/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>11688729
>shitkaku
I post the dog of disgust.

>it hurts my feelings, it should be banned :(

I'm quoting feminists

>shitkaku complex
top lel

>>>/a/

but muh freehdum

>shitcocku

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Wow Artefact, I can feel the MRA emanating from this article.

We know it's ridiculous. We don't need your sarcasm and scare quotes.

>More leftist Korean-worshipping attempts to destroy otaku culture!

If any of you are good with Japanese and want to make lots of money, please set up a website exactly like Sankaku Complex, except all you do is *translate* the news stories instead of translating select parts of them and then adding shitty commentary.

Then again, maybe it's a legal thing and that's why they can get away with it.

>>11688768
Quiet, monkey.

>>11688764
You things are so cute when you're butthurt.

shitty /new/s link, OP

How is that stupidshit site still up, anyway? It's on about the same level as a pornsite operator's personal blog.

>shitaku
reported

feminism is great but how the fuck is loli manga "hate speech"
do these people know what hate speech is?
radical feminists are dumb as hell

Can't have free speech without hate speech.

>>11688820
http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=29555

>>11688788
There are tens of thousands of blogs that manage to keep themselves afloat.

>>11688820
I wonder if Fatalpulse could get taken to task for hate speech. Or would that be parody?

> “Even if it is 2D, it is sexually abusive hate speech as damaging to the human rights of victims as racist hate speech, and as such should absolutely be banned.”

Hahaha oh wow. That is the worst translation ever. The quote in the article says almost the opposite of this.

So it's fine as long as it's not rape? I generally look for consensual loli porn anyways.

>>11688845


'rape' is redefined as 'anything that offends me' for feminists, so youre not off the hook either.

>>11688826
Right but it keeps going out of its way to draw negative attention to itself, as well as to intentionally draw in the kind of crowd who leave the comments on the blog posts there.

I understand they might be "viral advertising" or whatever, but that shit's a recipe for getting kicked off your hosting provider for "terms of service" crap. Not to mention one of their moron users might think it was awesome to intentionally pull a mcmichael and get the whole rest of that crowd in trouble along with him.

>>11688852
Oh of course how silly of me.

>discussing shitaku article

>>11688853
>I understand they might be "viral advertising" or whatever, but that shit's a recipe for getting kicked off your hosting provider for "terms of service" crap.
People can shop for hosting providers, you know. Some of them host anything that's not illegal. "Outlandish dumb shit" is a good advertising model, just look at tabloids and shit.

>>11688845
Having sex with a child is rape though. As in, legally it is a form of rape and has been for decades.

>>11688852
wasnt there a screencap of a tumblr post saying "a man can rape you with his eyes"?
feminists should re look this stuff up in a dictionary, wow.

>>11688868
Oh yeah americans, because a girl under 18 cannot give consent. I think that's more offensive towards woman than anything though. Also only woman can be raped legally. Yeah, american laws, sekai ichi.

>>11688871
Don't pay those people any mind, Anon. We all know there are stupid individuals on the internet.

>>11688880
If it was a boy, you would be likely be charged with sodomy or lewd & lascivious acts with a minor. I guess that's not technically rape, but it's basically the same thing.

>>11688885
i cant help it it hurts me so much that i have to pay attention to them

>>11688888
That's how it is in most parts of the world, it's debauchery or something but not rape. Americans just cannot into ingish.

>>11688896
Statutory rape was made specifically to combat teenage pregnancy.

>>11688888
It varies from country to country but in many places call sticking your penis in someone is "rape" and anything else is "sexual assault". Usually if a woman forces sex on a man, the law is written so that it's the same as if a man had forced sex on a woman (it's just now sexual assault instead of rape).

Of course I don't know what it plays out in the real world. Sexual assault against males is usually taken less seriously, but I don't know if women (or even gay men) generally receive lower sentences.

>>11688902
It sure worked well for them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Mom

>>11688880
Male prisoners get in additional legal trouble every year for raping other (male) prisoners, what are you talking about? And yeah, 18 is an arbitrary number because they had to pick something, so they picked draft age, but sexing a five-year-old IRL is rape. Not sure what shitkaka is jibbering about this time with their thing, but as has been established on this board many many times already, cartoons aren't human and actual IRL humans are entitled to a molestation-free upbringing.

>>11688907
Isn't that show basically a scare tactic to further lower teenage pregnancy?

>>11688871
They even go beyond that.
I think one of the quotes said something like "If a woman feels like she was raped; that means she was raped"

>>11688912
Sexting a five year old isn't rape, it's child annoyance. You actually need physical touch for it to be molestation and even that isn't rape.

>>11688912
Male prisoners get in trouble for every violent act against other prisoners, legally still only woman can be raped. 5 is obviously way too young but 12-13 years old girls are common to have sex. Since that's the time when someone biologically becomes sexually active. Sure rape and molestation aren't something that should be allowed but if two past puberty individuals want to have sex then they should be more than free to do so.

>>11688917
noooo they have it wrooooonggg its about consent and stuff like that not "if a woman feels she was raped then she was" i dont understand

>>11688915
Probably but still, it's not like teenage pregnancy suddenly vanished for some pointless law.

>>11688929
>legally still only woman can be raped.

Men can be raped by other men.

>>11688936
Men can be raped by women, too, but only girls can be raped under the statutory rape laws since it's specific to that gender.

>>11688935
This. Teens have always had sex and they always will. The law doesn't make puberty go away.

>>11688936
>1) n. the crime of sexual intercourse (with actual penetration of a woman's vagina with the man's penis) without consent and accomplished through force, threat of violence or intimidation (such as a threat to harm a woman's child, husband or boyfriend)
>Any sexual intercourse with a child is rape and in most states sexual relations even with consent involving a girl 14 to 18 (with some variation on ages in a few states) is "statutory rape," on the basis that the female is unable to give consent. 2) v. to have sexual intercourse with a female without her consent through force, violence, threat or intimidation, or with a girl under age. Technically, a woman can be charged with rape by assisting a man in the rape of another woman.
It generally depends on the state though.

>>11688935
Of course not, but nothing simply vanishes because you make it illegal. Otherwise murder and robbery would have been gone ages ago.

>>11688941
>Men can be raped by women, too

It depends on where you live. Here in England, only men can rape:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/part/1/crossheading/rape

But on an international level, 'rape' is slowly starting to mean any type of sexual assault.

Wikipedia related:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_gender

>>11688946
The likeliness of murder and robbery is severely decreased by law prohibiting it though while noone gives a shit about laws when making a girl who gave consent pregnant.

So should we encourage teen sex, or stigmatize it?

>>11688950
I think at this point it's almost entirely gender neutral here in the US when it comes to rape laws.

>>11688953
Neither. Sex is part of life, it shouldn't be taboo but it also shouldn't be shoved down the throats of people who don't care about it.

Live and let live.

>>11688953
Or just leave it as it has been since forever, tell kids that they can bang all they want but use protection if they don't wanna raise babbies.

So, loli manga, huh?

>>11688952
If you are going to kill someone, I doubt being told that it's against the law would stop you. It's more of a show that the government is trying to stop it than anything.

>>11688953
The age consent in the UK is 16, so anyone having sex between 16 and 19 would qualify as having 'teen sex'.

It's not something you can really stop anyway, stigmatizing it would stunt education and just lead to more instances of teen pregnancy, it's best to just teach teenagers how to have sex safely and responsibly.

>>11688941
bull crap, quit posting if you're only trolling or you're assuming your own home statelet's laws are what's under discussion

>>11688961
Then we would only have ourselves to blame when the protection fails.

>>11688964
They'll send detectives and sentence you for a decade or execute you for murder while noone will make a big deal about a teenage girl getting pregnant.

>>11688971
Try to find a single person convicted of statutory rape whose victim was male, I dare you.

>>11688974
Detectives are nothing compared to angry parents.

>>11688972
There's no reason to blame anyone for anything. As long as they're aware of the circumstances people can decide for themselves.

>>11688982
Are we talking about teenagers, who are still minors, or emancipated adults, who actually are responsible for their own stupid actions?

>>11688980
As far as I've seen parents are aware if their daugther decides to get pregnant or know that their daughter is a slut and aren't surprised by it. If a well behaving girl who's not in a relationship gets pregnant then there are more serious crimes behind it anyways.

>>11688967
>The age consent in the UK is 16, so anyone having sex between 16 and 19 would qualify as having 'teen sex'.

Underage sex is pretty rampant here though. In England, 39.9% of 15-year-old girls are sexually experienced (highest in the world, apparently). For 15-year-old boys it's 34.9% (just after Ukraine and Slovenia).

I don't know if 'teen sex' takes younger people into account (or 19-year-olds, for that matter...they're teenagers but the law usually excludes them from adolescent things).

>>11688985
It's not like teenagers have 0 brain activity, stop acting like everything has to be decided by the parents for a 10+ person. They're well past childhood.

>>11688988
What kind of survey is that? "Will you admit that you've committed a crime?" I bet every particiant answered honestly, or if it's looking at police records then 99.9% of sex between teens isn't reported anyways.

>>11688994
Have you ever spoken to a teenager? Saying they have zero brain activity is generous. That's probably the most volatile and out of control stage of life.

>>11689001
Not really elementary schoolers are way worse. Honestly said it feels like you're just one of those people who practice their superiority complex on teens because they're younger and you can just say that they're stupid and everything they do has to be decided by a well adjusted adult person like yourself. Literally worse than Hitler.

>>11689000
Why not admit to a crime after the statue of limitations has expired? I knew a middle aged guy who admitted to screwing a 15 year old when we was younger and it's not like anyone could do anything about it.

>>11689012
Then it's not a survey of current teens is it just what older people admit they did when they were younger. In case they aren't lying of course.

>>11689011
I don't really have to worry about violent crimes from elementary school children, and certainly not rape, statutory or otherwise. Statistically speaking, teenagers are likely to engage in that behavior.

>>11689016
Well, if you had sex when you were 13, you could talk about it at 18.

>>11689000
Anonymous classroom surveys, apparently.

So of course people probably lied. But what kind of loser would lie anonymously?

>>11689018
You're living on the moon or something, elementary schoolers are just starting to explore their sexuality so sexual offenses and violence are way more common amongst them than teenagers. It's just generally overlooked for them being childs but it is way more common than amongst teenagers. Only they can't break each other's jaws at elementary so it doesn't become a police case. Also at that point it's safe to say that statistically speaking adults commit more rape and assault than teenagers. So saying that teenagers are all irresponsible idiots and adults are the pinnacle of wisdom who have to decide for them is retarded. Seriously it's just one of the whims of people with superiority complex.

>>11688770
Are there any good otaku news sites out there? They all seem to kind of suck.

>>11689026
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0

>>11689036
General Japanese news sites can be fine.

It's best to go to the source of things like doujin releases, idol drama, etc.

>shitkaku
>shitkaku
>shitkaku
>shitkaku
>shitkaku
gtfo /jp/

>>11689026
Well if you were 15 years old and had a survey asking whether you were a virgin or not, you'd most likely say that you aren't, either way.

>>11689038
If by the moon you mean the US. Teenagers are just more violent than anyone else. Look at this chart and note the high murder rate among teens and low murder rate among younger children.

>>11689059
Well fair enough, you guys are overrun by niggers, no wonder that as soon as they're able to kill someone they do so. But in the rest of the civilised world, teenagers generally don't commit murders.

I wish I could actually trust journalists with reports like 'LOLI IS GETTING BANNED!' or 'AIDS IS CURED!'

It's always some sensationalist clickbait garbage that turns out not to be true at all.

>>11689073
Don't associate loli with AIDS.

Yeah and Obama will enforce RFID chips by 2013 of march. Or how about the truth of aliens revealed in a shitty dvd recorded in 2012 broadcasted live in april? Or how about a mysterious package discovered in the middle of nowhere that contains an old composition book, the papers smudged in shit and a flag but was supposed to change the world as we know it? What about the strange sounds from aliens and time warp like lights? Or a major blackout in the US that will cause riots? Or HARP man made tsunami in california? Or another false flag to take away our firearms? Or some race war because all blacks give a shit about some dude getting shot? Or google taking over the internet by 2020? Or loli manga being banned this year again for the 5th time and nothing happened?

>>11689088
loli porn has been banned in japan plenty of times, just noone gave a shit about it

>shitkaku

Also, how come feminazis don't want to ban shota, BDSM bara or yaoi?

Fictional little boys and ikemen have rights too!

>>11689093
source?
its not shitaku is it?

>>11689101
Males have no rights, you should've learned that by now

Good thing hate speech is still legal and defended under the constitution.

Never forget: The greater the truth, the greater the libel.

>>11689106

He is probably talking about stupid stuff like aki sora and some other obscure hentai magazine.

>>11689106
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-15/full-tokyo-assembly-passes-youth-ordinance-bill

>>11689119
Oh wait not that, this one
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-05-27/japan-ruling-party-to-reintroduce-child-pornography-law-revision

>>11689105


your rights end where my feelings begin.

>>11689151
I wonder if women can ever understand that feelings are subjective thus they are poop against objective facts.

>>11688729
Frankly, censorship of "hate speech" is questionable enough as it is; government should never be allowed to pick and choose what perspectives can be heard.

But in this case it's depicting a fictional crime against fictional people, which there's plenty of precedent in fictional crimes of other kinds. Makes you wonder why only depictions of these sorts of crimes get censorship, hmm? As if people utterly convinced of how heinous they are fear a free and open debate?

>>11689151
Good thing we have guns to trump your feels.

>>11688770
>make lots of money
The web isn't that easy to monetise.

All the top-tier loli artists should move to Hawaii then and enjoy our freedoms.
There could be a doujinshi village in Japantown.

>>11689211
>Japantown

It's not like you're native in the first place.

>>11689211
Is it true that Hawaii broadcasts anime songs in the radio?

>>11689073
>Sanaku Complex
>journalists

>>11689225
That is the standard of modern journalism.

http://www.monett-times.com/story/1904776.html
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2010/02/sentencingmanga.pdf

This is the federal law against child pornography in the United States:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A
> a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting
> including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting

>>11689233
muriclaps sure are enjoying their freedum

>>11689233
It has to be either obscene, which nothing being sold would be since that's illegal, or lacking in artistic quality, which I doubt anything be sold would or it wouldn't sell very well.

>>11689233
Are they trying to go after thoughtcrime? A bit of loli manga doesn't hurt anyone and it's no worse than smoking weed. Fuck this country.

>>11689271


not going after thought-crime makes you 'complicit' and literally worse than hitler, as great leader adorno teaches us.

>105 replies
and it's almost all just the same random noise we've seen again and again in here, going back to before there even was a /jp/ and it was all on /a/. Why couldn't I have just kept my damn mouth shut and silently reported it like you're supposed to now? Fuck me.

>>11689279
This is a good thread.

>>11689260
Good luck putting lolicon up against the Miller test. I'm sure a panel of ordinary Americans will see your child rape doujinshi for all the artistic merit it possesses.

>>11689281
This is the same retarded thread we have every few weeks, where the same retards complain about everything and pretend to be surprised that USC 1466A exist.

>>11689284
>This is the same retarded thread we have every few weeks

And it's entertaining every time. I like reading people's opinions and arguments. Even the trolls and people playing devil's advocate keep things interesting.

Meta, on the other hand, sucks balls. Go complain in Touhou General #29181, they've been having those threads every day for years!

>>11689283
Which is entirely subjective. The definition of "obscene" is highly different depending on happens to be in that panel.

>>11689294
If somebody said "this is a good thread" in a shitty Touhou thread I also point out that it's not.

>And it's entertaining every time.
Learn anything new this time around that you couldn't in /pol/ or /r9k/?

>>11689309
Having filthy crossboard threads in /jp/ because you refuse to use any of the rest isn't any better.

>>11689297
I'm not a filthy crossboarder.

>>11689311
Anything related to loli is pure /jp/.

>>11689295
Which is why we have the Miller test. I don't think North American community standards would be very forgiving of a comic showing a little girl being raped.

Also note it only has to be obscene for section (b)(1). Under section (b)(2), it's illegal to possess material showing sexual intercourse if it lacks literary, artistic, political, or scientific value (this is also one of the prongs of the Miller test). This is why the attorney mentioned it in the Monett Times story.

You could definitely fight this, e.g. with support from the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund, but I think it would be very difficult to defend an erotic/pornographic doujinshi.

>>11689314
- loli still illegal in the united states
- loli still not banned in japan
- feminists still mad about it
- /jp/ still mad about the feminists

That's the loli-related part in a nutshell. The rest is just people arguing about sex between fourteen year olds (not exactly lolis anymore).

>>11689323
I think it's generally accepted that anything published has artistic value.

It's a "hey guys look at my 'news' story link" troll/monkey thread, these always just spin around chasing their tails until they hit bump limit or get deleted. There's no actual discussion ITT. It's just white noise with an offsite link and a "bump me" sign on it.

>shitaku
OP is a faggot

I wonder how much sankaku has paid jewt to be allowed to advertise their site on 4chan.

>reading manga at all

Cant wait for this to happen and see the pedos riot.
And by riot I mean kill themselves.

>>11689465
Only if you kill yourself when it doesn't pass. It's only fair, after all.

I really hope somebody crosslinked this to /v/ or /pol/ or something and this isn't just how /jp/ is now.