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Rosa and George, who committed the crime.

> gave him the gold

Umineko is a big piece of edgy shit, you should be ashamed to have read this forced garbage

>>11471726
The Nazi's.

>>11471735
What's wrong, Anon? Too deep for you?

>>11471680
Why would you reread it? It's babbys first VN and is pretty much the Evangelion of VNs. Think about that and go back to the corner

Beatrice, who did it with magic.

Remember the 6 million before you throw me, trashman.

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEATORIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICHE!

YAMI WO KIRISAKU

OHDESIRE

>>11471764
It's also completely wrong. He says that Italy fought bravely, but I've seen Hetalia.....

Get a life loser.

>>11472141
Italy was the most incompetant force in the war. They were getting curbstomped everywhere and the Germans had to pretty much bail them out everywhere

>>11471680
>Then there's the child of Beatrice 2 and Kinzo. That's Kanon/Shannon/Yasu/Beato, right? And also the character Clair represents?
No.
>>11471700
This. Also Nanjo and maybe Genji.

Season 2 Anime When ?

>>11472244
Hopefully never

>>11472244
>>11472315
Higurashi still gets OVAs, but they can't be bothered to even finish Umineko. Do the Japs dislike it for some reason?

>>11472803
>Do the Japs dislike it for some reason?
only weebs that have nothing else to read like it.

>>11472803
>Do the Japs dislike it for some reason?
Your new is showing. Go back to /vn/

>>11471680
>So we have Beatrice Castiglioni, the woman Kinzo met and who "gave him the gold". What happened to her, how did she die?
Natural unnatural causes.
Irrelevant to the story, she just died.

>Then we have Beatrice the second, the daughter of Beatrice Castiglioni and Kinzo. Is this the Beatrice that Rosa accidentally got killed? Is this also the Beatrice of the Golden Witch legend?
She was a Beatrice but not the Beatrice we know on the Gameboard.
She was only born 6 years before Battler came back.

>Or is it still possible that Rudolf's secret is something else?
It isn't.

Battler's red in episode 4(?) was that he was named Battler and that there was someone named Battler (the kid who is dead) but that he isn't born from Usumu.

You can't get any more confirmation than that.

His name is battler, a battler existed and has a mother named Asumu but the Battler we know does not come from Asumu.


>Then there's the child of Beatrice 2 and Kinzo. That's Kanon/Shannon/Yasu/Beato, right? And also the character Clair represents?

There is no proof Yasu existed.

Lion is the genderless baby that died in the ditch.

>How do the four Ushiromiya siblings fit in, they were all children Kinzo had with a woman after he'd met Beatrice Castiglioni? What happened to their mother?

All born from Kinzo's ''official'' wife.

>>11472937
>All born from Kinzo's ''official'' wife.
All of Kinzo's children save Rosa were born before he went to war and met Beatrice.

>>11472963
Wouldn't it be funny if Rosa was actually born from Beatrice?

That would be the ultimate irony.

>>11473057
Unlikely, since Rosa is several years younger than the Kuwadorian Beatrice and Italian Beatrice died shortly after Kuwadorian Beatrice was born.

>>11472803
Please respond.

>>11472803
>>11473164
Umineko sold like shit and was shit.

Ryukishi thought that you only needed ep 1-4 to solve the mystery. Why bother with something that isn't part of the mystery.

Ep 5-8 are fanfics created with the commulation of both Tohya and mystery fans. Ep 1-4 were created by Beatrice and Tohya independently and are more accurate to solve the mystery than ep 5-8 which is why those first episode got an anime and the rest do not need an adaptation though it would be fun to see Erika and Will animated.

>>11473208
>Ryukishi thought that you only needed ep 1-4 to solve the mystery. Why bother with something that isn't part of the mystery.
I knew that he claims that, but did he really decline to finish the anime just because he thought it could be solved in the first 4 eps? I've never heard of anyone doing that (especially not the anime, though I admit that I haven't watched it since /jp/ told me not too). Surely he can't be that arrogance (well, after EP 8, maybe).

>Ep 5-8 are fanfics created with the commulation of both Tohya and mystery fans. Ep 1-4 were created by Beatrice and Tohya independently and are more accurate to solve the mystery than ep 5-8 which is why those first episode got an anime and the rest do not need an adaptation though it would be fun to see Erika and Will animated.
Bullshit. Legend and Turn were Beato's, the others were all Toyha and Hanyuu (except maybe 7, who knows what the fuck that was).

>>11473700
>Bullshit.
Re-read the VN. 5 is ambiguous, but 6, 7 and 8 were fanfics.

>>11473700
Ep 1-2 were Beato, ep 3-4 were Tohya, ep 5-6 was Tohya working with Mystery fans who were pissed that Battler was an incompitent fool and wanted their own detective in the story so they can have their mystery solved rather than let however the author wants Battler to miss information.

Ep 7 was ?????

Ep 8 was the mystery fans (to note that Bern is the collective consciousness of mystery fans) presenting their own gameboard mystery version of Rokkenjima with the approximate answer they think happened on the island (tea party 7) and Tohya solving it and calling it out on it.
All the while Tohya being conflicted about giving the answer or not and deciding not to give the solution in the end.

The only episode other than 1-4 that can be accepted is ep 5 but it's only half completed because the mystery fans stopped playing the moment they agreed on an answer.
The trial in that episode is eerily similar to a forum agreement of deciding the culprit of the episode.

>>11473700
>>11473710
>>11473833
Ep7 was written by Willard H Wright, a very perceptive and disillusioned NEET with a cat. When he asked his cat's opinion on the his fanfic, she scratched him.

What if Ange wrote everything?

>>11472937
>Lion is the genderless baby that died in the ditch.

And that genderless baby was the baby that Kinzo had after raping his daughter.

The only thing you need to know about Umineko is that it is shit.
If you have that in mind, you might be able to enjoy it.

>>11473879
Doubt it.

The underlying theme of the story is to move on in life.

The VN was written by Tohya for Ange to let go of her fruitless quest to find the truth. To just accept the past and move on.

If Ange wrote it, it would defeat the purpose of the theme.

>>11473856
>Willard H Wright
He's a fictional character.

The only thing I don't understand is who or what Will represents (yes I know he's the ideal personification of Battler but it doesn't explain what the fuck he's doing in ep7 if it wasn't written by Tohya)

I still can't wrap my head around who wrote ep 7. To me, it's really the only mystery left in Umineko.

If Bern represents the mystery fans seeking a solution to Rokkenjima, how did they find the past history of Kinzo? Who told them? How did they find out? If Tohya wrote the story, how did he know?

That whole episode makes no sense to me metaphorically.

>>11474126
>If Bern represents the mystery fans seeking a solution to Rokkenjima, how did they find the past history of Kinzo?
Internet investigation. Besides, they were wrong about Kinzo's backstory. It's very heavily hinted in episode 4 and outright stated in the tea party of episode 7 that Kinzo and Beatrice killed all the soldiers on the island for the gold whereas the gameboard in episode 7 paints them as victims of circumstance caught up in a battle of greed between the Japanese and Italians which conveniently leads to everyone dying but the pair themselves.

>>11474146
>Internet investigation.
That makes sense.

I still feel that it's missing something because if Kinzo and Beatrice killed everyone, where did they find the information?
I don't know, that whole episode lacks content and explanation overall.

>>11474223
>where did they find the information?
Filled in the blanks.

>>11474244
With what?

How the hell did they find out that Italy send a submarine with 10 tons of gold to japan?
How did they figure out that someone named Beatrice was on it?
How did they even find out about Lion, or even create a hypothetical scenario to which he/she lived?

It does make sense if the internet just found some information on Italy just trying to suggle gold out of the country and they connected the dots and created a bunch of bullshit but it really seems too vague for me.

And how did Will solve the mystery? Who the fuck is Will and how did he solve the mystery if Tohya wasn't present at all?

I really wish I had an answer to that.

>>11474311
>With what?
The same way we're doing now. Speculation, discussion, etc. It's all a catbox dude.
>How the hell did they find out that Italy send a submarine with 10 tons of gold to japan?
Hacking into old war records.
>How did they figure out that someone named Beatrice was on it?
Same way as above. Keep in mind that they know about Beatrice from the rumours on the island.
>How did they even find out about Lion, or even create a hypothetical scenario to which he/she lived?
Fucked if I know. Perhaps Tohya, with his memories of Battler regained, contributed in some way. Which brings me to my next point
>And how did Will solve the mystery? Who the fuck is Will and how did he solve the mystery if Tohya wasn't present at all?
I like to believe Will is most likely Tohya's replacement for the incompetent Battler with a competent self insert. I don't think it's a coincidence that Will and Battler never meet in episode 7.

>>11473879
What if Eva wrote it all just to fuck with Ange's head?

>>11474324
What if Kinzo isn't dead?

>>11474361
What if Kinzo escaped the island and became Toyha by using magic?

>>11474419
What if Battler mastered magic, traveled back in time and became Kinzo and became his own grandfather!?!?!?!

>>11474498
What if Kinzo fucking Battler who happened to be Battler who traveled back in time who fucked Battler in the process of fucking his wife and later fucking all family member causing Battler to create a time machine to go back and become Kinzo?

Someone explain to me how the locker room murder of Eva and Hideyoshi in EP1 was constructed.

Also, what happened to the sage function?

Someone explain to me how the locked room murder of Eva and Hideyoshi in EP1 was constructed.

Also, what happened to the sage function?

What if Bice never existed and Genji was really Kinzo's beloved? Then there was a love triangle between Nanjo, Kinzo, and Genji?

>>11474539
Alright, here you go, completely blunt truth here (seriously, this is a fucking spoiler, and you're a goat if you read it; this is really very simple - are you sure you want to do this?): There was no closed room. Kanon claims to have cut the chain right before the family arrived, but he really cut it earlier, killed them, then had Genji give him an alibi.

>>11474539
Depends on what theory you believe.

Shkanontrice says that Kanon and Genji cut the chain before anyone arrived, killed Eva and Hideyoshi, draw the magic circle and then when everyone arrived they said that the chain was locked when they arrived and no one answered the door (the chain is never seen intact by a reliable perspective).

Rosatrice has George knock on the door and ask to be let in, which Eva obliges too (George being probably the only person they would let into the room and trust completely in this situation). George then murders them and hides in the room. Kanon and Genji arrive and then leave to go get the saw to cut the chain, Rosa then sneaks in, swaps places with George, draws the magic circle and hides under the bed.

>>11474552
What does Gohdatrice theory say?

>>11474555
Probably something similar to Rosatrice, since Gohda 'died' in the first twilight but his actual death status is ambiguous.

>>11474555
The Magical Gohda Chef got them to open the door by wafting the scent of delicious, crispy stew under the door, then murdered them in cold blood.

>>11474550
Hm was that the sequence of events? I thought he cut the chain in front of other witnesses.
Regardless, is there a list of confirmed accomplices? Genji and Nanjo are without a doubt, but what about Kumasawa, Gohda or Kyrie? It's heavily implied that they are, but on the other hand, it seems to make no sense for them to remain faithful to the culprit even after seeing their fellow accomplices get struck down one after another.

And, seriously, what happened to sage?

>>11474573
>Regardless, is there a list of confirmed accomplices? Genji and Nanjo are without a doubt, but what about Kumasawa, Gohda or Kyrie?
Well, most would say Kumasawa, Genji, and Nanjo as constant accomplices, but my theory is that Rudolf and Kyrie were up to something. Ange got a safe-deposit box full of money just like Kumasawa's retarded son and Nanjo's son, but supposedly Ange had just gotten sick that very day so Yasu shouldn't have been able to know that she would survive.

Other than that, the set of accomplices changes every time. In EP 1 it was Eva and Hideyoshi, who thought it was a game, EP 2 was Rosa, who knew it was murder, and Gohda, who is fucking stupid and probably thought it was a game. EP 3 has Natsuhi and Krauss, who, according to that TIP that outlines the accomplice system, did it to protect Jessica. EP 4 would have been Kyrie and Rudolf, and shit got way out of hand quick.

>And, seriously, what happened to sage?
Read the news page.

>>11474585
>talking as if Shkanontrice is fact
Goat please.
>>11474573
The only accomplices are George and Nanjo. Genji isn't an accomplice but he just lets things happen because Rosa is the head and he's pretty much done with life by this point anyway. In some games people are coerced into helping Rosa but they are quickly isolated and murdered in this situation.

>>11474555
Godhatrice knocks on the door, presents food, miscuts the food and happens to kills them and relocks the chain from the outside because tall people can do that.

>>11474573
>it seems to make no sense for them to remain faithful to the culprit even after seeing their fellow accomplices get struck down one after another.
Oh, right, didn't address that. YASU HAS CONTROL OF A FUCKING BOMB MADE OUT OF 100 TONNES OF WAR MUNITIONS AND DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SETTING IT OFF. I'm sure that was mentioned a time or two in the negotiations. It's also why Rosa decided to abandon everything when she finds Shannon's corpse, cruelly kicking Battler out and rushing to get a gold bar and run into the sea.

>>11474598
Goat, don't call me a fucking goat. But while you're here, tell me the Rosatrice explanation of the safe deposit boxes, specifically why Ange received one.

>>11474598
What is Rosatrice? Is this new? I've never heard of it before. Is there a compendium detailing the specifics of the theory?

>>11474608
>tell me the Rosatrice explanation of the safe deposit boxes
Rosa arranges money to be delivered to the victims the same way Shannon does. Rosa could've done it from the island or even from the airport with a simple phonecall as soon as she knew Ange would not be attending.
>>11474611
https://sites.google.com/site/ralphmerridew/umineko-explained

>>11474611
There's a nine hour (yes, nine hours) long video on Youtube video about it, made by an autistic Dutchman who likes propositional logic. It's not so great. It'll make more sense if you refrain from reading for about six months so that all the details are gone from memory.

>>11474613
What accomplice does she have off the island that she can simple call, that will do shit as absurd as mailing shit with the return address, yet loyal enough to not just steal the money?

>>11474613
Sending it via a phone call wouldn't explain the handwriting on the envelope, which was said to be identical to "Beatrice's". But of course, that still doesn't explain the motive behind sending it at all.

Umineko is just an overrated piece of shit written by a moralfag.
The hidden message is "don't ask what happened".

Episode 1 is : "holy fuck people died like that."
Episode 2 is : "or maybe it happened like that?"
Episode 3 is : "or like that?"
Episode 4 is : "plot twist faggot"
Episode 5 is : "that girl care about what happened"
Episode 6 is : "we don't"
Episode 7 is : "conspiracy fags are in the place"
Episode 8 is : "there's no fucking answer, don't you understand?"

>>11474617
>>11474621
>What accomplice does she have off the island that she can simple call, that will do shit as absurd as mailing shit with the return address, yet loyal enough to not just steal the money?
How does Shannon do it then? You defend your argument by saying it would be impossible for Rosa because she would have no way of planning ahead but the same applies equally to Shannon as even if Rudolf and Kyrie are accomplices (something that has never been confirmed by R07 who Shkanonfags follow like nobodies business), even Rudolf and Kyrie could not have predicted in advance that Ange would get sick. It's very possible Rosa sent the letters from the airport too. Shannon, however, being on the island for several days in advance, is in even less of a position to act than Rosa is in the event something unexpected comes up in regards to the letters.

>>11474629
>even Rudolf and Kyrie could not have predicted in advance that Ange would get sick
Haha. Are you for real?

>>11474625
Please recommend some non-overrated peices of shit VNs.

>>11474636
If you want to use Ange's history of illness as a defense for your argument then Rosa would also have been aware of this and could've prepared a spare letter in case Ange did not arrive and sent it at the airport or not have sent it depending on whether Ange showed up.

If you're suggesting Rudolf and Kyrie lied about Ange being ill to keep her off the island then this is disproven by Battler and Ange herself who both confirm they were ill on that day. Now you have to include Battler is an accomplice and Ange as lying to the reader.

>>11474629
>Rudolf and Kyrie could not have predicted in advance that Ange would get sick
Yes, Kyrie the sociopath, who had complete control over her child's diet, could not possibly have predicted, or even caused(!), her sickness. It's not like it was HIV, it was diarrhea, easily done with a few OTC pills.

>>11474639
All VNs are overrated.
Any moron can make a game with scrolling text.

The only difference is the story, and given that we're all stuck with shitty translation, all VNs suck.

>>11474643
Is there any evidence for this? No? Then it's left to the catbox. Considering Ange has a history of illness known to the family and there is no evidence for YOUR theory, I see no reason why it should be given higher merit than any of mine.

>>11474625

>>11474643
>Kyrie the sociopath
Stop making shit up.

>>11474651
Makes complete sense. I always found him suspicious.
Either he's useless, or he's fucking shit up (referring to the masquerade with the detective in the last episode).

>>11474641
No, what I'm saying is that it was not a matter of prediction, but a matter of execution. It goes without saying that if Rudolph and Kyrie were to become accomplices in a mass murder, they'd want to keep their daughter away from the scene. Note that the only evidence given about Ange's illness was that she "vomitted the morning of the family conference". In case you didn't know, very vomitting is easily induced, especially by people who prepare your food.

>>11474649
Well if you want to play it like that then we shall. I don't have to explain how Ange got anything because Shkanon doesn't claim to limit the number of accomplices. I could have everyone except Battler be an accomplice and it would be fine. Rosatrice, however, does make an assertion as to the number of accomplices, that being only Nanjo and George. As for mailing it from the airport, am I to suppose that Rosa really stuffed hundreds of millions into bank vaults, *just in case* Ange might get sick? You'd have to fucking crazy to go to that length! And if you're that crazy, why fucking do it at all?

>>11474660
>In case you didn't know, very vomitting is easily induced, especially by people who prepare your food.
That's based off an assumption for which there is no evidence. If the only evidence about Ange's illness was that she 'vomited the morning of the family conference' then there's nothing disproving she didn't vomit the day before that and the day before that. Perhaps she'd been vomiting on and off for several weeks. This is another assumption. I'm not saying your theory is invalid, but mine isn't either, both exist within the catbox, which means I have an explanation and you have an explanation therefore neither of our theories are disproved by this one point, therefore you cannot say "a letter arrived for Ange therefore Rosa could not possibly be Beatrice".
>>11474666
> As for mailing it from the airport, am I to suppose that Rosa really stuffed hundreds of millions into bank vaults, *just in case* Ange might get sick?
Well she is intending to kill herself and does believe in magic to some extent so...

>>11474666
>Well if you want to play it like that then we shall. I don't have to explain how
OH BOY HERE WE GO.

>>11474652
How? It's pretty clear that Kyrie is a scheming, murderous cunt from a yakuza family. (So scheming in fact, given that she spent twelve years planning the murder of a single woman, which makes EP7 Tea Party look even more ridiculous).

>>11474670
>That's based off an assumption for which there is no evidence. If the only evidence about Ange's illness was that she 'vomited the morning of the family conference' then there's nothing disproving she didn't vomit the day before that and the day before that
The fact that everyone had planned on her coming, and all of the details point to the fact that it was a new episode. If it was innocent, why lie to Battler about it?

>I have an explanation and you have an explanation therefore neither of our theories are disproved by this one point, therefore you cannot say "a letter arrived for Ange therefore Rosa could not possibly be Beatrice".
After Rosa arrives late to the airport, does she ever leave Battler's sight? To the best of my knowlege, they left pretty quickly after that. I suppose you could say it was George, who was supposedly either taking a shit or practicing his proposal, but why would he care? I suppose it could be to please Rosa, but he doesn't seem to care a whole lot about what she thinks in Rosatrice.

>>11474673
He started it!

>>11474670
No, your defense doesn't make any sense. Whether Ange was actually sick or not is only going to spare Kyrie some extra work to fake her daughter's illness. This is completely different from the assertion that no explanation is necessary for the letter that Ange received because "everything is in the catbox".

There is both physical evidence disproving the notion that Rosa sent the letter upon discovering Ange's absence (letter was sent several days prior to the conference, handwriting on envelope identical to "Beatrice's") and there is a complete absence of motive for Rosa to be sending such a letter to Ange in the first place. Unless these questions are answered, you can't claim that the Rosatrice theory has equal standing with the Shkannontrice theory in the cat box.

The epitaph is so stupid. Only a retard would hide his fortune behind something as foolish as "LORD U". If Kinzo were alive today I bet he'd be using his birthday as his password.

>>11474703
Beato was much better. She used two birthdays to make her PIN. Much more secure.

>>11474690
>The fact that everyone had planned on her coming
They did, but nobody is surprised by the fact she didn't come, because her illness is known to the group.
>After Rosa arrives late to the airport, does she ever leave Battler's sight?
We never entirely see Battler's perspective during the airport scene. It wouldn't be hard to excuse oneself during this time. George definitely does this when he goes to practise his proposal in the bathroom.
>>11474695
>There is both physical evidence disproving the notion that Rosa sent the letter upon discovering Ange's absence (letter was sent several days prior to the conference, handwriting on envelope identical to "Beatrice's") and there is a complete absence of motive for Rosa to be sending such a letter to Ange in the first place.
These same problems arise in Shkanontrice too. Shkanontrice theory, or the official theory, never has rudolf and kyrie as Shannon's accomplices. If you are intending to include them as accomplices then you are going against the official theory just as I am, you realise this?

Regardless, Rosa could've still sent the letter and if Ange did show up, she would've died and the letter would never have arrived so there's no harm in sending it in case Ange can't show up. Furthermore, it is an assumption to say that Ange's letter was sent several days prior to the conference and the hadnwriting on the envelope was identical to Beatrice's because Ange never inspects the letter she receives, she only has a vague memory of it. The assumption that Ange's letter was identical to that received by Kumasawa and Nanjo's family is just that, an assumption.

>>11474703
Well, it's only understandable since his secret question wouldn't fit in the form.

>>11474710
And with that, I'm going to bed. Goodnight /jp/.

>>11474710
>Shkanontrice theory, or the official theory, never has rudolf and kyrie as Shannon's accomplices.
I thought the official theory had Kyrie as an accomplice?

>>11474706
That's another thing! Rosatrice claims that Nanjo wrote 07151129 on the door so his son could find the number and hope to get the money? He would have had to know about the bomb, so why would he have done this?

>>11474710
>We never entirely see Battler's perspective during the airport scene.
Yes, we do. He's mischaracterizing people the entire time by saying how kind and great they are, then it's FALLLLLLING IM FAAAAAALING!!!, then a boat ride.

>These same problems arise in Shkanontrice too. Shkanontrice theory, or the official theory, never has rudolf and kyrie as Shannon's accomplices. If you are intending to include them as accomplices then you are going against the official theory just as I am, you realise this?
Fuck the official theory. I wish the Higurashi thread hadn't been pushed off the board earlier, because I wrote about how his opinion is worth no more than a random fuckbag's once the story is finished. I can modify my theory, it's your's that can't add accomplices.

>>11474717
Not as far as I'm aware, though the official theory is fairly inconsistent in regards to the third and fifth games. The official theory definitely does not have one pair of the siblings as accomplices in each game.
>>11474728
>Rosatrice claims that Nanjo wrote 07151129 on the door so his son could find the number and hope to get the money? He would have had to know about the bomb, so why would he have done this?
Nanjo and George don't know about the bomb. Please familiarise yourself with the theory.
>Yes, we do. He's mischaracterizing people the entire time by saying how kind and great they are, then it's FALLLLLLING IM FAAAAAALING!!!, then a boat ride.
Nah, there's a couple of time skips. For example, in the first game George never leaves Battler's side, but in the second or third game, we see him practising the proposal in the bathroom. And there's a couple of time skips. I think this shows Rosa could've excused herself for a few minutes.
> I can modify my theory
If you do then you can't claim Rosatrice is incorrect because R07 confirmed Shkanontrice.
>it's your's that can't add accomplices.
Hey, if you don't have to follow R07 then I don't have to follow KNM. Though, admittedly, I'd rather not add accomplices where it suits me, as I think the more accomplices there are the weaker the theory is.

Okay seriously going to bed now.

>>11474728
Please save "death of the author" discussions for your Postmodern Lit classes.

>R07 confirmed Shkanontrice.
Jesus, you should've just said that to begin with. Well at least now I can spare myself from watching that long fucking video.

>>11474743
Ah, but he doesn't confirm it in red, does he?

>>11474748
I'm okay with it not being in red as long as there's nothing else in red that contradicts it. This was, after all, the original premise of the game between Battler and Beatrice in the meta-world.

>>11474750
Watch that long fucking video then.

>>11474739
>Nanjo and George don't know about the bomb. Please familiarise yourself with the theory.
Nanjo has been friends with Kinzo for years. He has partied with Genji and Kinzo in that very room. He was friends with Kinzo during the war that it was being used as a military base in. Why wouldn't he know about the bomb?

>If you do then you can't claim Rosatrice is incorrect because R07 confirmed Shkanontrice.
I already told you, I don't give a flying fuck what he thinks.

>Hey, if you don't have to follow R07 then I don't have to follow KNM.
Then do it. Make a theory. But all along you've been claiming that they're weren't any other accomplices.

>>11474740
No.

>>11474743
Don't be a goat. Besides that, he just kinda hints to it at best. He's still big on the whole ``without love it cannot be seen'' shit and won't give a straight answer.

>>11474751
Please spare me from that and give me a condensed explanation if you think there's anything worth noting in it.

>>11474755
Hehe, I don't believe it very much, and think that KNM doesn't like the idea of being right as much as he likes the idea of everyone else being wrong, but you kinda do have to watch it to understand it. It's not as bad as it sounds, honest. His voice is even kinda dreamy.

>>11474752
>Besides that, he just kinda hints to it at best.
So does he confirm it or not in the end? What I mean by confirmation is explicit acknowledgement that the Shkannontrice theory has been the author's intention all along.

>>11474762
Oh well if you're looking for his intent, that's basically forced down your throat in EP7. Rosatrice holds that that was metaphoric and his seeming confirmation of that by talking about crap like sexual issues is to mislead you.

Yes, I'm being intentionally vague and will not tell you what you want to hear.

>>11474763
>>11474770
Okay, I see you're not in a cooperative mood. Fine.

I'll watch the video and then return to this thread if it still exists in a week's time.

>>11474784
Oh it will, baring another invasion; these threads always do, even if it has to becomes a Rika imagedump for a while or something like that. I look forward to discussing it with you further. See you then.

>>11474789
>rika dump
am i doing it rite

>>11474795
The `or something' part I guess. Have a Maria, it might help you're demeanor.

>>11474803
Well, they both have blue hair, so I wasn't that far.

>>11474817
Not the same shade though.

Does someone have an explanation for the stuff that's happening at the end of EP 2? Basically, with Battler surrendering to the witch and witnessing a party with goats et al. I was under the impression that Battler's was the only "reliable" POV in the narrative, but the final passages really seem to call that into question.

>>11474826
Battler got drunk, gave into the magic theory by the time Genji took him to the study, thus lost his detective's authority. That's the prevalent speculation at least. I thought it was that the bomb had already gone off and it was part of meta (since Battler's fate flows so well into the Tea Party meta sequence), but the explosion happens when everyone is torn apart by goats, including Maria and Rosa, on the island, and Kinzo, Genji, and Battler in the witch's banquet, so that's probably not it.

>>11474826
He was drunk, then dead.

The reliable pov is not reliable anymore when drunk. And then dead things happens and the reliable pov doesn't even exist anymore.

>>11474837
>implying a reliable PoV even existed to begin with

>>11474894
isn't Ange's reliable? I was under the impression that she was the 'reader' just like us goats

>>11474939
Ange? You mean that girl who talks to people that are not here? You mean that girl who tried to kill herself by jumping off a building?
Sure, she's reliable. As reliable as a insane medium on LSD.

>>11474950
If she was talking to people who weren't there, then how did she give the Sakutaro that she got from the boat captain to Maria?

Check mate, loveless anti-fantasy losers.

Oh, and how about you explain meta without magic.

That's right.

You can't.

>>11475112
>If she was talking to people who weren't there, then how did she give the Sakutaro that she got from the boat captain to Maria?
Because she didn't. She hallucinated the whole thing.

On the subject of Ange, Sakutarou and the boat captain, wtf actually happened there? Did she find a random scrap of cloth in the corner of the futon store and declare it to be Sakutarou's new vessel? Or did the actual remains of Sakutarou somehow end up in that location (how the fuck would Ange be able to tell anyway)?

That passage was very vague and confusing.

>>11475141
Maybe Maria lost it in ship.
Didn't the Captain said something about carrying the last Ushiromiya?

>>11475141
Rosa is a cunt and didn't actually make him, she just claimed to. There's something in there to the effect of "even a mass produced doll could become magic with a mothers love". Also note that Beato tried to say that he was unique in red and couldn't.

The more I think about Rosa the more I hate her.

>>11475184
>Rosa (...) didn't actually make him, she just claimed to. There's something in there to the effect of "even a mass produced doll could become magic with a mothers love". Also note that Beato tried to say that he was unique in red and couldn't.
Oh come ON !
Seriously Rosa, is there something nice you can do for your daughter once in a while?

>>11475184
>>11475222
Does she have a single redeeming feature? Is she truly bad, on the inside too?

>>11475235
She's the little sister. Each family reunion, she's left aside while the big bros and the big sis are talking.
Of course, that frustrates her. Add to that the fact that her husband left her (husband or lover? I'm not even sure she got married), that makes her pathetic to everyone, and even more frustrated.

She was good. But then she had to take care of a young girl by herself while trying to live up to her famous name, and failed.
There's nothing she can do to redeem herself. Instead of saying "I was wrong, I shoulda insisted on him putting on a condom", she's constantly "You're just making troubles for me ! Stop being so egotistical ! Leave me alone !"

>>11475250
There was no husband or lover. Kinzo raped her and fathered Maria. It's why she's retarded: double freak genes from the guy with 12 toes.

>>11475268
No, Gouda is the father.

>>11475268
Autism =/= retardation

>>11475250
>Leave me alone!
I would babysit Maria for free.

>>11475332
>Autism =/= retardation
Ha. Good one.

>>11475341
Pedophiles are not allowed to babysit, surprisingly.


The part that I dislike with Rosa is that not only she's blaming her daughter for her own problems, but she also get aggressive toward her lover when he tells her to be nicer with her daughter.
Remember? She starts being psychotic, saying that nobody will love her and stuff.

>>11475356
>She starts being psychotic, saying that nobody will love her and stuff.
This reminds me of somebody.

Yeah, I hate Rosa. Though out of all the characters, I have to say that the one I dislike the most is George.

I can't explain it, he's just so insufferable.

>>11475356
>Pedophiles are not allowed to babysit
Why? It's better for everyone if she babysitter enjoys his work.

I'll tell Rosa I'm gay and babysit her daughter every night. We'll play pretend, cook delicious food and sleep together.

>>11475370
lol sorry for being so perfect that i dare to stand against my crazy witch mother and a demon xDDD sorry for being perfect in everything and taking battler's wife u MAD i scored a perfectly fine chick while being fat u jelly

>>11475399
That kid was long dead before you were born. You will never babysit Maria. Deal with it.

>>11475370
>>11475401
I like to bully George, but he is actually one of the most likable characters. I don't understand why everyone hates him so much.

>>11475417
I can always steal that piece of jaw and clone her.

>>11475431
Because he's perfect. Even Battler, the main character, is sometimes deceived or make mistakes.
Georges, on the other hand...
>stays calm
>kicks Gaap's ass and coulda killed her if he were serious
>manage to score while being fat
>has the balls to say his mother he doesn't care for her opinion and will marry his fat chick
>stand his ground against the insane Eva Beatrice.


Meanwhile, the main character, Battler :
>cries
>whines
>receives a collar by Beatrice and has to stay naked
>cries a bit more
>makes stupid theories
>makes promises he forgets

>>11475431
Because he hid Battler's letter from Shannon.

Umineko would've had a much happier ending if Battler had been taught to flip the table over, rather than the chessboard. Ignore magic, punch everyone into unconsciousness until the storm passes, then load their unconscious bodies onto a boat and threaten them with more domestic violence if they try that shit at the next reunion.

>>11475481
>Umineko would've had a much happier ending if Battler had been taught to flip the table over, rather than the chessboard. Ignore magic, punch everyone into unconsciousness until the storm passes, then load their unconscious bodies onto a boat and threaten them with more domestic violence if they try that shit at the next reunion.
...
I'm going to figure out how to use ONscripter and then I'll write that chapter.
WHO'S WITH ME?

>>11475484
No one needs to be with you, you're describing a one person task.

>>11475484
Count me out. One of the reasons I like Battler is because he's not like a typical Japanese light novel protagonist who thinks that simply going around punching people is going to solve every problem in the world through sheer force of will.

>>11475502
>I don't know how to use ONScripter
>I can't write for shit.

>>11475505
What bothers me with Battler is that sometimes, he's smart enough to find a valable theory, and other times, he doesn't notice he's being led into a trap.
It's like he's randomly intelligent. Either a genius or a moron.

>>11475456
He had a crush on a child when he was fucking 17 (nothing wrong with this) and hated his little cousin because he had better social skills and the girl liked him better. He was also a shut-in nerd with no friends. The only girlfriend he ever had was a crazy suicidal fuck on the inside. A mentally healthy girl wouldn't have touched him with a ten foot pole.

How is that perfection?

>>11475505

I'm fine with punching dudes as long as you have a concrete moral standard and only punch people based on that and don't alter what you find acceptable on a whim. Looking at you Kyouma, you poorly-written son of a bitch.

>>11475471
Battler doesn't deserve to fuck Shannon, Piggy does. Battler is handsome enough to fuck any girl he wants.

>>11475505
What the FUCK did you just say about K1?

>>11475535
>Kyouma
>just a kid
>manages to knock out adults
>despite the huge difference in size and strength
>explained as "her own convinction sent her flying"
I dropped that anime very quickly.

>>11475535
>this guy disagrees with me!
>he must be poorly written!

>>11475532
>He had a crush on a child when he was fucking 17 (nothing wrong with this) and hated his little cousin because he had better social skills and the girl liked him better.
It's funny because the exact same thing happened to me. Except they were 10 and I was 13. She became a huge whore in middle school.

>>11475535
And I forgot :
>punches send people flying
>no broken jaw or anything

Scientifically impossible. People aren't ping pong balls that you can throw. If you punch someone hard enough to send him flying, you probably broke most of his bones.

>>11475505
>typical Japanese light novel protagonist who thinks that simply going around punching people is going to solve every problem
You must hate Rose Guns Days.

>>11475532
>He had a crush on a child when he was fucking 17
Mmm?
He's good with kids, but that's all. Keep your fanon in your pants.

>>11475588
He wanted to fuck Shannon since the day they met.

>>11475579
I believe you can punch Maria and send her flying like a ping pong ball without breaking any of her bones.

>>11475597
>He wanted to fuck Shannon since the day they met.
what
Source?

What does Maria's neck smell like?

>>11475647
Ash.

>>11475647
KUREYON

>>11471680
>>11474550
>>11474608
>>11474659
Disgusten surprise boxes...

Where did sage go?

>>11475991
On the top of the mountain.

>>11475586
Leo was a garystu to the extreme with hints of a darker side to him.

うぉぎヴぇさしｔ

George should kill himself.

>>11478118
He really should.

>>11475647
Halloween candy scent

>>11475417
At least she is eternally 9 years old, Uu~Uu

A detailed account of how and why the fake Magical Chef Gohdatrice committed the crimes of Legend of the Golden Witch: http://pastebin.com/9VcpgS5N

I meant it to fit in a few posts, but it ended up being 17K characters long. Sorry. I also tried to make it a narrative so it would be easy to read, but it turned out kinda fanfiction-y. Sorry.

Please respond with critiques and refinements so we can finally prove to the world what a monster this supposedly nice chef is.

>>11478625
He's too competent. And Gohda in a dress is disgusting.

Why did they keep trusting Bern? She tried to kill Battler, then tried to trap him into marriage, then tried to kill Beato several times, and he still wanted to be her friend. She turned Ange into mincemeat THREE TIMES and she still trusted her.

Are they literally retarded?

>>11478979
Yes, they are both quite dumb. It took you until Twilight to figure that out?

>>11478470
God damn I want to kiss her.

>>11478979
For Battler, it was less about trust and more about being magnanimous when he thought he won. He even invited Erika.

Ange was blinded by her quest of truth.

http://whenwetranslate.livejournal.com/1847.html

Fucking finally.

I don't know what to think about that "nano desu" bullshit. It's nice that they left it in, but a normie would find it ridiculous. It's not like a normie would be interested in this novel, so it's fine.

Aside from that, I'm glad that Higurashi is getting a better translation.

>>11478470
Maria's existence is a miracle of the universe.

Rika and Satoko can go suck a dick.

>>11479350
>This patch of Onikakushi-hen has Sonozaki Futago-tachi's translation on it, but When They Translate's edits made to it. Said changes are:
It took them several years to edit an already existing translation? What the fuck were they doing?

>Angel Mort is now referred to as a diner instead of a restaurant.
>Rika says desu rather than yes, and nano desu is left in.
What a splendid use of that time!

>Rena says adorable rather than keeyute.
Was that even a big deal?

What a meaningless, worthless waste of time.

>>11479360
How can you hate Satoko when Maria is just Rena and Satoko crammed into one person?

>>11479372
>It took them several years to edit an already existing translation? What the fuck were they doing?
It took them several years to translate Watanagashi-hen. They edited this shit to make it consistent with their own translation.

Why does everyone in /jp/ hate this translation group? Is it always the same guy?

>>11479372
Rena is not autistic and Maria is nothing like Satoko.

>>11479395


>>11479397
>Rena is not autistic
Ask her about Oyashiro-sama. I bet if you got Maria and Rena together in a room and asked them if Oyashiro-sama or Beatrice was stronger someone would end up getting killed. And that part in Bern's game where Maria instantly deduced Battler Family Culprit Theory was pretty close to when Rena implicated Shmion just from the existence of miso soup. Simply by the existence of this miso soup and a lack of soy sauce, this level of reasoning is possible for Ryuugu Rena. What do you think, Keiichi-kun?

>Maria is nothing like Satoko
The Satoshi\Sakutaro thing didn't ring any bells? The child abuse they suffered while desperately maintaining the facade of happiness? The love of tricks? Being a bit delusional and willing to at least help with murder?

Do you need Ryu to come to your house and explain the similarities to you over tea or something? This was pretty obvious.

>>11479395
Because they take too long. Move you're fucking asses already. I'd like to read a retranslation before I turn 80. Those edits were meaningless.

This is the first time I've ever complained though.

>>11479397
>Rena is not autistic
Ask her about Oyashiro-sama. I bet if you got Maria and Rena together in a room and asked them if Oyashiro-sama or Beatrice was stronger someone would end up getting killed. And that part in Bern's game where Maria instantly deduced Battler Family Culprit Theory was pretty close to when Rena implicated Shmion just from the existence of miso soup. Simply by the existence of this miso soup and a lack of soy sauce, this level of reasoning is possible for Ryuugu Rena. What do you think, Keiichi-kun?

>Maria is nothing like Satoko
The Satoshi\Sakutaro thing didn't ring any bells? The child abuse they suffered while desperately maintaining the facade of happiness? The love of tricks? Being a bit delusional and willing to at least help with murder?

Do you need Ryu to come to your house and explain the similarities to you over tea or something? This was pretty obvious.

>>11478118
>>11478164
Yeah, he thinks he's all-that and a bag of candy, but he's really not.

>>11479360
I wouldn't fuck that autistic brat even if she was begging for it. Kids are annoying and Maria looks particularly unclean. What a disgusting failure of an abortion.

It happened with Higurashi. And then again with Umineko. Every time, half the fandom becomes vocally furious and drops out, and the other half quietly enjoys everything. My theory is that his ultimate goal is to continue halving his fanbase through successive works until he finds the One True Fan, the one that's left at the end of it all, so that he can retire and pass the torch to the next generation.

Where did Satako go?

>>11479749
She.... transfered.

>>11479626
Weaponized otaku culture. Touhou a shit where everyone take it easy and bully poor Yukkuri. Nasuverse is all underage powerlevel bullshit with fetish thrown for good measure. Only Ryukishi can elicit a reaction so powerful in its fan, they actually stop taking it easy and start to think. Sometimes it's even the very first time of all their lives.

>>11479884
I read all 8 eps for the fantasy, action, comedy, and romance, and never thought once. NOT ONCE. While you idiots were wasting your time talking about pointless mystery crap, I was roleplaying as furniture and posting Beatrollface every other post. If that nip thinks he can make ME think he'll have to do better than that!

>>11479891
We need more fans like you. Then maybe WtC threads wouldn't be so shitty.

Don't change anon! You're our only hope!

>>11479891
>>11479900
Good times. I pity anyone who didn't get to follow it when it was coming out, when we could argue endlessly over the tiniest of crap. It was so lively and fun. There hasn't been anything quite as fun since.

>>11479626
What happened with Higurashi? The animefags didn't like those porn ovas?

I don't remember people hating on the novels.

>>11479891
He's got an average-looking loli girlfriend. You are just jealous.

>>11479915
I want to touch Maria's ear.

>>11479891
>>11479900
stop roleplay'n!!! >>>>>/a/

>>11479897
One cannot love a cat after tearing out its guts.

>>11479941
She does have cute ears, doesn't she?

>>11479945
Don't bully the roleplayers. I would participate if I could, but... I am furniture.

>>11479891
Remember when people actually cared about Ronove? What happened?

>>11479959
Why is she butt naked? Is Rosa selling her daughter's body for money?

>>11479985
Sakutaro is committing the sin of lust.

>>11479992
Only pure people can appreciate the beauty of prepubescent children.

>>11479992
He got registered as a sex offender and changed his name to Sakunoshin.

>>11480018
Dolls are not people!

>>11480018
Even that has it's limits.

>>11480029
But Virgilia gave him a soul.

>>11480034
Battler only wants to take advantage of her innocence.

>>11480038
What if she had to steal Satoshi's soul to do it?

>>11480038
Satoshi's soul. Think about it.

>>11480045
>>11480047
Satoshi's soul is in the bat.

>>11480039
She just wants to be his friend.

>>11480045
I like the way you think.

>>11480024
Sakunoshin is just one of the mass produced lion dolls.

>>11480053
Anon, please. Why would his soul be in the bat? That's dumb as has no supporting evidence beyond L4 Keiichi's ramblings.

His soul was obviously stolen by Virgilia and inserted into the doll. When Rosa finally killed him, the soul was released and he went back to Shion.

It's funny how Satoshi was believed to have run away to "Tokyo".

>>11480063
>When Rosa finally killed him, the soul was released and he went back to Shion.
That sucks for him. He went from living with an innocently lewd little girl to suddenly having a crazy girlfriend he didn't really love.

I would kill myself.

>>11480114
Nobody wants to become the plaything of an autistic kid.

>>11472937
Didn't she die in childbirth?

EP 5 was showing you Kinzo's relationship to Beatrice the 2nd. Battler was Kinzo, who had lost Beatrice the first and turned into essentially an empty shell of the man he once was. He wished so much that she would come back to him, but believed it to be impossible. Beatrice the 2nd was just a confused little girl who yearned for her father's love and approval. She knew that she had to become "Beatrice" for him, the one that he knew and loved, but had no information to really go on. A poor sheltered girl looking for affection, a broken man who's crazed with ideals of a dead woman somehow coming back to him.

That's what EP5 was showing with the whole chick Beato plot.

>>11478625
The writing isn't very good and it didn't address the red that states that Gohda didn't kill anyone.

>>11480277
I like of the part of EP5 where Battler decides that he's going to let her be her own person and not make her into Beato, then, in like the very next scene, comes across the love duel and begins his plan to make her into Beato.

But of course, she wasn't Beato after that - he completely failed to bring that Beato back. The best he could do was "Lord BATTLER's Wife". The original Beato is dead and he is stuck with his delusions of her and the plaguing that not only did he kill her, but he didn't even try to understand her until it was too late.

>>11480277
>>11480501
>EP5
Samefag. Two people can't possibly make the same mistake.

>>11480277
>>11480501
The entire plot of EP6 is an allegory for the original Kinzo/Beatrice relationship.

(Bice // Trolltrice) dies and a new one is born (Kuwadorian Beatrice // Moetrice), but she's not the same. (Kinzo // Battler) locks himself in (his study // a closed room), leaving behind a mad riddle (the epitaph // logic error) for Beatrice to solve. (Sayo // the resurrected Beato) solves it and they are reunited.

Even Erika, by marrying Battler, plays a role in this allegory as the stand in for Kinzo's wife.

>>11480229
Speak for yourself, kid.

>>11481006
Dat.

Welcome to 2011. I mean, we're discussing theories that were old when the dinosaurs still freely roamed on earth. What, now? The Chiesta are allegory for guns? The Stakes are anthropomorphized stakes? George is fat?

>>11481057
>George is fat
>old
Joji is only 23 ASSHOLE.

>>11481057
Why won't old people just get out so I can discuss old theories that are new to me with other people who are not old? There's new people constantly reading Umineko for the first time you know?

>>11481112
Okay, so food for thought.

One can only ask if Battler hasn't faked the whole sixth game to get his waifu back. The only way for him to resurrect Meta-Beatrice was to reproduce the conditions having created her to begin with, and it's exactly what he (seemingly unwittingly) did. Coincidence? Keikaku dori? As a golden sorcerer, he has enough hold on Beatrice's backstory and her game to pull that, but did he?

What happened to the cousin anon?

>>11481404
He's with Bubba.

What an asswipe of a thread.

>>11480997
>mistake
Pray do tell.

>>11481057
I'm sorry, were we getting in the way of your Rosatrice vs. Shkannontrice battle?

>>11481198
I've never believed that he planned that out. It's way more than he could pull off himself. He'd be predicting too much.

>>11482442
It was EP6, not EP5. It's your fault because I copied you!

>>11483940
>I'm sorry, were we getting in the way of your Rosatrice vs. Shkannontrice battle?

what

The Rosatrice theory is even older. It was disproved in what, 2010? At the beginning of Chiru. Why would we talk about that?

That doesn't mean there's not many things to discuss. The Yasu-Ikuko theory is one. What happened to Rokkenjima Prime is another.

>>11481198
Also,
>As a golden sorcerer, he has enough hold on Beatrice's backstory and her game to pull that, but did he?
No. That Beatrice is dead forever. She can't come back. Ever. The thing he created is a docile wife to him and only acts like the Beatrice he knows and loves when he feels like it.

>>11483966
>The Yasu-Ikuko theory is one.
But that's a stupid theory.

>What happened to Rokkenjima Prime is another.
Do we have any proof that it even exists?

I found something interesting! This was the Japanese commander in chief during WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto
>Yamamoto was born Isoroku Takano (高野 五十六 Takano Isoroku?) in Nagaoka, Niigata. His father was Takano Sadayoshi (高野 貞吉), an intermediate-rank samurai of the Nagaoka Domain. "Isoroku" is an old Japanese term meaning "56"; the name referred to his father's age at Isoroku's birth.
Then he became Yamamoto. Yamamoto, the doctor who ran the clinic in Sai. But that's a common name, so I might be overthinking it.

>>11483966
>It was disproved in what, 2010? At the beginning of Chiru.

>>11484074
Wonderful! Now we can theorize that Hifumi's father was 123 years old when Hifumi was born.

I know what we should discuss! Let's make a list of fat people!

Definitely fat:
George
Hideyoshi (morbidly obese. How does he and Eva even have sex?)
Ange
Gohda (never trust a skinny chef)
Nanjo
Boat Captain
Mackeral boy (Kumasawa was probably a good cook)


Possibly fat:
Lambdadelta (seems to have a diet of constant candy, popcorn, and tea)
Maria (from eating nothing but instant noodles and candy when Rosa away)
Erika (since her picture doesn't show a bad body, but her boyfriend still cheated on her, but of course, that might just be because she's a bitch)
Jessica (physical activity limited because she has to pretend to have asthma all the time, you'd think that she could get laid easily if she looked like she did in her picture)
Cheista 45 (that's a pretty big gun)

>>11484370
Extra fat:
My dick.
Your ass.

>>11484370
The only food besides tea, candy, and popcorn available in the meta world is human flesh, so it's likely that all witches fat and have diabetes and heart disease.

>>11484767
Every food that can be conceptually conceived is available in the meta world. Only food that have been logically disproved aren't, like a normal sized American hamburgers.

>>11484802
>like a normal sized American hamburgers

You clearly never heard of White Castle.

>>11484819
Or Waffle House. They've had "regular"-sized burgers for years.

>>11484370
>Jessica (physical activity limited
Yo don't get fat by not doing exercise, you get fat by eating like a pig. I havn't done exercise in my life and I'll die of heart arrest at 50 but hey I'm not fat.

>>11485007
Her family has a live-in cook and several servants on call 24/7. I don't think she's ever been asked to live on 500 grains of rice a day. And Gohda sure does seem to love western food, so I doubt her diet has much rice in it at all, and steaks and cakes than anything.

You know, apart from the whole murder thing, the Ushiromiya's don't have it so bad.

>>11484802
If they had eaten more hamburgers, maybe they'd all still be alive today.

>>11484819
Those aren't American Burgers then.

>>11485065
White Caste is as American as you can get.

>>11485056
He's a liar. He lies about where he's from, and the fact that he only pretends to be nice apparently so obvious that even Battler notices. He's putting growth hormones and probably fluoride in the food in his restaurant food just to poison them.

>>11485065
But they come in groups of four and make you shit blood.

>>11485056
You clearly lack 愛 for Hideyoshi-ojisan. He is a hard working man of business who cares about his workers and food.

>>11485081
But he called me an Americandy!

Could Jeshika beat up Hideyoshi?

Also, why does Jessica own brass knuckles? Seems a little low class.

>>11485497

IRL? Yes.
In the games? Yes.

Why is there no art of wheelchair Tohya and Yukari-Ange?

>>11485497
Jessica a delinquent.

>>11485929
That proves it: Jessica did it with brass knuckles.

>>11485887
If not even Ryukishi can be bothered to draw them, why should anyone else? Besides, they're old. No one likes old people. Do you really think that Pixiv want's to see Old Ange, Old Toyha, and Sakutaro having sex while Death Bed Eva watches any more than you do?

>>11484370
>How does he and Eva even have sex?)
Cowboy style.

Jessica and Maria are both skinny. Though maybe Maria has some baby fat.
She likely starved to death a couple of times while her mother forgot to cook for her.

>tfw the stakes have locks of hair tassle resembling their demon form.

>>11486846
>She likely starved to death a couple of times while her mother forgot to cook for her.
Convenient store guy gives her food for free though because she's so cute!

>>11487364
Sure... ''free''.

She isn't beloved as Rika. Shit isn't free.

They mostly had pity on her. Seriously, a 9 year old girl going from place to place, acting alone most of the time might get you a treat here and there but there's no way they kept feeding her time and time again.

Rosa was a terrible mother. She really was a black witch.

>>11487904
I wonder why she was never kidnapped.

>>11488423
All they would have had to do was pretend to be a witch. Maria was prepared to die because she thought she was going to the Golden Land, who knows what a strange could have convinced her of.

>>11488431
How do I convince Maria to take my dick up her ass? Please, be realistic. She's not stupid.

>>11488470
What the fuck, Janny? Why?

>>11486846
>baby fat
What is that?

>>11488537
The cute fat. If that is cute it's baby fat. If that isn't cute it's fat landwhale 3dpd /cgl/ fat.

>>11488546
Why doesn't Jessica have any baby fat? I don't get it.

Also, is Maria old enough to wear braces?

>>11488591
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_development_stages#Six-year-old
>Can identify right and left hands fairly consistently.
>Holds onto positive beliefs involving the unexplainable (magic or fantasy)
>Arrives at some understanding about death and dying; expresses fear that parents may die.
>Talks a lot.
>Loves telling jokes and riddles; often, the humor is far from subtle.
>Experiments with slang and profanity and finds it funny.
>Enthusiastic and inquisitive about surroundings and everyday events.
>Able to carry on adult-like conversations; asks many questions.
>Learns 5 to 10 words a day; vocabulary of 10,000–14,000.
>Uses appropriate verb tenses, word order, and sentence structure.

>>11488591
Cause Jessica's not fat. Jessica is slim. She's cute but not fat so no cute fat so no baby fat.

Use your logic it's Umineko man.

>>11488608
Is she hairy down there?

>>11488646
She's a teenage Japanese girl in the 80's. What do you think?

>>11488690
Thank you. It's good to know that she's got a cute bush down there.

The fact that Jessica's got a hairy pussy is just mindblowing.

http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S10537031#p10558152

I remember joking before Episode 6 that R07 was actually female using a dude for stand-ins in photos and I shat myself over AuAu.

It's a weird thing to say, but he writes like a female in some ways. I've often wondered if he's secretly trans (or BT was) which would explain a lot. When was he last seen in public?

>>11489520
This wouldn't surprise me either, either using a stand-in or being trans. Perhaps he is just really good at understanding a woman's heart.

>>11488423
That's much less likely to happen than you think. I'm sure that Rosa lives in a nice neighborhood.

Oh, and Sakutaro is there to protect her.

>>11489520
This is dumber than those theories that claim that BT made the story and Ryu was trying to find his truth.

>>11489646
Rumor has it that he used to be a child welfare social worker or something like that. He probably saw a lot of people that just "wanted to be understood" there, if it's true.

>>11489646
>>11489733
>understanding a woman's heart
>wanted to be understood
This is what Ryukishi meant when he said that "very few people would reach the truth". You actually have to think in order to understand Yasu's motive.

Most people thought she was a "crazy maid with DID that killed everyone because Battler forgot about her" and dismissed Shkanontrice as a retarded "theory". This is why that half-assed Rosatrice theory even exists.

Ryukishi wasn't hinting at some "hidden truth" that only anti-Shkanontrice goats would reach. He was talking about how hard it is to understand Yasu.

What does /jp/ think about this disturbing piece of fanart?

>>11489832
Ange looks like a pig in heat.

>>11489823
This is what I hate the most.

>Most people thought she was a "crazy maid with DID that killed everyone because Battler forgot about her" and dismissed Shkanontrice as a retarded "theory". This is why that half-assed Rosatrice theory even exists.

I can pity Yasu and I don't like her. She doesn't come across as sympathetic, just pathetic. She was with Battler for a few days, tops, yet forms some freaky stalker feelings for him. And just why couldn't she have called him one the phone or sent him a letter? That is a two way street, Yasu! And if you don't want to be forced to decide between two lovers, you probably shouldn't pretend to be two separate people!

Now, how does understanding her make her any less of a crazy maid who killed everyone because Battler forgot about her? That's exactly what she is, and her (very, very) horrible life isn't an excuse for serial murder.

>>11489832
Truly the deepest hell that the Witch of Theatergoing, Drama and Spectating can create.

>>11489871
>killed everyone because Battler forgot about her
But that's wrong.

>couldn't she have called him one the phone or sent him a letter
Servants are not allowed to do that. What if someone finds out? Besides, she was a shy teenager.

Is this kid Tomitake? I'm serious. "Jirou" wasn't his real name after all.

>>11489832
The fact that Bernkastel could have done this to them is just mindblowing. I wonder why she didn't.

>>11489900
>But that's wrong.
The closing the catbox thing was even more ridiculous, considering that she threw a bunch of bottles out to sea.

>Servants are not allowed to do that.
Servants also aren't allowed to roleplay as two people, launder a billion yen of gold, or set off 900 ton of WWII era war munitions, but the fact that it's not allowed didn't seem to stop her.

>What if someone finds out?
Really, what if someone finds out? Is Natsuhi going to take her down to the secret Ushiromiya shrine storage (that Yasu also bombed) and torture her for running up the long distance bill or having Genji smuggle a postage stamp to her?

>Besides, she was a shy teenager.
Not too fucking shy apparently.

>>11489871
Right after that part in the screenshot, he ask what sort of murderer could you sympathize with when you're the victim.

I think Ryu really liked Shion.

>>11489929
>The closing the catbox thing was even more ridiculous, considering that she threw a bunch of bottles out to sea.
That wasn't the point either. She just wanted to kill herself and possibly the entire family. She only did everything else because she could.

>Servants also aren't allowed to roleplay as two people, launder a billion yen of gold, or set off 900 ton of WWII era war munitions, but the fact that it's not allowed didn't seem to stop her.
She wasn't a servant when she did all those things, she was the head of the Ushiromiya family. And also furniture, that's why she didn't call Battler for the next two years.

>Really, what if someone finds out? Is Natsuhi going to take her down to the secret Ushiromiya shrine storage (that Yasu also bombed) and torture her for running up the long distance bill or having Genji smuggle a postage stamp to her?
She would be severely scolded and Natsuhi would fire her. She was still a servant at that point.

>Not too fucking shy apparently.
Shannon is really fucking shy.

>>11489905
I believe 'Tomitake' was his real last name.

>>11489823
How is he expecting a few people to solve Yasu and her motive when he plainly states it and pretty much everyone understood her. Shit, ep7 is dedicated to explain her motive.

How is anything of her motive hard to understand except of the singular trigger that made yasu kill everyone.

>>11489960
>That wasn't the point either. She just wanted to kill herself and possibly the entire family. She only did everything else because she could.
So you're now saying that she had no heart and really was just a fucking psycho. You seem to have reversed you're stance here.

>She wasn't a servant when she did all those things, she was the head of the Ushiromiya family. And also furniture, that's why she didn't call Battler for the next two years.
Maybe those last too, but Kanon definitely existed when Kinzo was alive, long enough for Kinzo to teach him how to shoot and offer him candy.

>She would be severely scolded and Natsuhi would fire her. She was still a servant at that point.
Natsuhi has no authority over the servents who bare the one winged eagle, which she has because of Genji's plan to get her close to Kinzo so Kinzo would recognize his child. Also, Genji would never have allowed her to be sent away. He could overrule Natsuhi on anything and tell her to ask the master and she'd have no recourse.

Not that Shannon knew this, but she still had school off the island and had days off, so it isn't as if she was trapped there.

>Shannon is really fucking shy.
If you're still trying to show that being crazy and pitiful isn't her overwhelmingly dominate features, then you aren't doing a very good job. Being shy isn't a good enough reason to wallow in self-pity so long that you're willing to kill.

>>11489905
Now that I think about it, Nonomiya is very similar to Yasu.

They were both butthurt kids with a massive power. Yasu had the bomb, the guns and ten tons of gold. What the fuck was Genji thinking? Nonomiya had all the bullies on his side before he realized it. He only wanted to take revenge on that girl by himself, but the other kids thought it was fun and shit got out of hand.

>>11489970
It took me a year to finally understand that Yasu was actually a man and why it was such a big deal for her.

There are still a lot of people that misunderstand Yasu's motive and think it makes no sense. It's definitely hard to understand.

>>11489982
>but Kanon definitely existed when Kinzo was alive, long enough for Kinzo to teach him how to shoot and offer him candy
Inside Yasu's head.

>>11490005
Yasu invented Kanon when Battler failed to send her a letter. That was 1982.

Umineko was just written as it came into the author's mind, without any serious oversight to plot/consistency. That should have been obvious early on.

People take it way too seriously.

>>11490015
Goats like you are so dumb you weren't even invited to raid the island in EP8. That says a lot when even the "Beatrice did it with magic" types were there. You've not only failed to understand the heart of the story, but you've failed on a meta level by not trusting the author.

>>11489996
How the fuck did it take you a full year to figure something that obvious?

It destrous her whole identify and concept of self including any self estime she had and I completely understood tjat the moment I remembered George wanted a son.

I personally think you're misinterpreting what Ryukishi meant by that and you are focusing all the meaning of love towards a single chatacter while Umineko had 8 different variation and intetpretation of love.

>>11490015
Wrong, just like Higurashi, Ryukishi plans all his work and their endung, even if they aren't always perfect in every way.

>>11479992
My DD is 9, nearly 10.

We bought some books - How to talk about Sex - is one I think. Another one is Where Do Babies Come From? I read them first, then I gave one to DD to look at (it was a cartoon book bt Babbette Cole) and we talked about it before I let her look at anything else.

She knows that a baby is made when a man & a woman have a special cuddle where he puts his willy inside the woman. She knows that a baby is made if one of the sperm meets an egg - she was worried that ALL the sperm would meet eggs and make thousands of babies!

We haven't covered contraception etc. She thinks you have to be married to have sex.

DD used to ask lots of questions and I found it really difficult to answer her and guage how much information to give. Since we read the books and talked about it she is fine - no questions for months.

>>11490014
Yeah, but he didn't exist physically until she became the head and had the power to pull it off.

If Shkanon theory is right and dishonest tricks about role's being able to die is true, then I say that Goldsmith was a role of Kinzo, and after the original "died", Goldsmith hid in the VIP room and carried out the murders.

There is no way to deny it.

>>11490034
That's real fucking neato.

>>11490031
I'm autistic.

>>11490036
>Shkanon theory
It's not a theory.

>dishonest tricks about role's being able to die
How are they dishonest? Shannon and Kanon can die because they are real people. Everyone acknowledged their existence. Goldsmith and Beatrice are fantasy characters.

Fucking goat, you didn't understand anything.

>>11490050
>It's not a theory.
It is.

I personally don't care which theory is right but if Ryukishi ever wanted to state if it was real of not, he would have come fully clean about it. The fact that he isn't makes me suspicious.

Does it mean it's false? No, only not fully confirmed.

My biggest gripe about the whole thing is the actual narrator who tells ep 7 is completely untrustworthy.
All other episodes have a definate contribution of either Beatrice with ep 1-2 or Tohya with episode 2-3-5-6-8.
But episode 7 is void of either of them which makes me question where all this information of Yasu came from. It sure as hell wasn't Tohya since he cut all contact with the mystery fans after they decided to go full rampage and just fuck with everything in ep 6.

Hell, at the start of ep 8, Battler mentions how he'll open the board one last time for Ange, meaning he did close it at the end of ep 6 but only reopened it in ep 8.

>>11490095
I meant episode 3-4*-5-6-8. Tohya didn't make ep 2.

>>11490095
Okonogi infiltrated the island with the Yamainu in the previous months and stole the gold, then had it bombed on the 5th.

Also, since Takano had 100M yen and used it to fake a god's wrath, does that make her a golden witch?

>>11490027
> but you've failed on a meta level by not trusting the author

The responsibility of convincing the reader that the author is a quality writer lies mostly with the author himself. If you just read the first 6 volumes (all I could bear) anyone would have a poor impression. It is unreasonable to expect a reader to read every single volume before passing judgement.

I guess on a more stylistic level I found the heavy use of magical elements hard to put up with.

>>11490806
Did you really just complain about fantasy sequences in a game about witches?

You are unqualified to discuss this. Begone, troll!

>>11490819
Just ignore the trollistic goats.

>>11490142
Kawabata killed everyone on his ship, dumped the bodies, took the gold, rigged the bomb, and went home.

Eva survived, but couldn't tell because Kawabata had hired some the Yamainu surround her at all times to keep her silent. The soldier that gets defeated by Satoko is shown to be Amakusa (uses the same anti-aging lotion as Ikuko), so it's proven that she is constantly surrounded by them.

Ange read about this in the diary, that's why she had to kill both Amakusa and the captain. She had proof so conclusive that she was willing to die at see to avenge her family. He had worked for Kinzo his entire life and knew about the Kumadorian, Beatrice Jr., and most probably the gold. He might even have been invited to drink with Kinzo, Genji, and Nanjo in that very room.

>>11490869
>Kawabata killed everyone on his ship
Why were Krauss, Natsuhi, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, and Kanon on the boat?

>Ange read about this in the diary, that's why she had to kill both Amakusa and the captain. She had proof so conclusive that she was willing to die at see to avenge her family. He had worked for Kinzo his entire life and knew about the Kumadorian, Beatrice Jr., and most probably the gold. He might even have been invited to drink with Kinzo, Genji, and Nanjo in that very room.
Might explain why Erika shows up and congratulates her on solving the mystery. But.... that's not the canon ending.

So liek, is it a boy or a girl?

>>11490897
He can be whatever you want her to be.

>>11490897
It identifies as a girl but is biologically a man. Deal with it, Oak.

Happy October 4th, mina-san.

>>11493503
The fun doesn't start until tonight.

>>11493515
I just couldn't help myself, is all.

The existence of the ep1 and ep2 bottles confuse the hell out of me.

That they do not describe the real event is obvious, and it makes it clear they were written in advance. To follow the rules they'd have to be written after Yasu became the head. It is either written by Maria and Yasu, or by Yasu pretending to be Maria.

Why write these ahead of time? I can only think of two real reasons. Either they wanted Battler to read it and solve it, or they wanted to run a fake murder mystery on the island. If they honestly wanted to run a fake murder mystery, they would have described HOW it was going to be done, instead of just fill it with magic. (Doesn't help to go to Krauss and say "please play with us. According to this plan you fight Goats")

So we are left with the idea that Yasu wanted to stomp Battler with a mystery novel to crack at the meeting, and as things look it would be to make him realize Yasu loves him.

So ironically nothing as amazing as a mystery happened. They just read one, solved it, argued over Yasu being the head, and blew up the island.

I find the only way I can take the mystery stuff seriously in umineko is to pretend the ending doesn't exist.

it feels to me like I'mTotallyNotBattlerNopeNopeNope is a shitty coward who can't accept himself for who he is, and that he would, to that end, even cast away the only member of his family who wasn't an asshole from the start, just pisses me off more on top of the whole "but none of that stuff actually happened, it's just this chickenshit trying to discard himself" angle. it feels to me that BT's death resulted in R07 copping out on the whole thing.

maybe that makes me a goat.

Happy fifth!

>>11497931
I don't think anyone likes the ending. I actually didn't mind about the goats thing that some people got pissed about, but I felt that the Good End took away a lot of the meaning. <Good> end should have been the canon end.