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>>11281315
maybe its flandres bed? bed for vampire visits?

she considers herself dead, obviously

Obviously she bought one just for the novelty value.

>>11281317
the wings on the bed look like remi's.

also all the fairies in the series seem to be unique. I wonder why there arnt more known ones. If they all worked togather they probably could cause a reasonable incident

>>11281329
They do work together. It happens in almost every stage. It usually doesn't work.

>>11281321
then why would she get upset and feel the need to correct people when they make jokes about her sleeping in a coffin

>>11281326
She could have, but i hightly doubt she'd have kept it on her bed.

>>11281329
Fairies working together is like suggesting /jp/ unite for a single cause.

She sleeps in a coffin in forbidden scrollery too

She is the Dead Princess after all

>>11281315
It's the opposite, it really was a running joke. In CoLA, Reimu jokes at Remilia about sleeping in a coffin, Remilia retorts "no that's dumb". In IN, Reimu makes a similar joke and Remilia retorts the same. SEVERAL YEARS LATER we see she sleeps in a coffin.
I'm sad that people first see this as an error rather than a joke.

>>11281342
so the coffin in the manor was a joke, or was it really an error?

>>11281333
No i mean like imagine lilly, cirno, dai-chan, the the light sisters, ALONG with all the other fairys to pull off an incident of unprecidented proportions. They would have surpirse and underestimation on their side. Not to mention its actual canon that cirno can hold up against someone as strong as marisa. Immagine if she was augmented. However >>11281335
is most certainly right.

>>11281357
Two midbosses, a stage two boss, and three faeries who lost to that stage two boss are combining their powers. Terrifying!

>>11281359
A stage 2 boss whos as strong as a powerful human, fairys that could mask danmaku making them invisible or making their positions all skewed, a fairy that can release a stupid amount of danmaku at once, immagine if she snuck up from the bottom of the screen.

the real problem they lack is direction.

>>11281357
The joke is that Remilia keeps bullshitting about vampires not sleeping in coffins because sleeping in a coffin sounds like it's demeaning her, yet she does sleep in one. As said above, her coffin is shown in FS as well, but the fact that it was a running joke to begin with makes it clear it was the punchline.

>>11281362
All the danmaku you see in 12.8 was exaggerated in Cirno's mind.

>>11281363
I know that, but lily still releases crazy amounts suddenly if you remember form PoFV and some of her other appearances

>>11281317
No.

>>11281332
You've never been upset because of people laughing at things you do? "No, of course I don't fap to Chinese cartoons, that would be stupid." Or something.

>>11281335
Suggesting fairies work is like suggesting /jp/ work.

>>11281315
You're just not used to ZUN's storytelling style.

Let's make it simple. Real continuity error is when both "A is true" and "A is not true" happen. Most of ZUN "errors" are of the form "character B says A is true" and "A is not true", which, when you pay close attention, is not actually inconsistent in any way.

>>11281384
eh i suppose thats a reasonable answer. makes her alot cuter in my eyes now that she gets so embarrassed about it though. I wonder if she actually needs to though.

also i think like jp they have a lot more than we give them credit for, but it will be a very rare and special occasion worthy of talking about for the ages if they ever actually pulled togather and used all their strengths

>>11281315
Vampires go to the coffin to heal from injuries inflicted while acquiring prey, but they do not need to sleep in them every day. In fact, vampires can go days without sleeping no problem. They're like uberhumans. They don't get cancer, for instance. I happen to be an expert on this.

>>11281410
can they kill servants

Remilia is not undead. She's the type of devil that possesses a corpse to turn it into an undead-type vampire. At her current level and location, though, she doesn't need a corpse to possess.

Therefore, despite looking like one, the box on her bed is obviously not a coffin. Coffins are for corpses, and Remilia is not a corpse right now. It is definitely a sleeping box, because she absolutely has some sort of reverse claustrophobia or something. See, are coffins as comfortable-looking on the inside as the box in >>11281384 is?

And >>11281342 is obviously not her real bed. That's a decoy for any vampire hunters that come along and try to stake her in her bed. If you opened it, it would bite down on your arms and hold you fast until Sakuya could get to you. I mean look at it, it is pretty obviously not the one that >>11281384 shows her sleeping in.

OP, don't forget that ZUN can't even remember which eye colour his characters have. That and characters often just talk bullshit to make themself look better

How about the games?

Sakuya can kill you while time is stopped. From a story point of view she should not be allowed to do this since it raises the question why she does not just do it instantly in every fight she is in. It's easiest to achieve during her Level 7-5 card in STB.

>>11281476
Because she's never trying to actually kill anyone dead.

>>11281446
Servants are mostly hard to kill because they have spiritual bodies rather than physical bodies.

Some types of youkai are the same. Others are just a lot weaker against spiritual attacks than against physical attacks. In any case, attacks that work on spiritual bodies are common in Gensokyo.

If you're talking power levels, I'll point out that Yumeko used a technique very similar to the Gate of Babylon, and then some, six years before Fate was even published. Reimu, of course, dodged the whole thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50KyMInt0VE
It starts at 0:28. She also uses an improved version starting at 1:06.

>>11281493
She beats you while time is stopped. It already happened. It's not some hypothetical scenario. Why doesn't she do it in every fight? Because of bad programming and lack of testing. She shouldn't even be able to do it once. Makes no sense for the setting.

>>11281519
probably because there are inherient abilities of youkai to stop that from happening.

also i doubt she has the stamina to keep up a time stop and activate another spell card. thus being required to use minor attacks while in time freeze, which all of the stronger opponents can withstand hundreds of. to be honest its a stronger defensive power than offensive, however it can be great in the right moments.

brush up on the laws of spell cards and it will make sense.

>>11281535
Stop making shit up to excuse bad programming and i hope you realize that you lose a life if even the most minor thing touches you. Sakuya should never lose any spellcard duels in the shooters if she can just stop time to win instantly by flying into you instead of being forced to make weird knife patterns around your character.

>>11281562
you havnt read the rules/laws of danmaku have you...

and yea for the purposes of the game the hits are going to be a bit different, but think about it. you can actively dodge all that shit. the AI has to just stand there and suck it up (except in PoFV where you were on equal playing terms). thats how its balancing it out. What still doesnt make sense to you

>>11281519
She never beats you while time is stopped, unless her sprite actually runs into yours while time is stopped. Yes, that's bad programming, but it doesn't happen very often.

>>11281692
thats because keeping time stopped is a spell card and a very energy consuming ability to begin with and any enemy worth using it against cant be defeated with the base minor attacks in that duration. insead she uses the time stop to dodge OR spread out a bunch of more powerful danmaku that will resume with time and use that to funnel her opponent into vastly more powerful attacks

>>11281692
>>11281685
Fact is that it should not happen even once since it implies that she can just win her fights that way which makes no sense for the whole setting. Spellcards are made to be dodgeable. You can't dodge if you can't even move. Getting hit even once in any Touhou shooter is the equivalent of getting punched 50 times in the fighters. It would be the most unfair advantage in the whole setting if she was allowed to do stuff like that. Since it can happen it goes against the established rules which is what this is all about.

>>11281752
It is dodgeable. Don't want to be hit? Don't get in her way. It's not like her movement is particularly random.

>>11281759
Sure it's dodgeable if you don't trigger the bad programming at all. But that's not what this is about. It's about the fact that you die instantly while time is stopped. While it is stopped you can't move, which means you can't dodge. You are helpless. During that time you should not be attacked at all since 1 hit = lose. During that period of time it's 100% undodgeable which should never be happening. You can't even bomb. Even that POFV AI couldn't dodge anymore. That time stop should be your one short save moment during her spell, yet it isn't.

>>11281810
Youmu will also kill you instantly if you're standing in a dumb place. The solution is not to stand in dumb places.

Yes, in-universe, Aya would stop and say, "hey, Sakuya, that didn't count," and Sakuya would probably say, "yeah, that was really sort of bullshit," and they'd start over.

>>11281810
>the bad programming
Seriously, do you just mean if you get up in her face and she runs into you? You'd have to be really retarded to complain about that so I hope you don't actually mean this.

>>11281815
>and they'd start over

Which wouldn't really make it any different from a "valid" hit anyway.

>>11281820
If you want good score in STB you have to move right into her face. That card forces you to move slow as fuck all the time anyway so if Sakuya moves in too close you can't even get away since you must supercharge your camera. You barely have enough time to charge it before she surrounds you with knives again.

I think we are all forgetting the simple fact that Remilia could be lying to the others.

Maybe she doesn't want others to know she uses a coffin?

>>11282049

StB/DS stages aren't danmaku duels. The girls there are demonstrating their power and Aya/Hatate are just taking pictures.

Remilia was lying. She's a vampire. Vampires are evil. Lying is evil. Ergo Remilia lied.

>>11282580
>Lying is evil
*Evil always lies

>>11282533
Lying about sleeping in a coffin, lying about descending from Dracula's lineage... Jeez, what a dishonest little girl. Someone ought to give her a good scolding.

>>11283205
Evil seeks to do evil. Evil will tell the truth if it does evil. Therefore, evil will tell the truth.

If evil tells the truth, then evil does not always not tell the truth.

>>11283223

>Remilia is not undead. She's the type of devil that possesses a corpse to turn it into an undead-type vampire. At her current level and location, though, she doesn't need a corpse to possess.

Incorrect. She is either a human that became a vampire, or an entity that was created as a vampire from the beginning. An evil spirit that comes to possess a body that isn't its own is usually known as a revenant or a ghoul, depending on its particular inclinations.

>>11281740

Actually we have no idea if it takes any particular effort on Sakuya's part to constant stop and start time.

Considering she maintains the entirety of the SDM by herself (the fairies don't help her at all), I would have to doubt it does.

As for the original point of the thread - ZUN doesn't seem to keep very good track of the way his artist's represent things. We still have no idea what the SDM actually looks like for example, or whether or not anyone involved in official material even remembers that it was mentioned to be on an island in the middle of Misty lake in EoSD's prologue.

>>11283369
If you go by that interview in SOPM, ZUN doesn't even care about many things. Didn't explain everything to Aki Eda? Who cares lol, just let her draw things however she wants.

>>11281326
>>11282533
She uses it just to fit the cool vampire stereotype. Oh, Milady is so cute!


>>11281338
Indeed.

And if I remember correctly there is another picture from an official manga where its hinted that Remilia sleeps in a coffin.


Oh, and unrelated, but my Remifumo arrived.
Happiness!

>>11281315
everything in canon is excusable because ZUN doesn't give a fuck

>>11283369
>We still have no idea what the SDM actually looks like for example
Probably because it doesn't matter. Giving it a strict layout seems unnecessary, why would you even want one?
>>11283404
Pretty much this. The important parts are just whatever he actually intends to include, the rest the artists can do what they want with. It doesn't mean he doesn't care period, just that he doesn't care about maintaining some sort of pristine design standard.

>>11283879
more like "ZUN doesn't give a fuck about the things I would give a fuck about so I can just ignore it entirely" right

>>11285068

>Probably because it doesn't matter. Giving it a strict layout seems unnecessary, why would you even want one?

I'm not saying we need a full blown layout of the place, but the fact that despite being a major staple location in the series and being shown multiple times in multiple works, its never drawn the same way twice.

Even screwing up major details, such as barely having any windows, gets screwed up by official works artists.

At times the inconsistency of the series is part of its charm, but at others it comes off as just plain sloppy as hell.

>>11285205
Nothing in Touhou is ever drawn the same way twice unless the artists get lazy and just re-use old sprites/art.

>>11285205
>screwing up (...) gets screwed up

Is that double negation?

>>11285313

Sorry, all woozy on the Nyquils.

>>11285313

Sorry, all woozy on the Nyquils. You know what I meant.

>>11285295

So what, that makes it alright when it just keeps happening, even with basic details?

>>11285383
Of course not, but it also means it's never going to stop since ZUN himself doesn't even give a fuck about anything. There is no need to get upset over it anymore.

>>11283249
>revenant
Originally, vampires were a subset of revenants that drank blood.