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IN is generaly considered the easiest. But it will teach you some bad habbits like loooong deathbomb time. So i recomend you to start with the EoSD or PCB.

>>11059642
>IN is generaly considered the easiest

Reimu is the hardest boss in any game, how do I beat her?

DynaMarisa 3D, technically a danmaku game

>>11059656
Shit man, it's fucking Reimu.
You expect her to be easy or something?

>>11059667
She's easy as fuck. Have you ever donated to the Hakurei Shrine before?

>>11059674
Maybe...

To be honest, I expected her to be harder. She didn't give me too much trouble, except her last spellcard.

>>11059656
Marisa boss fight is harder than Reimu

And Ten Desires is by far the easiest game

>>11059656
>Reimu is the hardest boss in any game, how do I beat her?
Try playing SA on lunatic. By the time you get to Orin you will be able to capture every Reimu spellcard while being blindfolded.

>>11059635
Try double dealing character demo.

>>11059656
Marisa is so much harder. Unpredictability beats bullet density every time.

>>11059686
i agree. though the extra stage was rough.

I don't know which is easiest since all of them have hard parts, but I can tell you which one hardest. Shoot the bullet. I can even finish any stage 3 level. Don't even want to know what unholy abomination of code is implied in stage 6.

>>11059712
Shoot the Bullet goes up to stage 10 and has an EX stage past that.

>>11059688

I hope you're not implying that SA, the easiest Lunatic, is hard.

There's no such thing as a difficult Touhou game.

Memorizing maze-paths through bullets isn't a matter of difficulty. Skill is pragmatic. Skilled people make decisions - they don't recall past ones.

>>11059810
>Skilled people make decisions - they don't recall past ones.
You might have been right up until here.

>>11059797
How do you rate them? Acc SA lunatic took me longer than EoSD. I still die or bomb a lot on Orin even now.

MoF is a great starting game, it's not absurdly difficult nor facepalm easy and emphasizes the basics better than other Touhou game. There will be plenty of streaming, laneing, and dodging, but nothing to an abusive level. It also doesn't bulk down with the bullshit mechanics too badly. It is a bit more liberal with the bombing system, and often you can bomb through the levels, but bombing too often will punish you by sapping your power.
Trust me OP, I know what I'm talking about.

>>11059831

SA scales the little when difficulty increases, which is why normal is hard for beginners but the higher difficulty levels are easy for experts.

The consensus is that the hardest Lunatic Touhou game is UFO.

The easiest easy mode is IN by far. Would be TD but it's fucking ridiculous to get all of the extends possible, so you usually have at least two more lives to work with in IN. Third easiest would be MoF because you can bombspam your way through the game on easy with little trouble. As long as you can get through the final spell card losing two lives or less you're golden. EoSD and PCB use "rank", but you can manipulate it to keep it fairly low. SA's not too bad, but UFO is a mean son of a bitch on every difficulty. Whoever invented curving lasers deserves to be shot.

>>11059886

I thought only EoSD had a rank system. Are you sure about PCB having it?

>>11059635
A lot of people say IN is the easiest, but I have no idea why. Stage 4 is ridiculously difficult. Also, there's a part right at the end where all your lives and bombs get nullified and it lasts for a full 90 seconds where you have to move all over the screen and dodge some pretty confusing patterns.

My vote would probably go for PCB.

>>11059858
Gonna give a bit more elaboration on my perspective on these games for the newer crowd.

EoSD- Things tend to run pretty smoothly for most players until level 4 & 5, where both Patchy and Sakuya tend to have some funky danmaku that throws new players off. Typically takes practice for first normal 1cc.

PCB- Not terribly hard but Youmu and Yuyuko should be practiced before a 1cc attempt depending on you confidence in skill.

IN- Due to the extended bomb time this is often considered the "easiest" touhou, and maybe it is for newer players, but it still has a lot of difficult spellcards and a ton of gimmicks (familiar system, stage 5 boss, ect) As mentioned above, you may learn some bad habits that could haunt you. Watch out because Marisa is fucking crazy. Spell practice can help a lot.

MoF
See >>11059858 Great for first 1cc normal runs

SA
Considered pretty difficult in comparison to the other normal modes. Newer players often have to practice the fuck out of Orin and Okuu before attempting a normal 1cc run. Stages 3 & 4 can also be surprisingly difficult for newer players.

UFO
Like SA, this is a pretty difficult 1cc Normal for the new guys. Often Murasa and especially Shou will be happy to ruin your run. Practice Practice Practice.

FW
ishiggyduhwuh
Save this shitfest for another day

TD
Another good starting game, also comes primed with spell practice, (which you'll need to figure out Seiga's bullshit curved lasers). The spirit mechanic is a little bizarre but over time (or by watching replays) you'll find the best way to utilize it. Otherwise the boses difficult curves well and it was likely made as a introductory game. I still feel MoF is a little better as a good first 1cc on Normal but TD is not far behind.

If you have any questions, check out the touhou wiki for specific information of each games mechanics, and any specific questions ask the STG-General thread. Usually the cool bunch is around but sometimes the shitty crowd wallows in so beware.

>>11059712
I second this. STB is really hard, I can't get past any stage 3 level either. The hardest part is how sensitive Aya's movement is, she's way too fast for my liking.

>>11059929
You should be focusing almost all the time. Focus and charge if even that's too fast for you. Slowest movement in the game.

>>11059940
The problem with that is you need to be near the top of the screen to get the photos, but if you're focused or charging you can't move fast enough to get into the brief gaps, get the picture and then move back to a safer position. Or maybe I'm just shit. Or maybe it's both.

>>11059858
MoF first three stages are piss easy. But if you're only starting stg, stage 4 will rape you hard, for a very long time and make you want to quit.

>>11059922
>Watch out because Marisa is fucking crazy.

I'm quite bad in touhou games (at this moment, I 1cc'ed on Normal only PCB, IN, MoF and SA) so in my opinion the easiest one is MoF (it took me only 2 days; well, I managed to do IN within 2 days too but it's a different story), the only difficulty is the very last spell card. Like other guys said, IN has Marisa (I hate her so much), PCB has Youmu and Yuyuko, SA.... has Orin (well, it's difficult for me to say it this moment; I need to check Lunatic to be sure). I'm planning to to 10D next (still can't beat it 1cc; bad luck?)

>>11059959
It makes a lot of sense that you can't advance anywhere if you don't know how to zoom.

>>11060101
I do know how to zoom (although I didn't come to that realisation until I reached stage 3; I also didn't figure out the charge thing until stage 3 either, so it's a miracle I got that far), but you still have to be reasonably close to do that and need a good opening, even with the slowdown, since you can't move until you've taken the picture.

>>11059959
You charge far away from the boss, then maneuver using your three different speed settings as Aya to get to the boss and take a picture.

Actually, do you know about the deeper mechanics of Shoot the Bullet?

First thing which really surprises me how many people don't realize, if you hold down the shoot button you can zoom and move the camera, it shrinks the photo size considerably however, but if you're going for clears, getting the boss in the photo is all that matter.

Second thing some people don't realize, the amount of bullets in a photo affect how much charge you will have immediately after taking the photo. This is maximum 30% after a successful shot, but a maximum 60% if the shot doesn't contain the boss. This allows for the technique of defensive and stalling shots where you just take pictures of bullets if you can't get close enough to the boss or feel like you're going to get hit by a bullet.

Third thing a lot of people never realized. While in normal focus, if you move away from the boss, your camera starts targeting the boss and moves closer to the boss than it would normally.

>>11059994
One day, I'll capture Asteroid Belt. But not today.

I think the easiest game is LLS. I had more trouble to 1cc IN or TD than LLS. LLS is the only game i finished on normal on my first try though it helped that i knew about some gimmicks that Yuuka has, like those circles or sparks, before playing.

>>11059920
You do not lose a life if you get hit in that section, it's purely for additional score and doesn't affect survival runs.
But yes, Stage 4 is usually where the games decide to get serious.

Start with subterranean animism.

It will teach you a lot of interesting things, like how to dodge lasers and that not all spellcards just boil down to "Stand at the bottom of the screen while dodging horizontally". It's a bit harder than usual but it will reward you in the long run.

Also, best music. Also, a lot of best touhous, including Okuu.

>>11060180
You realize the entirety of SA until you get to Rin is pretty much "stand at the bottom of the screen and tap a direction".

>>11059688
I play SA lunatic a lot and I get my ass handed to me by Reimu whenever I visit her, hehe

>>11060183
What I meant is that you get more intresting patterns from the get go.
In stage one (talking about normal) you already have to deal with tracking bullets.

In stage two you have a bos that requires in different spellcards either to space and redirect bullets in the correct way, avoid pillars of static danmaku or to shoot the correct enemy.

Stage three requires you to start paying attention to fairies because they will kill you if you don't clean the screen in a consistent way. The boss uses a shitton of lasers of various kinds and tracking bullets, something a lot of new players tend to have problems with.

As usually the first 3 stages go, I'd say SA is pretty awesome.

>>11060180

Out of all the windows games, SA is the one where you spend the most time at the bottom.

>>11060191
-and that's not just because you get auto-collect when grazing bullets or use ReimuB.

Great Fairy Wars or maybe older games, namely The Story of Eastern Wonderland: got to ending credits on a first try with using continues.
I don't get why people call IN easy. It's really hard, I haven't managed to pass Stage 4 without dying repeatedly, and I usually expend all the bombs before death. I play on Normal, though, maybe on Lunatic it's easier than other games.

>>11059973
What an over exaggeration!

>>11059994
I mostly have the hang of it now. Now to work on her others.

>>11060274

IN constantly gets called easy because of the amount of resources you can get in the game (not to mention a huge amount of starting lives if you so wish), and extended death bomb timing, which are great for survival runs.

If you are interested in trying to capture cards however IN is a lot more difficult than the other games because the patterns themselves are not easy, especially since new players tend to go for Reimu and face the hardest stage 4 boss in the series. But for simply brute forcing through the game IN might be amongst the easiest, but bombing your way until you clear it is no fun at all, even for beginners, so I never recommend it as a starting game.

I think EoSD with the rank system might be a better choice for them, and the lack of hitbox will make players less dependent on it later on. Random bullets will teach them some good mechanics too, and a lot of the spellcards don`t require knowledge of streaming, which can be taxing for beginners.

DDC. You can get 20 extends by the end of stage 3.

>>11059635
IN

>>11060928
Die pedo scum!

>>11060962
Why are you calling me like that, she has clearly gone through puberty already.

Just look at the size of those Kappatits.

>>11060983

One of the best things HM did was to disprove that Nitori was healthy. Probably one of the worse things from fanon.

>>11061007
You shut your whore mouth

>>11061007
Then it did also prove that most girls have lewd legs and their skirts are very short.

>>11061015

That was know since the print works.

>>11061009

Secondary pls go home.

>>11061007
Do you even danmaku? If yes, then you should know that every girl is 100% flat loli. Right?

This thread sure has become filthy

>>11061099

That is also a shitty trend. Byakuren and Kanako are not lolis, this is proven by several works.

Secondary pls go home.

>>11061208
> this is proven by several works.
And disproven by several, so?

>Secondary pls go home.
Do it then.

>>11059712
Shoot the Bullet gets pretty absurdly difficult at some point. Truly a game worthy of Aya's grace.

>>11059712
I can't even get third photo of first Alice encounter. I only got second photo once.

>>11061651
Alice always seems to trip people up at that stage.

Nobody ever seems to bother strategizing that much in StB.

If you time your shots right, then you can beat 3-1 of StB with minimal bullet dodging.

Charge immediately when the scene starts, then when it hits 100% dive at Alice and take a picture as quickly as possible.

Charge again until you hit a 100%. If you did it right you should reach 100% before any bullets reach you. However do not take the shot immediately this time. Instead, wait a bit for the rune circle to appear and take your shot a bit after it disappears when Alice spawns a new set of dolls.

Charge again immediately, you will be able to get 100% with no trouble at all since Alice has no dolls up. Just take the shot immediately since Alice starts her second pattern after the third shot.

Charge immediately and simply hope for the best if you're not good at dodging bullets. Speed is the key for this.

If you manage to get the fourth shot then charge immediately and take the fifth shot as soon as possible, if you did the fourth shot quick enough then no bullets will bother you during the last shot.

Lotus Land Story is the easiest Touhou game.

>>11059635
I'd let her eat my cucumber if you catch my drift.

>>11059712
Double Spoiler is also very difficult. That one Satori spellcard is a fucking bitch. Fucking fuck you Satori, stop moving so I can take a fucking picture of you.

EoSD. Well, HRtP, but I'm assuming you don't wat to play the PC98 games.

>>11063139
EoSD is not the easiest in my opinion, but I recommend starting out with it.

>>11063115
Double spoiler is a lot easier. I cleared every EX spell in double spoiler, but I couldn't even unlock stage 10 in Shoot the Bullet.

>>11063115
What emotion is Aya trying to express here?
Shocked awkward embarrassment with arousal?

>>11064464

She thinks Satori is very very cute

>>11059635
That is a damn fine Nitori picture

where is the stg thread