/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Liking anime doesn't mean being otaku, so no.

>>11354886
These people just like anime. They're not Otakus despite what they claim

>>11354891
>>11354892

What is otaku?

Depends on where you live. I’d say that in e.g. Taiwan it is.
A TW uni even has a moe 2D character explain science now.

>>11354898

Otaku = being robot-like. Citation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfCDGmPyRDI

>>11354891
Yes it does, you aspie.

>>11354898
They're maniatics.

>>11354905

Prove it

>>11354899
http://waa.ai/QN4
Forgot the link—note the ministry of education stamp.

Using a shortener which links to the page on FB because 4chan spam detection is overzealous.

>>11354899

>A TW uni even has a moe 2D character explain science now.

Sauce?

>>11354910
See >>11354909

I think like anything else how normal it is depends on the content. People can claim punk rock went mainstream but that change the fact that Doc Corbin Dart is still insane or that MDCs still are hard as fuck. As long as you believe in yourself and what you're doing (or what you're not doing) you'll always be more legitimate than the fraud and children who flock to your interests.

>>11354908
No.

of course it is

just like this waifu meme

It depends how much you're into it. Liking popular anime is normal at the minute because of the whole "i'm such a nerd" thing. However, jacking off to drawings is like, so totally not cool so they don't do anything like that. Unless they're a girl, then they can post lewd doujinshi pages on their tumblr ironically.
I think Asia in general is cool at the minute. Go to /fa/, find a tumblr thread and you'll see most of them have anime gifs, Japanese street fashion, Asian art or other weeaboo shit scattered in between the Rick Owens outfits and black and white photos of models.

Moe is dead. Photorealism is the new thing.

>>11354926
are they still masturbating over those b/w rick ownes shoes?

>>11354909
>>11354912

Taiwan-chan has a hell of alot of likes

>>11354929
Shit 3D scum

>>11354935
It's a photorealistic drawing, not 3D. I'm not some normal.

>>11354940
err,
While Windows Japan had a moe mascot for 7 and 8*

>>11354933
Worth noting that while Windows had a moe mascot for 7 and 8, Microsoft Taiwan also had a 2D mascot for silverlight

>>11354929

>>11354943
ugly

>>11354940

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j49w6QsC1w

She's kind of fat and has an ugly voice.

Would not install

>>11354959
>kind of fat
Some flesh aint no problem for me.
>ugly voice
Well it’s Chinese, so that’s normal.

>>11354931
Of course. You are officially and objectively fashionable if you own a pair.

if it was wed have no issues getting crrtain games here, or shops carrying anime, or large conventions like comiket or less sttangling with laws against it in certain countries.

so no, it isnt.

>>11354970
There is a frigging Hastune Miku game being localized. What more do you want?

>>11354940
also worth noting that these are unofficial. just fyi.

>>11354975
I wouldn’t call mascots used by the company in promotion and the end product, with the company signature on it to be unofficial.
Windows 7 and Windows 8 were sold with moe mascots and at least Windows 7 had a special ext. with moe system voices and wallpapers featuring the character, and Silverlight TW’s official page features the mascot and her info.

>>11354973
do you realize theres more than a single game? miku us inarguably more mainstream than things like monpiece, criminal girls, senran kagura sv, doki doku majo shinpan, mugen souls z etc etc etc etc.

the list is endless.

>>11354979
theyre unofficial.

>>11354984
By which logic can you call that unofficial?

>>11354979

>feelio when no OS-tan running your computer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJYaTIYAAfc

>>11354886

Most facebook users are in the ocean so no.

>>11354981
They're localizing the 3ds game of senran kagura. PS vita game might follow soon after.

>>11355185
I know they are but look at the backlash they've already gotten from it. And it'll probably only get more as the release draws closer. Nearly every western game site has nothing to say but insults and judgements on it. That's not the sign of an acceptance of otaku culture.

I know what you're saying and I agree with you but I'm just answering the question. Something like the upcoming Criminal Girls Invitation, which in in the top 20 preordered games on Amazon JP, has no hope of getting here because otaku culture just isn't accepted. It would irk the mainstream too much.

>>11354989
Because Microsoft is unaffiliated with that promotion and those copies of Windows.

>>11355227
How much Japanese would I need to play this?

>>11355244
Why? Do you want to spank young girls anon? How dirty.

Obviously the story would be lost on you without a strong grasp but the game itself is really like any other JRPG; once you learn the menus and commands you it's linear enough to where you can get through it without too much frustration.

I don't self-identify as an Otaku, but I guess it's what I am, I just don't like the word.

I feel myself slipping away from my roots, and it makes me sad. I just want to get back to what really means the most to me; 2hu...

>>11355289
Again this is how a lot of people feel about punk. Don't worry I'm not writing some awful college thesis! Though I think there is a common factor among all things on the fringe. The need to classify is an entirely mainstream desire, the only reason we do it is because we're not entirely cut off.

>>11355307
I'm curious about what you mean by the need to classify being a mainstream desire. It seems to me that classification is more than mainstream, it's inherently human.

>>11355307
Yeah, that makes sense. I see the punk comparison.

>>11355322
In my opinion, /jp/ likes to push itself away from natural human behavior in favor of collective group-think. If everyone says "we're not otaku", then clearly, we aren't.

>>11355307
Playing off this idea, does simply denying your behavior as an otaku make you an Otaku? A Catch-22?

>>11355127
Over 9,000 hours of anime watched puts someone in the middle? That's around 7.5k average length episodes, or 577 1-cour series.

99% of /jp/ wouldn't reach that, making them "fresh 4channers - certain potential"

Chart looks like it was made by a girl from /a/ by the way

>>11355227
>Criminal Girls
Games like that always get hate from uppity normals but sometimes they go full retard and hate the atelier series because the girls are "too young" or some other. bs

>>11355345
Did somebody miss the joke?

>>11355353
Sorry, I get it now. IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!. Good meme.

>>11355355
>projecting this much
Top fucking kek.

No mad for your passive-aggressive shit just because you're an autismal pleb who can't comprehend humor if it isn't spelled out for you.

>Being Otaku is now mainstream
But joke aside, I can't wait for those people to change the definition of "otaku" so it could fit their lifestyle.

Even if people here are posting that liking animes means being an otaku or nerd ironically, I suspect that at some point they will genuinely start to think that it's really the case.

>>11355394
Watching old dragonball z clips on youtube... I'm such an otaku
#otaku #nerd #DBZ

>>11355405
This is making me ill.

What do they translate "otaku" to now for these new age kiddies? I remember they used to translate it to "maniac".

>>11355127
If you have a mal you're in the ocean.

>>11355345

>made by a girl

He he called me a girl! >blush<

>>11355429
>What do they translate "otaku" to now for these new age kiddies? I remember they used to translate it to "maniac".
Do they even translate it these days?

>>11355441
I don't think so. It's entered the English lexicon.

>>11355322
Right but I think a lot of fringe thought is an attempt to move away from traditionally human styles of thought in general. I for example often have the thought that it's good that I'm removed from the genepool. Based on common since this should be the antithesis of our instinct but all the same I feel it. I guess subculture something to make up for a lack of some natural human desires or thought patterns?
>>11355337
I guess it's a difference between what actually IS and then what is represented. Take any random sub-culture there's an inherent difference between behaving a certain way and then representing yourself in that way so you can be explained to people outside of the subculture. There's a thing you do that makes you something and then there is a thing you do that makes you seem like something. Going to church versus praying in private I guess.

Hope that makes sense. Also a side note I don't mean for any transhumanist or evolutionary implications. I'm just trying to state my thoughts plainly. I generally don't subscribe to nor am I informed of that sort of stuff.

>>11355307
>>11354915
This is probably the gayest thing I've ever posted on 4chan, but you always make me feel less alone in the world when you post, punk-anon.

>>11355238

>>11355441
I've also heard "maniaa" used to mean otaku/over-the-top-fanboy in anime. Granted it was a specific case and the person using it was making fun of the protag, but hey.

>>11355552
Stop posting that image.

>>11355564
Why?

otaku is kind of a loaded buzzword desu ne?

>>11355566
Shut up.

>>11354940

>>11354905
No it doesn't. Otaku goes beyond hobbies and also has to do with personality and lifestyle.

Also the rule of thumb is that if someone in the west calls himself "otaku" then he's not.

>>11354886
is this ZUN!bar?

>dumb westerners calling themselves "otaku"
Top ｗ
These people are just filthy wapanese retards.

If only ZUN!bar was here...

>>11354915
>People can claim punk rock went mainstream

When was punk ever not mainstream? Sex Pistols already took it straight to the top of the charts. (And what's on the top of the charts is mainstream by definition. You can go on about how most people would find it abrasive, but the same is true for Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber et consortes).

>>11354926
Again, when was Asia not cool? Not in my lifetime, that's for sure.

>>11355256
Who wouldn't want to?

>>11355345
I'm pretty sure an average episode length is much less than an hour. 500 cours sounds perfectly doable (that's 13 series per season for a decade, one a week, even someone with a life could manage that). Even a triple of that is theoretically possible and the main problem would be finding so many things to watch in the first place.

>>11355939
>I'm pretty sure an average episode length is much less than an hour.
It says 9k hours, not episodes

>>11355394

Kinda of late to the party. Since this has been happening for a while now. Like all terms appropriated by westerners. Otaku is different from ヲタク.

>>11355945
9k h/7.5k = 1.2 h

the word otaku is exotic and it sounds cool so that must mean being associated with it means you're cool

>>11355337
No. Otaku do not necessarily deny that they are otaku, only when asked by those outside of the group. It is implicitly understood as a badge of honor of sorts or a sign of solidarity amongst other otaku. Outside of the otaku circle, it follows any manner of mainstream bastardizations and/or stigma.

Imagine two close friends referring jokingly to each other and themselves as "loser" or "faggot" and you'll get an idea of what the otaku label is like. Outside, it's a hurtful label (well, not in its current appropriation), inside it's a sign of likeness. Many memes follow this trend and identifiers like "channer" or "/jp/sie" mean different things depending on ingroup vs. outgroup.

>>11355982
So it's actually three times that like you said. A decade of anime watching, 13 series per season is a serious commitment. So much that I don't think the two extra levels below it have any meaning.

>>11355429
>>11355441
"Enthusiast" or something similar. Some definitions add "obsessive" but no one seems to notice that.

Unfortunately, no one gets the connotation without having read some of the history of the term. If they had, they would realize that self-identifying, as an outsider, is insulting to actual otaku. It's also ridiculous to label oneself without adequate understanding of the subculture it refers to, but leave it to normals to make sense or even care. They only care about the label.

>>11355952
Pretty sure ヲタ refers to idol-otaku specifically.

>>11354886
No. Downloading and watching Chinese cartoons doesn't make you an otaku and even less if you go to a streaming site.

It's like saying you're a comic book nerd because you liked X-Men movies. If the person in question actually bought their anime, got the blu-rays, and bought things like settings, gengas, cels, storyboards and scripts then maybe they could say they're an anime otaku. Besides most of the popular anime that fake "anime otaku" like actually don't have any good animation in them and they wouldn't even be able to explain why not.

I'm such an otaku xDD

>>11355997
>f the person in question actually bought their anime, got the blu-rays, and bought things like settings, gengas, cels, storyboards and scripts then maybe they could say they're an anime otaku.
Not necessarily since consumption doesn't necessarily imply otaku. This fact is commonly confused, which is why people like Danny Choo make a killing off of shameless peddling of goods. Plenty of people buy merch (e.g. figs, art) because it "looks nice" or they want to inflate their "otaku level." It doesn't work that way.

Otaku is in the lifestyle itself. A poor guy can be otaku if he is endlessly involved in his media to the detriment of his social life or functioning--obsession if you will. A guy who knows all about cels and staff and show elements who doesn't own the things would still be considered otaku. I remember watching a documentary (titled Otaku) and there was an S&M/bondage maniac who talked about a girl who let herself get tied up and shipped as a package on a train for a whole day. THAT is otaku, not her collection of ropes or SM gear.

>>11355994
>Pretty sure ヲタ refers to idol-otaku specifically.

ヲタ isn't ヲタク.

It's used because of the negative connations of the word オタク.

Why do normals romanticize weird loser subcultures?

It's bizarre.

>>11355997
>If the person in question actually bought (...) and bought (...) then maybe they could say they're an anime otaku

You're not fooling anyone, Danny Choo.

>most of the popular anime that fake "anime otaku" like actually don't have any good animation in them and they wouldn't even be able to explain why not.

Muh shading! Muh fluidity!

Yawn. I don't know about you, but I'm watching anime for the story.

In the rare cases when I still watch it, that is. Why is every "otaku" discussion always falling down to anime? I know the kind of people who think it's the only otaku interest ever, and those are exactly the kind of people you'd call "fake".

>>11356020
this board shouldn't even be otaku culture but weird jap shit or 2d/random

>>11356014
Ah, I missed that "ku." Your post wrapped really oddly for some reason.

>>11356027
No biggie.

>>11356020
It's different, so appropriating such symbols gives them an edge against all other normals who have "normal" interests. Because the mainstream market has difficulty recycling the same bullshit over and over, they steal lesser known trends to make a profit. This process destroys inevitably dilutes the content of the subculture.

>>11356023
>Why is every "otaku" discussion always falling down to anime?
It is one of the staples of otaku media. It's also the most accessible because most people in the West have grown up with it in some shape or form.

>>11356040
>This process destroys inevitably dilutes the content of the subculture.

How would western normals dilute otaku culture in Japan?

>>11356046
Consumption habits of Westerners now affects Japanese industry. It was negligible for the longest time, and it's not a huge problem right now, but it will be if it continues. Japanese are trying to target Westerners, especially ever since the Cool Japan initiative.

For an example, Danny Choo's character is now going to have her own anime, I read. The only people who seem to be supporting his shit are ignorant Westerners. He has nothing to do with otaku culture proper; he is working with the Ministry of Culture or whatever on Cool Japan to essentially exploit the work of the industry. Things that used to cater to the hardcore demographic will begin to cater to the "casuals." Well, they already are, with regards to the "niwaka" issue.

If you take a look at any other subculture (independent music for example) it might make more sense. You will see subcultural symbols entering the mainstream (moe is already there; anime is already established in the West), because it now caters to a larger demographic, it will deviate from content that used to cater to hardcore fans or otaku. Compare old hip-hop to the current club-rap-pop and the proliferation of wiggers in the 2000s. This is the nature of markets; content must be diluted to appeal to larger populations.

>>11356023
>>11356009
Consumption isn't a bad thing. The Japanese are heavy consumers and so are otaku. Otaku buy photos and collect them, cards, sketches and other such things. The fact that they get bought is just incidental they could just as well have been won, traded, gifted, or stolen. An otaku often places a different kind of value on goods than normal people.

Danny Choo and friends don't respect their merchandise or understand its proper value. Buying a $10 nendo for $40 isn't otaku, it's just stupid. Buying a specific rare limited figure for $500 is otaku. Paying $20,000 or whatever it was to have AKB sing for you personally is otaku. Spending $100 to complete a series of gachapon trophies is otaku.

Spending money on special ropes and not just any ropes is otaku.

>>11356069
Danny Choo's character was already going to have an anime years ago. The whole Miku/BRS thing, flopped Fire Fighter Girl, Milky Holmes, K-On! stuff was already aimed at the market you're referring to.

The great otaku boom was already 10-15 years ago.

>>11356069
>Consumption habits of Westerners now affects Japanese industry. It was negligible for the longest time, and it's not a huge problem right now, but it will be if it continues. Japanese are trying to target Westerners, especially ever since the Cool Japan initiative.


I'm sorry, what? Cool Japan hasn't taken off the ground and only a small section of the Japanese industry even cares about the west [Triple AAA video game developers.] The anime Boom failed already, what interest could they possibly have in the west now?

>>11356083
>>11356085

It's dannychoo posting anonymously.

>>11356009

The only people who are Otaku proper are people who take part in that subculture as it is in Japan E.G. Someone who goes to comiket, shops at akiba, and takes part in events for example.

>>11356086
1/10

>otaku is a state of mind hurrrr
/thread

>>11356071
Spending is always incidental, though. It's just something you have to do to get some things you might want. If someone's a cel otaku and likes to collect cels, good for him, but don't mix him up with anime otaku who likes to watch anime that's, for the most part, widely available for free.

Besides, there's spending that gets you things you want and there's spending to spend. There are people who buy $500 "audiophile" speaker cables and I'd rather people of this kind never got confused with otaku. The term should, after all, imply at least some kind of expertise in your hobby.

>>11355989
>Otaku do not necessarily deny that they are otaku, only when asked by those outside of the group.

Otaku is an exonym. Real Otaku don't even call themselves Otaku.

>>11356092
>otaku is a state of mind hurrrr

I don't agree with that sentiment either, but buying a bluray from Funimation doesn't make you an ota.

>>11356093
>Spending is always incidental
No, no, you see some people spend to spend. For example somebody that buys 100 copies of something or somebody that buys all the latest figures and posts unboxings every day and "hey guys look what I just bought" stuff that is unrepentant buyfagging. Only to sell it later.

>>11356093
>Spending is always incidental, though. It's just something you have to do to get some things you might want. If someone's a cel otaku and likes to collect cels, good for him, but don't mix him up with anime otaku who likes to watch anime that's, for the most part, widely available for free.

So, you think someone who likes anime alot is comparable to a vipper?

>>11356093
>anime otaku who likes to watch anime that's, for the most part, widely available for free.
>otaku is a state of mind hurrr

It's like I can see one post into the future...

>>11356102
Show-offs. Though I don't think anyone's complaining about them funding everyone's hobbies.

>>11356106
What do anime and vippers have to do with each other?

>>11356116
>What do anime and vippers have to do with each other?


Is this a joke?

>>11356116
>What do anime and vippers have to do with each other?

Are you retarded?

>>11356124
No. Answer to the best of your ability.

>>11356128
>No. Answer to the best of your ability.

I'm not gonna answer something so ridiculous. I rather just drop the issue.

>>11356071
>Consumption isn't a bad thing.
I never said that. Otaku are a fork of an extremely consumerist culture. The point is that consumption per se is not what defines otaku. It is the drive behind that consumption.

>>11356083
>The whole Miku/BRS thing, flopped Fire Fighter Girl, Milky Holmes, K-On! stuff was already aimed at the market you're referring to.
Yes, and I would say that additional western consumption only accelerates this trend. Still, otaku like some of those shows as well. The issue, at least for me, stems from the peddling self-contained otaku symbols for profit. This is most apparent in things like Miku/BRS, and Choo's bullshit. Where things once told some story, or expressed some otaku sentiment, or held some sort of meaning, there is now nothing. It is just the symbol, and it is bought and sold and appropriated. These appeal most to casuals who need a quick entry into the subculture and Westerners love this shit as you might have noticed. Anyway, I was referring to general mainstreaming of subculture, and you seem to have already substantiated my point.

>>11356085
>what interest could they possibly have in the west now?
Have you not seen the increase in crowdfunding platforms, simulcasting, merch advertising, and quick localization in the past few years? Many of these are being headed by the Japanese companies themselves. Various online retailers promote "Cool Japan", Choo is part of it and he has only grown more popular.

>>11356090
Right. As I said, it's lifestyle, not consumption. Otaku lifestyle would obviously not be viable outside of otaku environments, though I would add that it's possible to possess the obsessive trait. In such a case, I don't know what to call it.

>>11356098
As I've read, they referred to each other as "otaku" due to a lack of social grace (using an overtly formal term) or as a result of a post-war childhood (mothers referring to each other as "otaku"). I'm pretty sure they used to call each other otaku. Not anymore, clearly, but I know Toshio Okada worked to lessen the stigma of the term. That would suggest an attachment to it or at least one of the group identity. Whether it was coined within or outside, it became a label for themselves at some point.

>>11356132
>Yes, and I would say that additional western consumption only accelerates this trend.

You have to be incredible deluded to believe western "consumers" count for anything in Otaku culture.

>>11356155
>Right. As I said, it's lifestyle, not consumption.

You sound like a first gen ota.

>>11356134
Realizing he mixed up two unrelated things, one of which he doesn't really know much about, Anon backs off.

>>11356157
If they didn't count for anything, they clearly wouldn't be marketed to and there wouldn't be an initiative to promote this.

You have to be deluded to think that a country would target another country's culture without reason. The fact that anime/manga are at the top of their list should be cause for concern. If it takes off, that means there's an influential market. Do recall that I didn't say that it's a big problem YET. There are clearly plenty of anime fans here, they just aren't being targeted properly. Eventually they'll get it.

>>11356169
>You have to be deluded to think that a country would target another country's culture without reason

But, that isn't the case at all. Japan doesn't target the west. Your talking out of your ass.

>>11356179
They target it with their cultural subversion. They systematically destroy the younger generations of their enemies culturally. /jp/ itself is evidence.

>>11356168
>two unrelated things

So, you are a retarded then? Next time don't talk about things you don't understand then. 'kay?

>>11356183

Go back to /pol/ please.

>>11356184
>So, you are a retarded then?
eigo please.

>>11356188
Just spreading the truth, /jp/.

>>11356183
Why would they attempt to subvert an already subverted culture? Have you ever watched bezmenov?

>>11356179
>But, that isn't the case at all. Japan doesn't target the west. Your talking out of your ass.
Right. What's Cool Japan, again? There's a reason why anime/manga is prioritized. Hint: it's because it's relatively popular in the West and it's been growing since as far back as the 60s. Multiple generations of westerners have grown up watching some form of anime on television.

Right now, the Ministry of Education is spending tons of money to publish anime and manga themed books for domestic students and foreign ones. I personally know this because I'm helping a Japanese professor write two of them. Why are they doing this? Because there's a substantial, growing market here in the west.

What does that mean? That they have buying power and thus influence over industry. Perhaps not so much now (though it's clearly changing), but it will inevitably happen if current trends persist.

>>11356132
>Yes, and I would say that additional western consumption only accelerates this trend.
I'm pretty sure the trend is already at its peak. You're looking at gamer culture of the late 90's seeking mainstream acceptance. The only way from here is down or branch out into new markets and new mediums. I'm calling it now: indie anime will boom in the next 10 years.

>Where things once told some story,
Kanetsugu to Keiji
>or expressed some otaku sentiment,
Genshiken Nidaime
>or held some sort of meaning,
Rozen Maiden 2013
>there is now nothing.
Kiniro Mosaic

Which one gets posted on /jp/ the most? Ok that answers all your questions. That's the sort of people you're talking to.

>>11356221
Oh, I should mention that by "targeting" I don't mean "soft power" necessarily, but simply targeting consumers. See, you appeal to consumers by creating things they want to buy. My whole point is that if westerners have buying power, they have influence over the industry.

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

>>11356221
>What's Cool Japan, again?

Where is Cool Japan? Can you show me an example of it at work? This initiative was announced as far back as 2010 and I'm still not seeing any sign of it. Can you cite or show me an example of western targeted Anime and Manga? Because I'm pretty sure that after the boom, there's no such thing.

>There's a reason why anime/manga is prioritized. Hint: it's because it's relatively popular in the West and it's been growing since as far back as the 60s. Multiple generations of westerners have grown up watching some form of anime on television.

Are you talking about Europe, when you say west. Because you can't be talking about america.

> personally know this because I'm helping a Japanese professor write two of them. Why are they doing this? Because there's a substantial, growing market here in the west.

So, you are DannyChoo.

>>11356223
I don't think there's anything innately wrong with enjoying relaxing anime, but there's something to be said about the selling of symbols for the symbol's sake (variations on Miku, BRS, "original characters", "moe", etc.). I guess if otaku like that, good for them, but they're being exploited by people who are lazily mashing together familiar elements to cash in.

At least something like Nyaruko appeals to some die-hard Lovecraft/RPG fans and tokusatsu otaku. Something like Mirai possesses absolutely nothing--a simulacrum, but she's popular with westerners. I don't know about Japan.

>I'm calling it now: indie anime will boom in the next 10 years.
I agree with the growth of crowdfunding. This will be the next thing.

Okay, now I'm going to bed.

>>11356230
>Where is Cool Japan? Can you show me an example of it at work? This initiative was announced as far back as 2010 and I'm still not seeing any sign of it.
I'm pretty sure it's mostly a marketing scheme and I'm pretty sure Danny Choo brokers deals, organizes internet marketing and so on. Also sort of like what moot does with the Niwango boys except Danny doesn't suck any cocks and it actually works and turns a profit for his company.

>Can you cite or show me an example of western targeted Anime and Manga? Because I'm pretty sure that after the boom, there's no such thing.
Simulcasts are a good sign of international targeting. Popular games also get localization done faster or release worldwide at the same time these days too. It's not going to be in your face "hey this is a western anime for westerners with hotdogs and large breasted characters wearing flag bikinis" because nobody would buy it.

>>11356244
>"hey this is a western anime for westerners with hotdogs and large breasted characters wearing flag bikinis" because nobody would buy it.

But, most anime with large fan bases tend to skew towards that. Look how popular Cowboy Bebop is. What type of person are the Japanese trying to attract with anime anyway?

Being "otaku" has always been normal. The only reason it's looked down upon in Japan (or was, it isn't really anymore and younger otaku are completely open and cool about it) is the whole fit with the herd Buddhist culture.

In the West, where individualism is prized, nobody gives a fuck what you like. Everyone is trying to be unique. If you are shunned, or insulted, it isn't because of your interests. Ten years ago if you were a perfectly normal dude but in your free time you obsessively unlocked every route in untranslated VNs nobody would give you a hard time over it unless you autistically approached everyone in the area and explained it to them and smelled like ass or something, which a lot of "otaku" do! They try to fit into some world that's easier than the real one and justify it with the words "I'm different!". Really, nobody is different. It's a set of circumstances.

>>11356244
Companies will translate anything that makes money. There's not some conspiracy here. It's business as usual.

>>11356237
I agree I'm not fond of character concept anime or manga. However it works fine for things like games when the concept is part of the mechanics such as with Sonic The Hedgehog or Rockman or Metal Gear. I am a Miku fan and I love Vocaloids since at least around 2006/2007 so I learned to accept that some people don't like what you like even if they say they do but are just looking to find acceptance in a subculture and wear semi-cute outfits. It doesn't bother me anymore.

>>11356250
>Companies will translate anything that makes money. There's not some conspiracy here. It's business as usual.
I never said it wasn't. That is my stance too. Companies don't fire their Japanese staff and hire new people with western sensibilities just to appeal to some transient foreign market known for unchecked, highly organized, and socially accepted piracy.

Instead they play to the homefront and license to parties making a good distribution deal.

>>11356223
Are you implying there is something wrong with Kiniro Mosaic?
There is just 1 ayaya anon.
It could have been anything. ZUN girl anon could be spamming his flavor of the week anime or milky anon could be spamming milky holmes if they havent commit suicide.

>>11356237
>Something like Mirai possesses absolutely nothing--a simulacrum, but she's popular with westerners.
[citation needed]
She is only popular with people that visit danny poo blog. I wouldnt even know about it if you guys didnt make threads about him constantly.

>>11356264
Well, let me say it this way then. Companies target existing markets - seldom do they try to create one. That happens by chance. Anime has risen almost as an art form, companies respond to the market and push out more of what's successful until it's no longer successful. (I can't wait until the moe trend is dead)

I'd find it hard to believe the Japanese government is trying to brainwash the West. Especially so when we've already brainwashed them.

>>11356265
There is nothing wrong with it. Are you implying that the animation and story quality isn't par for the course of a cheap gag anime?

It's not just /jp/ but other people and places love it too. Because that is the sort of thing that most popular in the west.

Westerners don't watch or enjoy anime like Kanetsugu to Keiji because it has all these weird culture details and historical references that the typical foreigner wont get.

>>11356278
It's funny because anime really came into its own with sci-fi anime but now there is like 1-2 sci-fi anime per season and 50 or so moeshit.

>>11356281
>moeshit.

>>11356278
>(I can't wait until the moe trend is dead


So, this is a /co/ and /v/ thread in disguise? Good to know I'm dealing with trolls.

So many OTACOOL faggots here.

>>11356279
>It's not just /jp/ but other people and places love it too. Because that is the sort of thing that most popular in the west.
I hate to break it to you but /jp/ is not a true representative of the west. This kind of anime will never be popular with the west. The popularity of this show is miniscule compare to action show like SAO or SNK.

>>11356294
I hate to break it to you but reading comprehension works wonders.

>>11356279
It appears to me that you actually believe that when people get spammed with something, it means that they like it. In reality, it usually achiever the exact opposite effect.

It's not just /jp/, other people and places react the same way.

>>11356294
Truth. I've seen sperglords plastering shit about the big three on walls. That's really the difference, they strive for individuality through unity. They need to discuss this stuff with other people. They bandwagon after anything that a friend will talk to them about. It's the same as television culture and all that.

>>11356304
>Because that is the sort of thing that most popular in the west.
Please do tell how I can miss what you are trying to imply there.

>>11356286
It's just /a/. They always come out of the woodwork when /jp/ talks about anime. Or rather, when we actually talk about otaku culture in general - those threads always somehow end up discussing anime and anime only.

>>11356322
>They bandwagon after anything that a friend will talk to them about.

That pretty much sums up "nerd" culture in the west.

Western people refering to themselves as otaku is stupid.

>>11356346

It's just another appropriated word that loses all it's meaning once taken. Just like Manga and Anime [despite being a loan word.]

>>11356335
>>11356286
Nar bro, moe anime is boring shit. You don't have to come from some other board to see that.

This thread is full of resentment. Y'all wish you were born a few years later so your youth would be filled with otaku times. It's too late now, no need to be bitter.

>>11356354
>Nar bro

Just go, please.

>>11356356
but I just came

>>11356319
It appears to me that you actually believe that when people start threads with screencaps, it means that they're spamming it. In reality, it's more than one person and not a conspiracy.

It's not just /jp/, other people and places react the same way.

>>11356356
Nar bro, here to stay. You'd be way happier if you accepted the truth instead of censoring what you don't like. Self-conflict only creates stress.

>>11356362
Screencap shitposts are irc conspiracy. That's a given.

>>11356363
>You'd be way happier if you accepted the truth instead of censoring what you don't like.

What truth? That you enjoy using words that yo don't understand? On second thought, you should stay. You'd fit right in with the current /jp/ user base.

>>11356325
>It's not just /jp/ but other people and places love it too. Because that is the sort of thing that most popular in the west.
>I hate to break it to you but /jp/ is not a true representative of the west. This kind of anime will never be popular with the west.
I'm not implying anything. It's clearly stated. You are just being stupid beyond any humanly acceptable level.

>>11355928

>>11356370
The conspiracy theory stuff is the worst thing this board has ever had to deal with.

>>11356371
The truth that you aren't any different from a "normal" person. The truth that you're a failure trying obtain acceptance from some little niche subculture when you tell people to "Just go". The truth that you feel bitter at the fact that more successful people enjoy your hobbies, because it makes you less "unique", and you can't excuse your own failures through some weird "but I'm different" outlook.

>>11356372
>other places
>most popular in the west
Yeah sure.
Give me fucking sauce on how you can come up with the general consensus for the whole western fanbase.
SoL, yuri anime and most importantly non action anime are bottom barrel to the usual waito piggus

>>11356378

You're trying too hard here. I don't hate Normal people or feel threatened by the fact that they are trying to get into this sub culture.
/jp/ isn't the nexus of anything let alone otaku culture. This isn't /a/ . Those types of insults won't work on me I'm afraid.

>>11356391
>/jp/ isn't a subculture
>Just go, please.

Obv you was tellin me to get out of your precious /jp/. Defending your subculture from infection by the normals.

>You'd fit right in with the current /jp/ user base.
So bitter.. so bitter.

This is the truth you need to accept, and move on, and be constructive with.

>>11355541
Same here.
>>11355939
This is like pointing out that Eva did well and saying Otaku must be mainstream. If anything it would make just the Sex Pistols or NGE mainstream, not the related subcultures. Tying fringe/subculture to unpoplular discounts the possibility that something strikes it big because it's so different than anything else.
>>11356378
Do you play the imagine breaker sound FX to yourself when you make posts like this? Do you realize how silly you look like your themed pictures and preachy crap?

>>11356399
>I have nothing to say so I'm just going to call him names.

Not even the guy you're arguing with, but you really should just leave before you make even more of an ass of yourself. Any point you wanted to make has long since been nulled.

>>11356399
>Obv you was tellin me to get out of your precious /jp/. Defending your subculture from infection by the normals.

This post made laugh. "precious /jp/" Good one.

I have nothing invested in this place.

>>11356379
You're an idiot. Go back to /a/ with you. That kind of anime is what drives Japanese toy sales in the west. Azumanga Daioh, Lucky Star, K-On!!, Yuru Yuri, Nichijou, Kiniro Mosaic, and all the other gag anime.

>yuri
It's not yuri. Yuri is Marimite, Girl Friends, Candy Boy, Utena. If you can't tell the difference then you're exactly the kind of moron people say aren't true otaku.

>>11356409
>If you can't tell the difference then you're exactly the kind of moron people say aren't true otaku.

Then are you implying that you're a true otaku friend? Not the sameguy btw.

>>11356413
No. I'm implying they don't know what they're talking about and seem suspiciously out of place here.

>>11356409
>That kind of anime is what drives Japanese toy sales in the west. Azumanga Daioh, Lucky Star, K-On!!, Yuru Yuri, Nichijou, Kiniro Mosaic, and all the other gag anime.

This is the biggest croc of sit I've ever read. The most popular Japanese toys in america are shit like Beyblades, Or Card Games like Yugi-Oh, Cardfight Vanguard, and so on. Do you mean overpriced figures, because those aren't toys.

>>11356402
>imagine breaker
Had to google that one. This is the true face of /a/. It's a long road ahead of you.

>>11356406
There's no point to make. I'm only highlighting hypocrisy. Who gives a damn about image on an imageboard, anyway? This is what I'm telling you, w.

>>11356407
Everything you write states otherwise.

>>11356426
>Everything you write states otherwise.

Cause you say so.

I mean you went on some wild tangent about hating normals all to distract from te fact that you're talking out your ass.

>>11356424

He's an idiot, don't waste your breath.

>>11356424
I actually thought of Bandai toys too. But no, I was actually referring to trash like nendos and figmas that only non-Japanese consider to be anything other than cheap toys.

>>11356409
>That kind of anime is what drives Japanese toy sales in the west
>toy sales
>azumanga daioh
>nichijou
>lucky star
>kiniro mosaic
Am I being rustled here?
I need to some link here bro. Cant wait for to order those toys.

>>11356434
>wild tangent
...the DRM clobberware? What?

>>11356439
It's funny because there's no fight. Some people here are just being literally retarded.

>>11356434
It's k, anon, you don't have to be so protective.

>>11356440

Then can you be more specific next time. When you say toys, that's what's going to pop up.

>>11356446
Try dannychoo com

>>11356455
>>11356448

Where's the dog face? So, I can differentiate.

But, just answer me this: Why would I be threatened?

>>11356456
Sorry I didn't know I had to spell everything out for you. Would you like me to explain what Otaku means and about OtaCool and where Japan is located and how the internet works and what online hobby and toy stores are?

>>11356462
>dog
Take the knot!! ha ha!
it's awwriiite

>>11356472

Nobody refers to nendas or figmas as Japanese toys. You fucked up big time and now you're trying to save face. Pathetic.

Good joke anon. I havent laugh this much in days.

>>11356482

Kay

CHUP
CHUP
CHUP
CHUP

おいしい

>>11356462
Dogface.jpg reserve is empty.

I've already explained why you are threatened. A subculture's turn toward mass appeal always results in rejection by those who seek shelter under its arm, while others flow with it and benefit.

When you've become so entrenched in some idealistic notion of a culture, so much you can't step back and adapt even as you're rejected, that's when the bitterness takes hold.

Is grilling your food over a flower pot a completely normal thing at this point?

>>11356483
um, could you quit replying to yourself now? Like nobody else even cares. Seriously.

>>11356492
>A subculture's turn toward mass appeal

Which isn't the case here. So, you're wrong.

>>11356500
It is on a small scale. It's the same as all this meme-culture and that bullshit.

It's the defense of /jp/ from the memers and normal people. The outsiders who don't "get" "it".

>>11356492
Why would anyone feel threatened over something that isn't even happening?
You normals have zero leverage in Otaku culture. Who are you kidding?!

>>11356426
Index was a pretty fun series. Why not watch it? Honestly it's funny to see you complain about how people are bitter and wish they were born at another time but all your posts come off like the worst kind of projection, It might not be true but I can imagine you glancing at the series and muttering "fuck this moe shit".

I guess alternatively you could have stopped watching anime already at this time. Which leads to the question of why are you still around a place like this? Do you like anything? etc etc etc

I just think you should know that you're the bitter one, and if you're not you have a funny way of showing us your zest for life.

1cced EoSD on Lunatic after a week of playing! I'm such a nerd x-DD

#nerdy #EET #swaginator420

>>11356511
>It's the defense of /jp/ from the memers and normal people

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but you're not breaking new ground. /jp/ is fun to hang around, but it's some safe haven from big bad normals. This isn't /a/. Nobody is deluded enough to think that /jp/ is some special hang out.

>>11356486
You should check out more stuff on Danny Choo's sites if you want cheap barely used nendos of stuff like K-On and Nichijou for only $50 each.

>>11356525
*it's not

>>11356519
:V

>>11356529
it was my first shmup and I started a week ago! yay! ᑈ

>>11356492
Since it seems like at least one person in here is conflating a product with getting popular as the same thing as a sub-culture going mainstream, I guess I'll link something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBYbnhH0YZk
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are popular but nothing about this girl is anything but fringe.

>>11356402
This also serves as the response I was going to make to myself. There's a difference between the subculture surrounding products and the products surrounding subculture. Plain and simply.

>>11356531
Fuck off dannypoo.
I am not going to give your site any hits.

AOTY

>>11356525
Then what is this all about?
>>11356356


>>11356524
Wait, is this the anime board? Have we got to watch anime to post here? Hell, have we got to watch anime to post on the anime board?

This seemed like a good thread to jump into a get out of /jp/ discussion being that the OP question is relevant to the get out of /jp/'ers.

>>11356538
TMNT aren't popular among people her age to begin. I'd be interested in understanding why she's like that.

>>11356581
I do hope you browse /jp/ for the 2d/random.
Anime is like 30% of the 2d culture.
Idolfags and japan so cool XD should fuck off.

>>11356581
>Then what is this all about?

You came off as a troll. But, in all seriousness. /jp/ like /a/ is 99.9% weeaboos. The only difference between /jp/ and the average con going fag is /jp/ delusional elitism. I think it's time for me to leave this place.

>>11356581
No, TMNT is still reasonably popular around people her age, she's just 26 after all. Most people her age fondly look back on it. I guess that you think TMNT is now officially "for children" kind of shows how out of touch or plain dense you really are.
>I'd be interested in understanding why she's like that.
If you can't understand how people get "like that" then you've got absolutely zero credentials to talk about this topic. I'm sure you can find her e-mail or something. Maybe she'll provide you the context because I just don't have the time for it. No amount of wikipedia articles will make up this deficiency either.

>>11356623
I don't know where you come from but TMNT is definitely not popular among twenty-somethings.
>Fondly look back
Implies they watched it as children. It was popular with them when they were children. They discussed it with other children. They lived out their lives as superhero turtles or whatever.
>is now officially "for children"
It's always been for children. Children (and teenagers) have always been the comic book audience. If you are 26 and obsessively living your life -as- a ninja turtle then something is off. You should be creating ninja turtles.

Of course I understand how people get like that. I'd be interested in her circumstances. Her parents must have really enabled her.

>>11355096
Who are you quoting?

>>11356658
I guess we can just disagree, I can't say the last time I spoke to someone around my age but I'd say it's still reasonably popular or mainstream. But even of quibbling over semantics.

The overall point is that buying a few TMNT toys off is not socially unacceptable. What that woman does is socially unacceptable. There is obviously a gap in your logic. There are actions which can be taken by any person to take a mainstream thing and move it out of the mainstream. So the idea that sub-culture is getting away from people because an album tops the charts or a facebook fanpage gets enough likes is ridiculous.

I'm not sure if it was your assertion but later you endorse the idea here >>11356492

The assertion that all punk must have always been mainstream because the "first punk album" hit #1 on the UK charts contains this gap in logic. It's mistaking subculture for a purchasing demographic. You think if some of the products surrounding a sub-culture jump in sales or if some media the sub-culture produces gets popular enough, that sub-culture is moving into the mainstream. While I believe society and culture are constantly trying to absorb all sub-culture and subversive movements, I don't think some product sales or facebook pages are representative of that.

>>11354898
Otaku is a way of life.

>>11356716
Otaku is a way of thinking.

wtf is this thread even about now, it reads like somebody preaching some damn "perspective" on hippy politics or spewing stream-of-consciousness nonsense about "noise" music or some shit

>>11356707
>socially unacceptable
Always rubs me the wrong way. This is why I can't stand "normalfags".

This thread is really bad.

Are you making conspiracy theories about how I'm twelve Trevor clones posting in sequence instead of one person, again?

>>11356707
This is a flaw in categorization and can't be defined any way you look at it.

>>11356707
It's also not ninja turtles that has anything to do with it. That's lent itself to her obsession, she could behave the same with anything and it would still be socially unacceptable. It's supreme selfishness.

>>11355352
> because the girls are "too young" or some other. bs
And that comes from people who have been fucking their little sister's 13 years old friends.

>>11356276
Last anime expo, his entire booth sold out of merch.

>>11356663
>who are you quoting?

>>11355405
There is no god huh?

There's nothing normal about it. If you walk into a high school and start talking about otaku stuff people will laugh you out of the building.

>>11357647
God is dead

>>11357647
you dropped this sir

>>11357671
Thank you kind sir, I'm euphoric again.

Moral of the story: western people are dumb, the end.

>>11356658
>. Children (and teenagers) have always been the comic book audience.


Please stop talking about things you don't understand. The average comic reader is in their 20's. This isn't the silver age.

>>11354938
Those aren't actual photos? Damn.

>>11357647
Man, I just had to find out what you were talking about. I could've saved myself the quiet rage within me. I was having a great day, too...

>>11357706
You are a gentleman, and a scholar.

*tips fedora*

>>11357792

>western people

Should I point out the irony?

>>11357929

What irony?

>>11356707
>There is obviously a gap in your logic. There are actions which can be taken by any person to take a mainstream thing and move it out of the mainstream. So the idea that sub-culture is getting away from people because an album tops the charts or a facebook fanpage gets enough likes is ridiculous.

What if someone does not want to take his interests one step further every time the rest of the society catches up to him? Does he stop being part of the subculture?

>The assertion that all punk must have always been mainstream because the "first punk album" hit #1 on the UK charts

The same statement is true for any musical genre, including pop. Nevertheless, the *concept* of punk was always present in the mainstream, ever since its conception. Sure this does not mean everyone who actually followed it (and "followed" is a key word here, music was first in this chicken-and-egg problem) was part of the mainstream, because, you're right, everything can always be taken to the underground. I'm just afraid that the only people who will be satisfied with that kind of solution are people who want to be underground for the sake of being underground.

>>11354886
Not really. Everyone's redneck here.

I asked a friend in Steam [does this make me normal, being able to fluently talk with people through typing on Valve's STEAM?] and we were discussing if people who liked /mlp/ were normies, he said that liking My Little Pony is normal, mainstream and for casuals, I always though they were weirder than us, who is right?

>>11357930
Touhou means Eastern.

>>11359343
I don't get it.

No and never will be. It is inherently something out of ordinary.

>>11359340
MLP has higher acceptance in the west.
One is called a pedo otaku scum, the other is just a nerd XD.

>>11359340
MLP fandom is full of SO QUIRKY normals, just like homestuck and shit that's been made popular by tumblr.

>>11359340
Why would you think normal isn't weirder?

People are special little creatures. They're just people. They operate by simple rules that leads to emergent behavior and acquired traits. Humans can adapt to the craziest and dumbest stuff. Most people have an embedded need to seek out acceptance. Extending childhood into young adulthood has stunted the emotional growth of western adults which in turn leads to less strict internal correction of behavior and more impulsive action to appease the sense of belonging. Being retarded and sabotaging your own well being is a very normal thing to do in the west.

i'm watching hunter x hunter, oreimo s2, shingeki no kyojin, space brothers, tamayura s2, gin no saji, danganronpa and watashi ga motenai
downloaded blood and kiniro mosiac but have not watched them yet #jp