/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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Nope, get your weeaboo stuff back to your blog.

The gay version of checkers

I like Shogi, but I don't even know how to play it.

Too hard for my disgusting gaijin brain.

It's too hard

I became sort of interested in the game after watching Hikaru no Go, but then I tried playing it and it turned out to be really complicated and difficult. I wasn't able to learn how to play it, even though I had a Finnish guy who tried to help me learn it.

I could hold my own back in high school, but I haven't played in many years.

What is that, Connect 4?

/tg/ will occasionally have a thread.

I got to like 1dan on KGS ~10 years ago in high school. or maybe it was middle school. eh

i bet i could still play decently but it's not that interesting

>>11766555
Please teach me ;_;

>>11766555
>i bet i could still play decently but it's not that interesting
I kind of agree, but then again I think the same about chess and mahjong, and pretty much any other board game really.

I only got into Go because I liked the aesthetics of it.

For a few months a year or so back I got really into Dots and Boxes, which has some similarities to Go. I started playing on the Android version called Square Wars, learned the basic winning strategies, and practiced them to the point that I could beat every other person on the server except for this one guy who was really good. He invited me to come play at Little Golem, which I did for a while and fared alright, but eventually I started to become less interested in it as it dawned on me just how complicated the kind of calculations and thinking ahead that the best players were doing were. And this was Dots and Boxes, a very simple game. It made me think that top level Go players must really all be autistic savants.

>>11766620
They are. Look at how simple the game is by itself. It's ideas are even simpler than chess, yet it's a thousand times harder against good players.

I played a korean kid for two years in high school during our daily 15 minute homeroom

I was shit, so he'd always tell me a shape was dead before I knew

"it's dead"
"no it fucking isn't"

then the kimchee fucker would start putting my stones down for me with this smug look on his face and I'd shake the table as the bell rang.

those were good times

>>11766559
back then 1dan on KGS was like 10kyu professionally, probably even worse now. it's really nothing special.

Your move, /jp/.

I like the game a lot, but it's pretty hard. I don't know anyone to actually play with, so I always play against a computer. I've almost never won.

>>11766661
RON !

Ha, you really wanted that iipin to pass through?

That's 64,000点 !

>>11766668
http://www.gokgs.com/

>>11766681
Excuse me, this is an AMERICAN imageboard.

>>11766681
5 star post

Go is fucking awesome. I got into it through Chung Kuo, though, so it doesn't count as otaku culture for me.

I enjoy and am very good at Gomoku, which is played on a Go board and is basically Tic Tac Toe but 5 in a row, with one or two additional rules.

No idea how to play Go though.

how about you GO somewhere else!

>>11766950
can the verb 'to go' also mean to play go?

years ago I used to play on kgs. but playing against angry internet strangers isn't the best go experience I guess.

I wish I had a buddy so we could play once or twice a week while we drink tea and discuss the weather.

When do you reckon a computer will be able to play perfect game in go?

>>11767088
Do you understand what it means "to play perfect game"? This is far from being a thing in chess. And go is a few orders of magnitude higher than chess.

>>11767082
I'd play with you, anon-kun...
I mean, I'm really bad at it, but I'd like to learn how to improve!

I got into the game through my local university's Go club who play every Monday. It's pretty fun being able to play against similarly bad opponents (and teaching matches can be, too).

After watching Hikaru I thought of going to play but then I saw some dude in clothes like these and I backed off and gave up on the idea. He was probably a grandmaster or something so I would have just been a waste of his time.

>>11767082
yeah god some people on KGS were really really horrible to me. It was a very bad experience

This looks too hard to learn.

>>11767150

As long as they're not wearing the hats theyr'e not THAT strong.

>>11767096
Go, just like chess, is a game with a solution.

>>11767440
No shit Sherlock. The problem is that the game-tree complexity of chess is so huge that it may very well happen that humanity will never have enough computing power to brute force the solution.

>>11766439
Yeah I do. I just learned the simplistic form of Majong. I want to know Go though. Its Japanese so................

>>11767139
sure if someone creates a room on kgs I'll show up eventually and play some games if you feel like it

>>11767153
yeah but don't get me wrong though. some people on kgs are nice actually, they do reviews and give tips where you could do better.

but most users aren't like that. they're competitive assholes who try to salvage a victory by testing your patience for bullshit. also they're angry.

>>11767156
it's not really. I mean, compared to mahjong, shogi or even chess it's easy.

but when it comes to playing a decent game... well, it takes time to get a feeling for the real thrill of fights and things like that.

I wonder if ZUN is or used to be a regular go player. I remember seeing some of his drawings depicting the touhous playing.

>>11768400

>It's Japanese though
>Laughing Chinese men.gif

>>11768785
The only version that actually matters is Japanese.

>>11768805

There is no such thing as a "Japanese version" of Go, except for a slightly smaller komi.

>>11768387
To say it won't happen because it's too complicated is just silly, when all it takes is time and dedication.

>>11768805
Only for a few rare instances, Japanese scoring rules and Chinese Scoring rules agree.

>>11768899
lol you just have no idea of computational complexity.

Answering a more relevant question: Computers playing go better than humans is something that is happening right now. In the last 6 years there was a huge leap and I'm pretty sure in 20 years computer go engines will easily beat the best human players.

>>11766508
Same. Although without Sai, I lost interest in the anime.

>>11768937
And apparently neither do you, shitposter-kun. Perhaps what you're thinking of is state-space complexity? Because a game on a fixed board size has a computational complexity of precisely O(1) - you just need a lookup table that maps board configurations to optimal moves. Whether or not we know what that lookup table is is not relevant.

>>11769372
I thought Hikaru was being quite the bully when he wouldn't let Sai play at the end. Isn't that why Sai disappeared? Sai helped him so much, but in the end Hikaru didn't care enough to let Sai play even on occasion.

>>11769697
lmao you're really trying too hard here to justify your lack of discernment and to be honest I don't even feel like writing whole paragraphs to try to prove how wrong you are. Just go read some books dumbo.

>>11769829
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_complexity#Computational_complexity
>This concept doesn't apply to particular games, but rather to games that have been generalized so they can be made arbitrarily large, typically by playing them on an n-by-n board. (From the point of view of computational complexity a game on a fixed size of board is a finite problem that can be solved in O(1), for example by a look-up table from positions to the best move in each position.)

>>11769829
Please don't bully.

Hey my post got deleted.

>>11769850
Look, you're not understanding what wikipedia is talking about. I'll ask you some relevant things here to guide you:

How do you solve a game?
What are the physical barriers of computing a given problem?

>>11769888
I'm not >>11768899. I'm just pointing out the fact that computational complexity is not the matter at hand here, which is unquestionably true based on the Wikipedia article. Solving a game and physical barriers to computation are completely irrelevant to what I'm saying.

>>11769896
It is. Intractability is a huge topic when you study computational complexity.

>>11769912
Okay, fine.

>>11769959
Alright I'm sorry, I got frustrated because I thought you were just looking random things up to justify the naive notion that you can compute anything with enough dedication.

Now I get it that you were just being pedantic about what computational complexity means when it was clear (at least for me) that I was talking about the theory.

It'd be like if I mentioned algebra and you immediately jumped to correct what I'm saying by linking a wiki page about the mathematical object. http://nlab.mathforge.org/nlab/show/algebra

>>11768567
I made a private room called /jp/ Go. If you tell me your username I'll add you (and everyone else, who asks, too).

>>11769993
I'm sorry, I also apologize. I shouldn't've been so pedantic about it. I didn't mean to be rude to you.

>>11766439
Yup, it's hard though. GoPanda for playing.

>>11768785
I see the likeness of what you're saying. I still think Japan has a unique culture and I am open to learning the Japanese Go.

>>11773827
mak