/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Look how quirky I am as I walk around with my 3dgf and daki XD

>That fellatio when even Melonpan has a girlfriend and you're less ugly than him.

>>11208052
reminds me of that nerdy looking fucker that used to post pictures of himself at car shows holding a dakimakura

He sounds angry.

He should have checked his rich privilege.

You didn't post this for the dakimakura you sly fox you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=367TPPX52Ss

Is that a traditional German unisex bathing suit or something?

Why the fuck would you take a dakimakura outside? Not only do you look like an insufferable douche, you're going to ruin it.

>>11208149
German humor.

That pains me to watch. Especially since I keep picturing my dakimakura drenched in water.

Why does he keep licking his wife? Europeans are weird, man.

>>11208148
>Holo daki

That motherfucker.

>>11208150
Is this the guy who made the video of the licking method for cleaning figures?

>>11208148
Which one of those playboys does that last one belong to?

>>11208148
Just look at those pathetic manchildren touhoufags, while the mature and educated animefaggot with good taste has a Korbo.

>>11208167
me.

Are those lolis his, or do German's just let their lolis roam free and talk to weird guys with little girl pillows?

>>11208148
I wonder how many /jp/sies look like these greasy fags.

So is she his actual girlfriend or something? I thought that "Potatochan" was his girlfriend? Or a germans just really "open?"

>Is a weeb loser
>Has a girlfriend somehow
...
>Rich
gg

>>11208185

>>11208189
Who are you quoting?

>>11208192
Who keeps wine in the fridge door?

>>11208189
WOAH EPIC SURPRISE

>>11208125
This is bizarre

>>11208199
>FINNCON
I rused.

By the way, I'm quoting Christian Weston Chandler, the original creator of Sonichu the electric hedgehog pokemon and Rosechu.

>>11208202
Where was that posted in this thread?

>>11208125
Nice stolen trance/uk-hardcore riffs, nigger.

>>11208194
trick question

>>11208206
It's called sampling.

>>11208212
>>11208194
>>11208185
Hold on, isn't this guy from /o/?

I swear I've seen there on /o/ before.

>>11208221
how the shit should we know, crossboarder?

>>11208225
>we

>>11208233
We all don't live in the Nazi UK.

>>11208214
Copyrightpolice is on youse ass

>>11208214
>muh sampling
Rap niggers have no creativity.

>>11208242
Who are you quoting?

>woman body
>no dick
>has gf

how...

>>11208247
Who are you quoting?

>>11208245
le epic meem xDD

>>11208248
>cum part of the print

Why?

>>11208251
Get out crossboarder.

>>11208242
Indeed, I find that weeb nigger awful anyway.

>>11208252
Who are you quoting?

>>11208256
>>11208250
>>11208245

>>11208203
Stop acting like a fucking retard, dude.

>>11208253
le epic meem xDD

Ok, ok, we already know you are trying to fit in.

>>11208262
Where did your quote from?

>>11208272
I really dislike that image.

>>11208262
Says the guy posting with meme arrows.

This was funny the first couple of times I saw it a lifetime or so ago.

I guess these are the type of guys who buy figures just so they can post pics of their rooms on the internet rather than for their own personal enjoyment. There's something really sad about that.

>>11208247
Job and money.

I want /a/ to leave.

>>11208269
you're mothers asshole lel

>>11208271
Says the guy who obviously is not from this board, you're still on the "elitists" phase and you have a lot of work to do if you want to become a true /jp/usie.

>>11208268
Stop shitposting and just go back to your shit hole already.

>>11208277
Free /jp/

Please stop being mean to each other.

>>11208282
>Says the guy who obviously is not from this board
You?

>>11208273
I only did it because a hot girl asked

>>11208289
Only when the crossboarders leave.

>>11208296
I'm not sure if you're being ironic or not, but you should relax and stop repeating what other newfags say, make your own conclusions and let other people do whatever they want.

>>11208309
You should go back to /a/.

>>11208128
Wow, that guy looks like the average Metallica fan.

>>11208309
You're talking to a bot. He's incapable of thinking for himself.

>>11208338
Yeah, I noticed that, but thanks dude.

>>11208362
I noticed you're a faggot.

>>11208362
>>11208366
Holy FUCK this fucking queer just got owned

>>11208372

Stop this, please.

>>11208366
EPIC
ASS
FUCK

>>11208366
Leave him alone you jerk.

Lets go back to talking about dakimakuras.

>>11208393
Jerk me off, nerd.

>>11208398
Whip out your wee wee then dude, I'll be glad to wank your little friend.

>>11208399
Do it faggot.
Pull the trigger...

>>11208403
>>11208398

lewd!!!

>>11208125
so nerd otaku epq soriginal ur funny my hors'doeuvres oute the rsturnat tnks 4 teh link sbuscribed n likd upvodted 11/10 bst new music 3thmbs up sent ;)

All these "otaku", soiling these lovely girls.

Truly the worstest. Maybe one day, after the revolution, we can hold public executions for this particular type of trash.

>>11208399
Did you rename that image or are posting sans trip per /jp/ courtesy?

why are the people that buy these things all so ugly?

>>11208446
You think fucking nerds will take the time to practice good hygiene, fashion, and make any attempt to make themselves not look ugly?

>>11208446
I do it to fit the stereotype.

>>11208446
I just like to assume normal looking daki owners don't take pictures of themselves with them.

>>11208451
yeah before going outside and taking a picture

>>11208456
normals are more inclined to take pictures of themselves

>>11208458
>normals are more inclined to take pictures of themselves

Yea, but not with dakimakuras.

>>11208458
Perhaps he meant "respectable", rather than "normal". There is no doubt in my mind that each and every person with a picture of themselves with a daki is a normalfag doing so under the guise of irony and a need to satisfy an exhibitionist compulsion.

>>11208460
Normals only buy dakis to be otacool and quirky

>>11208460
"Geek Chic" just called and said it's been trying to reach you for the last decade.

>>11208458
Not all of these are people going around looking to get their pictures taken and trying to attention whore. Sometimes people just fucking take them around and some other faggot rubbernecks over and takes a picture.

But a lot of them still are fucking god awful and could use work at the base level.

>>11208472
>Not all of these are people going around looking to get their pictures taken and trying to attention whore.
Haha, oh man. Just like how girls dress like whores not to get looks right?

>>11208476
You'd honestly be surprised. You should stop blaming the victim all the time and realize that not everybody is out to seek attention or necessarily want it.

>>11208479
who ITT wouldn't have been looking for attention?
why else would you leave your house with a pillow?

>>11208482
You ever heard of this concept of going outside and having fun?

>>11208483
They're leaving their houses with dakimakuras, that shit is 100% for attention.

You're probably some convention going normal, kill yourself.

>>11208479
>not everybody is out to seek attention or necessarily want it.
Of course, that's why a people lather themselves in distinctive symbols that actively contradict this delusional idea of propriety.

I discriminate against blacks but I'm not a racist, lol.

Normalfag doublethink never ceases to amaze me.

>>11208483
Like a woman here I'm sure you dont wear slutty whore clothes for attention either do you slut

>>11208483
Using a character as a springboard to attract attention is only "fun" to a normalfag. The whole idea is poison to people who are actually sincere, you know, people who care about the character and not how the look with a dakimakura of the character. Or maybe you don't know.

>>11208483
How is it fun to drag around a pillow that you hump at night and get it dirty? The way you're defending this means there's a good chance you're one of the pictured normals ITT.

>>11208488
How is it fun to get into a fucking deathbox on wheels and go faster than the human body ever evolved to move in the first place?

How is it fun to fucking strap plastic planks to your feet and go down a mountain?

How is it fun to fucking sit on your ass all day and do nothing productive killing time being a blight upon society?

>>11208498
Those have nothing to do with his point unless you think degrading a character is "fun".

>>11208504
How is it "degrading a character" unless the image is explicitly lewd and degrading to the character in the first place, does it even matter?

You all act as if this is some kind of blasphemy against the church of the waifu. When did everyone become such cultists?

>>11208493
I'd say that people are more sincere if they are going out to have fun with a physical representation with a character they like without the ulterior motive of attention whoring. Like that Nii-san guy or the Korean guy who married Fate.

>>11208513
>does it even matter?
I feel sorry for the characters, being dragged around like a god damned pet so some slimy fuck can either get a few laughs with his friends or some perverse sense of pleasure at all the stares he gets from the general public. Tell me how this ISN'T degrading.

>>11208515
>I'd say that people are more sincere if they are going out to have fun with a physical representation with a character they like without the ulterior motive of attention whoring.
The problem with that is the assumption that a physical representation is the character. I am always with the character I love, I don't need to drag a dakimakura around to affirm this. How is it sincere? At best, it's extreme delusion to the point where a person thinks the pillow IS the character. In which case, how does she feel being reduced to that, I wonder.

>Like that Nii-san guy or the Korean guy who married Fate.
Even though I admire Nii-san in a way, he still sought a flesh-and-blood girlfriend and he makes the mistake of confusing the character with her representation. I don't know about the Korean guy.

What good does it do to bring the dakimakura around? It will only attract attention, and as obviously seen by this thread, this is the purpose of the act itself.

>>11208251
>>11208268
That's a pretty epic meme you've got there yourself. If you're so fed up with being asked who you're quoting, maybe you should stop using greentext like a fucking /v/ subhuman.

>>11208531
>>11208528
We itasha now.

>>11208252
The cum is actually the only good part of that one.

>>11208470
You really think the new "bazimga" fashion has advanced to the stage of otakus being fashion? No dude, not at all. Dakis either are pathetic or used as a joke, but never as "geek chic"

>>11208530
> I am always with the character I love
And before that you talk about how something is degrading for a fictional character. You certainly are one to talk about "extreme delusion" indeed

>>11208530
So you create a construct within your mind that forces you to put a negative connotation on something simply because you find it insulting or disrespectful. That sounds more like a personal problem than an overbearing one. But that is ultimately up to you.

In either case it would be considered extreme delusion, be it a physical representation that helps give something to see and feel, or something completely in the head. Again you are persecuting the actions of one side simply because you don't like it.

Nii-san just stated something that is pretty much true outside of people who are truly a-sexaul or completely introverted to an unhealthy level. Any psychologist would back up his statement, regardless of your personal opinion, that's the opinion of every major Psychology Association.

The Korean guy was some poor sap that got put on a pretty mean show to get gawked at by normals because his family was shamed by his hobbies and behavior. He seemed really embarrassed and discomforted by any attention he got that wasn't just a few odd looks of inquiry.

And now you are putting your entire case into the evidence of a single thread on 4chan whose original post was to show somebody who actually goes out and attention whores as much as possible setting the trend for the rest of the thread, until pictures that were much more candid started getting posted and simply assumed that they should get grouped in to the same fucking thing.

>>11208541
You missed the point. It's appropriating fringe symbols for the sake of increasing one's social capital.

>used as a joke
This is one of the tenets of geek chic: irony. Guess what? Hipsters have been doing this shit forever now. I wouldn't be surprised if Urban Outfitters had anime shirts now. I know Hot Topic has them. You know? The same place that sells those god damned bazinga shirts? Dakis are merely an extension of the same thing.

Just the fact that you refer to them as "otakus" is sign enough that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>11208549
>You certainly are one to talk about "extreme delusion" indeed
Did I ever say I wasn't delusional? I just have the sense to create the distinction between the character I love and a god damned pillow. At least, enough of a distinction so that I don't drag it through the mud and giggles and stares of other people.

But enough of red herrings.

>>11208532
if you're so devastated by being called out on your shitty memes maybe you shouldn't use them

>>11208556
>So you create a construct within your mind that forces you to put a negative connotation on something simply because you find it insulting or disrespectful
Please tell me how it isn't insulting and disrespectful. Tell me how taking a daki outside is not a bargain for attention.

The very semiotic of it is contradictory if what you say is actually the case. It's like a woman dressing like a whore, but denying it was for sexual attention.

>Again you are persecuting the actions of one side simply because you don't like it.
One, that's how persecution works. Two, I have reasoning to back up this view.

>Nii-san just stated something that is pretty much true outside of people who are truly a-sexaul or completely introverted to an unhealthy level.
Does he want a physical girl or a character? He has melded his desires into neither. I appreciate his devotion to the character, but I can't agree with what he's done to her. He's supplicating a desire for a real person with a simulacrum. Before that, the character was not a falsity, only an ideal--a symbol.

When I hug my dakimakura, it is to get closer to this symbol, not the pillow itself.

>He seemed really embarrassed and discomforted by any attention he got that wasn't just a few odd looks of inquiry.
I wonder how Saber felt? Now imagine this being done on purpose, the victim reveling in the attention.

>And now you are putting your entire case into the evidence of a single thread on 4chan whose original post was to show somebody who actually goes out and attention whores as much as possible setting the trend for the rest of the thread, until pictures that were much more candid started getting posted and simply assumed that they should get grouped in to the same fucking thing.
And yet, my case has more evidence than yours. I would love to see more exceptions to this rule other than Nii-san and your Korean guy (exceptions that, mind you, do not actually support your argument).

>>11208581
You should know very well that it was designed to discourage lazy fucks from only posting with greentext. I applaud the poster who has been especially aggressive with it recently. Sorry, but /jp/ will not become a mess of walls of green like you want it to be.

>>11208601
What is he using to hold that cover up?

>>11208589
It isn't disrespectful if you don't personal feel it to be. There is nothing "real" about the feelings or thoughts of a character or ideal or symbol or whatever the fuck you want to call it. It is all an internal based thought process that differs from individual to individual. This will always be true and heavily dependent on the environment surrounding the person as well as personal ideologies. As much as you could say that it's insulting and disrespectful because you want to think of "her" feelings, what about the people who actually do it, or other people that have either a non-cynical or neutral feeling about it. That's the whole thing behind this concept is that it is whatever you want it to be, there aren't any rules, the aren't any fucking regulations or expectations for it. It's a more modern concept that hasn't completely settled itself into society yet much less the subculture it originated from.

I know how persecution works, I'm just stating the obvious here simply to remind people of what is actively happening and that in and of itself unwarranted persecution of things that don't directly impact you in any meaningful way is retarded and immature. Regardless of your "reasons" unless it's some fucking traumatic event that forced you to become a self-conscious "think of the children" behavior that you should go get help with, it will be a bunch of bullocks.

>>11208676
>>11208589
As much as I hate using this argument. The absence of evidence is not necessarily the evidence of absence. It's much harder to prove that there are an equal, lesser, or greater, amount of people who go out with daki's not for attention, simply because of the idea that they don't want their pictures taken, they don't want the attention, and outside of going around and actively taking really candid pictures of people who do, or the testimony of people who do (which almost nobody would accept at face value on an anonymous image board in the first place). It becomes harder and harder to readily access that kind of evidence. There's also little leeway for personal experience as it will be written off as anecdotal so there's little point in using that as well.

I will say that the concept of loving a concept or character, the concept of loving an object, and the grey area in between has a lot of evidence that people who are sincere and don't do it for attention has been proven time and time again, and that this time it is no different.

>>11208632
>>11208589
Nii-san wanted somebody who he could love from the bottom of his heart and share his life with. But he also didn't lie to himself and repress his physical needs and thus created an outlet to be able to do so. Physical representations are one of the most effective ways to be able to establish a closer, deeper, emotional experience. Granted there is a line where it goes from being simply a physical representation into eventually something more where the object itself becomes the important part, that doesn't necessarily means it happens consistently or even a majority of the time. It's also one of those situation to situation based concepts. Such as somebody who forces his ideal onto other people or objects for something they have lost or are obsessed with, or something similar to Wilson from cast away would be some examples of both of these situations in other circumstances.

When I hug my dakimakura, I'm hugging her to get closer to the character I deeply love and enjoy. But I also get a physical pleasure and feed back from it as well and I will easily admit that simply the lack of the object makes me equally as restless as it would if I simply stopped feeling her presence. Or more specifically you could say it is easy to imprint an emotional sensation onto a physical one.

I already touched on this point earlier, but what "she" felt I feel is up to him and nobody else. So long as his actions don't actually harm other people.

>>11208601
Looks like some kind of mounted clips.

r8 these otaku

>>11208632
> Regardless of your "reasons"
I think ideology is reason enough. I also think of the greater repercussions to the founding culture when such behavior has been readily adopted by unscrupulous, disingenuous people like the ones you find in this thread.

>what about the people who actually do it, or other people that have either a non-cynical or neutral feeling about it
Please think about the implications of taking a dakimakura outside. Like girls who dress like whores. Like kids who go out of their way to use drugs in public places, in plain view.

Think in terms of semiotics: Why do people communicate these particular signs? If you want to share a moment with a character, why not in your mind and heart, where the symbols themselves lay? Why take a pillow outside?

Seriously, think about it, and then you should realize why "it's for the character" makes no fucking sense. It's masturbatory and exhibitionist. It's degrading to the character and insulting to people who like her.

>That's the whole thing behind this concept is that it is whatever you want it to be, there aren't any rules, the aren't any fucking regulations or expectations for it.
The concepts of love and respect are not fucking new. And please don't say "waifu" is a new concept. I'm talking talking in terms of images and symbols; the same things that clumsily seek to represent all forms and reality.

>There is nothing "real" about the feelings or thoughts of a character or ideal or symbol or whatever the fuck you want to call it.
The emotions of everyone who likes her are real. The form they hold in their mind is as "real" as any other. The meaning in the symbol is "real". In fact, I think people are attracted to characters BECAUSE these characters represent a particular sense of verisimilitude or at least affirm a psychological/emotional framework. This is "real".

If you do not think any of this is "real", then we are wasting our time with this argument and you probably don't belong here.

>>11208594
i don't give a shit what it was designed to do

acting like a retard was originally designed to drive away unwanted outsiders

doesn't stop it from being shit

>>11208676
I remember reading the article. The pillow is like a fetish symbol for him (in the traditional sense, not sexual). I understand why he takes out his daki. He is filling a physical need with the character, but he should know that it isn't the character. I respect him because at least he isn't exploiting the character, but his approach is misguided.

>When I hug my dakimakura, I'm hugging her to get closer to the character I deeply love and enjoy.
I know and love the sensation, but I don't confuse the pillow with the character. It's a strange melding, I admit, but they are fundamentally different. At best, the character "possesses" the pillow, or is reflected in it.

>what "she" felt I feel is up to him and nobody else
I think it's a cheap way to justify these questionable acts. Would any character REALLY be okay with all those stares (exhibitionist chara aside)? I know it's my delusion speaking, but I don't "create" my character's feelings like that. I try to make it so that they're hers (I know how crazy that sounds).

Practically speaking, taking a daki out is inviting it to get dirty, so that means whatever.

In the end, I'm just expressing my frustration. I know that I can't control any of this. I can't really understand the apologists, though.

>>11208681
>The absence of evidence is not necessarily the evidence of absence
That's true, but it's a nonissue because it doesn't add anything to either side. I will not assume a a silent or vocal majority or any such permutation.

All I know is that there are people who exploit characters for their social gain. That's reason enough to question the entire act, especially when, by my reasoning, there's nothing to be gained by it other than a dirty dakimakura.

It's the principle that I'm concerned with. And I know there are sincere people out there. I just don't think they would take out a dakimakura in public and take pictures. I don't think they would take it out at all.

>>11208690
Ideology is a terrible reason to persecute anything. That right there is the basis to rally people in religious and political wars. It's a very bad way to justify anything and more often than not produces harm rather than good.

The implications of all those things is completely, once again, based around the environment in which they happen. At first society may jump up a little and get their panties all in a bunch but in the long run it never fucking matters. Girls dressing like sluts? I see girls in short shorts and low cut shirts on a daily basis and after maybe the first month of it being a novel thing to me (for the same reasons you are trying to prove) it stopped having any affect. It simply turned into a, this is just the way things are and this is how these people dress on a daily basis, and a lot of people around me are the same way. Hell people will just as easily be ostracized and heckled for dressing modestly in some places during some parts of the year. It's not even an attention based issue at all, but rather a perceived difference from societal expectations. I could say the same thing about drugs, going both ways in fact. Not even 10 years ago smoking was a fucking huge thing that you could do anywhere and everywhere, inside, around kids, etc... Now it's taboo to fucking smoke in building and people look at smokers like a blight on society. Marijuana where I live has gone the complete opposite direction. Where it was a thing people did in the garage or the basement, to something they can fucking do walking down the streets and nobody even gives a fuck. In both cases it is not a matter of seeking attention or masturbatory exhibitionism.

Also who cares about what other people think and their feeling for the character? Do they really feel a daki that somebody else owns and chooses what is done with that should have an affect on something they love?

>>11208731
it attracted people who like being retards didn't it. just like being a cunt all the time attracted people who are cunts.

>>11208731
>>11208778
No matter how I look at it you're just irritated because you can't use greentext for everything without being harassed. Everyone being an elitist cunt is a good thing.

>>11208690
When it comes to semiotics, I don't think it really matters that much, as everything is either well defined, or not defined at all, making it complicated and awkward to come to a proper conclusion regarding the proper use of symbolism. But I already said earlier that imprinting physical feedback and responses easily bolsters emotional feelings.

Regardless of whether it is or is not masturbatory satisfaction (exhibitionism or not it honestly doesn't make that much difference) what's wrong with that? What's wrong with people fulfilling an emotional happiness in their lives. You go on and on about other people and what they or how they feel, but in all honesty, who cares? Unless it has a directly measurable impact on them and harms them in a way that can actually matters (I'm sorry being offended by another persons actions when they aren't producing bodily harm or excruciating mental trauma doesn't matter).

There's also the entire school of mind behind these concepts where every bodies individual opinion and idea behind a character, object, symbol, whatever is exclusive to the individual. Thus it is completely up to you as a person to decide what is or is not degrading to something. But like I've already stated letting peoples actions when they don't have a direct impact get to you is stupid. It's also your fault for letting any slight representation of the symbol be classified directly as the symbol itself. You continually talk about how objects and the symbol are not the same thing, but at the same time you act like every single persons daki is the full representation of everyone else viewpoint. Which this is equally as bad as fighting for an ideology. It's an easy way to rally people to do something or impose societal behaviors. It's dumb and creates needless conflict.

I never said they were new, but I stand by my statement, There aren't any real regulations or expectations for it. It's constantly changing and varies widely with a lot of room.

>>11208797
it sours the mood, not everything needs to be as serious as death. especially on 4chan, on the touhou board.

>>11208753
>Ideology is a terrible reason to persecute anything.
It certainly is when it's reasoned and done to protect rather than harm.

>It simply turned into a, this is just the way things are and this is how these people dress on a daily basis, and a lot of people around me are the same way.
It's still a violation of my principles and obscures the sign and substance. You're saying that eventually, the contradiction is accepted. The contradiction itself is the issue here. Acceptance will not change the intention, it will only move it to something else.

I would even say that the daki phenomenon results from other things failing to generate a substantial public reaction.

>It's not even an attention based issue at all, but rather a perceived difference from societal expectations.
Do you not understand how the latter leads to the former and people exploit this dynamic for personal gain? It doesn't matter if it becomes eventually accepted, the problem is that it's happening and then creates a norm about it.

>Now it's taboo to fucking smoke in building and people look at smokers like a blight on society.
Yes, which just makes it "cooler" for people to smoke (at least, in their mind).

>In both cases it is not a matter of seeking attention or masturbatory exhibitionism.
Oh man, how deluded do you have to be to think that fucks blazing outside in plain view is not masturbatory or exhibitionist? The sign here, since you can't see it is: I SMOKE MARIJUANA, THIS IS PART OF MY IDENTITY. Any respectable smoker does it in private comfort, or with friends.

>Do they really feel a daki that somebody else owns and chooses what is done with that should have an affect on something they love?
Again, you're missing the point. I don't love any of the characters in this thread, but the act itself may be disrespectful to those who do love them.

>>11208690
I failed to state a proper definition of "real" so my apologies there. It's a rather cumbersome thing to define in all reality but I guess in this case I would define it as either something tangible and physical, or has an immediate impact that can be gauged. In all honesty the emotions and beliefs of strangers aren't real to me. While I understand yes they exist and to them they are real, to me it has no bearing, and to me personally therefore are not real. I'm not going to live my life being pushed over and conscious about every single persons feelings and ideologies. Sure it sounds like a dickish thing to say, but why should I legitimately care about the other 7 billion people on this earth when they just as much don't give a fuck about me.

>>11208734
What's misguided about any of that? Honestly from all of the shrinks I've discussed this concept with none of them have ever even brought up exploitation in the way you continue to do so. Even the really odd eastern influenced ones.

Regardless of whether they are fundamentally different the feeling is imprinted just as well. If we go by what you are saying then there is no point in a visual application and a generic body pillow can function just as easily. Which yes in some cases is true, but the addition of a visual representation, on top of the physical representation, in addition to the emotional expression all add up to the experience, and ultimately you can tell it's not the same thing.

It sounds cheap but in all reality it's true. and outside of abusing your subconscious to be able to create those thoughts and feelings through any number of mind tricks or drug induced experiences, you do actually ultimately control what she thinks, how she would react, etc... Yes you have a base line in the characters source material and original personality, but you are simply manipulating that information.

>>11208797
being an elitist cunt is only a good thing when you're not a worthless faggot yourself

you know, all those underaged retards who get here fresh from /a/ and saw that "hey if i act like a gigantic cunt i'll fit into /jp/ perfectly"

>>11208857
I wasn't aware that they existed. Crossboarders always get into shitposting long before elitism. I'd actually prefer for them to be elitist in an attempt to fit in, at least it would help to keep some of their own kind out.

>>11208812
>I don't think it really matters that much
It's how we organize and understand reality.

>What's wrong with people fulfilling an emotional happiness in their lives
At the expense of another person's love? At the expense of inviting more people to blur the distinction between sincere and ironic and exploit the symbols of a cherished subculture? If you want a practical reason, eventually, it becomes commoditized and dilutes the subculture. It happened with punks, it happened with hip-hop, video games, and anime, and now even further into otaku culture.

>You continually talk about how objects and the symbol are not the same thing, but at the same time you act like every single persons daki is the full representation of everyone else viewpoint
They aren't. It's the association, obviously. It's why people get pissed when a guy shits on a flag.

I'll restate my point: The problem is in the duplicitous contradiction of "loving a character" and taking a daki outside. It's the same contradiction in "liking a band" and compulsively telling everyone that you like that band.

I understand how this has little bearing practically, especially because people will not stop doing it. But, because profiteers know how much people enjoy image, they will profit off of it. It's how Urban Outfitters is so popular.

Again, I'm only expressing my frustrations. I can't tell you how much I hate the mentality behind this as it's anathema to culture and meaning and insulting to the actual fringe groups. I'm trying to provide a logical foundation behind their actions, and why I find it reprehensible.

>>11208851
>exploitation
We say something because we want to be heard. An action is a collection of signs. When a person engages in something "different" (i.e. it attracts attention), it's because they want to assimilate that distinction into their identity. In this way, bringing a daki outside is duplicitous.

>>11208851
>>11208870
I would also like to say that I'm not denying the pleasures of owning a dakimakura. It's the issue of taking it outside to be seen by others. If no one were to see it, I would have no issue (other than the daki getting dirty).

But the point is so people see it, right? How close are we really getting to a daki outside in a restaurant? It's going to sit there while you awkwardly chew your food, nothing like cuddling it or kissing it at night.

I know I'm cynical. I really wish I wasn't, but I've seen this behavior so many times and it's so obnoxiously transparent that I can't help but hate the people who do it. I wish I could disconnect myself from such people, and I do to an extent, but we're talking about my hobbies here and I'm worried about the greater repercussions (i.e. more people like them; people who think it's a joke). There's no doubt that eventually, if it grows big enough, it will hurt the subculture. It's why otaku complain about niwaka.

>>11208179
That Louise picture is very sweet.

>>11208734
I do believe that ultimately it's bad to judge one way or the other when it comes to gauging vocal minority and silent majority, or anywhere between because no matter what you are making assumptions with little evidence one way or the other, and honestly a couple of threads with many of the same pictures being re-posted isn't very strong evidence either. Especially when there is no story or explanation behind them (Melonpan videos not included in that statement).

People exploit anything and everything for any kind of real gain. Be it symbolism, people, animals, whatever. Religion has exploited symbolism for centuries, but do most practitioners give a fuck about the people who aren't or on opposite ends? Not until there is a direct conflict in which there is something to be gained from it, so why should they care to respect and other peoples ideologies and stop what they are doing because another group doesn't like it. Same exact situation that is happening here.

Also why do people care so much about other peoples property? Wear and tear and damage happen. Taking a daki out increases the rate at which this happens, but that's their personal decision, why should anybody else care about how they use their property.

>>11208824
What is this protecting? The ideologies of some neckbeards on the internet that don't even care enough to do anything but bitch about it on the internet? Oh woe is me for disrupting the happiness of people that could easily ignore these situations.

It really depends on what the intention is in the first place. If it's to garner more personal freedom than the contradiction is fine and your principles are simply suffocating the direct happiness of others (assuming they were actually enforced or mattered).

>I would even say that the daki phenomenon results from other things failing to generate a substantial public reaction.
Such as? I'd say it's more because it's an actual industry with a strong niche market now.

>>11208824
So my examples were kind of poor simply because there's a lot of issues with personal health and what not which actually directly impacts and harms other people. The marijuana one I think you completely missed the mark. Like a lot of the people who blaze up on the streets now used to do it hidden in their basements or cars, but ever since it became legal it's literally nobody gives a fuck because it's not super taboo anymore. And this has happened relatively quickly in the past 2-3 years. It has nothing to do with their identity or whatever. Hell a lot of these people are the type who wake up, grab their pipe and start smoking when the day begins until they go to sleep at night. And unless you knew them personally you wouldn't know the wiser (assuming they weren't completely enamored with the aroma of weed from a freshly smoked bowl).

So it's disrespectful? So what? Does it negatively effect their health or violate any of their god given rights? If the only thing it does is make someone feel offended, then people need to learn to calm the fuck down and not be so up in arms about what everybody does. I'm not gonna go cry about some terrorist burning my countries flag in the neighborhood even though that is a direct act of defiance and infinitely worse than anything we've discussed. I'm not gonna get all butthurt when I see rednecks driving around with a confederate flag on the hood of their truck. Those actions don't affect me. Do I like seeing them? God no, it's actually a bit upsetting. But is it going to cause me to die of cancer and ruin my birthday party? Fuck no. At worst it's a minor inconvenience.

>>11208875
What would it take to make a loli this aroused? Would having her put on different costumes do it? Do they get aroused as easily as boys at that age?

>>11208091
Someone is delusional

>>11208864
>I wasn't aware that they existed. Crossboarders always get into shitposting long before elitism.
this phenomenon both predated and contributed to the rise of shitposting

>I'd actually prefer for them to be elitist in an attempt to fit in, at least it would help to keep some of their own kind out.
it beats shitposting but it doesn't mean it's any fucking good

basically you keep out all the /a/ posters who might actually be interested in on-topic things and keep in all the retards who come here exclusively to shitpost and call everybody faggots

Germany seems like a dreamland, they have everything I would want. Lax laws on loli importation, public swimming pools were you can go and have fun with little children and first world salaries. It's like Japan but without the xenophobia shit.

>>11208902
Yeah they skip the xenophobia and go for full blown genocide

>>11208899
why do you want more people from /a/ to post here?????

>>11208880
Jesus Christ, did you miss the point where I stated, multiple times, that I was just frustrated?

Why, exactly, are you so staunch in your apologism?

>People exploit anything and everything for any kind of real gain.
I'm supposed to simply agree with this? It's not even "real" gain, but whatever.

>What is this protecting?
Though perhaps not protecting, it stems from a desire to preserve the integrity of the subculture.

>If it's to garner more personal freedom
There are better ways to do that depending on what we're talking about. Smoking weed outside in front of everyone is not a fight for personal freedom, especially when people actually don't care. And even self-immolation carries multiple meanings.

>Such as? I'd say it's more because it's an actual industry with a strong niche market now.
Please, there's been a strong market for it for a while. What we're seeing is niwaka.

Whatever. I don't even know what you're defending anymore.

>>11208894
>The marijuana one I think you completely missed the mark.
You should have clarified. I've seen kids smoking weed in class just because they thought that was cool.

I don't give a shit about people doing things unrelated to me. Only otaku culture. I'm sure this is how cosplayers feel when they spend a lot of time on one only to see some bitch sluttifying a character to show more skin.

I hope that if nothing else, you understand where I'm coming from. It's like you don't even get my feelings on the matter. I think people have the right to do whatever they want. I 'm not trying to fucking argue that. I'm saying why I don't like people using the symbols of something I love to profit from it like that. I've already stated why this becomes a problem eventually. To be honest, I wish they would fucking die. It's not like a redneck with a flag because I know they're sincere. The worst part is I can't do anything about it.

I'm tired of arguing. I hope you enjoyed playing devil's advocate or whatever.

>>11208870
I meant that, there isn't really much to discuss on that end because it's been fairly well defined through the argument.

So it's not at the expense of another person's love. It's not like you are actually taking something away from another person. It's not like you stole their daki and took it out on a date and got it dirty and disrespected both her as a character and the daki itself as property.

Pop culture is getting retarded no matter what. It's just that asian is the current "in" thing again. So everything is gonna get fucking hit. And so it dilutes the subculture a bit, becomes something that the commercial industry can take advantage of and make mad profit off of, and then it will be forgotten when the next big thing comes about. But luckily for us, this entire fucking subculture has already been a giant commercial industry trying to sell goods to people for the sole purpose of monetary gain. Yeah yeah there's "artsy" stuff that goes on and shit that tries to explore beyond the pop-market. But for fucks sake man, if there's a daki of it, that means it is just one of those commercial fodder sent out to make some money. Granted the fanbase has moved beyond that and treats it completely differently, and I definitely understand that. but it's like we're trying to desperately turn a blind eye to something right in front of us. Besides it will just create some new underground shit and further subcultures and what not down the line like every other fucking thing that got into the mainstream. And this will continue to happen until popculture simply implodes on itself.

I already kind of covered this with my own example. Yeah it's upsetting but only because I let it be upsetting. If anything I'd be more disgusted that somebody took a shit in public and the health issues with that.

So, to you, wearing a band t-shirt or any kind of memorabilia of things you enjoy or love is a terrible thing and should never happen?

>>11208897
Please respond.

>>11208912
>So it's not at the expense of another person's love. It's not like you are actually taking something away from another person. It's not like you stole their daki and took it out on a date and got it dirty and disrespected both her as a character and the daki itself as property.
Imagine if you were married and a guy has a picture of you're wife and is proclaiming to everyone "I banged this bitch, I'm a stud, huh?". Wouldn't that make you feel just a little uncomfortable, maybe even angry?

>So, to you, wearing a band t-shirt or any kind of memorabilia of things you enjoy or love is a terrible thing and should never happen?
Not at all. If you enjoy the band, go ahead and wear a shirt (especially if you bought it from the band). It's more an issue of someone wearing a band shirt and not knowing the band, or simply wearing it because other people wear it. Or people hating a band because it's popular, or loving one because it isn't--and telling everyone this fact. It's the end that I hate. It's that proclamation that seeks to create this distinction, to substantiate an identity with a symbol that has lost its meaning through the process itself.

It's late and I don't even know if I'm making sense anymore. I feel like people flaunting all these symbols to somehow bolster themselves are creating a sea of disconnected signs. The meaning behind them, the character, the importance, becomes inextricably linked with this masturbatory, cannibalistic spectacle. It all becomes meaningless or obscured. So, to use the daki problem. If it becomes accepted, if you do want to take a daki out, people will treat it like a joke. Or if you say you love a character, people think you're being ironic.

"Oh, you shouldn't care about what people think, etc." I know. But think about the larger implications this has. Think about an entire existence that's become a spectacle. I think it bothers me so strongly because it reminds me that we ALREADY live in a world like that.

>>11208399
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>>11208911
Oh I got that you were upset, I was just curious as to whether or not you could actually defend unwarranted hatred towards something that will ultimately have very little impact on you personally, as well as anime culture on the whole. Unless you really really care about western weeaboo culture which has been shitty since the 90s.

>>11208929
IDK man, I'm the kind of guy who likes to be a dick in that fashion, but only in good fun, and only if I know I can get away with it. So maybe I'm slightly biased towards that kind of behavior. I've had it done against me before and while it was upsetting at first, it was really easy to laugh about it not very long after the fact.

I get what you are saying, you hate the people who aren't really into it, but do it because everyone around them is to be part of the cool kids. But that happens a lot no matter what. It's why 4chan gives so much shit to casuals and niwaka shit in general, especially now; despite the fact there have been those types of people forever.

People will treat it in whatever fashion that will best allow them to deal with the situation. If that becomes a constant sense of it being a "joke" or "ironic" I guess so be it. They can have their fun and so long as the person going out with their daki is having fun. Besides it's much easier to pass things off as not being serious or silly than it is being directly negative and creating what essentially is bigotry.

Besides what about taking your daki out to places where you can be a little more sensual and close together with your loved one that is outside the home. Like what if people were taking them out on that kind of thing rather than really corny restaurant type settings and what not? Is that more acceptable and genuine to you? I feel that it makes a lot more sense. You are correct that it is awkward and weird to just lug a daki everywhere with no real emotional impact being created and it just looking weird.

>>11208946

>>11208942
shouldn't you be rating the daki's
the hells wrong with you man?

How did this get 180 replies, what the fuck happened to this fucking board

>>11208943
>unwarranted hatred towards something that will ultimately have very little impact on you personally,
It's not exactly unwarranted. It doesn't impact me directly, but it's what I see as the causes for this entire world's "sickness"; this huge gaping lack of meaning caused by the irony and duplicity and this fixation on spectacle and image at the expense of substance.

It's like. Well, if you've read up on it, Otaku culture has grown in the direction it has as a way to cope with the postmodern condition, and now it's slowly cannibalized by the very disease that created it. What used to possess some semblance of meaning or verisimilitude is now also destroyed and consumed and recycled. Even something you wouldn't think to be meaningful like generic moe-chara have a personal, individual importance to some viewers.

But it's like the world isn't satisfied, and the poison sinks deeper. And people laugh and joke and it's silly, but THAT is one of the reasons why this world is like this. I also understand that it's the only solution as well.

>Besides what about taking your daki out to places where you can be a little more sensual and close together with your loved one that is outside the home.
I'm just not that kind of guy. I honestly don't like being outside very much so I wouldn't be able to be intimate with her with people around. It's nice inside, though.

>>11208961
not

>>11208910
people will always come to /jp/

they might as well be people actually interested in on-topic shit as opposed to a fucking army of shitposting twitter faggots

>>11208943
>>11208967
Forgot this bit at the end.

>like what if people were taking them out on that kind of thing rather than really corny restaurant type settings and what not? Is that more acceptable and genuine to you? I feel that it makes a lot more sense.
I think so. The problem is that any genuine moment would not be captured. I like to think that a lot of guys take their girls and enjoy special moments with them. I don't think you need to take out a daki to do it, but if they do I don't really hold it against them. I just think it's weird that someone would require the physical representation to love something, which is why I feel it's misguided. We can feel strongly and care and love the abstract (e.g. God, our "self").

I'm almost certain that the reason why the "disingenuous" bothers me so much is because it only tells me how things really are. I spend so much time in these escapist worlds and then the symbols of these escapism betray me in pictures like the ones in this thread. It's like: "Yeah, there's a world out there and it's even shittier than you remember."

I feel like someone's trying to steal something from me. It would be even worse if I saw the character I loved, which is why I get so indignant. I keep thinking of the guy who does love that particular character.

I won't mince words: a guy who takes a daki out to show off how "otaku" he is is treating his daki and the character on it like a whore. Not like doujinshi sex, but in the sense that he's "using" her, using the entire subculture as a springboard for something so utterly meaningless. And all it does is dig this hole a little deeper. For some people, this is all they have left. Like, what would Nii-san feel if a gang of these fucks were dragging a daki of his girl around? And my life isn't even shit or anything. It's just this philosophical conundrum that frustrates me to no end.

Anyway, it's late and I'm going to bed, thanks for letting me vomit at you guys.

This thread makes me depressed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mereological_nihilism

There is no physical equivalence across images of the "same" character, electronically depicted or fabricated through print. The implication arising from this is that characters of fiction cannot be signified or referenced without interpretive agency on the part of the individual observer. Any meaning obtained from a perceived character signification is purely subjective, comparable to pop-feminists howling about how otherwise mundane actions are deliberate instances of subversion. When you enter value or inherent meaning - idiosyncrasies of the psyche of a chimp - into the framework of any sort of social theory you've immediately rendered your attempt intellectually worthless.

>>11208052

That insane butthurt

That bitch isn't even his girlfriend

>>11209055
Translated from Pretentia into English:

Images of the "same" character are not equivalent. Characters cannot be referenced without the observer's interpretive agency. Obtaining meaning from a character interpretation is a purely subjective process, comparable to the ascribing of subversive notions to otherwise mundane actions by pop-feminists. Thus inherent meaning has no place in social theory.

>>11209072
... okay, so what?

>>11209221
C-cute

>>11208221
neonfag probably hehe

>>11208594
Ok but it's no longer better than just posting in green text so kindly fuck off and die.

I woke up with my Orin dakimakura covered in dried cum this morning.

Must have been one HELL of a night!

>>11208974
cute

>>11209274
what's yuuka doing

I actually think I've figured out touhou fans. They're the kind of guys that think of 'females' as being this really hard to understand thing so they latch onto fictional characters that are easy to understand. Touhou is all about being nice and stuff so the guys that fixate on them wouldn't have to worry about mixed signals or secret agendas and stuff if they were real.

They're also 'nice guys' that always think to themselves that if a girl just gave them a chance and was tried dating them they'd see how nice they were and what good boyfriends they could be. They resent the fact that girls don't give them a chance and 'only go for douche-bags' but the touhous are so nice that THEY WOULD GIVE THEM A CHANCE.

It wouldn't have happened half as much without the internet so there are a lot more touhou fanboys now that they are part of a community. In the same way that cults can pick up people that are lonely the sense of community is also really attractive to them. Once they're in the echo chamber their feelings get amplified to the point that they want to have sex with a cartoon girl.

>>11209362
into the r9k it goes!

>>11209362
try harder, or try a different thread
or better yet just leave

Isn't this the same guy?

>>11209524

>>11209362
>but the touhous are so nice

I think this might just be some sort of copy-pasta, like for MLP, that was reworked to Touhou just to rile people up.

>>11208048
stupid sexy melon pan

>>11209362
My favourite 2hu would probably give me a chance as an entree

>>11208048
Hanging out with that guy must be very fun and weird simultaneously. I think I'd like it. And he surely makes good use of his money!

5:58 to see a loli that cannot suppress her need to be fucked. Quite unfortunate they decided to cut what was the only valuable development in an otherwise sparse narrative.

>>11209362

I don't think you understand the otaku culture in general. No true otaku would want a 3DPG. We want our kawaii 2D waifu desu ne~~<3

>>11209768
I'm truOtaku and wouldn't mind holding something that holds me back, even if she is 3D.

>>11209921

Well hold out then, truOtaku. One day we WILL be gifted with the technology for our loves to hold us back. One day our loves will be able to come for us and not be trapped behind the windows of torment. We just need to be strong and hold on.

Did Melonpan broke up with his girlfriend and is now trying to make her jealous with some German whore?

>>11209537
The girl.
I'm losing it everytime.

>>11209537
Shit, I'm really thirsty now and I'm all outta beer

>>11209055
I don't understand the purpose of your link. So parts are just parts and there are no wholes? What good does that do for me or anyone that ascribes to that?

Perceived or illusory wholes are still useful, as apparent in our language, despite their obvious imperfections.

>When you enter value or inherent meaning - idiosyncrasies of the psyche of a chimp - into the framework of any sort of social theory you've immediately rendered your attempt intellectually worthless.
What do you even mean by this? Subjective interpretation and assigning of meaning is the very foundation of communication and social theory (or any theory for that matter). We only do things *because* we "enter value or inherent meaning" into them; the actual value fundamentally, cannot be known.

I'll tell you what's intellectually worthless: Going off about subjectivity and then reducing this into some trite, contradictory, "objective" axiom.

>>11209072
I'm aware that all characters are subjectively interpreted by consumers. However, there's a base collection of signs that suggests various threads of meaning. This is how a whole mass of people can each hold a unique interpretation, yet recognize that they're talking about the same character.

So because it's a subjective process and meaning is individually assigned, it's supposed to make it hurt less when someone does something to the image of her that you don't like? It hurts because you care; it's not supposed to be logical.

It is so silly to feel jealous when other people talk about the character I love and yet I feel it all the time. This emotion even betrays how I understand characters, but I can't help it.

>Thus inherent meaning has no place in social theory.
There is no such thing as "inherent meaning", that's why we project subjective notions to begin with. It's the only thing we have, and it's the thing that makes life bearable.

>>11209903

FINALLY

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN SHIT

FINALLY SOMEONE POSTED A PAIR WITH GOOD TASTE

JESUS, FUCK MAN I THOUGH OLD /jp/ WAS NO MORE

FUCK

>>11208048
Oh god, put the mask back on, woman.

>>11208048

Why is he in a swimming pool with glasses on?

>>11208149
He's melonpan. He gets free shit and dosh from his fans. He can get it replaced at the snap of his fingers.

>>11208185
WHO TOOK THE PICTURE?! WHO!?!?

>>11210752

Camera was on self-timer, idiot.

>>11210752
gf

Jesus Christ, this thread is beyond terrible.

>>11209231
post your whole room faget

>>11208185
I would post my picture but I'm afraid it will be posted in the future.

>>11209642
Oh god what is that girl doing to herself between her legs?

JANNY!!!

>>11210877
none of the people posted hang out on /jp/

>>11210921
janny are you ok.

janny are you ok

are you okay, janny

>>11211009
Billy Janny is not my lover

>>11208221
its turtletron

>>11208140
Who has been kissing her?

I think that loli is masturbating.

>>11213419
Some otaku drag queen

>>11210705
>What good does that do for me or anyone that ascribes to that?

Complacency with any such subscription is immediately challenged. The purpose of drawing your attention to the ideas presented in the article was to demonstrate the immense difficultly you face when attempting a serious discourse furnished with concepts such as "character" and "disrespectful".

>Perceived or illusory wholes are still useful, as apparent in our language

The epistemological integrity of such structures offer them the intellectual merit of bible scriptures - opaque, endemically ambiguous metaphors. The utility of such a communication system does not excuse it from being the functional equivalent of a tree full of chimps howling at the surrounding jungle.

>Subjective interpretation and assigning of meaning is the very foundation of communication and social theory (or any theory for that matter).

Structuralism, to drop an epic, antiquated field of academic inquiry centralized many of their ideas around this premise. Other stuff has happened since then.

>We only do things *because* we "enter value or inherent meaning" into them; the actual value fundamentally, cannot be known.

Is this an "ironic" axiom? Neuro-systems are deterministic as any other physical system. Quantum mechanics can be somewhat misleading with regards to "statistical properties" of particle trajectories - this method is employed not because particles can really take on any of the possible trajectories, but we as a species are just too stupid to refine measurement techniques so to reduce error/external influence upon the quantum system. Statistics is basically the concession to ubiquitous measurement error, probabilities do not govern any physical process but rather allow us to work with what partial information we have access to. Notions of transcendental cognitive processes are depressingly religious, so don't do it.

>>11213436
i was too - waterpark melon pan is cute

So, how does he have a girlfriend?

looks like /jp/ has the SRS :(

Who is the third-wheel in these videos, that is, the cameraman?

I would buy a daki if I could find a nice one.

unfortunately every single artist butchers senjougahara to the point where she can be considered a new character, not the one created by SHAFT.

living is duffering

>>11214745
>duffering
suffering

>>11208232
>There is a slav in the picture

>>11208105
Everyone sounds angry in German. Such a nasty language.

>>11214048
post the one with akari pleasuring herself with the table corner

Any of you guys tried one of those daki with life-like breast or ass? How are they?

I also read somewhere (though I can't find the source anymore...) that they will maybe change the format normal (150x50) for 160x50 or maybe higher but with also a new kind of 2way tricot...

>>11208048
I wish I could afford a escort

melonpan is the male equivalent of milk, please leave this attention whore in >>>/a/ and don't come back

>>11217744
This looks really nice.

>>11220041
Look at him dragging her on the ground like that. This is why I fucking hate these attention whore types that go out in public with their dakis so they can be xD

>>11220080

That looks like a water raft though. And he's so fat too. Do you think that poor loli could keep him afloat?

>>11220110
Oh that is a float, I should have looked closer.

>>11214745
But SHAFT didn't create Senjougahara.

>>11214048
>he purpose of drawing your attention to the ideas presented in the article was to demonstrate the immense difficultly you face when attempting a serious discourse furnished with concepts such as "character" and "disrespectful".
>Structuralism, to drop an epic, antiquated field of academic inquiry centralized many of their ideas around this premise. Other stuff has happened since then.

So?

Adhering to a deconstructionist (assuming this is what you're referring to) approach to semiotics makes any "serious discourse" difficult. If we seek to gain any discrete knowledge from communication, some assumptions must be made, one of which is that we share a general system of signs and assigned meaning. Without this, any dialectic becomes meaningless; if you want to discuss postmodernism, we shouldn't.

>The epistemological integrity of such structures
Put down the thesaurus for a second and understand that it's all we have in terms of communication. It's already been skewered front and back and no one needs your hyperbole on top of it, especially when such mincing and mindless reference is the very essence of language's shortcomings.

>Is this an "ironic" axiom?
No. Everything you listed is still slave to the system of symbols and meaning that we use and the fundamentally subjective issue of individual existence. The "other stuff" that you mention actually makes your epistemological quest harder if you're talking about post-structural or deconstructionist frameworks.

The very problem lies in the fact that symbols are not the things they refer to. Our entire system of cognition is dependent on this complex network of symbols.

Once again, I have no clue what you're trying to say.

>>11208048
Holyfuckingshit this video is amazing.

>>11220311
I do not wish to extend this beyond a humble assault upon the signifier, specifically notions of an immutable signification or an instance of signification which may have its meaning set exhaustively determined. Signifiers hold no continuous physical existence - ie, instances of a commonly recognized signifier hold no material equivalence amidst each other. It necessarily follows then that none of these instances can be treated as an inherent signification of anything; this post is a mere arrangement of pixels and only holds comprehensible textual meaning if you choose to interpret it with the cultural idiosyncrasies you've developed. From this it should be clear that no perceived instance of signifier holds an immutable, singular connection to signified entity. The word "tree", specifically in this instance is not inherently a signifier nor does it necessarily point to any signified concept. Further issues complicating this originally simplistic semiotic concept include the individual's relation to the signified, the justifiable non-existence of the signified and the value of a sign also being contingent upon a time dimension - this is why you were quietly directed to post-structuralism. What you seem to be advocating here is total unconsciousness of systemic, totally compromising epistemic flaws.

Even within the conventional bounds of a fully developed language a futile ambiguity is clear to accompany any analytical approach. Extending an attempt at absolute meaning-analysis beyond the comforts of a conscious semiotic system is simply ridiculous. What information you are able to cognitively process is only comprehensive through the perspective of whichever conceptual framework you are using to interpret it. A useful fiction, not the "true", exclusively valid representation of surrounding material phenomena.

>>11221514
My entire "point", as this is apparently America and subtly is despised by all, is this - some guy walking around with a dakimakura means precisely fucking nothing. The images comprising the video do not inherently reference any past event, nor can the material phenomena comprising the event be said to symbolize anything absolutely.

Why the fuck isn't there a single pic of a Japanese guy with a pillow. It's all weeabos.

Can you guys post some? I need them for a documentary project

>>11208052
How does it feel knowing he's insanely rich and does whatever he wants, two things you will never experience?

>>11221519
> some guy walking around with a dakimakura means precisely fucking nothing
Not true at all, unless you count an infinite number of interpretations "nothing". True in the practical sense, but not in a personal one. Whether from the perspective of the carrying it or the ones exposed to this spectacle, the simple act carries with it various connotations (obviously dependent on the context and myriad other factors if we're talking from a post-structuralist viewpoint).

But fuck all of that. The visual discrepancy or "novelty" of the act itself would suggest attention-seeking behavior. You could ascribe to any number of fatal or nihilistic frameworks, but those mean moot. Though not scientific in the slightest, the human tendency for heuristics would lead most people to this particular conclusion, those in the pictures included, especially when compared with other instances of perceived attention-seeking behaviors.

Though an ambiguity, I would say it possesses some degree of verisimilitude after weighing the contradictions in the semiotic itself; the intentions of the people dragging about their dakimakura are not likely to be very noble.

Whatever. Your loquaciousness is embarrassing. I'm out.

>>11221519
It means a lot more than anything you say or do.

>>11222542

Insane jelly of this dude.

His girlfriend is cute, he does whatever the hell he wants, swims around with little girls in his mizugi more fitted for them, no shame.

Yeah tell me you guys aren't jealous?

>>11225204
aren't you supposed to be a posthuman?

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B9%E3%82%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E6%B0%B4%E7%9D%80

Do you know the actual pictures they use on the real wikipedia for school swimsuit is anime characters?

>>11225212

Yeah.

>>11225235
And yet the English Wikipedia had the gall to say this picture wasn't appropriate because a child can't be a hikikomori.

Fucking double standards.

>>11225291
Damn that's a fucked up pic.

>>11208196
It's probably cooking wine.

>>11233017
Dat ass too fat

>>11233017
ewww dat hair

>>11233017
Reminds me of that retard and his jenny.

>>11233029
WHOOP WHOOP

>>11233017
God look at all that realistic ass hair and dirt

>>11208902
> Lax laws on loli importation
If Anonymous of Gernmany was still alive he'd tell you.

How I hate melonpan...

Whiny as fucktard...

>>11208185
not pictured: his small penis

>>11208942
I must respectfully disagree with some of your choices

>>11233017
Wow, this is the first time I've found a fake vagina appealing enough to want to fuck. Cleaner than that, of course...