/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I'm super fucking lazy, a video game addict and and chose a horrible learning method.

I'm too busy doing other things.

I am, I also speak French, German, Gook, Mandarin, my mother tongue, English and Swedish/Norwegian/Danish well enough to hold a conversation

I am close to being retarded, hence why I spend my time on /jp/

>what´s your excuse /jp/?
I wont be born until tomorrow. I'm currently practicing crying so I wont starve to death.

I'm bad enough with english.

I only want to know how to speak to little girls.

I passed it 2 years ago.

>>11802331
Starting my journey in one week. That's my excuse.

>>11802331
I fucking love Japanese music, but I'm scared of learning the language and realizing that the lyrics are corny shit.

I get really super dedicated doing like 10 hours a day for months, and then I get burned out and drop everything for years at a time.

>>11802422
Lolis speak the language of love.

>>11802436

Every time I look up a song's lyrics/translation I always end up disappointed because in my head I imagined it being better..

>>11802331
興味がない。

Who wishes to translate these tweets for me?

綺麗な本なのに、思ったより――覚悟はしていたけれど想像以上に、えろい。

and

自分の小説について話すときはローテンションなのに、好きな小説のことを話すときは際限なくハイテンションになっていくおそれがあり、今日もそうだったのではないかと怖くなってきた。

and

いいプロットを思いついた……だが六冊目には早すぎる。

>>11802448
I want to seduce a loli one day just once just to see how it feels.

I'm taking it easy.

>>11802331

I will never use Japanese. Going by the ethnic concentrations where I live, these languages would be better:

1. Spanish
2. Russian
3. Vietnamese

>JLPT N1
wow that's pretty lame
I'm not a peasant so I'm studying for kanken level 1

I don't need to be such a fuckin weeb just to fap to the 2hus

>>11802580
But it really helps when you know what they're talking about, you know.

Why did you bother getting the certificate sent to you? Did you need it for something?

>>11802331
not enough time to srsly work it :/

I'm not some motivated normalfag who does things

ano kimocho no toki I studied japanese for 4 years in school but still suck at it.

>>11802624
I studied Japanese and my teacher thought that I spoke it at home.

Does N1 mean fluency? I don't think so.

Do they even test your verbal skills in JLPT?

>>11802633
Nope.

Whom are you quoting?

Too scared and retarded.

>>11802633
No, JLPT is really easy.
The japs doesn't expect the gaijin to be able to talk their sacred language.

Why would I ever want to learn japanese? I am a weeaboo indeed and I fucking love JAV, how their girls dont move during sex and make cute sounds as if its their first time...
But that doesnt mean I would ever try to move to fucking Japan and get a girlfriend there. Its hard enough here and I am a virgin in my middle 20ies. Over there it would be nightmare mode. Plus, what would I do there? I study software development and Jpans economy is even worse than our european one.

>>11803438
It's easy if you know Japanese. That's kind of the point of the test, doofus.

>>11802593
I know when they say "fuck me harder" and "your dick is so hard", that much I learned within a month. And I suppose I don't need to know more

>>11803555
Don't slander Sanae like that.

>>11803453
If you speak English, there will be chicks there that will be all over your dick JUST because you speak it. It doesn't even matter if you're a slopshit of a European, you'll still get some eigo chasing tail.

Also, from what I hear, it's fairly easy to get software jobs as a foreigner in Japan surprisingly.

You have a shot, man.

>>11802564
I think you meant you have unreal expectations that you will never meet. Foreigners can't past kanken.

>>11803808
Is that so

Why the fuck would you learn the language of a dying country? Japan will be utterly irrelevant within 20 years, and all the good games not translated into English don't have much Japanese text in the first place.

Also, nerds will translate anime and manga, the only Japanese media that isn't video games worth consuming.

It's a useless language for idiots.

>>11803813
this guy looks like a well made wax figure

>N1
>fluent
Please. You can pass N1 without ever having talked to a japanese person.

>>11803814
>games
Who cares about games? You're not a kid, are you?

>>11802402
you're anonymous here, no need to lie

>>11804055
look at this monolingual australopithecus faggot

>>11804135
6 languages here. Would be 8 if I were dumb enough to count like you.

>>11802469
I'm not really good at japanese, but they all seem to mention some sort of "internal pleasure".

/jp/ Where do I start?

>>11802331
I'm working on it, but learning a language that requires knowledge of over 2000 unique symbols often consisting of an amount of strokes in the double digits takes time.

>>11804055
Speaking a language "well enough to hold a conversation" isn't that hard. If you just put in some effort, that amount isn't too tricky, especially considering English, German, and the Scandinavian languages are so close. If you know one of them, the rest are a piece of cake.

I might start taking a class next year.

If not, I guess it's self study time!

>>11804243
I'm a native russian speaker. Where's your god now , Scandinavian arrogant fuck?

>>11804251
I fail to see your point.

>>11804256
You suck. That's it.

>>11804266
Because your mother tongue is Russian, I suck.

Right. Makes perfect sense.

>>11804269
I can say that your mother's tongue is in my ass and it feels kinda funny and either joyful as well. You see? This is the flexibility of my language that affects us and our mental capabilities.

>>11804288
>kinda funny and either joyful as well.

It seems your grasp of English wasn't all you chalked it up to be.

>>11804251
Pidorashka go away.

I'm completely illiterate in Japanese. So there.

>>11804050

So there's even less reason to learn the language?

>>11804401
If you say so.

>>11804411
Wouldn't you?

>>11804227
>learn to read and write kana
I could tell you to go find a kana chart and copy each character 50 times into a notebook while reciting the sound it makes, but that's pointless anymore -- look for android/iphone apps that let you practice katakana/hiragana.

>Pick up genki
Genki I & II are pretty good basic japanese language books. They are pirateable if you're a poorfag...
DON'T SIMPLY READ THEM! Get a fucking notebook and do the exercises in the books! Write out the vocab lists -- basically try to read and write things out as much as possible, such that doing a single chapter takes a few hours.
DO ONE CHAPTER PER DAY! If you go any faster, you'll forget shit -- if you can go slower (I know when I took german, we covered a single chapter per week -- and that's an easy language!), do it! Utilise the workbooks, etc.

That should get you bare-bones started on learning japanese.

>>11803814
＞Why the fuck would you learn the language of a dying country?
To impregnate Japanese women and save Japan.

>>11803814
So I can pick up cute tourist Japanese lolis.

>>11804466
Thanks anon. I definitely want to learn to read and write kana, it's something that's been hanging over my head for years and the reason I never felt like I could learn. I didn't know there are apps now

>>11803814
>nerds will translate
Who do you think those nerds are?

Also, shopping...I use ingredients from japanese stores. Reading labels is useful.

>>11804511
Yep.

I learned Katakana when I was 12 by switching super smash bros. melee to jap-mode and trying to figure out how japanese characters worked with character names -- I knew kana were syllabic, so it only took about a month to literally brute force learn.

I never could grasp hiragana though -- for 10 whole years! (never put much effort to it tbh).

DL'd an app for it though...learned hiragana in 3 days...

Shit's useful as fuck

I'm lazy. But I'll get there someday

>>11803814
>It's a useless language for idiots.

Indeed, Japanese is useless for idiots.

>>11804528
I also learned kana when I was 12, but it was with kana.swf that got posted on /f/. (I'm in my 20s now) I didn't bother with kanji until a couple years later when I modded my PS2 and got the Tales games that didn't get released in the US.

Luckly they were kids games, and Tales of Destiny 2 and Abyss were mostly comprised of stock lines and easy-to figure-out kanji. After a while I just got used to it and things started to click.... then it took another few years to get myself to actually learn the language properly.

>>11804554

>>11804528
Suggestions for apps?

>>11804554
#rekd

>>11804563
I haven't touched kanji in forever, but that's because I'm still trying to learn grammar and vocab at this point.

I do recognise some VERY simple kanji though -- my first contact with japanese learning came in 5th grade, when we had a former WWII translator come to our class and teach us simple kanji nouns like "tree" and "dragon".

He had a really cool method for teaching it -- normally I see kanji as simply "just memorise it, dummy", but this guy gave each one of them a story, and broke things down into radicals.

For example: he told us that the kanji for "woman" (女) looks the way it does because it's a picture of a traditional japanese woman carrying the back-breaking weight of two water buckets on a stick.
He taught us the kanji for pig (豚)...(it's a picture of a pig, and the moon -- you salt the pig for a month!).
then he taught us "house" (家). Every good house has enough pork in it to feed everyone, so it's a pig under a roof!

I liked his method of teaching them...

I'd rather be monolingual in English than monolingual in Japanese.

>>11804573
well, I only had to learn hiragana, so I used an android app called simply "Hiragana-Learn Japanese" by Legendarya/Imaginactiva

The same people also make one for Katakana, and it's named similarly. It looks to be the same app, but obviously presenting katakana.

As for kanji/other operating systems; I don't know any -- I don't use apple, etc.

>>11804616
Works for me, I have an Android device

>>11804626
good deal.

Note that once you get the kana down on the apps, try writing them a few times on paper too -- you may feel 100% confident using the app, but totally botch things once you get onto paper (holding a pen and drawing with your thumb are a bit different).

Don't worry though -- it won't be too bad of a discrepancy so long as you're mindful of stroke order and direction. Seriously...like I said: I learned hiragana in 3 days where I couldn't do as much in 10 years.

>>11804646
Naturally. Writing helps me learn things faster in all subjects.

I'm doing things that are actually productive, unlike people learning moon just to play porn games

>what´s your excuse /jp/?

A wide range of mental disorders and illnesses including but not limited to social anxiety, autism and depression.

>>11804664
posting on 4chan sure is hard work

>>11804673
your social anxiety prevents you from downloading books, shutting yourself off from the world and using your hyper-autism to memorise things?

I see why you're depressed then.

>It took my 20 years to learn Kana while studying 25 hours a day.

You babies haven't even started Kanji yet, they're easy.

>>11804702
When you get used to it, they're easy, yeah.

>>11804673
This post made me laugh. I was actually diagnosed with autism as a child. I went to a psychiatric ward for two weeks a year ago because of suicidal depression. I started going to counseling around the same time for severe social anxiety disorder. And yet I've passed N2 two years ago, and took N1 last December (still waiting on results). I can't speak Japanese for beans but I can enjoy any Japanese media I want. You have no excuse, anon.

Thanks for making me feel retarded and unmotivated as usual /jp/.

I don't know how to start :(

I know english and spanish but i don't think I could learn japanese anyway

>>11805190

Don't worry guys, I'm sure things like Muramasa will be translated one day. Maybe if you're lucky the translation will even be readable!

>>11804288
#reckt

>>11805190
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9987A659670D60E0

He'll set you right

>>11805219
Do you just follow the Remilia avatarfag around using pngcrush on all their images? This is like the fifth one I've seen.

>fel when living in Japan but only have the Japanese skill of an elementary school 1st-grader
Life is suffering.

>>11805313
Does this make you more popular with the elementary schoolers?

OP do they print your certificate out at postage stamp size so you can carry it around in your wallet and show off?

>>11805295
>the Remilia avatarfag
maybe it's different people using the same reaction image

Not worth the effort.

JLPT N1 is barely halfway to fluency, if that.

I've been studying about an hour a day as a hiki for three years and suck dick at it. It's supposed to take 2200 hours to achieve literacy, which would make me halfway there. Accordingly, I pretty much feel half-literate. Which isn't a particularly empowering feeling.

I've been studying regularly because I feel like it. I took a year of it in school and thought it was cool as shit and when I first started writing Kanji I felt like a wizard. I felt gratified when I hit numerical milestones in the Kanji I memorized, but since then, I don't get any feeling that I'm consistently improving. I don't mind, though. It's not a part of a deliberate routine, I just feel like studying.

I'm surprised there's no one in here who seems any better than me.
>>11804227
Tae Kim's Guide to Japanese is really really good to start with. Wikipedia articles that are good. There's a list of Kyouiku Kanji that lists 1300~ Kanji by the grade level they're taught in. I never tried Genki, I have no idea how good/bad it is.

I'm surprised at the talk of kana learning apps since it seems really simple to memorize a chart and I'm not sure what a program would even do to supplement that.

I have more specific advice for anyone who gives a shit.

Dunno, I guess I have a great job, I live a good city and other than otaku culture-related activities that I partake in, I think knowing Kana, vocab and some Kanji will suffice.

Not everyone wants to move to Japan.

I went to Japan on a high school summer trip in 2002. I remember all of the train stations having perfectly clear kana.

>>11805494
>>11805487
look at this fucking faggot

>>11805473
>I'm surprised there's no one in here who seems any better than me.

Don't worry, there's a decent number of /jp/ers who are completely fluent and work in Japan. These threads just get a lot of turnover.

>>11805528
At which point they leave /jp/'s for greener pastures, leaving behind the illiterates and retards.

>>11805534
There are no greener pastures except perhaps talking to people in real life. 2ch and Futaba aren't any better than /jp/ or /a/.

>>11805540
Unless retarded all-irony-all-the-time garbage infested Futaba when I wasn't looking, it probably won't be worse than /jp/.

>There are no greener pastures except perhaps talking to people in real life.
That gets easier if you're in Japan. I also notice people often tend to leave for smaller online communities when they're fed up with larger forums being shitty.

>not posting on the greatest imageboard on the internet.

>>11805551
>That gets easier if you're in Japan. I also notice people often tend to leave for smaller online communities when they're fed up with larger forums being shitty.

I feel like this with /jp/ except not knowing how big / small /jp/ is.

>>11805551
I just don't have the energy to get into any more internet forums. /jp/ is enough for me. I just want a few 3D friends like anime has promised me, but most otaku are just too autistic. My otaku hairdresser is nice to talk to though.

>>11804600
Try Kanjidamage, it's basically that idea but with slightly more crass stories.

>>11805150
How am I supposed to study for the JLPT? Are there any specific methods for studying the things they expect you know?

>>11805295

>fel when finally registered for classes at uni again and am in Japanese I but too afraid to leave the house and already missed the first week of classes

I'm conflicted between learning japanese and my native language
I am also lazy

>>11805563
Wow, that's really random! wwwww

>>11806785
What are you afraid of? You're literally one person in probably like the 30 people going to the same class as you. Just go hide in the corner, at least you would be there and maybe learn something.

>>11806790
Ok I will go today. I really hope the professor doesn't randomly call on me asking me to read something

>>11806785
Japanese classes at uni are nothing worth going to

Your class will consist of about 50% chinese kids (minimum) and if you're white or black you'll be lucky to have more than one person of the same race and gender as you. Of those students, 90% of them will barely be functional in the kana half way through the class and fewer still will be able to even compose a sentence by the end of the class

you're just shooting yourself in the foot

>>11804664
I'm doing things that are actually productive AND learning moon. Just accept that you're a lazy failure anon.

>>11806808
I still don't understand how that's shooting myself in the foot. Why is it bad for me if some other students are bad at it?

>>11806815
You're going to be going really fucking slowly and all these people who suck at Japanese, and life, will be imprinting their errors on you

it also will interfere with your own studies and you'll be learning kanji by the "bash your head against the wall until it sticks" method

>>11806547
You don't study for the JLPT, you just take it when you feel you're far enough along in your studies that you can pass it.

>>11806820
What's the best way to learn then?

>>11806822
Self-study and a native speaker for practice, besides actually living there

>>11806822
Read through all of Tae Kim and grind some basic vocab. Find some Japanese media you want to enjoy (because that's why you're learning, right?) and start going through it, looking up any words you don't know. If you forget a word, just look it up again (DON'T use a text hooker, look the kanji up by radicals yourself). Eventually you'll be able to read stuff with less and less, and eventually no dictionary use. You'll probably ruin some games/books/etc by going through them without fully understanding them like this, but nothing's stopping you from reading them again when you're a nihongo expurt.

Or you can grind words with anki the boring way and lose motivation and waste all your time posting in 4chan threads about it.

>>11806820
>bash your head against the wall until it sticks
I've been studying for nine months and have learned almost 200 kanji via this method. Soon I will have them all.

>>11806843
>200
>9 months

>>11806831
>Or you can grind words with anki the boring way and lose motivation and waste all your time posting in 4chan threads about it.

fuck you. fine ill do it properly now thanks. stopped for 6 months now after learning 50 kanji/vocab

>>11806843
200 in 9 months? Using Heisig's Remembering the Kanji I learned 200 in 10 days. I mean I can't tell you how to pronounce anything but I can write and recognize them and tell you the meaning.

>>11807341
>I can't tell you how to pronounce anything

>>11807341
Basically, if you don't ever plan on speaking it, and want it for playing games and shit, this is the way to go

I learned 30 kanji in 2 years. Get on my level.

>>11806808
Sounds horrible. At my uni there was just one dude on last course who was really bad and he didn't make it through the test. The teacher doesn't teach kanji at all and expects that everyone will learn them by themselves. Each chapter introduces maybe 30 new characters.

>>11807408
You really should be learning them on your own though. They come naturally as you pick up vocab, not something you focus on individually like 90% of the nerdbois on /jp/.

>>11807412
I have already learnt them by myself. I'm at around 1500 kanji. I'm there to learn grammar and getting feedback from the Japanese teacher.

>>11807412
Wait are you saying don't bother with kanji just learn the vocab that contain them?

>>11807421
I don't get you people. Why do you count how many kanji you "know"? Who gives a shit? You should count how many words you know, that would be a better measure of your ability to read Japanese (protip: if you don't know how a word is written, you don't know it).

>>11807428
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Believe it or not, language is made up of words. Unless you're a kanji otaku, there's no point in learning kanji, then words, when you can just learn words, and learn the kanji as part of those words.

>>11807436
You also need to know how to write a word with your hand.

>>11807436
Counting how many words I know is much harder because I'm not adding all of them in Anki. The ones I do I run through my script which counts how many individual kanji there are. Maybe it's not knowing the character but at least being familiar with it. It's just something to keep me somewhat motivated.

>>11807441
All right thanks. I may do the basic 300 kanji but won't really focus on them all and shift my focus on vocab instead been needing to start again

>>11807441
I know how to write all jinmeiyou and jouyou, because at one point it became something entertaining to do. Have I become a kanji otaku?

>>11807441
So you learn words like こうてんせいめんえきふぜんしょうこうぐん without kanji?

>>11806831
>DON'T use a text hooker, look the kanji up by radicals yourself
But anon, what if my motivation is completely sucked when I keep looking up kanji over and over nonstop? I've been using a text hooker and so far it seems to make my reading much faster than when I used to look up radicals.

>>11807462
No. You learn words like 後天性免疫不全症候群 and that's that.
>>11807464
I don't know. You sure seem like a huge nerd to me.

>>11807467
Not using a text hooker is just my recommendation. I found myself memorizing them more easily when I picked out the radicals myself. If you're learning them just fine with a text hooker, then good for you.

>>11807354

If only there were some kind of writing system where you could predict how words are pronounced based on the letters in them

>>11807436
There's an immeasurable amount of words I already "know" because they're just a sum of parts of their kanji. I'm encountering new ones every day. Of course the information that it's an established term that someone actually uses is valuable in itself, but it still makes counting them both impossible and counterproductive.

>>11807504
Is that why you're learning Esperanto?

>>11807511
>it still makes counting them both impossible and counterproductive.
Bingo. Now imagine how pointless counting the kanji you're vaguely familiar with is, since they are very rarely "established terms" on their own.

>>11807533
>they are very rarely "established terms" on their own

You're a funny person.

>>11807546
I do my best.

That's valid and all but I am wondering who are you quoting?

>>11807631
I have to wonder the same.

>>11807513
Basically this. I'm actually learning the language and man, it really is easy to pick up. Little girl? Malgrande knabino. Big kids? Malgrande knaboj. Please do not call the police? Nevoki policoj au mi vundi vi!

>>11807643
Suck my Malgrande dick

>2014
>Still saving thumbnails
what´s your excuse OP?

>>11804479
How the hell did you manage to fuck up green text?

>>11808971
＞２０１４
＞Not knowing how to blacktext with meme arrows.

>>11808971
＞not using le new maymee arrow

>>11808971
＞being this >blind

>JLPT
>speaking japanese

pick one. there is no speaking involved.

But anon, I do know エロゲ語.

>>11809087
>>>>/a/

>>11809106
I've been on /a/ since pre split and /jp/ since creation, sue me.

>>11809087
What do you want with that worthless piece of paper? Translating manga or VNs? ｗ

>>11809137
I translated an episode of stop! hibari kun a few days ago. But yeah, I usually just read stuff.

>>11809106
Do you really think more than 1% of /a/ has a JLPT N1 certificate? Hell, I'd bet most people here don't have it (and don't even have the required skills to).

>>11809147
I want there to be a board where only people with N1 or equivalent ability are allowed to post.

>>11809220
VN General?

>>11809147
We are the 99%. Occupy Anki.

I'm a foreign English teacher, I don't need to speak Japanese because I know everyone is insulting me behind my back and understanding the language would just hurt my fragile emotions.

I'd rather force other nations to speak english rather than learn theirs.

English4lyfe

I won't begin learning japanese until I master english. That will take time.

I can't memorize words fast no matter how hard I try, they just keep pouring out of my head. Perhaps this can be explained by the fact that I'm in my mid-twenties, perhaps because Japanese is the third foreign language I'm learning, perhaps because I used to cram a lot of other useless subjects at university. But I keep on working on it at a slow pace.
It's so vexing to see, though, that so many work and study opportunities are vanishing as I'm getting older. I wish I had started learning the language earlier.

>>11802469
Despite being a pretty(literal translation) book, it was more erotic than I thought -- even more than I dared imagine.

Since I have the tendency to get rather excited when talking about a book I like, unlike talking about my own books, I was afraid whether it wasn't the case today as well.

I thought of a good plot, however it seems a little bit too early for a sixth book.

Beware!
I'm not a native speaker of either languages.

I've reached a good level in German and now I feel like I can start learning Japanese, so I'll begin taking classes this summer. Pretty hype, wouldn't have thought I would have the opportunity to learn it during my undergrad.
#soon

>>11810691
>taking classes

>I took 3 semesters of jap in college in fall 2006, spring and fall 2007.
>I can still read/write hira/kata-kana's
>can still recognize ~200 kanji and its on/kun-readings... writing it down properly is out of the question since i didn't study correct stroke orders
>my vocab level is kinda basic... but I sure picked up more from watching anime and some dorama's
>my grammar is kinda so-so
>I think I can still pronounce all jap syllables fluently and properly (so simple, it's like as if speak monotone Spanish)

I think I'm in serious need of brush-up.

Where should I go from here... material wise? What's the best textbook I can download in 2014?

I hear tools for learning jap just got even better now that there are smartphones and tablets to make learning feel like playing a game (gamification?)


(pic related... the last textbook I used when I took jap class back in '07

>>11811036
>What's the best textbook
tae kim

>>11809087

dude u can help us relay and translate big news from 2ch... like what otakus on 2ch are talking about

>>11811051
Just read /jp/, it's pretty much the same thing

>>11811043
>tae kim

is his jap study blog still up?

seriously... i haven't checked his site since i was still in college.

>>11811054

but i want 0-bias.

are u also willing to do translations that are kinda technical?

>>11811066
Then you can suck a dick.

>>11811102

pics or GTFO

>>11811051
When we have futaba/4chan threads, I usually pop in to translate.
>translate big news from 2ch... like what otakus on 2ch are talking about
I did this a few years ago sporadically.

I was super motivated and nothing could stop me. I spent my day immersed in Japanese, from the moment I woke up until I went to sleep. The exception was classes, but since I was only a part time student it hardly took up any time from my day. But then I developed a crush on some qt Asian who kept trying to converse with my multiple times after overhearing a GO!GO!7188 song from my headphones when waiting for class one day; despite never having any interest in anyone the entire 23 years of my life by that point. I tried to just push it aside and ignore it, knowing it'd be pointless to even try, but romance fucks you up psychologically and makes that difficult. It drains your motivation and concentration on other things and focuses it on trying to be with the person you want.

As expected, I never got with her. I even did silly things like went to cons I had no interest in just to split hotel costs with her and hang around, so it was financially and emotionally draining. Rejected after a year, but rejection just makes you want them more, so still tagged along with best friend status for about 2 years before I hit utter depression and she became super spaghetti around me because of drama.

Never got out of the depression, never got my motivation back, always give up when I pick up Japanese again for like a week. It's a shame because I'm high intermediate level, enough to translate some manga, but still nowhere near fluent. I'm not even as depressed as before, but I just can't pick up that blazing motivation I had before.

>>11812581
that why there are drugs

do them and learn the nihongo tongue

>>11812591
I seriously consider doing weed, but I'm too socially awkward to even know where to look for dealers. I dropped out of college from my anxiety and depression, and now just slave all night on graveyard shift as an inventory checker for a juice warehouse. I don't even have enough time to read VNs anymore.

here's why

>>11812618
Is there more of this? I wish to relate to Tom more.

>>11812594
Ｍｏｖｅ　ｔｏ　ｃｏｌｏｒａｄｏ　ｏｒ　ｓｔｏｐ　ｂｅｉｎｇ　ｒｅｔａｒｄｅｄ

>>11813953
Isn't that only medical? I have no medicinal reason to smoke pot, so that wouldn't help much.

i wanted to learn nihingo to play Im@s, but I'm very slow at it. At least I can read kanas and know some vocabulary leaned by osmosis watching anime.

>>11814826
No, it's permitted for recreational use. You can only carry 2 ounces at a time with you though. You can also grow your own!

>>11814826
How to get it depends on where you live. Personal experience tells me you should be cautious of drugs if you have social anxiety, or at the very least do them alone somewhere you feel safe. It's not like you'll be able to learn nipponese while high in any case, and neither will it help with anxiety or motivation.
If you have any friends/friendly coworkers, try asking if they have any contacts or know someone who does. You could also try hitting the bottle a little and go ask some mexian/african while tipsy.
Alcohol can be a fun passtime, more so than weed, though that depends on how much you want to dabble with withdrawal

polite sage

>>11814889
No one can even tell you're sageing anymore. Not like the phrase "polite sage" even meant anything in the first place.

>>11814899
>Not like the phrase "polite sage" even meant anything in the first place.
Depends on the person asked. I didn't feel that my post warranted a bump, so I saged.

>No one can even tell you're sageing anymore.
Which is why I announced it.

>All that time i've spent looking for english subs, jerking off to english translated doujins, waiting for subs.
>I could have used that time to learn japanese

>>11814910
No one cares if you saged or not, dude. No one can see it either so there's no point in announcing it or trying to play it off as polite. It's not rude or polite, it's a goddamn sage. You use it when it's proper and that's that.

>>11814921
look mom I posted it again

>>11802431
>Starting my journey in one week
You'll be saying the same thing next week. Start now!

>>11814889
I don't drink. I hate the taste of it, and the only time I've ever been drunk I was a depressed wreck. All of my inner bitterness that I always repress comes out.

>>11814921
Hey I remember that guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EhEs2UVK3c

>>11814889
I always get a little tipsy so I can fall asleep easily for work the next day.

>>11818028
Nobody does, it's like rich pudding, you have to drink/eat respectively a few times until you develop an appreciation. Try trying different types of beers as well, that's important, so you can tell the fucking difference between piss and decent beer. You'll also learn to appreciate it from learning the differences.

>>11814889
>>11814899
>>11814910
>>11815210
Fuck jewts rules!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSWSri61KFI&t=10m43s
Is this a good way to learn Japanese?

>>11804342
>rashka

WHY ARE YOU USING THE KAWAII CONJUGATION

So I can't afford to have regular lessons so I'm thinking about teaching myself. I'm not too concerned about speaking, more reading and writing. Do any of you guys know if the Japanese From Zero books are any good? They seem to have good reviews on Amazon.

>>11812594
If you're socially awkward and you want to find a weed dealer you just need to get a job in anything food related. Seriously, get a part time job as a dishwasher or a waiter at a restaurant and within no time the chefs will ask you if you want to smoke a joint with them.

This rule applies worldwide. I know a whole bunch of chefs and they're ALWAYS good for drugs

I could pass JLPT N5 no problem, it's just that I don't wanna pay the insane fees for taking the exam here. It's almost 100 bucks here.

But then, N5 isn't worth shit, you'd need at least N2 to do any kind of work in japan meh.

I'm too busy learning about fucking Geology and rocks and shit yo

fucking rocks are awesome man

they have so much history man

like fuck

rocks are cool as shit

Because I am just an a traveling /v/irgin who decided to check for 2hu threads.

>>11821987

Please return to where you came from.

>>11822001
Okay, I already lurked through all the Touhou threads.

>>11822011
Why didn't you lurk through this one?

>>11821973
ahoy, fellow geologist!

jplt is about as good at judging fluency as a blt
it's junior high school level at best, stop deluding yourself

>>11822079
More or less.

I've taken JLPT1, Eiken 1kyuu, and recently TOEIC (probably 990 or close).

They're all around the same level, and any non-retard middle school student could pass them all with ease, and it's downright impossible to fail as a highschooler.

If you've never taken any of those, TOEIC and Eiken are about the same as the SAT or easier.

>>11822113
You mean Japanese high schooler or foreigner?

>>11822114
Respective natives of both languages.

>>11822079
>junior high school level

There's honestly not much difference between that and university graduate level. Most people have learnt the vast majority of vocabulary they'll ever know by that time.

The JLPT isn't comparable to native ability of any age. Learning a foreign language doesn't work like that.

>>11803814

> Technology industry

> Automobile industry

> Growing anime audience across the world

Yes, dying indeed.

>>11822220
>Most people have learnt the vast majority of vocabulary they'll ever know by that time.
Not really, especially if you go to college. I'm sure I've learned several thousand words since middle school.
Though I suppose it also depends what you count as words. Do names of countries and cities count? Names of stores and companies? Names of currencies?

>>11802632
Passing N1 on the JLPT is more the like starting point from which you can begin the road to fluency. Too many people think of it as a final destination, but it's more like a signifier that you have the bare minimum knowledge to start studying real Japanese (as opposed to textbook Japanese)

>>11822877

who are you quoting?

>live in japan
>good at spoken Japanese
>shit at kanji
>passed N3
>could easily pass N1 if there weren't so many kanji
>can't pass N2 kanji
>too lazy to study kanji
>job doesn't give a shit about JLPT anyway

>>11826023
who are you quoting?

>>11824005
This is true. I passed JLPT1 after 2 years, been learning for 2.5 years then at the same pace and still improving rather quickly.

>>11826023
>actually living in japan
Why would you do such a thing.

>>11826101
Not him, but I turned my life around completely by moving here.

>>11826027
What visual novel or touhou character is that?

>>11826101
Lots of qts. Good food. Good bars.

Why would you not want to?

>>11826807
It's the hotdog girl because i always think she's holding a hotdog in her hand but it's not a hotdog it's just a can

>>11826813
From which visual novel or touhou game?

>>11802331
Don't find it convenient to learn a dead language.

Wanting to try and start, remember hiragana from school but thats it. I have seen people recommend Genki and doing problems from that, but where exactly do I begin with that? I opened the workbook from genki 1 and it threw me in the deep end, opened the learning the kana book and it told me to have page 51 open on lesson 1 and im not sure what it is referring to. Or have I been given bad advice and should be starting elsewhere?

>>11828928
>workbook
>learnin kana
Buy/download the actual textbook.
The workbook isn't going to be that useful without the lessons.

>>11828939
As far as I know I got the full thing, Genki I - Integrated Elementary Japanese Course

And then the accompanying workbook. Guess I'll need to check again.

>>11826821
Color of White

japane a shit

It's kind of depressing that these Japanese threads have been around for years and years on /jp/, yet at any point in time there are maybe just 1-3 /jp/ers online who are actually fluent.

It just shows how much turnover there is in the userbase.

>>11829041

>>11832279
Why are you getting depressed over some vague statistics that you just made up?

>>11832392
They're accurate on a order of magnitude scale.

I expect /jp/ to step it from now. Let's set a target of 50% of the userbase having N1 by 2017. Chop chop.

>>11832412
Where are you getting this data from? How are you polling a pool of anonymous users on an image board?

I'm not fluent because I only started learning Japanese some time ago, but I'm trying my best to improve.

>>11832446
頑張って！

>>11832412
Add an extra one after the year.

>>11832419
My impressions, collated with the impressions of another couple of fluent people I've talked to on the matter.

>>11832504
So basically a bunch of bullshit. Nice.

>>11802402
You forgot latin, greek and klingon asshole

>>11833105
How does one speak klingon asshole? I'm guessing it would be tonal and frankly I never could wrap my mind around anything like that.

I IMed with a new friend for 2 days, for hours each day, and accidentally gave them the impression that I've been living in Japan almost my whole life (they already knew I was from abroad).

I feel like I've passed the Turing test.

Anyone else have any stories like this?

>>11840080
How long have you been studying Japanese?

>>11802564
most natives cant even do kanken

>>11803808
>Foreigners can't past kanken
Is that so?
http://www.kanken.or.jp/kanken/success/rank_1/

how do I start learning and make sure that I won't give up midway?

>>11844034
you dont

>>11844034
even learning kana and basic grammar is pretty nice, so it's ok if you give up midway
also, you can come back to learning later anyway, so you can't really give up

>>11844034
I love seeing girls squat because it looks like they are pooping and I love watching girls poop.

>>11841818
4.5 years or so

>>11844766
How much motivation/effort have you had/put in throughout the process?

>>11844656
Post of the Yer.
Yer of the Harse.

>>11814921
This image derides Anki and KanjiDamage and then, within the span of a few sentences, starts whining about people who don't like to learn how to write JP.

I think whoever made it might be retarded

>>11845388
Kanjidamage fucking sucks

>>11845391
Anki is good shitposter-san.

>>11845394
I never said Anki wasn't good. Kanjidamage is fucking awful, you're a shitposter for even mentioning it.

Learning slowly, almost have all the hiragana memorized and now onto grammar lessons.

>Start learning Summer 2013
>Receive gf out of nowhere
>Stop practicing
>She becomes slut, I break up with her
>Begin practicing again

3D girls ruin everything.

I KNOW 15 HIRAGANA SYMBOLS!
LIGHT NOVELS HERE I COME!

>>11845702
How do you remember them all? I tried HDTV and I could only remember 10 after a month. I keep trying to stay motivated but its so hard.

>>11845716
I wrote em on flashcards :)

>>11845432

no offense, but i wouldn't even consider memorizing hiragana and katakana a big accomplishment.

when you memorize 1000+ kanji and 1000+ full words (their definitions, pronunciations, and spellings), then you can consider yourself on the way to actually learning japanese.

I only speak the language of our Lord and Savior.

>2014
>communicating in anything other than American english

Why aren't you deriding inferior languages as the meaningless slur of sounds and scrawlings they truly are?

>>11846095
to fuck jap bitches

>>11846128
All ya really need is "watashi wa anon", "majeday", "oy ora" and "kimochi".

Also "so desu ka" or alternatively "so desu" when confronted with information you hadn't anticipated or simply do not understand.

まだペラペラじゃないけど、毎日頑張っていますよー！

>>11819652
If you're willing and able to not speak English at all for a while, sure. It's not realistic for those of us who have lives though.

>>11845352
Lots

I live in Japan and don't even use English that much now, except on /jp/.

>>11846191
Why the fuck do you browse /jp/ while living in Japan and knowing Japanese?

I've got the genki textbooks/workbooks/audio files/and answer keys if anybody wants em. Wouldn't take long to upload.

I passed JLPT N2 but can't pass N1 for the life of me. Results coming in a few days but I already know it's going to be a failure mark.

How does one bridge the gap between N2 and N1 while living in America with no Japanese friends? I feel like I've hit my limit without more immersion. The listening section was the only easy section.

>>11846200
If it's no trouble

>>11846232
No problem at all. Just give me a few minutes. I'll put them on mega or something.

>>11846220
Doesnt you pass JLPT with a little more than 50%?
How can that be hard?

>>11846272
Only 25% of the people who took the N1 test last year passed it

Besides, I think the scores are weighted, not raw.

>>11802331
Gorgeous. I just wrote on facebook Japanese and I would like to know the translation:
ちはるです(^ω^)ってはじめましてですよね？？もしかして会ったときあるかな？(ﾟ∀ﾟ) 前から知り合いかも？のところにLenskiyさんの名前が出てたから気になって友達申請しちゃいました(^ω^) なんか気になっちゃって♪ ってか私、フェイスブックやめるようかなって思ってるんです(´□｀) 変な人からメッセージ来るから、もうほとんどやってないんですよね。。(￣^￣) よかったらこれをきっかけに仲良くしてもらえませんか？(ﾟ∀ﾟ) chihapi-na7@i.softbank.jp フェイスブックやめる前に勇気出して連絡できてよかったぁ♪ 絶対、メールくださいね(ﾟ∀ﾟ)せっかくの出会いですもん♪

>>11846199
Because /jp/ and /a/ are good enough for 2d discussion even by Japanese standards. I don't feel like lurking Futaba for half a year to start posting. I'd rather spend more time on hobbies and chatting to interesting Japanese people personally than more message boards.

>>11846220
read more

I want to talk about Japanese karaoke and voice modulation but the janitor/moderator deleted my thread. I am very upset.

Is anyone else seriously interested in this kind of thing? I'm not sure where else to discuss on the English language web except maybe here.

>>11846559
discuss this ◯

>>11846566
◯_◯;

>>11846559
>>>/lgbt/

>>11846491
What should I read? Video game dialogue is too short/simple compared to the stuff in the N1 reading sections. Maybe checking daily news on yahoo JP or some other moon news site?

>>11846735
Read a book.

>>11846735
2ch, as the individuals there are extremely pleasant and intelligent.

>>11846286
Conglats, anon. You got Jap woman's attention.
I suck at English but anyway translated this.
>ちはるです(^ω^)ってはじめましてですよね？？
My name is Chiharu. Nice to meet you.
>もしかして会ったときあるかな？(ﾟ∀ﾟ) 前から知り合いかも？
We might met before.
>のところにLenskiyさんの名前が出てたから気になって友達申請しちゃいました(^ω^) なんか気になっちゃって♪
I found your name by chance and sent invitation of you. Because I'm attracted to you.
>ってか私、フェイスブックやめるようかなって思ってるんです(´□｀) 変な人からメッセージ来るから、もうほとんどやってないんですよね。。
Actually, I'm seriously thinking quitting facebook. Some strangers send messages to me.
>(￣^￣) よかったらこれをきっかけに仲良くしてもらえませんか？
I wish we could get along with.
>(ﾟ∀ﾟ) chihapi-na7@i.softbank.jp フェイスブックやめる前に勇気出して連絡できてよかったぁ♪
I'm glad to communicate with good guy like you before quitting facebook.
>絶対、メールくださいね(ﾟ∀ﾟ)せっかくの出会いですもん♪
Please don't fail to send an e-mail to me. I'd like not to miss this good chance.

>>11802331
Non-Japanese language studies, work, diminishing brain function due to age and mitigating factors, generalized apathy.

I'm planning on saving a bunch of money and taking a year-long sabbatical one day during which I will formally study Japanese for 6 months and then spend the remaining 6 months on the moon in cultural immersion.

>>11846753
People unironically engage in textual exchanges this monotonous and vapid? I am genuinely surprised this individual is intelligent enough to get the computer to acknowledge these dull messages as input.

Not even worth extracting nudes from, really.

>>11846775
Edgy as fuck dude.

>>11846781
If the translation is sufficiently accurate, and I've not totally misconstrued the cultural environment this person was generated it, the content is absolutely formulaic. To such an extent that I believed it warranted a response, actually.

"My name is x"

"We may have existing social ties from y"

"I want to be fucked."

"You should fuck me, because I'm socially valuable because of z."

"I want to be fucked."

"Please continue this interaction so that it may be socially acceptable for you to fuck me."

Some noble, poignant shit right here that is undeserving of the slightest of critique.

normie up this shit

>Still not a fluent japanese speaker
I have read and listened to a lot of things, but I have never spoken Japanese in my life.

>>11846800
i'm bleeding right now
everyone, run from those edges!