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>Mokou and Kaguya are probably taoist.
huh

More like the taoists envy and want to be like them. The taoists pursued immortality (of the aging kind), but these are true immortals that are invincible in addition to being unaffected by age.

>>11003316
Yeah, but I can bet you they're also taoist. They were simply the chosen ones that cheated death when they tasted what immortality really was.

I bet watching them fight like the invincible force they are would be pretty cool, too.

they are not taoists nor playing any role.
Good and evil are human concepts made for humans, in any case they're both evil, but evil as a farmer would see a locust plague and not in the same way you'd call a person committing bad deeds.

At the end in the big game of life, the privilege of your actions mattering is only given to those whose existence is short and wimp enough for those actions to be relevant

>>11003344
Doesn't Mokou helps people, how would she be considered evil in any way

>>11003356
tell me how many people do you have to guide out of a forest to make up for hundreds of innocent deaths.

>>11003369
A whole lot but hey, she's got all the time in the world.
She probably does other goodguy stuff too.

>>11003369
she atoning for it, and you can't measure this kind of thing

>>11003344

There is no end to their game of life. Both fell victim to the ultimate sin by tasting the forbidden arcanum that wasn't supposed to be tasted by anyone, ever. The moment they did taste it, the universe and all the things it offers, all of the course of eternity opened up to them all at once. They are doomed to live through it all.

>>11003389
Couldn't they just go into stasis forever?

>>11003356

"Huhu. I just do it because stumbling across a lost villager's corpse would be even more troublesome for me."
Is what she'll probably say if someone asked her why she rescues lost people. It's not like she does it out of some righteous indignation like Keine.

>>11003396
She clearly cares to some extent, because she otherwise has absolutely no reason do it

>>11003403

I took it from CiaLR. She explicitly said she did it because she didn't want to come across some dead body. It's a pretty good reason, if you ask me.

>>11003396
Come off it, Kaguya. Mokou is the good guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZT8Xdes0Sg

>>11003401

You mean like getting along? Well, sure. Their feud will eventually die out, because they'll outlive everything. But they'll live for so long, that that peace will eventually die too, and the flames of hate will be reignited. It's a never-ending story with no clear end because it doesn't exist.

>>11003389
They're not alive, their lifes did end the moment hourai besmirched their bodies, in fact I doubt Kaguya ever had something resembling a human life to begin with.

Why nobody never mentions the moment from the books where Mokou tells Keine she's going to meet the god with the power to remove immortality some day?

What will happen to them when the planet, the universe, and so on ends?

>>11003443
>remove immortality
That's not how it works. Also, she said she'll go to Yatsugatake to apologize for Ihakasa's death.

They're Onmyouji, like Yukari and Ran

>>11003451
I don't think you understand just how long eternity is. They'll live for so long that they'll walk on Earth in everyone else's next life after they float around in space long enough to see the next big bang and the new universe forming.

>>11003451
Entropy laws have no place in Touhouverse, forget the black, dark box ending.

I wonder where Mokou learned her fire abilities? Maybe she made a pact with the Phoenix or something.

>>11003478
I know, but how could they exist without an universe? Well I guess that's kinda of a stupid question to make, but I wonder about it,

>>11003483
she looks like a sage. god, the wisdom she has must be amazing

>>11003436
No, I mean coming up with some fancy spell that puts them in some sort of suspended animation.
Not being able to die is one thing, but a dreamless sleep should be fine, right?

>>11003489
souls have no definite shape, so they can freely reconstruct their bodies in their resurrections. The universe will be just them for that short (or eternal?) period of time.

>>11003478

Nah, they'll achieve satori and float around the universe trying to redesign and fix bugs in LISP until prior immortal beings recursively recall them to contribute to the Big Great Lambda of Universe Creation, once the new universe is done they'll do it again and wait for the next gen of immortals.

>>11003505
You mean like the butterfly dream pill?
It depends if their bodies will react to it. I recall Mokou saying something about not it making any difference on her body at all whether or not if she eats, drinks, sleeps, or any other necessities. So it's unlikely. Kaguya's power of eternity might suspend them, though. I guess freezing them in one instant in time as all of eternity passes them by, never to wake up, is the closest thing to death they can experience since they're invincible.

>>11003531
Now explain how is there no immortals from the previous iteration of our universe.

>>11003490
If one were to wear that scarf too, would they inherit traces of immortality?

>>11003544
WHAT'S TAIL RECURSION, ANON? HAVE YOU READ YOUR FUCKING SICP TODAY?

I hate taoist people so fuking much.

So fucking much.

And all of you as well!

>>11003539
No, no drugs, magic. Drugs don't work on Hourai beings, last time I checked.

With Kaguya's eternity manipulating powers, it seems simple enough to craft a spell that can make em sleep forever.

>>11003552
Why, anon?

>>11003559

Well, yeah. I said that in my last thing.
There's no way to make sure, though, because it'll take forever (literally) to see if it works.

>>11003568
True enough.
In that case, though, we don't know if the Hourai Elixer works either, because it hasn't been forever yet.

>>11003572

Doesn't Eirin count, though? She's omnipotent, right?

>>11003575
Huh?

>>11003456
That god controls unchangeable phenomena and has damn broken powers, the possibility of removing immortality is there. Even if Mokou went just to apologize, she would get a deadly response for stealing the elixir that was going to offered to that god.

>>11003664

>possibility of removing immortality is there
That's not how it works. It wouldn't be called "invincibility" if there's any weakness that subdues it like kryptonite. Immortality is the same in this way.
Also, the elixir wasn't offered for princess Sakuya's older sister. They were supposed to burn it. Each post you submit shows me how little of it you really know.

Why the hell would Eirin even make such a monstrous elixer anyway?

>>11003741
A certain moon princess got bored.

>>11003720
Things can be invincible with conditions for invincibility.
Things can be immortal with conditions for the immortality.

There is no such thing as supreme invincibility, omniscience, immortality, or perfection. That you are incapable of understanding conditionals is a sign of your ineptitude. Your poor attempt at insult is merely projection of your own ignorance.

>>11003747
>Things can be invincible with conditions for invincibility. Things can be immortal with conditions for the immortality.
Only if you're using the "not able to die" definition of immortality (in which case a potion that granted immortality for a thousand years would make sense) and not the "never able to die" one.

>>11003743
Unforgivable regardless. She should have refused.

>>11003747
>There is no such thing as supreme invincibility, omniscience, immortality, or perfection.
First off, this is fiction, so that doesn't matter. Second, that was a very bold statement, even if you're talking about reality. I could easily say time is eternal and supremely invincible and perfect. I could say the same thing about space. That makes pretty much the entire universe. I think you're the one ignorant here.

>>11003759
"Never able to die." - It was explicitly stated by word of god and declared Mokou herself in all of the Xtra stage scenarios and in CiaLR, as well as the PMiSS. Kaguya implicitly said it by saying she's an eternal being. I think it's fair to say it's unconditional, don't you?

>>11003799
Don't be silly. Of course Eirin can't deny anything from her wife.

>>11003741

Because she can.

On a more serious note, I think it was because she honestly believed that Kaguya wouldn't drink it. Kaguya, though, being Kaguya, was selfish and curious enough to do it. I bet it surprised Eirin.

>>11003817
Nonsense. Refusing your master when she's giving you a very ill-advised command is part of being a truly good servant. And even besides that, isn't Eirin Kaguya's guardian?

>>11003839
The genius of the moon is a fool. What a surprise.

>>11003747
first law of thermodynamics states otherwise

>>11003741
stay away from it as far as you possibly can. "monstrous" doesn't even begin to describe it. Just think, all of the horrors you'll be forced to witness and experience if you taste it. Will you take that red pill and push yourself down the bottomless rabbit hole?

>>11003741
Cause she is kind of a dick

>>11003887

"Long ago, Eirin was one of a party of messengers who were sent to bring Kaguya back to the moon; the crime for which she was exiled to Earth had been forgiven. For some reason, she helped Kaguya kill all the other messengers instead. To ensure that the earthlings who lived with Kaguya to remain silent, she bribed them with the Hourai Elixir. The elixir had the power to make people immortal. None of those earthlings consumed the elixir, however, and died shortly after. It was later discovered that they were murdered." - TouhouWiki

"Lady Yagokoro advised us to kill him right away, but that seemed like going too far." Of course, the fact that I'd looked after him so long made it difficult to kill him. My sister was the same, so she didn't want to kill him either." - Cage in a Lunatic Runagate

Eirin has had her murderous way with more innocent people than the fandom seems to let on to. So I decided to draw my interpretation of what went on 1,000 years before the events of the game Imperishable Night. I find it interesting that none of the people you face in the games end up getting killed for their actions (I suppose danmaku-play is a pretty safe game). Unless Im mistaken, Eirin is the only character to have ever murdered someone within Touhou, and she's done it quite a bit. ZUN was certainly poking around irony when he decided to make her a nurse.

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>>11003919
>Unless I'm mistaken, Eirin is the only character to have ever murdered someone within Touhou, and she's done it quite a bit.
Mokou has. It's kind of a big deal. Yuyuko also.

>ZUN was certainly poking around irony when he decided to make her a nurse.
Technically she is a pharmacist.

>>11003853
Anon, you can fully use thermodynamics only for closed isolated systems, universe is way too wast for that matter, that heat death of the universe thingy is just a theory one of the many many others.

>>11003957

Carefull, you're venturing too close to Russel's teapot fallacy. Are you prepared to bear the burden of proof for those declarations?

>>11004010
what declarations?

>>11004018

He's implying that the first law doesn't work on closed isolated systems. Whether it's an open or closed one, all evidence points that matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed.

I don't know why he's going on about heat death, though. I don't think that heat death is the ultimate fate, though. I think it's closer along the lines of a series of big crunches and big bangs that follow after.

>>11004028
Heat death is ( suggested ) state for the universe acording to the 2nd law of thermodymanics. If the 1st law is true for the universe so is the 2nd one.
If the energy/matter trully cannot be created or destroyed under any phenomenum or conditions then from where enery/matter for the Big Bang came from in the first place?

Someone told me that they almost exist as separate universes unto themselves, with the unalterable law being "shall not die". Wouldn't that mean that, since Touhou seems to adhere to Buddhist cosmology, that they'd survive the death of this cycle of reality and live through to the next, and so on and so forth?

>>11003841
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Eirin_Yagokoro
"In Chinese mythology, Houyi was a god of archery banished from heaven (Eirin's equivalent). He was married to Chang'e, Kaguya's Chinese equivalent."

>>11004145
Ok, so?

>>11004208
Your yuri goggles are not on tight enough.

>>11004208
He answered the question, Steve.