/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I get the feeling the neet problem in the west is strongly enabled by 4chan and related websites, which possible carries over similar values over from the Japanese.
What I mean by this is that any normal activity: going outside, talking to people (especially women), having full time employment, hell even masturbating to 3D porn (instead of hentai) is looked down upon. Stating that you do any of these is met with instant ridicule accompanied by a picture of George Costanza from Seinfeld and an implied quote, e.g. :
>2013 >going outside >talking to women
Posters on 4chan wear their neet achievements like a badge of honor. How long they haven't left their room for, how many cum/piss bottles they have filled up (with pictures for proof) or the latest anime they have marathoned.
Many just don't see the need to reenter society. Their dietary needs are pretty basic. Entertainment is provided by video games and the sheer volume of anime being churned out by the studios these days, a lot of which consists of cute underage girls (or sisters) doing cute/sexually suggestive things. Sexual urges are fulfilled by the copious amounts of hentai available on the web.

Many have chosen "waifu"s (or "husbando"s depending on your orientation), which serve as their significant others. These waifu's usually come from their favorite anime. They may just hold that waifu very dearly or they may adorn their walls with pictures of her or buy figurines of her. Some have dakki pillows of that characters which are full length body pillows with their character printed on it. The more deluxe versions have removable layers for the various layers of undergarments ( http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire3/f73e8f13ea9e2762db0a...... ). Some even have "holes". You should see the dedication of these guys on valentines day; candle-lit dinners covered with rose petals. It would put most normal-fags to shame (however I still don't get how a Thinkpad screen can eat chocolate cake). For in depth explanation of the waifu phenomenon see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YtwPPsBKGQ .
But it is not just an affinity for 2D women. It's a hatred of 3D / IRL women too. Most view 3D women as lying, manipulative whores who are not to be trusted. Contrast this to their imaginary waifu's who will always love them and never betray. This is probably due their difficulties they have experience with women due to their personalities. There is even word for this is 3DPD: 3D Pig Disgusting.
Yes, I know "mai waifu" and "3DPD" started off as a joke, but it has gone way past that point. What started of as self-degrading humour has become deeply ingrained in the collective psyche of 4chann.

I want a NEET girlfriend. I would even be willing to support her lifestyle as long as she let me have sex with her.

There is also the question of money. In Japan, most hikki stay with their parents, I assume mainly due to high rental costs there. But most of the 4chan posters who are neets (most aren't and do actually hold sucessful full-time jobs, but the number who are is disproportionately high), get government funding and/or free housing. The funding usually comes in the disability benefits (for autism-spectrum/mood disorders, real or perceived) which they call "autism bux" or unemployment benefits. Also housing is pretty cheap in the west esp. in N. America and the Nordic countries, allowing them to live independently. I think this is one of the main differences between Western neets and hikki's.
There is a lot of negativity there as you can imagine. What is scary is how easily this negative emotion is channeled. What was /b/, the general/most active board on 4chan, is now /pol/, the politics board. And with that jump comes feeding of far-right views like antisemitism and strong anti-black racism from that hate. But for some strange reason, they consider Koreans (East Aryans) and other asians (but not Indians) part of the master race. This is possibly due to their love of k-pop and anime.
We all remember donglegate with Adria Richards. That was originally picked up by /pol/ who worked the crowed and then passed it on to /b/ for execution. While HN saw it as political correctness gone mad, /pol/ saw it differently. Not only was she a liberal feminist, but she was a half n1gger k1ke-kess too!
There are many "why aren'y you a neet?" or "neet masterrace" threads, extolling the virtues of the neet lifestyles, ridiculing those who work, boasting about how much "autism bux" they get and swapping tips on how to get more. The thrify money-saving tips are pretty good too.

Again with the rise of /pol/ these threads have taken an anti-semetic twist. Right now there is a thread called "ITT: Why Jews make you NEET" >>>/pol/16647507 , but it probably will die quickly. Most of the posts are jokes, but I am uncertain as to what extent they consider their views as jokes vs reality.
4channers also understand the economic and social forces that put them in this neet situation. This is expressed in "People who should die: Baby Boomers" threads, mocking the employment advice baby boomers gave "I paid my way through college by serving tables. I just walked up to the manager and he gave me a job." There are also threads of Penn Gillette binning resumes with sub 4.0 GPA's for McDonald's jobs, but that meme is far too complicated and contrived to explain.
Some neets just don't want to go back to society in it's current state. You see many threads comparing the degeneracy of a modern woman (e.g. a white woman race-mixing with a black man or just being promiscuous) versus a poster from Nazi Germany depicting nuclear aryan family. Again, this is an joke taken to the extreme, but it hides their possible views about today's society. They feel that with more traditional gender roles not only would women be more approachable and their chance be better, the idea of a relationship would be more attractive as opposed to "lol empowered womyn", i.e. sluts. They also hark back to the days of racial hegemony.
Another difference with Japanese hikkis, is that they become that way far earlier than their western counterparts. Many western neets lost their jobs in the economic downturn and just failed to re-enter employment as opposed to dropping out highschool. Many were coders who you can catch on the Daily Programming Threads (DPT) on /g/; some are pretty talented and are working on quite interesting projects. They even had a visual novel of SICP in the works at some point.

This post was intended to a far shorter reply, but I think it turned into a braindump about 4chan. But I'm trying to get across how 4chan enables people in the west to live the neet lifestyle. Posters even acknowledge this, "if it wasn't for 4chan I would still have a job/girlfriend/friends, instead I'm fapping to Touhou porn." It just sucks people in with it's "it's ok to be a neet" attitude.
If you're curious take a look. /b/ has devolved into some sort of infantile cesspit. /pol/ seems to be where "the happening" is at. I generally think it's best to browse 4chan while you still have a full time job. Otherwise you'll end up spending too much time there, slowly warping your mind. Before you know it you'll be fapping to futanari porn of you favorite anime telling people how jews control the world.
>inb4 jidf

>>11139768
I fucking hate that video. It's just bad.

>>11139774
She probably wouldn't care. You're basically whoring her out.

>>11139766
>to
>>11139776
Long story short : People being NEETs because other people are being assholes towards people.

God bless America and the West mentality.

>>11139781
By the way dude you're hellbanned.

>>11139773
>mad limpdick boomer and or kike detected
>ablluuu bluu, why wont everyone stay satisfied poor while I live large!

get fucked.

What trauma would this be though?

>>11139774
>NEET girlfriend
Doesn't exist. And even assuming that you manage to find a fake one, knows that once she reached 23+, 27 at max, she'll put an end to her NEET lifestyle and will slowly turn you into a normal.

What the fuck just happened ITT?

>>11139782
Why is the video bad? What do you disagree with?

>>11139776
epic

>>11139776
>But I'm trying to get across how 4chan enables people in the west to live the neet lifestyle.
There's a difference between the site itself "enabling" a NEET lifestyle, and people choosing that lifestyle but blaming the site for it.

Hacker News crossposting.

>>11139776

That's wrong though, I used 4chan way back before I became a neet. I stopped using it and then begun again about a year ago, which was about 2 years after I started being a complete shut in. It's just a distraction.

>>11139817
Meant for >>11139795

>>11139776
>>11139766
>>11139768
>>11139769
>>11139773

Great posts, it's almost an article on its own.
I will probably have to disagree though. The potential NEETs are probably NEET on their own, and perhaps didn't know of the term or lifestyle until they found a site where people can openly claim so. It's easy to rationalize the problems of the love life and the antagonized society and eventually figure out the solution of "I don't exactly need to stay employed".
Don't blame the site, the Internet is vast enough for any like-minded individuals to find each other and create a hub of their ideas.

>>11139898
Yeah, I upvoted it, too bad the guy is hellbanned.

>>11139908
Why?

>>11139919
Either because he posted the rms copypasta from /g/ or his post contained some of the keywords that automatically make your post dead.

>>11139927
How do you know he's hellbanned then?

I don't want to do anything.
But I want to do something.

Am I going to die here?

>>11139929
Well, maybe he isn't, that was just my first thought. His post is definitely dead though, most HN users won't see it, you have to have showdead on.

>>11139937
Refreshed, still there

>>11139949
I obviously meant Hacker News, where it was first posted.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5993441

I want a fatNEET gf to eat me out of my comfortable NEET lifestyle

>>11139990
I want a fatNEET gf to toss my salad and swallow hot loads.

>>11139994
>Innuendo
>Flat-out sexual reference

>Yoshiko's son withdrew from society very gradually when he was 22.

>At first he would go out to buy shopping, but she observes ruefully that internet shopping means this is no longer necessary and he no longer leaves the house. He is now 50 years old.


Does the master truNEET post here?

>>11139794
My exgirlfriend was and still is a NEET and hikkikomori.

Anyone listened to the radio programme yet?

I watched that episode of Correspondent like, ten years ago.

>>11140265
yea man same here my 9 exs were hikis and lurked the jay since 98

>>11140283
Same here brah, want to hikki it up later at the gym? We can discuss how we NEETed it up during our 15 minute breaks at work, while making fun of the scrawny nerds who are going to the gym for the first time.

It's parents codling their sons. Says as much right in the summary: they live in their parent's house. You can't stay holed up in a single room unless you're being supported or have taken serious preparations. The parents are supporting the hermits and have been over sheltering of them to get them to that point. It's hardly a mystery. "Why are they refusing to leave their rooms?" Because they're weak and are being allowed to. Stop feeding them. They will find the strength within themselves to put on clothing and walk outside of their room.

>>11140305
epic, simply epic

>>11140308
It's not epic. It hits close home.

>>11140305
What is that quote doing in a cup? How did it get there?

>>11140305
Normals can't go longer than a few hours without needing human contact

NEET strong

>>11140402
We are The Beautiful Ones.

Very interesting summary. Although I don't completely agree, you made a lot of interesting points.

I think that another core issue is that due to a majority of the userbase of this site being shunned or excluded from activities. Because of that, these people may often feel a need to fulfill their desire to fit in and be part of a group. Which is where, in this post >>11139766 you mentioned deviations from the norm being ridiculed. Despite being a collective of introverts it is rather ironic that individuality and free thought can actually be responded to harshly or even interpreted as a direct threat. I find the notion of 'board culture' to be a perfect example of this point.

>>11140472
It's not about restricting free thinking, but rather being among our own. While we're being rejected by society, we play exactly the same game here: we reject normalfags.

>>11140489
Yeah, this. When I come here I don't want to talk to a bunch of fucking normals. I come here to get away from them. They don't want me around them and I don't wan them around me.

>>11140489
Unfortunately the normals found this completely unacceptable and have brought the entire place to its knee, making it no longer the place it was in the past.

>>11140489
Mmm, perhaps I should have elaborated. I am referring to an instance such as when a poster may state that they like/dislike a particular movie/anime/game and will be derided by other posters. Now the problem is that instead of opening up dialog for discourse or questioning WHY the taboo exists it is simply regarded as a norm because of 'board culture'. Are we not all entitled to our own preferences and opinions so long as we do not harm one another?

>>11140507
But the site is already filled with them, and it keeps getting worse. Plus moot is actually appealing to them.

>>11140518
This is never the case in any society. We don't claim to be a perfect society. I don't understand what's your problem.

>>11140518
It's because normals are annoying because they are too used to their Social Darwinistic philosophy and normal life to even consider the point of view of anyone else.

>>11140528
I guess my problem is that people will rather dismiss one another than inquiring further to learn more about one another.

>>11140525
We've been the minority for years, look at the front page and check out how many normal people boards there are.

>>11140525
This site would be much better if he didn't just accommodate whatever crowd comes in here. Doesn't he realize this place will just become identical to reddit/facebook if he advertizes it like that? Why does he think this is in 4chan's interest?

>bbc

Have they decided a new Dr. Who yet?

I hope it's a black man or a woman.

>>11140525
You know, his post there make me realize that the default setup of 4chan does act as sort of a barrier to people. It used to be a real pain to refresh threads over and over, and click back and forth between replies. Now that you have scripts to make everything easier, and even the shit built into the site, it makes it much more appealing to retarded normals. Obviously 4chan x being used by fewer people wasn't stemming them off very much, but maybe adding the new things into the site is just going to hurt more, I guess is what I'm thinking. Anyway, my Japanese studies are coming along pretty well so hopefully I'll be able to leave for greener pastures eventually.

>>11140541
Moot doesn't give a shit. He grew out of anime and decided he only cared about how much money he could make off of 4chan.

>>11140541
Well it is in the sites interest if you're in moots position, and you equate success with the amount of users.

>>11140541
Do you honestly think he cares for a bunch of nerds that make up 1% of the people who visit his site when he can make it accessible to everyone, add some paid funny epic perks and see the cash flow in?

>>11140541
> Doesn't he realize this place will just become identical to reddit/facebook if he advertizes it like that?
Where were you in these last years? moot is butthurt because his success is the shitter of the internet instead of facebook. He'd prefer being Mark Zuckerberg.

But even from a business standpoint, if 4chan's community continues to grow, it'll just become an anonymous reddit board. It will lose its novelty, people will stop coming here, and moot will have nothing left. Best case scenario, he's just known as the guy who tried to copy reddit. I'm really not sure what he expects.

Is there any allusion to what the trauma may consist of?

These threads are annoyingly pathetic but not for the reason you might think.

>>11139794
Translators note: NEET means not in education, employment or training

>>11140561
m00t doesn't think that at all, in fact, he finds Facebook to be socially vapid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxRNRi7bOSI

>>11140622
Being a whore is a job.