opinions
if you love one version of something of course you're going to hate the new version of it.

either you can get over it or you cant

>> No.119655

>>119531
You think the current members suck? You have several options:
1. Stop following them
2. Convert to AKB48 (failKB48)
3. Convert to other even less known idol-wannabes
3. Still follow them but come to 4chan and bitch about it.

My educated guess is that you chose 3, amrite?

>> No.119665

>>119655
And I suck at life, I don't even know how to count.

>> No.119684

>>119655
I'm taking option #5:
take them for what they are, a separate group under the same name of MM, as well as look out for other groups, but not abandon anybody. Why do people not like AKB48? I only know 2 or 3 songs, but I thought they were OK.

>> No.119703

>>119609
>>119524

I have talked with so many older fans as well. I think we all knew that MM would not last forever, and certainly last the same way forever and it would lose popularity. I think that is not what bothers so much of us. It is the type of people that new Morning Musume fans tend to be. Not all, but so many new Morning Musume fans seem to be this sort of creepy pedo type. I know a lot of old school MM fans in RL, and also know new MM fans. For so many new MM fans, it is all about SAYU! SAYU SAYU! fap fap fap! or AI AI AI AI. The music is a 2nd thing all together. I remember back in the day when you go to HP concert and there were people of all ages there. Now it is just wota and creepy guys most of them. WTF happened?! Can't even say I like Morning Musume to any decent person or they think your a loser. I hope Tsunku makes sure that his new TNX projects correct the mistakes that later haunted MM in their later years.

>> No.119730

>>119609
Yes, I like the older version way more but that doesn't mean that I hate the newer version.
>>119684
I'm also sticking by option 5 but I'll never like AKB. It's like all the bad things about the new MM multiplied into 48 members.

>> No.119754

>>119703
Well, what exactly can we do about fans now?
Nothing.

But then again there are groups that are simply FORMED for these type of fans (AKB, namely) and there doesnt seem to be as much flack towards them because they haven't hit it big yet.

>> No.119768

>>119730
maybe AKB48 has a special place for me because it's BECAUSE of them that I got into Morning Musume.

Here's how it went for me (within the past couple months):
Lecture in class about Japanese Music -- Minimoni was played, and Jankenpyon was stuck in my head for days on ened. I become a Minimoni fan.
I look up minimoni things and for some reason have a grudge against Morning Musume for one reason or another..stupid reasons I'm sure.

Few weeks go by, i'm on *chan. Find a link to "Aitakatta" I realize 'hey I know that word!' (2nd semester japanese student here). Again, song gets stuck in my head for days.

Flash forward a few days...i see the whole AKB48 vs. MM argument. Now I decide to give them a shot, and I've been a fan ever since.

before then, I was never really into any japanese things. I was learning the language for business reasons.

>> No.119779

>>119684
AKB is driven for wota fans, a lot of their lyrics are very uah.. risque for idol groups like that. Not even like the "sexy" lyrics but the flat out "slutty" lyrics.

Also, AKB notoriously ripped off their fans. They recently had an event where you had to collect 44 posters of the girls to get a ticket to go to their spring concert. Unfortunately that meant you would spend well over 500 dollars to get the chance to get all 44 posters.

>> No.119819

>>119684
AKB is fail, yeah, they have some catchy songs and some decent and cute girls, I even have 4 of their singles and sometimes listen to them. But let me tell you about their newest single "Sakura no Hanabiratachi 2008", which is a remix/remake of thir older single "Sakura no Hanabiratachi". If you buy one of their singles, you get a poster of a random member, TOTALLY FREE! OK, but there is more! If you got all 48 posters (or 46) you get a special prize! Get the catch in here?
I know that there are wotas who will buy 20 copies of a Momusu single to bolseter sales and make it go up in the charts, but this is outrageous, the company itself making its fans buy 46/48 or more (the poster is random) copies of the single. Also, you can acquire tickets for the AKB 10th Anniversary too, which will be held in 2015.

>>119703
So..... There were absolutely no kimo-wotas back then? Every Momusu fan was a respectable member of the society?
But I concur that the wotas are the cancer killing Momusu. But as I previously said in another thread, what can you do about it?
Idol business is fueled by wotas, you like it or not. If you don't like wotas, don't be an idol, be an artist, a singer, someone who comes out every now and then with a new single/album and holds a concert tour every year. But there is a catch too: it's too damn difficult to triumph in the music industry. Try marketing Momusu as singers (and not idols), you won't get very far (true, back then they were considered "artists" and not idols). And guess what "title" they obtained after Love Machine? 国民的アイドル, National Idol.

>> No.119835

>>119779
>>119768

That is also another problem with AKB. Besides the wota bait they are.. there way to many members to even remember. Just fap bait they are. At least Tsunku was smart in 2000 about making the Morning Musume subgroups. With Tanpopo, Puchi Moni, Mini Moni, etc.. it gave a chance to give some of the less popular members in Morning Musume the spot light and allowed them to develope their personalities better. With all the sub groups, not only did they have more CDs coming out, but also more TV time. Morning Musume's stlye was changing, so Tsunku made Tanpopo to keep the style of ballads of the original Morning Musume. Thus if the sub groups were still existing, they might have a alternate version of Morning Musume with all the older members, while under a new name. Shame that the idea was not fully used. Shame that there is not even any Morning Musume sub groups or summer shuffles too!

>> No.119842

>>119819
haha they're seriously waiting for a 10 year anniversary?

>> No.119858

>>119835
Tsunku made subgroups to milk more money from people. You'd have to be an idiot if you didn't do it.
It's not a clever plan to let the members have more personality development, it was a another chance to market their success.

>> No.119868

>>119858
I agree with both of you on this one. It IS a business, so of course he was going to make more money, but at the same time...it really did do all those things that Tsunku(malesign) said it did

AKB48 seems like more of a money scam from what has been mentioned so far. Fap material, wota bait, 10 year anniversary, random posters? Excellent marketing, but I don't really like it right now without the personality developing through TV time etc.

>> No.119917

>>119858

I do not deny that it made UFA a lot of money, but it DID also give more time to less popular members. Mari Yaguchi did not start to come out until Mini Moni. Same with Kago and Tsuji. Hitomi and Goto Maki really started to shine when they were in Puchi Moni. Let us not forget all the times they showed up on Utaban and other Japanese shows because they were all separate groups. The mini groups themselves were able to have slightly different styles that was normally used in the Morning Musume main group. Yes, I do not deny that the sub groups also ave Tsunku and UFA a wider audience to get money from(while getting it from wotas), but that is just it. the sub groups opened up Morning Musume to a wider audience. Mini Moni was targeted to kids, while puchi moni was targeted to more older girls. Tanpopo was targeted to its older fan base. It is sad that in the end, it all merged into one big pile of shit, following the collapse of the subgroups. Now everything sounds the damn same. can't tell a berryz song from a Morning Musume song these days. Both same young sound, and almost same image.

>> No.119919

>>119868
The "event" was even featured in the news (MSN)
http://sankei.jp.msn.com/entertainments/entertainers/080228/tnr0802282042012-n1.htm
They stopped the event (or were forced to) and apologized for it. People could return the goods and get their money refunded.

I'm not saying that making subgroups is a bad thing, I'm all for it. But the reason why these subgroups are made is not because they want the members to "express themselves" (although it's one of the side-benefits) but for the money. Someone cares to elaborate why subgroups, shuffles and all those things were made AFTER Momusu became National Idols and not before?

>> No.119945

>>119917
Then good sir. Let us go before 1999/9/9. I ask you, who knew Morning Musume? People who watched Asayan, some people interested in them, some wotas looking for idols, etc. But not the general population (young, old, etc.)
How did they managed to sell 1.6 million copies? I really don't know but certainly not because the people knew each member's personality, that's for sure.
Hello! Morning, subgroups, shuffles, etc. all came AFTER. And guess what, the sales actually declined after Love Machine. Guess that people didn't really got "hooked" because of all the air-time and propaganda they got.

>> No.120037

>>119945

Thats just it. They made damn good music that is why. You did not have to like the girls, or fap to the girls to get into Morning Musume. Love Machine was damn good. So were most of their songs of that era. If you became a fan, of course the girls had great personality but they also had music to back it up. People at that time did not become Morning Musume fans for loli fap material(they did, just not as much as now). You liked them because of their music. When you talked to people that did not like Morning Musume back then, they also said because they just did not like the music. Now if you ask a normal person why you don't like Morning Musume, they will say... "because only loser like them.. wota and stupid music" . Double punch!

>> No.120041

>>117837

They are all hot in the "Cutiepunk" mode!

>> No.120072

>>120041
This is exactly the problem with modern Hello Project, all fan service and no content to back it up. Just attracts otakus. sad. This is why no one takes Morning Musume seriously in MU anymore.

>> No.120165

>>120037
You completely ignore some parts (What happened to the self appeal thing of the subgroups?) That means that I was right?

Look, with Lovema a lot of people got hooked into Momusu, let's say that of 1.6 million only 10 thousand were kimo-wotas (loli fap material, etc.). Of course you wouldn't notice, because nearly EVERYONE knew what Momusu was and pretty much a fan. But with the time, like every fad or fashion, they started to fall back from the limelight (even with Haromoni, subgroups, etc.). More time passes and all what's left are the die hard mowotas that you despise. Yes, is their fault for scaring people away and giving a creepy image, but it's them who hold H!P together, it's them who spend money buying shitloads of CDs, it's them who go to concerts, etc.

tl;dr, care to explain the cause of their downfall?

>> No.120275

>>120165
That is exactly why Morning Musume should have disbanded when Natsumi graduated. They would have gone out and at least kept their image relatively okay and be remembered as one of the great jpop girl groups in pop history. But no, instead now they will remembered as coming to a bitter and slow death. Morning Musume will end someday, no doubt. Sad the the last fans of Morning Musume will be faping wota otakus for 10 gen. UFA and Tsunku should take Morning Musume in the back and shoot to put it out of its misery. Start over again from scratch. Yes, I am a butt hurt old fan that despises that it has all become. Just A circle jerk for fapping wota.

>> No.120364

Also I agree with everyone. This current Morning Musume is a completely different group. Pisses off a lot of the old guard that they still go under the same name. Morning Musume died years ago. The only thing keeping this "Morning Musume" alive is a constant blood transfusion of wota semen and money.

>> No.120409

>>120275
I'll stand by everything you say...except I think that it would have made more sense if they disbanded when Iida Kaori graduated. She was 1st generation also. So once the whole 1st gen is gone, its not Morning Musume anymore.

>> No.120439

>>120409

Yes I agree! Once Kaori left, that is when all the scandals and shit hit the fan. How many scandals hit Morning Musume during that year?! That is when all their creditably and image went out the window(well in the eyes of the Japanese public). That would have AT LEAST just renamed Morning Musume so something new after 1st gen left.

>> No.120500

>>120439
Afternoon Musume. It's settled

>> No.120514

>>120500

L O L that is not a bad idea! Then in 5 years when Morning Musume.. I mean Afternoon Musume is on its last gen.. they can rename it to Twilight Musume. Then they could just purge all the members and audition for rock singers(like the ORIGINAL 1997 audition)and turn it into a heavy metal punk band and call it Midnight Musume.

>> No.120523

>>120514
oh wow, i would definitely listen to Twilight Musume. That sounds awesome. It would have to be more ballad-type songs. And like "Morning Coffee" which is a good song in itself. Maybe..."Twilight Tea" or something

Midnight Musume would definitely have to be a rock band. It just sounds THAT hardcore.

>> No.120528

>>120514

In 15 years they would go through the metal stage and go back to pop and call it Shin Morning Musume and just use all the daughters from the original Morning Musume members. Tsuji's, Kaori's, Aya's, Sayaka's, daughters etc.

>> No.120539

>>120528

And to make things ironic, Yuuko Nakazawa's daughter will be the youngest member of Shin Morning Musume.

>> No.120542

this is turning into fangirl fodder

>> No.120559

>>120539
ooh that throws things for a loop!

>> No.120570

>>120542

You know that Tsunku is get waiting to get his hands on the Noa(Tsuji's kid). Just wait until more of the older MM girls start having kids... it is only a matter of time before one of them come of up with the idea of trying to make them pop stars or idols.

>> No.120585

>>120559

Then there will be butt hurt fans of Midnight Musume pissed that the group is not METAL ENOUGH and blames it because of 16th gen. Yeah, go fap to your pitch harmonics! 2015 Midnight Musume FOREVAR.

>> No.120643

>>120570

Tsunku looks like a Japanese Marry Manilow.

>> No.120667

wtf, they're having kids now???

guess i haven't been following it that closely for a while.

damn, that really bumms me out...

>> No.120672

>>120667
yeah, kaori is no suprised to me, but little tsuji and went and got knocked up and her little pal kago was caught spending the night with some restaurant owner

>> No.120678

>>120667
kaori's 26/7, so that was no shocker

>> No.120696

>>120672
he's not just "some restaurant owner"

>> No.120700

>>120672
noooooooo, say it isn't so!

>> No.120706

>>120696
doesn't really matter anymore, she's living it up new york now with her mom

>> No.120733

>>120706
kago is living in New York now???

jeez where the hell have I been

>> No.120754

>>120706
i'm pretty sure they still have a house in nara, and aibon is in ny with her boyfriend

>> No.120801

>>120672

Tsuji just did not get knocked up, she MARRIED ULTRA MAN. well at least the actor. Though her unlike Kago, she has a very goof image and her and Ultra Man seem to be very happy together. Their daughter Noa is going to be idol someday... oh no, lets hope the wotas are not already buying tickets to her concerts! Hold your fapping for at least another 5 years if you can! Or is 5 years too long for some Wotas?!

>> No.120808

>>120570
>You know that Tsunku is get waiting to get his hands on the Noa(Tsuji's kid). Just wait until more of the older MM girls start having kids... it is only a matter of time before one of them come of up with the idea of trying to make them pop stars or idols.

Funny you should mention that, tsunku went over to nono's house only a few weeks ago to look at noa.

http://ameblo.jp/sunsuntaiyo/page-33.html

>> No.120814

>>120706

Also, Kago's mother was supposed to release a nude photobook soon. I wonder if that is still going to go through...

>> No.120820

>>120808
The Spartans used to check the new borns for any flaws and signs of weakness. Tsunku is only taking note and trying to create the greatest and strongest idol that ever walk the face of Japan. Noa will be the Neo of the idol world someday. just wait and see!

>> No.120834

i know this is a bit off topic... but does anyone know where I can download mp3's of taiyou to ciscomoon's singles? I can't find any torrents that are alive...

>> No.120841

>>120801
she did get knocked up then they got married

>> No.120842

>>120835
i think you have it backwards

and there will be no nude photobook, it was just a dumb rumor from some tabloid mag

>> No.120835

>>120754
actually it was her mom who said in october last yea that aibon would be posing nude in photobook, still nothing as of yet

>> No.120852

>>120841

No one will knows for sure. but most likely had lots of Ultraman on Nono chan sex and when she found out she was preg... they decided to get hitched. Most people believe that is was a shotgun wedding.

>> No.120854

>>120834

I forgot to mention... i am particularity looking for "Gatamekira" and "DON'T STOP Renai Chuu"

>> No.120867

>>120852
considering she announced she was 9 weeks or so pregnant during her wedding announcement, i'm pretty sure it was.

it was the same deal with iida as well.

>> No.120872

>>120754

maybe aibon's also knocked up by now?

>> No.120881

>>120872
I wouldn't be surprised

H!P fans in new york need to get off their lazy asses and do some investigation work!!!!

>> No.120899

>>120867
Yeah, I felt so sad when Kaori got preg. She was one of my favorites. I always thought she be the Morning Musume member to make the best gf/wife. She was always so kind. Kaori was always the type of girl I would have liked to meet. I don't even really consider her a real idol. She was pretty awkward as a idol really.

>>120872
Who knows. I keep corssing my fingers that someone I know in the US will run into her in NY sometime. I am sure some has HAD to recognize her sometime. Kanno was supposed to study in the USA was she not? I can not remember. But I think she went to NZ or somewhere. Mika from Mini Moni is in LA.

>> No.120908

The NY thing sounds fabricated to me. Either by tabloids or by Ai herself so that nobody would go looking for her.

>> No.120918

>>120899
Konno is at sophia university in tokyo I think.

Ogawa is in new zealand... at least she WAS, i'm not sure if she is back in japan now

>> No.120925

>>120899
Konno is at keio university in tokyo I think.

Ogawa is in new zealand... at least she WAS, i'm not sure if she is back in japan now

>> No.120933

>>120908
it was her mom that said she was in NY, and no one has been able to confirm it.... so possibly?

I would imagine that pics would have surfaced of her if she was in japan though... considering how easy it was for friday's and such to get pics of them. I would guess that she is still in NY.

>> No.120942

>>120908

Lets hope it is not because I don't think that girl has much to look forward too. I mean she could do AV, but not exactly something she should do. She is pretty much black listed from the industry because of all the crap she pulled before she was fired from Hello Project. All the other members of HP pretend that she never even existed now.

>> No.120951

>>120899
yeah, pretty much all the members of coconut musume went on to do their own thing, except for ayaka

>> No.120960

>>120925
argh, my bad. I meant Ogawa. Also, I should have spelled it "Konno".

>>120933

Thats a good point. If she was in Japan still, I am pretty sure they would have gotten pics of her by now. Of course she might just never leave the house anymore. I have not checked any Kago news blogs or sites. I should go research it.

>> No.120965

>>120942
what all did she do?

i haven't been following any of it

>> No.120968

>>120942
well.. UFA pretends like she never existed, but I would imagine that some members still like aibon. I remember that for the last episode of Hello morning in which they were showing all the member intros, that tsuji seemed really irritated that they didn't show aibon's introduction.

In other news... any idea what Goto Yuuki's sentencing was? I remember seeing a news report in which is was ESTIMATED by the news that he would get 10 years in jail (for stealing copper wire?!?!?), but I have not heard about the actual sentencing.

>> No.120979

>>120965
got caught smoking underage, and was put on 1 year probation (2006)

just when her 1 year probation was to end, she got caught smoking again, and was caught dating a ~37 year old dude as well

she then got fired

>> No.121000

>>120968
OH SHI!

wow, I did not think he would get THAT long. Yeah, you can pretty much blame Goto Yuki for screwing over Goto Maki. Pisses me off because Goto Maki was my favorite Morning Musume girl for years. Since Goto Yuki did the crime, Goto Maki also got his bad image. Just by being his sister, she gets screwed over. She is pretty much unemployed now. sad fate.

>> No.121004

>>120979
smoking: serious business

didn't know it was such a big deal in japan. how old was she at the time anyway?

>> No.121005

>>120968
haven't really heard nothing yet of his sentencing

>> No.121009

>>121000
whaaaa?

that's fucked

>> No.121011

>>121004
18, legal age is 20

>> No.121016

>>120835
correction, rumor was that kago's mom, Kago Aki, would be posing nude not aibon herself

>> No.121017

>>121000

Not to mention photos of her smoking and in a gambling hall recently surfaced. I hope Goto Maki gets back into the industry again. Maybe under Avex where she at least get treated better. UFA screwed her over big time, when she still had so much potential as a singer and idol. I put my money that she be the one that will most likely do AV before it is over with.

>> No.121027

>>121016
Thats what I said! I have pics.. but too bad this image thing is over. Her mother is not bad looking at all. If Kago will grow to look like her mom, I think she will age quite well. Her mother still looks pretty young! shes a MILF thats for sure.

>> No.121033

>>121011
shit, if an 18 year old american singer was caught smoking and dating a 37 year old dude, she would end up MORE popular

>> No.121046

>>121033
She would be popular but she would still be the butt of many jokes as Aibon is right now.

>> No.121049

>>121033
Thats what I find so funny about Japanese music industry culture and pop culture in general. Things that would be considered no biggy in America like drug doing, being a whore, even crime do not blacklist famous people from the industry, in matter of fact, they get even ore popular! Though I do admire that part of Japanese culture to a extent. I wish sometimes that blacklist a lot of annoying famous people in America that go and do stupid stuff and get away with it.

>> No.121054

>>121046
lulz, I see wut you did there. the butt of jokes... like cig butt?! L O L well maybe not that funny. sorry, I should sage myself about now.

>> No.121067

>>121033
she would be of legal age though

>> No.121097

I just watched some old EE Jump PVs with Goto Yuki. That guy looks WAY too much like Goto Maki. Almost like twins. I have this one vid where Goto Yuki and Goto Maki are on the same TV program to preform. It was creepy because of how close they looked to each other. Well, I hope Goto Maki does not just end her career now. It seems the only former Morning Musume girls that are doing well now are Mari Yaguchi and Yuuko Nakazawa. Both still doing the Talento thing. Hitomi graduated with a good image, but not really doing anything like singing as far as I know.

>> No.121103

I think we should carry this on in another thread... i'm opening another one up

>>121098

>> No.121127

>>121097
what ever happened to ishikawa rika or takahashi ai?

>> No.121825

bump for epic Niigaki Risa thread

sage for rampant faggotry

>> No.121853

>>121017
>>I put my money that she be the one that will most likely do AV before it is over with.
>>Goto Maki


LET'S CERTAINLY HOPE SO!!!!!! I would certainly pay to see that :D

>> No.122871

OP here again fagging up the thread with moar wota-wars [Sotsu-mem vs Gen-mem]

Forgive me for bringing up the faggotry we were discussing but we should wrap it up.
I know that golden generation was Momusu peak, that they were National Idols, that they were "respectable" idols, that they appeared in TV EVERY FUCKING DAY, etc. etc.
Yes, the current members are only a sad shadow of their former self in the UFA grinding machine to milk in the name of "Morning Mususme". So? Can't I like them anyway? If I like them I'm automatically converted into a kimo-wota fapping to photobooks?

Look it this way. The addition/graduation thing existed since 1998, what makes Aika less "Musume。" than Yagucchan? Just because she was 2nd Gen and was there to ride the popularity wave? Remember that the real Morning Musume are Nakazawa, Ishuguro, Abe, Iida and Fukuda, those 5 girls who got a deal to become artists if they could sell 50k copies of a disk in some days.

Also, don't be so grim, UFA also knows that wotas are a barrier to regain their former popularity, that's why they're planning out the box, out of Japan. Going for the whole East Asia. Now I ask of you again, if they succeed in the East Asian market and start a second golden generation, are the same girls still "wota loli fapping material" or "respectable golden gen"? Of course this is all hypothetical, but you're putting all the blame on the girls when it's a more complex process (their lose of popularity).

PS: I'll dump some Jun later (more at night, there are more H!P fans at that time, right?)

>> No.124283

about time they learned some damn english.

is that 60's christmas pop medley the only time they sang (mostly) in english?

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