/jp/ - Otaku Culture

does it matter?

>>11613751
Well met.

>>11613808
:^)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuQdIIjgr5c

Perfume is very gangster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZXrRCqj_0

>>11613882
What...?

Is this real?

>>11613919
Yeah, they've danced to that song a few times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fz9qphzf7w

>>11613924
>>11613882
Please stop

>>11613882
>>11613924
My opinion on Perfume has gone down ;_;

>>11613926
>>11613927
What's wrong?

What are some of your favorite songs?

I like ナチュラルに恋して, it never gets old.

>>11613944
That's a really good one, I like their new one ふりかえるといるよ

i love them! i want to lick their skin.

>>11613927
They started out as a "B-girl" group, imitating black culture.

>>11613944
I like Spice and FAKE IT, even though the intro makes my ears bleed sometimes.

>>11613944
Haven't listened much to their newer stuff, but I really like Plastic Smile and Dream Fighter. Chocolate Disco is also hilariously catchy for some reason...

>>11613944
My Color and Laser beaaamu

Far from OTAKU.

Otakuest music I can think now is Denpa and groups like ave;new which center around visual novel/eroge music.

>>11613882
>>11613924
I still can't believe this shit is actually real.

>>11614182
am i otaku?

I'd splash my perfume all over their faces...

>>11614232
And growing into adulthood.

>>11614227
Is this the power of makeup?

>>11614232
no, it's the power of age advancement.

>>11614234
>>11614235
So you're saying girls get prettier and cuter when they're old?

>>11614235
Well, the top picture was probably taken near their debut, which was 1999. The bottom photo was taken this year. I'd say people's faces tend to change over the span of 14 years.

>>11613882
This was when they were nobodies, right?

Jesus this whole thread has just ruined my day. Why perfume? WHY?!

>>11614249
Yeah. It was 10 years ago.

>>11614133
レ~ザ~ビ~ム~！

I also liked Voice and ねえ quite a lot since their dances in those videos are really cute/

>>11614266
Are you referring to the group's past? If you weren't aware of it, then you may not know shit about Perfume.

It's pop, but I like it.

>>11614266
Once upon a time Perfume was indie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPaYL4uIuAU

>>11613732
Oh they're still around?

>>11614789
What the f*** is that supposed to mean?

Does nakata also do the mastering of everything he produces?

>>11614833
apparently.

>>11614240
bell curve, etc.

Lip-sync shitty dance idol group.

Does anyone have the video where it shows Kashiyuka is a JoJo fan and they try doing the poses as well?

>>11615195
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8u-J63Qh2E

>>11615065
zisu

>>11615259
thank you

>>11613944
コンピューターシティ、エレクトロ・ワールド、ワンルーム・ディスコ、love the world, Secret Secret, Magic of Love

>>11615259
I will try doing that the next time I try to wear something clean and professional looking.

do they live together in a "dorm"?
are they so close that their cycle falls on the same day/week or is their relationship strictly business?

i like perfume they arent the cutest but they got decent music

>>11619828
that looks like the shepherd's bush empire. if so, i have been there.

>>11613882
>>11613924
I-...Is there more I should know about Perfume?

>>11618861
Does that really happen with the cycle if women are very close?

>>11621114
Are you seriously asking this

>>11621167
I'm not a clever man

>>11621167
Not him but I'm curious too.

>>11621114
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_synchrony

>>11621188

>>11621188
>After the initial studies, several papers were published reporting methodological flaws in studies reporting menstrual synchrony including McClintock's study. In addition, other studies were published that failed to find synchrony. The proposed mechanisms of have also received scientific criticism. A recent review of menstrual synchrony concluded that menstrual synchrony is doubtful

>>11621206
This is why women shouldn't be allowed to conduct studies.

I bet all the volunteers they found started their periods at the same time anyway, LOL.

>>11621188
Imagine if you hung out with your friends, suddenly one guy got a boner and then everyone in the group has a boner

>>11622411
Nigga dats gay

>>11622411
hot

perfume is cool but I like other japanese bands more

>>11622723
For example?

>>11622747
IOSYS

>>11622747
椎名林檎
東京事変
BUMP OF CHICKEN
惑星アブノーマル
浜田マロン

These are my favorites

>>11622754

>>11622756

Copypasting their name in Japanese won't make you look more cultured.

>>11622792
You don't have IME? Silly n00b

Is this the same group? If so, how old are they now? If not, who are they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sh8QrXx9WM

>>11622817
they are 25 now I think

Google it you fucker

>>11624279
Yeah, I should google "Perfume". Great idea.

>>11624402
You would google something like perfume jpop

Quit being a retard and use common sense.

>>11624474
Common sense would be to ask about perfume in a perfume thread, since I thought the point was to discuss perfume and not just post pics of 3d.

>>11614227

They had their teeth fixed at the least wouldn't
surprise me if they had other work done also.

>>11613996
if whites imitating black culture are wiggers, what are japanese? jiggers?

>>11625652
Silly anon, a jigger is something you use for making mixed drinks.

They're racists.

I love Perfume more than anything else in life but I dislike 99% of their western fanbase.

>>11624402
heh

>>11613732
I can't even tell if they can sing well or not. Their voices are too processed.

>>11626409
Still doesn't make you japanese.

>>11625533
It's pretty normal to fix your teeth even if you are a normal person. What's the deal with it.

>>11626687
Hear something where they were young. They can sing.

>>11626687
It's nakata and electro-pop, what do you expect

>>11626679
>Joogle

I hope you realize they tailor those results to your weeb search patterns.

>>11626711
Even more of a reason to just search for Perfume, then!

>>11625533
>They had their teeth fixed

Crooked teeth are considered moe, so no

>surprise me if they had other work done also

This isn't Korea

>>11627008
That pictures makes them look so german.

>>11627018
Those clever Japs

>>11613882
wow they look so young here


>>11613944
great taste anon, thats my favorite Perfume song too!

if I had to pick a favorite off their new album it would probably be 1mm or daijobanai

nocchi is my favorite
I would love her tenderly

>>11627008
>Crooked teeth are considered moe, so no
"I read an article about yaeba once"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYS7NEQLHng

Announcing a new single like a day after their CD was released, fantastic

Why was Level 3 and JPN so shitty?

I only remember 1mm being good

It seems like they'll never match edge (⊿-mix), love the world, Dream Fighter, plastic smile etc ever again

even tracks that seem to be good just aren't as good as they could be

it seems like yasutaku is focusing on kyarypamyupamu, and even then only on her singles. even his work on capsule isn't very good these days

>>11627914
burn out.

>>11621211
its legit.
fucking weirdest thing ever

>>11613732
babby's first wangchoy erektruoopoopu

>>11628901
it's not like there's anything better mate

http://enjp.blouinartinfo.com/news/story/983020/interview-perfume-on-expressionless-pop-and-gay-fans

>And there were people who made gifts for us — tissue cases made from Japanese paper, for example. One particular fan said, ‘a Japanese friend gave it to me, but I want you to have it.’ I was like, ‘isn’t it a reverse import!?’ I can buy something like that anytime, but I guess for that person it was something very special. I answered a bit awkwardly, ‘tha…thank you,’” says A-Chan.


per, for example. One particular fan said, ‘a Japanese friend gave it to me, but I want you to have it.’ I was like, ‘isn’t it a reverse import!?’ I can buy something like that anytime, but I guess for that person it was something very special. I answered a bit awkwardly, ‘tha…thank you,’” says A-Chan.

The group also discovered that their fan base demographic in European countries was somewhat different to Japan, where the r
- See more at: http://enjp.blouinartinfo.com/news/story/983020/interview-perfume-on-expressionless-pop-and-gay-fans#sthash.6AAMsJB4.dpuf

http://enjp.blouinartinfo.com/news/story/983020/interview-perfume-on-expressionless-pop-and-gay-fans

>And there were people who made gifts for us — tissue cases made from Japanese paper, for example. One particular fan said, ‘a Japanese friend gave it to me, but I want you to have it.’ I was like, ‘isn’t it a reverse import!?’ I can buy something like that anytime, but I guess for that person it was something very special. I answered a bit awkwardly, ‘tha…thank you,’” says A-Chan.

>>11629222
> “Overseas, there were more men than women, and also people who were neither!” says A-Chan. “A gay couple came to our singing session and one of the guys introduced to us his ‘girlfriend.’ But the guy gave me a huge rose saying, ‘I love you so much! – I also love him (a guy), which means I like guys, but because I love you so much he doesn’t believe I like guys! Tell him something to convince him that I like guys!’ and I was like, ‘what in the world am I supposed to say to that!’ A lot of extraordinary things happened.”

>>11629233

>>11629233
Welcome to the western world of 2013

>>11627914
Nakata is worn out and busted and Perfume have been nothing but easy media cash-ins since ナチュラルに恋して

>>11629376
ナチュラルに恋してis one of Perfume's most uninspired songs of the last 5 years. There have been plenty of better, more interesting songs since.

i wish i could marry nocchi

>>11613944
NIGHT FLIGHT, Zero Gravity, and 1mm.
For some reason I also like Take Me Take Me and Spending All My Time even though the lyrics are repetitive as hell.

>>11633704
They'll have very nice legs

>>11613944
One room disco, Baby crushing love, Night Flight, fake it, Secret secret,　引力

>>11633731
night flight and 1mm are great youre great

>>11627008
crooked teeth are considered jap culture

>>11613944
gee gee gee

>>11627914

JPN was my favourite Perfume Album so each to their own. I only listen to CD's from start to finish though and not just individual songs.

Perfume are mainstream pop and aren't even slightly "otaku".

If you want accessible pop music with a lot of crossover into "otaku" culture, there's obviously AKB48 and their sister groups, but I would also recommend less mainstream groups like Afilia Saga East, Denpagumi, Momoiro Clover Z, Fudanjuku and BiS. Dig even deeper and you'll find denpa artists such as Toromi and the like who are far more "otaku" but far less accessible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWvcqTULQF4

Surely you can see how obviously this song panders to "otaku" in comparison to the average Perfume song?

>>11634202
go away pedo

>>11634202

Momoiro Clover Z is my favourite, basically the only idol group that appeals to me. Their live concerts are especially fantastic.

I think those groups they have large amounts of members are too hard to get into and follow seriously.

I guess management companies do it because it makes the girls expendable, can easily ditch those asking for more money and so on.

>>11634230
>>11634230
I was a big fan of Momoclo in their pre-Z days and largely fell away from them once Akari, who had over time become my favourite member, graduated.

As for the sheer size of the groups being kind of daunting, I can definitely understand your feelings in that regard. I got into AKB48 back in 2008 and thought they were too big then never mind now. If I were to first discover them today, I would probably feel the same way about them as you do if I hadn't already become a fan by now.

The thing is, as a long term fan of AKB48, I can tell you that rather than feeling alienated by the huge amount of girls in the groups, I actually feel more attached to my favourite member than I ever have to any other idol. Whereas in the past I would focus primarily on my favourite member but still have a huge amount of loyalty towards the group as a whole, these days I think of myself more as a "Sumire fan" than an "AKB48 fan" and honestly feel like I'll stop supporting the group the day she leaves.

This makes the whole idol experience more personal to me and it's kind of liberating in a way. I would say that whether you should get into AKB48 or not depends on whether you're the type of person who cares about groups and their dynamics or if you're more concerned with the individual girls themselves. The focus on individual idols rather than groups is so strong that both AKB48 members and most fans actually look down on fans who can't pick a single girl to support over all others. If you ever want to see an angry idol, I recommend that you tell an AKB girl at a handshake event that she is your "third favourite" or something to that effect.

>>11634214
*literally has sexual intercourse with your mother while continuing to post*

>>11626409
This is really creepy looking to me. Is she like runored to be q yokai in disguise or something?

Downvoted.

>>11634230
>Momoclown is the first idol group I ever followed, thus all my knowledge of the groups outside of them is based on worn-out bullshit to justiy my temporary infatuation

Please don't reinforce my assumptions that you guys are just wannabe posers.

>>11634639
You have to be careful with all those big words. You can't just put a lot of them into a bag, mix them up and then try to form a sentence with the result.

>>11634729
What big words?

>>11634517
>>11634520
I don't have loyalty with AKB in general. I just got devastated after Kuumin graduated.

I am currently not following any idol group, although I still like watching SKE Magical Radio and NMB Geinin from time to time just to waste time.

>>11634639
What an a**hole

>>11634202
Perfume have wota, and although they do not deliberately court the otaku market, there is a precedent for idol groups with a more general target audience to acquire wota followers, the obvious example being early Momusu. It wasn't until AKB that you see extremely aggressive marketing towards the lonely loser market, and honestly I'd argue that AKB48 remain far more "otaku" than Dempagumi, Momoclo, et al. just for that reason. Even with their apparent mainstream success, everything about them, from the group's mission statement to the elections to the renai game, is still highly focused on gobbling up the massive disposable income of otaku in a way that no other idol group has really been able to emulate. There's a great series of posts on Neojaponisme about how fragmentary subcultural tastes such as those of the otaku and gyaru are defining the Japanese "mainstream" right now in the absence of monolithic mass market for pop music, and AKB48 are a big part of that argument.

>>11634517
I feel you. Tomochin is gone and Rabutan is in HKT now, so it's basically only Minegishi that's keeping me interested in AKB48. My level of engagement with the group probably won't last too much longer—it's been gradually lessening since about 2011 anyway. Their formula is wearing me out anyway.

>>11634865
>Neojaponisme
The same fucktards who thought that Japan wasn't accepting of Kpop because they were afraid of their "long lengs"?
No, thank you. The fact you are just copying their same fake arguments for lack of personal experience also detracts a lot of points from your post.
Thinking in 2013 that AKB is an obscure group only ugly stupid otakus in Akihabara care about isn't just underestimating the group, it's putting fingers in your ears and screaming "lalalala can't hear you" while being completely ignorant of the evolution of the group.

>>11613944
http://en.musicplayon.com/play?v=102689

What's with all this idol shit ITT
I thought this was about music, not fake personalities in the music industry

>>11634920
Perfume fags acting elitist about MUH MUSIC should just kill themselves.

>>11634909
Christ, you clearly didn't read that post. Marxy argued that otaku weren't interested in K-pop, not "Japan." He was commenting on the prevalence of mainstream female fans of SNSD in Japan rather than male fans, as it is in S. Korea. He joked that he could imagine otaku being scared of them. Are you trying to say that otaku do like SNSD?

And the point isn't that only otaku care about AKB48—it's that otaku tastes are defining the mainstream. If you don't think AKB is still pandering to specifically otaku, it's you who's sticking your finger in your ears. They released their renai game long after they had become a household name. The members' individual activities in particular often make gestures towards finding a broader appeal, but even then, that would be dealt with through their talent jimusho, not AKB management. The Japanese mainstream accepts AKB, but that doesn't mean there is a mass market for AKB48 like there was for J-pop in the nineties.

This is why I prefer blogs that are critical of AKB despite being a fan—most AKB fans simply cannot be objective about what the group really is.

>>11634933
perfume make actually good music compared to all this other shite people are talking about in the thread though

>>11634951
I actually have Perfume music in my music folder, it's actually good music, wouldn't you know.

>>11634942
>Marxy
Please, stop referring to those people by name, let alone with terms of endearment.

>Are you trying to say that otaku do like SNSD?
Considering that Kpop profits in Japan crashed by >70% over the last year and Kpop acts completely vanished from Japanese television, I'd rather argue that Japan as a whole didn't have any interest in that shit and "Marxy" was just desperate to find a scapegoat.

>They released their renai game long after they had become a household name
Unless you seriously want to fool someone, those games are so tongue-in-cheek it's hard to ignore. Next thing you're gonna bring up is that baby-face game for that IPS service that literally nobody bought. I know your dearth of arguments.

>I prefer blogs that are critical of AKB despite being a fan
I prefer to find information on my own rather than relying on someone's confirmation bias and not-so-vested interests.

>>11634977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxy
It's not a "term of endearment." It's what he actually calls himself. Well done, anon.

He wrote his piece on K-pop long before it crashed—don't remember exactly when, but my memory is telling me around '10 or so. I don't see how it's relevant anyway, since he didn't argue that Japan didn't like K-pop. He argued that *otaku* didn't like K-pop, but that mainstream "normal" girls did.

Plenty of otaku shit is self-consciously otaku or tongue-in-cheek about its origins—off the top of my head, Lucky Star, Oreimo. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that it targets otaku. Who else were those games intended for? The general public? Don't make me laugh. Are you saying that a group of execs got in a room and decided to make a renai game because it would be funny?

>confirmation bias
please don't kill me with irony

The point of reading blogs like neojaponisme rather than just pulling up stage48/nihongogo/whatever is to avoid confirmation bias and the endless echo chamber of justifications and over-explanations I used to see there. I used to believe that shit too, but it's been almost a year since I've engaged with the AKB fandom, and I can't believe you guys are still asspained over the fact that someone is pointing out the patently obvious fact that AKB cater heavily to otaku above other consumer groups. I mean good lord, I like the group, and I'll probably follow Tomochin until one of us dies, but have just a little perspective.

>>11635059
>Who else were those games intended for? The general public?
Yeah, why not. Did you actually bother to play them to find out that they're hardly a "dating" simulator?
By the way, I love how you are conveniently ignoring AKB+Me and the countless mobage card games, Mar... err, my fellow AKB fan.

>The point of reading blogs like neojaponisme rather than just pulling up stage48/nihongogo/whatever is to avoid confirmation bias
Either way, you are only getting your information through a middleman who selects them and spoonfeeds it to you as he pleases.
Unless you have free access to the original Japanese source, you can't call your opinion informed.
"Marxy" getting his idea of what AKB is like from shit sites like Alfalfa rather than direct observation is also no secret at all.

>>11635109
AKB management making motions towards a more general audience =/= abandoning their core audience of otaku. They have a hold on the mainstream, so naturally they want to court them.

Have I played them? Jesus, have you? You think they're intended for the general public? No one who isn't already invested in AKB would be interested in playing that—maybe a few more casual fans here and there, but little else.

I like how you imply that I can't possibly be an AKB fans since I don't have conform to the party line—and you worry about my confirmation bias? Unless this is a cult, there shouldn't be any trouble comprehending the idea that I can like something while accepting what it actually is.

>you can't have an informed opinion
By those standards, no one does except maybe a sociologist who has personally compiled data on the AKB fandom. It's actually absurd that you would demand that level of precision just to avoid admitting that AKB48 is heavily reliant on otaku appeal.

>>11635144
>=/= abandoning their core audience of otaku
Considering that AKB in 2006-7, back when it was still reliant on otaku, had low CD sales, the theater was in the red and seats for the daily shows didn't usually sell out, I'd say you are quite overestimating the size of this "core audience" or their financial contribution, Marxy.
Not to mention that the trends has been always toward getting out of the niche, even at the cost of discontinuing stuff like the gacha prizes. What point in doing that if you are supposedly "heavily reliant on otaku appeal", moreso than Momoclo et al.?

>>11635144
your argument about the game as otaku pandering is very poor. The game itself is very accessible to the general public. The general public is not polarized by a romance simulator. Its like saying harry potter is only read by kids.

If you want to make a point about aggressive otaku marketing then you should mention the extras that come with the limited edition.

>>11635181
Oh, great, so apparently the number of AKB otaku has stayed constant since 2007. Gotcha.

And yes, normal people in Japan do not think much of otaku—hence why it's interesting that the group became so successful despite being so obviously designed with otaku tastes in mind.

If you can't see that the whole business model is geared towards otaku, then you're just being wilfully blind to the obvious. Momoclo and other idol groups appeal to otaku as well, clearly, but the AKB model has been most successful in maximizing the amount of disposable income they can suck out of otaku wallets—all based on physical copies, so it's a bit of a Galapagos, but potent nonetheless. The casual fans and young female fans probably fill out their sales significantly, but it's the otaku who are their core audience, as it has been from day one. Just because they have mainstream fans doesn't change what they are.

I'm just going to restate that it doesn't help your case for me having some kind of anti-AKB bias to try and out me as being Marx covertly upsetting your AKB fandom. I don't even agree with everything that he writes; however, I do think he has a good point when it come to the collapse of the Japanese mass market and the foregrounding of subcultural tastes in the mainstream.

>>11635187
I assumed that the extras were a given. Besides, the general public doesn't need to be *polarized* for it to be appealing to otaku. Not everything that appeals to otaku is polarizing. I just don't see a general audience being particularly *interested* in it, no matter how accessible.

>>11635229
the general public is never interested until you make them interested.

>>11634865
I can definitely relate. If Suuchan weren't still around, I would at most be a casual fan of HKT48 these days, with my interest in AKB having slowly dwindled as the long term members have graduated.

Other than that, I'll also be somewhat into Momoclo and HKT but not to a serious extent although I must admit that I'm starting to get seriously into BiS so maybe my time as an idol fan won't end altogether. I'll need something to sink all that left over time and money into after all. I'll be in Japan in around April or so and there's no way I can do this and not attend one of their apparently insane shows that sometimes run for 24 hours. I've been told that I should set aside a lot of time, wear cheap clothes I don't mind getting dirty, and not actually expect anything in particular. It sounds unlike any idol concert I've ever seen.

Also, I'm disappointed that you guys apparently get your AKB-related news from English-language blogs and forums rather than from tgsk and 2ch.

You're both wrong for this reason.

>>11635569w
When I can be bothered to translate, I sometimes use Japanese-language sources for news, but for more detailed analysis and commentary, my Japanese just isn't good enough, at least not yet.

>>11635547
Yeah, pretty much the same with me. Momoclo never really grabbed me fully like AKB (and Momusu long before that), but they've proven themselves enough for me to check up on every so often. I'll probably keep AKB at least in the corner of my eye at least as long as Minegishi is around, but it isn't the same anymore, especially now that Tomomi's gone. I'm likely going to get that Manatsu no Dome box set if only for Tomo's graduation, but I might just call it quits after that.

Yeah, BiS actually sound really interesting. Didn't they say they wanted to kill AKB48 in an English interview sometime last year?

>>11635737
Why do we talk about AKB and their shitty sister groups in a perfume thread

>>11635569
i'm disappointed that you guys get AKB-related news at all, they're group is more soft-core porn related then music

>>11639413
That was a pretty damn edgy post, perfume444. You sound like a very well informed person.

>>11638889

because nobody wants to talk with you about Perfume, live with it

>>11638889
Why is newer Capsule so bad? I like a lot their early albums of cute Shibuya-kei esque bossa nova inspired music, but their newer electro-pop is pretty much trash.

>2ch
>news
no

>>11639532
Did you hear the new album? It's pretty good, kinda like 'old capsule'.

>>11639532
I actually love both sides of Capsule. Their old shibuya-kei stuff is lovely, I still use (well, used to) it while studying for exams while their newer material is great for listening to on drives and what not. Took me a few listens to get used to the newer music but it's solid music... Nakata knows his shit.

>>11638889
Agreed. Even if people can make waifu material out of the Perfume members, at least their music can stand on their own merit. It seems like AKB (and all other related acts) fans focus more on the girls themselves rather than the actual music.

>>11640543
A-chan is my 3dpd waifu

>>11627008
>>surprise me if they had other work done also
>This isn't Korea
Fun fact:
100% of the jap idols had work done.

>>11641670
>Idols
There you go

>>11639533
what are you talking about

>>11613944

My Color and Mirai no Museum right now, Sweet Donuts used to be my all-time favorite.

>>11613944
One Room Disco, Polyrhythm, love the world

Perfume otaku rejoice!

http://jpopsuki.eu/torrents.php?id=148314&torrentid=200466

>>11646260

no seeder, either a troll upload or someone who didn't redownload their own torrent to seed.

>>11646260
Pretty good

http://jpopsuki.eu/torrents.php?id=148314&torrentid=200726 Lossless

>>11613944

Vitamin Drop and Voice

>>11613944
レーザービーム

>>11659496
>every perfume performance ever

Hip hop dance and training is the foundation of a lot of choreography. It is not surprising that they have a history of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s20JicVL_hU

>>11659634
hell yea so hip and hop http://youtube.com/watch?v=xs72vl4h_pU