/jp/ - Otaku Culture

My school's clocks ran counter-clockwise instead of clockwise.

Are you trying to stir some shit by spouting irrelevant memes?

It always was.

Except Ep 6.

NO

>>11614998
It was call Higurashi then.

>>11615252
I like to pretend it ended at the end of EP5.

Well of course it was good, but it's over now.

Fun to reread with PS3 sprites and voices though!

>>11615252
>>11623250

So Battler is MegaMan X?

>>11615252
EP6 is way better than 8.

>>11624114
they're both shit

>>11624145
Shit is a range, not a specific level of quality.

>>11624145
6 was great and 8 merely had a few troubled parts.

>>11624187
Nope
6 was decent, 8 was shit
Umineko ended at 7

>>11624555
umineko ended at 3

>>11624555
Ehhhh the first part with little Ange playing with everyone and Bern's Mystery game was good, and the final endings themselves were fantastic. It was the middle part that felt too self indulgent, basically the author thinking up excuses for fight scenes

>>11624751
It was pretty much all shit

W-what you don't like the Logic Error Locked room that battler got himself into?

That was like the best part ever.

So, this thread has been alive for 16 hours or so... is it safe to assume Janae is dead?

>>11625551
Umineko threads do not get deleted, and if somehow one does, it certainly be resurrected.

That is the true nature of Endless Magic.

>>11625551
Umineko threads do not get deleted, and if by some miracle one does, it certainly be resurrected.

That is the true nature of Endless Magic.

>>11626386
>by some miracle
*cackle*

It always was. And It always will be good. I love you, sea cats ^~^

Anyone up for a Rosatrice vs. Shkanon flamewar? I'll get started. Anyone who believes Rosatrice is a loveless goat and the whole Rosa\Battler connection makes no sense. Also, KNM is more obsessed with everyone else being wrong than he is being right. I'll give you that it makes sense if you only read it once and wait a year, but most of his "evidence" can be dismissed once if you truly know the story.

Also, it's hard to take it theory when some of his best evidence is a scene from the atrocious anime where Jooji rubs Shannon's tit with his arm. I will never accept anything solely from the anime as evidence.

>>11626780
Ehhh that scene happens in the VN actually.

But do you really think George, the fat tryhard passive aggressive permavirgin that he is, knows what breasts feel like?

Also,

>Anyone up for a Rosatrice vs. Shkanon flamewar?

No. God no. Please don't bring them out.

>>11626780
True theory:
Beatrice did it with magic.

Good theories:
Gohdatrice
Mariatrice
Black Battler Royale
Kinzo-Genji-Kumasawa Love Triangle
Yamainu
The Jews did it with magic.

Bad theories:
Flantrice did it with kyuu.
Boat Captain Theory
Small Bombs

Garbage theories:
Shkanontrice
Rosatrice
Kyrie went psycho.
Multiple Worlds interpretation of Quantum Field Theory

I'm still pulling for the secret subway theory.

Ryu's going to release a tip that proves it beyond any reasonable doubt, any day now. Any day now....

>>11626931
It's been almost three years dude.

Give up.

>>11626800
No, it doesn't. The closest is when Battler tries to grab her tits but stops, and George tells her to defend herself (nice job being a man). George would instantly pop a boner and lose control if he even brushed a tit (or chest, since age and gender don't seem to matter). In the anime you could practically hear grinding his arm was so tit against her tits. That was never in the VN, or even the manga if I recall correctly.

It was just fanservice. Too bad we had to get nine hours of bullshit because of it.

>>11627321
No I'm rereading Seacats, and in Episode 1 when the cousins and Shannon are heading back to the guesthouse after Beatrice's letter, Battler makes a joke on how he's jealous of George because Shannon's pressed up against his arm due to having to hold the umbrella for George (cause he's holding Maria and a creeper)

It's a very minor scene that's not given any real importance though.

>umineko
>good

Is that hack for the VN that changes the godawful sprites to the PS3 versions finished yet?

>>11627526
Screencap or it didn't happen.

Umineko is good. I like tea, and so does Bern.

>>11627532
The Chiru PS3 patch was released not too long ago.

>>11614998
Me neither.

What's your favorite disproven theory?

>>11629718

i always thought it was kyrie. she really is a murderous psychopath so im still sort of right.

>>11629736
No damn it, we've been through this ten thousand times; EP7 TP is out of character for almost everyone there. You are not right at all.

>>11629625
What a dog. No wonder Battler forgot his love of him/her/it.

>>11630098
Out of character since it's written from Eva's perspective and read from Touya's.

But anyone is going to be "out of character" when you show the truth. Someone has to be going around killing everyone when they haven't been shown doing so before. Usually, people hide the worst parts of their character.

>>11629718
I'm still very fond of Rosa-Rudolf incest theory.

>>11630113
How can you save such disgusting pics saved is beyond me.

>>11630132
That's what I want to say to the other guy.

>>11630132
>disgusting pics

It's ironic because this thread began with an R07 sprite.

So who is Yasu anyway? An imaginary friend of Shannon?

>>11630128
It may well have been Kyrie, but she sure as shit isn't "psychotic". She wouldn't have just decided to start shooting people because everyone else was doing it. She's not the sort of person who would take a insane crossdresser at his word that there was a billion on the ATM card. That would be Krauss-grade stupidity.

Personally, I believe that she was colluding with Yasu for a time, because Ange got a safe deposit box full of cash like the rest of the accomplices families, and calmly carried out any murders that were needed of her. Perhaps she convinced Battler to come along in hopes of killing him too.

>>11630151
At least it isn't an alchemist sprite.

>>11630156
Claire's daughter by Genji. Thrown from a cliff by Kinzo because he didn't like the fact that his daughter had fucked a servant. The kid fell and broke his dick, but survived. Genji raised it in secret so Kinzo wouldn't know.

>>11630157
> She wouldn't have just decided to start shooting people because everyone else was doing it. She's not the sort of person who would take a insane crossdresser at his word that there was a billion on the ATM card. That would be Krauss-grade stupidity.
Would it be stupid if there actually was?

A truly intelligent person can read the situation and arrive at the truth. Someone who trips over their own suspicion is the true idiot.

>>11630165
Explain how he disappeared one day and Shannon forgot all about him.

>>11630165
>daughter
>broke his dick

Yasu is hermaphrodite?

>>11630178
Shannon went to Rokkenjima to be a servant, but Genji didn't bring Yasu over for a couple more years and raised her in the Kumadorian. Shannon wore the one winged eagle, thus had access to it for cleaning purposes, but Yasu was too shy and would only talk to her through the door.

>>11630185
Genji and Kumasawa raised Yasu as a girl and never told her that she was born a man, nor that men and women had different genitals. Yasu is the one who started all that furniture bullshit because she hated her body.

>>11630160
They're cool! Beatrice at least. Beato alchemist sprite is well endowed and cute and beautiful.

>>11630199
Wasn't Yasu a servant who came from Fukuin?

>>11630207
No, don't be stupid. That was mere speculation by Touya who wrote episode 6.

>>11630207
She was at the orphanage for several years. Shannon (and later Kanon) told her about life outside the Kuwadorian, thus her little knowledge of the outside world was from that of a maid. The only thing else she had was fairy tales from Kumasawa. That's why sections from her perspective are either from a servant's point of view or a witch's point of view.

>>11630218
Isn't Touya the only one to write about Yasu though? For all we know he may never have existed in the first place.

>>11630222
You're right, and she didn't.

>>11630222
Any time Beatrice shows up, like at the end of EP1 when only the cousins are left alive, that's Yasu. She's the one who gives Maria the letters. Maria found Yasu the same way that Rosa found Clair, by running and finding her way to the hidden mansion. For better or worse, Maria didn't kill the occupant like Rosa did.

>>11630225
Loveless goat.

>>11630225
Or else, he does exist, but just as a personality of Shannon, who was the daughter of Kinzo thrown off a cliff.

>>11630231
Wasn't it said in red in EP1 that no one is hiding on Rokkenjima?

>>11630280
I'm pretty sure that the concept of red truth wasn't introduced in ep1. Might have been said in some other episode though. Not sure.

>>11630369
You're right, my memory is hazy.
I'm pretty sure said it is said in red at some point that only a certain number of people are on Rokkenjima and Yasu isn't amongst them, not as a phisycal person at least.

>>11630380
>>>/r/there-is-no-more-than-17-people-on-this-island

>>11630403
Wasn't she denying her own existence on the island by saying that?

Unless she doesn't consider herself as "people".

>>11630418
Nevermind that, of course that red applies to humans only.
captcha: MOTHER seedsoo

>>11630418
Witches are not people, silly.

So much Umineko newfags in here? You still do not understand?

>>11630552
Can't she read?

>>11630575
Yeah, but why do that when you can have someone else read for you?

>>11630587
But she's saying it's impossible for her to do it herself.

>>11630598
Well, it's her own work. It wouldn't be fun if she read it herself, and her goal is to break from her boredom.

all these years and we still don't have solid answers to basic questions about the plot

>>11630623
Well, it is a catbox after all.

>>11630552
I don't see how wasting 50+ hours and getting trolled benefits me...

>>11630552
So he made a mystery without an answer so he could enjoy people posting their own interpretations of the answer.

>>11630623
it was made so people could argue about it just like the goats did

too much meta

>>11630675
Stop with this nonsense.

He already confirmed in an interview there is a single answer.

>>11630730
>But I'm not telling, lel.
Seriously guys, I hope no one here paid for the damn thing.

>>11630730
Yeah, ok, I'm sure there is one. But one can reach many answers by reading the VNs, how can one be sure that the one he found is the right one?

>>11630730
That's exactly what he needs to tell you. If he said there isn't actually an answer he couldn't masturbate to your speculation anymore because you'd immediately stop.

no

Does Dlanor masturbate? What does she sound like?

Anyone else here finished Deadly Premonition?
Spoilers ahead.

R07 literally stole Deadly Premonition's ending, with Battler/York's hair turning all white and the personality switch, the metaworld ending scene, etc... everything! Fucking R07!

>>11630824
Isn't she unable to feel anything?

>>11630894
You ever see the movie Clue? (You know, "Colonel Mustard in the parlor with the candle stick", made in 1985, had three different endings shown in different theaters so no one knew who was the real culprit.)
Spoilers ahead.

Ryu literally stole the decapitation part from it. This one guy fakes his death then gets caught, and everyone else says they should have made sure he was dead, and then someone else said "How? Cut his head off?".

Fucking R07!

>>11624114
Ep 8 was damn good.

Fuck anyone who thinks otherwise.
Ep 6 had some meta shit and Erika was the only thing interesting.
Ep 8 had some damn good moments in it and the ending was beautiful.

>>11630824
Like porcelain rubbing against itself.

What are the lyrics of Happy Maria?

>>11632631
I'm going to piss on fire for magical breeding power.

>>11631559
Do you think that Erika ever uses Dlanor to replace her boyfriend in anti-fantasy?

>>11629718

My favorite one is the golden truth that everyone was in on it and it was a game to welcome Battler back.

It also follows the logic of "the best place to hide something is in plain sight", which is why there was an episode showing the truth but it was not the final episode so people wouldn't get it.

>>11632684
Dlanor is a KID. She would never do such LEWD things.

>>11632684
I don't think so.
>"I really like you!"
>"... ... ... Thank YOU?"
That doesn't sound like someone who's experienced such things before.

>>11632768
Yeah. Also I can't imagine Erika to ever confess that she likes furniture.

>>11630575
>>11630587
>>11630598
>>11630606
>>11630623

Dissociative identity disorder ........................

>>11632684
>Do you think that Erika ever uses Dlanor to replace her boyfriend in anti-fantasy?

How could she? It's anti-fantasy.

>>11632891
People can have sex with dolls!

>>11632902

How is Dlanor a doll! Bernkastel is a cat, yeah but Dlanor?

Couldn't Yasu just do anal?

>>11633413
Sex is not the only problem for that character.

Friendly reminder that you're all loveless goats who desecrate the dead in a vain quest for a truth that benefits no one and Ryukishi hates you.

>>11633653
Beatrice is not dead.

The lifes in this body are soooo saddddd. Especially Battler & Beatrice knew at the end of EP8 what would happen if they leave the island. But they still did, and it happened what they were afraid for.

Battler got pushed into the water, since then he has this phobia. The other body besides Battler with a new personality bought a hous of that gold ingot and found Battlers body with amnesia. They met at the end, even though it the right personalities didn't met, but in the last scene of the magic ending they Battler and Beatrice meet each other agian thanks to Ange. Brilliant and so sad and happy at once. Nice ending if you can see it.

>>11632973
She's made out of porcelain and is repeatedly referred to as a murder doll. This leads some (read: anyone who isn't a goat) to believe that her vessel is a doll that (Tohya thinks) Erika owned. Cornelia and Gertrude probably aren't. The nips seem to associate Gertrude with guardrail, but I don't really know why.

>>11634700
Go back to tumblr.

>>11634724

I don't like Tumblr, i don't have there anything to go back to

>>11634772
Where have you been this whole time then?

>>11634715

And what about the doll in Beatrices room?

>>11634780

Somewhere else on the internet.

Could Dlanor beat up the Rozen Maidens?

>>11634856
No because she's not real. I could and would, but should?

>>11630552
You have no idea. Last time there was some people discovering that the Chiester were guns. It was painful to read.

No wonder why so many anons are Rosatrice fags. I keep forgetting how stupid and out of touch one can be.

>>11634927

Oh yeah i've read that with the Chiesters/Winchesters.

Rosatrice is obviously bullshit, but she still has a big role wich i still haven't fully discovered.

>>11634927
Chiestas are bunnies from Maria's forest marching band. They were never in Beato's stories, so it was probably Battler who saw her playing with them on the island and corrupted them into killing machines.

>>11635034
So bernkastled is Ikuko's corrupted pussy?

>>11635063
She liked Auaurora's pussy.

>>11635034
>They were never in Beato's stories,

They were. You forgot Marias and Beatrices friendship? Beatrice knew of Marias "friends" and brought them to life in Beatrices stories.

>>11635084
Just like she did to Sakutarou.

>>11635080
>barbed tongue

>>11633564
I just noticed, they don't have the same eyes.

>>11635161
So what. This Beatrice is a fantasy character from the portrait. You forgot that?

>>11635084
Their first appearance was in EP3, when Toyha took over.

>>11635238
She isn't a fantasy character, she's the first Beatrice.

>>11635294
The first Beatrice is dead. So you want to tell me that this Beatrice you see there is real and not a personality created by the person who wanted his/her new personality Beatrice to love Battler?

>>11635243
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Tohya_Hachijo%3F

Yes, you know who she is right?

>>11635307
Imagine those two fingers gently going up your ass and massaging your prostate while she tells you in her voice "Cum quickly, children of man".

>>11635312

I'm not into men/traps. But other else it would be nice though. But not with this charakter because my bond to this charakter is already too strong.

Related to picture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN3lQ2FaU-8

>>11635307
No, Ikuko is not Beatrice. If Yasu (or Ange or Maria for that matter) gets a happy end then the story is meaningless. I will not allow this discussion to continue.

>>11635326
They are not the same Person. But they have the same body. There are enough references to that. You did not understand the Magic Ending on the boat and in that building wich Ange has build. She did build it for one special reason.

And there is not a happy ending, it is half-bad/happy.

And it is not meaningless, why should it be.

>>11635380
You german or something?

>>11635380
No, that's stupid. Yasu is completely unrelated to Ikuko. I am not debating this, I am informing you that you are wrong.

>>11629718
Moon-chan

>>11630623
Ask me any questions about the plot and I'll answer them.

>>11635391
>I am informing you that you are wrong.

I understand you, but can you proof me that? I can give you evidence for my statements.

>>11635387
>You german or something?

Yes, is my english that bad so you can see through it?

>>11635408
Is Lambda a cake or a drawing of a cake?

>>11635424
She's a personification of a concept of people succeeding after hard work, or a fictional character written as such.

Or both.

She has no connection to any cake.

>>11635424
>>11635428

Lambdadelta = Satoko

Satoko = A friend of Ikuko somehow. I don't know how.

>>11635410
>I can give you evidence for my statements.
Please do.

>>11635441

Anyone who've read Higurashi knows that already

>>11635441
Lambda doesn't have any connection to Satoko though.

remember when /jp/ was good?

me neither.

>>11635454
There was a week after it was made.

>>11635441
Ikuko = Featherine = Adult Hanyuu
Auau is Rika's aunt and Hanyuu's mother. Rika and Satoko visit and fuck up the stories and tease Tohya until he tries to kill himself.

That should be a good enough explanation.

>>11635452
Except her personality and mannerisms. Satoko did say she'd be an elegant, refined lady when she grew up.

I'm still angry at Ryu for that whole "34 was just a red herring lol" thing too.

>>11635504
>I'm still angry at Ryu for that whole "34 was just a red herring lol" thing too.
Why? Like most fantasy characters, Lambda is ultimately important. Her character only serves a dumb metaphor nobody cares about.

>>11635504
Eh it is as you said Lambda's direct persona connections to any Higurashi character are red herrings, she's a far older, and more powerful, being.

>>11635515
I meant ultimately unimportant.

>>11635519
But that's silly. The vast majority of the plot we get is in the "magic" world of witches that Battler gets involved with. Lambda may in one sense be symbolic, but in other ways she's an important character as part of the story.

>>11635523
All she does is take part in a bunch of fantasy scenes that serve as dumb metaphors nobody cares about.

>>11635531
Except that Umineko treats the "magic scenes" on the game board as something different then the world the players of said game are one. Beatrice can not be a real witch while still being the Game Master and Golden Witch in he higher world.

The players of the game are the main characters, the plot is driven around them. The "real world" stories of the game board are meant to advance them.

>>11635443 [1/3]

I don't have the screenshots i need to show you, but >>11630552 posted one of the pictures i would show you. She tells you she has a fatal illness but she never tells you what she has, okay.

But it is written in the VN, that she uses a memory device. Her "Horns" resembles the memory device. The horns had a crack at a time in text. And it was said her memory device was once broken, so she couldn't be "Ikuko" for a long time. Sadly i don't have the screenshots for that and it is too hard to find them now. I would look into the script tomorow though. Maybe i'll find the lines.

Well, that memory device is a good method for DID to maintain a personality as much as possible, and it was stated that she got problems and/or was weird if she lost her memory device for a while.

By the way, Ikuko has a cat. She calls her Bern, and it is the real form of Bernkastel. Bernkastel was Ikuko's Miko. A cat can't obviously be a real miko for ikuko but that is another thing and i don't want to go too deep into this point now.

I'll start to tell you what happened in the magic ending.

Battler and Beatrice wanted to leave the island on a boat with an gold ingot. Did you see how Battler wasn't afraid of the water? He usally was so scared in all other Boat moments because of his phobia.

Well he brought Beatrice with him even though she didn't really wanted to because Beatrice is a Witch of the island and she just can "exist" on the island. This was told a few times before in the story. Battler was very much aware of that, so was beatrice. But he still took her, and she let herself be taken by him.

So they were on the boat, talking, trying to forget about that "Beatrice can only exist on the island thing" even though Beatrice clearly knows that won't help. They had some romantic moments and a kiss.

>>11635443 [2/3]

He closed his eyes again so she can kiss him, but after he opened his eyes beatrice was gone. But that's where MAGIC begins in the storytelling. He jumped into the water because he Beatrice just could be in the water, where else of course? A very romantic magic scene appears.

But now the mystery part of this scene; Battler opens his eyes and there was the other person, it was not Beatrice anymore. It was another personality, probably a new one. How did battler fall into the water? I would say he got pushed into the water because the new personality was afraid and in panic, that can of course happen if you have DID.

So that's where Battler fell into the water and he almost died. Being swept away in the water he was found by ikuko (thats what ikuko told you). Battler has amnesia.

But what did the other personality after he/she pushed battler into the water? Well that person made that gold ingot into money, bought a house and started to write some novels from where she came. The reason is the person she found and ange. How could she make that gold ingot into money? Beatrice had the contacts, so this personality or maybe "Ikuko" knew about the contacts as it seems, this is nothing new for DID either. So it is possible.

Ikuko found Amnesia Battler, and maybe she knew already who he was. She wrote stories so he can read them and find out about beatrice. You could call it something like a Meta World.

As they were small, Shannon and Battler liked mystery novels very much, and they wanted to write and read and argument about these in the future. So her wish was fullfilled you could say.

I hope you can follow me, it's getting somehow complicated what i'm writing about and i guess my english sucks a little too much.

>>11635443 [3/3]

The last scene in Ange's orphanage. Ange wanted to invite Ikuko and Amnesia battler for a last time. She had a plan. As you know, Beatrice can only exist on the island on rokkenjima, Ikuko was never there.

Ange made the orphanage look frome the inside like on rokkenjime from the inside, so she probably knew what she was doing. And as Amnesia Battler was in this room, he recocnized everything, and he met Beatrice. Ikuko probably recocnized everything too, so she met again at the end of the story, in a damn broken complicated half-happy/bad ending.

Picture is related too.

The reason for Kanon and Shannon's greyish/colorless color is obious i think. They had a discussion about color, the ocean, being furniture, being not complete, being not a full person and so go on.

>>11635515
>>11635519
>Lambda is ultimately unimportant.

Wrong, she knows everything about umineko thanks to Ikuko, she has strong connections to Ikuko and her cat Bern. But why is Ikuko letting this "Lamda" know everything? I mean she can't be just anybody right?

Lambda has Satoko personalities, has the lookings and name of Miyo Takano/34, but who is this person exactly and what does she exactly mean in umineko? I want to know

>>11635711
She's a witch, duh

>>11635711
Cool pic.

>>11635833
Bernkastel too, but she is Ikukos cat, duh.

>>11635875
Who says a cat can't become a witch?

>>11635883
No one said anything against it. Bern is her cat, and she is a Witch too.

>>11634781
That's a figure of how Yasu really looks like.

>>11635957
Why do you think that?

>>11635981
Because in EP 7, that's the only thing that looks remotely similar to Yasu, or at least according to the data we got until now about her (Manga sorta confirms this, with Yasu having long blonde hair). I mean, it's a doll of a blonde servant, and it was used by her specifically, in the VIP room in the mansion no less.

As to why there is a doll that looks like Yasu, well, I have no clue. I think of it as an easter egg, nothing more. Perhaps there's an explanation for it.
Sadly I can't find the PS3 picture of the doll.

>>11636016
I haven't seen the PS3 version of that doll yet, but i will look into it.

This doll is a sign. "This is Beatrices/Yasus room." That's what they want to tell us.

>>11635515
>>11635519
>>11635711
Read Lambda's diary.

Lambda is important as she is the one who creates the conditions needed for the setting of the gameboards.

She gives a wish to a person who later creates the setting inside the gameboard of both Higurashi and Umineko.
She knows the truth because she helped create the story itself.

It's why she's important as the actual player behind Beatrice and the referee between Beatrice and Bernkastel.
Much like Higurashi, Umineko is a game between Bernkastel and Lambda.

Ikuko has nothing to do with it. Featherine is just interested in the game for her own curiosity even though she helped create the world.

It's sad that no one cares about Lambda since she's an insanely important element to the creation of the games.

Without Lambda, there would not be Umineko or Higurashi.
Though we don't essentially know what or when Lambda gave her wish to whomever asked to become a witch.

Ikuko is not "just" interested. She is one of the persons behind Beatrice. Lambda heller that Person writing stories. That's why Lambda knows everything.

>>11635675
>>11635667
>>11635661
All of that is just wishful thinking and assumptions and is not backed by any proof.

Your interpretation of the boat scene is as valid as saying that battler was on the boat alone talking to his imaginary waifu, suddenly a dog dressed as batman came on a surf table and pushed him out. The rest falls apart by itself.

>>11637819

We are talking about Umineko. Read it. Maybe you'll like it.

>>11637819

It's not wishful thinking. You just don't understand. There is more foreshadowing and more things you need to "understand". It just makes sense and it is logical. Not a wishful thinking.

Or do you think alot of facts are just for fun and for nothing?

>>11637819

Explain the Magic Ending to me then. What does it mean. What did ange and why did she that, what about Battler and Beatrice. Why were they in the orphanage even though they don't exist as persons anymore. And Beatrice her body even isn't in the orphanage.

>>11635675

Picture fixed a little

>>11637854
The last badge is telling me "I AM THE FINAL FORM".

I never noticed this

>>11637854
Poor Shkanon. I wish they'll be okay.

>>11637843
Beatrice and the rest of Battler's family and loved ones took Battler to the Golden Land/Heaven duh.

>>11638055

lol, duh

>>11637843
The sight of the dinner room replica triggered Tohya's illness again and he died on the spot. That is "going to the Golden Land", where everyone else, Beato (Yasu) included, were already (dead).

Yeah, Ange accidentally her brother, she probably commited sudoku afterwards.

>>11637854
If Ikuko is Yasu then she isn't capable of love.

>>11638479
Why not. She has her memory device wich is helping her in life.

>>11638479
Lion also never had DID problems.

>>11630642
You mean, getting trolled by your self doesn't benifit you right? Because you can't even accept you aren't understanding anything. Just blame ryukishi. It's easier for people like you.

Batman arrives

>>11638716
I never got this meme.

>>11638721
She knows karate and saves the day?

>>11638514
Someone doesn't understand the furniture complex.

>>11638803
furniture complex? don't make some random things up

>>11638721
You really don't understand the Batman/Joker situation in EP7?

>>11638716
Joker is back again. Rokkenjima isn't safe anymore.

>>11638721
Eva "accidentally" survives the whole incident when she goes to see a secret batman base located in Kuwadorian. Everyone dies because Yasu forgot about the bomb.

Does Golden magic have any relationship to the Golden ratio?

>>11642848
Golden radio? Well, yeah.

>>11638882
Lack of trigger discipline is inexcusable!

0/10, would not operate with.

It's amazing what a worthless faggot that Hideyoshi is. He's supposed to be a badass smuggler taking out Americandy soldiers to steal their food and selling it on the black market like he's a motherfucking Sonozaki who simply gives zero shits, but he invariably ends up getting shot in the fucking face.

Unless, of course, he is a killer.

He lies about his accent (showing him to be dishonest), the type of person who would risk <death by hanging> for money, and he somehow can keep the Endless Bitch, Ushiromiya Eva in line. Is it really so much of a stretch that he could stare at Maria down the barrel of a gun and smirk as he squeezed the trigger?

Oh no, that would be absurd. It's the schizophrenic eunuch of course.

>>11614998
I see manga volumes form Yen Press now on shelves at the book store, but there are two huge volumes for each character path/arch, yet the covers don't say who or which volume belongs to each character arch/path.

It's really confusing as a consumer.

>>11642907
What if that whiny faggot that Ooishi caught but was forced by the construction manager to let go free was Hideyoshi?

problem /jp/ ?

>>11644557
Maria wouldn't cheat on Sakutaro!

>>11644567

How many Touhous could Bern and Lambda beat up?

>>11645668
Sorry, Gensokyo already has manipulators of fate and luck, so they can't exist there, just like witch hunters have to take the form of goats to appear on Rokkenjima. Even Marisa could only hold her form for long enough for Tsurupettan to play before reverting to her boring vessel, and that wasn't even on the island. Sadly, this is the case of most of the fantasy Uminekos.

I'd like a kakera where the mystery cast gets prey'd upon by youkai though. Rumia could lure Jooji in with her voluptuous body and eat his guts while he's still alive. Battler would love that crime scene! Maybe he can be served in meta too. I'd imagine a menu of Angeburger, Baked Maria with apples, and tea gets old after a while.

>>11645668
How many 2hus could auau beat up?

>>11638878
Hint: Shannon and Kanon call themselves "furniture" for a reason.

>>11648340
They're figments of someone's imagination that can be killed and resurrected at will, like the stakes or something?

>>11649137
Because that one person suffered such a horrible injury when flung off a cliff that their body can't physically have sex ("Furniture can not love") and oh yeah the injury was such that she was raised as a girl even though biologically she's male.

>>11649280
That was God punishing him for being a disgusting homo in kakera #2,578,917.

>>11649297
Kakera don't exist and neither does God.

>>11649328
>*tips fedora*

>>11649328
You can't say that in Red faggot.

How does Bern move through the fragments? Does she do each one after the other like Rika did, or can she do something like split her consciousness to search many at once, then merge back into one?

>>11649328
Kakera definitely exist in Higurashi and Umineko takes place in the same universe.

Why are Umineko fans such edgy atheists?

>>11651695
That's only if you accept the fantasy interpretation of Higurashi and reject all of the mystery of Umineko.

>>11651695
>Why are Umineko fans such edgy atheists?
Go watch KnownNoMore's videos. He's the Rosatrice guy, but in his other videos, he takes your precious God, shoves him up his ass, and pukes him up. This is your chance to become enlightened. You don't need a sky daddy to explain the universe any more than you need stupid Yasu to explain Umineko.

>>11651723
I can't tell if you're being ironic or not...

>>11651730
Do you want me to be?

>>11651723
I watched some of them just to hear his cute voice.

>>11651822
Yeah... I mean, I'm not some sort of no-good-take-it-up-the-ass-queer or anything, but his voice is kinda dreamy, in a totally platonic sort of way (but the sort of platonic where you wouldn't mind cuddling).

Too bad that his theory is shit.

And while we're on Rosatrice, in the first two EPs, Rosa brings tea for Natsuhi and Kumasawa. The tea that Eva demanded be checked for poison with silver. Why didn't he point that out in his video? He missed a lot of things and focused on a bunch of nonsense.

>>11652111
Sounds pretty gay.

>>11652178
What's going on here?

>>11652111
Because his theory is nonsense.

>>11652290
As opposed to one person pretending to be two for years with no one noticing?

>>11652303
Gengi, Nanjo and Kumasawa knew, they were playing along.

Everyone other than Krauss, Natsuhi and Jessica were in the island only a handful of times, it's understandable they didn't notice.

Gohda is too new and too pure to notice.

Krauss and Natsuhi wouldn't notice as they don't care enough about plebs.

Jessica is a bit of a blockhead so she didn't notice either.

>>11653210
>Gohda is too new and too pure to notice.
That sure is a polite way to say stupid.

>Gengi, Nanjo and Kumasawa knew, they were playing along.
Kumasawa was the only one playing along. Genji is a robot. Nanjo is evil and greedy.

Let's talk about Nanjo. It's pretty clear that there wasn't a fight over the gold where Kinzo and Bice hid till the end on that island, but Kinzo actively killing for the gold. Plus that whole "I'm so sad Kinzo, I want to die." "No, Beatrice, I shall kidnap you and keep you forever!" was so awkward it hurt. More likely is that he did outright kidnap her and Nanjo helped him do it, then he kept her on the island and did a bunch of kinky shit. Perhaps they took turns raping her while Genji fapped in the corner. Well, he probably didn't do anything like that, but it wasn't all roses and golden butterflies either. It's basically in line with everything else Nanjo did, from castrating infants to being and accomplice in serial murder.

>>11653350
Ryukishi has said that he would absolutely not lie about the relationships between characters though, so we can take Kinzo's and Bice's love as real.

Granted, it's pretty clear that Kinzo set up that massacre, but I don't think he would ever have done anything to hurt Bice.

But yeah Dr. Nanjo is really shady

>>11653464
>Ryukishi has said that he would absolutely not lie about the relationships between characters though
I'm not trying to call you a liar, but do you have a source? I don't remember that in the interview.

>>11653500
If he said it or not, this must be a fact.

>>11653500
I think it was a translated blog post, I can't remember where I found it.

But really, Umineko is a story in which your asked to solve an emotional mystery, figuring out why people do things and what made them do it. Lying about their relationships ruins that.

Also if he did lie about character relationships in fantasy scenes, they truly have no point. As the fantasy scenes, while not literally true, are intended to reveal truths about the characters nevertheless.

>>11653700

What do you think about >>11635661 >>11635667 >>11635675

?

>>11653210
That, and if anything goes by, episode 2 and 7 explain that Kanon is a rare sight. He is here only when Yasu feels that he is absolutely needed (because he's actually asked for), and that's probably one week every other month. It is easy to hide yourself when you interact with people three weeks per year.

About him, this persona was probably made on the spot by Yasu when talking with Jessica ('Hey I've a good cute little brother he's on the staff!'). So many teens create false friends when dealing with the exact same situation. Then Jessica wanted to meet him and things degenerated from here. Instead of admitting her 'friend' didn't exist, she did a very stupid thing to not be called a liar.

Teenagers lie all the time. Most of them would rather die than admit having lied. Back in the days, one of my friend created a big brother who didn't exist. He would have disguised himself rather than be discovered.

From my experience and knowledge of teen psychology, the whole Kanon personality is very, very plausible. Add to that that no grownup care about him, and the deception could have continued for years.

>>11653816
Ikokutrice is a very, very common theory with solid ground and clear arguments, though nothing is certain. Believing in it is a matter of personal choice by this point.

Now, the specifics of this Ikukotrice theory seem far fetched. There appear to be a clear incomprehension of what the Beatrice/Shannon/Kanon personalities entail. Arguing that Yasu had a multiple personality disorder is not something I would try to uphold in this day and age, when most people think that the correct reading of the mystery clearly points otherwise.

>>11653847
Well, you have to know how DID works. You need to see very good examples. I don't think you know enough about that. If you would, you probably wouldn't think like that if you do.

>>11653464
>>11653700
I'm not challenging the relationship as shown in which they loved each other. She definitely did love him before the massacre, but after he betrayed the Japs and killed her Italian friends, was she so in love with him then? He wasn't the meek loser she had fallen in love with, he was a cold killer who slaughtered (or caused to be slaughtered at the very least) everyone she knew. She doesn't want to keep living and instead of comforting her, he says he'll kidnap her while she pleads to be let go. This seems dissonant with the rest of flashback and I can't accept that it isn't heavily distorted.

I think that there is strong evidence for this in Kinzo's outburst while doing his sobbing-before-the-portrait routine in EP1?, where he instantly changes from "OH BEATORICHI!" to "YOU FUCKING WHORE I OWN EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU FROM YOUR HAIR TO YOUR TOES" then back to "OH BEATRICE I'M SO SORRY JUST LET ME SEE A SMILE". And he didn't handle rejection well with his daughter either. We see her politely rejecting him by saying that she couldn't return his feelings, but the euphemisms that describe his actions are anything polite. "He stole her chastity" pretty obviously means rape.

>>11653464
>But yeah Dr. Nanjo is really shady
Don't you mean sketchy?

>>11654540

wtf are you talking..

>>11654540
> She definitely did love him before the massacre, but after he betrayed the Japs and killed her Italian friends, was she so in love with him then?

There really isn't any indication that she knew Kinzo was responsible though.

>>11655212
Of course Kinzo wouldn't put that in his story.

Is Bern a heterosexual virgin?

>>11655561
Not in the slightest.

>>11655561
She's close to omnipotent, a BDSM enthusiast and a dom. Given the same premises, would you be a heterosexual virgin anon?

>>11656424
You can always progress in a backwards direction.

>>11656424
>>11656442
In all serious though, Higurashi is vastly superior.

>>11656437
She has probably experienced every single physical sensation to it's fullest in her boredom.

>>11656442
isn't that called a regress though?

>>11656424
>I'm going to post this in every umineko thread

Stop, it's ridiculous.

>>11656424
The problem is the reader (you), not the writer.

>>11656547
>Umineko drones actually say shit like this

>>11656578
It's adorable how you can't understand anything. You sound like a virgin.

>>11656599
>You sound like a virgin.
>/jp/

>>11656578
Look at this, my friends.

This is the typical Higurashi anime-only fag who has never read Umineko and it's frustrated that people only ever discuss Umineko, while Higurashi only gets shitty uguu~ waifu and pedo rika autism threads because it has nothing to discuss.

Too bad, loser.

>>11656609
I never watched these shitty anime adaptations and like Higurashi and Umineko. If you don't understand umineko like i think people should, i ask myself if they even understand Higurashi EP1 after thinking Umineko is a shitty written VN.

One scientist launched a Bern through one small hole. The dead meat that exited the hole was cat meat. But another scientist launched a Bern through two small holes, and the dead meat was undoubtedly witch meat. Thus it was without doubt scientifically proven that Bern is in a witch-cat superposed state.

This state was henceforth called the Bernkastel-Kues witch-cat duality.

>>11656609
>>11656424
>>11654540
Look at these shitposts.

>>11637854
This is a good evidence for Yasu/Beatrice/Shannon/Kanon/Ikuko/DID

Imaginary friends are something different though. Like Sakutarou, the Winchesters, Ikukos cat and such things.

It's bad enough that Kanon gets bullied by his own imaginary friend, but Battler gets bullied some one else's imaginary friend. That's much sadder than anything that happened to Ange, Maria, Yasu or any of the other crybabies combined.

>>11659193
Kanon has no imaginary friends...

>>11659871
Kanon is the imaginary friend.

>>11659193
Umineko is a cautionary tale of the dangers of tulpas. They may easy the pain at first, but pretty soon they're cackling and convincing you that the way to won someone's heart IAA top murder their family.

Tulpas: not even once.

>>11660328
What does IAA mean?

Holy shit, was no one in this thread around two years ago? I'm just sitting here dumbfounded at all of these retarded theories that we already worked through disproving back when episode 8 came out. If you honestly don't understand Umineko, you're one dense motherfucker.

>>11660408
What do you believe then in short?

Besides, my reaction was the same as i discovered this thread.

>>11660408
What are you talking about?

>>11660406
It's some kind of reddit thing where people ask questions and the thread maker blogs about them

>>11660408
I was around the whole time and I still don't understand it. After all, after all this time, people just keep spouting all kinds of nonsense because the story is vague enough to give them leeway.

Besides, when episode 8 came out hardly anyone on /jp/ had properly read it, with stuff like "lambda is a cake" being commonplace. By the time it was translated a year later, everything had died down.

Today, people have just had plenty of time to swallow whatever popular theories there are around where they frequent, but it's not like you can confirm any of those things as true.

>>11660761
>the story is vague enough to give them leeway.

No it isn't.

Umineko when it first was released:

X + X = 2

Umineko by the time Chiru ends

1 + X = 2

>>11660780
Go ahead and post the truth of everything with every point perfectly supported with irrefutable evidence so there can be absolutely no doubt that you're right. Of course, irrefutable evidence barely exists in Umineko to begin with, so there's no way you can do that.

Likely, all you "understand" is a popular theory that can't be proved or disproved.

>>11660786

There's no "irrefutable evidence" that the "X" in "1 + X = 2" is actually "1" but it's pretty obvious.

>>11660790
If you want to compare the answer to Umineko to a solvable equation then you had better be prepared to put forward irrefutable evidence, because that's what if you implies. If you can't, then don't.

>>11660797
>because that's what if you implies
because that's what it implies

I mangled that.

too bad the dude who was actually good at writing died

>>11635661
>>11635667
>>11635675
>>11637854

Is pretty much right but it doesn't cover anything about Rosa and George. Marias role isn't mentioned much either.

But he told you about the main thing in umineko wich is great. People still ignore it.

It's not made for most socially weak experienced virgins.

>>11660797
I'm not the one who thought up that metaphor, the author is. So yes, it is in fact comparable to that. It is absolutely solvable

We know everything important about what happened before the incident (Yasu and her complex issues, the broken Ushiromiya adults, Kinzo's sins, etc.) and we know the result (Everyone but Eva and Battler ended up dead that day, Eva wrote what happened in a diary but refused to tell Ange for her sake, later message bottles written by Yasu were discovered, and Tohya AKA Battler supplemented them with his own stories). It's pretty easy to figure out what the actual incident was from that.

>>11660838
BT was never a writer though.

>>11660846
I don't see what Rosa and George have to do with that guy's theory that Ikkuo is Yasu.

Count George be Ikuko?

>>11614998
My least favorite was EP 4, and my favorite was actually EP 6. I can't wait for the next WTC

Wow my thread is still alive.

>>11662824
Of course it did. This is a slow board. Only a someone who is not a regular here would be surprised by this

>>11663268
Why is there a lemon? Take it out please.

>>11663285
The lemon is a metaphor for a /jp/sie in a board full of (choco) crossies.

>>11663372
Don't you mean chock full?

There was no family meeting. It was the annual family orgy.

>>11660872
What would Umineko be like if BT was still alive?

>>11666296
We would have gotten the real answer instead of the Shkanon "truth" Ry07 came up with.

Beatrice didn't actually exist. She was just a hallucination caused by Kinzo consuming massive amounts of absynth. Genji would never disillusion his master and Nanjo was secretly carrying gold out the door.

>>11666335
The whole tragedy could have been avoided if only Kinzo had chosen to smoke weed everyday instead of drowning his sorrows in pickled wormwood.

>>11666302
Don't be dumb. It's painfully obvious that Shannon and Kanon being the same person and the culprit was planned from the start.

>>11668952

Same person - yes
Culprit - possibly not?

Kanon, Shannon, and Genji all being the same person is not incompatible with Gohdatrice.

>>11668952
Shannon/Kanon/Yasu prepared a murder mystery GAME during prime. She was only the murderer during her tales. After that it went downhill with the adults killing each other.
Determining who truly started those murders and how they ended is part of the mystery that still needs to be answered by a lot of people. The only hint that we know so far is that all of the games have bits of the truth lying behind the prime tragedy.