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They have their own word for white and pink as well.

What's even more fucked up is that "red" and "green" are the same weird. Or maybe it was red and blue.

Either way there's some word where one word means two colors and you're supposed to figure it out based on context.

What the HELL did Americans call coffee with milk before "latte" came along?

(TL note "latte" is Italian for milk)

pink = light red

idot

>>11330995
I thought it was green and blue.

>>11330987
I thought it was green and blue. But even still isn't there different words for those too?

>>11330999
>>11330982
>getting this mad literally over nothing
wow I knew you guys were shut-in nerds but damn bro

>>11331000
if you're drinking green and blue coffee with milk, you're probably not going to feel well later.

>>11331002
>laterally lolling out loud
i rolfed in your post

>>11331005
I was just guessing, green and blue sounds like it might make more sense.

I think there was a specific word for clarification, but in everyday speech they just use that one word and you're expected to know based on the context it's said in.

Can anyone elaborate on this?

>>11331008
stay mad virgin

Grue, look it up.

>>11331015

>>11331022
Rawr.

>>11331014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_of_blue_and_green_in_various_languages
>According to Brent Berlin and Paul Kay's 1969 study Basic Color Terms: Their Universality and Evolution, distinct terms for brown, purple, pink, orange and grey will not emerge in a language until the language has made a distinction between green and blue. In their account of the development of color terms the first terms to emerge are those for white/black (or light/dark), red and green/yellow

You really should learn how to google things..

Seriously though, disregarding OP being a complete retard, "orenji" for orange always bugged me.

Did they have a word for orange before encountering the West or not? Denshi Jisho turns up nothing for orange but orenji.

>>11331051

韞

>>11331051
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/colors/japanese/

>>11331051

A need to distinguish pure orange wasn't necessary in old timey days

It used to be called yellowred in english until relatively recently when they started calling it by the fruit

>>11331036
I assume that theory excludes something-iro as color terms?

Because I've read Heian period texts that refer to pink and brown.

>>11331064
If that were the case English still hasn't developed a special word for orange.

>>11331051

Orange was a relatively new word in the english language as well, the fruit isn't actually that colour naturally but rather green instead. It was years of selective human breeding that produced oranges of that colour, how closely this is tied to the use of the word for the colour I do not know however.

>>11331078
Interesting. Was there any reason for that? Did the color affect its taste?

橙黄色

>>11331080
It was to get them to grow outside of their natural climate. The change in color was just a side effect.

>>11331093
citation needed

>>11331093
Didn't they try this with some other fruit but all the people on the fruit ship mutinied and lived on Paradise Island instead?

白豚は家を帰れ

i think you forgetted about momoiro and shiro, friend

>>11330979
>teh
Please kill yourself, sub-human.

Now explain me why they don't have a word for 'minus'
マイナス
Didn't they had notion about negative numbers before the contact with the west?

ももいろ

>>11331197
math isn't one of the life essentials pal they would have probably been talking about rice or dead people so there's other words.

>>11331193
thats not very nice, it could have been an accident

>>11331051
橙色

>>11331197
Why do Americans used Arabic numerals?

Did they have no notion of numbers before contact with Arabs?

>>11331051
炎色

>>11331224
>Did they have no notion of numbers before contact with Arabs?
Roman numerals.
Arabic numerals were adopted when it was realized the number zero allowed for a greater precision for calculating interest and exchange rates. The West didn't fully adopt Arabic numerals until after the Protestant Reformation.

Japanese actually has a plethora of color names.

I mean, just for blue you have shit like
青、蒼炎色、蒼、藍色、碧

>>11331051
枳殻

>>11331233
You listed あお three times. If you want to include different types of blue though then you have stuff like 瑠璃色　and 水色

>>11331239
> calculating interest
> urusury
>jews and arabs conspiring the downfall of christianity

>>11331197
Japanese education has followed Western models since the Meiji Restoration and before that Chinese, I think. Math and science were subjects largely adopted from the West as Japan modernized. Same goes for their political and economic systems.

Japan is like a pastiche of various different cultures that are then "Japanified" into something fairly unique. Animation is a good example.

>>11331207
>>11331224
>>11331255
And nobody mentions that that DO use a japanese word, 引く, for "minus". Although I'm not sure what they use when they say something like "negative 5".

>>11331239
>>11331250
They're actually indian numerals.

>>11331250
>jews and arabs conspiring the downfall of christianity
Hey it worked.

>>11331263
Yeah, we call them arabic numerals because the west learned them from the arabs, who learned them from the indians

This isn't Japan General you fucking idiot. Get out.

>>11331186
Isn't momoiro peach colored?

>>11331315
And what color are peaches usually?

Checkmate atheist.

>>11331322
Peach colored?

>>11331322
After Google-ing the fruit, I noticed that it looks like a pale version of red and orange mixture. It's pinkish, but it's not pink.

>>11331335
いいじゃんべつに

>>11331322
Peach is R 255 G 229 B180

精子の白

Learn Japanese traditional colors.
http://www.colordic.org/w/

>>11331469

Thread over.

>>11330995
>Italian

mio dio #based

>>11331155
Breadfruit, I believe that was. I forgot the name of the ship, but I know what incident you speak of.

>>11331469

How come green doesn't exist in Japan?

>>11331469
What the hell? Why didn't they give them names instead of numbers?

>>11332163
Jeez, does it hurt to just click the goddamn link? Are you that lazy?

>>11332237

I thought it was a virus...

>>11331258
>引く, for "minus"
Just to be clear, 引く means "subtraction".
They call the negative numbers as 負の数 in their language.

>I'm not sure what they use when they say something like "negative 5".
They simply say it "マイナス 5" (minus go).

Until recently, that is the more or less 18th century, Japanese people were a bunch of peasants living in huts, like Hawaii, Tahiti, or any other numbers of islands nations. It's funny how people tends to forget that fact for the reason that Japan is now a very civilized country. They weren't. They were barely barbarians.

What they called "art" was ridiculously bad graffiti without notion of perspective, anatomy or real colours. Their "soldiers" had armours made of wood. Their "literatures" were very small texts, their beliefs were firmly animistic. When the Mongol came, they were so unknown of the laws of war that they would have been utterly destroyed, if not for some luck.

So yes, they didn't have a word for pink, or blue, or green. They didn't need it when they were a bunch of dirty plebs in wooden huts or castle made of bamboo. Are you really surprised op?

>>11332269
What luck?

>>11330999
nice trips

>>11332273
divine wind I think

>>11332269
>Until recently, that is the more or less 18th century, Japanese people were a bunch of peasants living in huts.
Most places were peasants living in huts up until the fifteenth century. Europe had a thousand year head start on civilization anyway.

>When the Mongol came, they were so unknown of the laws of war that they would have been utterly destroyed, if not for some luck.
The Mongols utterly destroyed everyone than ran into, civilized or not.

>>11332273
In 1274, a big Mongol forces invaded Japan. The Mongol had gunpowder bombs, catapults, very precise military, all the science of China and advantage of numbers. All in all, they were the civilized one. The Japanese were a bunch of peasants living in huts, totally unknown to the art of warfare, and their highest ranking military were a bunch of untrained Samurai with wooden armours and wooden weapons.

A storms killed 75% of the Mongol invasion force. If not for the storm, Japan would have been Mongol.

>>11332269
This post made my day

>>11332273

>>11332269
lol you sound really mad and jelly. like mad jelly

stop getting mad that japan is better than you

>>11332269
gr8 b8 m8 i give it 8 out of 8

>>11332295
>A storms killed 75% of the Mongol invasion force.

Even God himself favors the Glorious Nippon. No wonder every other country is this mad.

gook language is retarded

more news at 11

>>11332302
>>11332299
Yes Birry defend us from the howait piggu we'll have you be honorary nihonjin

>>11332299
Japanese are dreamers, kinda like the french, they are deluded, just because you like their anime, doesnt mean that the japanese are historically unimpressive and behind the times.

Japs like to think they are the best, but when someone poibts out the bullshit, they lash out and shows what they really are all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYfHWsWJhtg

DONT RAGH, JAPAN BETTHAR~!!

>>11332313
made as fuck lol

Not that this discussion was going to be great at all, but you could at least try and not make it completely retarded.

>retards defending japan
>i bet they don't even speak japanese
the only time i would defend japan is if it's against the chon or sina

>>11331132
google it yourself you lazy dumbfuck

>>11332316
Hideaki Ueda: DONT RAFF HOWAITO PIGGU, GO BAKU TOU AMERIKA~!

>>11332313
Reminds me of those Japanese /int/ posters.

>>11332329

I doubt more than 10% of /int/'s Japanese posters are actually Japanese.

>>11332336
With all the awful English and "Japanese language only" circlejerk threads I'd say it's 80%.

Mongol fuckbois took the dick from samurai.

Colors are actually cultural believe it or not and while everyone recognizes basic colors like Red, Green, and Blue there are shades of colors that different cultures can and cannot see.

I have a fine arts minor and one of the things we learned is some tribes in Africa don't have words for different shades of blue and have trouble recognizing shapes presented to them embedded in slightly different shades of blue in a sort of cultural color-blindness while they have far more different words for shades of green than you or I have and can spot slight color differences faster than people in the west.

There's a lot of research which has been done on it. It's interesting to look into it if you've got a chance.

>>11332489

>I have a fine arts minor

Why did you pay money to take classes in jewish indoctrination?

>>11332497
It was fun and I don't agree in a jewish conspiracy

>>11331204

>>11332489

I learnt this first hand as a child.

I had very precise definitions of red, orange, and pink, but all the other kids mixed them up all the time.