/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>11644732
Continued


TD - Nothing really difficult here besides the very noticeable lack of lives. Honorable mention goes to Kyouko though for being the hardest stage 2 boss.
I'd rate this a 6/10

DDC - Oh boy here we go. This game is quite a step up in difficulty. Some of the patterns from stages as early as 3 can be quite brutal. I have to say, this game certainly has the most difficult stage 3 and 4 bosses. Seija, while difficult, isn't quite at Orin/Shou level. Sukuna is either the 3rd/4th most difficult stage 6 boss too.
I'd rate this a 10 out of 10 in terms of difficulty.

>>11644732
I finally beat PCB and IN not more than an hour ago on normal by credit-feeding like a champ. I've still got a really long way to go, but the Prismrivers in 7 and Marisa in 8 always trash me.

EoSD - a really easy and enjoyable FAP-all. The lolis are all top tier and Meiling and Sakuya are pretty fuggable too.

PCB - again very enjoyable, but exhausting. Fortunately Yuyuko is a fantastic loli, otherwise the length would make this one close to impossible.

IN - I can't do it. Almost none of the bosses are fappable at all. The bunnies and whichever girl you fight in S4 make me quite hard.

MoF - This is completely a one-girl and one-dog show by Nitori. The midbosses in stages 1 and 4 are also cute but you fight them for five seconds - how is that enough for anything?

SA - Satori and her pets are adorable. The enjoyability of the rest of the FAP-all clear depends heavily on whether you'd like to get Yuugi's horn, fists, and strap-on into your anus.

UFO - The early game against the delicious Nazrin and Kogasa is extremely easy, and then it gets nastier. The later girls aren't lewd or interesting at all, nor exceptionally cute.

>>11644827
Nazrin is a mouse.

EoSD - a really easy and enjoyable FAP-all. The lolis are all top tier and Meiling and Sakuya are pretty fuggable too.

PCB - again very enjoyable, but exhausting. Fortunately Yuyuko is a fantastic loli, otherwise the length would make this one close to impossible.

IN - I can't do it. Almost none of the bosses are fappable at all. The bunnies and whichever girl you fight in S4 make me quite hard.

MoF - This is completely a one-girl show by Nitori. The midbosses in stages 1 and 4 are also cute but you fight them for five seconds - how is that enough for anything?

SA - Satori and her pets are adorable. The enjoyability of the rest of the FAP-all clear depends heavily on whether you'd like to get Yuugi's horn, fists, and strap-on into your anus.

UFO - The early game against the delicious Nazrin and Kogasa is extremely easy, and then it gets nastier. The later girls aren't lewd or interesting at all, nor exceptionally cute.

>>11644732
>EoSD - Hardest stage 6 boss.
Not even close.

>PCB - Hardest nothing.
Stage 4 can be pretty difficult.

>SA - Still gives me a hard time.
Unlimited bomb works.
>I'd rate this an 9/10 in terms of difficulty.
haha no

>UFO
>I'd rate it a 6 out of 10
>TD
>I'd rate this a 6/10
You're legitimately retarded if you really think that.

>DDC
>I'd rate this a 10 out of 10 in terms of difficulty.
holy fuckballs what
Half of the shottypes are broken in this game and can abuse the bomb/life system which literally makes you unable to die if you know how.
Not to mention this is like the only game which rewards you with lives and bombs for bombing.

>>11644868
He said he did no bomb runs.

>>11644748
I have problems with Yoshika relative to any other boss in the game sadly. Seiga, Miko, and Futo seem to be on easy mode in normal, normal in hard, and hard in lunatic

Extra boss rankings, hardest to easiest
1. Satori
2. Flan
3. Ran
4. Mamizou
5. Moukou
6. Raiko
7. Suwako

>>11644897
Forgot Nue, who would be the new #5

>>11644868
>Not even close.
Remi is easily the hardest stage 6 boss. I'm not even interested in hearing who you think is more difficult because judging by your post, you are an idiot.

>Stage 4 can be pretty difficult.
Here's one case of your stupidity shining through. Stage 4 in PCB is only hard for people that are new to the game. Not shooting renders the first 50% of the stage even more pathetic.

> Unlimited bomb works.
So what you're saying is you cannot beat the game without spamming bombs? Got it.

>You're legitimately retarded if you really think that.
Took me a fraction of the time to beat 12 compared to SA, DDC, and EoSD so yes, it's around mid tier in terms of difficulty. TD took about the same time.

>Half of the shottypes are broken in this game
Half of the shot types are broken in most of the later games. I use Needles Reimu for all of my runs.

>Not to mention this is like the only game which rewards you with lives and bombs for bombing.
SA? UFO? TD? MoF?

>>11644897
>>11644903
But that is wrong you retard

>>11644897
Oh yeah I forgot to rate extra stages in terms of difficulty too.
1. Flan
2. Koishi
3. Mamizou
4. Mokou
5. Raiko
6. Nue
7. Yukari
8. Suwako

>>11644908
>Remi is easily the hardest stage 6 boss
Only her last two spellcards are hard the rest are pathetically easy.
Oh and the hardest stage 6 boss officialy is Byakuren you dimwitted fuck.

>Stage 4 in PCB is only hard for people that are new to the game.
It's the longest stage 4 with 2 mid bosses and some of the harder spellcards and non spells in a stage 4 if you don't choose the easy way out.

>So what you're saying is you cannot beat the game without spamming bombs?
Me? No. You're the one who has problems playing SA with one hand while pissing at the same time. I can do that no problem.

>Took me a fraction of the time to beat 12 compared to SA
Took me a fraction of the time that took you to beat 12 to realize you're a mental nutjob who's talking out of his ass.
>it's around mid tier in terms of difficulty.
Holy shit, you really are retarded.

>Half of the shot types are broken in most of the later games.
Not to this degree.
>I use Needles Reimu for all of my runs.
I don't really give a shit what you use.

>SA? UFO? TD? MoF?
Except none of those do, not to the extent that DC does anyway.

>>11644994
>Only her last two spellcards are hard the rest are pathetically easy.

Hahaha. Yeah Vampire Illusion is easy, what was I thinking. Top Japanese players must be scrubs for dying to it.
The only easy attacks she has are her 2nd and 3rd non spells. Everything else is threatening.

>Oh and the hardest stage 6 boss officialy is Byakuren you dimwitted fuck.
Says you and literally nobody else? The official top two are Remilia then Kaguya. That is not even up for debate. Who comes after Kaguya is up for debate however.
Byakuren has what? 2 semi difficult spellcards and that is all? I've never ran into any problems with her on any difficulty, nor have I heard anybody claim she's the hardest stage 6 boss. That is absurd. You sound incredibly dumb.

>It's the longest stage 4 with 2 mid bosses
Long = difficult now? It consists of immensely easy streaming. Also what's this 2 midboss bullshit you're spouting? There's Lily White. That is all. You seem to be getting mixed up with stage 3 where Alice shows up twice. Shows how reliable your opinion on game difficulty is, huh.

>Me? No. You're the one who has problems playing SA with one hand while pissing at the same time. I can do that no problem.
Wonderful rebuttal. When you've got absolutely no argument, type some completely irrelevant shit. That'll surely help you win.

>Took me a fraction of the time that took you to beat 12 to realize you're a mental nutjob who's talking out of his ass.
>Holy shit, you really are retarded.
Right back atcha.

>Not to this degree.
>Except none of those do, not to the extent that DC does anyway.
I don't even need to work to prove you wrong here. One of your earlier quotes will fill that role just fine.
"Unlimited bomb works."
You can bomb more in SA than you can in DDC, so by that logic, it's more broken, especially when using ReimuC.


>I don't really give a shit what you use.
Feel free to keep showing just how ass ravaged you are about this. I'm enjoying it more than I should.

>>11644994
No bullying others anon be nice!

Someone call somebody from the irc who's actually good at this game to get in here so we can settle this stupid debate.

>>11644868
>>11644908
>>11644994
>>11645058

Wow, both of you sound like stupid children.
I hate you. Please leave forever.

>>11645058
>>11644994
can you both please shut up? difficulty is subjective.

>>11645069
All of the good players left IRC.

>>11644748
You forgot to say that DDC is the hardest game to no bomb because the game is all about bombing, which I'm assuming you're talking about. I agree with you on the bosses.

Hey what's going on in this thre-
> Arguing about difficulty of all things
This is why we can't have nice things.

>>11644732
>>11644748
If you're talking about difficulty in terms of no bomb runs then I agree with most of what you said.

What Touhou game do you dislike the most, OP?

>>11644897
Meh, Flan isn't that hard, aside from a few spell cards.

Hardest to easiest
1.Satori
2.Ran
3.Mamizou
4.Moukou
5.Flan
6.Suwako
7.Nue
8.Raiko

>>11645131
Umm. I don't dislike any. If I had to pick one though then my least favorite would be...MoF I guess?

>>11645058
>Top Japanese players must be scrubs for dying to it.
Are you including yourself there or what?
>The only easy attacks she has are her 2nd and 3rd non spells.
ALL of her nonspells are piss easy, Young Demon Lord and Mountain of a Thousand Needles (hell this one is even easier on Lunatic than it is on Hard) are jokes as well and so are you.
>Everything else is threatening.
Yeah I bet you piss your panties everytime.

>That is not even up for debate.
Your laughable opinions ≠ Facts
>Byakuren has what? 2 semi difficult spellcards and that is all?
Her first non and second spellcard are easy but that's just because everything else is balls to the wall insanely hard.

>Long = difficult now?
It's both.
>Also what's this 2 midboss bullshit you're spouting? There's Lily White. That is all.
There's also that last fairy that's much harder than Lilly.

>When you've got absolutely no argument, type some completely irrelevant shit.
So pretty much like you've been doing all this time?

>Right back atcha.
Case in point.

>You can bomb more in SA than you can in DDC
Are you really this stupid or are you just pretending?
I said DDC rewards you for bombing.
And you're giving me SA as an example, when it's doing the exact opposite?
The more you bomb the less power you have, while in DDC the more you bomb the more bombs and lives you get.

>I'm enjoying it more than I should.
As am I.

i only 1cced eosd, imperishable night and mountain of faith on hard

I wonder when will tryhard scoring fags get here?

>>11645159
>Are you including yourself there or what?
I'm not Japanese so why would I?

>ALL of her nonspells are piss easy
If her first and 4th non are piss easy, then what does that make the nons of the boss you're so desperately trying to defend? Pitiful? Laughable? Probably both.

>Young Demon Lord and Mountain of a Thousand Needles are jokes as well and so are you.
Young Demon Lord is hardly a joke. It may not be in the same league as VI, SM and SG but it's still a threatening enough spell card. Mountain of a Thousand Needles is quite easy, sure.

>Yeah I bet you piss your panties everytime.
:^)

>Your laughable opinions ≠ Facts
Hey, at least my laughable opinions aren't incredibly bias unlike yours. Judging by how pathetic and hostile you are, it has become clear to me that you don't like anybody disagreeing that your favorite game is not very challenging. My choices have been bias free. Case in point, my favorite Touhou game is IN and it's very middle of the road in terms of difficulty.

>Her first non and second spellcard are easy but that's just because everything else is balls to the wall insanely hard.
I don't agree with that at all. Her nons are very mild. Good Omen can catch me out if RNG doesn't want to play nice but other than that and Devil's Recitation I can't say I've struggled with any of her attacks.
Sorry but you're on your own there.

>It's both.
It's not. It's long and that is all.

>There's also that last fairy that's much harder than Lilly.
Let's just put aside that you think an easy fairy is harder than Lily for a moment.
Death fairies are not midbosses, no matter how difficult they are.
Books in EoSD are more worthy of being called a midboss than some easy death fairy which I can't remember ever losing a life/bombing too.

There are plenty of places that you can bomb in SA and get more power back than you use.
You can bomb bosses to ensure you get life pieces. SA bombing is rewarding too.

>>11645235
probably when the ircfags see this thread

I-is this what they call Serious Discussion™ otaku?

>>11645269
This is how "discussions" turn out when somebody offends another person by saying they find a certain game more difficult than the other person.
Unfortunately it happens in every Touhou/Stg thread that discusses the game.

Anybody else enjoy just kicking back and watching two autists go at it? I can't be the only one.

>>11645298
I'm sure there are a lot of people watching them.

>>11645298
Yes, mostly because the true hardest game is PoFV multiplayer.

>>11645298
I like trying to guess who each person is. I thought I knew who OP was at first but I don't think it is who I originally thought now.
That probably makes me sound autistic too.

What did happen to the old STG threads? I'm curious.

>>11645315
Nobody wanted to make them anymore.

>>11645327
Why? Did people lose interest in Touhou or something?

>>11645298
Hey now. I'm no autist. Read his first post in reply to mine. Sure I could have just ignored him but I've not got much else to do in between runs.

>>11645286
Why does /v/ have better Touhou/STG threads than we do?

>>11645300
I wish this had better online.

>>11645341
Agree, PoFV is pretty fun.
Hopefully ZUN releases the next Phantasmagoria game within this decade.

>>11645348
What if Touhou 15 is a Phantasmagoria game?
What if Mima is a playable character?

>>11645269
This is the "I like Touhou Project because the girls are cute but I don't like to play the games and I also like to pretend they're good even if the only shmup I've ever played is Space Invaders" thread.

>>11645356
All is good in the world.

>>11645131
Honestly? EoSD or UFO

I like the rest though

Is this a legendary MaZe-sama thread?

new guy here

>>11645247
>If her first and 4th non are piss easy
Her first non can get pretty tough on high rank, but is generally pretty simple. Her fourth I find quite easy. Just to give another sample point.

>My choices have been bias free
not picking your favorite as hardest doesn't mean you've been bias free

>Her nons are very mild. Good Omen can catch me out if RNG doesn't want to play nice but other than that and Devil's Recitation I can't say I've struggled with any of her attacks.
I would like to hear how well you handle her second non. I would also really like to see spell card history for Good Omen in particular since you seem to bring it down to RNG sometimes screwing you over.

>>11645159
>Young Demon Lord
Young Demon Lord is easy on low rank and incredibly hard to read and navigate at all on high rank. I'd like to see spell history here too.

>"official" most difficult
There could only be one considered most difficult by popular opinion, even if there was an "official" most difficult it wouldn't mean anything. Why did both of you think dropping "official" would help.

what is your opinion on the pre-windows era games /jp/

worth playing?

>>11645695
PC-98 era is worth playing if you like Windows era.
You will probably miss visible hitboxes, and the hitboxes in TH2 are kind of fucked up. However, they are a lot of fun, and it's interesting to see how the series evolved into what it is today.

>>11644897
But Satori isn't an extra boss!

Is DCC really that easy to clear? I still have problem to clear it on Hard and Lunatic, with SakuyaB.

>>11645731
She should be.

>>11645087
But Zil and cactu are the best two players.

>>11645661
>Her first non can get pretty tough on high rank, but is generally pretty simple.
I find it harder on low rank, actually.

>Her fourth I find quite easy.
I rarely die to it either, but I have slipped up on it more than Byakuren's nons.

>not picking your favorite as hardest doesn't mean you've been bias free
Well yes, it kind of does mean that. Why would I just pretend some games are more/less difficult when I've played LNB'd all of them?
I'm going by how difficult they are to clear and nothing more.

>I would like to hear how well you handle her second non.
Easily. It took some time to get used to but ever since I learned how it worked I've not had any problems with it.

Good Omen history in pic.

>>11645788
T, asp, MaZe and Heartbeam say otherwise.

>>11645851
Who is T?

>>11645934
A good player on /jp/ who specialised in doing unfocused run.

How do you guys get so good at the game? I have been playing off and on for 5 years and I have only managed to 1cc PCB, IN, EoSD, and TD. I haven't beaten any Extra bosses, the closest I got was Moukou's 3rd to last spell card.

>>11646088
>Off and on
Your skill has peaked and unless you're very good at casually memorizing things, you'll need to actually practice. Just take it easy and do what you want.

>>11646088
dont bother doing non fun stages.
i download score.dat with everything unlocked so i only play the fun ones.

Idont know about lunatic, but harrd mode remilia is really easy, the easiest hard mode stage 6 for me but maybe because its my favorite to play.

>>11646101
Really? Peaked? I won't get better? But I suck already. I just tried a DDC normal run for the 5th time and I barely made it to th first stage 5 spell card.

The way I play touhou is I put an 1-3 a day for 2 weeks and fuck off for 6 months.

>>11646158
I want to beat everything and be like the cool kids on /jp/

>>11646101
Really? Peaked? I won't get better? But I suck already. I just tried a DDC normal run for the 10th time and I barely made it to the first boss spell card in stage 5.

The way I play touhou is I put an 1-3 a day for 2 weeks and fuck off for 6 months.

>>11646158
I want to beat everything and be like the cool kids on /jp/

>>11646173
You're not going to get any better by doing that unless you're extremely talented. If you're really serious about it, you'll grind for hours on end each day.

I'm not really consistent with Touhou myself, so I'm more of a weekly player because the community makes me feel like shit. That, and I have no real motivation to attempt beating any Western scores, nor do I feel like I'd be able to. Anyway, the competitive scoring community is even worse than the fighting game community, which really kills my drive to actually want to grow as a player, to go beyond only doing casual practice. I should probably just say fuck the scene and play for my own self improvement instead.

if u disagree with someone, post you're scores. the person with the best score is the one with the correct opinion. problems solved

Why are all of you people such dirty casual. Disgusting scrubs that thing they know what they're talking about. Not to mention difficulty discussion is ridiculously dumb - especially for survival. What's the hardest category? IN with Youmu solo. Optimal play is harder than in PCB.

Discussion over. You can prove me wrong if you're able to, but I highly doubt anyone here has the ability to.

Talk to her before and after each class. If she's just sitting in a chair, or standing somewhere, go up to her and talk about something interesting. But make sure she isn't already talking to someone else.
Ask her for her email address or her IM. Do this at least the fifth time you see her if you talk to her a lot, and if she asks why, you don't have to tell her it's because you like her, just turn it around and ask why not.
Don't make fun of her if she does sloppy push-ups, or a bad counter. You can do it once in a while, but not every time you go. Try not to be too patronizing, but it could give you the opportunity to show off and help her with her technique. However some girls might take offense to any form of criticism so be careful.
While sparring her, if you get to do so, don't go too hard on her, but don't go so easy that it's obvious. Remember, she IS learning the same techniques as you, and may well feel you are insulting her abilities by going easy on her.
Compliment her on her Aikido skills after class. Girls love it when they get compliments. If she's more advanced than you, ask her to help you with a technique. It'll give you the opportunity to talk to her while flattering her skill.
Saying Good bye. When you're leaving, or when she's leaving (which ever is first), say good bye to her. The best way to say it is see you later, so the girl knows that you actually want to see her later.
Make sure you don't have anything stuck in your teeth when you talk to her.
If there are any awkward silences in your conversations, quickly say something funny or interesting.
If you're talking to her, stare into her eyes and don't look around in different places in the room. It'll annoy her.
Check if your dojo has any rules about dating someone from the class. Some have rules like this to prevent both sexual harassment and interpersonal drama from cropping up in class.

Things you'll need

Membership in an Aikido class
A girl

>>11645820
>Why would I just pretend some games are more/less difficult when I've played LNB'd all of them?
I just mean that bias isn't limited to pretending that some games are harder because you enjoy one better or worse. I'm just nitpicking words like I was nitpicking "official".

In any case, glorious history there. I would still say you're in a very small minority to be able to handle it even that consistently, but at least you can back yourself up.

>>11645851
>Maze. Cute :3

Why don't we talk about how good the Touhou games are instead of which ones are harder?!

HrTP: This game is so good that I couldn't stand playing it for more than 2 minutes. It has a great focus on balls that I enjoy a lot and even using bombs was a technical challenge for me :>

SoEW: A very solid shmup and ZUN's first. It might not be as polished as the rest of the series but it's definitely still a solid entry. It's really interesting in how that it only has 5 stages which means that it's easier to play more runs of it. It also has a nice difficulty curve and to make matters more interesting, the hitbox sometimes gets displaced. What's not to like? I couldn't reach Stage 3 on easy mode but it's still really fun. I would recommend it. It's at least way better than Dodonpachi and most of those arcade shmups that some people always have to claim are better!

PoDD - This game is extremely badassly awesome xD It's probably one of the easier Touhou games because it's all based on random dodging with literally no memorization whatsoever. There's Mima in it, which means it's pretty good already, and it's actually one of the first Lunatic clears i got.

What really makes the game stand out is that it's just plain and simple dodging. You just dodge while you mash the firing button.

LLS: A really solid shmup. It's really good because it is really good and fun. This game is made so that it rewards not very skilled players like me by letting me bomb a lot and it gives me bombs at the end of stages which is something that i really like because it means i get less frustrated. I also like the girls in it. And the music is cute.

MS: This is a really fun shmup. It employs innovative new techniques such as a really long stage 1 to throw you off your game and bullets that are hard to see on the background in stage 4. It even has a balls hard stage 5 boss. Really solid entry. Would definitely recommend.

>>11648066
continued.

EoSD is one of my favorites because it is really fun. its not that memorization based so its more about your dodging skill rather than your autism. I also think that meiling is a great character and i would love drill the deepest insides of her dripping wet pussy while i play the game. My lightsaber is buzzing with bloodlust just from the thought of it. Also UN Owen is a really good song. Probably one of the best songs in the game.

PCB: Very fun shmup, i like how it has cherry borders that can help you out of memoshit situations so it's really good for people like me who relies on pure reflexes and mad consistency to dodge my things. I really like the stages and Ran is a really foxy sexy lady who i would really like to constrain with ropes as i drill her pussy with my cock while my friends insert cylindrical objects into the bumholes of chen and yukari. but this was actually meant as reviews of touhou games and not talking about what me and my friends do in the weekend so moving on.

IN: My favorite touhou game. Probably because i'm such a big fan of Keine, Reisen and Eirin. The music is also really stellar. I'm a very big fan of this one even if the memorization aspect is a bit too big for me in this one.

PoFV: Mechanically identical to PoDD but easier game. It has better girls but not as good music so in general i don't like this as much but it's still very solid.

MoF: This game is a very solid shmup with great characters such as Aya and Sanae who are both very good characters who likes to have sex a lot. The music is really good and Virtue of Wind God is a very great spell and i love the videos where those godlike people on youtube time it out.

>>11648135
continued

SA: An excellent shmup with focus on grazing. This is probably one of the greatest shmups ever made. THe stages are really hard and the bosses are really hard too. It probably has one of the hardest Stage 5 bosses in the series.

UFO: Tons of hard, almost too hard for me. I don't think i'd ever be able to handle this on Lunatic but it's still a lot of fun. Byakuren is a very hot character and i like how the scoring is just pick up all blues and bam, WR tier score. it's nice how simple things are and i really like that.

TD: This game is one of the best in the series. It has a great cast of characters, particularly Mamizou, and it has a great sense of difficulty balance. I like the trance system, it's kinda like you can save up some extra bomb to counter hard spellcards (which this game has a lot of) so it kinda adds risk reward where you try to save your trance for the really hard stuff.

DDC: I can't play this game, seriously. It's too hard for me. I insist on playing it with SakuyaB because i read she has the highest potential for score but i cannot 1cc it yet. The game still seems very fun though and the Stage 5 boss' gimmick is challenging and fun to mess with.

>>11648135
>great characters such as Aya and Sanae who are both very good characters who likes to have sex a lot

Which 2hu has the perfect blend of good looks and difficulty?

>>11648161
Marisa

I'd hate to see how you guys fare against a real STG.

Touhou is fun and all, but it's generally regarded as pretty easy among shmup fans. Some shmup sites don't even recognize it as a ``real'' shmup because it's just some indie shite.

Please play a game with real challenge instead of artificial difficulty. Please. It hurts knowing there are Touhou fans who haven't played a proper STG before.

>>11648221
Post you're scores!
I'm a 2hu fag and sure i have shit scores in arcade games (only 140m in DDP :/) but i prefer to focus on 2hu because they have greater grillz xD

>>11648221
Why are STG fans such pretentious assholes?

>>11644732
> PCB - Hardest nothing.
I always had a hard time with Yuyuko.

>>11648314
Lewd

>>11648221
Haha. I like it how in the Shmup community you think a clear of a game is an achievement :D

>>11648230
you forgot :v

>>11648354
Haha. I like it how the games you play are so stupidly easy a child could clear it.

>>11648427
Some of us are children though.

>>11648221
>Please play a game with real challenge instead of artificial difficulty.
Then we wouldn't be playing a genre of games that proudly boasts "trial and error" as a hallmark.

>>11648237
Because dead genres always have their own set of steadfast elitists who refuse to play anything that's not the old stuff. See: RTS, Arena FPS, Rhythm.

>>11648135
I always thought people hated UN Owen, I find the song charming in its own way and it first Flan perfectly.

>>11648221
Most of the people don't even play for score ! Don't they know that's where the complexity and challenge of the genre lies.

>>11648471
Didn't the osu world cup recently happen?
Who ended up winning?

>>11648221
Is Radiant Silvergun a real shmup?
I liked that.

That's why we can't have nice STG discussions anymore.

You people should focus on how to increase your skill, not on how you would look good in other's eyes.

>>11648482
I think he was being sarcastic.

But UN Owen has a special place in my heart, considering it was the first Touhou song I listened to.

Post your powerlevel.

>>11649676
Why would a 1CC on Easy lead to clearing Extra when you need to 1CC on Normal to unlock Extra?

>>11649676
I've only 1CC two games on hard, so I guess I'm level 4.

>>11649684
PCB

>>11649676
6.

Not that I care, the photography games are better than the regular ones.

>>11649676

I've done at least 3 games on hard mode but haven't beaten any extra stages. Where does this put me?

>>11649676
I have a 90fps 1cc and I can't clear Lunatic. What does that make me?

>>11649676
4
>>11649721
5

>>11649812
I play for score and go for casual LNB's. I suppose an 8?

>>11644897
Isn't Ran usually considered the easiest?

>>11645337
Too busy playing their free browser games, the ones that require zero reflexes and negative skill

>>11645337
Too busy playing their free browser games, the kind that requires zero skill, and negative charisma

>>11645129
>>11649909
>Ran harder than anyone
is this bizarro /jp/

like the only remotely threatening thing about her is "Charming Siege from All Sides". Meanwhile every other ex has multiple assrape patterns

>>11648230
I'm at 200m in Ketsui now :3 Scoring was so much fun until I learned about empty locking, doesn't matter since I have multiple 2MNBs of the first loop, once I get Ura I'll actually start practicing more.

>>11648574
But to be good in the eyes of other players, you have to actually... be good? Why improve yourself little by little when you can shoot for the highest straight away?

>>11650183
200m? Not bad! I don't play Kets for score that much but i find that score impressive. :)

I can't tell what's ironic and what's not ITT.

>>11650183
>:3
Stop that.

>>11650246
Jesus Christ, it's a lion get in the car

>>11650250
>>>/b/

>>11650174
And Banquet of Twelve General Gods.

>>11650303
basic streaming

>>11649676
8 and 10, but not 9, so I'm not sure.

>>11648221
"Real" STGs are basically bullet shitting machines that throw as many particle effects at the player hitbox as the hardware can handle before slowdown kicks in, with no regard for patterns or playability. It's barely a game anymore, it's all about flooding the screen with flashing lights and pretty colors to detract from the fact that you're playing the same game over and over again but with different girls.
Not saying Touhou is any better, but you can't really say it's worse compared to the others.

>>11650362
Thats because "real" STGs are designed after the old arcade games which were designed to eat your money and shit on your face.

Why so concerned with what real STG's are? Just shut up and have fun with the games you like and don't needlessly diss other games just because you aren't a fan

I don't know what the deal with bullet hell shooters is. Whether it is Touhou, Shuusou Gioku (except for Reimu see pic), Kamui or Suguri, I do pretty well. But when I play "regular" STG like Area 88 I get eaten alive.

>>11650327
How can you "basic stream" something that fucks you over from all directions?

>>11650444
top left and top right are not "all directions"
stay at the bottom and go from left to right or vice versa

>>11650456
That's not going to work.
You have to dodge it in one of the corners and you can't just simply stream it, you have to move up and down as well.

>>11650436
Its the larger hitbox, also horizontal scrolling probably messes with you.

8/10 good choice however

>>11650523
At one point they come from one direction, later from another. Hard as fuck to do.

>>11650540
>Hard as fuck to do.

It is.

>>11650561
then why did I consistently capture it despite being 100% survivalfag?

>>11650569
Difficulty is a subjective thing.

How comes all these folks on here saying that Mokou is easy? I always fuck up Honest Man's Death, Fujiyama Volcano, and Possessed by Phoenix

>>11651555
Because they use spell practice to memorize all the tricks and press X half a second after getting hit on anything requiring dodging.

She is probably the hardest Windows Extra boss to NMNB.

>>11649676
Level 2, and damn proud of it.

>>11649676
6 and 10.

>>11649676
Is 1ccing any hard really easier than beating any extra?

>>11651575
because of one bullshit nonspell, sure.

>>11651907
Yup.

Who else prefers a gamepad/controller? Or am I the only one that can afford one

>>11651951
You're the only one.

>>11651951
I used an Xbox gamepad for awhile but switched over to keyboard because input felt more instant

>>11651950
I posted that backwards because I am autsislexic.

Is beating any extra really easier than 1ccing any hard?


Also before that guy asks for help on SA normal stage 5; I'll just post this now

>>11651959
I was one of the guys who asked for help in SA stage 5, but I've beaten it now.

>>11651603
Very close to Level 3, if Mima would stop being such a bitch. Although I guess you could say I was on level 7 for a while because before I applied the vsync patch I would play EoSD at 450 fps, and sometimes I'd switch on Lunatic for the hell of it. Not that I could ever get to Meiling's first appearance, but what the hell.

>>11652025
That's an unreasonably large fps!

>>11652025
You need to clear to be eligible for level 7.

here's my opinions
>EoSD
Best difficulty curve, only easy for me because i've played it the most - fuck you maze of love fuck you
>PCB
Enjoyable all around buy Youmu has a tendency to eat half my lives, and yuyu's cards are a little to claustrophobic
>IN
Difficulty is like a roller coaster, first two stages are simple, 3rd stage can kill me on an off day, 4th and 5th stages are either pushovers or brickwalls, 6th stage is much the same
>MoF
More like mountain of bombs? worst bit is Sanae's cards that require too much pixel perfect precision
>If it weren't for the terrible shot types this would be damn near perfect, also harder than every other game and I love it because of that.
>UFO
Like SA but with a tenancy to kill me unexpectedly, also the bomb/life system is impossible to use beyond stage 4
>TD
I actually really like it - it's like EoSD but more modern
>DDC
Like SA but with more gimmicks and less balance

Go easy on me /jp/

>>11651993
congrats!

>>11652126
touhou is shit. SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!

>>11652687
Fuck off dude. Go shitpost some where else.

I'm disgusted by my own inability.

Hi. So recently my friend came over and played Touhou using my computer, and told me that my keyboard is wrecked as I could not move diagonally in any of the games. I've been playing Touhou for 8 months now, and I couldn't even 1cc normal. Does the inability to move diagonally affect my skills?

>>11652723
O-okay. S-s-sorry.

>>11652774
No as long as you can move in 4 directions you're golden.

Hardest bosses by stage, there will be ties because I am indecisive
Stage 1: Yamame
Stage 2: Sekibanki/Kyouko
Stage 3: Kagerou/Yoshika
Stage 4: Murasa/Aya
Stage 5: Shou/Rin
Stage 6: Erin/Kaguya
Extra: Koishi

Easiest bosses by stage
Stage 1: Wriggle
Stage 2: Chen
Stage 3: Meiling
Stage 4: Reimu/Patchouli
Stage 5: Reisen/Futo
Stage 6: Miko
Extra: Suwako

Game with hardest none spell cards: EoSD
Game with easiest spell cards: TD

I personally think that PCB stage 3 and SA stage 3 are pretty fun because they stand out from the rest.

>>11652927
The seem to be similar in that the boss is constantly there fucking with the player

>>11652774
I'd definitely get a different keyboard. Diagonals are paramount to any sort of decent play. As a Lunatic player I wouldn't ever be able to play optimally without diagonals, but perhabs on Normal it would be feasible to compensate but still, i would seriously recommend getting a new keyboard. Not being able to move diagonally will definitely affect you negatively.

>>11652945
And that's why I love them.

Do any of you ever start crushing ass over a short period of time? Despite never 1cc SA (normal), PCB on hard, or beating an extra boss I managed to do two in succession and one a few hours later. Raiko was fun but I hated that one time out spell card with the beat and notes in the corners.

>>11649676
Level 3 here, one day I'll 1cc hard.

>>11649676
This chart is ambigous about the difficulty at which bosses must be NMNB'd. You can all now become level 7.

>>11653220
No, it says that you have to NMNB all of them. Not just any one.
Also, it's not really very much of an indicator of skill in itself. What matters is consistency and you don't demonstrate that very well by just NMNB'ing a boss in practice mode.

>>11652911
Hardest:
Stage 1: Yamame
Stage 2: Kyouko
Stage 3: Kagerou
Stage 4: Seiga
Stage 5: Shou
Stage 6: Byakuren
Extra: Koishi

Easiest:
Stage 1: Rumia
Stage 2: Cirno
Stage 3: Alice
Stage 4: Prismrivers
Stage 5: Futo
Stage 6: Miko
Extra: Ran

>>11653230
My point still stands.

>>11653253
>Stage 4: Seiga
You serious? Her spell cards are mostly about well timed vertical movement. I ain't saying you're wrong but you have a reason for that?

I agree with most of your list though, danged curved lasers with Shou

>>11652945
Rin is a bit of an ass in that department

Even after you beat her the pussy still keeps coming!

>>11653230
>NMNB
May I axe what this is?

>>11649676
2.

I could probably 1cc easy or normal but I like playing on hard. Lately I can get to Sakuya's stage before I need to use a continue. Please /jp/, pet my head and tell me I'm doing good.

>>11653274
Her mid boss appearance in stage six bothers me the most. Her cards fuck with my eyes

How do you take it easy while playing Touhou? I always end up getting upset and quitting for weeks at a time whenever I play like shit.

>>11653730
i play on easy

>>11653292
Her stage six spell card is an eyestrain, but it's a simple pattern as well, so it's not as bad as some of her other cards.

SA is infamously "difficult" for inexperienced players. Most of the patterns are only difficult in that you don't know how to handle them yet, or haven't memorized them yet. The actual execution skill required in SA is very low, among the lowest in the series.

>>11654024
What bullet hell game has the highest execution skill? I want to practice on it because my execution is really trashy.

>>11654024
OP has apparently done a LNB of all the games and he's saying SA is hard. I don't see how it's only difficult for inexperienced players. I know tons of good players that feel it is the hardest/among the hardest in the series.

>>11654040
DDC. If you don't bomb in DDC then you're going to need to be good because the patterns themselves are really difficult

>>11644732
Hey /jp/
Which touhou should I play first?

>>11654240
6, 7, or 8.
I think playing them in order is the best way to do it, but most people will tell you to start with 8.

>>11654240
>>11654256
I got both 6 and 8 when I first heard of the series back then. I just played them both by turns until I eked out a 1cc in 6.
I still remember being totally overwhelmed by all those characters.

>>11654159
Names, please.

>>11654256
is the hitbox patch for 6 generally recommended? Sorry in advance for being a faggot.

>>11654381
is giving 2hus more frills generally recommended? I thought the patch was useless all around, EoSD hitboxes are totally crazy. Your choice.

What I do NOT recommend is replacing that charming Reimu EoSD sprite.

>>11654240
7 or 10

When you can clear either of those, move on to any of the others.

Stay away from 11 and 12 unless you want a challenge.

>>11654240
Don't.

>>11654381
>>11654395
Fuck that shit, I'm playing with the patch, you can see your hibox in every other Win 2hu game, so there's no reason not to.
Oh, and I'm using the re-textutre patch as well, because fuck all of you.

>>11654405
You missed 14.

>>11654326
You won't know them. They're friends of mine that don't browse /jp/.

>>11654487
In other words, imaginary friends. Every "good player" on the Internet has agreed on SA being a rather simple game.

>>11654326
>>11654493

MaZe.

>>11654493
Imaginary friends just because they don't come here to attention whore about their achievements? Get back to /v/ if you want to troll.

>>11654523
MaZe is a rare case though.

>>11654481
DDC isn't that bad, not on Normal, which is what a newcomer should be playing anyway.

>>11654381
Get the hitbox patch if you want.
I used it at first, and dropped it once I could 1CC normal easily.

>>11654630
I'm tempted seeing how Patchy just destroyed me.

>>11654656
Which shot type were you using?
Patchy switches up her attacks, depending on what shot type you face her with.

>>11654666
No kidding? I was using persuasion needle.

>>11654673
I believe that her spellcards for persuasion needle are a bit harder than homing, but it's been a while, and I don't play as Reimu often.

Almost all the stage 4 bosses have some sort of unique quirk like that. PCB has you fight three characters at once, while IN and DDC has two separate bosses, with the one you fight depending on what shot type you decided to use at the beginning.

>>11654690
Hrm, I suppose I'll try homing then; if EoSD is like the rest of the series it should be better for people who suck anyways. Would you have a recommended shot type for Marisa?

Speaking of Marisa, she's a complete bitch in IN I mean damn.

>>11654707
Yeah, those stars are a pain in the ass, and Master Spark can be a bit of a sucker punch the first time around.
Most people think Reimu is tougher, but I've always had more problems with Marisa.

>>11645695
Mystic Square is still my favorite Touhou game because of the fucking god-tier soundtrack.

There's also 1 and 3 which aren't really a lot like the others but still loads of fun. 3 is also the second best local multiplayer game if you want to obliterate friendships, right behind Mario Party.

>>11654673
ReimuB gets pretty much the hardest spellcard set in my opinion.

>>11654707
>Speaking of Marisa, she's a complete bitch in IN I mean damn.
I thought so too at first, but after a while once you get some shmup expereince and learn how to react fast, she's really fun to fight.

>>11654813
> ReimuB
> Not MarisaA

Sylphae Horn High Level and Emerald Megalith. That is all.

I'm starting with the PC98 games right now and holy shit, these are fun. I never see these talked about nearly as much, is it just a matter of opinion or are the later ones really that much better?

>>11654824
I don't know, Emerald Megalith isn't that bad.
Her fire spells are worse, in my opinion.

>>11654828
They aren't talked about because most people were introduced through the Windows games. Plus the fact that almost the entire cast, save for 4 characters, get cut when Touhou makes the transition to Windows.

Huh, I'm actually finding myself appreciating Marisa's speed in EoSD. Usually I hate it.

Also is there a particular game in the series that would sharpen one's shmup fundamentals? The photo games perhaps?

>>11654875
The photo games are a good way to do that, since they're basically spell practice, the game.
The first one is harder than the second, but they are both tough.
Otherwise, you could always just play other shmups. The skills you gain from other games in the genre can really help with Touhou.

>>11654828
Dude, the PC-98 games are amazing. My expectations going into them were set low, but I've had so much fun with HRtP that it's ridiculous. It really is a shame that they aren't very popular.

>>11654875
Yeah the photo games are good for getting used to how touhou works. They aren't exactly the same as the main games, since there's three movement speeds and attacking is performed differently, but the lack of bombs forces you to use your head to get around certain challenges.

>>11654896
>HRtP
I just can't get into that game. Maybe it's just because I was expecting a shmup, and got a breakout clone.
SoEW and beyond are all good, though.
I would play HRtP if Zun remade it as a Shmup.

>>11654901
HRtP is fucking fun as a Breakout clone. That and 3 are two of my favorites even if they aren't traditional SHMUPs.

Nothing will ever unseat Mystic Square in my heart, though.

>>11654921
Mystic Square is still the only Touhou game I have yet to 1CC, aside from HRtP.
I'm just waiting for a translation patch, like the one we got for SoEW

>>11654937
I'm just playing them all without paying much attention to the story, if I care about the story at all I just look it up later.

Is that bad?

>>11654941
The dialogue and story can be a bit confusing anyway, so that's fine.
I just prefer to know what the characters are saying to one another.

>>11654941
Theres very little of the story in the dialogue itself.

Its mostly
"Man its fucking cold"
"Who the fuck are you?"
"Who is this bitch?"
"No you're the bitch"
"Okay who is this next bitch"
"I AM POETIC JUSTICE"
"OKAY STOP HITTING ME"
and then you get to stage 5 and
"I'm gonna stop you!"
"Okay that hurt, but my master will stop you!"
And then Stage 6
"Completely nonsensical small talk."
"Dude shut up I know you did it"
"Yeah okay, I did [plot]. LETS FIGHT NOW"

The game is mostly just watching the story play itself out, the story itself is primarily in the readmes and endings.

>>11654967
It's not that bad, but without the readme there's pretty much no way to tell what's going on, especially in the early Windows games.
Although, the PC-98 era games didn't really suffer from that either, which is weird.

>>11654967
>"Completely nonsensical small talk."
That is the charm

>>11654896
>lack of bombs

You could just as well say the photo shots are bombs and it's a bomb-only game. They certainly perform the main function of bombs (getting you out of undodgeable danmaku).

I suck at this game, I can't even beat Remilia on easy mode

>>11644732
Hey /jp/
Which touhou should I fuck first?

>>11655990
chen

>>11655990
Make a list in alphabetical order, assing a number from 1 to "n" where "n" is the number of Touhou characters then roll a dice and test you luck.
The problem is finding a dice with enough faces though.

People still play this shit? What the hell are you doing, Kancolle is the new thing.

>>11656053
I play real shmups that allow me to increase my fundamentals in between KanCore like DoughDawnPatch Dai Ou Jou White Label :^)

>>11655990
Your mom.

>>11656072
Kanako?

>>11654444
>Fuck that shit, I'm playing with the patch, you can see your hibox in every other Win 2hu game, so there's no reason not to.
If ZUN wanted the game to be made with a visible hitbox, he would have done so. Also, the visible hitbox patch is massively broken, since you can still see your hitbox even unfocused. It's basically cheating, have fun not being able to submit scores to any website that carries them.

>>11656330
I will because no one short of the mentally ill plays for score.

>>11656368
Stay free forever, shitter.

32 years later, people still mad about patched EoSD

>>11656377
Post your scores, nerd.
Also, why vsync patch is not considered cheating but a shitty texture replace is?

>>11656387
I wonder...

>>11656387
I have to use vsync patch because if I don't, I get massive input delay.

Which only happens if I use my ATI card. On my ATI, I get about 5-6 frames of input delay. When I switch to my older nvidia card, I get about 1 frame. No game other than Touhou does this.

>>11656448
Yeah, yeah sure, keep telling yourself that you CHEATER.

>>11649676
What's the difference between no-miss no-bomb and perfect?

>>11656765
All the nonos you can imagine and more.

>>11656765
>NMNB all bosses

Meaning, done using cheat states of stage select cheats. Perfect means actually NMNBing the entire game in one go. Don't get why playing for score is on top though, even dumb shitters like me can play for score and have fun with it, but I could never imagine doing anything beyond a Hard NB.

>>11656775
>cheat states of stage select
People actually do this? That's like taking a test with the answer sheet in front of you. You can't call yourself skilled like that.
Playing for score is more tongue in cheek, but should be equivalent to trying to set a world record.

Is there an english patch for DDC in the works? I like the conversations the characters have in Touhou.

>>11657331
see >>11654967

>>11657331
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=touhou+ddc+english+patch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqH43tDiHjE

Does /jp/ agree? Frogy's spell card shouldn't be on there

>>11658900
No I don't agree. That list is beyond wrong, even factoring in how old it is. Reflowering as number 1 is incredibly funny though.

>>11657331
Just have conversations with them in your head like the rest of us.

>>11657423
Are there any DDC english patches that aren't the self-updating patch, though?
I really don't like using having to use that just to play Touhou in English.

>>11658912
I agree with number 3

That card is beyond bullshit

>>11652911
Hardest
Stage 1 : Yamame
Stage 2 : Kyouko
Stage 3 : Kagerou
Stage 4 : Benben/Yatsuhashi
Stage 5 : Shou
Stage 6 : Remilia
Extra : Flandre

Easiest
Stage 1 : Rumia
Stage 2 : Parsee
Stage 3 : Ichirin
Stage 4 : Murasa
Stage 5 : Futo
Stage 6 : Yuyuko
Extra : Ran

>>11644732
EoSD very hard, even on easy. But the actual difficulty is that normal mode is required to get a good ending. Never got a good ending

PCB hard as balls, only game i ever had to try more than once to beat on easy (took 15 tries). Only extra stage i have ever done, and only because ran is mai waifu

IN is the most 'fair' in terms of difficulty, you can go in not knowing what to expect from each character, and still have a good chance at capturing cards compared to the other games, the most fun though, the only one i actually did finish with all characters

MoF only hard because good ending requires normal difficulty, never got a good ending

SA sorta hard, needed to try twice

UFO also needed to try twice, as a example of not fair, you fucking dodge the anvil, and then who the fuck would expect it to come back instead of just respawning at her?

TD easy as fuck

DDC even easier

I play only on easy modo because i play for the plot

>>11649676
4
>>11649684
i fucking did that in PCB, the only extra i did

>>11652911
>Stage 5: Shou
FUCKING CURVED LAZERS

New thread is up for anybody that cares. >>11659369

>>11659369

>>11659369

>>11659369

>>11659376
This thread isn't even close to being dead yet, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>11659378
240 posts. Isn't the limit 250?

>>11659386
It's 300.

>>11659386
It's 300 on /jp/. On which site is the limit 250?

Saturday I'll finally go to Gensokyo.

In a hour I'm going to find some Yew trees take around 300 grams of the leaves.
At home I will dry them in the oven, then I will use a diluted alcohol mix to extract the alkoids out of the leaves for a night.
If that won't kill me, then nothing will.

>>11659393
Don't forget to stream it.

>>11659420
Not going to, I'm going to drink the poison and then go to "friends", or atleast the few people I haven't completely alianated yet.

>>11659304
>I play only on easy modo

Pfffhahaha, you shouldn't even be allowed to voice your opinions in this thread.
Or post at all for that matter.

>>11659428
Got some bad news for you m8, normies can't go to Gensokyo.

I wrote a textwall for the other topic, and it got deleted. So, enjoy.

Hardest bosses by stage:
1 - Nazrin, hands down. No one summons bullets all around the screen so early.
2 - Kogasa, first card is too tricky for some shot types, second is balls-to-the-wall hard for that level and third is another trick
3 - Ichirin, pretty much needs to be trained before you go for the 1cc until you get comfortable with both the lasers and screen shaking
4 - Reimu, I guess. She lasts forever and most of her spells are infuriating. Wanna say Aya and Aya!Satori, but they lastfar shorter and can be bombed through. Reimu is an all-around tough endurance battle.
5 - Shou, obvious reasons. At least you can learn to trivialize some of Orin's stuff.
6 - Byakuren, hands down. She is flat-out difficult, murders me all the time and is no stranger to tricky crap like Magic Milky Way. Also, that circling nonspell...
EX - Koishi, mostly because you need to be careful all the fucking time, unlike other extra bosses

Easiest bosses by stage:
1 - Rumia, duh.
2 - Hina has nothing really threatening, unlike everyone else
3 - Meiling, followed closely by Alice. No problem with that, both are fun to fight.
4 - Marisa. May be long, but her stuff is either trivial or very obvious when to bomb.
5 - Reisen. She has exactly one threatening pattern (Mind Stopper). At least Futo drops some random shit and arrow hitboxes.
6 - Yuyuko. Slow patterns are pleasant to dodge.
EX - Ran, once you learn her, not much poses a threat.

What are the hardest midbosses by stage?
1 - Nazrin because sweeping the screen with lazors.
2 - Hina, that spell card.
3 - Yuugi, autobomb
4 - Momiji, she's somewhat annoying
5 - Cat!Orin, bomb bomb bomb.
6 - Eirin, both levels
EX - Sanae, Fruit is demanding and Rice Shower is balls-to-the-wall hard

>>11659441
Don't worry, they've never cared whatsoever about me.
Also never kissed a girl and my omega powerlevel is pretty enormous.

>>11659447
continued

What are the easiest midbosses by stage?
1 - The ghost in TD, lel.
2 - Parsee, GEM is a one-time trick
3 - Alice, fun but easy
4 - Koakuma, duh
5 - Tojiko, yawn
6 - Youmu, Ageless Obsession is 100% static.
EX - Kanako, only the final spell poses a threat at all

What are the hardest stages?
1 - DDC I suppose, walls so early
2 - PCB/UFO tie, much stuff so early
3 - UFO, hands down. Random, dense spam and walling walls.
4 - UFO, evil ending and so many wasted tokens
5 - UFO, annoying as fuck
6 - MoF, because of all that crap. But it's hella fun
EX - UFO, UFO, UFO. I don't feel the need to explain that one.

What are the easiest stages?
1 - EoSD. Nothing can kill you.
2 - EoSD, ditto above
3 - EoSD, again, as long as you're careful
4 - TD, how could you compare that to stuff like SA and UFO S4s
5 - MoF, really, barring Sanae it's fucking trivial on Lunatic
6 - TD, nothing but a spirit farm~
EX - PCB, memorize everyting and no stress you will ever feel

Excluded PC-98 'cuz I didn't play them enough, and it would be hard to compare, say, hitbox-less SoEW to modern patterns anyway.

>>11659447
>>11659450
Almost everything you wrote is wrong.

>>11659304
>Easy

... :V ... that's all I can say

>>11659447
>Hardest bosses by stage:
>all fucking UFO
Wow get good.

>What are the hardest midbosses by stage?
>2 - Hina, that spell card.
Which spell card? She's genuinely easy and pleasant to fight.

>3 - Yuugi, autobomb
nigga what

>5 - Cat!Orin, bomb bomb bomb.
The only legitimate entry in your entire wall of text.

>>11659492
It isn't like UFO even gets hard until ST5 anyway. And that's only if you're playing on Lunatic, any lower difficulty and the game becomes extremely trivial fucking off for fun time. :3

I only play normal
Hardest bosses
Stage 1: Wakasagihime
Stage 2: Kyouko
Stage 3: Yuugi
Stage 4: Satori (Yukari) or Murasa
Stage 5: Shou
Stage 6: Okuu
Easiest
Stage 1: I'd say Orange, but it feels wrong to compare Windows and PC98 game difficulty. Rumia
Stage 2: Cirno
Stage 3: Keine
Stage 4: Prismrivers
Stage 5: Futo
Stage 6: Eirin
Games in terms of difficulty overall (on normal)
SA > DDC > UFO > TD > MoF > PoFV > EoSD > IN > PCB
Easiest extra: Mokou
Hardest extra: Flandre

Hardest:

stage1 midboss: Cirno DDC
stage1: DDC
stage2 : Kogasa
stage3 : Alice
stage4: TD
stage5 : DDC
stage6 : DDC

I guess i'm the only faggot who finds TD Yuyuko the hardest stage 1 boss.

>>11659495
This, unless I actually go for the 1cc above normal, then I don't even *reach* stage 5 most of the time. But UFO is damn fun in Stage Practice.

The rest of the responses... well, don't really see the need of rebuttal if there's nothing other than "u wrong get gud".

>>11659450
That damn stage is why I still haven't beaten EX UFO, it makes me nervous

>>11659390
Then how come the Kancolle threads go up to a thousand and more in just two days?

>>11659447
>Rice Shower
>hard
I dunno, the bullets just travel in straight lines, you can tell where they're gonna go sorta
Though that's the only spell card in SA'S EX that I can do well...

>>11649676
11: Retirment

>>11659447
> Hardest bosses
> All but 1 from UFO

Opinion disregarded.

I can pacify Ichirin in her entirety with more consistency than I can just simply capture Kagerou's attacks. She is a pitiful stage 3 boss, despite being somewhat fun.

Nazrin has absolutely nothing scary for a stage 1 boss. Compare her to Yamame who has her first non spell which can be hell, and mermaid bitch who's first spell card can actually be a cunt and throw out some ridiculously hard patterns sometimes.

Byakuren also has nothing on the likes of Remilia, Kaguya and Sukuna.

DDC bosses should take the place of half of what you said. The only UFO boss that deserves to be called hard is Shou.

Anyway.

I'm thinking about hosting a custom tournament to keep things interesting. The ability to stream is REQUIRED though.
Here's how it is going to work.
One non shit spell from each game from Touhou 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 will be picked (When I say non shit, I mean some random non memoshit pure dodging spell). Then you and your opponent will go on stream (stgrillz) and use SpoilerAL to stop the spell timer. You'll both then simply dodge until one of you dies first. The one who survives the longest wins that round, and thus you will move onto the next games chosen spell. Rinse and repeat until all of the spells are done. The person who won the most, wins.

> Implying anybody will join
> Implying I wouldn't win anyway.

>>11659631
>Then you and your opponent will go on stream (stgrillz) and use SpoilerAL to stop the spell timer. You'll both then simply dodge until one of you dies first.
If the timer is frozen, how can you be sure of who lasted the longest.

>>11659651
I imagine we'd have at least a few viewers to each to confirm when somebody dies, if the person who is playing tries to hide that fact.

>>11659662
They're not going to be perfectly synchronized. Quantitative measurement or nothing.

>>11659594
It's a combo of forced streaming coupled with random dots. It's difficult by design, even if you get that down well, a dense random bullet concentration might screw you up anyway if you're unlucky.

>>11659631
>I can pacify Ichirin in her entirety with more consistency than I can just simply capture Kagerou's attacks. She is a pitiful stage 3 boss, despite being somewhat fun.
Kagerou is harder than the rest but Yuugi and Ichirin, I give you that, and has more random shit than Ichirin, so I suppose a lunatic player might find her harder. I could propably even support your notion if UFO had a spell practice to actually get those damn two last spells of Ichirin into muscle memory perfectly, otherwise they're far more stressful than Kagerou's stuff.

>Nazrin has absolutely nothing scary for a stage 1 boss. Compare her to Yamame who has her first non spell which can be hell, and mermaid bitch who's first spell card can actually be a cunt and throw out some ridiculously hard patterns sometimes.
She's a cut above anyone below lunatic. Ffirst fucking boss spell in the game requires the player to be aware of the bullets from all directions AND the lasers from above, on all difficulties. Wakasagihime and Yamame only get their BS on Lunatic.

>Byakuren also has nothing on the likes of Remilia, Kaguya and Sukuna.
Yes, she does. Cloudy Way is extremely dense, requires perfect unfocus slips and there's no way to simplify it. Magic Milky Way is a crapshoot, Devil's Recitation gets ridiculous towards the end, with four different dangers at once, and last of her two nonspells need extremely fast reactions.
Agreed about Sukuna, would otherwise put her here. Kaguya's trivial compared to them both and it's obvious when you're in danger anyway (minus Life Spring Infinity). Oh, and the final spell gets EASIER with time.
Remilia is mid-high tier but doesn't hold a candle to Byakuren and Sukuna. All but Meister is easy or just drops you a wall you have to bomb.

>>11659631
>The ability to stream is REQUIRED
>use SpoilerAL

This seem like too much of a pain it the ass, but good luck finding more than 3 people to join.

I do have a different idea though.
Two players against each other. We could do two leagues Normal and Lunatic, so that the less expereinced players may join is as well.
One random spellcard from from Touhou 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 from stage 1 is chosen.
And now the first player has one chance to capture it.
If he fails point goes to the second player, if he succeeds another different random spellcard from stage 1 is chosen for the second player to capture.
If he succeeds a random spellcard from stage 2 is picked for the first player and so on, until we reach stage 6.
Whoever fails first, his opponent gains a point.
In the second round the second player starts first of course.
We could play till someone reaches 3,5,10 points or whatever.

>>11659678
>so I suppose a lunatic player might find her harder
>below lunatic
>only get their BS on Lunatic

But that's what we're talking about here son, Lunatic.
If you're not playing on Lunatic don't even bother discussing difficulty.

Kagerou is a monster compared to any other stage 3 boss, this isn't an opinion, it's a fact.

>>11659714
>But that's what we're talking about here son, Lunatic.
>If you're not playing on Lunatic don't even bother discussing difficulty.

In that case, I have even more of a point. SA, UFO and DDC outclass everything anyway, maybe in different proportions relative to each other than I listed. They're considered to be one difficulty level above the other installment for a reason, and there's no above-lunatic level in EoSD/PCB/IN/MoF/TD without fanmade patches.

>>11659678
I thought you was talking about lunatic.
I don't know what mode you're talking about, but unless you're talking about something below hard then Kagerou will still be much harder than any other stage 3 boss. I'd even go as far as to say hard mode Kagerou is more difficult than lunatic Ichirin and Yuugi.

Can't remember much about stage 1 bosses on hard mode so I'll take your word on that.

Cloudy Way doesn't require you to go unfocused at all. Not even for the lunatic version. Magic Milky Way becomes trivial once you know where to start the spell and how to manipulate the stars. Devil's Recitation is something I've never found particularly difficult.

Can't remember how hard Remi and Kaguya are on hard but Sukuna definitely remains strong on hard though.

>>11659702
Or you can just play PoFV

>>11659731
Difficulties are not a linear scale, a lot of things change. See: Kanako on easy vs normal for an example.

>>11659739
I play Lunatic in EoSD-MoF, Hard in the latter games. I would *like* to actually enjoy Lunatic in later games, but it's no use to jump so high if UFO hard destroy's me.
And I don't even mind that much. At least I don't get bored in EoSD-MoF.

>>11659752
Just play on Lunatic regardless of if it destroys you, idiot.

You'll get good enough so that it doesn't destroy you anymore, and then you'll be ready for games that aren't UFO, aka games that are actually difficult. :V There is literally no reason to play on anything lower than Lunatic.

>>11659779
You tell him onii-chan!

Please don't bully non lunatic players!

>>11659779
Beating your head against the wall ain't gonna help much. You're always better off trying the level you can actually dodge something with maximum effort.
And which actually difficult compared to UFO games you mean, pray tell? The CAVE stuff?

>>11659822
Not him but DDC, SA, EoSD easily surpass it in difficulty.

>>11649676
Secondary and damn proud of it.

Why can't you all just shut the fuck up about diff-
>Let's talk difficulty.
Carry on.

>>11659822
>CAVE
>Hard

maybe the later ones which I've yet to play, but sorry, if I can see a second loop on my 12th credit, the game isn't hard. DDC LNB, EoSD LNB are a fair bit harder, but honestly im shit at shmups, so don't take my opinion seriously.

>>11659857
You almost got me.

>>11659447
Hardest bosses by stage
Stage 1 : Yamame. On here for her first non spell. That is all.
Stage 2 : Kyouko. Pretty difficult nons for a stage 2 boss as well as 2 fairly difficult spell cards.
Stage 3 : Kagerou. Absolutely ridiculously hard stage 3 boss. What the fuck ZUN.
Stage 4 : Benben/Yatsuhashi. Both are quite difficult. Benben has some nasty nons (even when misdirecting them) and her first and last spellcard, Yasuhashi has her 2nd and 3rd spellcard, both of which are immensely difficult.
Stage 5 : Shou. Disgusting bitch fucks my shit up with them stupid fast lasers.
Stage 6 : Remilia. Vampire Illusion, Scarlet Gensokyo, Scarlet Meister and depending on your rank Young Demon Lord.
Extra : Flandre.

Easiest bosses by stage
Stage 1 : Rumia. Has nothing threatening. At all.
Stage 2 : Parsee. Same as above, I really don't have much to say about her.
Stage 3 : Ichirin. Some people say KKS is hard, but since I can pacify it on demand, I disagree. Not very threatening.
Stage 4 : Murasa. First half of the fight is a joke. Sinkable vortex can be quite difficult. Her 3rd spell card is easy 80% of the time, but sometimes it can wall you.
Stage 5 : Reisen. Learn gimmick, never have trouble again.
Stage 6 : Yuyuko. Only 6th stage boss that doesn't make me nervous when I get to her. That's how easy she is.
Extra : Ran. lol

Hardest midbosses by stage
1. Cirno from DDC. That spellcard is brutal for stage 1.
2. Kogasa. On here just for that micro dodge spellcard. It's not very hard but I do to it more than the other stage 2 midbosses attacks
3. Kagerou. Don't even dare try to argue that her midboss spellcard isn't hard as fuck. It's more difficult than Catwalk and Greatest Treasure.
4. ...Benben? Not sure here. Her 2nd non is a pain in the ass though
5. Orin. Yeah yeah, catwalk.
6. Sakuya/Seija. Meek is quite hard and I just suck at those patterns Seija uses here.
Extra. Nue. Strange Skyfish can be a pain.

>>11659965
Easiest midbosses by stage
1. Rumia/TD spirit. Harmless.
2. Daiyousei. Even more harmless.
3. Yuugi/Meiling. There are just much harder stage 3 midbosses than these 2.
4. Nue. Harmless memoshit.
5. Sanae. Same as 3, really.
6. Nue/Orin. Harmless.

Hardest stage sections only
1. DDC. Fairies have a shit ton of life. I hate this stage with a passion. Annoying streaming.
2. DDC/IN. Can't be assed explaining.
3. UFO. Wall fairies, and the fairies at the end are quite annoying.
4. MoF. That ridiculous part. You know what I'm talking about.
5. SA. Always been shit at it. Simple streaming? More like advanced streaming.
6. DDC. 6 Ying Yang orbs part in particular
Extra. EoSD. Just because.

Easiest stages sections only
1. PCB. Beyond simple.
2. EoSD/UFO
3. EoSD. Complete memoshit.
4. IN
5. IN
6. UFO. Pitifully easy. You would have to actively try to die to die here.

>>11659965
>4. ...Benben? Not sure here. Her 2nd non is a pain in the ass though
Those book things in EoSD

>>11659974
Koakuma is the midboss, not the books. They are definitely harder though.

>>11659965
>Yatsuhashi
I don't think so, she is Seiga tie outside of her las spell card. Benben is a fucking cunt though

>>11659966
Hardest Stage 4 midboss is Momoji for me, mostly because I haven't figured how to not bomb her part.

>>11659567
TD Yuyuko is one of the harder ones, especially on hard or above when she starts using that extra spellcard, but beating her other spellcards is just a matter of memorization.

>>11659567
>>11660159
>TD Yuyuko is one of the harder ones

No, no she's not.
TD Yuyuko is a joke on all difficulties,
Unless you're trying to score(TD scoring lel) or time her out.

Why does everyone rank the Koish so highly? Her nonspells are beyond trivial, and most of her cards are pure gimmick, just like the rest of SA minus Utsuho.

>>11660194
Almost all the stage one bosses are jokes, though.
I just think she's less of a joke than most of the other stage one bosses.

>>11660378
>nonspells are beyond trivial, and most of her cards are pure gimmick
Just like 98% of all other extra patterns ever.

>>11660620
>nonspells are beyond trivial
Except for Mokou.
All of her spellcards are pathetically easy though.

>>11660378
Koishi is one of the most difficult Extra bosses before you've beaten her. She isn't very hard at all once you've gotten used to her patterns, unlike other Extra bosses where even after you've beaten them a bunch you aren't necessarily comfortable yet.

>>11656775
shut up maze

>>11661434
That doesn't sound anything at all like me. I would never call somebody as glorious as myself a shitter. Run back to kusoplay.

>>11659631
>I can pacify Ichirin in her entirety with more consistency than I can just simply capture Kagerou's attacks.
Replay of you pacifying Ichirin at all?

>>11661822
inb4 T makes a replay for maze

>>11661822
http://www.mediafire.com/download/sov7lp1j39wz2do/th12_23.rpy

Uploaded it here because it's a boss rush replay, so obviously, unless you've got UFO boss rush then you ain't gonna be able to watch it.
>>11661909
Aww, now I feel like I've missed out on a excellent opportunity. I should name all of my replays after T.
There's my replay anyway. It could be me, it could be T, who knows!
I should have just uploaded one showing me dying to the third spell or something. Don't want to show people how great I am. It's much more fun to have them second guessing themselves.

>>11661966
> maze haters status
> told
pick both!

Not a single replay or score of note in the entire thread. Just Maze yelling at kids. Depressing.

>>11662491
there's a replay 2 posts above yours

>>11659488
>:V

>>11661966
Why are you still playing such shit games? Go and earn some money playing some higher level STGs and games instead, everybody already knows that UFO and Touhou in general is a joke.

>>11662491
Yelling at bad kids.

Can somebody give me a comprehensive list of Need-to-Know /jp/ STG players?
I only know maze and riz

>>11662705
I'm playing shit games because my hate for UFO has driven me to the point where I want to actually make each boss look as pitiful as possible. Since I can pacify everything the first 3 bosses throw out 80% of the time, I'd say I'm doing a fine job. Murasa is a bit trickier to pacify because of Sinkable Vortex getting quicker and quicker but I've done her too. Not going to bother with the other two since Shou is hard and Byakuren just has too many spells to be able to pacify them all without taking a lot of time.

>>11662738
>>>/irc/

>>11662738
maze and riz are the only relevant players in the west so you're all set

>>11662767
>my hate for UFO has driven me to the point where I want to actually make each boss look as pitiful as possible

Holy shit that's hardcore.
For me UFO is just impossible, I can do any other Touhou but not UFO, it's just way too damn difficult.
Or at least it was until DDC came along.

I just installed the second Touhouvania game. I've switched the language to English, but I don't know what the rest of these configuration mean.

Anyone care to provide a rough translation?

>>11663238
-start fullscreen
-cinema scope (jp term for a certain aspect ratio)
-check the net for the latest version at startup

>>11662767
How do I get as good as you, MaZe-sama? Answer my question here, do you think it's a good idea to use training mode? I always use it no matter the game I'm playing, but people are telling me that it gives really bad habits. At the same time, some of the best players in the world advise me to use and abuse all forms of training mode.

Though, I am not so sure about creating save states in the middle of a stage to practice the same 5-10 second section over and over again. These two conflicting opinions have really thrown me off, what is the best, most efficient method of practice? I want to prove some Mexican superplayer wrong and prove to him I can actually beat him at games that aren't Quake, Chess, Hotdog Storm, and mshvssf.

>>11663919
>Mexican superplayer
Don't bother. 99% chance he just plays with tool-assisted slowdown.

>>11663450
Thank you.

Radiant Treasure Gun is much harder than Greatest Treasure. Nazrin is an overrated stage 5 midboss.

DDC is the best Touhou game since IN.

There, I fucking said it.

>>11664401
You're right too.

>>11659857
>if I can see a second loop on my 12th credit, the game isn't hard.
If you can only make it half way through a game you're clearly finding it hard.

>>11664846
does making it to 2-4 count as halfway? I don't think so. :V

>>11663919
> what is the best, most efficient method of practice?
Depends on your goal. Cheat like hell if you want to set a world record, but those methods won't make you skilled at shmups in general. You'll just end up like this guy http://pastebin.com/deNZ6S1q

>>11665099
What about just making saves and practicing individual stages/bosses? I want to become somewhat skilled at a large range of games, but at the same time, I want to be really good at one or two main games.

Gus is pretty ass at anything that isn't Futari Ultra, and he plays for 12 hours a day, probably hating every moment of the game. I don't want to be like that. ;_;

>>11665121
>What about just making saves and practicing individual stages/bosses?
cheating's the easiest way to learn a game quickly, so if you're fine with your scores being fake go for it.
>Gus is pretty ass at anything that isn't Futari Ultra
beat his Galuda 2 score then talk shit. seriously he put in the effort to get good at games he liked. People need to stop being so jealous of him, you could easily do the same just put in the effort.

>>11663919
Playing full runs is the best way to learn. Using save states to practice certain parts that you're having trouble with is good too though.

>>11644833
How is Nue not lewd with those thigh highs of hers?

Was that guy who got TD easy WR a /jp/sie?
He seemed like a /jp/sie.

>>11666494
What?

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/High_scores#Ten_Desires_world_records_.28.E6.9D.B1.E6.96.B9.E7.A5.9E.E9.9C.8A.E5.BB.9F.E3.81.AE.E4.B8.96.E7.95.8C.E8.A8.98.E9.8C.B2.29
http://score.royalflare.net/th13/levelchar13.html#L0
http://score.royalflare.net/th13/history13.html#L0

The TD Easy WR's are all held by Japanese players. A few people who used to frequent these threads have held/hold a WR in Touhou, but I'm rather certain that none of them were in TD Easy, unless you count the replays Heartbeam put together back when the game first came out.

Which run are you even referring to, care to provide a link to it?

>>11666768
Nevermind, I don't know why I thought it was TD there. It was IN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFSefUvkCwA

>>11666802
The person in question doesn't browse /jp/ actively, I think. He might pay these threads a visit in case they're linked in the Touhou related IRC-channel they frequent.

>>11665045
Either way you seem pretty impressed that you made it that far, so clearly you found it difficult.

So, how long does it take for you to get your first 1cc lunatic, /jp/?

I've been playing for roughly 2 year and I'm so close to getting one but never gets it anyway

Figured this would be the right thread to ask, is there a full DDD translation out yet, google, the wikis and moriyashrine yield no result?
>PCB
>Easier than IN
Kaguya may be an excessively hard boss, but the rest of the game is easy safe for the stage 4 boss

>>11666802
I wish I could be this good. ;_;

Maybe if I got a mechanical keyboard I'd be as good, but probably not because I lack the competence to do so anyway.

I think I just saw the fabled maze come into #shmups irc and get banned. Unless it was somebody imitating him. The mods in here are nazis.

whats the hardest thing to supergraze in all of 2hu?

>>11667883
i dont know why he doesnt just make his own irc room to invite people to so he doesnt keep getting banned