/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I want to be with Saya forever!

It is. Men are just lazy these days. They don't want to give up their video games and computers and use that money to support a woman. It is sad good man are few and far between.

>grow up and make babies

who wrote this fucking article

Japan is superior.

wow saya is so cute I wish she was my girlfriend

>>11556425
>It is a one sided love, and thus an empty one.
Leave.

>>11556431
>>11556443
Disgusting, why do you like this slimey abomination

>implying the act of pursuing something even though you know it to be unreachable isn't the most beautiful act in the world

>>11556450
You are disgusting!

>men who prefer virtual girlfriends to sex

Sounds like >/jp/ 

Japanese men know 3D women are shit, 0/10 would not marry tier.

Do you doubt their wisdom?

>2D It is a one sided love, and thus an empty one.

Without love it cannot be seen

>>11556425
>there are 60 immigrant healthcare assistants in Japan
Does this mean I can be a cute nippon nurse, too?

Don't you guys know? 3d girls require food and sunlight to survive. 2d girls don't, therefore 2d waifus is best waifus.

>>11556469
Japan doesn't want you, they don't even want the 60 they have

women are just too slutty

>Japanese men are to blame
>also Japan has too few immigrants
>Ahita Rahi Nazran

Apparently growing up is equal to having sex/breeding.

Also, I don't think you understand. ever heard of tulpas?

>>11556425
>Manga and anime advertising posters on a building in Akihabara, Tokyo

I don't blame them for not knowing what's on the picture. I blame them for not checking.

That's professional journalism for you. With a beginning like that, how can the rest be trusted?

You know what's really shitty about this: these guys probably got interviewed and weren't told they'd be bashed in the article.

They were probably just told, "We'd like to learn about your lifestyles as otaku, so can we film some of your day-to-day activities?" and then they wrote this later. Obviously nobody would give an interview and display like this if they were told it was so the BBC could write a dumb article from a perspective which does not permit them to understand what they're writing about.

>>11556491

Tulpas are attention ploys. I'm not agreeing with anything in the article, just putting that out there.

>Reading crap BBC writes actually reading news in general
>anno domini 2013

>>11556505
I want Asuka to be my wife!

it's because women are bitches
if they want people to have more kids then they need to do something to the women

>>11556425
Real relationships are one-sided love too. The only thing a 3DPD will ever love is her children, and even that is a stretch.

>>11556496
They aren't writing for you. Most readers wouldn't recognize or care about the reference. It doesn't have any bearing on the article proper if people know that the little doe eyed blue haired girl in the advert is miku, so why bother spending extra time trying to find that out?

>>11556502
I don't think they're being bashed per se. The author is just a normalfag who doesn't know what she's talking about. There's some bigotry in the text, but I think it's mostly subconscious.

>>11556517
Enjoy your self-centered vagina

Japanese culture a shit hence why you have problems like this

>>11556520
Enjoy your no Asuka!

>>11556514

It's a shame we can't make test tube babies yet.

Society has to be molded around shitty biological limitations rather than what makes everyone happiest.

>>11556518

Telling people to 'grow up' is an irrational insult. It's bashing.

This article is so fucking biased, I want to shoot myself in the face.

"If you compare China or Vietnam, most of those kids on scooters going to nightclubs, and dancing their heart away and perhaps having sex - they know it's getting better, they know they are probably going to rock their parents' income," he says. "No-one in Japan feels that way."


>China
A country where if a girl is born, she's immediately killed
>Vietnam

Let me not start. also, "nightclubs, sex, and dancing your heart away" is a definitive goal for the future. It's definitely not being content with your hobby (so long as you have income).

I fucking hate humanity.

>>11556496
And yet related.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INdip-HQlkE

>>11556516
>Nobody knows it so nobody gives half a fuck. Just write whatever you want.
Congrats, you just described what's wrong with today's mass media.

>>11556515
What is a pre-nup?

>>11556515

Yeah. I don't think many people understand how statistically unlikely they are to be happy in a marriage. http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S11545411#p11545610

>>11556525

I wonder why normal people are so grossed out by the otaku/NEET/hikki phenomenons. I think it's just a lack of empathy. People don't feel anything for things which are unlike themselves.

>>11556527
I hate katakana so fucking much.

So fucking much!

And all of you as well!

>>11556534

And people tend to subjugate things they don't feel empathy for.

>>11556516
Yeah, why bother researching. The readers will eat up anything.

And you missed the point. The point is that from the fact that she didn't research a simple thing like that I can infer that she didn't research the rest of the story. And after reading it, it turned out I was right. The author probably read that Guardian article from few days ago and decided to make a sensationalist story of her own. And it literally reads like something straight from PMiSS.

>>11556534

Because normal people lack the brain capacity that people have different hobbies. They can't stand that anyone who doesn't like "clubbing" or whatever and try to guilt them with theoretical outcomes.

Want to know the advice my grandpa gave me?

"So long as you work, buy whatever makes you happy." That's all I needed to hear.

>>11556538

>So long as you work,

Why? I don't care about 'the greater good of humanity'. Humanity doesn't care about me.

>>11556539

I meant, work for yourself. I don't give a shit about humanity either.

>>11556533
ファックユウ

I decided not to have children. My family was full of tension and anger, and then I noticed that many others were too. Such a family life was in no way attractive. When older, often I saw parents rebuke their children for playing with me, or even in my vicinity, assuming it would bother me — without waiting to see if I objected. Rebuking those children had become an ingrained, automatic habit. To see this made me sad for them, but I knew I would be the same as a parent. I would not be able cope with a frequently crying baby without becoming upset and angry.

Of course, many people tell themselves, "That happens to others, but I am better than they; I will get it right." Obviously, most of them are mistaken. I did not suppose that I would succeed in human relationships where most people fail.

Most fathers in the US have to work very hard to get money for their children. I did not want a life of running on a treadmill, doing whatever people with money would tell me to do.

A large fraction of US fathers eventually get divorced, and subsequently rarely see the children for whom they are spending most of their time scrabbling for money. What a futile life! But even those who are not yet divorced see their children little, since they are so busy at work.

I am convinced I made a wise personal decision in avoiding this. But I was not the only one that benefitted from it. Everyone did. Not having children is an important contribution to humanity. My decision probably reduced the 2050 population by 5 to 10 people.

Overpopulation is a tremendous danger to civilization and the ecosphere. It makes every human-caused ecological problem bigger. Population growth has slowed but not stopped. The human population is expected to grow by 2 or 3 billion by 2050, and it is not clear how to find water and food for all those people. Population growth also increases the difficulty of curbing global heating.

>>11556539
I guess that's why there are hospitals with doctors to cure you, or parents who work hard for their children, or teachers who teach them mathematics.

Thus, the decision about having children is, for most people, the most important decision in their lives about how they will affect humanity's resource footprint in the future. (Nina Paley said it graphically.)

That decision enabled me to contribute something else: to launch GNU and the free software movement. Having no dependents, I could dedicate myself to what seemed right rather than to whatever someone with money wanted me to do. If you are reading this page, it is because that decision enabled me to make contributions to humanity that people appreciate.

I therefore urge you to do as I did, and have no children. I don't wish that nobody had any children; I don't want humanity to disappear. But there is no risk of that; for the numbers I could hope to influence, the influence is for the good.

Some make the absurd argument that population decline is the real danger. In 50 years, they claim, everyone will have a comfortable life, so they may have few children (as tends to happen in developed societies today), and the human population could decline. If this went on for millenia, humanity might disappear. Is that a real possibility?

First of all, it disregards the tremendous disaster that global heating and destruction of the natural world are leading towards. 30 years from now, large parts of humanity will probably find it hard to get water or food, let alone contraception. It is unlikely we will provide most of humanity with a decent European-style life with the current world population. So there is little chance, in that world, of population decrease because everyone is comfortable.

Supposing we avoid the disaster and eliminate poverty, 50 years later we might reach a stage where everyone prefers a small family. However, 50 years after that we will probably have greatly extended the human life span. That means a much smaller number of births per adult per year would be enough to maintain a stable population. The danger of overpopulation might even return.

>>11556530
Who are you quoting?

Also, I work in the media. We're constantly pressured to write articles that appeal to as many people as possible so that management can sell more adverts and google analytics won't say mean things about us.

That's the whole point of a "mass" media. You know how Aya writes popular articles by taking sensationalist photos and padding them with borderline lies and her own opinions? That's ZUN taking the piss out of commercial media because IT'S TRUE.

This whore works for the BBC though, so she has no excuse. /jp/, if I send her nasty emails telling her how she's a bitch who needs to stop gabbing and start sucking and fucking like good submissive bitch whores are supposed to, I'll get in trouble. I wish I could quit this hellish EET life.

>>11556525
All articles are biased. She just gets a pass on making an effort to hide the biases because the subjects are waaaaaay over in nip land and constitute a small, eccentric group of turbonerds that people enjoy gawking at.

>>11556545
Doctors and teachers work because they're paid. Mothers mostly care for their own children. There's no humanity in play here, certainly not humanity at large.

>>11556544
>>11556545
Stallman knowns whats up

>>11556550
No shit. But who do you think pays them to being with?

I can't believe the word "alpha male" made it into a BBC article. In reference to post-war Japan, of all things.

I guess it's time to throw BBC into the shit bin with Fox News.

>>11556549

He's quoting you, you fucking autist. Did you forget that little statement you wrote?

>>11556554
Don't bother trying to explain how the world works to teenagers and disgruntled man-children.

>>11556545

I don't want to be taught mathematics. What's hard to understand about this?

In the first place, the purpose of teachers isn't to teach children how to do things they enjoy, but to teach them useful trade skills to keep the economy aloft. This is not inherently evil; it is good for the collective but bad for me as an individual. Parents provide for their children because they are socially, legally, and biologically obligated to do so. You are also confusing people's motivations. People do not become a teacher or a parent or doctor for altruistic reasons, but because they need to make money or satisfy the biological urge to procreate and rear children.

The human world functions well, outside some rare examples like capitalism, as a system of systems which exists to convey society most rapidly into a more ideal future. But I don't want a part of it because I have no emotional connection to other people. I don't care about the life quality of people in the future, because I'm not living their lives, and improving theirs at the expense of my own makes no sense. Also, there is a sense of insignificance: if everyone stopped working, obviously things would be bad, but if only I do it, it won't matter. It's like one person littering into a lake versus tens of thousands of people doing it.

>>11556550
I don't think most teachers are in it for the money. They could probably get a much better job with their degrees, except for the humanities people I guess.

>>11556556
>>11556549
This is the kind of journalism I would expect from a high school newspaper.

>>11556554
People who receive their services.

>>11556537
Actually yes, readers will eat up anything. It's kind of what makes the news industry profitable.

What is terribly important to one may be irrelevant to others. In this case she didn't make up some shit and say that "here's blue haired sailor moon playing lol :3", she just provided the bare minimum of a description required to contextualize the photo. We're on deadlines - cutting corners like this saves everyone money.

What Guardian article are you talking about?

>>11556564

Most people are in the education business for these reasons, in order of importance

1) Need to make a living to not be homeless

2) Drawn toward a structured, childish and safe environment to make up for some trauma which occurred early in their lives

>>11556562
It doesn't work that way. Not all the people who receive their services pay taxes, some do but not as much as others, and some people pay them without receiving public services.

The first hurdle is to avoid the disaster. Having no children will help, and it will free you to do something else that will help.

>>11556569
Everyone pays taxes, it's almost impossible to spend money without some sort of tax.

>>11556573
Of course. But some people might not pay income taxes. Some people pay taxes that are very small compared to what they receive from the public services. Do you understand what I'm saying? The purpose of taxes is to distribute services and wealth to the populace so that poor people aren't left behind and can still get basic health or education.

>>11556565
I'm not denying that, I'm bemoaning it.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

Say what you will, actual effort went into it. As opposed to the tabloid BBC crap, where the author just took a subject she just read about, spoke to two random natives and called her friend, and thought she has a story.

>>11556557
Paraphrasing is not quoting. Please do not misuse the site features.

>>11556561
Most editors tell new reporters to write at around the grade 9-10 level. True story, though it varies by education. "Human interest" pieces get more leeway, since they're supposed to be conversational.

Honestly, this is just the BBC trying to compete with the Sun and the Daily Mail for LIVs. Just ignore it and stick to their hard news.

>>11556564
Ultimately, it does. Things wouldn't be paid for if someone didn't decide they're profitable - whether it's a sick person looking for a cure, a parent looking to educate his child, or a government/fund acting in their stead.

mfw i fuk da bitches and get dat paypuh

tfw i'm considered an alpha male to the author of that article and she wouldn't be able to resist my dick

>>11556580

He is quoting one part of your statement. and that feature was originally on usenet to call out certain arguments.

Please do not misinterpret the term.

>>11556587

Will you take my vir/jp/nity?

JANNY

why is this still here

>>11556577
Ah. Well, it is sadly here to stay. The internet means that newspapers and magazines can't gouge advertisers to subsidize excellent coverage. Broadcast is a bit better but still facing cuts to I-teams and correspondents because of pressure from niche content online.

I hate people like this whore. She is human scum, shitting turds into the already polluted reservoir that is our collective intelligence. But I am under no illusions that I can go it alone without people like her, since ky hard news alone is worth almost nothing. A paper will only carry hard news in order to establish itself as above the base desires of the tabloids and women's magazines. Some papers like the Guardian can pull in readers with hard news alone, but these are by and large exceptions. Most reporters are stuck piggy backing on sports reporters, asshole commentators, and bitches who need to suck some dick.

tl;dr I really just wanna rape a bitch. Is she hot?

>>11556589
Paraphrasing doesn't count.

>>11556609

Nobody gives a shit what you think "counts".

The point is, I'm quoting a specific part of your statement and you're mistaking it entirely.

>>11556609
>this whore
>bitches who need to suck some dick

no anon

Why is news/journalism even still existent? I know about major events way before news stations talk about them 'cause of social media. They are pointless holdovers.

>>11556621
Social media (blogs and 4chan included) tend to muddle the facts, often intentionally.

>>11556623

This is the same archaic and incorrect fearmongering view that was screamed by encyclopedia publishers before wikipedia swallowed their industry whole.

This is paraphrased from some Encyclopedia Brittanica suit, and virtually identical to what you just said: "Web encyclopedias are worthless. I liken them to a public bathroom: you enter never knowing who has come in before you, or whether they have left everything in order as it was, and leave with a feeling of uncleanliness." Of course, this view stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the technology (plus a resistance to change and an enormous pinch of conflicted interests.)

>>11556635
I want to cuddle that

It's more about japanese females are very reserved and have huge standards, combined with the otaku shit that causes this problem.

By the way, if you are NEET and you refuse to work, you don't belong here.

>>>/soc/

Why the fuck do people think having sex and making babies = growing up?

Does this bitch not know the state of her country?

>>11556623
>Social media (blogs and 4chan included) tend to muddle the facts, often intentionally.

And that differs from traditional media how?

Please explain, using the article we're already speaking of as an example.

>>11556639

Me too.

I wonder if Asuka was supposed to be the singer of 1.0/2.0's ending song? The bed scene reminds me of one of the song's lines, and as a scene it's way larger and more clearly-defined than the scene in the anime, where she just wordlessly laid down next to him then said something about her mom in her sleep.

Kinda shitty that they removed the bit about her mom, making it look like a bare bid for companionship as well as her depression following being outperformed (even the outperformance was replaced with a normie-smelling scene where she simply 'needed help.') It's like he dialed down everything about Asuka other than her superficially appealing qualities because he was afraid his normie audience would find an emotionally fucked and misanthropic female protagonist with separation problems freakish.

its just the usual propaganda to throw off dumbshit investors and make them think japan economy is going to collapse tomorrow

>>11556649

>>11556655
Because those are natural human function I suppose. But so is shitting and pissing.

>>11556659
>propaganda to throw off dumbshit investors
conspiracy or insider trading? whats happening over there?

>>11556612
So then copy the text and stick and arrow in front of it. Bang. Quotation.

This is not a quotation, it is paraphrasing and is an egregious use of the quotation function, which was invented by moot in 2003.

>>11556621
Dedicated journalists usually have the skills to sift through the shit and find the story that is underneath the chatter on the surface.

Unless you want to spend all your time being ducked around by press officers and filing info requests to get the full story. Oh, and make sure you take courses on how NOT to get sued for libel.

>>11556635
Wikipedia is horrible in all but the most high profile cases. Half of the presidents of France have articles shorter than articles for anime series. Mind you, anyone who does their research ONLY through encyclopedias is an idiot.

Also, a Wikipedia editor can't be rendered unemployable if he writes fake or consistently badly researched articles

>>11556659
>It's a conspiracy

>>11556667

I'm 'growing up' right now then, if you know what I mean!

#diaperNEET

>>11556649

>/jp/
>not the home of NEET's that lack jobs

>>11556671

>Also, a Wikipedia editor can't be rendered unemployable if he writes fake or consistently badly researched articles

Wikipedia bans people who do this, then rangebans them if that doesn't work.

>>11556655
Perpetuating the spieces is the goal of mature individuals?

>>11556621
They're neutral, objective, and well-written. They also have some firm principles and guidelines, from style guides to maintaining an editorial point of view.

Of course this is all in theory, but compare it with the typical social media post: "omg celebrity did <x>!!!!1 wtf what a BITCH!!! #yolo"

Personally, I hope professional journalism never dies. It's flawed, but I definitely prefer it to the alternative.

>>11556671
>Dedicated journalists usually have the skills to sift through the shit and find the story that is underneath the chatter on the surface.
Journalism today is just quoting wikipedia. Haven't there been numerous occasions where people have inserted some bullshit into a wikipedia article, and then that made up fact has been heavily publicised as the truth by multiple "reputable" media outlets?

>>11556671

Are you a journalist/journalism student?

I'm just curious because I cannot see anyone else defending the journalism industry which only presently exists because old people are too stupid to use the Internet.

>>11556681
Doesn't that kind of undermine your argument that MSM is worse than blogs.

>>11556683

They're sensationalist. Understand that the purpose of a piece of journalism is to generate income, while the purpose of a social media post is to simply inform people of an event.

>but compare it with the typical social media post: "omg celebrity did <x>!!!!1 wtf what a BITCH!!! #yolo"

What's problematic about this? Just read the "celebrity did <x>" part.

>>11556690

No. How do you think it does that?

>>11556682
Aparenly. Hell, even old YHWH says so.

Would be a tragedy if all women were friendzoned for the sake of games, anon.

>>11556425

Whats with the media attention to this all of a sudden?

>>11556694
The BBC is publically funded. Their task is specifically to not be sensationalist.

>>11556657
The indicators for success are different and, in the case of blogs and forums and social media, are often nonexistent. If a reporter writes a bad article that blatantly misrepresents someone, that person's career is threatened. The institution that employs the reporter is also threatened financially, since it will have to deal with the fallout if the errors are gaping wide.

A blogger, at the very worst, might get sued for libel - and that's if he hasn't concealed his identity. The risks are smaller, especially to his career.

Us reporters have our salaries holding us up to basic standards, although those are falling as we are pressured to write more popular articles. Bloggers have few to no standards that aren't self created and are much harder to hold accountable for lying.

Not using your example because fuq da police

>>11556707
The BBC is on the side of whatever the government wants it to say. Assuming they have any real interest in the public as anything but an easy tool to make far more money than they need is stupid, the whole company is utterly corrupt at a fundamental level.

>>11556671
>Half of the presidents of France have articles shorter than articles for anime series.

This is because people view anime articles more than French president articles. Content for Wikipedia is generated democratically. It could also be because the knowledge of French presidents can be more succinctly arranged than the knowledge of anime. If you think about the complexity of a piece of large entertainment like an anime series, it has far more to write about than a list of a person's major life events, date of birth, date of death, etc.

And remember: you can always edit those French presidents' pages yourself if you find the amount of information unsatisfactory. Give something to posterity!

>>11556710

If you're unable to distinguish between a lie and a truth on the Internet, it's nobody's fault but yours.

>>11556712
Wrong again. The BBC is independent of the government.

>>11556635
Lately I've been avoiding Wikipedia. It's a great idea and some of the articles are very well-written, but 90% of the site is poor quality.

Also, you grow dependent on it. I'll bet most people go straight to Wikipedia when they want to learn something new. I can't explain this very well, but I don't think encyclopedias should be used for learning, but for reference.
For example, if you wanted to learn about civil engineering, you would pick up an introductory civil engineering textbook, not an encyclopedia. Even if you only read the introduction, that will give you a better idea of civil engineering, written by an expert on the topic, than something from an encyclopedia author who wrote a thousand other articles. If you wanted to know what the capital of France is or when Shakespeare was born, an encyclopedia is fine.

Not to mention the encyclopedic style of writing is pretty boring. It's nice to read a book or personal web page written by someone passionate about a topic, maybe they even crack a few jokes. And if you're reading something like a psychology textbook, you really get a feel of how influential Pavlov and classical conditioning were, whereas in an encyclopedia like Wikipedia it's written in the same droll, matter-of-fact way as an article about a cheese company.

A specific problem I have with Wikipedia is that I can't tell which television series are children's series. It might say, "Such-and-such is an American animated television series created by..." but it doesn't always say, "and it's for kids." or put it a category like that, because that's subjective and they'd need a source. Yet any man on the street could tell me Robotech was for children, and it was unashamedly marketed as such.

Rant rant rant.

>>11556437
I don't know how having children equates to being an adult. Someone people just don't want them or can't have them at all.

Also why is it anyone's concern that these waifufags are doing these things? They are plenty of other men who would fuck women in their place. Now you have your stronk genes while they die out. You can't even be left alone in peace nowadays.

>Japan's demographic timebomb is also linked to the lack of immigration.

Oh vey, Japan must import Africans and Muslims for labor or else their economy will crumble for sure!

>>11556733
You're joking, right? Who do you think allows them to tax practically every household in the UK? The BBC is beholden to the government, they couldn't operate without massive government support.

>>11556734

>Yet any man on the street could tell me Robotech was for children, and it was unashamedly marketed as such.

Accepting knowledge from 'any man on the street' as objective isn't wise. 'any man on the street' from the southern USA could go on a spiel about how niggers aren't human and how Obama is an illegal immigrant from space. Things being commonly believed doesn't make them right.

>>11556681
Being a wikipedo isn't a job

>>11556683
Only the most high profile articles are held up to these standards.

>>11556685
Sadly, many new journalists are getting this lazy. Tight deadlines are partially to blame, but Facebook/Twitter/Leddit/Tumblr culture is perpatuating it just as much.

>>11556687
I wish I could say that I'm not, but I am, and I see where you're coming from.

I'm defending what's left of old journalism because it's the only kind of journalism left with any honour in it. You're working as a voice for the people and a safeguard of the public trust. You aren't just scraping together what sells in order to make a buck and get backstage passes or whatever.

>>11556707
Public media has been facing cuts everywhere where it exists. The solution to stopping these cuts has been to write more popular content.

>>11556741

Yeah, I really don't understand that language.

Why is Japan's low birth rate caused by lack of immigration, except insofar as foreigners are more likely to have sex (which is averting the issue)?

>>11556740
Because if you don't have kids, you're fucking up birth rates. When you have more old people than young people, the economy tanks. This is such a big issue that the entire first world, save Japan, is importing as many brown people as they can get their hands on.

>>11556746
>I'm defending what's left of old journalism because it's the only kind of journalism left with any honour in it. You're working as a voice for the people and a safeguard of the public trust.

...Come on.

>>11556710
All you said boils down to "you can't lie outright about the few people who are willing to sue you". That's really not much.

>>11556715
>If you think about the complexity of a piece of large entertainment like an anime series, it has far more to write about than a list of a person's major life events, date of birth, date of death, etc.

There's far more to write about a politician holding an important office than it is about the entire Gundam franchise. Provided someone cares. Articles about contemporary politicians, where news are readily available, edited in immediately, and fresh in everyone's memory, prove it without a shadow of doubt.

The problem is, noone bothers to research, something that happened decades ago. Here's hoping someday someone will.

>>11556707
I think the problem is that "journalistic integrity" is a difficult goal to follow, since it can't be measured in objective numerical values. Happens quite often that state-funded organization take the easy way out and set their goals as something more easily measurable, like viewer count. So a state funded broadcasting company like BBC, which SHOULD be immune to the incentive to provide sensationalist news, since they don't depend on sales profit, still get trapped by the same incentive since they depend on viewer count for internal confirmation that they're running effectively.

>>11556746
>I'm defending what's left of old journalism because it's the only kind of journalism left with any honour in it. You're working as a voice for the people and a safeguard of the public trust. You aren't just scraping together what sells in order to make a buck and get backstage passes or whatever.
You're kidding, right?

>>11556733
Not that guy, but to what extent is this true?

I know the BBC is a self-sustaining organization with its own governance, but it's still owned by The Crown.

What about its policies? For example, the BBC doesn't run advertisements, and I know it's not allowed to endorse real products. The Kinks had to fly to a recording studio to record the words "cherry cola" because the BBC didn't want "Coca-Cola" broadcast over their radio, and the UK version of The Apprentice always refers to Amstrad as "Lord Sugar's company" (and they never visit Pets at Home or B&Q, it's always "Britain's largest pet supplies retailer" or "a DIY and home improvement store").

Is this stuff the Government's fault, or is it just BBC's own regulations?

>>11556745

Hopefully they never let that happen.

>>11556715
Again, there's the rub. The end result is that people.get what they want (a lot of mindless entertainment) and little hard facts.

Yay democracy!

>>11556720
It is everyone's problem when enough people believe these lies.

>>11556734
W-would you like to cuddle?

>>11556747
That's simply what happens naturally at the end of a civilizations life.

What we are seeing now is the same as the fall of Rome, except it encompasses the entire modern world.

>>11556685

I actually made a fake e-mail screencap of Gabe Newell saying he was announcing HL3 at E3 2012 and it got all over PC gamer and Destructoid before he told them it was fake

breddy funny

>>11556744
If you don't understand how it works just look it up on Wikipedia if you like.

>>11556759

>Again, there's the rub. The end result is that people.get what they want (a lot of mindless entertainment) and little hard facts.

From how scornfully you're speaking of 'mindless entertainment', I wonder why you're here.

>>11556760
Obviously, but that doesn't mean that people in power won't seek to prevent it. The alternative is basically just killing everyone over the age of 65, which isn't great for voter confidence.

>>11556755
>I'm defending what's left of old journalism because it's the only kind of journalism left with any honour in it. You're working as a voice for the people and a safeguard of the public trust. You aren't just scraping together what sells in order to make a buck and get backstage passes or whatever.
That's the dumbest shit I have ever heard. In my country the media blatantly lies and misrepresents statistics to get their agenda through to deceive the people. The journalists are worse cockroaches than god damned lawyers.

>>11556772
I don't think the answer is a complete population exchange though. If anything all it dies is speed up the process.

>>11556734
The reason Wikipedia isn't good for learning new stuff is simply because it's doesn't go through the subjects in a very beginner friendly manner. If you need to learn some physics formula so you can build a bridge or some shit, you can find the formula on wikipedia and an explanation of what the formula represents, but it doesn't try to give you an intuitive understanding of how the formula works, like you'll find in a textbook.

It can still be useful for learning about subjects where the information isn't as physically accessible, like when you want to learn about some person who isn't famous enough for their biography to be available at the local library.

>>11556760

The Romans never stopped reproducing though.

>>11556531
Something that doesn't even work and gets thrown out in court because it isn't actually considered a legal document?

>>11556694
But there's less sensationalist news. There are polemics and then there's "A man died today."

Just as you can filter out the noise from "omg taylor swift died #goodriddance" you can filter out the noise from a newspaper article.

I don't think there's anything wrong with social media or blogs reporting news, it's just that I can appreciate having a newspaper where the staff undergo training and research, and I generally agree with their editorial style. Not that I always want to read things I agree with, which is another problem of social media: you can easily filter out the news you don't want to hear. Newspapers do this too (e.g. reporting about Palestinian "terrorist attacks" then barely mentioning Israelis car bombing innocent civilians) but they come under fire for it. Nobody cares if josh89 didn't report something on his blog.

>>11556785
But they had many buttfuckers at the end.

TIL that Asuka spammer is Benlisquare.

Why are there two threads? >>11556600

>>11556790
Bleh they had those all along

>>11556785

Japan is older and bigger and and less decadent than Rome. More isolated too.

>>11556740
Normalfags are clearly tsundere for us. They want our nerd genes so they can get genius children.

>>11556792
I don't know. This one was first

>>11556792
Good job bumping the other one you idiot

>>11556746
>I'm defending what's left of old journalism

When was that, then?

Have you read old newspaper articles? "Golly gee, General Motors sure are swell! Also a rape happened, but we can't write about it because of contemporary social standards. Buy Lux Toilet Soap!"

>>11556791

Huh? No. I haven't written any Wikipedia articles. I've only written a small amount of wiki content for games I've played, like HellMOO.

>>11556797
I don't know why anyone would want smart children. The smarter you are, the less happy you are.

>>11556788
>I can appreciate having a newspaper where the staff undergo training and research, and I generally agree with their editorial style

So can I, but I don't have any.

Maybe I'd read Guardian if I lived in the UK, but I don't. And I wouldn't even know they're reliable if people in the social media didn't pimp them in a way that went past my bullshit filter.

>>11556805
Misery loves company

>>11556805

>The smarter you are, the less happy you are.

I wonder if this is really true, or if smart people are just more vocal about their unhappiness.

>>11556805

You what mate?

>>11556685
Like 4 years ago during those retarded Jessi Slaughter raids, I got enough to people to googlebomb "Jessi Slaughter given PCP by her father" that some newspaper in San Francisco did an article about it on their website despite there being no facts to it whatsoever. They just took the phrase from google trends and bullshitted an entire article.

>>11556791

I googled this guy and what the hell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Benlisquare

He has this image there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meido.png

Description
English: Artwork and artist's interpretation of "Meido", the personification of the janitor (someone who deletes rule-breaking and off-topic posts) on the /jp/ (Otaku Culture) board of 4chan.

>>11556805
Parents don't give a fuck about how happy their children will be, they want children who will be successful and make them proud, so they can be happy while their children struggle to keep up with their expectations.

Just look at women picking fathers for artificial insemination. They always look for a father who is healthy, attractive, and has a high IQ.

>>11556818
I'd tell my kids to "take it easy", every day.

>>11556818
Sick, ugly, dumb children generally don't end up very happy.

>>11556818

Funny thing: people buy semen for more money based on totally non-hereditary accomplishments. 'nobel prize laureate' semen goes for a lot more than the average stuff.

>>11556742
That's true, but I mean things that are "common knowledge" but not objective. I guess some are outright opinions. For example, if a band is some corporate bubblegum pop aimed at little girls, the article is written the same as a "real" band. Or if something is popular online, you don't get the feeling of the general consensus towards it.

>>11556784
I think they have actually added some "Introduction to..." and "Overview of..." articles for that reason. They're still not quite teaching materials, but they're a little better for learning. I honestly think one of the best new ways to learn about something on Wikipedia is to read the Simple English version, that way you don't need to open seven new tabs to learn the jargon.

Again, it's a great idea, I just think a book written from scratch by one expert (or a small group of experts) is generally more informative, entertaining, and professional than an article written by a thousand people then whittled down to a rough "Best Of Contributions". And people need to stop relying on Wikipedia where they traditionally wouldn't use an encyclopedia. Try some university professor's personal web site or lecture notes or something, you'll be surprised.

>>11556834

>that way you don't need to open seven new tabs to learn the jargon.

This really is a big deal. Vocabulary is the single largest barrier that prevents people from understanding something.

>>11556824
If I was a dictator, I'd start up an eugenics program to promote the spread of genes for people who are satisfied with their lives and can take it easy. Within a few generations, my reich would be the happiest place in a world.

full circle
communism is the only way to make everyone happy

>>11556813
He contributed to the Chinese Wikipedia 4chan article, and got it (completely with Meido.png) featured on the front page of the Chinese Wikipedia.

I don't get what he sees in /jp/. He's not a bad writer or anything, but he seems like the sort of stuck-up jerk who would "ironically" say, "U MAD?" if you complained about him.

>>11556841

But your people would be subjugated by some populace more inclined to brutishness. Taking it easy isn't helpful in a war.

Well, maybe it is, I don't know. Has a war ever been fought with taking it easy? It'd certainly help with issues like PTSD.

>>11556833
I wonder if they taste differently too.

>>11556852
You could take it pretty easy if you just dropped the bomb.

>>11556833
Intelligence (not knowledge) is genetically determined.

So is happiness and personality.

>>11556852
You could easily win a cold war by taking it easy. Since nothing actually happens in a cold war other than psychological warfare, the side that is least emotionally affected by it wins.

>>11556856

>Intelligence (not knowledge) is genetically determined.

No, it's only partly hereditary. You can be exposed to ideas or events which alter your thought processes to be less efficient. Also, your brain can be physically affected by non-hereditary factors.

>So is happiness and personality.

No, it's partly - and probably in much smaller part - hereditary.

>>11556863
So a total media blackout, while you casually position all your nukes in more strategic locations?

>>11556856
at least try to sound convincing.

>>11556865

>to be less efficient

To be less or more efficient, I mean. Obviously it isn't one-sided.

>>11556818
But seeing you kid happy is the best thing in the world!

>>11556840
Which is why Simple English is so good. For example, the article on chemistry explains that "materials" means "things", and alchemists were "people that did alchemy". I'll never be confused about materials or alchemists again.

>>11556856
No, you fool.vMemories make the man. I know this because I saw the original Total Recall last night.

>>11556747
If you want people to breed give incentive. Everyone knows that individuals dont need kids, society does. So why do I have to foot the bill?

You want me to have kids you pay for it. Assblasted normies mad they cant trick people into creating more workhorses while they reap the benefits.
The only reason they have to write this shit is because they know importing subhumans wont be the same, they will not be as productive ever.

>>11556545
Because they are also working for themselves, are you retarded? Doctors arent working for charity, they can quit at any time. If they do work for charity no one is holding them at gunpoint either. You're not a hero for being a doctor or a fireman, its just another job.

>>11556881
Total Recall is way better than the short story it's based on, and way better than it has any right to be when you look at all the elements separately.

>>11556544
>Overpopulation is a tremendous danger to civilization and the ecosphere. It makes every human-caused ecological problem bigger. Population growth has slowed but not stopped. The human population is expected to grow by 2 or 3 billion by 2050, and it is not clear how to find water and food for all those people. Population growth also increases the difficulty of curbing global heating.


Of all the reasons to not have kids, this is the dumbest of all. The earth will be fine. The earth isnt a sentient being, other animals will adapt and take the place in a new enviornment. the only people in danger because of this stuff is humans.

>>11556891
When people talk about the danger to the Earth, they're really talking about the danger to humanity. Nobody gives a fuck about the world aside from a few nutjobs.

>>11556884

It would be kickass if society invented a child-rearing solution which eliminated the need for marriage. Children being raised professionally, perhaps en masse, either by human or autonomous laborers. This is also excellent because bad parenting is one of the biggest problems holding humanity back.

>>11556891

>the only people in danger because of this stuff is humans.

That's the point retard

>>11556865
>>11556868
Actually, the intelligence part I'm not so sure of, but I do remember reading something about that. Your base intelligence (the capacity to learn, your ability to solve puzzles, etc., the sort of thing an IQ test measures) is mostly down to genetics. I could be getting confused with something else, but I'll do some digging if you'd like.

The other two I'm more sure of, though. Twin studies have shown that identical twins separated at birth have remarkably similar personalities, and I read a study that determined happiness is something like 50% genetic, 40% activity, 10% environment. I can find these studies if anyone is interested.

>>11556895
Children growing up without strong role models totally messes them up, though. There's a reason we still use the whole 2 parent family dynamic, because it's the only one that works.

>>11556901
who can say since it's never been tried in contemporary times

>>11556901

>Children growing up without strong role models totally messes them up, though.

No reason a laborer can't satisfy this need, or even that it needs to be a laborer. Also, objectively speaking, 'messed up' is just fear language for 'different.'

>>11556885
>Total Recall is way better than the short story it's based on

The same could be said of all Philip K. Dick movies. Except for Blade Runner.

>>11556903

trusting studies with things so underpinning to life isn't smart

dunno if you know this but studies are wrong ALL THE TIME

it's actualyl a huge problem with the current scientific community

>>11556909
>asuka looks bizarre without her electrodes
No, she looks gorgeous.

>>11556915

She looks more feminine, at least.

>>11556893
>Nobody gives a fuck about the world aside from a few nutjobs.

Dude, these people are legit:
http://vhemt.org/

>>11556907
>>11556909
What do you think happens to orphans? They get raised by the state. Kids like this very rarely amount to anything more than drug addicts.

>>11556918
Save the planet, kill yourself

>>11556914
I know, and I think this is especially a problem in psychology, but sometimes there are results which are statistically significant AND make sense.

>>11556920
What about people that grow up without a dad?
I've talked with people all over the internet and most under 25 never had a dad to teach them how to do the most basic things, leading them to become very self sustaining.

>>11556920

>What do you think happens to orphans? They get raised by the state.

No, they get raised by different parents from who they were originally raised by. Even if they were raised by professional child-rearing experts and turned out bad (something you have provided no evidence of) it's not evidence that they didn't simply used bad techniques.

>>11556544
>>11556891
http://overpopulationisamyth.com/
(I know how it sounds, give it a chance)

>>11556918
Their whole concept is incredibly poorly thought out. If everyone stopped reproducing, you'd wind up with a top heavy population, with no young people to support them. Even minor drops in fertility have major impacts on the elderly.

Far better to just nuke the planet from orbit.

>>11556928
I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmerFuzRNZ4

>>11556932

I don't trust any argument encapsulated in a cartoony/'viewer friendly'/funny form. These things have many of the traits of propaganda: they use comedy or emotional appeals to disguise shitty reasoning.

Anyway, overpopulation will eventually be a problem, even though it's not now. Humanity is going to last longer than just the next thousand years unless something unexpected happens like an uncurable epidemic or nuclear MAD or an unseen meteor slips past the point where we could steer it off course.

>>11556936
And now he has a worthless drop-out kid of his own.

>>11556939
Oh come one, still no Mitsuki? Please stick to Asuka.

I had a 3dpd gf for 4 years. It sucks, it's nothing like your japanese animes. 2D will always love you back, always.

>>11556932
I really dont care, my point was the earth alive so unless we blow it to dust it will be fine, meaning caring about overpopulation for reasons other than the wellbeing of human society is dumb.

>>11556936
>how come he don't want me man?

>>11556944
Thing is... nobody asked you though, dweeb.

>>11556585
That's not the same thing, being paid for something doesn't mean you aren't doing it to help people. If you weren't paid for it you couldn't do it, at least not to the same extent. Teaching or practicing medicine is a full time job, not something you can volunteer for on weekends and achieve the same result. Teaching in particular has a huge opportunity cost given the amount of training and work associated with it, so it's unlikely that many people are in it 'only for the money'.

>>11556903
I would really like to see those research results and how they were quantified/verified. When you explained base intelligence you gave examples of logic instead. Nowadays there isn't even a consensus on what intelligence really is, and some theories classify it in several different classes, namely:
Naturalist, Musical, Logical-Mathematical, Existential, Interpersonal, Bodily-Kinesthetic, Linguistic, Intra-personal and Spatial Inteligence.
Although there is some genetic involved, exposition and continual use of them is a major factor in the development of the aforementioned.

>>11556940

Huh?

Will Smith is incredibly 'successful' in the contemporary meaning of the word. Of course you can't know how happy he is or anything like that, so it's hard to operate on an unconventional definition, but your argument is very conventional so I assume the conventional definition works anyway. So, on the first count, if you're trying to say Will Smith is evidence that people without parents are less likely to be 'successful', under that definition it's a silly point.

Also, missing a parent and existing in a society where this is abnormal is totally different from the arrangement I proposed, of child-rearing professionals being the caregivers to large groups of children. Children can be 'traumatized' simply because something is different, or because they've been told it's abnormal/traumatizing - not necessarily because it would traumatize the child by itself.

>>11556957
I'm saying that the lack of a father figure in his own life has made him become the exact opposite to his own son. He's destroyed his son by spoiling him.

There's a careful balance you have to strike in child-rearing. And that becomes even harder when you're extremely successful.

>>11556939
>I don't trust any argument encapsulated in a cartoony/'viewer friendly'/funny form. These things have many of the traits of propaganda: they use comedy or emotional appeals to disguise shitty reasoning.

They have more in-depth articles (with citations) on the site itself. I suppose the videos are intended to be a more accessible overview. I have nothing wrong with making scientific evidence more approachable, and these videos are like a necessary evil.

>>11556946
Agreed. Forests don't care if we destroy them, it's their value to humans that makes them important. Though there's always the Gaia hypothesis...

>>11556947
THIS IS A STORY ALL ABOUT HOW...

>>11556939
>overpopulation will eventually be a problem, even though it's not now
Are you eating now? I guess you're going to starve to death then, because that 'will eventually be a problem'. Or maybe you're eating, in which case you'll die from overconsumption. Sorry buddy, you're fucked!
Point is, trends change over time. Population adapts to fit what the region can support; as it becomes possible to support a larger population the population grows, likewise the birth rate changes. There's no evidence of a problem here, human overpopulation is just something people imagine (outside of specific regional issues).

>>11556967
>I know this because I read some tabloids and twitter posts and consider myself an expert on child rearing

>>11556953
I think it was based specifically on IQ, something like a study that found you can only increase your IQ by x points. So of course, it depends on your opinion of IQ tests themselves.

I'm trying to comb through where I read it. I don't want or expect you to take my word for it, but that wasn't just me trolling/bullshitting for the sake of it. I'll keep digging.

>>11556981

What? I'm eating at a stable rate, so I'm not going to explode no matter how long I continue eating for. The world's population is ever-increasing. Logically, this will eventually become a problem.

Isn't there some place better you can discuss the pressing issues facing the human population such as overpopulation or whatever? /sci/ or some shit?

>>11556437
>By Anita Rani

a woman wrote this, how typical

>>11556988
That's reduction to absurdity. Population growth can stabilize on its own and technology can increase the maximum sustainable population, especially if you move beyond the earth. "It is possible that it may eventually become a problem" is a very different statement (and a largely pointless one) compared to "it will definitely be a problem in the foreseeable future".

>>11557001
By stereotyping, you're becoming the same kind of bigot she is.

>>11557005

>That's reduction to absurdity.

No it's not. It's totally conceivable and non-absurd that the world's population won't stop increasing even when people recognize that it is an impending and serious global issue. We know global warming is a problem yet we continue to produce near-identical levels of 'greenhouse gases' as a species.


>"it will definitely be a problem in the foreseeable future".

I didn't say this, and anyone who did is an idiot.

>>11557001
She's also about to present an entire "documentary" on the same topic. The article is just a prelude.

>>11557006

>By killing him, you'll be just as bad as he is.

>>11557005
>That's reduction to absurdity

u mena ``reductio ad absurdum''

>In the game he is a 15-year-old, though in reality he is 38.

>After school we meet at the gates and go home together... In the game I am 17."

These lines are less than 30 words apart. Holy shit, does anyone even proof-read their garbage?

>>11557013

In journalism, you either add or remove 10-20% from every numerical figure to make it more shocking, as long as nobody will find out about it. In this case he just didn't read it before he posted it.

>>11557012
SLEEEEP!!!

>>11557005
>reduction to absurdity

sounds like what happened to /jp/ am i right guys or what

>>11557008
>I didn't say this, and anyone who did is an idiot.
>overpopulation will eventually be a problem
Either you said it or you're arguing on behalf of someone who did.
Anyway, you're still missing the point. It's irrelevant whether it's 'conceivable' or not. It's conceivable that aliens will land on your roof tomorrow. The issue is whether there is evidence that it will happen. 'Continuing trends' are not significant evidence because trends constantly change in both the short and long term. In the case of overpopulation in particular, population increase isn't something people consciously choose to do or not. It's a product of many factors, such as how many children are necessary for the family or society and what costs are associated with them. Resource scarcity naturally decreases population growth rate because raising children becomes more expensive.

>>11557022
I had a crush on Tom Servo when I was younger, not even kidding.

>>11557006
its not a stereotype if its true anon

>>11557026

>overpopulation will eventually be a problem
>it (overpopulation) will definitely be a problem in the foreseeable future.

Let's play similarities and differences. You tell me what's different about these two sentences.

>>11557013
It's still funnier how it's apparently the first time she sees a DS.

Anyone watching the documentary in 2 minutes? BBC2.

>>11557013
>"It's the kind of relationship we wish we'd had at high school," says Nurikan.
>In the game he is a 15-year-old, though in reality he is 38.

>"As long as I have time, I'll continue the relationship forever," says Yuge, who is 39.
>"As she's at high school, she picks me up in the morning and we go to school together. After school we meet at the gates and go home together... In the game I am 17."

Are you trolling or do you not understand how written dialogue works?

Though I definitely think that she could have structured this better.

>>11557013

It's amazing how she puts so much emphasis on the fact that he's younger in the game. This article really is some thinly-veiled 'LOOK AT THE FREAK!' masturbation material for normies.

>>11557039
They're both 17 in the game. You don't choose your age in love plus.

stream here: http://anxietv.com/#!/Gee

>>11556791
>>11556813
>Chink

>>11557035
They use different words to communicate the same concept. The only difference is in tone. To compare:
>overpopulation could potentially be a problem in the future

>>11557054

That's not how you play the game! Try that again.

>>11557037
Is this ZUN's dad?

>>11557035
>>11557054
Or to put that differently:
>aliens will eventually land on your roof
>aliens will definitely land on your roof in the foreseeable future
>aliens could potentially land on your roof in the future
Could != will.

Oh god the documentary is actually hosted by Anita-chan too?

After that article, I don't think I'd trust a documentary by her.

Come on, BBC. There used to be a time when I could say you weren't identical to Channel 4.

>>11557037
I could barely stand reading her article, so listening to her talk for a hour would probably make me want to kill myself.

>>11557045
Yeah right I played Morrowind and my character was a trader even though there were no trader quests in that game. I must be delusional or something for having an imagination.

>>11557058
>The only difference is in tone

>>11557046
Thanks.

Well, there you go, people, she's just naturally a sensationalist tabloid reporter and a repulsive patronizing bitch no matter who she speaks to.

This is insulting. They're acting like Yubari is affected by a lack of child birth, but in reality it's because it's a coal mining town with no mines. The same thing happens all around the fucking world, there's no work so only old people still live there.

I wish they had gotten Konnie Huq instead.

>>11557063

If this bothers you, mentally parse every definitive statement I make as a declaration of likeliness rather than certainty. Of course there's no such thing as true certainty. I can't even be certain that you exist or that I'm not in a dream or other things. We use certain statements colloquially instead of agonizing over how sure we are of things.

Remember when the BBC used to make groundbreaking, informative and influential documentaries instead of sensationalist, freak show rubbish?

>>11557077
Imagine

AKA CHAN!

>>11557079
Okay. Enough of your shit, man.

>>11557079
Solipsism is real and you are the only conscious being that exists.

I am the only part of your consciousness that will tell you this, so please heed my words!

>>>/int/16289196

>>11557077
Ain't she married to Charlie Brooker now?

>>11557088
>Spelling civilazaton wrong

shameful

>>11557079
It's not a question of true certainty, it's a question of supporting evidence and likelihood. There is no evidence indicating that overpopulation will be a problem in, say, the next 25 years, or in the next 1000 (since there's no way to have any idea what might be going on at that point). As opposed to something like the sun rising in the morning or the supermarket restocking soft drinks, which have enough evidence that it's fair to say they will happen.

>>11557089
Every conversation with him eventually ends up like this, so I don't know why you bother.

>>11557092
Get out crossie

>>11557093
Yes. They met during an episode of Screenwipe where she made a pretend documentary about urination anxiety, including a scene featuring her using a Shewee (look it up).

I have no idea how it happened, but I like them both, so good for them.

>>11557096

>There is no evidence indicating that overpopulation will be a problem in, say, the next 25 years, or in the next 1000

Sure there is. If the current population growth rises, or even remains at its current rate, which is more likely to happen than population growth going negative, overpopulation will absolutely be a problem in the next 1000 years. I've told this to you in enough ways so this conversation is over.

>>11556967
Will Smith was raised by both of his parents in a middle class neighbourhood.

Problem is not about numbers (overpopulation) it's about how people live.

I love how freaked out she's getting about the idea of these guys role playing as teenagers.

>>11557094
This was back in the good old days of hipster, anti-American Britain, before people realized -ization wasn't even an Americanism.

>>11557101
>which is more likely to happen than population growth going negative
What is the first world? What is economics?
>overpopulation will absolutely be a problem in the next 1000 years
What is technology?

>>11557106

It's almost like people would rather be youthful, attractive, mostly free of burdens and healthy than old, pruned, unhealthy and perpetually fucked over by the world.

>>11557112

>What is [thing]?

stop using this meme here

leave your board's culture and language at the doormat

You know, if i could meet a weaboo girl who isn't totally disgusting and wasn't so much of a shutin that she refuses human contact i'd seriously date her.

Ah, i hate being alone.

>>11557122
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>11557120
Please use capitalization when you post in /jp/.

>>11557122

LOL

EVERYBODY LAUGH AT THE NORMIE

I was told this is the crossboarder thread?

Any fellow /v/irgins here?

>>11557129
It's just an ordinary terrible thread where all the people in /jp/ who don't post in any on-topic threads come out to play.

>>11557122
Don't lose hope blogdude, they exist.

Any sociology Otaku online?

>>11557122
get some help, sicko

>>11557129

>>11557134

Same, it makes me sick to my fucking stomach every time I log into /jp/ and see dozens of shitposts aside the real threads. These people think /jp/ is just a free-for-all where you post anything you want, woo hoo, posting party. No. /jp/ is for touhou and VNs and idols, these are the only real otaku things today, just ask a Japanese otaku and they will tell you. it's mainly touhou, idol groups and VNs that are otaku now.

>>11557141
Haha, go be retarded somewhere else before I fuck you up.

Any niggertaku here? (nigger otaku)

I am obsessed with niggers....

>>11557125
>>11557127
>>11557132
Gee, you know, i hate that 4chan is the only place i feel i fit in yet it's totally anti-social.

Oh hey, and that short hair girl in the blue jacket is cute. (slut)

>>11557134
Go back to your Cirno image dump thread, faggot. lol

>>11557140
jew enabler otaku?

>>11557144
Well I'm sorry.Maybe you'll have more luck fitting in at da club with your bros you fucking normie.

>>11557145
It's really sad that bashing people for having on-topic interests is no longer the sole domain of complete retards.

>>11557152
Christ. I forgot /jp/ was even more autist than /a/

>>11557151
No, what's sad is posting the same fucking images you picked up from danbooru for years.

>>11557046
Thanks

>>11557159
/jp/ and /a/ are the same board

>>11557164

>danbooru

The funny part is this isn't actually a joke, many of them have booru filenames

Don't forget that japanese woman are fugly, plain and rarely not irritating.

>>11557159
It's called lurking more, rather than being a dick and not caring for the fact you're unfamiliar with another board's culture. Hence why I only rarely post here.

>>11557159

Stop talking to me.

>>11557169
I'd say we have a fairly distinctive culture from /a/

Namely we focus our attention on pursuits worthy of our passion rather than childrens cartoons.

>>11557170

So what? Danbooru is handy, you can find pictures from multiple sources there and they're all properly tagged.

>>11557179
Like porn games?

>>11557169
Not really. I went there recently and some dude was surprised when I told him that I'm a shut-in.

>>11557179
Touhou dumps and being NEET you mean

>>11557182
/a/ has completely gone down the shitter since last year. It's pretty just an extension of reddit now, just like how it happened with /v/.

>>11557144
Would we get along as well in real life?

>>11557187
Pretty much this.

>>11557164
But that's not what I do. You, on the other hand, actually do bitch at people for not liking your shitty off-topic threads.

>>11557169
No, just threads like this.

>>11557177

It's RayWilliamJohnson or Reddit for pictures. It's a content aggregation service for people too stupid to find the images from their original source.

>>11557179
>>11557182
I have both frontpages opened all the time and can hardly tell them apart.

>>11556430
>giving your money to whores
lel

regarding the airing documentry. I'm surprised how fluent most of the japanese people she's talking to are.

Step it up Otaku industry, hire people who can talk English not Engrish.

>>11557194
Because getting them through pixiv or google searches is so much harder right?

Not to mention that uploading them to the boorus protects them from possible deletion by the artists.

>>11557191
This thread relates to otaku culture. Fuck off.

>>11557200
>uploading them to the boorus protects them from possible deletion by the artists.

You know what else does that? Downloading them.

>>11557194
Some of the images are no longer available from their original source or otherwise hard to get. And even if almost all of it comes from pixiv or nicoseiga, they also upload pictures from individual artist blogs, and sometimes scanned material.

>>11557200
>>11557202

just get a google drive and use it to mirror the pictures you want to 'safeguard'

or get a hard drive specifically to do it locally

>>11557201
What if I lose them after downloading them? Or I forgot to download them? What if I don't expect the artist to delete them?

>>11557206

What if *-booru shuts down?

>>11557203
The thread does, but the huge discussion about overpopulation and the right way to raise children was at best a tangent.

It'll be a real shame when Japan finally gives up and has to import mud people.

>>11557195
At a catalog level i suppose they are quite similar, but when you get to the threads as a primary citizen of /a/ i find /jp/ quite... alien really. And i've been part of /a/ for nearly a decade.

>>11557200
The real problem isn't that they're from booru. The problem is the same fucking pictures are being posted for years. And these autists actually enjoy that rather than discussing anything worth discussing even on-topic things.

Akibaranger!

>>11557221

So why not just download them to begin with?

>>11557210
I'm sure they'd put an advice telling people when they're closing down so that you have time to download the pictures you need. No reason to do that all of a sudden.

>>11557205
>>11557210
Yes, you could make your own local archive, but as long as an existing archival service exists I don't see why you should make fun of people for using it.

Not to mention all the pictures that were already deleted years ago.

>>11557194
You're stealing my gimmick.

I'd be honored, except you're getting more attention because you're an unoriginal 17-year-old ``/jp/ celebrity'' fagshit troll. Fuck you.

>>11557217
What is worth discussing for you isn't really worth discussing for others. I can't see why would you be interested in a crappy BBC documentary about a demographic change in Japan nobody is going to give a fuck about in a few decades.

>tfw louis theroux will never meet an otaku

>>11557222

the sites are shit is why

"pay $15/month to be able to search using two tags" is literally a thing on danbooru

this isn't mentioning the awful comments you have to look at to download an image

>>11557223

>>11557234
You don't have to look at the comments at all, as they are below the image. Pixiv allows you to search with as many tags as you like but their tagging is shit. They also host translations for EOPs.

>No Sex Please, We're Japanese

LOL TWEET @BBC IF YOU GET THE REFERENCE
(NOT THAT THE ESTEEMED MIDDLE-CLASS SIRS OF THE BBC WOULD WATCH SUCH CHANNEL 4 TIER FILM TRIPE UNIRONICALLY...LOL)

>>11557227

Actually, I'm all grown up now! 18 at last!

I tried to tell /jp/ when my birthday was, but you guys didn't get me a present in the end.

>>11557240
Here's a present for you

*whips out dick*

>>11556748
>That's really not much.
It is if your career is on the line.

>>11556751
>>11556755
No, I'm not kidding. You think blogs can fund international bureaus or work an investigative case for months on end?

>>11556754
This.

>>11556768
Hey, I'm a /jp/sie at heart. Don't blame me for criticizing people for rolling around in the same shit I'm rolling around in.

>>11556775
wow so edgy :DDDDD

>>11557229
Why are you assuming I'm defending this thread? I'm defending variation.

>>11557241

Oy, oy! Tell the goy! Tell him of the benefits of the Danbooru Golden Platinumstein pass! Buy now for only $25 per image search!

>>11557249
From who, exactly?

>>11557231
"Louis and the Otaku" would be pretty pointless.

"So you're telling me that you have no interest in real women, and you'd rather spend time with a virtual, 2D girlfriend?"
"Hai."
"Wouldn't you like a real girlfriend you can do real things together with?"
"Iie."
"Okay then, that's fine. Bye."
Documentary over.

>>11557249
Variation for the sake of variation isn't necessarily good. It's basically the same thing western countries are doing, destroying their own culture in the process

>>11557246

You sound like a dumb, naive kid who went into journalism and is too late to back out.

>>11557251
I haven't paid Danbooru a cent. I will, however, use their services for free. In any case, if you really insist on being able to search more than two tags at once you can write a code to do that for you. Or just batch download the portion of their site that you're interested in and make a local copy that you can search to your heart's content.

>>11557259
The shit is it's on topic. So what the fucks the problem?

>>11557241

You don't 'have' to look at ads, yet people with the knowledge to do so still block them. Having unpleasant things in proximity to what you want to see is bad.

>>11556801
>Golly gee, General Motors sure are swell!
Who the hell says that anymore seriously

>Also a rape happened
Crime reporting, especially w/r/t rape is actually a big pull. My paper usually reports on most cases that make it to court

>but we can't write about it because of contemporary social standards
I'm sorry you have to live in Utah

>Buy Lux Toilet Soap!
Ads make up anywhere from 50% to 80% of newspaper revenues. No one wants to pay $20 for a daily

>>11557259
But it's pretty clearly a good thing for basically everyone aside from the poor fuckers who have to live next to brown people.

In reality, mass immigration is the only feasible response to plummeting birth rates.

>>11557264
>if you really insist on being able to search more than two tags at once you can write a code to do that for you
>or scrape the site and sort locally

and get rangebanned from the site permanently like the last guy who tried to circumvent the Danbooru Premium Plonker Pass' constraints

>>11557266
A lot of shit could be theoretically on topic since Otaku is an umbrella term for pretty much anything considered nerdy in the west

>>11557267
Ads block your screen, they delay your videos, and they play audio when you don't want to hear it. If they didn't do that a lot of people really wouldn't give a shit.

If you had to scroll past them to get to the content, I'd understand, but you don't. All you have to do is not scroll down, same as YouTube (which won't even load comments if you don't.)

>>11557264
>I haven't paid Danbooru a cent. I will, however, use their services for free.

You said it bro. I browse Ebaumsworld and Funny Junk for the hilarious pictures, and I haven't paid them a dime! I even use adblock, so that totally makes it okay to use a for-profit content aggregation site that illegally hosts artists' content without their permission in order to generate premium account and ad revenue. I'm totally amoral, so I don't care about any of that stuff >:)

>>11557223
I never thought I'd see Yuyushiki on the BBC. If only it was Kinmoza.

>>11557279

>If they didn't do that a lot of people really wouldn't give a shit.

I would still block ads even if they didn't block my screen, delay videos, or play audio.

Source: I'm a people. See? I'm already citing better than 'journalists'.

>>11557286

Who?

>>11557281
Listen at this loser parroting everything Maddox says

>>11557011
Oh god, I think I know this guy...

>>11557269
If your reading comprehension is this bad you should stop talking about journalism.

>>11557281
>I'm totally amoral, so I don't care about any of that stuff >:)
Well, I don't. I download shit all the time, for free, from people who would really rather I paid for it.

If you have adblock you're just leeching their bandwidth anyway.

>>11557284
You're 17 who cares. Tell me what fallacy this is.

>>11557279
This is why I like the idea of "acceptable ads".

>>11557246
>if your career is on the line

Possibly, but it's not my career that's on the line.

It's not doing much to assure me that what I'm getting is factual and well-researched. In which case I could just as well read blogs. It's not like I don't try to verify things I read in independent sources before I believe them.

>>11557290
Don't tell me you actually give a shit about the moral implication of copyright infringement.
Do you also buy all the anime you watch?

>>11557284
Do you think you can come off your high horse for a minute or two you condescending autist?
You remind me of your typical high school nerd who corrects you everytime you make the slightest error

>>11557303
You should just stop paying attention to it.

>>11557299

I don't buy anime because they don't release anime where I live, so it must be imported, and it won't have subtitles. I can either pay nothing for day-1 subtitled anime or pay out the ass a few months later for an unlocalized physical copy.

Anyway, individual artists are hurting way more for cash than anime production companies, so on a moral level, of course I find danbooru despicable. But the reason I don't use it is simply because it's shit and I don't need any of the services it offers.

>>11557304
I think that's just worse with those kind of people because they keep looking for more ways to get your attention

>>11557311
>I don't buy anime because they don't release anime where I live, so it must be imported, and it won't have subtitles. I can either pay nothing for day-1 subtitled anime or pay out the ass a few months later for an unlocalized physical copy.
So why don't you do just that?

Individual artists don't directly make money by having Pixiv accounts anyway, so I don't see how your developed moral sense and not visiting Danbooru helps him in any way.

>>11557299
I'm assuming you linked the wrong post there, so I'll bite.

I see nothing wrong with getting things for free or making things convenient, but I do take fault with profit going to the wrong people. The Danbooru guys don't create content, they take other people's without their permission. Even if your argument is that it's a convenient service, the money isn't going to the people who make it convenient (e.g. the taggers, submitters, etc.) it's going to the people who run the site. People aren't paying for a GitHub repository, they're paying so they can get more artwork, which wasn't drawm by the Danbooru staff.

Artists opt in to services like Pixiv. If Pixiv runs ads, the artists are agreeing to that (even if they're lazy and don't read the terms of service). Danbooru is just like Reddit, Tumblr, etc.--it takes other people's content and generates revenue for the creators of the site, when really that money should be going to the people who actually made the content.

>>11557319

>Individual artists don't directly make money by having Pixiv accounts anyway

and?

>>11557325
Why does it matter at all that individual artists aren't rolling in cash at all, then? No money is going to them whether you use Pixiv or Danbooru to access their work.

>>11557322
>Even if your argument is that it's a convenient service, the money isn't going to the people who make it convenient (e.g. the taggers, submitters, etc.) it's going to the people who run the site.
These people, at least, opted in.

>>11557330

>No money is going to them whether you use Pixiv or Danbooru to access their work.

um

no, this is wrong

>>11557260
Yes I have ruined my life. Please use me as an example of what happens to NEETs who try to reform.

>>11557292
???
Nigga this is 4chan, I just go on here to shitpost, talk about 2hus, talk about VNs, and shitpost about 2hus and VNs.

(Also, most journalists aren't terribly bright. We just get a pass because we write for normies and not autistic system administrators. Please understand this.)

>>11557332
I've never heard of Pixiv having an ad revenue sharing program, although admittedly I never checked.

>>11557319
>Individual artists don't directly make money by having Pixiv accounts anyway

Right, but that's what they signed up for. Maybe they want their work to be out in the open, even shared. But I doubt many artists are pleased their work is being sold without their permission. The scapegoat here is that you're paying for "a service", but that service pretty much is other people's creations.

The idea that you can do whatever you want as long as you give credit is just retarded. If I wrote an article and people shared it, I would be flattered. But if someone sold that article to a newspaper or magazine, I'd feel pretty ripped off, even if it had my name in the byline.

Free = good, shareable = good, taking money for other people's work = bad, not just legally but ethically. There's a difference between file sharing and "Want to download Game.of.Thrones.S02E03.mkv even faster? Give us money now!"

>>11557284
If I was your editor I would personally drag you into the middle of the news room for summary execution if you cited yourself as a source.

You are worse than the tengu for christ sakes.

>>11557342
>If I wrote an article and people shared it, I would be flattered. But if someone sold that article to a newspaper or magazine, I'd feel pretty ripped off, even if it had my name in the byline.
What if they pasted it to a website like 4chan or a political discussion forum, so that the admin could get his grubby mitts on more ad revenue?

>There's a difference between file sharing and "Want to download Game.of.Thrones.S02E03.mkv even faster? Give us money now!"
You might be offended as an artist or a writer, but the people who produce an HBO series only care insofar as it hurts their bottom line.

>>11557330
>No money is going to them whether you use Pixiv or Danbooru to access their work.
Danbooru (and all content aggregators) rob creators of page views that can be then monetized in any number of ways.

Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that the people who curate the *boorus don't follow any guidelines in the content that gets the go ahead

>>11557330
this is the same for pirated music, movies, etc. only because there is a content creator/artist out there and is consumed doesn't automaticly mean that he would have gotten that money otherwise or even "deserves" to be payed/make a living of it. the market is just getting to big and no one has that much disposable income.

>>11557361
You aren't entitled to a video game if the price is too high.

>>11557358
Obviously Danbooru and Pixiv monetize artists' content directly through ad views, but the only way that a Pixiv artist can really monetize his own page views is by advertising his own products. Since you weren't going to be buying any of that shit anyway it doesn't matter.

>>11557358
They do have some guidelines. If an artist requests that his work be removed from the website, they will do it. It's just that none of them bother because they don't know Danbooru exists.

>>11557366
too bad most games suck nowdays. gotta thank normies who actually buy that shit so there is even a market for this.

>>11557368
In most other circumstances the artist would still receive revenues for his content being exhibited. Why is it different on the internet?

>>11557351
>What if they pasted it to a website like 4chan or a political discussion forum, so that the admin could get his grubby mitts on more ad revenue?

If it was just a message board, fine. 4chan has a lot of stuff taken from elsewhere, but the main content we all come here for is the quality discussion (except Touhou image dumpers, those guys are the worst).

The problem is that the primary content of Danbooru is the images. And they aren't just giving you those images, they're restricting your access to them in artificial ways to earn money. Three ANDs in an SQL query isn't going to send their bandwidth bills through the roof, but you can only search for two tags so they can charge for premium accounts. And if you want to see works with certain tags, you need to pay money. Does this money go to the creators of those works? Nope, it goes to the people responsible for those arbitrary restrictions.

>>11557361
This. Getting something for free isn't necessarily one less sale, and it definitely isn't theft. But a content aggregator taking someone else's content without their permission and then generating revenue from it is wrong. If that revenue goes anywhere, it should go to the content creator or publisher, or at least a service the content creator signed up for.

>>11557389
>quality discussion

Oh, so you're on of THOSE guys.

>>11557382
Because the artist is content with Pixiv as a platform with which to display his works, view other people's works, and communicate with other users, without feeling the need to also make money from having a page.

So basically, because he agreed to do it for free.

>>11557389
I would actually be pretty annoyed if I knew Danbooru was getting filthy rich but I have no idea what their finances are like. I guess I should be offended by their business practices regardless? I just don't care enough. Like I said, they aren't getting anything from me anyway.

>>11557389
What part of "you aren't entitled to play a video game for free" don't you understand?

>>11557412
He never said he was.

>>11557407
>So basically, because he agreed to do it for free.
His agreement is with the people who own pixiv. He didn't agree to anything with anyone else.

>>11557419
>Getting something for free isn't necessarily one less sale, and it definitely isn't theft.
This is a justification for entitled pirates.

>>11557424
The circumstances for a Pixiv artist are that he receives zero money from anyone. This fact is unchanged whether Danbooru exists or not.

>>11557401
I was being silly but the primary focus of message boards is to read and post messages.

>>11557407
>I guess I should be offended by their business practices regardless? I just don't care enough. Like I said, they aren't getting anything from me anyway.

Well, you're free to not care. It's the same deal with the eBaum's World stuff from whenever that was. So what if a company is making money from other people's content? It doesn't affect you, blah blah blah.

I'm not about to set out on an internet crusade, but I do think it's a shitty thing to do. The least they could do is set up a scheme where that money goes back to the artists. I actually think the same thing about 4chan Passes and Something Awful accounts: moot and Lowtax could easily pump that revenue back into the people providing the content people care about. But again, we know the score and what we're paying for. Most Pixiv artists don't know their work is essentially being sold, and most Danbooru users aren't paying for a flag that removes an if statement, they're paying so they can see other people's lolicon artwork.

>>11557430
Too bad this is an image board, not a message board, so the focus is on the pictures. You can always use the textboard if you think images endager your "quality discussion"

>>11557427
Both of those claims can be used as a justification for entitled pirates, but they're also true statements. Copyright infringement has existed for centuries, as a crime distinct from theft.

>>11557435
4chan is an even shittier image repository than Danbooru.

>>11557429
When you sign up for Pixiv, you are agreeing that they can run ads and you will receive no money. Most artists are fine with this, because that's not what they use Pixiv for. So they've agreed to that service. I'm sure plenty of artists have disagreed with those terms and refused to sign up for Pixiv, maybe because they could monetize their content elsewhere.

Danbooru just doesn't give a fuck. They host people's work regardless of what the author wants, and the money goes entirely to the site owners.

>>11557429
Danbooru saps views to the pixiv page proper. The artist has comparatively little control over the content and presentation of his art on Danbooru. This takes opportunities from the artist as a result.