/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Fujoshi strong

Touhou is not declining.

Kancolle shitters:
[x] fucking told

No new 2hu games
No new 2hu demo
ZUN got married and is busy with married
Doujin circles jumping to kancolle

touhou is double that of kancercolle

kancolle is finished. next year there will be 0. it's time for the janitor to start taking out the literal trash and deleting kancoll threads

kancolle? more like deadcolle lol

Who will win in a powerlevel fight? 2hu or CuntColle?

>>11734379 (You)
>>11734386 (You)
>>11734393
>>11734404 (You)
Go to sleep dude

>>11734413
Why did you forget to add (You) after one of the quotes?

>Kuroko's Basketball
how can this something be so poplar??

>>11734452
Yaoi.

>>11734452
Because fujoshi strong.

>>11734373
You're forgetting that Touhou has its own con to contain the overflow that wasn't at Comiket.

Where are these stats from anyway?

>Touhou Project - 2272
>Kan Colle - 1136
lmaooooooooooo

>>11734609
CuntColle will probably surpass 2hu in a few more Comikets tho

>>11734616
No one knows, and even if it does you're forgetting there's Reitaisai.

>>11734625
2hu will never be surpassed

>>11734664
Stop kidding yourself. By this time next year the numbers will be reversed. In two years Touhou will barely register. People are finally getting tired of the repetitive, overrated games and same shallow characters.

>>11734746
says the kancolle brony

>>11734751
I don't care much for Kancolle really, I'm just glad that the Touhou fad is finally over. It's sad to see such pathetic source material waste so much talent.

>>11734664
Welp

>>11734754
>I'm just glad that the Touhou fad is finally over. It's sad to see such pathetic source material waste so much talent.
Kantai collection will take its place along with all of the other fandoms.

Their core fanbases do not overlap, however, since the two series are not interchangeable. A browser game about battleships isn't going to cannibalize a shump with medieval japanese themes.

>>11734888
The nature of the source material is meaningless. Touhou's popularity has nothing to do with it being a shooter. Kancolle isn't popular because it's a browser game.

I don't mean to be a hater but Kancolle as a game is so goddamn boring. I am not using atistic as an insult but it is really really autistic.

>>11735104
And Touhou is considered a joke by people who actually play shmups. The quality of the game almost seems inversely proportional to the praise it receives.

>>11735123
>people who actually play shmups.
So no one of importance? As long as people like the games what is the problem

>>11735089
The point I was making was that a series doesn't up and vanish if it is no longer popular. There are still people who make gunplas, cosplay as Yoko Littner, and buy K-ON doujinshi. These franchises has long since waved goodbye to their salad days and most casual fans have moved on.

Touhou has an outer body of secondaries and an inner body of primaries and hardcore fans. This community will only shrivel up and die off when ZUN stops producing new content. Until then, we will consume whatever he throws at us.

>>11735129
The only people who "like" the games are those who want to play shmups but aren't skilled enough to play the real thing. Everyone else just puts in a few runs on normal in a day so they can go back to their secondary stuff.

Also, I don't get why Kancolle fans constantly feel the need to attack Touhou.

I'm serious, you have your game, we have ours. Is this a thing specific to military otaku? I doubt it, since it feels more like it's just a dozen or so autists constantly goading each other into shitting up threads on /jp/.

did meguca have more entries than nanoha last time?

>>11735151
Yeah, also I think the Kancolle anime feels like a quick cash in but it will help the overall popularity, possibly beyond touhou. One thing I have noticed is that non-h doujinshi Kancolle isn't all that robust compared to the porn. Porn circles tend to ride popularity.

>>11735153
Most real shmups make me feel queasy.
What's a good real shmup?
The dondonpachi games are the ones I think of when I hear shmups, but they also make me feel the worst. The only shmup I can really say I actually like is Radiant Silvergun.

>>11735163
>Kancolle fans constantly feel the need to attack Touhou.
I think it is reciprocal to both. I have nothing against kancolle personally, I don't mind it in any way. Ain't my cup of tea but neither are idols.

Anime hinders rather than helps.
It's a short term way to make money off of the hype, but it also solidifies a canon which could possibly dissuade from further dedicated fanwork production, so it most likely will hurt in the long term.

>>11735163
There's no reason in particular. It's just a simple case of "our cute girls > your cute girls".

That's basically otaku culture in a nutshell actually.

>>11735202
I agree but C86 and C87 will likely be dominated. I don't know if it will pass touhou, considering touhou circles are still increasing.

>>11735205
People don't argue who's favorite touhou is better than someone else's. They rarely compare games by characters too.

>>11735216
Your favorite Touhou a shit.

>>11735205
>That's basically otaku culture in a nutshell actually.
Kancolle fanbase is especially agressive and autistic.
I rarely see Love Live! fans shitting on iM@S fans or viceversa, if ever.

And nobody actually gives a shit about kantais getting popular, especially not people who are active fans of either boat bitches or 2hus.

>>11735276
It's just a handful of homolords from /k/.
Pay them no heed. Everything to them is a zero-sum game where it is shoot first or be shot, even internet arguments.

Wow I don't know Basara is that popular.

Date must be a total swag.

Kuroko's Basketball? What the hell is that?

>>11736125

I don't like that I have to play a game to know about kancolle. I hate games. I just want cute characters.

Can I get into Kancolle without actually playing the game or winning a lottery?

>>11736129
Kill yourself

Why is Nanoha not dead already?

>>11736129
Yes, just download and fap to the doujins, ignore the haters and stuff. There's less canon to kancolle than 2hu so you're not missing much.

>>11735163
It's actually Kancolle haters who always want to pick fights in an attempt to get most of /jp/ to hate it and it's fanbase.

>>11734373
I think I'm more worried about Kuroko's Basketball taking over than Kancolle, based on these numbers. That's gonna be a lot of ball-fondling doujins.

>>11736138
shut the fuck up and >>>/v/

>>11736158
Why would you want something awful like that to happen?

>>11736158
You don't like nanoha? I think it's okay.

Spoilers: 90% of Touhou circles are only in it for the easy cash, pixiv bookmarks, etc. Once people see the massive KanColle sales at its FIRST major Comiket, all popular Touhou artists will jump ship. And no one can blame them, they're just going to where all the money is.

The only people left who will be drawing Touhou are the die-hard fans who actually care about the paper-thin story and characters. But at least all the secondaries are gone, right?

>>11736205
...chigao... chigao..

>>11736192
>>11736196
It's been 6 years since the last series.
I don't get the hype, it's a very boring show with pretty girls, pretty uniforms and hectic animation quality. A good fap material, but nothing else.
Yet, there are way too many people liking it for the plot or something.

>>11736170
I think it's actually people like >>11734754, the people sick of Touhou, doing all this. They probably think that if they say it enough it'll be true.

>>11736227
血顔・・　血顔・
joke was selfmaid

>>11736239
Do you read the manga? Tactical Force or whatever was not horrible. I think it's ongoing too.

Infinite Stratos reminds me of Nanoha. So does Muv Luv. I'm sure there are others.

>>11736248
>Do you read the manga?
Nope.
I haven't seen Infinite Stratos, but I know this faggot who is a die-hard Nanotard and loves IS and Dog Days too. In the case of the latter I can agree the similarity. But I definitely don't see anything alike between Nanoha and Muv-Luv.

>>11736205
And most of them are porn artists and I don't care about them anyway.

and I actually fine with some of my favorite artists moved from Touhou. They seem to did it out of genuine interest.

>>11736257
Never mind. I had to look at the synopsis for Muv Luv to realize that the two have nothing in common besides female dominant casts and mecha

Remember, no thanking.

>>11736748
I can already feel the autism.

>>11736748
Thanks for reminding me. Will those people from /v/ ever learn?
*thread derails*

People who honestly compare Kancolle to Touhou are incredibly out of touch with the Japanese fandom... Touhou is established to such a ridiculous point over here now that it's pretty silly to compare it to anything. It's like saying that X new science fiction TV show is going to kill Star Trek.

>>11736804
The only people trying to compare the two are assholes with no base in either game trying to start shit between the two groups.

>>11736804
>>11736843
Why are you buttblasted over the fact that people are moving away from your shitty shooter to a shitty browsergame?

>It's like saying that X new science fiction TV show is going to kill Star Trek
But Trek is pretty much dead due to lack of new content and fans getting bored of it. Deal with it, the 2hu boom is over, it can only go downward from here.
Except touhou is going to crash even harder because ZUN doesn't have the corporate mindset to keep up the interest. Unless he decides to milk the franchise there's no way ZUN is going to release another game -let alone a quality one- now that he has a bitch and possible kids to feed.

>>11736129
Read moege instead.

>>11737012
You seem like a very insecure person. No one minds or cares if kancolle becomes more popular.

One thing you are getting wrong though is
A) kancolle is not yet established in the same way Nanoha, Touhou, Type-moon, or Sailer Moon are
B) The rate at which touhou fanworks are being produced is still growing, touhou still hasn't maxed out its popularity.

>>11736129
There is very little wrong with being a kancolle secondary

>>11734373
This thread is secondaries fighting crossies, with actual fans shaking their heads in frustration.

>>11736129
I'll give you a rundown so far.

Ryuujou is flat
Akagi eats alot
Yukikaze is a beaver
Shimakaze is fast and a loner
Kitakami is gay for Ooi and vise versa.
Kongou is British
Isuzu is being farmed for radars
Naka is no one's idol.

I think that's the important ones. Thus ends your guide to Kancolle doujin.

>>11737071
Which one is the loli with big breasts? That's the only one I have fapped to so far.

>>11737071
Sounds as rich and vibrant as touhou

>>11737070
Don't pretend like Western Kancolle fans even know what the games are about

Danbooru entries for touhou: 341,000
Danbooru entries for kancolle: 14,000

Touhou's start date: 1995
Kancolle's start date: April 2013

Average fan art per year for kancolle: 21,000
Average fan art per year for touhou: 18,944

Kancolle is getting a game and an anime, it over for touhou.

I'll be the first to say this but...the game is too simple. There is not enough mechanics to keep me interested.

>>11737116
Kancolle fans are /v/ and /a/ crossies, most are anyways. They are the new idolfags as far as I am concerned.

>>11737056
>No one minds or cares if kancolle becomes more popular
But otaku fandom can only grow at the expense of itself by sucking away fans. Normals won't become otaku from shitty games likes these. Trek appealed to a wide and international audience, while otaku shit is catered toward otaku and doesn't try to reach others. There is a limited amount of fans available whom the companies have to fight for.

Of course 2hu fags won't stop liking 2hu, but will dedicate more time to Kancolle to the point they slowly stop caring about 2hu.

>>11737086
Keep telling yourself that

>>11737125
All /jp/'s original Touhou fans crossboarded over from /a/ or /v/. The analogy continues perfectly.

>>11737135
He's an otaku otaku.

>>11737126
[citation needed]

Does kancolle have the staying power of touhou? Touhou's biggest attribute is its staying power rather than the volume of works that comes from it.

I don't know that much about kancolle. Can someone give me an unbiased opinion if it can grow on itself like touhou can?

Oh oh, I remember this one
>gundam is finished now that code geass is here

Who Basarafag here?

How's the new game?

>>11737147
Touhou was something that slowly and steadily rose to the top, whereas Kancolle is currently still riding on novelty value.

Part of it really depends on what happens to the game in the future. If they manage to keep it interesting (for a browser game, anyway) it definitely will have a fair amount of staying power even if the initial surge and hype dies down.

>>11737156
Gundam killed itself and handed over all those possible new fans to other mecha.

>>11737012
This is part of the reason why I like touhou, It's just the product of one drunk programmer and his tall tales. He's not doing it to get filthy rich. l and he's letting the fans fill in the gaps with what they want. From what I've seen, kancolle doesn't have that same pull and they're deliberately sexualizing their characters in order to get more customers. That's a turn-off for me, I just want to read stories written by my fellow fans of cute girls drinking tea and flinging glowing balls at each other in pseudo-tokugawa Japan, not hypersexual corporate slop that's beimg fed to the filthy masses.

>>11737147
If you've played Cinderella girls or Pazudora or anything like that, It's similar. Cinderalla Girls has certainly stuck and Kancolle will most likely stick around too.
Whether it keeps expanding or not is debatable. There's no doubt that the anime will boost popularity, but at the same time, it's pretty much also guaranteed to be the peak of it's popularity.

>>11737166
I bet you use Linux too.

>>11737140
Is this what they call a...metataku?!?!

>>11737178
ikr

>>11737170
There are men (and maybe a woman or two) who will be into Gundam until when their relatives bury them with their gunplas

>>11737171
Puzzles and Dragons is on a whole other level, it's solidly mainstream in Japan. Kancolle may have a million registered players but at the end of the day it's still about clothing damage.

>>11737186
I agree that Puzzles and Dragons is on another level, but on pixiv and futaba and such, Pazudora has become less relevant compared to Kancolle.

>>11737166
Yeah, touhou still has that charm. Because of how plastic kancolle seems I doubt we will care about it in 5 years.

>>11737171
>Cinderalla Girls
It doesn't seem to be all the rage anymore though. It is still very popular but just a short while ago it was insanely popular.

>>11737178
What are you talking about? He's right, if ZUN wanted to be filthy rich he'd ask people for royalties from derivatives and let companies made Touhou anime a lot of time ago.

Kancolle has better, more interesting designs. Touhous tend to run altogether and are pretty plain, especially any touhous made after 2008.

>>11737256
Almost all of them just wear seifuku of some sort, it's not that exciting. Only a few of them are interesting.

>>11737250
ZUN is dumb.
He is married now too.
Either he starts making money with touhou or see it dying slowly, because you can be sure he is not going to waste his time on it now that he has a family.

>>11737280
I thought it was the standard for married Japanese men to do whatever they did when they were single and totally ignore their families.

>>11737280
I second this.
Trust me, I've seen people with families, and it's exactly like this.

>>11737280
I thought he has married since PCB.

Also, ZUN sells brewery.

>>11737285
Only if that "whatever they did" was working their ass off at the office.

>>11735153
I 2-all'd most Cave games in half the time it took me to beat Touhou games on loony. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about apparently.

>>11737292
ZUN and his wife knew each other and were in a relationship since IN.
Nothing really changed, except they're officially married now.

>>11737318
They married because they're ready to have kids.

Kancolle and touhou are actually quite similar. Both has absurdly canonically bland personality characters with irrelevant plot and being games with very obscure target audience. That being said in terms of character design I still prefer touhou even though zun draws like shit.

Still its a wonder to me how come these games got picked up by so many people.

>>11737276
>>11737256
Touhou designs are too off the wall if anything.

>>11737292
Genius. He can subsidize affordable, non-profit 2hu with ZUN-brand beer!

Frankly, I would be perfectly accepting if he were to come out with a Hakurei Shrine Maiden IPA. Or Nameless Fairy fortified wine.

>>11737342
Sexualizing your characters right off the bat can be a turn-off for many; it says to me that you're compensating for a lack of genuine talent.

>>11737393
Thankfully Japanese devs aren't concerned with radical feminists.

>>11737402
>radical feminists
What?

>>11737402
This may surprise you, but most people don't want to have tits and asses constantly shoved in their faces all the time.

>>11737445
Maybe if you're gay or somtehing.

Kancolle is a shit ripoff that is nothing but a quick cash grab and dumb niwaka otaku all fall for it.

They even went so low that they ripped off some Touhou girls

>>11737450
>>11737402
It cheapens it if they are officially lewd. Lewd derivative works are okay but when they are officially pieces of meat I like it a whole lot less.

>>11737467
I wish everyone was as original as zun-sama

>>11737081
Please respond /jp/

>>11735151
>This community will only shrivel up and die off when ZUN stops producing new content
at that point companies would pick up the license and start making the ever so wished animu that would create another touhou boom.

>>11737473
伊１９

>>11737467
next you're going to claim zun's characters are original

>>11737467

>>11737472
>>11737481


BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

le kusocolle original girl™

need more rape!

>>11737486
Sanae knows when a ship is sinking.

>>11737483
>BLOWN
>THE
>FUCK
>OUT
>>>/b/

>>11737487
Kancolle rape is weirder and more depressing because there's already a whole fleet of potential tentacle rapists.

How is Kuroko's Basketball?
I like otaku culture and it looks very popular.

>>11737506
I'm more for Sailors fucking the girls brain out but Tentacle works as well.

>>11737507
Do you like gay basketball?

>>11737519
Not really, but I also never liked world war 2 ships.

>>11737518
Admiral gets to fuck a lot of the girls but most of that is love love shit. Rape is usually abyss rape with tentacles and mindbreak and monsters and shit.

>>11737528
Other admirals can be used for NTR scenarios

>>11737528
Great, tentacle porn is a huge turnoff for me

>>11737528
>>11737518
There are males in kancolle? I am glad I never got into that, sounds too normalfaggy.

>>11737541
There aren't

>>11737541
you're the admiral as far as I know

>>11737541
There aren't, at least not in my kancolle.
I'm a girl after all.

>>11737528
There is already a fair share of Shimakaze gangraped by Sailors but not much of the other girls.

>>11734373
10 series oriented on female demographics
8 series oriented on male demographics
4 series oriented on both


How do you feel about women taking over Comiket?

>>11737574
What are the both? Vocaloid, Tales?

>>11737574
Fujoshits have always been a significant niche.

>>11737574
"Taking over?" Comiket has always been a girls' club.

Okay so Kancolle went from 0 to 1366 in less than a year.

But the question is how far it will go. I suspect it won't even come close to Touhou but only time will tell.


Also, I really want to see that Touhou giantess doujin coming out now sold in digital format, or if they won't do that then I want to see it scanned.

>>11737579
Attack on Titan?

>>11737574
Comiket is mostly women.
The stuff you see translated on exhentai and such is mostly men or course, but Comiket is still predominately women.

>>11737541
There's the faceless admiral self-insert.
So you can insert yourself like in a cheap harem shit.
Say what you will about 2hu but at least it never lowered itself to such pandering filth.

>>11737592
>>11737579
Pokemon, Vocaloid, Tales, Attack on Titan

>>11737616
What about Fate?

>>11737588
Stable, for now.

>>11737610
It's too bad that it didn't since I love that.

>>11737618
Fate and Gintama probably both have plenty of straight and gay pairings.

>>11737574
Men
>Touhou Project - 2 272
>Kan Colle - 1 136
>IdolM@ster - 930
>Precure - 283
>Love Live - 270
>Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha - 248
>Madoka - 246
Total: 5 385

Women
>Kuroko's Basketball -1 462
>Tiger & Bunny - 688
>Hetalia - 461
>Sengoku Basara - 422
>Uta no Prince-sama - 372
>Free! - 370
>Prince of Tennis - 320
>Haikyū!! - 304
>Magi - 274
Total: 4 673

???/All
>Attack on Titan - 698
>Vocaloid - 449
>Fate - 354
>Gintama - 304
>Pokemon - 204
>Tales - 198
Total: 2 207

A series was categorized under a specific gender if a google search of it returned results indicating a clear direction toward one gender.
This is most likely not completely accurate, and I wait warmly for /jp/ to point out my mistakes.

>>11737507
Imagine that you're experiencing comiket in 90's, and Slam Dunk was on the peak of its popularity among fangirls.

>>11737724
Seems pretty accurate

>>11737724
>Women
>Magi - 274

Based on what I've seen and doujinshi results on sad panda (yaoi:32 straight:58)
I'd say its for both.

>???/All
>Pokemon - 204

Is there really that much fujoshi content based on this series?
I don't think I've seen a single one.

>>11737610
>>11737623
I generally don't like man x woman pairings (a notable exception being really loving relationships) and the lack of males is one of the reasons I like Touhou. If Kancolle is what it takes to get such fans away from Touhou then so be it.

Having said that, there have been some Kancolle female admiral x shipgirl doujins so it's not like the series is completely devoid of that.

>>11737790
Why do you hate natural love?

>>11737790
Admiral x His Wife pairing is the best

>>11737842
1 why does he have a face
2 last panel you can tell where her belly button is, wtf?

>>11736239
Nanoha is doing great with the Vivid and Innocence manga series. There's also Force.

Innocence is pure fanwank, but that's what's makes it so great. Vivid is about cute gay lolis fighting.

>>11736242
>joke was selfmaid
>joce was self-invented :DDDD
Oh god, here comes the wave of Ylilauta cross-siters.

>>11737588
I want something to surprass Touhou already, most of people doing doujins of it are people without new ideas (except the musicians, but i'm talking about doujin lewd or not), but it seems like it won't be KanColle, it's just a boom, it will be even lower in next Comiket.

>>11737866
1 - because this time around admiral isn't a rapist
2 - delicious fetish uniforms

>>11737885
DADS RAYCISS YOU FUGGIN NIGGER :DDDD

>>11737130
Correction: the original batch of secondaries came here from /a/ or /v/. There are Touhou fans on here, me included, who haven't even been to any of those cancerous boards.

>>11737787
Pokemon will be always neutral, yaoi or not.

>>11737897
So you weren't on 4chan before moot created /jp/?

>>11737172
Close enough.

>>11737809
I don't know actually. I kind of wish I wasn't like this, but there's not a whole lot I can do. It's not that I hate myself for being like this ─ I like myself in fact ─ it's just not really optimal.

>>11737842
At least he has a face and it's actually fits him.

>>11737897
So was /jp/ your very first exposure to the internet? Or did you come from some other community?

>>11737336
>implying implications
They might also have married because they know that they click together and aren't going to get tired of each other just yet. That's a massively common reason for getting married - to solidify a relationship.
Christ, people have been screaming about the same shit since IN. ZUN's still going strong, and you're still ranting about the same doomsday scenarios.

>>11737895
fungg :DDDD
id's habbiding X---DDD
all is lots :DDD

>>11737902
>>11737910
Where in my post am I implying any of those? I started by posting on Neoseeker, then I came to /jp/ after a few years. Lurked for a few more, now regularly shitpost.

>>11737574
look at this crossboarder

>>11737574
>taking over
You should have said stranglehold.

The main reason of Touhou staying first even now is simple: It's the generic source of a secured sale.
Lots of people draws for events like this just to sell, not because they actually want to draw something. Don't you follow some artits in pixiv that just suddenly appear at Comiket and then dissapear again? And of course they are not genius with new ideas all the time. Then what's the easier way to get a sale? Draw Touhou. Compose Touhou arranges. Cosplay Touhou, etc. It's the default source, of course it will be always first because amateur people do not want to risk their little money to create doujins or music for something you don't know it will sell.

>>11737787
Duly noted. Thank you for your assistance.

>Men
>Total: 5 385

>Women
>Total: 4 399

>???/All
>Total: 2 481

>>11735202
Actually, you could partially mitigate this effect by having multiple anime canons.

Of course, not many franchises have tried to do this, so I'm not sure of the side effects.

>>11737574
You mean men taking over? A few years ago it'd be Touhou and then 10 fujoshi franchises in a row.

>>11738819
Doing that would probably increase production costs.

>>11738907
Done well, the returns would be well worth the costs, given KanColle's nature.

>>11737945
>amateur people do not want to risk their little money to create doujins or music for something you don't know it will sell

Amateur people do things they personally like. Most doujinshi won't ever sell, period. There are people who make doujin goods for money, but they're a minority because people making money from doujin sales are a minority.

Not to mention the surest way to make money from doujinshi is to draw porn, and Touhou never had much of it. (That should probably be a good way to measure where Kancolle stands. If it's like 90% porn, my money is on it fizzling out once the initial hype goes down. If it's on Touhou levels (~20%), it's here to stay.)

>>11738819
I'm hoping it's a gag anime, because being way too serious makes me lose interest after an episode or two. Something like MH.

But even then, there's also the problem of having to "compete" against a professional work. I'm sure if Touhou got a full anime, stuff like Maikaze's anime or the tons of PVs out there would never happen, seeing as how you'd pretty much be spending a ton of time putting out something that a full animation team would do in a fraction of the time, not to mention you'd probably lose in terms of quality too.

>>11738972
>if Touhou got a full anime
MMDs of non-anime subjects are more popular as well, surprisingly. I think touhou's popularity is helped by the lack of an anime, I can have my little gensokyo and have very little conflicts with canon. When I do have conflicts with canon I can usually rationalize it away, which isn't all that easy if you have an anime. The only thing that would work as an anime for touhou would be something like WaHH.

I doubt the kancolle anime will serious business though.

>>11738938
I have seen tons of kancolle porn and only a few non-porn works. I don't know of any circles doing music for it either.

>>11738972
What's MH?
Zun already said he was already approached by studios and there won't be an anime.

>>11739303
>Zun already said he was already approached by studios and there won't be an anime.
Once he knocks up his woman and the bills pile up... Will it be action or SoL?

>>11739303
Milky Holmes.

>>11739320
>Once he knocks up his woman and the bills pile up
nigga owns a brewery
He'll be selling oni-themed lagers! Kappa-brand stouts! Celestial-themed nothing, because no one likes the celestials!

>>11736257
I just want Vita to surge back at full strength. Nanoha as a series is less important than Vita.

Return my Vita to me.

>>11739320
You who seem desperate about telling ZUN will make an anime because of his family

>>11737122
That kind of statistic doesn't even make sense. It's not as though Danbooru was launched in 1995.

>>11739415
If it's fanart worth mentioning, it's on Danbooru.
No exceptions.

Newest stats from Toranoana
>Toranoana C85 Doujinshi Rankings
>1 Kantai Collection - (622)
>2 Touhou (506)
>3 Shingeki no Kyojin (298)
>4 TIGER & BUNNY (172)
>5 THE IDOLM@STER (155)
>6 Utapri (101)
>6 Free！ (101)
>8 Hetalia (83)
>9 Danganronpa (79)
>10 Madoka (67)
>11 Nanoha (63)
>12 Love Live! (60)

>>11739255
>I have seen tons of kancolle porn and only a few non-porn works. I don't know of any circles doing music for it either.
If you want to actually take a good look at the distribution you should look in the catalog. I haven't looked too closely myself, but there were dozens at M3-32. The only ones I recognized at a glance were Melodic Taste and Yuuhei Satellite, though.

>>11739415
´´There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics."

>>11739255
>I have seen tons of kancolle porn and only a few non-porn works. I don't know of any circles doing music for it either.
If you want to actually take a good look at the distribution you should look in the catalog, although I didn't look too closely myself.

As for Kantai music, there were dozens at M3-32, but the only circles I recognized at a glance were Melodic Taste and Yuuhei Satellite.

>>11739427
The only reference for these numbers is /a/, according to google

I don't see this article on their website and no one gives a shit about your made up /a/ statistics

>>11739427
>10 Madoka (67)
What the fuck, I dont think there're even 67 madoka stuff on e-hentai. where the f do all the scans go.

>>11739450
Not him, but it seems believable enough.
You can't deny that alot of artists are releasing a Kancolle book this comiket. But whether or not this means they'll continue to put out Kancolle stuff in the future can warrant debate.

>>11739450
try searching for the untranslated one you fucking retard what language do you think the original source is going to be iin

>>11739454
the vast vast vast majority of shit is never scanned

>>11739460
I suspect it will lose some traction after the anime ends but if it is still moderately popular I would be pleasantly surprised.

>>11739466
Their website is untranslated, how else would do you think he is looking at it? Google translate? Does /a/ just go to /jp/ and ctrl+f "c85" threads to shitpost in them

>>11739479
Thanks for the upload.

>>11739479
if he used google on a back-translated list he would have instantly found the source (the toranoana C86 mail order reserve list) but he's too fucking retarded to do that instead he would rather just make fun of /a/ because that's what REAL DEAL (retarded) /jp/sies do

>Does /a/ just go to /jp/ and ctrl+f "c85" threads to shitpost in them
/jp/ shits on itself far more than /a/ ever could

/a/ could organize a two hundred man raid and /jp/ still wouldn't get any shittier

>>11739479
if he used google on a back-translated list he would have instantly found the source (the toranoana C85 mail order reserve list) but he's too fucking retarded to do that instead he would rather just make fun of /a/ because that's what REAL DEAL (retarded) /jp/sies do

>Does /a/ just go to /jp/ and ctrl+f "c85" threads to shitpost in them
/jp/ shits on itself far more than /a/ ever could

/a/ could organize a two hundred man raid and /jp/ still wouldn't get any shittier

>>11738938
Most of the porn circles I like that are doing a new kancolle book are ones I never seen do a touhou book. I agree with you, non-h doujinshi are the best meassure of popularity.

>>11739255
>and have very little conflicts with canon
See >>11738819 about multiple anime canons.

Has a franchise ever aired 2 or more of the same series in a single season? That'll certainly throw the word "canon" out of the window.

>>11739498
kancolle has multiple official manga running right now.

>>11739491
>>11739495
lol

>>11739501
Also many one-shots of dubious canonicity published in the official collections.

>>11739504
gomenasai i will be more careful about making typos when shitting on completely retards in the future

>>11739501
That's not uncommon though

>>11739466
I know that already, man. It's just too sad.

> There exists lewd Mami pics that never get to see the light (of a scanner), forever waiting to see my erected dick.

>>11739511
>completely
IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING

>>11739501
It'll make a much greater impact if it's anime instead of manga. 20 different official manga published together will still have less impact than 2 official anime series published together.

>>11739498
Having two anime airing at the same time seems like a very excessive way to accomplish something that a single anime could do by having self contained/non-connected episodes.

Carnival Phantasm did it well enough. But it still doesn't completely mitigate all the potential downfalls of having an anime. I still think this anime is more detrimental than helpful. Kancolle is popular enough such that the people who would play it have already heard about it, so further exposure doesn't help as much.

>>11739531
Everything that gets an animated adaptation (which doesn't totally suck) gets a popularity boost. Everybody had at least heard of F/SN and OreImo before the anime but they still become way more popular afterwards.

>>11739544
I think you're overestimating their popularity in hindsight.

>>11739544
Yeah, but my point is that the increased increased exposure effect has decreasing returns to scale with starting popularity, and that the long term negative effect (possible canon conflict, decrease in motivation) isn't worth it in this case.
Again, all I'm doing is speculating and you shouldn't take what I'm saying as anything more than a bunch of rambling about a topic I'm interested in.

I don't think Kancolle being this popular will be a big issue for touhou. I think the quality of works will improve actually. The people who only do what is popular will do Kancolle and their works wont be missed anyway. I could see Kancolle having a rough time actually, since the characters are a bit minimal in design, which is not bad, everybody can put in own ideas. But I can see it happening that half the doujins will be the equivalent of a touhou doujin that's basically "Cirno is a baka, meiling is lazy, letty is fat, yuyuko a glutton" and so on. So we might get a ton of very one dimensional mangas.
I also don't think the anime will bring that much of a bigger popularity on comikets, but will make Kancolle popular outside of japan. But those have no influence on japans doujin market. The anime might be bad for the doujin scene too.
It's hard to foresee how it will go, but I doubt it will end touhou.

>>11739531
>further exposure doesn't help as much

Kancolle doesn't need more exposure, indeed. But what it does need is more ways people can throw money at it.

>>11739328
Wha?

C85? More like KC85 eh?

>>11739681
They invented a great new way you can throw money at the game. It costs $40 to roll the mega-ship construction gacha (most sane people will use in-game currency for it, the exchange rate is fucking awful).

>>11739728
Surely nobody actually purchases resources

>>11739740
A few nutters did.

Well, there's all kinds of official merchandise you can blow your cash on instead if that's more your style.

>>11739674
I think nothing short of a meteor hitting the earth and wiping out humanity would kill touhou. There have been tons of very popular flavor of the year fizzle out. I am not saying kancolle will fizzle out but it is hard to say what will happen after only its 2nd comiket. Like with most things I think it will just have its own fanbase. Unlike most people (true?) I have't seen my favorite circles go over to kancolle which makes me think that their fans are thier fans.

>>11739823
There might aswell be some that are happy to do something not touhou for once. Although the people thinking they need to put something out each comiket for their fans instead of their own interest are probably a minority. Better than people making unimaginative touhou mangas.
Personally I can't get into Kancolle, the whole thing of needing a proxy, the lotterie and so on is putting me off. So I have no idea if it has great music and such stuff. You only see porn of shimabutt mostly.

>>11734616

Not if it follows the same trend as other franchises with anime adaptations.

Remember, Kancolle is going to have an anime airing next year. If any other anime/otaku fads are an indication, its fandom will be at its peak while it's airing, and then simmer down once it's done. Doubly so if it turns out to be shitty.

I'm not sure why, but the last episode of an anime always tends to mark the end of hype for its respective franchise.

>>11739996
That's because the ``drop'', is actually collective loss of interest from the anime-only types. In reality it's just that the core population reverts to roughly the same state as before the anime, with some of the earlier people leaving because reasons, such as hipsterism, disgust at the ``fandom'', or disillusioned by a seeming loss of popularity.

>>11737071

This is just sad, and I actually like Kancolle.

Seriously, there is no way it will survive at this level of popularity. I give it 2 years max.

Touhou can keep introducing new characters for 50 years. Kancolle already have pretty much full cast.

What's left? Small ships nobody will use or care about? Foreign ships? Yeah, I'm sure nationalist and racist nips will love foreign ships.

>>11740067
Yes, you have to remember Kancolle is backed by the yakuza. No way in hell are they going to allow full-blown foreign ships.

>>11740035

I'd say it's a little different this time. The end of the anime adaptation will cause it to revert to less than what it used to be beforehand.

Touhou has lots of reason for why it's stayed popular--It's got bullet patterns that would blow away any inexperienced shmup player, it's got excellent music, it's got a huge fantasy world with lots of female characters, and it's known to be "popular" in the bandwagon sense.

On the other hand, Kancolle's biggest reason for becoming so popular in such a short period of time is mainly because of an overwhelming perception that it's "in". This has been triggered through viral marketing and word-of-mouth via social media sites like Twitter, Pixiv, etc. Other than it's large (albeit hollow) female cast, this bandwagon-style perception of popularlity is the only thing keeping it popular right now.

When you have a franchise where 90% of its core population (especially the doujin artists) is comprised of people who joined because it's popular, any perceived loss of popularity will likely drive most of them away.

So if the anime airs, it's going to attract the anime-only types and the fanbase will undoubtedly increase more. However, once the anime stops and the anime-only crowd goes away, the core audience will interpret that as Kancolle becoming less popular. This in turn will cause members of the non-anime core audience to go away. The end result is that the fandom diminishes to a smaller state than what it used to be, because the only thing that keeps them drawn to Kancolle is the perception that it's popular.

While it will definitely remain popular for the upcoming year or so, I don't a franchise that remains popular for the sake of being popular will be able to keep it up for that long.

>>11740067
>I'm sure nationalist and racist nips will love foreign ships.

Actually, yeah, I'm sure they will. They like foreign pilots in Strike Witches. They like foreign countries in Hetalia. Even Touhou has foreign youkai and they like them too.

>>11740131

Otaku and fujoshis love hot foreigners.

The japanese mainstream on the other hand?

Kancolle rides on mainstream popularity.

And foreign ships are not going to be better or really appealing. There will be no BB's more powerful than Yamatos. Nor guns bigger than 46cm.

>>11740067
KanColle is nowhere near introducing the whole of IJN. They're also going to cover foreign ships as well. At the very least, they've already announced their intention to cover German ships.

>>11740141
Fujoshi does not mean 'female otaku'.

>>11740146

They introduced all hips that actually matter.

We are never going to get a BB more powerful than Yamato/Musashi. Or a carrier with capacity significantly better than Kaga.

>>11740148
woops sry im still kinda new to this whole anime shit lol

>>11737507
It was a fun series, although it's not the best if you're looking for realistic basketball. Surprisingly, it's not nearly as gay as everyone makes it out to be.

>>11740131
please refer to >>11740085

>>11740146
i see the axis powers is still going strong

>>11740141
But battleshit is shit.
Everyone know Enterprise is superior.

>>11740158
Was the German navy really that pathetic?

Regardless of content, this year feels kinda underwhelming. Usually I'd be excited for multiple games, albums, cds, etc, but I haven't really found anything to look forward to this year. Feels weird.

>>11740273

Not really pathetic.

It's just that IJN had the largest BB's, biggest guns, best torpedoes and so on.

We won't get ships more powerful than what's already in game.

Late war USN carriers will have slightly higher plane capacity, at the cost or armor and HP. If they ever put USN in the game that is.

>>11740085
>you have to remember Kancolle is backed by the yakuza
lol
Just like any other Japanese anything then

>>11740268
>>11740085
[citation needed]

>>11740141
I was under impression that Japanese mainstream is too busy playing Puzzle & Dragons to care about Kancolle. And vice versa, they're releasing the console version for Vita of all platforms, if that's not an admission they're targeting the geek crowd, then I don't know what is.

>>11740148
I think a bigger problem with his statement was that otaku does not mean male otaku.

The reason why touhou stays afloat: official work is vague is fuck and the fandom builds it themselves, nothing is set in stone.
The reason why kancolle may fall: too many official works will crush every fanworks but the porn, everything IS set in stone

Other than the game, Kancolle seems to only have cute characters going on for it. It's enjoyable and all, but only relying on the girls won't give it much staying power, I reckon. I don't see how you can flesh it out as much as Touhou's liberally ambiguous escapism setting, especially in the long term.

But what I don't get most of all is why some of these Touhou clowns suddenly decides to do Kancolle music. There's nothing exceptional from its BGM to warrant arrangement, since it's all bland as HELL. Are they that desperate to stay in the "in" crowd?

>>11740334
the reason why touhou stays afloat is because it's old as fuck and it's a sure way to make money

>>11740356
>But what I don't get most of all is why some of these Touhou clowns suddenly decides to do Kancolle music. There's nothing exceptional from its BGM to warrant arrangement, since it's all bland as HELL. Are they that desperate to stay in the "in" crowd?
Because there's only so many times that you can re-arrange necrofantasia and the other two songs that they constantly rehash

>>11740356
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOP3UWl4dR8
It's epic as HELL

What the heck is wrong with that slut's fingers?

>>11739454
330, not counting translated ones.

>>11740379
Well, that's not what I'm trying to say. If they're bored of Touhou songs, why not just make original songs? Or at least arrange things that are actually interesting? An insipid source will only lead to an uninspired derivation in most cases.

>>11740392
This is the sort of thing I'm talking about.
The game is cute and all, but you can't seriously say the BGM is something to write home about. But I guess original music doesn't sell as much, eh?

>>11740407
Original music is pretty much a black hole unless you are already really popular from making remixes.

>>11740407
There are original songs but there are a lot more Touhou songs because people buy them

>>11740379

Yeah, but how many songs are there in Kancolle really? Even if circles pump out remixes for whatever is in its soundtrack right now, I doubt it'd last. The Kancolle music lineup is nowhere near numerous or interesting enough for them to do so without being EXTREMELY creative. Otherwise, you can arguably bet there might be an influx of albums that could be as bland as the original.

Not that there aren't any circles that are not capable of being creative enough to do turn a bland song into something interesting, mind you. However, I find it difficult to believe most circles would attempt to make a Kancolle remix track without really forcing themselves to do so. It doesn't seem captivating enough for most circles to sink their teeth into.

The circles' preference for songs like Necrofantasia boils down to the same reason why some circles are bothering to do Kancolle albums: Popularity.

Songs like Necrofantasia may have a bunch of rehashes, but at least the Touhou series has a couple hundred other underrated high-quality tracks to choose from if they get bored with remixing the really well-known ones. Pic related.

>>11740419
>>11740421
This is leaving me rather perplexed. So pretty much the only reason I can see them doing what they're doing is because of popularity. But why would popularity matter in the doujin scene of all places? There's not a lot of profit to be found even if you're popular, is there?

And it doesn't even have to be original materials. I'd be fine if it's from anything, as long as the source material is something the arranger love, and not this fame-driven crap. I guess it's the apparent lack of genuineness that's bothering me.

>>11740464
You'd be surprised how deep our otaku pockets are..

>>11740470
Does otakubux really offset printing costs, pressing costs, etc?

>>11740464
People need money to survive, they can't live off of their love for otaku media. If you make something and it doesn't sell then you'll be at a deficit and will think twice about not making 'that popular thing' or anything at all at the next convention.

>>11740484
Why are they relegating themselves to the most popular thing (that half of them probably don't really like, anyways) just to avoid a loss? Why bother putting anything out in the first place if they're only worried about their products not selling? It's not like doujin is their primary source of income. I feel like I'm missing something here.

I can't even recognize the stuff on here.
You'd think I'd be able to tell the songs after listening to them nonstop for hours while grinding.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22530782

>>11740508
>It's not like doujin is their primary source of income.
How do you know? And how do you know they don't like it? Kancolle is pretty popular over there, not everyone has to like Touhou and only Touhou forever and ever.

>>11740464
>There's not a lot of profit to be found even if you're popular, is there?

There is. It's just that not many people get popular enough.

>>11740484
>If you make something and it doesn't sell then

...you graduate college and get a real job. And then maybe, just maybe, continue releasing something in your spare time, because it's hell of a fun to do.

>>11740508
The people doing it probably do like it.
And Kancolle is in vogue right now. They can do whatever niche thing they want in the future and get the same sales as if they did it now, but doing a Kancolle work will allow them to get more attention, with the additional sales as a bonus.

At least that's my guess. I'm not talented enough to produce works of any kind.

>>11740356
>I don't see how you can flesh it out as much as Touhou's liberally ambiguous escapism setting, especially in the long term.
You do realise that Kancolle's setting is also a liberally ambiguous escapism setting?

>>11740527
Not for much longer.

>>11740520
Great idea. I'm gonna get a 'real' job aka become an overworked salaryman or office drone and work even more in my extremely limited spare time to create content to sell to ungrateful clinically retarded nerds (and with sell I mean I will sell it to one of them who will copy it and distribute it online for free). Prime future prospects.

>>11740484
Are you saying that they rely on tiny profit from an event that being held twice a year as their sole income for living in Japan and their overprice ocst?

>>11740531
Worked out pretty well for ZUN.

>>11740541
*cost

>>11740544
Yes and Arabs got rich because they found oil in a desert.

>>11740511
>How do you know?
I don't. But I can't imagine anyone relying on just doujins to support a living.

>And how do you know they don't like it?
I'm not denying that a majority of them love the game (or at least the franchise). But I can't see anyone loving the BGM, especially loving it to the point of wanting to make arranges out of it. There's probably a select few who likes it, but to go so far as to love it is a bit...

>not everyone has to like Touhou and only Touhou forever and ever.
And again, that's not my point. No need to bring that up again!

>>11740526
Like half of these arrange clowns jumped ships from Touhou, though, and after having done it for years (of course, during/after the boom). I'd imagine any attentions they want they'd already have gotten. It's this lack of integrity and authenticity that I have problems with.

>>11740529
If you mean the upcoming anime, it's likely to be some form of gag anime or something, given that Fubuki is the main character. It won't affect the fanon at all.

>>11740551
>It's this lack of integrity and authenticity that I have problems with.
>>not everyone has to like Touhou and only Touhou forever and ever.
>And again, that's not my point. No need to bring that up again!
They aren't married to Touhou. If they think the KanColle BGM sounds good and they think they can make nice arranges out of it then where's the problem?
I personally think Touhou music has been rehashed so absurdly much that it's become all the same. I welcome something new, although I don't really care much about doujin music anymore anyway.

>>11740555
I hope for that too, but I honestly think Fubuki is too boring to be the main character of a gag anime. Fubuki seems more of the serious-faced protagonist whose job is to show us how kancolleverse works, and to reassure us that using a girl as modernization material doesn't mean they die.

Kadokawa is buying off artists. What really matters is whether or not the wheel keeps on turning without Kadokawa's hand on it.

>>11740566
The 4-koma manga begs to differ.

>>11740593
I can't even tell which one is Fubuki in the 4-koma, she's always in a group of lookalikes.
She can hardly be called an MC in that.

>>11740561
They arranged Touhou music when it was the popular thing.
They're arranging Kancolle music now that it's the popular thing.
It might not be a lack of integrity, but it sure as HELL looks like it!

>If they think the KanColle BGM sounds good and they think they can make nice arranges out of it then where's the problem?
I doubt this is true. And even if it is, the resulting arranges (the ones I've heard, at least) just sounds unmotivated. If they truly love the music, I'd reckon they'd want to at least treat it with respect, and put off publishing the arranges until they have something great. Not this rush to be first in the scene.

>I personally think Touhou music has been rehashed so absurdly much that it's become all the same.
True. But even if this is a concern, it's not like there's a lack of other materials to derive from. I guess it's fine if someone out there really like Kancolle's BGM, but then please refer to the previous paragraph.

>>11740313
kantai collection is published by dmm. everyone know dmm is owned by yakuza. therefore yakuza owns kanmusu.

>>11740629

name one sector of the entertainment industry that yakuza don't run

>>11740656
Kyoani.

>>11740656
hollywood movies LEL OWND turboweibo!!!

>>11740669
hollywood is run by jews, that's even worse

>>11737058

Could you elaborate on why?

touhou secondaries are people who like the characters, music, story, outfits, etc but never played the games.

you don't have to play the game to be a fan, whereas with kancolle i can't say that for sure.

obviously this changes as more (non)canon stuff is made, but otherwise it seems like a niche that doesn't overlap or cannabalize eachother, but is rather for a specific set of military game otaku who truly enjoy the nitty-gritty of the game's battle tactics and classes, along with the fact its free. The cute girls are just a bonus.

>>11740779
Because it's much harder to get to play the Kancolle game than the Touhou games, I guess? So being a Kancolle secondary could be attributed to being unable to play the game because of the lottery.

>>11740811
If you really want to play kancolle, you can play.
Even if you want to play Touhou, you miss alot by not being able clear the game to see the endings, and some people just can't clear the game.

>>11740561
>I personally think Touhou music has been rehashed so absurdly much
If more people did TD and DDC arranges it would feel less so. Every time I see a new release it is just the same songs from EoSD and PCB all over again. I don't like kancolle music in any capacity so that won't fill the void.

>>11740531
I'm gonna get a real job and producing content whenever a little spare time I have because I like it, and I will still have a living while continue doing my hobby until I got bored.

That's how it should be.

>>11740857
This. That stage 5 tune from ddc is the best piece zun has ever made in years, and what do people do? Rehash septette, of course

>>11740852
But getting all the ships and achievements takes a lot of time. A LOT. I don't have that kind of time. I argue you would learn to beat Touhou on normal in the same time.

Also I don't wanna go through some weird lottery. At least I can search for the Touhou games myself (which were pretty easy to find) but I can't do anything but wait to get into Kancolle.

But I wanna have my panpakanpaan. How hard is she to get? How long do you have to play (average, worst time, best time)?

>>11741005
And none of those arranges surpass the original.

>>11741024
Not even demetori's? you're insane

>>11741004
The most popular ships are attainable in less than a week of playing. And the thing with Kancolle is that is doesn't really take a block of dedicated playing time. You log in when you feel like it, play a bit, and then do something else.

>>11741024
Love this artist. I bookmarked him/her.. imizu.

Kancolle can only get bigger, nothing has gotten this big this quickly. No one does touhou PVs anymore and I rarely see any touhou MMDs. In only its second comiket there are 1100 circles doing stuff for it. It took touhou more than a decade for that to happen, there are barely any doujinshi of TD, which came out more than 2 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if the next reitaisai is the last.

>>11741221
sasuga yakuza power. do you think it was bribery, coercion, or blackmail?

>>11740617
>They're arranging Kancolle music now that it's the popular thing. It might not be a lack of integrity, but it sure as HELL looks like it!
People like to make derivative products based on things they like.

Which circles are you talking about, anyway? Most living Touhou arrange circles didn't do Kancolle anyway. There's a few metal/rock ones, I guess.

>And even if it is, the resulting arranges (the ones I've heard, at least) just sounds unmotivated.
So are the previews from CROW'S CLAW's IRON BOTTOM SOUND and Yuuhei Satellite's Kiss of the Goddess really just noticeably worse than their Touhou arranges?

>>11734373

>>11741221
What are you talking about? Touhou PVs just going to be released on C85, just like last year. Someone still doing MMDs, especially the series. MMD cup will be still filled with Touhou, Vocaloid and IM@s.

TD is just unpopular, plenty of others like EoSD and IN doujins are still released and I don't see it will stop anytime soon.

>>11741318
>TD is just unpopular
Not really, it starting out like SA and UFO did, I find tons of non-h and h doujinshi, most is untranslated but I know moon so that ain't a big deal. I noticed that very few TD non-h doujinshi are translated.

>>11741313
I sure hope that isn't official because that is way too lewd.

>>11741221
>No one does touhou PVs anymore and I rarely see any touhou MMDs
I haven't even seen kancolle PVs and MMDs

>>11737610
>There's the faceless admiral self-insert.
>So you can insert yourself like in a cheap harem shit.
>Say what you will about 2hu but at least it never lowered itself to such pandering filth.

>Touhou
>No faceless-man faggot pandering

>>11741363
It's a lot harder to self-insert when there is no male present 90% of the time. Unless you want me to self-insert as a girl which would be gay.

>>11741221
Wouldn't a rapid boost of attention set off alarms of Kancolle's popularity being transitory rather than permanent?

>>11741363
>doujin
>relevant

>>11741363
But not in canon.

>>11741531
nobody cares about canon
it's why this series got so popular to begin with

>>11740852
>If you really want to play kancolle, you can play.
Just as there are people who made it on their first try, there are many more who tried for months without success. We should not be too hard on the latter even if we're part of the former.

Wait till the Vita game comes out then we talk about this again.

>>11741568
>nobody cares about canon
but that's what we're talking about.

by your logic literally every series ever made has faceless man faggot pandering because everyone makes porn doujins of said series with faceless men.

>>11741434
No, it would mean it is more likely to be permanent by volume. Show me one thing that got this popular this fast that lost popularity after a while.

>>11742088
As an avid stock trader, if there was a kancolle stock, I wouldn't buy it.
Reason being that I can't see any unexpected news that could further drive up the price of the stock. It has hit it's absolute peak, and like stocks, the initial effect is always exaggerated.

And for something else that got really popular and lost steam, maybe Adventure Time or Kill la Kill with the Western audience.

>>11742183
Neither Adventure Time nor Kill la Kill has come anywhere near Kancolle's popularity.

>>11741294
Off the top of my head:
Minimum Electric Design, C-Clays, IOSYS, Tokyo Active NEETS, TAMUSIC, IRON ATTACK, hachimitsu-lemon, etc
have all made or are planning to make Kancolle works. What gets me is that they're suddenly putting out full Kancolle albums. I don't think the game has enough arrange-worthy BGMs to fill whole albums yet.

>So are the previews from CROW'S CLAW's IRON BOTTOM SOUND and Yuuhei Satellite's Kiss of the Goddess really just noticeably worse than their Touhou arranges?
Yes. But after thinking about it and browsing for a while, I think I've come to terms that most of them are really doing it out of genuine enjoyment. So what I have concluded is this isn't a result of impure motives, but rather simply because they suck.

See, Kancolle's music is rather bland, so it requires more skill and creativity to produce an interesting sound from it. I guess I was denying that these doujin musicians lack the capacity to do so. Their Touhou arranges sound better simply because the source materials are composed better (and somehow more suitable for arrangements), and so they don't have to go the extra mile to achieve a good sound. This luxury is just isn't there in Kancolle's music, and even UI-70 couldn't get it to sound amazing...

>>11742183
The anime? The game? Are you serious?

>>11742248
I don't know about Kill la Kill, but Adventure Time got pretty huge among the Western community.
Either way, I still insist that initial rapid growth is by no means an indicator for future growth. I'm honestly interested in what you think are possible future developments that could allow for further development.

>>11742287
I said unexpected, since using a simple stock analogy, only unexpected information can affect stock prices. Both the game and anime are accounted for in the value. The only way they could affect the value is if the anime or game vastly overperform, or vastly underperform. This isn't completely realistic, but all we can do is speculate since we can't be sure until we get to that point in time.

>>11742310
Multiple anime series (mitigates anime = canon factor since the multiple canons idea will have been established), foreign ships implemented into the game (it'll revive any dying interest in the game every time a new major WW2 power's ships are introduced).

>>11742352
Implying the devs will go to all the trouble. first and foremost kancolle is a corporate product.

if profit starts to decline, the devs are goin to pull some half-assed attempt, milk it for all it's worth, and move on to a new product once it stops being profitable

>>11742352
Neither of those seem like ways that can cause a long term interest resurgence.

Multiple anime series seems like a heavy investment in something that isn't sustainable, considering sequels of most shows sell much less than predecessors, with only a few exceptions. It's also an issue of quality disparity, where professional quality of an official anime might dissuade doujin circles from producing non-h work that pales in comparison.

The foreign ship implementation can be argued to go either way, but even if you say that it's definitely beneficial, the excitement that comes with current updates is mostly from the fact that the game is updated rather infrequently. I can see updates generating less and less hype each time, and in order to maintain a high level of popularity, the updates might have to spaced closer and closer together. A scenario that many mobile games have ended up in, where updates occur weekly, and generate very little interest.
Of course, both of these methods I don't think can raise the level of fandom any higher than it is now, and are more like methods to maintain it's current level.

>>11742256
I don't think kancolle music is bad at all, I just think it actually sounds like a BGM. Touhou's music is just something else when it comes to quality. I will listen to as many arranges I can for C85 but I don't think my opinion will change much.
I never thought about it but you are right, it isn't that hard to make a touhou arrangement sound good.

>>11742387
Kancolle itself is hardly making any profit in the first place. They actually need this kind of stuff to earn anything substantial.

>>11742183
It is December 26th, 2013

Would you invest in touhou's popularity?

>>11742406
No.

>>11742418
What about April 9th, 2007?

How would you predict touhou's popularity?

>>11742465
I didn't know about Touhou until 2008, so I can't really say at that time.
After I discovered it, I'd probably have invested in it. I don't invest in things I'm not familiar with.

>>11742397
And I'm not saying it is bad; it's just bland. And it's not like BGM can't be interesting, some VN BGMs are testaments to this.

I imagine Kancolle's music fits the game well (I wouldn't know, still waiting for my lottery), but it doesn't sound all that special when I listened to it. It's not the kind of thing you'd usually want to arrange, and certainly not something that motivates people to want to arrange it in droves.

This really isn't the doujin music revolution I had in mind. I guess it's high time for me to accept creativity and diversity is (mostly) long dead.

>>11742576
>it's just bland
Yeah, it is. I can barely remember most of the music that goes with it if I am not actively listening it. Compared to touhou I already have DDC's themes stuck in my head. I still like them though.

>This really isn't the doujin music revolution I had in mind. I guess it's high time for me to accept creativity and diversity is (mostly) long dead.
It isn't that creativity is dead, it is just not everyone is creative.

>>11742620
>It isn't that creativity is dead, it is just not everyone is creative.
Especially otaku. They never make their own music. All their games are just knockoffs with Touhou characters.

Can I buy Kancolle with Bitcoin?

>>11742620
It certainly doesn't give off that "I want to arrange this!" vibe, unlike some other game musics I've heard.

For me, I'd like to see more Kancolle SFW books. I'm already sick at the ridiculous amount of horrible things these cute girls have been subjected to, and just within their first year.

>>11742630
That's not really true. Groups like Sound Horizon and Shoujo Byou are still having fun making their own original music and stories. It's just that 90% of the rest are lazy hacks, just like with everything else in this world.

>All their games are just knockoffs with Touhou characters.
I'd wager it's going to be knockoffs with Kancolle characters in the future. Hold on to your ass, people.

>>11742686
More jokes like >>11737071.
No thank you.

>>11742693
better than endless flood of porn

>>11742686
>I'd wager it's going to be knockoffs with Kancolle characters in the future. Hold on to your ass, people.
Kancolle danmaku?

>>11742686
Cant wait for virtual-on or mario kart ripoff

>>11742686
Kancolle characters don't have really good gimmicks to work with like Touhou characters do. Battlewise, one destroyer is the same as any other destroyer.

>>11734425 #(you)

suck

>>11742960 # (You)

Do it right dumbass.

>>11742954
Has canon ever stopped anyone from doing anything?

>>11742975
Not so much a problem of canon conflict as much as not having anything to work with, not to mention overlapping genres.
A Touhou RPG game sounds much better than a Kancolle RPG game, considering how Kancolle is quite similar to an RPG in nature, and Touhou simply has far more character gimmicks to work into gameplay mechanics.
I don't doubt we'll see alot of kancolle doujin games, but it doesn't have Touhou dominates the doujin doujin game scene not only because of its recognizable characters.

>>11743001
I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say in your last line.

Does those numbers take into account overlapping works? I'm sure many of those KanColle groups are also selling Touhou or other crap, so the number is actually lower than that.

Let's settle this

http://strawpoll.me/920897

>>11743636
Fuck off troll
2hu is dead because ZUN wouldn't take any corporate action.

>>11743021
You can disregard it and the point is still made. I'm basically reiterating the point that Touhou one ups Kancolle because in the doujin doujin game market because it has more than just popular characters.

>>11741221
>>11742088
Tiger and Bunny.

Anime starts airing in April 2011. Nine months later, 1170 circles sell T&B-related goods at C81. That's the highest the number has ever been.

I'm sure Kancolle will do better, but don't pretend there's no precedent here, in both a quick rise and an early peak.

>>11742088
Haruhi
K-On
Madoka

What games are you looking forward to /jp/?
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22497042

>>11746406
http://edelweiss.skr.jp/info/c85pv/index.html

Lazor Reimu

And this one
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm22492413

I hope those games doesn't have fps issues just like always.

http://wp.gensoukyou.org/genmu/category/diary/
Is Strawberry Bose releasing a new game C85?