/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>11473944
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>I too would like to thank the moderation staff.
Get a load of this traitor.
#slaythegay
#slaythejay

>>11474352
>>11474482
>>11474497
If this is the way "old fags" think then I sure am happy that /jp/ has changed. Maybe you shouldn't use the otaku culture board if it bothers you so much.

>>11474813,1
What if some dude with a blue hat came to your house/basement, painted the wall with stinking poop and should you express your discontentment he'd retort "maybe you should leave that house/basment if it bothers you so much".

Asuming you're not a freak who likes poop.

>>11474813,2
That story doesn't match up to this situation unless the basement was lent to me as a "clean basement" and was then changed to a "shit-covered basement" after the lending time was over.

If you dislike the sexualization of characters then you really shouldn't be on the fucking otaku culture board. Normies like you should go back to /a/ where you belong.

>>11474813,1
Newfags pretending to be oldfags after a raid, nothing new.

I wonder how long will take until they start posting "get out of /jp/" + a meme from other board.

>>11474813,3
>If you dislike the sexualization of characters
Which I don't.
reading comprehension: F-

Also, nice overanalysing of the analogy without actually offering a counterpoint. You must win all of your internet arguments with such ``logic''.

>>11474813,5
Then what the fuck is your point? Why are you even replying to me if that's not what we're talking about?

>Why are you even replying to me if that's not what we're talking about?

>you
Who?
>me
Who?
>that [...] what
What?
>we
Who?

Ambiguous semantics. I don't understand >>11474813,6 .

>>11474813,7
>Who?
you
>Who?
me
>What?
Hating on people for liking to sexualize characters on the otaku culture board. Comparing the change from Japan/General to Otaku Culture and the changes to the board in general over the years to someone entering one's basement, smearing shit all over the walls, and telling the original people in the basement who were there for a clean basement, not a shit-covered basement, to fuck off if they don't like it, as it is now officially a shit-covered basement by name, and pretending there's something wrong with that.
>Who?
You and I

You're the one who is making absolutely no sense. I feel like you're just trying to be mysterious or something.

>>11474813,1
I bet you also take "Please don't sexualise X" comments seriously.

You are probably one of those spergofficers who shit up threads with >>>/a/ redirects and call everyone ``normie''.

>>11474813,9
No. What are you even talking about? "Please don't sexualise X" are obviously joke posts, but I don't detect the slightest bit of irony in
>>11474352
>>11474482
>>11474497

People who are against the sexualization of characters on the otaku culture board of all places are retarded. I'm glad if so many of them have been scared off. Most of the "cute and sweet and lovely" that guy mentioned were probably designed with sexualization in mind anyway. People should be able to sexualize characters all they want on the otaku culture board.

>>11474813,8
You're missing the point. Let me clarify:
>you
Answer ambiguous, which posts?
>me
Answer ambiguous, which posts?

>Hating on people for liking to sexualize characters on the otaku culture board
Tongue-in-cheek posting.

>the change from Japan/General to Otaku Culture
I never ever mentioned that.

>You're the one who is making absolutely no sense
Point of view.
To me, I make perfect sense. It's YOUR fault that you don't understand it.
To you, I make no sense, and it's probably because I express myself poorly.
You know what? You're wrong.

> I feel like you're just trying to be mysterious or something.
And I feel like you're just fucking stupid.

>>11474813,10
>I don't detect the slightest bit of irony in
>>>11474482
>[>one of the worst thing that can happen to a chan when it's done unironically.]
Here (in >>11474482), I am expressiong my discontent with "no lewd" being used unironically.
We basically share the same opinion that it is antithetic to itterate such an opinion on /jp/. However, I'm not being edgy about it.

I'm glad I helped you being a little less stupid.
If you have any further question as to why you're so fucking stupid I'd be glad to ignore them.

>>11474813,11
Then explain >>11474497 to me. He is obviously misunderstanding what you're saying. He seems to believe that you're actually complaining about how awful it is for people to have an interest in lewd things, and he is agreeing with that view. You never bothered to correct him, so I felt it was safe to assume that you were indeed saying "erotic things are bad unless they're posted ironically!" And there's nothing edgy about trying to keep things uncorrupted from sterile normals. All you've done is show that you yourself either failed to understand >>11474497, or just didn't give a shit. I never posted in this thread when it was alive, by the way.

Some people unironically do not like their favorite characters sexualized. Yes, in the otaku culture board.

>>11474813,10
>People should be able to sexualize characters all they want on the otaku culture board.
You can sexualize them all you like, and nobody who "disapproves" of it can stop you. The same is true for fantasizing about them eagerly devouring shit, getting raped by pigs, slowly ripped into pieces, or getting mindbroken into cock-addicted sluts. Having read all of the above and not liked any of it, I can safely say that I don't like any of the above. Big fucking deal. I'm not stopping you from enjoying what you enjoy. In fact, I never mention it because it's never relevant and nobody gives a shit what I think - but if I chose to, should I be hounded out of the board for being closed-minded?

The people whining about "crossies" and "normies" have reduced the board to an utter shitfest where rational thought has been utterly drowned out in favor of insulting people over and over again.

>Then explain >>11474497 to me
That one isn't my post.
>You never bothered to correct him
I generally don't go out of my way, correcting people unless I'm bored.
I don't gain anything from it and it's a long and painful process. Besides arguing on the internet has gotten awfully dull.

>And there's nothing edgy about trying to keep things uncorrupted from sterile normals
Try to think of "edgy" as a localisation of 中二病 if you will. They largely overlap. And it describes that quotation. You're not a superhero who will save /jp/ with his crusade, it will keep on turning into shit, and as much as we'd like to prevent that, we can't.

>or just didn't give a shit
Correct.
>I never posted in this thread when it was alive, by the way.
I never said nor meant to imply you did.

>>11474813,13
Of course not. But the issue here is that people think people who sexualize characters shouldn't be allowed. They would have everyone harass a person for sexualizing a certain character or having a certain fetish they don't like if they had their way. That is in fact the path to 1) a board more appealing to the rest of 4chan, with shaming-through-memes behavior and 2) a community that is more accessible to freedom-hating goons.

>>11474813,15
I can disapprove of whoever I fucking like. I unironically make "please don't sexualize X" posts. I'm not saying that shit is not allowed, and I don't expect anybody to listen. It's just my request.

The people you quoted aren't even saying that "people who sexualize characters shouldn't be allowed". They just happen to not like porn or semi-porn dumps. Big fucking deal. I don't like guro dumps. I don't try and "shame the people in them" when I visit a board where they're permitted, such as /photos/ (which is shit) but I don't have to like it.

>with shaming-through-memes behavior
Shaming people by calling them normies and crossies has been entrenched in /jp/ culture for years, and it's shit.

>a community that is more accessible to freedom-hating goons
They would have an aneurysm and die the moment they saw the nukige thread. Fuck, even /v/ seems to universally enjoys "the rape game" Rance. Your idea of a /jp/ overrun by feminist goons is a ludicrous fantasy.

>but if I chose to, should I be hounded out of the board for being closed-minded?

Should you? Yes and No. The question is wrong.
But it's basically people doing the same thing you just did.
Instead of expressing discontent for [lewd] they express discontent for [anti-lewd].

However, they outnumber you, and you stick out like a sore thumb.
As much as it is a "normalfag" way of putting things, you're clearly out of the comunity, and if an aspect the whole comunity bothers you, maybe you shouldn't be in it in the first place instead of trying to make everyone accept your opinion.

Do you deserve it? Yes
Should it ever have come to this in an ideal world? No because you would never have made the [anti-lewd] remark.
Would replying to anti-lewd statement be fucking stupid? Yes.

Playing sherif and being a top "quality filter" and "newfag repulsor" has for long been shitposter's excuse, but let's not fool anyone, that's the jan/mods/rules's job, and they're not doing a perfect job.
This being that, the more time passes, the shittier it gets.


>The people whining about "crossies" and "normies" have reduced the board to an utter shitfest where rational thought has been utterly drowned out in favor of insulting people over and over again.
Now, now.
That's a terrible generalisation.
And if I were to exagerate what you said a little you're supporting large corssboarder influx and normalfags because it would raise the quality of /jp/.

Should the decline of /jp/'s quality be entirely blamed on people "whining" about crossies and normies?
Do crossies and normies not harm /jp/'s quality in any way?

I don't think you're being level headed there.
Yes we're all sad that /jp/ just got shittier.
Is playing the blame game going to help that?
I don't think so.
Can /jp/ be saved?
Past and present say "no".
How will the future be?
Build a fucking time machine.

The only thing we can, and should do, is make the most out of /jp/ before deserting it.
You want to talk about otaku thing XYZ? Then talk about it.
It doesn't work? then /jp/ isn't the place for it/you. Make/find such a place.

>Shaming people by calling them normies and crossies has been entrenched in /jp/ culture for years, and it's shit.
Crossies and normies are shit too.

>>11474813,17
>As much as it is a "normalfag" way of putting things, you're clearly out of the comunity, and if an aspect the whole comunity bothers you, maybe you shouldn't be in it in the first place instead of trying to make everyone accept your opinion.
Expressing my opinion doesn't mean that I'm trying to force the whole board to agree with me. It's also just completely retarded idea in a board where half of it is literally about MC fucking girls. If you don't "accept" my opinion, that's fine, too, but don't start shitposting in response. You can call me a delusional niwaka faggot who doesn't understand the first thing the culture he's in. That's fine. If you're just going to scream "crossie!" and "normal!" and "back to /a/" over and over again that's shitposting.

>And if I were to exagerate what you said a little you're supporting large corssboarder influx and normalfags because it would raise the quality of /jp/.
I don't like "crossboarders" and "normalfags" any more than you do - okay, I probably do, since you probably think they should all die - but I also don't like the rabid shitposting that occurs when someone expresses a "forbidden" opinion.

>Should the decline of /jp/'s quality be entirely blamed on people "whining" about crossies and normies?
Full half of why /jp/ is shit is because people choose to whine and shitpost about it. You can express disapproval without doing either.

>>11474813,18
>Crossies and normies are shit too.
Reddit is shit, but accusing everyone you don't like of being from Reddit is still retarded.

>>11474813,19
>Reddit is shit, but accusing everyone you don't like of being from Reddit is still retarded.
What if they were in fact, ALL from reddit?
Would I still be the one at fault?

>>11474813,20
>What if they were in fact, ALL from reddit?
They're not. They never are. And even if they were it would still be making the board shit because you've lowered the level of debate to shit-flinging.

>You can express disapproval without doing either.

And that's exactly what is wrong with /jp/ and with 4chan in general.

Everyone clearly sees the hole in the ship, they're shouting endlessly about it, and the few faggots who can fix it are too busy removing noko-sage to turn sage into noko-sage five months later.

People shitposting about crossies and normies wouldn't do so if crossies and normies were kept out of /jp/.
Look at the root of the problem before pointing fingers.

Why we're actually thinking voicing our opinions will actually change anything is fucking beyond me.

And the only reason /jp/ still exists is because autists dislike change, and the alternatives managed to be even shittier.

A lot of people left /jp/.

>>11474813,15
I haven't seen many people shitting up threads because their favourite 2hu is being sexualised.

What I often see though, is autists spamming board redirects and how "normies should get out of /jp/ because otaku culture is all about sexualising and if you dare to express a different opinion then you are a normalfag and should grill urshelf".

>>11474813,22
>People shitposting about crossies and normies wouldn't do so if crossies and normies were kept out of /jp/.
1. They never will be.
2. Even if they are, you'll still find people to call crossies and normals.

Imagine if there was a gang of people who started shitposting whenever someone said something stupid. If nobody ever said anything stupid again, we wouldn't have the shitposting problem, but that's never happening and it's a fucking idiotic solution. The root of problem is stupid people. It always is. It's a problem that cannot be fixed so you can at least try not to lose your shit whenever they appear.

>A lot of people left /jp/.
Yeah, because /jp/ became shitposting central. Congratulations on all your hard work getting everyone who didn't like shitposting - sorry, what you probably meant was "normals" - to leave /jp/.

>>11474813,24
Hey now, I don't like how you're asuming that I'm a shitposter, or even complain about crossies/normies on /jp/.
In fact I prefer "normalfag" and "crossboarder" (though I almost never use them)

>1. They never will be.
Yes, perfection is unatainable.
However, "better" is reachable.

>2. Even if they are, you'll still find people to call crossies and normals.
That's a valid point, sadly.
Though I don't like the use of the pronoun "you" (I'd prefer a more gender neutral one).
I'd like to think that those people are merely a very vocal minority, I have no idea of the actual moderation force /jp/ uses as of now, but I think that we can agree that it's both insufficient and misdirected (the later being due to 4chan being shit managed by a monkey).

>It's a problem that cannot be fixed so you can at least try not to lose your shit whenever they appear.
It's a problem that isn't considered as a problem, or treated as one by the power in charge.
I'll agree that shitposter only causes it to snowball.
But what you're saying is basically "don't reply to troll".

4chan's infrastructure is shit, 4chan is shit, moot is a monkey.
So yes, /jp/ is bound to be shit. We can point fingers all we want, it's the "crossie scum", it's the shitposters.
It won't fix shit.
In a way you're doing the exact same thing as shitposters: venting your frustrations about a problem you can't do shit about.
Well for the fraction of shitposters who are simply stupid, instead of actually trying to shit up /jp/ by complaining about crossies.

>everyone who didn't like shitposting
I don't like shitposting either. Nor do I like your attitude right there, to be honest.

>>11474813,25
>In fact I prefer "normalfag" and "crossboarder"
Those terms are at least not outright retarded.

>I have no idea of the actual moderation force /jp/ uses as of now, but I think that we can agree that it's both insufficient and misdirected (the later being due to 4chan being shit managed by a monkey).
It would be great if shitposters could actually be banned, but they're not willing to do that, so we have to work around it.

>In a way you're doing the exact same thing as shitposters: venting your frustrations about a problem you can't do shit about.
I'm not shitting up an active thread with it. Also, I'm trying to get either of two things from this conversation - I hope that the people who spam redirects and insults instead of explaining why someone is wrong (who genuinely think they are improving /jp/) will reconsider their behavior, and if they won't do that, I'd at least like to hear them explain why their way is better. The people who have "make /jp/ shitty" as their mission you can't do anything about but that's not everyone.

>Nor do I like your attitude right there, to be honest.
And I don't like yours. Looks like we're just going to have to deal with it.

>I'd at least like to hear them explain why their way is better
People have been trying to for ages.
>The people who have "make /jp/ shitty" as their mission you can't do anything about but that's not everyone.
>that's not everyone.
I'd like proof. It'd give me hope.

>we're just going to have to deal with it.
I say fuck that (or as least it's what I'd say if I weren't fixing my sleep schedule). We couldn't get a staller conversation if we tried, given the topic and its circumstances.

>will reconsider their behavior
At this point, optimistic isn't even a euphemism anymore.

>>11474813,26 (cont)
Well, I guess I should give a little, right? Sorry for making so many assumptions about you, then.

>>11474813,27
>People have been trying to for ages.
I haven't had the opportunity to do this in months. The conversation usually never gets father than "you'd understand if you weren't filthy crossie scum and I'm not going to actually talk with you".

>I'd like proof. It'd give me hope. At this point, optimistic isn't even a euphemism anymore.
It could happen. Hope springs eternal.

>>11474813,29
Closest I got was someone telling me he was a pathetic dropout living in a basement and his only hobby was shitposting. That's the only thing he'd enjoy, not touhou, not VN, just shitposting.

Of course he could have been feeding me lies, but the most plausible explaination is people like him.
There is no organised shitposting HQ of sorts.

>"you'd understand if you weren't filthy crossie scum and I'm not going to actually talk with you"
That's an easy falacy to use in internet arguing (flaming). It's both an "I win" button in appearance, and a way to chicken out of an actual discussion.

So yeah, the only conversation you got was more shitposting.
And you can't keep shitposters out of 4chan because of how 4chan is built.

>>11474813,26
Crossies and normies should just be told to fuck off since they're not wanted. I don't see the problem. Explaining things to them is more likely to cause them to start shitposting in retaliation than just outright telling them to go away. Sure there will be a few misfires, but being aggressive ultimately does more good than bad. If you give crossies/normies the slightest hint that you'll be understanding with them, they will take advantage of it and try to take control over absolutely everything.

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>>11474813,31
>Crossies and normies should just be told to fuck off since they're not wanted.
Typical shitter.

You see, this kind of shitmasters come to /jp/ without even knowing why. They don't have anything they like. They don't have any interest in /jp/. They just spend their days refreshing the page, telling "normies" and "crossboarders" to fuck off at every occasion. If they had any interest in /jp/'s topics, they would spend their days participating in threads they like instead of shitting up the board.

>>11474813,33
You're an idiot. It's precisely because I care about the board's topics that I do this. Why would I bother defending a board I don't care about? I'm not shitting up the board, I'm saving it from being shit up more than it already is. Do you want /jp/ to be just like /a/? Because that is exactly what it will become if you take the elitism and anger away. If you actually be nice to obvious crossboarders, you are the one harming the board. One poster can make a huge difference in the long run, and you've probably invited several with your unnecessary kindness. I don't want normals making actual discussion impossible by talking shit about everything and everyone with walls of green and reaction images.

>>11474813,31
>Sure there will be a few misfires, but being aggressive ultimately does more good than bad.
Pros: kept out a few people from /a/
Cons: turned /jp/ into the shitposting board

/jp/ was always aggressive, but it didn't always act like rabid fucking retards when confronted with an unpopular opinion.

>If you give crossies/normies the slightest hint that you'll be understanding with them, they will take advantage of it and try to take control over absolutely everything.
The only people who have "taken control over everything" is you retarded shitposters.

>>11474813,34
>I'm not shitting up the board, I'm saving it from being shit up more than it already is.
You are actively making it shit. You are responsible for making it shit, more so than any single one "crossie" has ever done.

>Because that is exactly what it will become if you take the elitism and anger away.
It's not about being nice. It's about actually being able to explain why somebody is a stupid fuck instead of just screaming "crossie" and "normie" at him for twenty posts in a row.

>One poster can make a huge difference in the long run, and you've probably invited several with your unnecessary kindness.
You've probably driven away a dozen who didn't want to put up with your fucking idiocy.

>I don't want normals making actual discussion impossible by talking shit about everything and everyone with walls of green and reaction images.
Instead you make discussion impossible by talking shit about everything and everyone with walls of insults.

>>11474813,35
> but it didn't always act like rabid fucking retards when confronted with an unpopular opinion.
If people stop acting like that, the normals and crossboarders will replace them. The difference is that the opinions that are popular on /jp/ will become the unacceptable ones that people are attacked for, just like they would be anywhere else anywhere everywhere. /jp/ can still be a stronghold, you don't have to give up like this. The ignorant should not be so easily welcomed. They will take control over everything eventually, but there's no reason to rush to that end.

>>11474813,35
I'll play the devil's advocate here for a second, but if he's been shitposting in obviously shitty threads that happened to be made by crossboarders, then he isn't at fault.

>>11474813,31
>Crossies and normies should just be told to fuck off since they're not wanted. I don't see the problem.

The problem is when someone is being a big meanie to you, you will do the exact opposite of what he says just to spite him.
Furthermore, the only thing you can do is write mean things to him, to which the crossboarder will ultimately reply "I don't care, you're not the one in charge, make me leave /jp/, deal with it, u mad? xDDD".
That's not a misfire, that's just you having accomplished nothing.
It's a janitor's job to get rid of them.
A job which hasn't been done properly in years now.

>>11474813,37
>If people stop acting like that, the normals and crossboarders will replace them.
People didn't act like this for years, without being replaced by crossboarders and normals. Then you came along with your rabid shitposting policy and replaced the existing users with shitposters.

>The difference is that the opinions that are popular on /jp/ will become the unacceptable ones that people are attacked for, just like they would be anywhere else anywhere everywhere.
Unpopular opinions have been acceptable in /jp/ since as long as it's been around, without any of your "help".

>/jp/ can still be a stronghold, you don't have to give up like this
I haven't given up. I have never given up. If I wanted to give up I would have stopped arguing with you paranoid shitposting fucks a long time ago.

>>11474813,36
>instead of just screaming "crossie" and "normie" at him for twenty posts in a row.
Nobody does that. I just insult them and move on.

>One poster can make a huge difference in the long run, and you've probably invited several with your unnecessary kindness.
They probably should have been driven away to begin with then. I may not be quite as trigger-happy as you think I am.

>Instead you make discussion impossible by talking shit about everything and everyone with walls of insults.
No, I don't. I really enjoy discussions, but I have no reason to be friendly to some idiot who suddenly comes around and tells me to kill myself because he disagrees with one of my opinions.

>>11474813,38
>I'll play the devil's advocate here for a second, but if he's been shitposting in obviously shitty threads that happened to be made by crossboarders, then he isn't at fault.
It is completely his fucking fault. It's an excuse as worthless as "the devil made me do it". A thread can have a shit OP and still turn out fine, and it's not "obviously shitty" until you make it into an obviously shitty thread.

>The problem
The problem is that anybody can label anybody who says anything they don't like a "crossie" regardless of whether or not they actually visit any other boards.

>>11474813,37
>If people stop acting like that, the normals and crossboarders will replace them.
Your kind is much worse than any "crossie" our there. /jp/'s problem is shitposters like you.
/jp/ never actually had an issue with clueless new people, they were always ignored or handled properly, /jp/ style. But now the board is filled with "saviours" like you who keep throwing the same unfunny garbage and board redirects at every post that isn't "elitist" enough for them.

>>11474813,40
>Nobody does that. I just insult them and move on.
And if he replies?

>They probably should have been driven away to begin with then. I may not be quite as trigger-happy as you think I am.
Even if you personally aren't, you're part of this shitposting culture that deems it acceptable to stop discussing and start shitposting whenever someone with the "wrong opinions" is detected. I've been in plenty of debates that degenerated when one side stopped actually making arguments and started just trying to harass the other side into leaving with torrents of contentless insults, which is somehow perfectly /jp/-approved.

>I have no reason to be friendly to some idiot who suddenly comes around and tells me to kill myself because he disagrees with one of my opinions.
Yes, if somebody tells you to kill yourself, and you call him a fag, that's just normal, but it hardly characterizes the typical exchange.

>>11474813,39
I'm telling you that if everyone follows your way of looking at things, the board absolutely will become like the rest of 4chan, much quicker than it should.

>Unpopular opinions have been acceptable in /jp/ since as long as it's been around, without any of your "help".
You don't seem to understand the situation. The days where such a community could survive are over. If we don't be as aggressive as possible with them, unpopular opinions will cease to be acceptable in /jp/. Just like it would be anywhere else anywhere everywhere.

>I haven't given up. I have never given up.
You clearly have. You're giving in to the crossies and normies.

>>11474813,42
You seem pretty damn confident that I'm some sort of shitposter. I don't do anything in an attempt to be funny. In fact I wish people who think /jp/ is meant to be some sort of silly comedy act would fuck off.

>A thread can have a shit OP and still turn out fine, and it's not "obviously shitty" until you make it into an obviously shitty thread.
>can

0.001% chances can be described by using "can".

I'd like you to provide proof that it's a viable solution to keep threads with a shitty OP on the board rather than deleting it after 5 minute/10 posts?

worldfilter "crossie" into "party pooper" if that word bothers you that much.

>>11474813,44
>You seem pretty damn confident that I'm some sort of shitposter.
Judging from your posts here, yes, I'm fairly sure that you are indeed a shitposter.

>>11474813,44
>If we don't be as aggressive as possible with them, unpopular opinions will cease to be acceptable in /jp/.
We handled it just fine for years, even when we were the go-to board for /a/ and /v/ to discuss visual novels and all sorts of other popular "crossboard" topics. Things were working just fucking fine before you decided to institute your rabidly aggressive mindless shitposting policy.

>You clearly have. You're giving in to the crossies and normies.
No, I'm siding with people who aren't shitposters. I will never give into the invasion of idiotic would-be-saviors like you who are pretty much responsible for why /jp/ is the shitposting board today. And yes, your mindless flaming is shitposting.

>>11474813,45
>I'd like you to provide proof that it's a viable solution to keep threads with a shitty OP on the board rather than deleting it after 5 minute/10 posts?
First, giving the janitor carte blanche to delete every thread where the OP isn't very good is retarded (he has that power, but it's supposed to be reserved for outright spam). He deletes enough on-topic threads as is.

Anyway, threads with shitty OPs would often be followed by discussion or die for lack of interest. Yes, sometimes they would become huge shitfests, and then they'd be deleted, but most threads didn't end up like that. That doesn't happen these days because people insist on making them shit and refuse to let them 404.

>>11474813,43
>And if he replies?
If I feel like I may have misjudged them, I might try to have some sort of discussion with them. Otherwise I just ignore.

>"wrong opinions"
This has nothing to do with deeming their opinions wrong. It has everything to do with them deeming my opinions wrong.

>>11474813,41
>The problem is that anybody can label anybody who says anything they don't like a "crossie" regardless of whether or not they actually visit any other boards.
The problem is that if you don't do this than everybody will just label anybody who says anything they don't like "creep", "loser", "beta", or other normal-favorites. It's a process of making the community favor insulting normals and outsiders over insulting the "weirdos" and "nerds".

>>11474813,46
I'm not, you just want to rabidly call anyone you disagree with a shitposter, since you think it automatically makes you right. And that's pretty ironic given the situation. I'm trying to have a discussion with you but you're pretty much refusing now.

>>11474813,47
What part of "things have changed" don't you understand? Even in the past two years everything about 4chan and the web in general has changed drastically. And again, I think your flaming of me is just as mindless.

>>11474813,48
>and refuse to let them 404.
Tell that to the faggots who can't sage.

>He deletes enough on-topic threads as is.
And baby sits off-topic ones.
The problem isn't with my solution, the problem is that janitor a shit.

>>11474813,48
>threads with shitty OPs would often be followed by discussion or die for lack of interest.
I would disagree with that part. On such a slow board as /jp/, a single poster can maintain a thread alive for months.

>>11474813,49
>If I feel like I may have misjudged them, I might try to have some sort of discussion with them. Otherwise I just ignore.
Then I actually don't have any real complaint about you. It's the people who engage in active harassment/shitposting campaigns (which kill the threads they're in) that I detest, and we have plenty of those.

>The problem is that if you don't do this than everybody will just label anybody who says anything they don't like "creep", "loser", "beta", or other normal-favorites.
This doesn't happen even in /a/ and it's certainly not going to happen in a board whose primary topic of discussion is visual novels.

>What part of "things have changed" don't you understand?
The part where you aren't saying what's changed.

>Even in the past two years everything about 4chan and the web in general has changed drastically.
The biggest change is that most "crossboard" topics got other boards, drastically reducing the number of people who visit /jp/ incidentally. What's drastically changed about the web in general since 2011, anyway?

>And again, I think your flaming of me is just as mindless.
By "mindless flaming" I refer to the people who absolutely refuse to explain themselves, so nothing in this thread is something I would consider to be that.

>>11474813,51
Yes, but for every hundred shitty threads that gets made maybe one of them sticks around like that. Most people just don't give that much of a shit about keeping their thread alive.

>>11474813,50
It's not that they can't, they just don't. Why bother saging when you're already throwing a shitposting party?

>The problem isn't with my solution, the problem is that janitor a shit.
Your solution requires a janitor that all of /jp/ will agree with. Even if he did everything you wanted him to, there are still people who would throw a bitchfit. It's best to reduce the amount of quality control he has to do to a minimum.

>On such a slow board as /jp/, a single poster can maintain a thread alive for months.
That's not even the point anyway.

Allowing shitty threads to "die off" means not deleting them means tolerating them. Means allowing them, means encouraging them.

Also it bumps a thread off the board, is an eyesore, and takes up space.

Sure /jp/ has 10 pages, wohoo, so that mean if I post pictures of my dick it's allright to leave it until it dies "f[rom] lack of interest"

His reasoning is poop.

Besides a shitty thread with a shitty OP turning into a good thread, you know what that is? a thread hijack.
And that is bad.
Raping a rapist is still rape. Shitposting at a shitposter is still shitpost.

Besides if you can turn a shitty thread into a good one, why not just make a good thread right off the bat. Where is the need for a shitty thread with a shitty OP?

When you'll realise that an OP makes up for approx.50% of a thread you'll realise that your opinion is shit.
That's how chan works, and no matter how "it should be", this is reality, not theory.

>>11474813,52
>This doesn't happen even in /a/ and it's certainly not going to happen in a board whose primary topic of discussion is visual novels.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Visual novels without ero are considered pretty hip for 'nerds' now.

>The part where you aren't saying what's changed.
The behavior the posters, or more likely, the people using the site.

>What's drastically changed about the web in general since 2011, anyway?
The amount of users and increased accessibility world-wide.

>>11474813,54
>Allowing shitty threads to "die off" means not deleting them means tolerating them.
It means nobody is interested in the shit thread, which is the ultimate burn. Nobody should give a shit what the janitor thinks of it.

>Sure /jp/ has 10 pages, wohoo, so that mean if I post pictures of my dick it's allright to leave it until it dies "f[rom] lack of interest"
If it's on-topic (and not an obvious shitposting thread), then sure. Good thing we're in a board where posting pictures of your dick isn't either.

>Shitposting at a shitposter is still shitpost. Besides if you can turn a shitty thread into a good one, why not just make a good thread right off the bat. Where is the need for a shitty thread with a shitty OP?
So don't shitpost at him. It's a lot more effort to make a new thread than a new post, which is why tons of posters don't bother.

>When you'll realise that an OP makes up for approx.50% of a thread you'll realise that your opinion is shit. That's how chan works, and no matter how "it should be", this is reality, not theory.
No, it's not. It only works like that when people insist on making it work like that, for example, when they feel the need to shitpost in a thread because the OP wasn't very good.

>>11474813,52
>This doesn't happen even in /a/
Calling bullshit right now.

>>11474813,53
>Your solution requires a janitor that all of /jp/ will agree with.
No,
A janitor that is logical and steady.
That's why rule fucking exist, to have consistency.
There has been no consistency in the past few year's janitoring besides its shittyness.

>there are still people who would throw a bitchfit
A comunity works this way: you're either part of it, or you're not.

You can't be 70% in favour of idol threads and 30% not.
Not when it comes to moderation and rules.
It's either allowed, or off-topic.
That's what being consistent means.

on /jp/ some shit allowed by the rules gets deleted, stuff forbidden gets babysat; things that are OK one day gets deleted the next, etc,etc...

So yeah, no. I'm right, and you're wrong.

>>11474813,56
>Nobody should give a shit what the janitor thinks of it.
But the janitor doesn't have to think, that's what rules and report queue are here for.

>No, it's not. It only works like that when people insist on making it work like that, for example, when they feel the need to shitpost in a thread because the OP wasn't very good.
>It only works like that when[...]
Which is exactly what you're complaining about.
Making your claim of
>No, it's not.
Invalid.

>>11474813,57
>There has been no consistency
That is really annoying. What gets deleted and what stays shouldn't be as unpredictable as it is.

>>11474813,57
>Calling bullshit right now.
Well, maybe. I don't visit much.

>There has been no consistency in the past few year's janitoring besides its shittyness.
Whether a thread is low-quality or "crossboardlike" is subjective. And there's nothing inconsistent about "babysitting" a shit thread, which mostly consists of deleting shitty posts about whose dick you would suck out of the report queue without looking at what thread it was in.

>>11474813,55
>The amount of users and increased accessibility world-wide.
Those people are busy facebooking each other and instagramming photos to their twitters, not heading to /jp/ so they can discuss untranslated rape games with anonymous strangers.

>>11474813,59
>Which is exactly what you're complaining about.
Yes, but it wasn't always like that. You claim it's something inherent to 4chan culture when ti's not.

>>11474813,61
>Yes, but it wasn't always like that.
So you're saying that it now is?
>You claim it's something inherent to 4chan culture when ti's not.
And then you're saying that it isn't?

Make your god damn mind up, stop living in theorical past world.

>discuss untranslated rape games with anonymous strangers.
I don't think shitposter do that, though.

>Whether a thread is low-quality or "crossboardlike" is subjective.
Indeed, "Sanae is a girl" is such a good thread.
So is "hello /jp/, what is the name of that silly looking rabbit touhou? I heard there were game, is it true that I have to ask here before using the fucking google". A gem amongst gems.

>>11474813,62
>Indeed, "Sanae is a girl" is such a good thread.
That's not your call. Just ignore and move on. If you think it's breaking rules, then report it.

Now, thanks to our Otaku Culture Warrior the board is filled with retarded comments such as http://fuuka.warosu.org/jp/thread/S11480049#p11480082

Keep up the good job at raping what's left of /jp/.

>>11474813,63
I don't know how you could view that as anything other than blatant shitposting in an attempt to be funny. Nice nitpicking. That's not even related to anything that's been talked about at all.

>>11474813,62
>And then you're saying that it isn't?
No, I'm not. It does happen now, but it's not "just how chans work" like you said it was, it's how a couple stupid people choose to behave.

>I don't know how you could view that as anything other than blatant shitposting in an attempt to be funny.
Someone is starting a Sanae thread with a canned, overused, joke. It's not going to be a fantastic thread (the Touhou threads never are), but it's not "blatant shitposting". Thank god the janitor knows enough not to listen to you.

le bump ;)))))

Looks like you REALLY want to hide this thread ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

why are 2 /a/ crossies arguing about some gay shit? where's all the ironyposting etc

>>11474813,66
That trashcan :^)))))))))))))))))

What the fuck is this shit? Every thread except this one is from 2008.

>>11474813,70
Read the thread. Some spergstain got banned and now has nothing to do besides raping /ghost/

>>11474813,71
I ain't bannu faggot
I'm just bored of /jp/

>>11474813,72
Of course you are banned.

>>11474813,73
bullshit
I got a dozen working proxies I can post with
in fact I have hundreds of proxies I can report with

Up you go

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